trinque: No route to host.
phf: trinque: so i take it person/rating is what i'm looking at?
trinque: soon as I get to it, rating's going to get switched to foreign keys; I'll warn you first
trinque: as it stands, it's using indexed unique fields
trinque: and the other change that'll affect you is I'm moving it to another box, will let you know of that too
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The case for an AR-15 under every pillow. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/20/the-case-for-an-ar-15-under-every-pillow/
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/20/the-case-for-an-ar-15-under-every-pillow/#comment-47639
trinque: hell, that sig sauer of recent fame seems like a great gun
thestringpuller: trinque: is there no read-only api for deedbot like there was assbot?
phf: trinque: perhaps having from and to be fk with constraints is also a good idea
trinque: yeh that's what I said
phf: TomServo in person, but tomservo in to_nick ...
trinque: I'm querying all of it with lower()
phf: it is because you hate freedom
trinque: I don't feel alive unless I'm rolling around in broken glass
phf: i wonder if there are hidden implications to making all nicks case insensitive for /log/
trinque: I think TomServo's the only one like that; I could just fix it
trinque: had a moment of "dear fucking god, IRC is case insensitive" after he complained
trinque: then realized I had to go back through and add lower() to the queries
phf: i have one (get-nick ...)
trinque: at which point fixing the caps didn't matter
trinque: thing is even if I change the schema I'll probably replace rating with a view of same structure
trinque: that way you don't have to keep track of my schema changes
trinque: the wot db I got was already all lower iirc, so I have no idea what the capitalization of nicks was originally
trinque: thestringpuller: what kind of API
phf: entire wot takes 9.9mb in memory, full refresh takes 15s with an ssh hop, 5s of which is cpu time
phf: actually i don't think that's right
phf: ok this time around it took 9.1s, 5s of cpu time (so that was correct). but entire wot takes 4.1mb (i forgot to gc at some point)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 707.93, vol: 12989.99997798 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 685.371, vol: 8376.00173 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 707.26, vol: 52315.92668033 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 665.0, vol: 3.34134792 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 721.56528, vol: 55915.67260000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 708.0, vol: 5395.59319057 | Volume-weighted last average: 711.920133552
deedbot: [Qntra] Network Difficulty Up 6.83% As Halving Looms - http://qntra.net/2016/06/network-difficulty-up-6-83-as-halving-looms/
phf: entire wot as one giant s-expression, for people who are into that sort of shit, http://btcbase.org/tmp/wot.sexp (9.5MB)
BingoBoingo: ty phf
phf: BingoBoingo: so far entirely useless :)
BingoBoingo: So far!
trinque: o look, bitfinex is back on
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 706.0, Best ask: 706.04, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 706.04, 24 hour volume: 52974.9952276, 24 hour low: 675.5, 24 hour high: 767.77, 24 hour vwap: None
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:49 phf: Framedragger: despite the rhetoric people here are extremely pragmatic. but when you think about these things there's no reason to allow sloppy thinking. the question is "how much of a dick up your ass is too much dick", and the healthy answer is "none at all". llvm is good technology (it gives you same kind of layering that a decent common lisp compiler does, but for languages that are not used to that kind of richnes
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485808 << indeed, release summaries can be deceiving this way i suppose - i see what you mean. i haven't looked at the big picture / general decisions, but i can understand this viewpoint for sure
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:52 phf: you might not notice it, because you look at it from the perspective of release summaries and hacker news posts, but the kind of decisions that go into llvm are ~entirely~ driven by large corporate with large teams and large hardware needs. it's synergistic.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485895 << heh - incidentally i may be busier afk these days
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 20:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, normally i'd have just let you do the conversion locally, but since Framedragger is such an impetuous youth, we're moving fast for once :D
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 20:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485755 <<< in fairness you ask / make very abstract questions / statements.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 01:48 mod6: Framedragger: hey, thanks for all your work with the SSH keys.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell tfoxbrewster certainly not at seven in the morning.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 05:12 phf: it is because you hate freedom
thestringpuller: oh look ether huffers ddosing trilema
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486149 << honestly, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason for rating system to distinguish MP from mP. there is no legitimate reason for two different individuals to be this close ; nor is such nonsense supported. in fact, your scheme should not even permit m1rcea and mircea to be distinct.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 05:17 trinque: thing is even if I change the schema I'll probably replace rating with a view of same structure
mircea_popescu: honestly, i'd be in favour of "just replace all 1 with i and all I with l and take out all non-alphabetic characters". MIRCEA MLRCEA M1RCEA MI_R-CEA > MIRCEA and fuck them.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486155 << this incidentally is a very interesting measure. i'm curious when wot becomes larger than blockchain for instance.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 05:30 phf: ok this time around it took 9.1s, 5s of cpu time (so that was correct). but entire wot takes 4.1mb (i forgot to gc at some point)
mircea_popescu: (seems to me unavoidable, 1bn (atomic) txn ~= 100gb, yet 1bn people that know half a dunbar's number worth of others ~= 100 Gb * however much each record takes.)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 05:47 phf: entire wot as one giant s-expression, for people who are into that sort of shit, http://btcbase.org/tmp/wot.sexp (9.5MB)
mircea_popescu: phf feature request : can log search have a parameter indicating how many later references are needed for line to qualify ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486188 << quite likely never, we will have gossipd and dispense with the lunacy of centralized wot before then.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 12:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486155 << this incidentally is a very interesting measure. i'm curious when wot becomes larger than blockchain for instance.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: lol deedbot wheels spin audibly.
