hanbot: not surprisingly the top referer is trilema at ~~1000, followed by qntra at ~~600 and phuctor at ~~80. << wait, qntra's doing 60% of trilema's load *without* tits? very impressive.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Baruth skips truth, or when Jack went whack. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/02/baruth-skips-truth-or-when-jack-went-whack/
mircea_popescu: o look. logs!
mircea_popescu: hanbot qntra has BingoBoingo 's tits, what. hater.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461535 << lmao apparently somebody hasn't fully digested the lessons of history.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 23:49 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu from beloved l0lcow, https://twitter.com/hanno/status/727179938017759232
mircea_popescu: he even has a gavinesque retarded face, also. what's with all these mongoloid cheeks everywhere in the dumbass "computing co-manatee" ?
mircea_popescu: and holy shit does twitter load a lot of spurious junk.
mircea_popescu: anyway, on the off chance anyone still has a twitter account at this point, feel free to bash his head in over https://twitter.com/hanno/status/727047168037642240
mircea_popescu: as little as a link to .... o wait, check it out... hacker news beleeted the comment pointing out he was caught lying last year. loller. anyway. as much as a link to <a href=http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#selection-413.0-419.38>Hanno Böck caught lying.</a> will do
mircea_popescu: actually, lettuce make that url trend for "Hanno Böck caught lying", it'll no doubt do wonders for his career.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 23:56 asciilifeform: incidentally, didn't the derp already have a 'we did ALL the keyz' post LAST may ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461545 << nice, starting to get some serious numbers.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 00:26 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6723834688378347131962599764946917095897099 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tim Fiedler <email@example.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE99DB4C8A6980859D6C2322594C1B2CB4348ECB0F9BA3A7275285C7F3D02F7F
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461555 << ahaha, prolly great place to work, you know.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 00:31 asciilifeform: finally the ancient prophecy coming true, a genuine merger of software and conventional voodoo !
mircea_popescu: historically, stonemasons had a better time of it working for temples than gaols.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461556 << i was wondering when you'll get to that :)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 00:32 BingoBoingo: Classic trilema http://trilema.com/2013/margaritas-ante-porcos-as-it-were/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461588 << alf teh bee dog, diligently pushing people towards better os solutions. results vary.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 00:45 asciilifeform: like 'elephant' ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 00:47 trinque: tbh I'm willing to consider that if you wrote too many layers of joins and views, you chose the wrong data structure in the beginning
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461614 << ianacs, but : fwis the way all these "modern" computing stacks work, is they are made by people with absolutely no system design training, competence or understanding. as a result, they end up hand-crafting the tail. the ready equivalent would be a "new, modern" game of chess, where as the game progresses more and more moves have to be verified against a rulebook ; and then against
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 00:52 ben_vulpes: phf: i would like to hear about what kinds of misery you've found in datomic. not to doubt! never to doubt the misery of technology. but out of curiosity, and limits-finding by proxy.
mircea_popescu: an expert rabbi, and finally verification be damned, the MEANING of moves can't even be extracted anymore. all this because instead of getting very clearly fundamental principles and sticking to them, they followed the "crazy shit stick on all sides of rifle" approach, with the predictable (and predicted) result that "you fuck it, it gets heavy, and you still don't hit large side of barn". so that's exactly what happens : ea
mircea_popescu: rly game looks spiffy (on all of them!), as the data moves from kb to mb and the node count goes up and on and on, the thing (all of them!) collapses in a pile of uncaught, "nobodycouldhavepredicted" complexity explosions. and all this because idiot/voodoo expert came up with the brilliant idea of "hey, we make robot for your nuclear plant, and if it drops the pu brick you just pick it up by hand and put it back in the hopper
deedbot: [Trilema] PSA : Hanno Böck, still a deceitful shitbag. - http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/
mircea_popescu: ". like it's fucking 1700 all over again or some shit, and they're refugees from the Alchemics & Perpetuum Mobile society.
mircea_popescu: ;;google Hanno Böck, deceitful shitbag
gribble: August 2015 – The American Catholic: <http://the-american-catholic.com/2015/08/>; Big Protest In Rome Against NATO Aggression&Bombing Libya: <https://www.facebook.com/Big-Protest-In-Rome-Against-NATO-AggressionBombing-Libya-133690943377414/>
mircea_popescu: not yet huh ? aaaite.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461623 << me sobs at the alt reality where 8gb counts for really beefy. phuctor is on 1/4 tb, yo. unless it was 1/2 ? i forget.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 01:01 phf: And those proverbial millions of records require really beefy machines. 8gb of ram, fast flash drives, etc
mircea_popescu: lmao "my vodka identifies as water - therefore it is good for me!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461647 << stop globalwarming, citizen. the coming ice age is not pleased.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 02:20 ascii_deadfiber: snow, in motherfucking may.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461655 << i thought we were over this a few times ? yes, you can, many midwestern municipalities run isps, which are by and large BETTER than anything you can get in washington, which are the usual telcos.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 02:26 ascii_deadfiber: you can't even ~get~ real net in midwest.
mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/561245D928FF0843F5F346549A73B46C6836E3B2BE309DC7F6CCAFCF7F17795C << thinking about it, this is quite the example. 4096 key, correct e, divisible by 5, 11, 23, 447.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic ^ i propose as best candidate for m-r testing.
mircea_popescu: $up m0
deedbot: m0 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone have a general number field sieve implementation in anything ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.math.ttu.edu/~cmonico/software/ggnfs/ << "numbers up to 140 digits" what the everloving fuck is this bullshit.
mircea_popescu: you got computers and they work amirite ?!
