mircea_popescu: ashley feinberg over at bankrupter rubbing her dry snatch raw over some bizarro fantasy where "trump quits after he wins".
Bugpowder: Trump statements speak to the core of the GOP.
mircea_popescu: dude's about ten times more likely to win and send her to a work camp.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder more like, to the core of the 83% ish white unemployed hopeless us populace.
Bugpowder: yeah, thats the core of the GOP
mircea_popescu: the poor didn't get enough from obama. the socialists are getting trashed.
Bugpowder: Not the intellectual leaders.
Bugpowder: Not the Romneys
Bugpowder: but the core voters
mircea_popescu: i am the only intellectual leader of the united states.
mircea_popescu: it seriously is THAT empty.
Bugpowder: Aren’t u in Argentina now
mircea_popescu: yeah. but that doesn't change the fact the ~only intellectual in the entire north of the continent is that old jew talking to himself in a room.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo imagine, if all the various "intellectual leaders" on the basis of the accomplishment of having been so epithet'd by the "opinion formers" of the atlantic & gawker end up having to work 12 hours a day building a wall in arizona.
mircea_popescu: bucket and trowel in hand, on a steady diet of worm castles.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder see, that's the problem : if the aspie 14% ended up in south western version of auschwitz, with 3% survival rates, ~nobody with a us passport would as much as raise an eyebrow.
mircea_popescu: they only care about themselves. if you get all of them in the camps, there's absolutely nobody left that'd even fucking notice.
ascii_deadfiber: ty mircea_popescu. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486691 << apparently most of the samples have demented exponent
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 03:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486654 << the "Submissions: 3182582 Known Moduli: 2657917" part is pretty cool though. what's total damage going to be, from 20 to 56 mn or somesuch ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ikr
ascii_deadfiber: (why? ask them, not me...)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: fanfic all the way down at the bankrupter
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber gotta structure the braindamaged page somehow i guess. the wunderbar reality, always surprising.
ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486702 << this is where i ???. what exactly have they lost? check out, they sent crate of printolade, pumped air right back into ethercrud, etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 03:41 mircea_popescu: and losing more men than they can replace.
ascii_deadfiber: process can repeat ad infinitum
mircea_popescu: no natural process can repeat ad infinitum.
mircea_popescu: o look, meanwhile paul ryan is actually quitting ?
ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486706 << clitler is the anointed muppet. as in, will be propped up with diebold voting machines if necessary.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 03:53 mircea_popescu: sooo... clinton's trove of emails actually proves the us & nato deliberately destroyed lybia. you still think she's got a chance alf ?
mircea_popescu: so was gavin. what did that do ?
ascii_deadfiber: and who is going to do what about it.
ascii_deadfiber: gavin is still on his throne.
mircea_popescu: lol. sure, sure. let it play out then, what can i tell you.
ascii_deadfiber: in related lulz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/06/negative-interest-rates-are-coming-to.html
ascii_deadfiber: '...when your civilization is collapsing, civilized people become a liability. It may not even be just a question of culture or society; it may be a question of breeding. Just as you can breed hunting dogs to specifically disable certain instinctive behaviors—pointers don't attack the prey but stupidly stand there pointing; retrievers stupidly carry the prey back instead of eating it on the spot—you can also breed a race
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone's disputing the average college graduate is useless to everyone and a burden to himself.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o look, meanwhile paul ryan is actually quitting ? << Indeterminate, but as I suggested "backup GOP"
mircea_popescu: he wants to run about as much as hilary.
mircea_popescu: must suck to be so out of people, seriously now. can't behead the da, notwithstanding corruption debacle, because well... can't find anyone that could sign his name in his stead, and the indians aren't shipping any more replacements. can't this, can't that...
BingoBoingo: But seriously the GOP collapse is more lulz than I imagined
mircea_popescu: now they're whining about how "an independent run about non-trump ''conservatives''' would be ''devastating''". what fucking conservatives ? moreover, weren't they NOT whining about the actual disaster of trump running without them, winning and then that's that for the gop ?
ascii_deadfiber: i dun see the 'winning.' the man is the american zhirinovsky - crafted heat sink for excitable 'red state' folk.
ascii_deadfiber: designated loss monkey.
gernika: Gore was a loss monkey.
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's usually the designated loss monkey that wins and then beheads everyone who ever dreamed of "designating"
ascii_deadfiber: robot gore!11111
ascii_deadfiber: 'i was there, i did it.' -- gore, '9/11'
mircea_popescu: gernika designated being the key word here. like you know, elaine's moment when she realises that if she claims her rapist is her boyfriend, she's no longer the office skank but just a woman in love.
mircea_popescu recalls with some amusement the certain certainness of various derps, "professional" as well as amateur, ritously explaining how trump won't get the nomination.
mircea_popescu: "o no guise, we were all in on it, it's been all a farce all along!1111!"
gernika: ascii_deadfiber: if Trump is a loss monkey, why risk assassination for it? Seems not worth it.
mircea_popescu: what, he got whacked ? when ?
BingoBoingo: There was an attempt on him this past weekend
gernika: attempted by a brit last week or so, in Nevada. grabbed a cop's gun
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber wouldn't that be the best of all possible words, he's actually dead and has been for weeks. like that chinese emperor.
ascii_deadfiber: if he doesn't play the script, won't live long, this is quite obvious
gernika: This was after a solid week of "Trump is racist" headlines for the Curiel thing.
BingoBoingo: didn't make it past trying to take cop's gun though
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber make some falsifiable prediction and attach an "i will forever renounce my heretic views about the usg mattering in any sense" to it already.
mircea_popescu: this is getting painful to watch.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gernika guy wasn't even in the room or anything was he ?
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu: prediction: '8 moar yearz of obummer'
BingoBoingo: not in a meaningful way
ascii_deadfiber: regardless of which actor is used
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber how is this falsifiable ?
mircea_popescu: plox to compile the whole code not just 2/3ds of it
ascii_deadfiber: will have to come back to this.
trinque: trump isn't smart enough to be a part of some vast lizard conspiracy.
mircea_popescu: in other political news, the party that i quit in 2010 ( http://trilema.com/2010/ajunge/ etc) has meanwhile dropped from the leading-coallition position to ~not winning anything in the local elections today.
mircea_popescu: only took them ~half the time to lose everything that it took to build.
trinque: he's just some overgrown cheeto that got "rich" riding the froth of fiat currency, and he's going to talk in circles while we fall apart, to great applause
mircea_popescu: trinque the important narrative here, very much in the achilean vein, is that BECAUSE he isn't "sophisticated" which really means corrupted, ie "civilised" enough THEREFORE he can't win.
trinque: meanwhile hillary might piss off russia enough to do something interesting; who knows
mircea_popescu: whereas exactly the opposite is actually true
mircea_popescu: that he doesn't have clinton's alleged advaqntages (to quote the baffler derp, "hyper prepared") is such a large advantage nothing ELSE the woman can do matters.
trinque: yeah I think he can win
trinque: there were a few 10s of thousands of people around his rally a mile from here
trinque: he's bringing out the old, fat, sad fucks that liked reagan, and their kids
mircea_popescu: and this is the point : they keep pushing the "debate" to bury this point. usg wants people to actually believe "civilisation is good for you ; and please don't look at how EVERY SINGLE TIME the barbarian rapes the colon"
mircea_popescu: this is such a bad plan...
mircea_popescu: anyway, young country, no political experience, no culture, no history, no nation, no language, no nothing. curse of youth is to be stupid in this way.
trinque: yeah. he's no warlord; he's just the plastic toy version the US squeezed out before dying
trinque: people think he's notable because he almost says fuck
mircea_popescu: well where are you gonna find a warlord.
gernika: I kind of like him because the absolute rage he inspires in my fellow bay areans.
mircea_popescu: does he ?
a111: Logged on 2016-02-17 21:13 asciilifeform: afaik all literate folk know about, e.g., the auschwitz inmates who collected scraps of german uniforms, etc.
trinque: he's a sort of totem
gernika: Brought him up in a hot tub full of middle aged women at a Best Western. Suddenly: silence.
mircea_popescu: what were you doing in that soup ?
gernika: allowing the kid to wear herself out in the pool
Bugpowder: I used to like him… I thought he was a sort of genius. But now I really have come around to the idea that he just a real estate developer/scam artist playing the same con on politicians/citizens now.
mircea_popescu: o wait, they do this "share hot tub with random people" thing now don't they
BingoBoingo: Yeah, its a thing here
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder in honesty, he seems a lot more adequate to the spirit, needs and aspirations of the place than anyone else since, perhaps, kennedy. he is EXACTLY the "fake it" bullshitter americans have become. and his "figures" are exactly the "engagement numbers" of "online businesses".