mircea_popescu: tfoxbrewster you the forbes guy ?
tfoxbrewster: i am
mircea_popescu: how goes ?
tfoxbrewster: all good.
mircea_popescu: fine. so did you want to ask some questions ?
tfoxbrewster: yes. the Ethereum guys are suggesting that the claim you took the ether - http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#selection-27.210-27.224 - is untrue.
tfoxbrewster: Their comment: "The message claims to contain a cryptographic signature in the last line. ECDSA signatures of the sort used by Ethereum are 65 bytes (130 hexadecimal digits) long, and end with '00' or '01'. The number at the end of his message is the right length, but ends with '20', making it an invalid signature.
tfoxbrewster: If the attacker wrote the message, there would be no reason for him not to provide a valid signature. If the message were written by an impostor, on the other hand, they'd be unable to generate a valid signature, and would have reason to make their message more convincing by adding a fraudulent one.
tfoxbrewster: For that reason, I'm certain that the message is a fraud, written by someone who wants to stir up trouble in the community."
tfoxbrewster: Thoughts on that?
mircea_popescu: tfoxbrewster well, you familiar with the satoshi/hoaxtoshi communications this year ?
mircea_popescu: because this isn't a single item, it's a third in a trifecta.
tfoxbrewster: i am indeed. explain the trifecta/
mircea_popescu: well, at first there was http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/
mircea_popescu: now, the usg assets in bitcoin (gavin & all) didn't like this, and whined about the signature. so i said : swear it ain't so. in writing. they... didn't.
mircea_popescu: then there was the whole craig whatever incident. where the usg assets in bitcoin (gavin & all) swore as to the authenticity of a gross fake.
mircea_popescu: the difference between those two and this third is instructive and important : in those instances, the usg was trying to spin a narrative that'd allow it to claim it's still alive and relevant, in front of proof to the contrary from ~already established accounts~. ie, satoshi.
mircea_popescu: here, there's no historical establishment. the guy lives through his deeds not through a lengthy, boring story about "hey listen, back in 1920 carnegie and j p morgan were pretty cool so we should still be getting free petrocheese and chinese plastics for this reason".
mircea_popescu: in other words : signatures there were retrospective, attempting to build a historical chain. "this x is that x which you respect so respect this".
mircea_popescu: the signature here however is prospective. "this is a signature you don't know what to do with. at some later point, maybe you will."
mircea_popescu: $up iKant
deedbot: iKant voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: are you an apple product ?
iKant: :) more on the line of the German Philosopher with a nod to the vogue of the single letter prefix
mircea_popescu: i see.
mircea_popescu: incidentally tfoxbrewster : go $register <your full fingerprint>, then the bot will register you and i'll rate you and then you can self-voice.
tfoxbrewster: interesting - i have to head off, but I'ld like to continue this conversation tomorrow if possible?
mircea_popescu: lol @bitfinex. fortunately article is already written, from last time. http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/
mircea_popescu: broomstick eventually becomes machine gun of lulz.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : wordpress interface dies if one tries to publish a 10mb text article with "unknown error". apparently this has never happened before.
mircea_popescu: if the item in question is uploaded via ssh-mysql directly, phpmyadmin (common mysql interface) dies when trying to say "edit" the column, and wordpress itself fails to pipe the content to apache.
mircea_popescu: oy vey.
mircea_popescu: they have pages worth 20 to 100 mb worth of shitty gifs, but can't display 10mb of a god damned s expression.
mircea_popescu: phf ew uppercase
phf: yeah, i noticed
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 05:13 PHF: i wonder if there are hidden implications to making all nicks case insensitive for /log/
mircea_popescu: phf you really should make a blog! but meanwhile : http://trilema.com/2016/the-longest-s-expression-in-the-history-of-lisp-of-which-computing-science-is-a-subset-of-which-information-technology-is-a-subset-of-which-what-youre-currently-doing-probably-is-a-subset/
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: couuuld be max file upload limit set in php.ini or in webserver? but i guess could also just be wordpress / typical php app shit..
mircea_popescu: for which part ? at no point is a FILE being manipulated here.
Framedragger: ah yeah, i probably meant POST request
mircea_popescu: but yes i'm sure there's "a limit" put in there by people who don't belong touching computers.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: post_max_size in php.ini, apparently set to 2M by default?
Framedragger: it seems that you can modify it in .htaccess with php_value post_max_size 20M
Framedragger: such joy
mircea_popescu: Framedragger that may explain the part where the first part fails, i guess. but not the 2nd part. both php items (wp, phpmyadmin) should be able to list a 10mb sql record.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger notice the interlocking magic numbers of shit!