mircea_popescu: apparently http://cado-nfs.gforge.inria.fr/ is what bernstein uses. except "Required software tools [...] GNU make and CMake (2.6.3 or later) for building (CMake is installed on the fly if missing. This feature requires an Internet connection.)" and then Connecting to cmake.org|18.104.22.168|:443... connected. ERROR: certificate common name `*.kitware.com' doesn't match requested host name `cmake.org'.
mircea_popescu: herpitty derp, the world works like it's on fucking fire. anyway, that exhausts my patience.
mircea_popescu: $up ascii_deadfiber
deedbot: ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461700 << tempted to link this on front of phuctor
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 08:30 deedbot: [Trilema] PSA : Hanno Böck, still a deceitful shitbag. - http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/
mircea_popescu: eh, not the place for it.
mircea_popescu: dun worry bout it, he won't be able to outlive it no matter what else he does. from experience half a decade later or w/e he'll start whining about how it should be deleted.
ascii_deadfiber: he's the 'replacement story' tho
mircea_popescu: $key hcb
ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461684 << understand what happens when you gcd against the 8ball - these are fat composites
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 08:16 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461545 << nice, starting to get some serious numbers.
ascii_deadfiber: just crapping out the oodles of small primes a typical int is divisible by
mircea_popescu: $rate hcb 1 Euloran
mircea_popescu: $v C7EC2E90D0FCDCE3BF39AC7C617BC576AAB197A30624EFE862987F72F45BD8A7
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated hcb 1 << Euloran
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461729 <<< and usg is "the replacement republic", at least in its own mind. what of it.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 11:58 ascii_deadfiber: he's the 'replacement story' tho
BingoBoingo: <ascii_deadfiber> he's the 'replacement story' tho << No, hoaxtoshi and nao petrocheese stockpiles are
ascii_deadfiber: in that the shitcocoon they spray around everything we do is quite opaque, even to thinking folk
deedbot: [Qntra] USG Stockpile Of Petrocheese Hits New High - http://qntra.net/2016/05/usg-stockpile-of-petrocheese-hits-new-high/
ascii_deadfiber: witness that ~nobody walks in asking after trb, for instance.
mircea_popescu: depends how willing the thinking folk be.
ascii_deadfiber: shit can be drilled through, but how does one know where to drill..
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "hoard's" not "horde"
BingoBoingo: I dunno, the cheese is roughly as equal as some "Americans", but fxing
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 08:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461614 << ianacs, but : fwis the way all these "modern" computing stacks work, is they are made by people with absolutely no system design training, competence or understanding. as a result, they end up hand-crafting the tail. the ready equivalent would be a "new, modern" game of chess, where as the game progresses more and more moves have to be verified against a rulebook ; and then against
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/05/qntra-s-qntr-april-2016-report/ << this right ?
BingoBoingo: The one at the top that isn't struck through is right, I the struck through I forgot to replace a value from last month.
ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461701 << by and large the alchemists, subtracting the outright fraudulent shitbags, had moar sense than these folks.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 08:30 mircea_popescu: ". like it's fucking 1700 all over again or some shit, and they're refugees from the Alchemics & Perpetuum Mobile society.
ascii_deadfiber: if the only implementation of something were in js, it hasn't actually been implemented yet.
ascii_deadfiber: because very special, own level of retardation
mircea_popescu: no but it's fucking lulzy already.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone with a box with python > 3.2 on it is willing to give http://cado-nfs.gforge.inria.fr/ a whirl (specifically in regards to the modulus in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461712 ) plox lemme know whether it even worx.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 10:19 mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/561245D928FF0843F5F346549A73B46C6836E3B2BE309DC7F6CCAFCF7F17795C << thinking about it, this is quite the example. 4096 key, correct e, divisible by 5, 11, 23, 447.
ascii_deadfiber: typical rand int
ascii_deadfiber: iirc apocalyptic did one last year
mircea_popescu: i recall him trying one
ascii_deadfiber: i do suspect that the enemy knows some factoid re prime distribution that makes factoring randints easier
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber and while on this topic : it beggars belief that bignum-as-linked-list-of-any-size-up-to-avail-ram is not a fucking standard in gcc in 2016.
mircea_popescu: seriously, i gotta say ANYTHING more than "bigint" to get this ?
ascii_deadfiber: but even without it, still not impossible
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu: there is no easy answer to ~how to represent~ them
ascii_deadfiber: it is very machine-dependent
mircea_popescu: who the fuck things these shitboxes are even computers when i get n digits eval to 0, NaN and whatever other bullshit ?!
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber IT IS NOT MY FUCKING JOB TO ANSWER!!!
mircea_popescu: why the FUCK is there a compiler AT ALL ?!?!
ascii_deadfiber: if you want anything like fast arithmetic, you're stuck with fixints, and even float barf, aha
mircea_popescu: mp lemma : any computing environment where bigints are not native is ipso facto parsed, not compiled.
ascii_deadfiber: this is what c-machine buys you.
mircea_popescu: ascii_deadfiber i don't get the speed argument.
mircea_popescu: the compiler is more than happy to make a linked list of fixints and do the carryovers as required.
mircea_popescu: fuck, you can implement infinitedigit math in STRINGS
mircea_popescu: which is how longhand multiplication even fucking works, on the basis of strings-and-regexp pretty much.
ascii_deadfiber: mircea_popescu: recall the toy cramershoup?
ascii_deadfiber: it ran in geological time.
ascii_deadfiber: because stringz.