Bugpowder: He does get people pumped
mircea_popescu: rarely has there been a more truthfully representative politician seen in any democratic race. worldwide, historically.
pete_dushenski: o man, deedbot's on e
pete_dushenski: wd trinque
Bugpowder: I kinda want him to just come in and kick ass… but I don’t think he is capable of following thru
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski word.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder well, he'll kick some ass, then go invade russia and that'll be that.
mircea_popescu: it's how this stuff usually works
trinque: pete_dushenski: ty
gernika: mircea_popescu: interesting I thought he was the one that would pull out of the ongoing invasion...
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 04:07 mircea_popescu: no natural process can repeat ad infinitum.
trinque: perhaps one of the cartels will kill him if he stays on the "build a wall, mexico pays" train
Bugpowder: Well we will have the Trump News Network launching in 2017
Bugpowder: if he loses
mircea_popescu: gernika i meant it metaphorically. it's the dumb idea that broke hitler.
Bugpowder: The Apprentice: White House Edition if he wins
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski eventually you die.
Bugpowder: The problem with America is that everyone thinks that if you are a billionare you are a fucking genius
Bugpowder: “A” problem
trinque: he's got less than his daddy gave him
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: dreamer doesn't know this ?
mircea_popescu: not so. i actually am one, they don't think i'm a genius. trump .... isn't, let's put it mildly.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski well, knowledge dun enter much into it, does it.
mircea_popescu: trinque actually from what i hear he's crazy popular with the insurgent & revolutionary non-governments of mexico.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sure it does. subjective dreamer sees 'ad infinitum', third-party observer sees dreamdreamdreamdead.
mircea_popescu: he's just impopular with the #niunamenos middleaged concern trolls with govt job aspirations throughout the south.
trinque: hm interesting
mircea_popescu: you should see how butthurt the ar wanna-be "intellectual leaders" are at him lol.
trinque: see, this is why people who usually wouldn't pay attention to someone that inarticulate are on some level tempted to indulge, at least here
trinque: like gernika says, those types loathe him, so he's at least an epic lulzmine
mircea_popescu: honestly i kinda like his hairdo.
gernika: trinque: it's not just the libtards that loathe him. I think the libertarians as well, and they might hate him more.
mircea_popescu: would be epic if he won and it became fashionable and so every faggot with a "fashion sense" in california ended up wearing the toup.
mircea_popescu: gernika you mean palin-libertarians or which ?
BingoBoingo: This is the great tragedy of BitBet dying when it did
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe not so tragic. the debate's all the more heated for lack of a means to quench it :D
gernika: mircea_popescu: Well, any libertarian who believes in a borderless society
mircea_popescu: gernika what, you mean for everyone ? socialist-libertarian ?
gernika: mircea_popescu: I hadn't considered the socialist angle there
mircea_popescu: but there is in fact an externality here. either "you" can go only some places, and "he" can go only some places ; or else "you" can go anywhere, but he can't. there isn't a way where everyone can go anywhere.
trinque: once there's payment stuff in deedbot someone should do a betbot
mircea_popescu: this notion of "liberty means i can do anything i want and mom will mop up the jizz when i'm done" really depends on you know, the mom in question being present.
mircea_popescu: iguess we could call them infantilist-etatist-libertarians if "socialism" is too broad for the notion.
mircea_popescu: trinque seems likely ya
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, the guy is right. ideally, the guy literally sets phil plait, his family, matthew inman, his partner or whatever, and everyone else of the ilk on fire.
BingoBoingo: Right and all that's going to happen between now and January is more wish pieces about the future not happening
mircea_popescu: i meant it above, take the whole aspirational 14%, that's about 50 to 70 mn citizens, from everyone who ever wrote for gawker to everyone who ever worked in washington, set them somewhere in the desert, put barbed wire all around them, and work them to death.
mircea_popescu: painting the sand ochre or w/e.
mircea_popescu: buildiong a wall, what diff does it make. just as long as they die in 6 to 9 months.
pete_dushenski: ... sand.
pete_dushenski: speaking of ancient greece : http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonianmag/archaeologists-uncover-massive-naval-bases-ancient-athenians-180959452/
BingoBoingo: Needs to happen, but just the wonder of all the lulz along the ride there
trinque to regeneration pod
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seems dubious this guy got the stones, but anyway. their fear is not unjustified. as you say - gotta happen.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I predict many more months of "Where's Ashton Kutcher to tell us it was a joke?"
felipelalli: hi guys! An acquainted of mine is asking me if there are some trustful exchange to withdraw USD directly. He doesn't trust Bitfinex anymore. Any recommendation? There are any exchange with a good WoT? I'm sorry if this is already on logs. Thank you!
mircea_popescu: nah it's gonna be that unfunny faggot, what's his name. oliver something or the other.
pete_dushenski: isn't ak 'in bitcoin' but not in wot ?
mircea_popescu: felipelalli no such thing exists afaik.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: nah, because Ashton Kutcher had a how all about people getting punked like this.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: twist. the british one.
felipelalli: Twix ?
mircea_popescu: lemme fish him out im pretty sure i pissed on his face at some point
pete_dushenski: you definitely did
pete_dushenski: cancer something
mircea_popescu: john oliver
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/09/you-know-what-doesnt-wash-your-pathetic-attempts-to-teach-the-controversy-thats-what/ << also
pete_dushenski: o man i can just remember how mad i was when i wrote that. good times.
pete_dushenski: 'Quintus Arrius: Your eyes are full of hate, forty-one. That's good.'
pete_dushenski: (ben hur) (tm) (r)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency cad
gribble: Bitstamp BTCCAD last: 841.613904, vol: 28514.49288228 | BTC-E BTCCAD last: 822.7872, vol: 15573.89184 | CampBX BTCCAD last: 768.972816, vol: 6.07767 | BTCChina BTCCAD last: 850.423162, vol: 81459.03300000 | Kraken BTCCAD last: 846.02, vol: 391.52278659 | Volume-weighted last average: 844.993729506
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 657.03, vol: 28453.79807083 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 641.842, vol: 15567.8074 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 662.4, vol: 102102.5200027 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.01, vol: 6.07767 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 665.059213, vol: 81454.27100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 659.0, vol: 7266.86839237 | Volume-weighted last average: 661.20212666
pete_dushenski: cad was 4 figs last week
mircea_popescu: oh in other lulz : guy ran the numbers, discovered that miss america claims to spend 50mn a year ; actually spends 500k a year in scholarships for wiminz.
mircea_popescu: another "billionaire" item. fuck, average us expat spends more than that on hookers, be it in thailand or costa rica or whatever.
mircea_popescu: and at least the hookers actually deliver, as opposed to that dummy "bitcoin chamber of derpitude" what's her face.