Framedragger: heh yeah, if no POST involved in phpmyadmin reply, and there shouldn't. lol.
Framedragger: 2M should be enuf for everyone
mircea_popescu: nyway bll
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 15:36 mircea_popescu: phf you really should make a blog! but meanwhile : http://trilema.com/2016/the-longest-s-expression-in-the-history-of-lisp-of-which-computing-science-is-a-subset-of-which-information-technology-is-a-subset-of-which-what-youre-currently-doing-probably-is-a-subset/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486238 << i learned this earlier, with phuctor's 'braindamaged keys' page.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 15:24 mircea_popescu: they have pages worth 20 to 100 mb worth of shitty gifs, but can't display 10mb of a god damned s expression.
asciilifeform: many browsers will barf.
asciilifeform: 100MB lolcatz is a-ok; 1MB text - crapple, etc. sputter, cough.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/the-longest-s-expression-in-the-history-of-lisp-of-which-computing-science-is-a-subset-of-which-information-technology-is-a-subset-of-which-what-youre-currently-doing-probably-is-a-subset/#comment-117676
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486193 << i added refs:number, see if that's what you're looking for
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 13:27 mircea_popescu: phf feature request : can log search have a parameter indicating how many later references are needed for line to qualify ?
phf: $s from:mircea refs:5
a111: 2 results for "from:mircea refs:5", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea%20refs%3A5
asciilifeform: very neat
trinque: $up tfoxbrewster
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lol @bitfinex. fortunately article is already written, from last time. http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ << ty, fxd qntra buttfunex piece
trinque: every time they turn it back on price starts to recover
trinque: I expect they'll turn it back off soon :p
BingoBoingo: Or it turns self off with the empty switch?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 17:02 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486193 << i added refs:number, see if that's what you're looking for
asciilifeform: EAFB68E1A320C9DC << not actually public anywhere. mega-unsurprise.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486200 << wasn't mircea_popescu suing forbes for plagiarism a while back ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 14:26 mircea_popescu: tfoxbrewster you the forbes guy ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, let's not read too much into these things. nobody in the dinousaur world has anything even remotely like stable employment, let alone any sort of relationships or whatever.
mircea_popescu: they just like to claim association with what they like to imagine impresses us ; we humor them.
mircea_popescu: for asciilifeform 's own amusement : gnupg.org/aaegypten2/
asciilifeform: and archived nowhere
asciilifeform: wtf was it ?
asciilifeform: ah the shitcard
asciilifeform: old nyooz
mircea_popescu: decade old, new again!
asciilifeform: but wtf with the unitard ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ!111111111
asciilifeform: we have a word for this:
asciilifeform: ( http://lurkmore.to/%D0%91%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%9F%D0%9D%D0%AF << for the curious. )
mircea_popescu: <ICEbЕrg> ПХГМЮБЮИРЕЯЭ ЙРН Б лЯЙ, ОНДЛНЯЙНБЭЕ Х оХРЕПЕ НАХРЮЕР?
mircea_popescu: <Ishamael[eager]> сам ты нахрюер
mircea_popescu: made me laughcough
asciilifeform: i bet at least part of that is valid kazakh.
mircea_popescu: oh my hod.
asciilifeform: and of course http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/jnike_07/14227766/278045/278045_original.jpg .
asciilifeform: btw does 'forbes' ~always~ log in via 'hidemyass.com' ?
asciilifeform: or only when moon is full.
mircea_popescu: well, when interviewing hackers it is polite to assume the trappings.
asciilifeform: i thought the trappings were robe and wizard hat.
mircea_popescu: when i was fucking arab girls i insisted they wear the underwear on head rather than ass, to pacify local sentiments.
asciilifeform: $up tfoxbrewster
mircea_popescu: lol o'zbekiston
asciilifeform: 'kazahstan's prostitutes! cleanest in the region! except of course those of ! uuuuzbekistaaaaaan!!1111' (tm) (r) ('borat')
asciilifeform: fella is on a gas modem or wat.
mircea_popescu: why are you so excited anyway
asciilifeform: not so much excited as waiting for a compile.
mircea_popescu: when you wait for a compile, the compile waits for you!
gribble: Current Blocks: 417390 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 1937 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4392.92, vol: 79999.17900000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4392.92
BingoBoingo: Oh, so close to being a nice round volume
BingoBoingo: $up DaoSancho
deedbot: DaoSancho voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Oh it looks like Forbes hooked a higher quality of kid than they usually do.
deedbot: [Trilema] The longest S-expression in the history of Lisp (of which Computing Science is a subset, of which "Information Technology" is a subset, of which what you''re currently doing probably is a subset - a circumstance which does not plead in favour of your intelligence, or for that matter moral values) - http://trilema.com/2016/the-longest-s-expression-in-the-history-of-lisp-of-which-computing-science-is-a-subset-of-which-information-technology-is-a-subs
deedbot: [Qntra] Corn Futures Fall On Possibility Of Further Supply Glut - http://qntra.net/2016/06/corn-futures-fall-on-possibility-of-further-supply-glut/
trinque: caught me messing with it
trinque: new deedbot box is up and works. I'll be swapping over to that one later
trinque: way faster
BingoBoingo: Sweet ty trinque
BingoBoingo: $up tfoxbrewster
BingoBoingo: tfoxbrewster: Feel free to catch up on thigs you miss while away http://btcbase.org/log/
ascii_deadfiber: ty BingoBoingo
ascii_deadfiber: the name sayz it all, tho.