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely no reason, nor can there be any reason, c compiler can't take two strings, such as the decameron and the collected works of shakespeare, and multiply them together, as fucking numbers, and spit out the result. none.
ascii_deadfiber: sad but tru: speed matters, in practice.
mircea_popescu: and if it won't do this, the fact that it graciously doesn't require me to write my own asm jumps or whatnot is irrelevant already.
mircea_popescu: i'd be better off with asm.
mircea_popescu: this shit is not a compiler. it's a low effort parser with delusions and pretensions.
ascii_deadfiber: i gotta go rot in hell for a bit, bbl.
mircea_popescu: im gonna have an enchilada
deedbot: [Trilema] Qntra (S.QNTR) April 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-april-2016-statement/
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/slave-labour.jpg << teh epic results of slave labour.
shinohai: ^ looks pretty tasty
mircea_popescu: $lord jurov
mircea_popescu: !v 8DD5AEEC6512709A00BA6BD58A95158D7E9499903F24C5C129C6FD7AE049D7A6
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: $v 8DD5AEEC6512709A00BA6BD58A95158D7E9499903F24C5C129C6FD7AE049D7A6
deedbot: deedbot rated jurov 1
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 08:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461623 << me sobs at the alt reality where 8gb counts for really beefy. phuctor is on 1/4 tb, yo. unless it was 1/2 ? i forget.
mircea_popescu: for space.
mircea_popescu: you know what it does, right ? apparently ram helps.
mircea_popescu pictures with impish delight phf's wtf'd face
fromphuctor: yesterday i suggested to play with ssh-keyscan
mircea_popescu: a ok
fromphuctor: today i am wondering if you ever compared the keys to see if any clone is found
mircea_popescu: you seriously should make a proper nick and register your pgp with deedbot.
fromphuctor: in particular i have the SUSPECT that router from juniper and cisco might build random keys that are not random at all
fromphuctor: that is why i suggested to test ssh keys
mircea_popescu: and yes, that's what stuff like http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ (bottom section) lead to, and is why "Public Exponent 281479271743489 is NOT PRIME ! Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !" sort of thing is in the comments on phuctor.
phf: well, perhaps he should load it into datomic
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor i dunno if you've seen the logs, but the idea to add ssh keyscan was accepted upon discussion.
mircea_popescu: phf u jelly ? :D
fromphuctor: i didn't read the log
fromphuctor: good to know :)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 19:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but he has a point ; once we get conversion going running a ssh-keyscan werker is good idea.
mircea_popescu: you're also very likely right re nat router keys. junk of the junk.
mircea_popescu: $up fromphuctor_
deedbot: fromphuctor_ voiced for 30 minutes.
fromphuctor: if you want visibility you should try openssl, openssh, libressl, openbsd ssh keys
fromphuctor: they build software to build keys...
fromphuctor: at the moment , i tried, they are not very interested in your reserach
mircea_popescu: everyone gotta eat, and the general majority of these people eats at usg.*
fromphuctor: because they think their implementation is fine
phf: mircea_popescu: just irked, there's a rare "human record" kind of data that ben_vulpes deals with that exceeds 8gb. why don't you taunt us with your hadron collider data dumps some more?
mircea_popescu: so no, i very much expect they "wouldn't be interested".
mircea_popescu: hey, this is what the internet does & is for my dear phf : taking a very reasonable statement way the fuck out of context.
fromphuctor: another thing to test when you collect ssh keys is for duplicate
mircea_popescu: fromphuctor you know, you could in principle write all this stuff yourself. if it's any good odds are it'll get accepted/used. if not, odds are you'll get a very scathing review from alf making you doubt your sexuality and other life choices.
fromphuctor: ok ok
fromphuctor: now i go
mircea_popescu: also, did i mention lisp isn't used in production anywhere today ? wouldn't want to skip a day :D
phf loses his shit
phf: no wonder all the talk of "i'll pay out of pocket!!"
mircea_popescu: yeah well, he's rich.
mircea_popescu: (anyway no, it's by no means expensive for the specs, we got a nice one-offsie on account of other business etc)
mircea_popescu: note that trilema blows the openssl attempt at legitimization way the fuck out of the water.
Apocalyptic: 12:18 <+mircea_popescu> Apocalyptic ^ i propose as best candidate for m-r testing. // I'm already working on a more approachable one, also I don't know what's with you and m-r but I don't think m-r is a good factorization algo, I was and am running p-1 , p+1 and ECM
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic heh point.
Apocalyptic: "14:16 <+mircea_popescu> i recall him trying one" // and succeeded, see ascii's rating, afaik he included the log line where I posted all the factors
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
Apocalyptic: th modulus residue I'm working on has ~ 260 digits and it seems the remaining primes are pretty big, +35/40 digits from what I see
mircea_popescu: (can anyone actually load that https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20160503.txt ? i don't see it from anywhere.)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you know, i vaguely recall there was a challenge for the "largest factor found in factorization" or somesuch ?
mircea_popescu: dunno what the record is by now, but at some point it was like 60 digits
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I can load that
mircea_popescu: weird o.O
mircea_popescu: dpaste plox ?
Apocalyptic: not a challenge but it lists some records
mircea_popescu: a nice.
diana_coman: hm, trying to but waiting on wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com
mircea_popescu: lol splitinternets. try dpaste ?
diana_coman: hopefully you can access *that* , lol
mircea_popescu: aha ty.
mircea_popescu: openssl for the lulz.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic nice mechanism for checking factoring algo claims he came up with too.
Apocalyptic: the one linked at the bottom ?
mircea_popescu: on bottom of page, yeah.
mircea_popescu: "let's pretend we're doing rsa"
Apocalyptic: will read it then
mircea_popescu: it was in your link ?