BingoBoingo: Micheal Jackson spent more than that on Child Porn apparently
BingoBoingo: AHA, ms boring
mircea_popescu: anyway, negative interest rates for fiats, such delicious cake. bring it!
pete_dushenski: http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/6581.html#comment-43478 << ha. smacking the daoethtards with godel. no reply to vlade's comment, because what's to say ? "i still have faith" ?
pete_dushenski: in other usg news, "Trump campaign expenses in May, per FEC report: Hats: $208k. Online advertising: $115k. Data management: $48k. Communications consulting: $38k"
mircea_popescu: top hats ?
pete_dushenski: the ones you thought could no longer be made!
pete_dushenski: special velvet or what was it ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the relationship with bitcoin is entirely spurious.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, actually cultivated people said this exact thing about the constantly re-heated ripple-ether-etc soup with "smart bullshit". but hey, who wants to read when there's all this daydreaming to do.
pete_dushenski: 'creative professionals' have 'original ideas' and things.
mircea_popescu: said this exact thing in 2012-2013, i mean. like http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski yeah, exactly. the ONE THING the chitlins loathe like lye to the eyes is having to slave under actual men and in the process actually mature
mircea_popescu: nah, better play with the dollies s'more!
pete_dushenski: dollies, other boy's bumholes, own bumholes, video games, dronez... all more 'fun' than being 'slave' as understood from social studies textbook
pete_dushenski: kidz who 'don't want to work for man' go to yukon for 'morell rush' to 'make $1k per day with no boss' while getting raped for accommodations, transportation, and by blood-sucking skeeters. such deserving win.
pete_dushenski: morelltards would know it's a scam but... can't read books, much less o say contravex : http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/16/gold-rush/
pete_dushenski: and yet 'literacy is at an all time high'. aha.
mircea_popescu: wonder of wonders, check this tardstalk poster out :
mircea_popescu: "Eth is the LEAST aggregate market I've ever seen, which is why I never recommend people to short it. The price is controlled by one single guy who runs the bots on Bologniex tied to either the Ethereum developers themselves, or some entity like Goldman Sachs. Ever since Bitcoin started to rise, I watched them absorb something like 5000-10,000 BTC in Eth dumps on Poloniex just trying to prop the price up and prevent it from
mircea_popescu: The DOA event caused a dumpocalypse on them forcing them to absorb even more losses. This single entity that controls the ETh price is underwater as fuck now and probably desperate to rid himself of some of those scamtokens. I have a feeling the only reason it made it that high of value in the first place is the Eth devs themselves sent a bunch of Eth to Poloniex, then used those coins for collateral to margin long it to th
mircea_popescu: e moon while liquidating shoters. Dan Larimer actually talked about attempting doing that himself once in the past when BTS was in the dumpster but he chickened out. Him and Vitalik have been speaking a bit these days and maybe he gave Vitalik the idea."
mircea_popescu: if anyone still has an account do me a favour invite "r0ach" over.
mircea_popescu: not only is he actually getting the facts right, but his numbers are almost accurate. pretty impressive.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the lulz has cost usg more turkey dollars than mit has cost usg this year. that's an accomplishment right there, they could have made ten thousand hookers and fifty thousand "aides" happy for that money. this means 10k angry hookers and 50k passive-agressive pencildicks extra to deal with.
mircea_popescu: anyone recalls the case of the famous mr nick leeson, the man who put an end to barings bank after two centuries of successful operation through the exact same process ? doubling down on being on the wrong side of the market and then earthquake striking japan ?
mircea_popescu: $up _FeltPen
deedbot: _FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell Bugpowder you ever start up that dream lab?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: $up ascii_deadfiber
ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486876 << as late as 18th c. there was 'everybody goes wherever', no ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 04:51 mircea_popescu: but there is in fact an externality here. either "you" can go only some places, and "he" can go only some places ; or else "you" can go anywhere, but he can't. there isn't a way where everyone can go anywhere.
ascii_deadfiber: (anybody who has what to eat there, just as now)
ascii_deadfiber: shanghai was an uncontrolled port even in 1940s.
thestringpuller: okay so dao is getting attacked again
thestringpuller: the white hats drained the original dao and "proclaimed it safe"
ascii_deadfiber: brown hats.
thestringpuller: well the attacker went in and started attacking the "safe child dao"
thestringpuller: so likelihood this guy has spies among the ethereum leadership
thestringpuller: am I seriously living neuromancer?
ascii_deadfiber: nah if we were in neuromancer, the idiots' skulls would pop when we own them and that would be it
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mod6: 06/22/16 04:37:41 height=267979 << slowly but surely
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486924 << apparently cocaine is now called 'hat'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 05:49 pete_dushenski: in other usg news, "Trump campaign expenses in May, per FEC report: Hats: $208k. Online advertising: $115k. Data management: $48k. Communications consulting: $38k"
thestringpuller: ascii_deadfiber: would pop when we own them << that is true. one of us would also be addicted to some techno drug. don't that have "intellect enhancer" in neuromancer too?
BingoBoingo: Fermentation was the original technology!
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 06:07 mircea_popescu: anyway. the lulz has cost usg more turkey dollars than mit has cost usg this year. that's an accomplishment right there, they could have made ten thousand hookers and fifty thousand "aides" happy for that money. this means 10k angry hookers and 50k passive-agressive pencildicks extra to deal with.
ascii_deadfiber: and it isn't as if usg BUYS btc anyway
ascii_deadfiber: it steals (via everything from 'coke machine' to nsa-produced virii etc.)
ascii_deadfiber: granted when they lose coinz, said coinz are no longer available for the waterfall. at least temporarily.
ascii_deadfiber: (until they steal'em back)
thestringpuller: the waterfall is exploding
BingoBoingo: $up ascii_deadfiber
thestringpuller: ascii_deadfiber: Attacker can bleed Ethereum completely out.
thestringpuller: He has full control of what they do at this point, cause he's smarter than the creator.
thestringpuller: ;;calc ( 0.022 - 0.019 ) / 0.022
ascii_deadfiber: the one thing i don't quite get is why drain it to 1 or 2 addrs
ascii_deadfiber: when you can do maxint addrs
ascii_deadfiber: and force the derps to have a blacklist weighing a GB, in their idiot fork
thestringpuller: ascii_deadfiber: that's the plan, or at least what the alleged plan is.
thestringpuller: they have like 30 different "attack contracts" ready to deploy against the dao (again allegedly)
ascii_deadfiber: i thought it was gone ?
thestringpuller: i think that's why they released the free "drain some eth" on a pastebin. but no one bit at it. basically if the attacker is able to entice more blackhats to start attacking the various daos into other child daos making it more difficult to hard fork.
thestringpuller: the original dao is drained. but the attacker split into the whitehat child dao, so he can now start attacking
thestringpuller: fuck i can't up you
thestringpuller: $up ascii_deadfiber
deedbot: thestringpuller may not $up ascii_deadfiber
jurov: lol one extra space goes a long way
jurov: $up (ascii_deadfiber
jurov: phf ^^
jurov: ascii_deadfiber: just usual lisp disease, homebrewn tokenization
ascii_deadfiber: i would have guessed that he used reader macro
ascii_deadfiber: but go figure.
shinohai: "If you are the hacker, then all I can say is we are coming for you. There are many plans in place to attack the child daos and either block the funds or recover them."
jurov: $b 2
shinohai: Someone likes pouring money into the dao, back up 30.15 %
thestringpuller: it is corewars. and the attacker is winning.
thestringpuller: ethereum price is now whether you think the hacker will win or buterin will win
thestringpuller: ;;calc 1000000 / 3631
mircea_popescu: $up jaumenuez
deedbot: jaumenuez voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber isn't teh butthurt lulzy to watch tho ?
mircea_popescu: $arriba ascii_deadfiber
mircea_popescu: damn the language support for this thing is apalingly poor!
ascii_deadfiber: ty mircea_popescu. which butthurt in particular? i've not been taking in the shithose wholesale
mircea_popescu: "oh we are coming for you bla bla"
ascii_deadfiber: if folks want to play 'corewars', why not
ascii_deadfiber: they might even learn something.
mircea_popescu: there's no "corewars" per se. there's the bloodied remains of the imperial hopes and aspirations. the problem with this empire being that it's not unified under a strong crown, but run around blindly by a crowd of decerbrated bureaucrats.
mircea_popescu: consequently, the troop that got fucked (mit) is in favour of "defend this perimeter at all costs!111" attitude. whereas the rest of them (ie, cornell, stanford, etc etc) are more of a "this perimeter is not defensible, retreat and create a new one".
mircea_popescu: there's obviously no stable solution for this problem, inasmuch as it's the nonsensical issues of a bunch of parochical derps. nevertheless, i wouldn't properly call it "corewars" either, there's no core involved. periphery wars ?
ascii_deadfiber: i expect a shift of resources back to the 'corrode bitcoin' stratagem, vs the 'pump shitcoin'
ascii_deadfiber: ultimately a dead or crippled bitcoin is the only hope the shitstains have.
mircea_popescu: well, that or coldfusion trademarked by god.
ascii_deadfiber: 'trademarked by god' ?
ascii_deadfiber: meaning, somehow available to usg only ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, perhaps a most interesting datapoint to help foreign mind comprehend local bovinity.