BingoBoingo: Aha, so merely having fiber doesn't mean you don't live in the heart of Dindustan
ascii_deadfiber: zoolag down until the pole climbers get here.
ascii_deadfiber: tomorrow at the earliest.
ascii_deadfiber: BingoBoingo: just like mains current
BingoBoingo: But seriously, repair schedule is tomorrow?
ascii_deadfiber: aha, today's booked apparently.
ascii_deadfiber: i don't pay enough for guaranteed-same-day.
ascii_deadfiber: (it is ~10x moar)
BingoBoingo: Or you live in Zimbabwe!
ascii_deadfiber: that goes without saying.
BingoBoingo: Sameday pole climbing is standard here, derecho's excepted
BingoBoingo: Tornado is still usually same day service though.
ascii_deadfiber: what's on BingoBoingo's pole though ? gas modem line ?
BingoBoingo: Of course
ascii_deadfiber: so then.
ascii_deadfiber: comparing the warm and the soft, aren't we now.
BingoBoingo: IP over Compressed natural gas is all the rage ehre
ascii_deadfiber: btw i noticed that all new gas lines where i live are flexible hose instead of the customary cast iron pipe
BingoBoingo: But seriously now we've got fiber. Pretty sure we've been over this before.
ascii_deadfiber: which inevitably provokes the question: when can i expect to see gas pipe on poles !!
ascii_deadfiber: it is possible now!111111
BingoBoingo: Got fiber, cable company electric, and POTS
ascii_deadfiber: srsly there was a gas leak on my street last year and they dug up half of it and put in the hose in place of pipe.
ascii_deadfiber: some weirdo (dupont?) corrugated-steel-and-rubber thing.
BingoBoingo: Apparently your gas is allowed to leak, but when we have some idiot tear up a pressurized line with backhow somehow Middle west is Zimbabwe while James Lafond presents alf in the hood is pocket of civilization
ascii_deadfiber: i dun think they have 'civilization' in this continent, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: for srs all these roflcopters
BingoBoingo: Well that's why they call it camping!
ascii_deadfiber: also iirc the midwest was lulzy because the whole street caught fire
ascii_deadfiber: so far we don't have this here (yet.)
BingoBoingo: Nah whole street evacuated when construction site caught fire. That particular street is about 20 ish miles long, maybe 30 ish
BingoBoingo: Well, 5 mile section of street evactuated
BingoBoingo: But accidents happen when you gotta build moar nursing homes
ascii_deadfiber: incidentally i have a prediction
ascii_deadfiber: that the buildout of old folks homes etc will be re-used as психушкаs when the generation currently occupying them expires
BingoBoingo: But do психушкаs appartments typically have balconies like new-old folks homes?
ascii_deadfiber: escape risk.
BingoBoingo: So it will be the old-old folks homes converted to психушкаs
BingoBoingo: New ones all have balconies and fountains and shit
BingoBoingo: In other news apparently another soft fork no one has a srs use case for was "voted" in by miners
BingoBoingo: "Check Sequence Verify" some Peter Toddatronic thing
BingoBoingo: Described in mines as "checksequenceverify (CSV) is a group of 3 BIPs that will enable relative time locks. This will let you lock money for a predetermined period after your transaction confirms. The time can be a time measured in multiples of 512 seconds or a block count."
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 19:04 asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'
BingoBoingo: yes, but jam today lulz tomorrow
ascii_deadfiber: and, guess what:
ascii_deadfiber: 'Despite this limitation, we do have a way to provide something functionally similar to retroactive invalidation while preserving irreversibility of past commitments using CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY. By constructing scripts with multiple branches of execution where one or more of the branches are delayed we provide a time window in which someone can supply an invalidation condition that allows the output to be spent, effectively inva
ascii_deadfiber: the one thing i'm failing to grasp is how this is a 'soft' fork
ascii_deadfiber: what's to stop a miner from pissing all over the 'lock'
BingoBoingo: Because affected addresses start with "3"
BingoBoingo: And only hopes and dreams stop miner from pissing
BingoBoingo: Very likely miner pisses on this one
ascii_deadfiber: where in the bip does it say this ?
BingoBoingo: $up vc
ascii_deadfiber: re 'starts with 3'
deedbot: vc voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: ascii_deadfiber: It's their new convention. I'm assuming, could be wrong but this is how the last Toddatronic turd went
ascii_deadfiber: where, if anywhere, is this described ?
ascii_deadfiber: or did todd whisper it to BingoBoingo's ear personally
BingoBoingo: ascii_deadfiber: Address starts with 3 has been the convention for pederastry ever since multisig happened
ascii_deadfiber: i don't grasp how 'this tx is valid if $offchainsoup condition is true' is a 'soft' fork.
ascii_deadfiber: it necessarily forks the chain
ascii_deadfiber: into folks who see 'valid' and folks who see soup.