Apocalyptic: yeah it was
mircea_popescu: incidentally - perhaps a good idea would be a tmsr factorization program. something like seti@home, that people can just run on spare machines if they feel like.
Apocalyptic: indeed nice checking algo, sorta switching the usual role of d and e
mircea_popescu: as he says - perfectly fair.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu: that would be a great idea indeed, in the meantime if anyone feels like helping me factor my modulus residue let me know
mircea_popescu: yah but how would they help ?
Apocalyptic: it doesn't have to be coordinated in any way since ECM runs are totally independant, just willing to dedicate some cores
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu: download ecm from inria, compile it, run ECM with the residue I supply
mircea_popescu: incidentally, can you be induced to look into that cado thing ? it has some sort of multimachine-over-ssh thing
mircea_popescu: ah lol. same thing ?
Apocalyptic: i'm not really interested in cado or setting up such a thing
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic> mircea_popescu: download ecm from inria << url ? http://ecm.gforge.inria.fr/ ?
Apocalyptic: yeah, that's the one I use
Apocalyptic: a pitty they don't sign source archives though...
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
Apocalyptic: anyway for anybody interested the composite residue i'm working on is http://dpaste.com/2QP9HV9
Apocalyptic: if trying ECM don't bother picking B1 under 11e6
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: timeout? works fine from here
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, yes, it timed out in the end, no idea why
phf: maybe needs a 250gb machine
mircea_popescu: this is trollage.
mircea_popescu: in other news, phf's computer so fat, its foo's out the bar!
ascii_butugychag: at long last, https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/4hcvvi/200_pgp_keys_and_counting_publicly_broken/d2qvzma
ascii_butugychag: ^ they F8K3D it all!!1111111
mircea_popescu: lol riiight.
mircea_popescu: but the cool part is : derp is essentially bringing a wot-argument-by-another-name.
mircea_popescu: the republic wins.
Apocalyptic: "If you look closely, all of the keys shown on the website are only self signed." // clearly he has looked closely
mircea_popescu: i can tell by some pixels that he has.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : undefined reference to `__sync_add_and_fetch_8'.
mircea_popescu: from the glory that is nonstatic linking.
ascii_butugychag: where is this ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag a coupla hours ago i made a cursory attempt to install a factorizer lib (linked in logs). i threw up minutes later because obviously it doens't work. put out a general call, slavegirl picked up the task, installed python 4.4. wrangled for a while with broken cmake settings (pro tip : cmake is known to not correctly identifgy your python, workable hack in this case is to disable the test and manually fix the f
mircea_popescu: iles headers to correct lib reference).
mircea_popescu: then barfed 2/3 through compile. because arcana.
ascii_butugychag: https://twitter.com/Phase4_/status/727291526930272260 << RAAAAAANDOM C0rrupti0n1!!111
mircea_popescu: so she showed me the thing and i broke out in hives.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile admire the glory :
mircea_popescu: ;;google undefined reference to `__sync_add_and_fetch_8'
gribble: 56296 – Undefined reference to __sync_add_and_fetch_8 for ...: <https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=56296>; 34316 – undefined reference to `__sync_add_and_fetch_8' - Bugzilla: <https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=34316>; [SOLVED] Error while building rtorrent 0.9.4 from slackbuilds.org ...: <http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/error-while- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: EVERYTHING. from rtorrent to juce to what have you. let's break all the things!
phf: i will venture "wrong gcc version/flags" on account of that _8 there
mircea_popescu: isn't it the case that 99% of compile failures get called "wrong gcc version/flags" ? as if that does anything ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the 'consensus shapers' are all working the angle of 'these terrorists planted the keyz'
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag which is proof positive nsa did in fact plant them.
mircea_popescu: page 2 in book, "claim enemy did it!"
ascii_butugychag: as if it were in doubt.
mircea_popescu: everything's in doubt until someone gets hurt.
ascii_butugychag: watch'em vanish from all 'historic' archives of sks etc.
mircea_popescu: bit too late for that but sure.,
ascii_butugychag: soon they will be on my disk and yours only.
ascii_butugychag: and then 'they made it all up'.
mircea_popescu: the notion that usg's word vs tmsr's word has a chance in hell is lulzy.
ascii_butugychag: visit, e.g., pediwikia, re rsa factoring, it's all heninger
ascii_butugychag: and soon hanno ! i bet.
mircea_popescu: you clearly spend too much time on reddit/tardspedia/etc.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck even cares ?!
ascii_butugychag: the people who control my food and roof ?
Apocalyptic: "14:18 <+ascii_deadfiber> i do suspect that the enemy knows some factoid re prime distribution that makes factoring randints easier
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu sometimes forgets that i'm in a jail
Apocalyptic: " // I would be curious as to why you suspect such a thing
ascii_butugychag: i was hired, for instance, partly on the basis of my ancient shithub acct
ascii_butugychag: Apocalyptic: because of the 'deniable' sabotage of replacing moduli with random ints
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag in that case, let's put it in storage i guess.
ascii_butugychag: which it
mircea_popescu: $up dotblank
deedbot: dotblank voiced for 30 minutes.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: my point was that in nazi land i get ranked as simply a very lazy nazi who spends time on ???? rather than properly drilling with the other ss men
ascii_butugychag: ~same as a fella who watches 8h of tv a day, i imagine.
ascii_butugychag: it is, perhaps, why i'm still alive - if 'accidented', then, e.g., trb, suddenly becomes more interesting to a buncha folk
mircea_popescu: jesus phuctor's slow.