mircea_popescu: so, the architecture design and practically & indumentaria (which is how you say "dumb etsy shit" in spanish) is one of the largest and most populous colleges in this 10-20mn strong town. this, obviously, because the stupid girlies "must get a degree" and they're not going to go into law, too much reading.
mircea_popescu: there were elections for the student representative body recently, and an entity called "FADU SUR" whatever trhe shit that is "won them", with a shattering 45%. this means many many tens of thousands of votes.
ascii_deadfiber: we have this here, they major in 'government & politics'
mircea_popescu: these are the people with the "a pili la indigna la pobreza" bullshit that i mocked. more importantly, they also have a twitter handle, which they promote insistently.
ascii_deadfiber: (obligatory bovinity: http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/39/main/2/13982.jpg )
mircea_popescu: a total of ~500 people FOLLOW it, which brings us home :
mircea_popescu: out of an estimated 30 to 40k twentysomethings THAT VOTED for this entity, a little over 1% BOTHERED TO FOLLOW IT ON TWITTER. notwithstanding that ALL THEY EVER DO is fuck around on their phones.
mircea_popescu: this, as the foreign women stuck helping me out here readily confirm, is just about representative of the derpitude of the local mind.
mircea_popescu: it just dun work.
ascii_deadfiber: why would they add a derpy politico on twatter ?
ascii_deadfiber: most folks don't add their electric and gas co either
mircea_popescu: because they voted for it ?
mircea_popescu: it takes one fucking click to add it. it takes actual walking and QUEUING to vote. it's two hours.
ascii_deadfiber: they had selection of N idiots to vote for, doesn't mean they want to read their spew ?
mircea_popescu: which is the point here : they're not people. they're a herd.
ascii_deadfiber: solely from this description, i have actually more respect for these folk than for the americans, who obsess over their muppets
ascii_deadfiber: and buy the 'books' which they 'wrote'
ascii_deadfiber: 'spoodje of my father' or whatnot.
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487034 << both options will result in heavy casualties. i think this is what the attacker wants. Everytime he makes a move on the chess board the price hits massive volatility. Now the bulls are emotional and pumping the price like back in early 2013 when MtGox became a victim of its own success and you warned everyone to stop buying.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 16:00 mircea_popescu: consequently, the troop that got fucked (mit) is in favour of "defend this perimeter at all costs!111" attitude. whereas the rest of them (ie, cornell, stanford, etc etc) are more of a "this perimeter is not defensible, retreat and create a new one".
mircea_popescu: but why ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller history is not a thing, they got social sciences to make it all right!
thestringpuller: All the attacker has to do is take a very fine pin and pop the balloon at any time.
thestringpuller: There will be a lot of butthurt during the halvening. The halvening may also mark the destruction Buterin's waterfall (in this incarnation).
a111: Logged on 2016-03-28 15:41 asciilifeform: y'know, as a boy, i was playing with other boyz in the yard and mentioned съезд кпсс , and they laughed. i learned lesson - for life.
mircea_popescu: well, so far they have enough trouble trying to track bitcoin.
jurov: i should be very careful when joking next time... http://www.exusiae.com/shared/agree.txt.asc
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber so between a misbehaving slavegirl and an idiot slavegirl your preference's for the idiot ?
mircea_popescu: jurov there's no such thing as a joke omg!
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu: i dun see this layout here
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber well, the muricans are behaving stupidly, yes, but at least there's some relation, however contorted out of shape, between ear and head.
mircea_popescu: argentines are entirely unrelated, there is NO relation between what they hear/say and what they do.
ben_vulpes: $key jurov
ascii_deadfiber: jurov: i find it at least as sinful to ~eat~ an 'i agree, signed - X' as to ~shit~ it.
mircea_popescu: they can't even signal turns. NOT for any other reason than THIS. they have no relation between action and representation whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber i was thinking about this too. so now we're going to saddle him with protecting the idiots. what is this, minidao ?
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu would be delighted to learn that americans (at least around here) also aren't especially fond of signalling turns.
ascii_deadfiber: iirc maryland state road law doesn't even require it, other than on federal highway
ben_vulpes: i have removed side view mirrors for that offense.
ben_vulpes: my local-as-in-my-ten-foot-bubble requires it.
mircea_popescu: well, this is the true problem of political decay : society decays too, and in this precise manner. what used to be an ideologically-mediated disconnect between action and representation ("if you see a fire don't jump into it, call the FD, it's better that way) becomes a fully separated disconnect, mediated by nothing.
ascii_deadfiber: if ben_vulpes smashes mirrors in view of md police, he will end up paying.
ben_vulpes: portland police too! imagine that.
mircea_popescu: he pays and then smashes their mirrors also!
ben_vulpes: https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/4oeg4s/what_the_hell_is_going_on_in_the_colombia_river/ << local cops too busy with Pirate Island
ben_vulpes: $up ascii_deadfiber
mircea_popescu: we going to do an indiegogo buy him some internets ?
ben_vulpes: el pobre
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltVQ7veLzNU << entirely unrelatedly, i want to know how this 3d was done
ascii_deadfiber 's hovel came with a large 2-horn dish. considered connecting it, subscribing to something
ascii_deadfiber: also a smaller rx dish, nfi for what
ascii_deadfiber: another ru fella used to live here.
ascii_deadfiber: as it is, i'm sitting on the gsm modem fallback.
ascii_deadfiber: (would buy something else, but i am not giving a penny to shitcast ever again)
mircea_popescu: it's just fun to pick on you :D
ascii_deadfiber: i'd bridge the 2 lans and avoid the ascii_misc_rubbish gymnastics but will need mechanism to switch off zoolag so as not to exhaust the gsm bw quota
ascii_deadfiber: and can't be arsed thus far
mircea_popescu: maybe tomorrow municipality decides there's too many people and you have to share living quarters, like the NY derps occasionally decide people gotta share cabs.
mircea_popescu: heck, it's how everyone did in the 50s
ascii_deadfiber: incidentally, when i lived in uni dorm the net pipe rocked and never failed.
ascii_deadfiber: so kolhoz has upside!1111
mircea_popescu: everything has an upside.
ascii_deadfiber: (heat in the winter, water, toilets, etc. - failed. net - never.)
diana_coman: ascii_deadfiber> (heat in the winter, water, toilets, etc. - failed. net - never.) <- same in my uni dorms for the very simple reason that the network was made and maintained by us, students living there
ascii_deadfiber: net pipe situation in usa is astonishing. when i was at $rupturefarm... this was a 'beltway bandit', usg contracting shop with princely budget, building had gilded doorknobs and other nonsense, but net was 'comcast' gas modem.
ascii_deadfiber: which coughed, sputtered regularly
mircea_popescu: the many republics before the republic. they all worked.
ascii_deadfiber: folks went over to coffee shops to teleconference with clients, etc.
diana_coman: we even lived at some point without a toilet door for about 2-3 months (they were renovating the faculty dorm building and somehow the start of the uni year had taken them by surprise) but there would have been a riot if there was no net for 1 day
mircea_popescu: ^ the "taken by surprise" is a term of art :D
ascii_deadfiber: l0l like ru manhole covers
ascii_deadfiber: diana_coman: 'toilet door' being the front door? or the stall doors
ascii_deadfiber: (in usa public toilets often do not have a front door)
mircea_popescu: i suspect it was one of those prison showers & shittery combos.
diana_coman: more like stall door - we lived in a kind of 2 rooms/2 bathrooms thing (4 girls in each room)
diana_coman: so on the plus side we had our "own" bathroom, on the minus side it had no door
ascii_deadfiber: this existed in my uni, in a few of the houses
mircea_popescu: lol. "on the plus side, i have my own kitchen. on the minus side, let's go eat out."
ascii_deadfiber: but they would have 1 bathroom per 2 rooms there, and railway-style doors with 'semaphore' lock
diana_coman: oh, and on the first day after the renovation thing I get into the room by pushing on the door with all my might and then I notice that the floor is bulging all over the place
mircea_popescu: diana_coman that's good in case your high heels aren't even.
diana_coman: I take the carpet away to discover that they had put it on top of all the bits and pieces of walls and whatnot they had gotten down to change the window frames
mircea_popescu: bathroom carpeting ?!
diana_coman: no, in the room!