BingoBoingo: It's soft because they say so. If you want them to admit that it is hard you have to knock on Peter Todd's door naked and holding a sock full of quarters
ascii_deadfiber: BingoBoingo: only mircea_popescu has the correct pill for hardphorkerz.
ascii_deadfiber: (as described in http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol and elsewhere.)
BingoBoingo: Or you could start showing up to their homes and beating them with a sock full of quarters.
ascii_deadfiber: the transparent ploy behind the 'soft forks' and related crapolade is to try to siphon btc into corners from which it can no longer be removed with a trb node.
ascii_deadfiber: and, more generally, 'embrace & extinguish.'
thestringpuller: now recruiters are trying to solicit me on IRC now
BingoBoingo: Oh recruiters for where?
thestringpuller: My contact info on linkedin is: "Find me, under nick thestringpuller, in #trilema on Freenode. If you don't know how to use IRC, I more than likely don't want to work for you."
thestringpuller: its usually to cut down on spam, as I won't respond to recruiter inquiries unless they show up on IRC
thestringpuller: one finally did and didn't know how to use a bouncer so I can't hit him back.
mircea_popescu: in other superlulz, Emin Gün Sirer : "If the ETH community bails out the DAO (and I believe they should), we need to put in place a social wall around Slockit to avoid a repeat."
mircea_popescu: who is this goatfucker anyway ?
shinohai: Not defending eth, but how is it their fault slock.it built shitty code on top of already shitty platform?
thestringpuller: shinohai: cause they had a security audit done and still hacked.
thestringpuller: also Stephen Tual has been driven out of the Ehtereum coomoonity. He's getting death threats now much like Karpeles was.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i linked a pretty good piece yest, it's not JUST slock.it that are derps, the whole stack's rotten all the way down.
shinohai: What a faggot.
mircea_popescu: o look, he even approved my comment!
thestringpuller: i love the whole Lando Calrissian style, "IT'S NOT MY FAULT. THEY TOLD ME THEY FIXED IT." bullshit
mircea_popescu: https://pdaian.com/blog/chasing-the-dao-attackers-wake/#comment-16 << lol, 16th comment. so guy made his blog because he hopes to rescue the shitcoin
shinohai: I just noticed the slock.it dress code must be shitty thrift-store suit jackets and a tshirt.
mircea_popescu: anywya, shinohai : look for the part that says "even if coded using best practices and following the language documentation exactly, would have remained vulnerable to attack"
thestringpuller: "For the other thing, rape’s no fun if the meat’s not at the very least squiggling" from what the hacker released he wants this for when he goes on the offensive again. if that happens.
thestringpuller: he claims he wants to bribe the miners to not fork with the stolen funds
thestringpuller: so its a race to freeze the dao or buterin and slock.it are at war with someone smarter than them
shinohai: of course they are.
mircea_popescu: in general whenever you hear an animal screaming bloody murder, what happens is, that animal is being "at war" with something that you know, lives off eating them
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu playin' with his food again ain'the.
mircea_popescu: we're just discussing hypothecarily.
BingoBoingo: nice thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: i mean hypocritically.
mircea_popescu: no wait. that's not it either. maybe funkenstein could help an illiterate guy out! what word am i looking for!
mircea_popescu: hymen imperformancius
ascii_deadfiber: holy fuk BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Straight out of MIT
BingoBoingo: The inca rises with its ether
mircea_popescu: it's a fat woman isn't it.
mircea_popescu: o look, it's that thing from diablo.
BingoBoingo: It is Buterin's Inca
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who is this goatfucker anyway ? << Cornel Professor apparently collaborates with the AR-15 printing kid
mircea_popescu: oh another one of those can't light a lighbulb technologists ? color me in the nuance of very surprised surprise.
ascii_deadfiber: btw is anyone ever gonna explain the popularity of the 'direct impingement' crapolade ?
ascii_deadfiber: in the american shitrifle
BingoBoingo: Wears faster when dust so more parts and new ones get sold
ascii_deadfiber: pete_dushenski in particular, wrote lengthy praise of it, but if i had to guess i would doubt that he ever fired it
ascii_deadfiber: or cleaned.
phf got his daily does of bb
ascii_deadfiber: phf: my condolences!111 (tm) (r) (brin)
mats: i'd like to try an ar15 with piston system
mats: i usually found myself cleaning the weapon after putting out 200-250 rounds or so
BingoBoingo: mats: I think H&K makes one of those
mats: i mean, in general you should always clean after firing
mats: the things are just awful in terms of reliability
ascii_deadfiber: mats: not only clean, but, for instance, ~not~ with piss
ascii_deadfiber: kalash is quite cleanable with, e.g., rope soaked in piss
ascii_deadfiber: mats: ar is quintessentially american (in the worst sense) device. consider even the fact of aluminum receiver, alone !