ascii_butugychag: 'iz zis nazi lande sooo goood ?? we would leeeeeve it, if we could!' -- 'donald duck in naziland'
mircea_popescu: et tu, deedbote ?!
mircea_popescu: $up meuh
deedbot: meuh voiced for 30 minutes.
ascii_butugychag: woah they're still coming
mircea_popescu: no doubt looking for ways to kill you in your sleep
ascii_butugychag: i suspect i've already been killed and now in a hell of sorts.
ascii_butugychag: speaking of, i'm told that latest recycled shitoshi is now being paraded on american tv
ascii_butugychag: seems like full-bore production
ascii_butugychag: what the fuck is the actual point ?
trinque: read an article yesterday about "hooray, $shitoshi can help resolve the 'block size debate'" etc
ascii_butugychag: and the man has to be a lunatic, who would sign up for this? it is like signing up as court alchemist in 17th c
ascii_butugychag: only one possible destination, the stake.
ascii_butugychag: trinque: that might be it.
ascii_butugychag: i find it strange that they wouldn't go for broke and break the idiot's dsa key for the occasion
ascii_butugychag: and create 'provable' whatever.
trinque: http://www.drcraigwright.net/jean-paul-sartre-signing-significance/ << "I have been silent, but I have not been absent. I have been engaged with an exceptional group and look forward to sharing our remarkable work when they are ready."
trinque: ascii_butugychag: the guy's going to drop fucking NSAcoin
ascii_butugychag: ahaha why not !
ascii_butugychag: mit, no doubt.
ascii_butugychag: annointed by the light of the holy one !11111
mircea_popescu: not june yet.
mircea_popescu: but yes, enemy building all teh support it can.
meuh: hi there
mircea_popescu: so this is pretty epic shit : i made http://dpaste.com/3M78HFY for alfie's own peace of mind. except suddenly and inexplicably, stuff that worked before ( like http://archive.is/EluFr ) no longer works now!
mircea_popescu: pages load forever and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: good for you meuh .
meuh: For example http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/67E9EA1CF1D38646A5B745EBCC7EEC4916C6A6DB2B76B09E635A08905F94E79B
meuh: It doesn't feel right
mircea_popescu: meuh it will report every time it sees that modulus.
mircea_popescu: this is good for tracking. it's also normal in case you sign other people's keys.
ascii_butugychag: this is correct behaviour.
ascii_butugychag: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xA3D4C5AB683984AF9F97ABBF8F042FE3B4C21938 << loads here.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag buit the archive.is is the point
mircea_popescu: it fails to load sks-keyservers ANYMORE.
ascii_butugychag: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x06BD86BFBDE0B73441D018C1A0C7E90E4625ED45 << also loads
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i suspect that i know why
mircea_popescu: it did, minutes ago. but no longer.
mircea_popescu: hm ?
ascii_butugychag: sks has the idiot new ssl thing
mircea_popescu: and it kicked in 3 minutes ago ?
mircea_popescu: observe timestamp on link in paranthesis.
mircea_popescu: 15:35:28 utc
ascii_butugychag: why are we using some rando's archiver again ?
mircea_popescu: it's easily the best known archiver on the www.
ascii_butugychag: but now see the down-side, aha ?
meuh: mircea_popescu: think i got it, the site reports "Modulus Seen Elsewhere! Please make sure these are yours:" for signatures made on other keys, and I have to check I've made those signatures with one of my key
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag it's some anon russian guy. if you think rando usg endowment is a better shot...
ascii_butugychag: meuh, mircea_popescu : this happens IF AND ONLY IF the modulus recurrs in its entirety inside another key.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the fella who unplugged Dulap-1 every weekened was also rando ru guy.
fromphuctor__: did you see this ?
fromphuctor__: new new
ascii_butugychag: ahahahaha hanno bock
ascii_butugychag: they credibility-sprayed him.
ascii_butugychag: unknown turd is now hero!11111111
ascii_butugychag: 'The first bug (mishandling of
ascii_butugychag: negative zero integers) was reported to OpenSSL by Huzaifa Sidhpurwala
ascii_butugychag: (Red Hat) and independently by Hanno Böck in April 2015.'
ascii_butugychag: check it out, mircea_popescu .
ascii_butugychag: fromphuctor__: know that gnupg never used openssl.
ascii_butugychag: so it is only relevant here in the sense described above.
fromphuctor__: ok bye
meuh: ascii_butugychag, mircea_popescu: you make me feel rather uncomfortable, it puzzle me how common modulus can appears in those keys:
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag yes yes it's in the logs.
ascii_butugychag: which ?
mircea_popescu: the herospraying.
ascii_butugychag: he appeared in a bug bulletin before ?
mircea_popescu: $up meuh
deedbot: meuh voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag the particular link noob dropped IS ALREADY IN THE LOG.
meuh: ascii_butugychag, mircea_popescu: you make me feel rather uncomfortable, it puzzle me how common modulus can appears in those keys:
ascii_butugychag: ah hm.
ascii_butugychag: meuh: do you understand why dupes are listed ?
meuh: coz' they have the same modulus ?
ascii_butugychag: say you, like a n00b might, sign the message 'yes, meet me at midnight on the crossroad'
ascii_butugychag: then someone else takes your modulus, and welds own username string to it
ascii_butugychag: and misrepresents.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: thing is not all that consistent, iirc
mircea_popescu: weird shit. anyway.
ascii_butugychag: and gpg creates dupes when folks sign one another's keys, yes
ascii_butugychag: there is no way to watch for mischief where modulus is lifted WHOLESALE, without also listing a boatload of this rubbish, unfortunately.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/alfie-teh-bee-dog.htm << so here we go, anyone desirious to keep alfie teh bee dog from his sad dissapearance fate, plox load the page an click on linx
ascii_butugychag: 'Error: Network error.'
ascii_butugychag: (on archive attempt)
mircea_popescu: ah so we're now having a THIRD sort of problem.