mircea_popescu: oh oh
diana_coman: no door to push for the bathroom, lol
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> lol. "on the plus side, i have my own kitchen. on the minus side, let's go eat out." <- that's the full story of uni dorms really
mircea_popescu: dude... a bathroom all carpeted in shag!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the little bitches here are whining that "costs - by the sky, presupuestos (ie, "conditii"), under the floors". you should see the fucking place, i nearly wept for 1970s nostalgia.
ascii_deadfiber: bulging floor... heels << or if you need to http://www.maplesoft.com/view.aspx?SI=6322/SquareWheelfor12_77.gif ..!
mircea_popescu: EXACT same concrete.
mircea_popescu: possibly made by the exact same machines, too, i routinely find ancient euro machinery at work here.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber actually, recall the ru keys ? lol.
ascii_deadfiber: was it mircea_popescu who showed me what i was quite certain was an old ru key
ascii_deadfiber: aha !
ascii_deadfiber: was just about to.
ascii_deadfiber: i had a gigantic bag full of such keys as a boy to play with.
mircea_popescu: of course i've not seen any kids with the threaded key around neck here yet.
diana_coman: myeah, it's omg almost abuse
diana_coman: I think it might even be illegal in the US if I'm not mistaking? (kid alone in the street coming/going to school)
mircea_popescu: well, except if the kid's black.
mircea_popescu: depends, what's legal and illegal in the states varies a lot by where you live, the color of your skin, whether you're married to one woman or just live with half a dozen etc.
mircea_popescu: shinohai exactly!
ben_vulpes rolls eyes
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you dispute, mr hipster roll ?
ben_vulpes: there are myriad small children running around off leash in my neighborhood.
ben_vulpes: in my previous neighborhood as well.
ben_vulpes: but i suppose this falls under "where you live, color of skin"
mircea_popescu: i think so yea.
ascii_deadfiber: also moneyed enclaves.
ben_vulpes: current enclave is not particularly monied. there is a trailer park less than a quarter mile away.
ascii_deadfiber: ben_vulpes: distance is not especially good metric. ever been to baltimore?
ascii_deadfiber: they have 'black' streets with multiple condemned row houses and regular corpse removal calls, and perhaps 50m away there is 'white' street with $2mil houses.
ascii_deadfiber: almost as if they had force field generator.
ascii_deadfiber: no fence, mine field, anything at all.
ascii_deadfiber: just 'understandings'
ascii_deadfiber: which, interestingly, seem to persist even in riot mode
mircea_popescu: sounds pretty fragile, a thing of the 80s
ascii_deadfiber: that's what i would think
ascii_deadfiber: but 0 white streets burned.
ascii_deadfiber: to date.
ben_vulpes: really aren't "not white" streets here
ascii_deadfiber: (i have genuinely nfi why)
ascii_deadfiber: but i have some clues. homo usaticus is veeery well-bred for parochialism. easily compartmented. i learned recently that there is a trailer park 20min away from where i live. but i have never once seen it, nor any of the people in it!
ascii_deadfiber: they do not go to any of the same places, the roads are arranged such that you will never glimpse it, etc.
trinque: no one goes outside anymore
ascii_deadfiber: this would be perhaps why the 'blacks burn black streets' thing.
ascii_deadfiber: because in their mental map, the edges 'here be dragons'
ascii_deadfiber: aren't even considered.
ascii_deadfiber: they would sooner think of burning the north pole, at least they can picture it on the map.
Framedragger: can i up? prolly not
Framedragger: $up ascii_deadfiber
deedbot: Framedragger may not $up ascii_deadfiber
Framedragger: such is life
gernika: Curious re: above idiocy of mine wrt "I agree." Better to deedbot a retraction or just start over with a new private key?
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber so pick a bottle of wine, go knock on door.
ascii_deadfiber: waiwut why
mircea_popescu: gernika how'd a retraction work, you know ? think of the dao!
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber the trailer park
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 11:58 ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486876 << as late as 18th c. there was 'everybody goes wherever', no ?
mircea_popescu: "anybody" ie huxley, not anybody ie orwell.
gernika: mircea_popescu: jurov's suggestion was to declare the thing invalid for any use case in a deed. It's not clear to me what good that would do.
mircea_popescu: well, at least gives you something definite to point to
mircea_popescu: anyway. if you're not too invested in current sig, making new one treating it better is certainly the golden road.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486970 << you know, the proposition that drugs enhance the mind is not so unlikely from the proposition that hanging polished stones of various colors, dead parrots and other detritus from the weights of a grandfather clock improve its timekeeping accuracy.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 12:02 thestringpuller: ascii_deadfiber: would pop when we own them << that is true. one of us would also be addicted to some techno drug. don't that have "intellect enhancer" in neuromancer too?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486974 << sure they are. what, you think the great piracy days of the 2014s are still ongoing ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 12:04 ascii_deadfiber: and it isn't as if usg BUYS btc anyway
mircea_popescu: they've been on a net outflow for years now.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486987 << think for a moment. what did the great general say ? "never interrupt something something" ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 12:52 ascii_deadfiber: and force the derps to have a blacklist weighing a GB, in their idiot fork
mircea_popescu: $up ascii__deadfiber
deedbot: ascii__deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up _ascii_deadfiber
deedbot: _ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up "ascii_deadfiber
deedbot: "ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up 'ascii_deadfiber
deedbot: 'ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up #ascii_deadfiber
deedbot: #ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up (ascii_deadfiber
deedbot: (ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ahem ? this got silently fixed ?
mircea_popescu: nice going jurov :D
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486992 <<-->> "what would you do for a drake's coffee cake ?"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 12:55 thestringpuller: the original dao is drained. but the attacker split into the whitehat child dao, so he can now start attacking
mircea_popescu: ever more stuff for the "it never happened and hanno boeck did it anyway" machine.
mircea_popescu: GEE GOSH LET ME SIGN THINGS BRB
ascii_deadfiber: why would i want to trailer park wtf
mircea_popescu: why not ?
ascii_deadfiber: because what's her name
ascii_deadfiber: 'karla from california'
mircea_popescu: i went to the fucking vagrant epicenter aka "design college" here.
ascii_deadfiber: strictly for zoophiles.
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu thinks that he is veteran zoophile but his 'cows' ain't fat.
mircea_popescu: mno. the difference between domesticated animal and animal domesticator is that the domesticated animal only hangs out with man whereas man hangs out with random animals.
ascii_deadfiber: i was in b-a, they all looked like actual people
ascii_deadfiber: not so here.
mircea_popescu: so catch them young enough ? i dunno...
ascii_deadfiber: they look like this even before secondary sex traits
ascii_deadfiber: how, i have nfi
trinque: what got fixed? it'll try to up any nick you give it.
mircea_popescu: trinque but http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487002 vs http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487224
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 17:17 mircea_popescu: $up (ascii_deadfiber
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 13:19 jurov: $up (ascii_deadfiber
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber i'd trust this eval a lot more if it were based on some experience!
trinque: jurov: the fuck does that have to do with lisp
trinque: you want me to put a regex engine in the middle eh?
ascii_deadfiber: i dun have any experience chewing broken glass either.
mircea_popescu: cuz it's the logs ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber anyway, back to the topic of bleeding the usg : you understand that the largest loss in its history was ~10bn via MS on the subprime crap. this is already percents of that.
mircea_popescu: the etherape easily figures in the top 50 most costly mistakes of usg agencies to date.
ascii_deadfiber: supposing that they 1) bought the coin 2) can't simply steal it back -- i can see it
mircea_popescu: it's somewhere around 9th atm i'd say
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber that bit of irrelevance is also not germane. possibly ms "stole the 9bn back", via treasury fiat printing. so ?
mircea_popescu: compare like things for the plox.
ascii_deadfiber: is this something like 'liver transplant for a corpse' theorem ?
mircea_popescu: no, it's just that if you write down the historical trade losses of usg agents to date, etherape figures way towards the top. this is more than, say, gaddafi ever managed.