mats: a clean ar, when properly cleaned and lubricated, malfunctions once or twice in 250 rounds when used with polymer magazine
ascii_deadfiber: clean one?!
mats: on the other hand, some folks report seeing no malfunctions for ~30k rounds so...
ascii_deadfiber: and the other folks don't report, because dead..?
ascii_deadfiber: worx great!1111111
mats: they're not really designed to cycle through a ton of rounds
ascii_deadfiber: i would ask 'is it instead designed as a blunt weapon' but no, because aluminum
mats: a lot of the ones in regular army service only have semiauto mode
ascii_deadfiber: so what, exactly, is it good for
ascii_deadfiber: do they even issue the bayonet with it ?
ascii_deadfiber: can use as spear ?
mats: i heard rumors they stopped training folks on the bayonet
ascii_deadfiber: and instead training on what, anal lube for surrender ?
mats: some guardsmen in this state i've talked to have never seen a bayonet irl
mats: i dunno what to tell you man
mats: its pretty rare for someone to spend 250 rounds in a firefight
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber alloyed aluminum is quite strong tho
mats: a lot of folks have gotten used to the idea that american airpower will always be available
ascii_deadfiber: not so strong that can be used as crowbar and then expect the clockwork to work.
mats: and it gets some dummies in trouble, ie, jessica lynch
mats: got complacent, didn't clean weapon, experienced malfunction ...
mircea_popescu: actually, mats afaik the "rounds fired per kill" in iraq is like 4mn or so ?
ascii_deadfiber: eh small arms weren't anything like majority of kills even in ~ww1~
mats: well we're talking about the ar
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber certainly a majority of rounds fired tho
mats: fwiw i think its practical to disable burst and auto
mircea_popescu: 30k rounds from the gau would be quite the sight indeed.
ascii_deadfiber: how do you cover-fire without auto
mircea_popescu: "we're here digging a hole to china"
mats: squad assault weapon you brought along
mircea_popescu: mats and when he's dead ?
mats: pick it up.
mircea_popescu: orly ?
mircea_popescu: what if instead of dropping where you are, it drops where he got killed ?
mats: that'd be a problem, yes
mircea_popescu: but yes, you're right, us army has more and more moved towards a "thin shit line" stance.
mircea_popescu: no strength in depth, break their charge take them all in for rape and goat herding.
mircea_popescu: much like the us police, for that matter. lafond has the whole story of "police is useless in a defensive role, which is ironic"
ascii_deadfiber: afaik ~all~ american hardware is optimized for 'we're winning effortlessly'
ascii_deadfiber: aviation, tanks (which use, what, 50L, simply to ~revv up~) etc.
mats: a lot of units don't issue polymer mags, but instead, some less reliable aluminum ones
ascii_deadfiber: genius - to make part which will lead to dead man if it bends by 1mm, out of al.
mats: procurement is ridiculous
mircea_popescu: 1mm ?
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu: it's a 'chessboard' (or what is this called in engl.?) double-row mag
mircea_popescu: yeah but srsly, 0.1 prolly jams it
mircea_popescu: i << wider than 1mm
mircea_popescu: o brother
ascii_deadfiber: lulzy, picked random photo, and it has plastic turds with cracked feed lips !
mircea_popescu: isnt' the whole fucking point of making them out of plastic that you can throw them out
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 19:49 ascii_deadfiber: that the buildout of old folks homes etc will be re-used as психушкаs when the generation currently occupying them expires
mats: 'pmag' is great
mircea_popescu: mats whatg's the reason, "democracy" aka equality aka "we don't want some guys to survive if it means the others wake up and smell the coffee" ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486391 "point of no return" is just as much self-flattery.
mircea_popescu: in general, all prb soft forks will be unwound, at such a time as judged most inconvenient to non-tmsr participants.
mats: i'm sure somebody with a vested interest in aluminum magazines made this decision
mircea_popescu: mats seems more like a desperate imperial attempt to retain relevancy.
mircea_popescu: ie, someone with a vested interest in the obsolete notion that what the army "authorises" has any sway on battlefield
mircea_popescu: and it's not entirely a "black guerilla family brings bricks of heroin home" operation
BingoBoingo: mats: Didn't they do this with the armor vest when personal purchases were making their approved fenders feel bad?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait, wasn;'t the guy blogging about how he has to fight womenz off or somesuch ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He blogs that too routinely, but you had your own okcupid kick too
ascii_deadfiber for the record had a very sour taste in mouth from the high/low-S softphork thing
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ok, but the devil is in the details! my fetlife/okcupid/collarspace/etc lulz don't read like "six years ago, disgusted witgh the process" and so on and so forth.
BingoBoingo: But he was new to the city and hadn't met all dem hawt retail bitches yet
mircea_popescu: oh i see.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, http://www.collarspace.com/photos/2431304.jpg?06212016133701
mircea_popescu: south-east asia natality clinics ftw.