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy, imo.
meuh: OK, I need to investigate more (going to open again that OpenPGP RFCs) and don't waste your time. I originally tought there was a bug in the interface that was incorrectly reporting my keys as dupes because I've made a single armored export of the public key and feeds this as a single blob to the submission page
ascii_butugychag: meuh: not a bug.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i tried 4 of'em, none work
ascii_butugychag: 'network error'.
meuh: ascii_butugychag: thanks
mircea_popescu: so before it was "error handling request" ; then it was cycling indefinitely in "queue". now it's "network error".
mircea_popescu: tbh i've never seen archive.is fail before.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: and at any rate 'they planted'em in 2013! who you gonna believe, obamitler or some ru rando'
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag seeing how sks itself reports them from 2002 to whatever, 2012, i dunno. lol.
ascii_butugychag: sks will report what told to report.
ascii_butugychag: soon enough.
mircea_popescu: soon enough is, however, too late.
mircea_popescu: because, much like in the case of the miners getting caugvht with pants down, there is THIS interval right here.
mircea_popescu: and no matter what "science" derps might come up with, here it is and here it lives.
ascii_butugychag: they disappeared the fucking kaiser.
ascii_butugychag: this is small change.
mircea_popescu: you say it as if it actually happened.
mircea_popescu: stupid ho screaming "nonono" with hands stuffed in ears is still getting raped, just like any other.
ascii_butugychag: it happened just as michael hastings happened.
ascii_butugychag: or boston bomb.
ascii_butugychag: ask questions, and 'yer a nutter'
mircea_popescu: o noes, moar words ? that'll show dem terrorists!!1
ascii_butugychag: where is, i'd like to know, the rape ?
ascii_butugychag: thus far the only sore arse is mine afaik.
mircea_popescu kinda sees this future, derpy eggs on wheels going around smouldering ruins that used to be us towns, "STOP! Or I'll call you a bad name!"
ascii_butugychag: this was already pictured in some film
ascii_butugychag: i forget which. some animated shit.
ascii_butugychag: the one with the rusting junkyard robot.
mircea_popescu: nfi, but makes snese
ascii_butugychag: 'ASN1 Strings that are over 1024 bytes can cause an overread in applications
ascii_butugychag: using the X509_NAME_oneline() function on EBCDIC systems.'
mircea_popescu: $up Echoplex
deedbot: Echoplex voiced for 30 minutes.
ascii_butugychag: ebcydick lives ?!!!!
trinque: wget -H -r -l1 http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/alfie-teh-bee-dog.htm << for teh lazy
trinque: ah that didn't work; I guess that links to the "do you want to archive" page
trinque: $up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: sks is the noncooperating thing.
ascii_butugychag: every time.
mircea_popescu: trinque it hasta be clicked, because otherwise you realise, botted into the ground.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i did it like this
mircea_popescu: trinque ikr?
mircea_popescu: and in other "this worked a minute ago" news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/alfie-teh-dog-bee.htm << same, but with mit.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461579 << so yes, i appear to have fallen for what i took to be a gem but was in fact a paste replica of a gem /someone saw one time/
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 00:42 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ever play with symbolics 'joshua' ?
trinque: ah life at the end of the world
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: oh shit!
BingoBoingo: $up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: ty BingoBoingo
ascii_butugychag: somehow we missed this nyoooz item:
ascii_butugychag: ^ this is, best as i can tell, a legit key
ascii_butugychag: for u.s. disa.
ascii_butugychag: circa 1994.
ascii_butugychag: no mirror shenanigans.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://archive.is/pgp.mit.edu << full archive of the keys as found in situ
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to get the archive, base64 and deed it...
shinohai: nm it worked
mircea_popescu: and in other sourceforce lulz : http://uvatyrydili.sourceforge.net/oiqoindywhee34.html (careful, it does a redirect).
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1462128 << back in 1994 ~nobody was factoring these anyway, so prolly safe for its time.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 22:08 ascii_butugychag: circa 1994.
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461149 "Because of the positions the low quality rubes Hoaxtoshi selected for his audience " <<< priceless
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 15:26 deedbot: [Qntra] Hoaxtoshi Coninues Swindling Media - http://qntra.net/2016/05/hoaxtoshi-coninues-swindling-media/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1462135 << not the point. i want to know ~what piece of shitware generated it~
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 23:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1462128 << back in 1994 ~nobody was factoring these anyway, so prolly safe for its time.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1462131 << y'know, i already have sks archive. from 2014 even...
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 23:09 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://archive.is/pgp.mit.edu << full archive of the keys as found in situ
asciilifeform: fat lot of good it does ~now~
asciilifeform: http://shitco.in/2016/05/03/the-actual-current-state-of-bitcoin << l0l, pankkake is back ? and not wholly off the reservation, even ?
asciilifeform: or nm, was someone else ?
asciilifeform: at any rate, notbad.jpg
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-news,
asciilifeform: zoolag is back, at 22.214.171.124:8333.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but this is publicly third party.
mircea_popescu: the archive thing
asciilifeform: doesn't really get out of the problem tho
mircea_popescu: what problem doesn't it get out of ?
asciilifeform: hitler can always print, in volkischer beobachter, 'he downloaded the tarball, diddled, then deedbotted'
mircea_popescu: this is not a problem.
asciilifeform: the problem of hitler editing history
asciilifeform: i'm not aware of other problems that deedbotting archives might solve ?
asciilifeform: am i thick or what.
mircea_popescu: just particularly inclined.
mircea_popescu: "this doesn't solve the problem of the sun looking at me funny" "this is not a problem" "am i thick or what ?!" "no, you're just the sort of fellow that's decided afore the fact that the sun can look at you funny and this matters."
mircea_popescu: such problems can only be solved by the problematizer and for himself.
asciilifeform: then why bother deedbotting the archive ?
mircea_popescu: so it's there ?