ascii_deadfiber: but not more than any number of their idiot 'own goals', e.g., the 'littoral combat ship'
ascii_deadfiber: (not even to mention the f35)
ascii_deadfiber: the f35 was pure embezzlement, the bloody ship - was actually built, expending strategic metals, labour, etc. of a whole pyramid army
mircea_popescu: they're 3 to 500mn underwater, depending what exact accounting standard you employ, and on other things. this may seem like a joke to you, but it's pretty fucking far from a joke to them. and the fact that they naively authorised more funds to try and buy their way out of it because mp said "rape"... well. it's not even cautered yet, still bleeding.
mircea_popescu: lol the littoral combat ship. o brother.
mircea_popescu: the difference being that those scams go into buying harvard yachts ; whereas these losses go into buying isis spiked condoms./
ascii_deadfiber: some 'creative thinker' decided that a floating 'stealth bomber' would be just the thing.
mircea_popescu: this is a HUGE difference, even a 100/1 split is pure death.
ascii_deadfiber: i can see this angle.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber they look like something from star wars, also. fucking ridiculous, how entirely inept, uncultivated and in general intellectually useless usians are.
ascii_deadfiber: at this point 'looks like starwars' is probably de-facto design criterion for 100% of usg mil iron
ascii_deadfiber: consider 'next generation rifle' or what was it.
ascii_deadfiber: (m16 with 'shit hanging off', but to look like 'blaster')
mircea_popescu: ridiculous though. star wars is a rhapsody in papier mache
trinque: $key trinque
trinque: jurov: there, be as floppy as you want, puny human
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu: it was and is - hilariously - one of their few 'cultural universals'. ~everyone in usa has seen the film.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber see, the "LCS" officially only cost 80mn per annum. so like... they just fucked up the budget for five of them (iirc they only have 2 anyway) in one short week!
ascii_deadfiber: and ~half - the continuation crapolade
ascii_deadfiber: incidentally - and i've not been keeping up with altsc4mz - but, is it necessarily the case that eth price was propped up by burning btc ?
ascii_deadfiber: since the exchanges are shams anyway
mircea_popescu: anyway, the story of ther "littoral combat ship" really should be told. derps wanted a sort of "automated gunship" but on water, to fight drug people. ended up with a ship that's entirely useless.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber it's one of those things, "mp has no proof", nor is he offering any.
mircea_popescu: in principle nothing ever happened and etc etc, i think we all know the drill by now.
mircea_popescu: holy shit on wheels, what fucking "performance enhancing" drugs must one be to design this shit omfg. have you SEEN these things ?
ascii_deadfiber: only photo
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/USS_Independence_LCS-2_at_pierce_%28cropped%29.jpg << this must be the worst "ship" i've ever seen.
ascii_deadfiber: but i expect the original will soon enough make its way to a museum
ascii_deadfiber: where i can see it.
mircea_popescu: prior to this encounter i couldn't even conceive of this notion.
mircea_popescu: WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THAT LIP IN THE MIDDLE
mircea_popescu: "let's build a ship so that if anyone hits it with a rocket, like the smallest possible rocket, like a healthy 4th of july piece of firework, it splits right in half and sinks in five minutes"
ascii_deadfiber: in fairness it was not for people with rocket
mircea_popescu: how the everloving fuck is this a ship
ascii_deadfiber: but for smugglers armed with at most kalash.
trinque: ahaha no one could've predicted rocket
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber so it was for fighting what, women from the 1950s household ? with the hairdo and the apron ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber smugglers have bazooka ever since rambo was on thirld world tv.
mircea_popescu: ie, 1960
ascii_deadfiber: if narcos ever nailed a usg boat with bazooka, it was successfully censored from anywhere i might hear of it.
ascii_deadfiber: it isn't in their traditional kit
mircea_popescu: are you fucking me this thing looks like it was designed by john oliver and a team of harvard educated brits.
ascii_deadfiber: (vs african pirate)
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber they fired torpedoes off submarine at coast goard while i was there in CR.
mircea_popescu: locals shat their pants so bad had the us coast goard sail over from florida to protect them
ascii_deadfiber: and hit ?
mircea_popescu: no, out of range, likely warning shot. it warned alright.
ascii_deadfiber: (of what did they make torpedo? out of old socks?)
mircea_popescu: stolen ru diesel sub.
mircea_popescu: of which there's 100s still unaccounted, ftr.
mircea_popescu: quite the kalash of its own, that thing, as it turns out.
ascii_deadfiber: and the libyan ones went somewhere also.
mircea_popescu: nobody knows.
ascii_deadfiber: it comes with some of caveats of the jet fighter tho.
mircea_popescu: eh, third world can fix diesel engines alright from what i've seen
mircea_popescu: i regularly see ww2 benz trucks here. and egypt was chock full of ancient cars also.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber what was it, mostly foxtrots iirc.
ascii_deadfiber: more than just engines on the thing
ascii_deadfiber: the torpedo itself, for one
Framedragger: *of course* this thing will be using rand() wrongly, *of course* it pipes user input to system() so that you can pass commands after a semicolon, etc.; it's pretty amusing
ascii_deadfiber: Framedragger: we had these - iirc - at $rupturefarm
ascii_deadfiber: (there was an after-hours reversing club thing)
Framedragger: hehheh. must've been fun
ascii_deadfiber: not so fun imho. quite repetitive crapolade.
ascii_deadfiber: there is no art in it.
Framedragger: "It also downloads firmware updates over http and doesn't appear to check signatures on them, so there's the potential for MITM attacks on the plug itself. The remote control server is on AWS unless your timezone is GMT+8, in which case it's in China."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck.
Framedragger: their use of encryption seems to be so that lazy competitors would be forced to use their own servers; because there's not really much in terms of authentication, see...
ben_vulpes: $up ascii_deadfiber
mircea_popescu: $up thortron
deedbot: thortron voiced for 30 minutes.
thortron: mircea_popescu: thx.
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu: seems like the 'littoral combat ship' is 500-600mil each.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber yeah i meant to operate
mircea_popescu: thortron sure. an' who might you be ?
thortron: Used to be gernika :)
mircea_popescu: ah ok.
mircea_popescu: http://www.juventudinformada.com.ar/2012/10/18/conoce-a-las-agrupaciones-de-la-fadu/ << for the truly dedicated entomologists.
mircea_popescu: the best part, of course "the so-called "careers" of derps with degrees here should somehow matter in society".
ascii_deadfiber: wtf is that
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber that is the site of the student political groups in the Etsy University of Buenos Aires.
ascii_deadfiber: ah the pilis.
mircea_popescu: the pilis!
ascii_deadfiber: these heat sinks have a very real function tho
ascii_deadfiber: if not for them, could have actual boat-rockers
mircea_popescu: cheaper than pot ?
ascii_deadfiber: but now kidz can go to 'rebel club' and derp harmlessly.
mircea_popescu: dude gtfo. these kids couldn't thread a wire if it saved them from bilateral amputation.
ascii_deadfiber: could if went to beat-me-with-a-stick club and beaten until learned.
mircea_popescu: also, most of their proposals are "bla bla with materiales al costo", ie, they want to be supplied cheaper cardboard to fuck around with while sitting on the pavement like the bums that they are.
ascii_deadfiber: what were the other alternatives ?
ascii_deadfiber: theorems ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i had a cup of coffee in the food court there. i was the only guy that bought coffee, everyone else was too busy with utterly revolting meat patties in wonderbread (SUCH an insult in argentina, this, that they'd eat the us crap) and fructose syrup drinks.
mircea_popescu: they wanted THIRTY EIGHT PESOS for the thing. this is as much as it costs in the poshiest cafe i go to.
mircea_popescu: yet it tasted like exactly what it should have tasted, which is to say week old army coffee.
ascii_deadfiber: we have this here.
ascii_deadfiber: it is called 'starbucks'
mircea_popescu: how THE FUCK do they get away with it. i mean, they still give the bums the sort of stuff bums misrepresenting tghemselves as "students" and "With potential!" get all over the world
mircea_popescu: but they fucking charge them what rich people pay for the world's best coffee.
ascii_deadfiber: yer payin' for the chair.
mircea_popescu: how. how!
ascii_deadfiber: not the cup.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber i could have sat there for a week, free. most of them do.
ascii_deadfiber: ergo the cost.
mircea_popescu: i BET YOU that it's some sort of derpy "co-op" "al costo".
hanbot: mircea_popescu they prolly shaved their best pencils for that coffee. lapices ain't cheap!