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486463 << I'm only partially of the way through and I can't stop laughing.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 20:00 ascii_deadfiber: what's to stop a miner from pissing all over the 'lock'
ascii_deadfiber: as i suspected.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486413 << also. of course, "address starts with 3" is a prime target for chopping block.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 20:02 BingoBoingo: ascii_deadfiber: Address starts with 3 has been the convention for pederastry ever since multisig happened
mircea_popescu: there is no three.
ascii_deadfiber: what chopping block. none of this nonsense exists on our planet.
ascii_deadfiber: esp. after malleus
BingoBoingo: Then we bomb mars!
thestringpuller: multisig? wut dat?
ascii_deadfiber: (all your folks ~did~ build with malleus, yes ?)
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber you can still receive it.
thestringpuller: i can't receive multisig transactions
mircea_popescu: just don't send it back out, the whole thirty bitcoin churning around bullshit will die down soon enough.
ascii_deadfiber: receive how !?
mircea_popescu: much like the 4-500 btc left in capital to prop up the ethereum "BULLION DOLLAER!!111" "alternative" something-or-the-other.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber because 3 can pay to 1address.
thestringpuller: ascii_deadfiber: for segwitz and multisig output. you can reject payments until outputs are buried under enough blocks.
mircea_popescu: but yes, /me has routinely answered with "3x is not a bitcoin address, fix your implementation". ever since multisig, actually.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 20:41 thestringpuller: awesome
thestringpuller: but the 3x paying to 1x is a problem if oyu can't verify the output.
thestringpuller: so its best to bury it and say "pay me later you asshole"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 20:56 thestringpuller: its usually to cut down on spam, as I won't respond to recruiter inquiries unless they show up on IRC
mircea_popescu: re http://trilema.com/2016/pizdi/ i'm somewhat letdown that nobody asked for signatures or whatever.
mircea_popescu: $up tfoxbrewster1
deedbot: tfoxbrewster1 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up fiddlerwoaroof_
deedbot: fiddlerwoaroof_ voiced for 30 minutes.
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu: what i'm curious is how anybody will get past your whitelist
mircea_popescu: well it's a special inbox
ascii_deadfiber: (or is mircea_popescu having a penal battalion slavegurl filter)
mircea_popescu: whichever girl is in the dungeon that day has to sift through the septic tank
mircea_popescu: BUT! you have to also appreciate that while the building was well carpeted and it hosts an estimated 10k cowsies / day for a 1-200k total, nevertheless these are argentines.
mircea_popescu: this means :1. illiterate and 2. mentally dim. i'm not sure 2 can be understood by anyone who has never interacted with the subhuman population of the 3rd world, but it is this bizarre situation where speech does not serve as a condensed version of the future.
mircea_popescu: they're closer to hens, chirping to each other to stroke a mutual feeling of safety predicated on nothing in particular ; than to people describing what they intend to do and how they intend to do it.
mircea_popescu: so... i don't expect much.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, when the day comes and they wish to know why argentine = slave population, "we didn't do nuttin!!1", the documentation's there.
thestringpuller: so they hacked the DAO again and are "coming for the attacker".
BingoBoingo: $up Puercopop
deedbot: Puercopop voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller o noes!
thestringpuller: i feel like I'm watching Ocean's Twelve - Neuromancer Edition.
mircea_popescu: is that good for Butt-erin ?
mircea_popescu: aaand in other lulz : http://spynews.ro/actualitate/un-fiu-de-procuror-ia-suflat-afacerea-cu-prostituate-lui-sile-camataru-legaturi-periculoase-intre-proxeneti-si-oamenii-legii-105879.html
mircea_popescu: (famous pimp is out,
mircea_popescu: "mysterious" son of da is in.)\
thestringpuller: seems that way. eth is trading pretty high today. duno if they are just inflating the bubble to pop it later...or what have you
trinque: switching boxes.
trinque: $google This is good for Bitcoin.
deedbot: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/2a5pb6/where_does_the_phrase_this_is_good_for_bitcoin/ << Where does the phrase "This is good for bitcoin" come from ... | http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/category/this-is-good-for-bitcoin/ << this is good for bitcoin :: We Hunted The Mammoth | https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Bitcoin << Bitcoin - Encyclopedia Dramatica
trinque: $key trinque
trinque: no more mega-lags. lemme know if I'm a liar.
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
ascii_deadfiber: ty BingoBoingo.
ascii_deadfiber: ;;isitup trilema.com
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
ascii_deadfiber: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
gribble: Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
ascii_deadfiber: seems like it won't resolve here
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu ^ ?
ascii_deadfiber: meanwhile, from the dept. of definitely-not-nyooz, http://6502.org/users/andre/65k/index.html
ascii_deadfiber: ^ a 6502 with 64-bit registers.
ascii_deadfiber: and hm, trilema loads. it must merely be under titanic ddos.
ascii_deadfiber: and lel, the 'braindamaged moduli' page is now an ~unreadable 15k+mods long, on account of the ssh dump
ascii_deadfiber: and counting.
ascii_deadfiber: ^ page claims to actually be served off one of them.
ascii_deadfiber: 'The MyCPU is a "Central Processing Unit" that is completely built with discrete logic gates. Over the years the project has grown...'