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "why should i suck your cock" "because it's here" and "why should i suck your cock, because he says i'm a slut ???".
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/patches/funken_prikey_tools#BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D is working for well over a week now, if it makes any difference.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'doorknob is also here, why not suck it instead'
mircea_popescu: o.O da fguck is that
mod6: shinohai: hey!
mircea_popescu: oh right, the code reviewer thingee
mod6: i had the same reaction mp
shinohai: btcbase is fast becoming my go-to site >.<
mircea_popescu: we were kinda in the middle of things with that when interrupted.
asciilifeform: that thing is what put phf properly in my mental list of useful folk, originally
asciilifeform: i used it many times.
shinohai: $rate phf 2 btcbase.org
asciilifeform: (and in fact i have a half-written version of it on own hdd, back when i started doing it! and then he went and did whole thing himself, and i went 'neato, i dun have to no moar')
mircea_popescu: pretty cool huh.
asciilifeform: i like it when the solution to a problem is this obvious
asciilifeform: that other folk can simply... do it
shinohai: $v FFE78FDD065EC28BAE4EE3B39F5E3C8A52BEBF5DDE280133786FB5E4082EF291
deedbot: shinohai updated rating of phf from 1 to 2 << btcbase.org
asciilifeform: from the stated principles.
mircea_popescu: "obvious"... to the right people.
mod6: the nice part is that i can just click and see the vpatch too
mod6: how does one load the vpatch in there in the first place? just submit to phf?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-21#1411699 experimental though, i think the only uploaded patch is this guy http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank
a111: Logged on 2016-02-21 03:16 phf: ok so http://btcbase.org/upload now works. takes seal and vpatch and saves it to uploads patchset http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=uploads. uploads patchset inherits from experimental, which in turn inherits from stable. those who'd like to upload a patch are welcome to give it a try and let me know if it doesn't work.
phf: but so far it's been just me uploaded announced patches whenever i see one
mod6: ah. you're missing a number of the later patches, but maybe that's because it's "shiva" ?
phf: I might've missed some, but I also I've never quite settled on a working "press". I'll revisit it once log settles
mod6: no worries, just wanted to make sure you're aware.
phf: So patches might be there, but not in press, or in a wrong patchset, or...
mod6: XXX btcbase upload ^
mod6: anyway, yeah, i'll find sometime in the next week maybe to try this one out personally and rebase if required.
mod6: thanks a lot for looking through that.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, my 'ada 2012 ref man.' is here.
asciilifeform: costliest dead tree i bought in ~decade.
asciilifeform: and fully 2x the thickness of the ada '05 one.
asciilifeform: to no surprise (for folks who've been paying attention), unlike just about every other known case, the extra mass is all goodstuff
asciilifeform: in unrelated but fall-off-your-chair-gutbusting lulz,
asciilifeform: srsly i could not make this up if i tried !
asciilifeform: motherfucking exe !
asciilifeform: but they also have normal-looking tarballs? wtf.
asciilifeform: why is there a .mid music file in there ?!
asciilifeform: and a dll loader 'helper' l0l
asciilifeform: who can be arsed, go, read.
asciilifeform: BEST OF ALL,
asciilifeform: that src tarball (latest) is ~6MB, and DOES NOT INCLUDE GPG SOURCE
asciilifeform: or any other deps
asciilifeform: INSTEAD, it has a manifest list and a loader...
asciilifeform: SHA1 manifest, of course.
asciilifeform: i am done reading this.
asciilifeform: i also recommend that gpg4win henceforth be referred to as gpg4lose.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> in other nyooz, my 'ada 2012 ref man.' is here. << that's neat. thought we were leaning towards the '95 standard?
asciilifeform: no invariants !
asciilifeform: no adequate threads !
asciilifeform: no built-in necessaries, e.g., queues
asciilifeform: throw out the old crud.
mod6: ok, well, obv we need that shit. lol. just gotta buy a new book now.
mod6: which ref did you get?
asciilifeform: there is exactly 1 2012 ref
asciilifeform: but careful, don't throw out the ~rationale~ for '05
asciilifeform: the '12 is published as an addendum to it
asciilifeform: (dun ask me why)
mod6: this one?
mod6: Ada 2012 Reference Manual. Language and Standard Libraries: International Standard ISO/IEC 8652/2012 (E) (Lecture Notes in Computer Science / Programming and Software Engineering)
mod6: by S. Tucker Taft and Robert A. Duff
mod6: i did get my stripper-DFA book btw.
mod6: needed for the shelf.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> SHA1 manifest, of course. << lol. i do some shitshoveling at a place that still uses md5 and sha1 at all times.
mod6: "larger digests?shaw!"
asciilifeform: for remote loading of src ?!
mod6: well, i guess technically, gradle doesn't even rely on digests at all.
mod6: it just looks to see if there is a newer version number by filename itself in the remote repository, and if so, pulls it.
mod6: so like "foo-1.0-SNAPSHOT" v. "foo-1.1-SNAPSHOT", it'll pull that if you ask it to reload dependencies.
mod6: but if you have "foo-1.0-SNAPSHOT" vs. "foo-1.0-SNAPSHOT" with a different hash because of different build, won't care, you don't get new file.
mod6: you have to explicitly tell it to --rebuild-dependencies or whatever the fuck
mod6: oh yeah. i have bile coming out of my ears on this shit.
mod6: especially when it fucks with me like today.
mod6: guy made a name change to a fucking abstract method that I use from his package.
mod6: broke my shit, then couldn't get my shit to work until I had to refresh everything.
mod6: if only they used V.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462226 << windows world dood, be thankful it's not all in java and requiring "latest version internet exploder"
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 00:32 asciilifeform: i also recommend that gpg4win henceforth be referred to as gpg4lose.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it almost deserves to be
asciilifeform: but i initially popped it open thinking it'd be a simple port, like, e.g., gimp
asciilifeform: but no!