mircea_popescu: good god.
hanbot: cafe hb 6.5 or what was it
ascii_deadfiber: cafe no. 2 !111
mircea_popescu: hanbot oh, the "door game is born" derp ?
ascii_deadfiber: what's the door game ?
mircea_popescu: oh this old lolz
mircea_popescu: lemme find it
ascii_deadfiber: ah i thought 'hb' was reference to a type of pencil sold in usa
mircea_popescu: SO DID I!
mircea_popescu: but no, it turns out that it stands for "Hot Body", as a sort of you know, scoring systems.
mircea_popescu: you know that joke about the nuts at the sanitarium saying numbers and laughing ?
mircea_popescu: this incidentally is a very interesting, at least to me, comment on the problems of code-in-society. because omfg, you're going to have implicit mark-up, really ? you gotta know what joke index <1k means ?
ascii_deadfiber: btw this is not some oddity, but wholly standard, in usa you can say 'a 7' and every bloke thinks he knows what is meant
mircea_popescu: while the other derps are seriously prepending tags, to alter syntax ? HB 9.5 ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber but nothing is meant!
ascii_deadfiber: not so
mircea_popescu: i am familiar with "a dime", which simply means "perfect", which doesn't denote anything but thjat's ok.
mircea_popescu: wtf is "a 7".
ascii_deadfiber: you could just as well say that 'hot day' means nothing
ascii_deadfiber: but - it does
mircea_popescu: mno, that's not the right equivalency. the right equivalency is "you could just as well say dangerous day" means nothing.
mircea_popescu: AND YOU SAY THAT
mircea_popescu: both to the helicopter mom that importantly recommends you "be careful" (bitch - be careful IS ALWAUYS TRANSITIVE. if you don't specify the object i'ma slap you)
mircea_popescu: as well as to the fortune teller who importantly prophesizes "things will occur and phenomena will happen"
hanbot: lol someone tells mircea_popescu "take care" and: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/idea-pie.jpg
mircea_popescu: uh ?
mircea_popescu: pretty good lmao
thestringpuller: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #trilema 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <jurov> deedbot: http://www.exusiae.com/shared/agree.txt.asc
thestringpuller: need coinbr help
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: zoolag @ 184.108.40.206.
mircea_popescu: prolly should have a deed system for this
asciilifeform: not like it doesn't get mitm'd every even day in calendar.
asciilifeform: so what am i signing.
asciilifeform: however an auto-deedbotronic 'zoolag is up/down' might be useful.
mircea_popescu: $nodes say
mircea_popescu: recreating dns one step at a time ;/
trinque: $node asciilifeform 220.127.116.11 zoolag
trinque: er nick is unnecessary
trinque: I crap out an encrypted OTP
trinque: seems easy
trinque: hostnames first come / first serve
mircea_popescu: trinque then provide the list over web or somesuch ?
trinque: and say $resolve zoolag
mircea_popescu: it's a pretty dumb solution to a gossipd problem, so only if it's very little work
trinque: asciilifeform: how far are we from the glorious c-s future?
mircea_popescu: there's really no conceivable reason to have unauthenticating nodes in the first place.
mircea_popescu: so really, either iB or outright TRB will have to have an auth layer for nodes.
mircea_popescu: and a list of acceptable keys.
thestringpuller: i have to switch my node
thestringpuller: cause i'm using --connect
thestringpuller: In Ether Huffing news >> "People need to understand this. Your individual ideological beliefs on blockchain tech need to take a backseat to pragmatism. If we don't reverse all of this, cleanly and quickly, the government will step in and complicate all of our lives indefinitely." "Oh, and for the non-ETH holders coming here for the drama - this will affect your coin too. If you think that the SEC will make a distinction between BTC or
mircea_popescu: ahahaha the government lol
mircea_popescu: yeah, yeah.
mircea_popescu: the sec may humbly gorge on my penis.
mircea_popescu: fucking schmucks, listen to them go. "tmsr defeated our derpy attempt to bypass bitcoin so this means we get to regulate it"
mircea_popescu: that boat sailed long ago.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: btw lynx is able to load the large phuctor pages all proper and stuff :) not that this is unexpected, but still nice to know that the server-side stuff is *just fine* for sane clients.
Framedragger: looks good, too
asciilifeform: Framedragger: believe or not, i test things
Framedragger: did not intend to insult :)
asciilifeform: l0l, just that it isn't mega-surprise that things work
asciilifeform: in other nyooz: http://blog.talosintel.com/2016/06/the-poisoned-archives.html << libarchive 0day
asciilifeform: out with the old nsaholez, in with the neeeeew (update!1111111now!1)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform about 1/3 of all spam is "zip" archives of all kinds.
mircea_popescu: "here's my order, here's your order, here's the court whatever".
Framedragger: "This means that to overflow the "unpack_streams" variable we need only have a 7-Zip file with the number of folders "numFolders" larger than 42 and then populate "numUnpackStreams" with sufficient values." heheh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah but this is quite different. no need to run winblowz and click payload exe.
mircea_popescu: there wasn't an .exe
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is 0day in decompressor lib, per se, used in ~all linux proggies.
mircea_popescu: there was a .zip
asciilifeform: ^ not nyooz
asciilifeform: but interesting.
phf: when i started using emacs there was an almost ideological aversion to DWIM in the community, instead of having say smart context "search" thing you'd have a dozen search-foo-in-bar combinations, and that was thought The Right Thing. emacs has long been dragged in the dwim direction by the usual suspects, but the vogue elsewhere is now dwiw, i.e. do what i want. as explicit/"want" gap gets bigger, you're going to have all kinds of attack vectors o
phf: pening up
phf: kind of goes back to asciilifeform's laws of computing
mircea_popescu: phf how does this relate to "peasant found himself writing code for library other peasants imported for no reason" ?
phf: code reuse!
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely no conceivable reason the derps responsible for libarchive should have been "taken out of production" in the first place.
phf: i think these are two parallel process though
mircea_popescu: what's the sovietism for this ? when derp gets pass from his job to do something stupid ?
phf: well, "libarchive" is already a systemd-ism
asciilifeform: the crapolade is attributable to individual вредители in all cases, but exists ~structurally~ because of c-machine and idiot unix.
asciilifeform: just like vermin are ~structurally~ baked into dirty kitchen, no matter who is the cook.
mircea_popescu: how exactly does unix force someone to write code that allocates heap on the basis of what user tells it to
phf: which you see all over the linux ecosystem. xpdf was taken out the backyard and shot to be replaced by libpopper which pulls 10 libraries etc.
asciilifeform: phf: i ~still~ froth with rage thinking about this
phf: i knew that one would trigger you. i just discovered it few months ago, was so upset i stopped using that gentoo laptop
mircea_popescu: kill one for each kill. stop using pdf.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't have this luxury. mathematics ~= pdf.
mircea_popescu enjoys his privilege
asciilifeform: [insert one of the 7 or so threads we had re this here]
phf: there's of course no xpdf compatible client for libpopper, but you have your choice of KDE4/GNOME10 monstrosities
asciilifeform: re the evils of dwim, one of mr mold's few technical articles, from the old dayz, http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html
phf: but i think the library problem is separate from dwim problem, where retards find all these levers, and go "oh i can rube goldber level 1 to lever 12 so that, but i'm missing an http client library to do this so i'm just going to bring in libweb and everything will be peachy keen"
mircea_popescu: phf do tell ?
asciilifeform: 'el rapeshack' << win.
mircea_popescu: for srs.
phf: i guess the two are in lockstep. you get pdf in your email, you save it to file, you open it with xpdf. a dwim equivalent is to open it, dwiw style, right in the mail client. can't do that with xpdf (actually you can but need to read specs for x11, yawn), so make xpdf into a library, embed the whole thing into client.
mircea_popescu: what is the concept "right in the mail client" mean ?
mircea_popescu: if i awk | sed | grep do i read stuff "right in the grep" or "right in the awk" ?
mircea_popescu: well no, cuz you left me in the dark here. wut is being discussed!
mircea_popescu: this "in the X" windows user concept always baffled me. nigga, these are pieces of paper, they don't have anyting IN them.