BingoBoingo: I promise no great inca this time
ascii_deadfiber: http://www.6502.org/users/dieter/m02/m02.htm << monumentally slow 6502 ~MADE FROM ROMS~
ascii_deadfiber: yes, from roms.
ascii_deadfiber: gernika would probably appreciate ^
ascii_deadfiber: and apparently i was wrong, it has ~same throughput as the genuine article.
BingoBoingo wonders how fast 64 bit 65k will be supposing it gets made
ascii_deadfiber: it lives on fpga
ascii_deadfiber: if i could be arsed i'd compile it in my xilinx toolchain and see what max clock is
ascii_deadfiber: but i can't be arsed presently.
ascii_deadfiber: whoever gives a fuck - is invited to attempt this exercise.
ascii_deadfiber: though on second look i can't seem to find any src on author's page.
ascii_deadfiber: so nm.
BingoBoingo: Yeah he hasn't made it that far yet. Just has spec
ascii_deadfiber: eh anyway idea is simple enough.
ascii_deadfiber: and you can get verilog for trad 6502 without breaking a sweat.
ascii_deadfiber: just stretch the orifices. instant-Nbits.
deedbot: [Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
trinque: "encourage him to check his testicles regularly for lumps -- or check them yourself as part of foreplay"
trinque: it's like they can't even remember how sex is done
mircea_popescu: not terrible advice, that, tho. you'd be surprised how many dumb bitches think "blowjob" doesn't include the ballsac.
trinque: yeah true
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486649 << eh, script kiddies been "attacking" it all day. whatevs, not like there's anything that important there it won't take being down the occasional half hour.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 02:32 ascii_deadfiber: seems like it won't resolve here
mircea_popescu: in absolutely-not-worth-anyone-s-time non-lulz & butthurt, https://pdaian.com/blog/chasing-the-dao-attackers-wake/#comment-25 <-> https://archive.is/y519j#selection-1795.0-1807.26
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : getting owned is "off topic", especially if it happens to the mary sue of one's own fanfic.
gernika: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486665 << interesting indeed.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 02:47 ascii_deadfiber: gernika would probably appreciate ^
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486654 << the "Submissions: 3182582 Known Moduli: 2657917" part is pretty cool though. what's total damage going to be, from 20 to 56 mn or somesuch ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 02:39 ascii_deadfiber: and lel, the 'braindamaged moduli' page is now an ~unreadable 15k+mods long, on account of the ssh dump
Bugpowder: If Vessenes is on your altcoin security Mt. Rushmore, you might be in trouble. https://twitter.com/vessenes/status/745393423956455424
mircea_popescu: was mt rushmore good for security ?
mircea_popescu: i forget with the mounts.
Bugpowder: In the Top 4
mircea_popescu: lmao "smart contracts need state machine". yeah best thing that ever happened to scamcoin is this ragdoll joining up.
mircea_popescu: hopefully they mop up the rest of the jizz, make one big ball of... biomass.
Bugpowder: I have to admit, I don’t know wtf is going on with Ether, I stopped paying attention to it January 26, 2014 (last email on topic). So I just blindly concur with Emin when he says DAO is fucked.
mircea_popescu: it's not the dao that's fucked. on the battlefield of the future, which is right here, the usg.vc idiots got raped and their bowels strung out to dry on fences, and now the hot core of usgism, mit & cornell and all are fighting for dear life
mircea_popescu: and losing more men than they can replace.
mircea_popescu: there isn't going to be a us academia to pay you a pension, keep that in mind.
Bugpowder: Anyone planning on a pension is not planning
mircea_popescu: this is also true.
mircea_popescu: sooo... clinton's trove of emails actually proves the us & nato deliberately destroyed lybia. you still think she's got a chance alf ?
BingoBoingo: Is it just me or does anyone else think /r/Buttcoin is off their game trying to force their methereum meme when ether huffing is a still more lulzy way to abuse drugs?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo SA forced meme failure rate's been over 80% ever since the great cancer of 2002ish neh ?
BingoBoingo: Well apparently Trump's campaign doesn't have coffers, rumors he might quit AT the convention.
BingoBoingo: of course
Bugpowder: Trump is toast
BingoBoingo: Johnson-Weld 2016! At least they aren't as fat!
mircea_popescu: i guess if we had a bitbet this'd have gone pretty high huh.
Bugpowder: its actually a good one for bitbet too
Bugpowder: becuase that time decay makes sense for once.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is this based of that derp in the baffler or anything else ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's based on the part where he hasn't hired a campaign staff or raised any money.
mircea_popescu: ie, on the fact that washington "insiders" are VERY butthurt ?
mircea_popescu: ~nobody actually needs them to do anything.
Bugpowder: This was a good tweetstorm too
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Possibly, but backup GOP has traditional GOP ticket http://qntra.net/2016/05/former-governors-johnson-and-weld-compose-us-libertarian-party-ticket/ Still polling ~10%
mircea_popescu: i find it kinda amusing that the derps keep losing the same way, and keep going at it the same way.