mircea_popescu: pregnant fucking planes wtf abstraction is this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from ui perspective, it means that it scrolls in the same window as if it were plain text. from an exploitation perspective, it means that pdf renderer run whether chumps wants it to or not, just by virtue of him reading the mailz
asciilifeform: (a la microshit)
mircea_popescu: oh, inline is the idea ?
asciilifeform: unless i also misunderstood phf's thing.
mircea_popescu: do you ever want a pdf inline in the mail client ?
phf: no, no, not mine, i explicitly use "in" as a windowism, because it's a thinking thing
mircea_popescu: is the mail client inlined in the... syslog ? or what ?
asciilifeform: in other nyooz: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-robotics-lawmaking-idUSKCN0Z72AY << robot tax!1111
mircea_popescu: but this is a deeply broken manner of thinking about terminals, as if one's forever stuck on ONE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eu is entirely broke, news at whatever hour
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on idiot os without meaningful composability - user is more or less stuck
phf: there's a "mail client" which is a modality, can be inline, can be a popup, as long as everything's kept in same modality. "now i interact with electronic mail, what pray is this pdf document??"
mircea_popescu: phf well... it'd be a popup. neh ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linked for the gold nugget: 'It also suggested the creation of a register for smart autonomous robots, which would link each one to funds established to cover its legal liabilities.' << dao!11111111
mircea_popescu: whole thing's incredibly stupid. fuck you if i'm going to pay a red cent to the "state budget". once i make a factory, it'll assemble its own tanks and fucking shoot the lot of them derps.
mircea_popescu: there is no common ground.
mircea_popescu: phf i'm not even sure what proper tools to talk about this in. so basically, you're discussing a sort of "nothing happened" for the mouthbreather population ?
phf: mircea_popescu: i was trying to describe the kind of thinking that goes into the "linux on desktop" drive
phf: but the terminology is lacking, so it's not coming out right
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone actually understands stupid people
mircea_popescu: nor the amorous advances of goats.
asciilifeform: and it is Bad For Your Health to try, even, imho.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 01:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found it especially entertaining how reddit folk (at least used to) believe the 'if only male birth control pill' thing would make any difference (if such thing existed, 'paternity' would simply get redefined, french style, to accomodate cuckoldry)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the yarvin thing has a point. "intelligent" interface is exactly like "perpetuum mobile"|
asciilifeform: 'so you replaced mouthbreathing unskilled derps with robots that cost 1/10th?? hahaha, pay up, you owe the difference, what, you really thought you'd get to keep it??'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sweet dreams are made of this, who am i to disagree. i own the world and its seven seas, every nigger's lookin for free dough...
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at republican ranch : no code without crypto ; no factory without automated assault vehicles.
mircea_popescu: ah perhaps notably : wa never went anywhere.
asciilifeform: it was laughed off the stage as soon as went public.
asciilifeform was in the closed beta, and l0lled when demo monkey refused to answer his questions
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wolfram 'alpha'
mircea_popescu: wolfgang frumfra or w/e
mircea_popescu: the sheer amount of idiots pouring into trilema since the etherape is unmatched historically. not when the doge, not when the ripple, not when the mtgox, not when the any other thing. where the everloving fuck do they keep spawning from and when is their mother getting her god damned tubes tied already!
asciilifeform: iirc fetlife brought in moar
mircea_popescu: of course, that's mostly because the fat ugly women composing 90% of that scene tend to write things on their sikrit livejournals.
mircea_popescu: whereas apparently this is more like cocksure bois that really should be singing the castrato parts in classical italian operas.
asciilifeform: preeeeeeeeeeet will eat well.
mircea_popescu: funny how there's not even the cursory attempt to bow to laws anymore. cracked shield -> searched car. problem ?
asciilifeform: hey they canceled 4th amendment for cars in 1980s.
shinohai: Preeeeeeeeeeeet caused a poor finance guy to commit suicide! >.>
asciilifeform: what law.
mircea_popescu: o, you can cancel that ?
mircea_popescu: check it out, teh technologee.
asciilifeform: it was a monumentally talmudic case, too
mircea_popescu: anyway, they're petrified aren't they.
asciilifeform: (iirc, decided that car was neither 'house' nor 'person' and therefore as searchable as they want)
asciilifeform: also 'broken shield' was not necessarily true, but quite likely parallel-constructed
asciilifeform: the usual thing is stoolie tip.
asciilifeform: (and/or nsa)
mircea_popescu: looks likely, sure. "rescue girl from drug den", homeboys watched too much true romance or what.
asciilifeform: incidentally nyc is where they have the xray backscatter vans, recall.
asciilifeform: (if anyone gave half a shit, it would be ~trivial~ to track their movements in real time from, e.g, toy chopper)
asciilifeform: so quite likely we know now ~what~ was under the parallel construct.
a111: Logged on 2015-10-19 21:14 ascii_field: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/216551-nypd-caught-using-x-ray-vans-to-search-the-public-refuses-court-order-to-release-details << l0l!
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487373 << Because Etsy college is for making generation pass through expect the shit to be normal
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 18:46 mircea_popescu: how THE FUCK do they get away with it. i mean, they still give the bums the sort of stuff bums misrepresenting tghemselves as "students" and "With potential!" get all over the world
Framedragger: $s alt-right
Framedragger: i was just made aware of this term; i wonder if this may help me to conceptualize mircea_popescu in my mind
Framedragger: ...perhaps not
trinque: nah, that's Curtis Yarvin et al
a111: Logged on 2015-05-18 23:49 mircea_popescu: admittedly, i'm more like a 1700s mind.
trinque: lulzy thread
Framedragger: trinque: ty
a111: Logged on 2015-05-18 23:49 justJanne: let’s say it like this, not even the literal nazis had such a right-wing idea about society. And they are nazis.
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: Weev is actually closer to canonical example of alt-right than Yarvin
BingoBoingo: $up _FeltPen
deedbot: _FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
Framedragger: reading those convos made me recall a funny story: http://www.newyorker.com/humor/shouts-murmurs/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department
asciilifeform: Framedragger: about same grade of fine literature as 'Der Giftpilz'
BingoBoingo: Oh lawdy, someone got triggurd http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/#comment-62249
asciilifeform: http://www.professorgair.com/poisonous-mushroom-with.pdf << bigger scans, unfortunately pdf
Framedragger: asciilifeform: haven't heard but from looking and inferring you meant it's shit, i respond that it's still funny to me!
asciilifeform: 'giftpilz' is also funny.
Framedragger: k, checkin'
BingoBoingo: "Compact Blocks"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lel, part of the 'segregated witness' crud ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, part of "no one had bandwidth" fearmongering
BingoBoingo: In other news: "SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE Crews were working to repair a gas line at Scott Air Force Base Wednesday. According to Scott officials, a contractor in the area of 2403 Oak Grove Circle flipped concrete material over that fell on a gas line and cracked it about 3 p.m. The cracked gas line was being repaired."
trinque: pls more complexity since I do not have 1mb/10min to spare
shinohai: https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/releases <<< LOL they are STILL publishing releases on this junk.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i kinda doubt it. there's really not much common root between me and teh esl derps.
mircea_popescu: trinque nah, the german chick was much too organised to pili.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487599 << for the record, a scheme to reduce chatter is unavoidable in the design.
mircea_popescu: one large driving factor of the low node count is exactly this ALL TO ALL nonsense scheme. if you have 1mb mempool and 100 nodes your chatter is 10gb. if you had 1k nodes your chatter would be 1tb.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way to be rid of GB chatter is... to have moar nodez!!
mircea_popescu: no, if they just throw everything they have randomly at everyone you get exponential chattering-up
mircea_popescu: the sane way is to have a negotiating mechanism AMONG AUTHENTICATED NODES
asciilifeform: but, ultimately, yes - gossip mempool.
mircea_popescu: but absent that, the prb solution (where p stands for a poor man) is well...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487613 << incidentally, this is incorrect. in the current scheme, node only broadcasts new-to-it tx. so after a tx propagates, it dampens, nothing exponential happens.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 00:30 mircea_popescu: no, if they just throw everything they have randomly at everyone you get exponential chattering-up
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#2331 << mechanism in question.
asciilifeform: which - whatddoyaknow - confirms that mircea_popescu was partly right, the turd broadcasts a random selection of mempool at all times...
asciilifeform: this still doesn't lead to exponential burn