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'm telling you, 90% of new eulora players are on gpg4win
mircea_popescu: gimp is not run by shitgnomes, hence lisp scripting etc.
mircea_popescu: pgp has been ever since late 90s it seems.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 01:07 mod6: if only they used V.
asciilifeform: v is somewhat like ada, in that 'ugh too much pain, sweat', 'not for people!1111' etc reaction from virtually everyone you show it to
asciilifeform: there is not an escape from this, nor ought to be.
asciilifeform: i expect to see similar reactions, to, e.g., 'p'
asciilifeform: 'whaddayamean no keychain! whaddayamean specify ALL inputs and outputs'
mircea_popescu: keychain was a kludge from end to end. vaguely reminiscent of bitcoin "accounts"
asciilifeform: in no way different.
asciilifeform: same basic type of braindamage at work.
mircea_popescu: there's more kludge that needs to go. such as, internet connectivity.
mircea_popescu: and in other weirdulz : http://66.media.tumblr.com/b3bc985eb95ca3c742f4d53e84eb8d23/tumblr_n5hfdqE65J1ra163eo1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo check it out, cruz dropped out.
mircea_popescu: indiana sunk him.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, he was going on oil for a while now. carly fiorina, srsly ?! that bitch could sunk a blue chip. o wait - she did!
mod6: <+asciilifeform> there is not an escape from this, nor ought to be. << V, at least to me, seems like the way that things aught to be done. and there are no shortcuts when you're doing the 'right thing' or how something aught to be done.
mod6: further, i feel like there is a sense of pride that comes from taking the time to do something right, as opposed to doing something quick and dirty.
mod6: no one should feel bad about doing something the way that it aught to be done. unfortunately, this is not often the case with many things.
mod6: which is basically how we ended up with the entire shit-stack we've ended up with today.
mircea_popescu: $up Ciphertext
deedbot: Ciphertext voiced for 30 minutes.
Ciphertext: On the site http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored what does "Modulus has mirrored low order 32 bits mean?" Does that mean it basically is reflected, like for 8 bits 11011011 would be mirrored?
Ciphertext: If so, what implications would that have?
mircea_popescu: Ciphertext please see http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ the final part.
Ciphertext: gotcha, had to read it twice to get it, then it clicked
mircea_popescu: https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema << is this better than webirc i wonder ?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 01:44 mircea_popescu: and in other weirdulz : http://66.media.tumblr.com/b3bc985eb95ca3c742f4d53e84eb8d23/tumblr_n5hfdqE65J1ra163eo1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: https://ritetag.com/hashtag-stats/bitcoin << and speaking of data miners, check out the wot-esque graph they got going.
deedbot: [Qntra] Next US President To Be A Clinton - http://qntra.net/2016/05/next-us-president-to-be-a-clinton/
asciilifeform: re neutron thread ^^
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> indiana sunk him. << Aha, Rush Limbaugh is going to be very mournful tomorrow. He really tempered his Trump support these past few months after he helped birth this incarnation of the Clinton Monster.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nice find
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: scored some of what appears to be the fiber from earlier thread from this fella. might come in handy at some point.
deedbot: [Qntra] Phuctor Factors United States DISA Key - http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/
asciilifeform: sooooo here's a thought. perhaps esp. for mircea_popescu. usg luuuvvvvvvs puttin' neutron alarms everywhere. but what if the ... other side... set off 100,001 of them at once, on day x, with, e.g., pocket farnsworth's devices?
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1321909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Alan Cox <firstname.lastname@example.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B2DC689E312DF7B25F1C5A190A8A7470AA5A605E3FFDAA204E1F3C86B810167
mircea_popescu: https://slashdot.org/submission/5827727/public-key-associated-with-us-defense-information-systems-agency-factored << win
BingoBoingo: Not on front page yet, but if we all astroturf, they'll prolly surrender and run it.
BingoBoingo: "reader oriented" operated by a friendlier variety of spamzors than last ownership group et al.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to what end ?
BingoBoingo: Drowning them in noise?
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate the "information wants to be free" "legalize dope" etc angle, but i dunno what exactly is the idea. anyone seriously intending to administer anything will have a ban on moving plutonium around.
BingoBoingo see more the inflicting costs angle. Gotta check out all those alarms.
mircea_popescu: i guess. seems pretty sophomoric.
BingoBoingo: $up distemper
deedbot: distemper voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Most ways of pricking the beast are sophmoric. Graffiti is sophmoric but they gotta spend to clean it up or they lose face.
mircea_popescu: with grafitti it's more a matter of execution whether it is or it isn;t
BingoBoingo: Even shitty graffiti if it persists projects the image "they" aren't in control.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but even if tomorrow you're the king and queen of earth, you'll be stuck trying to control pu shipments, want it or not.
mircea_popescu: it's one of those.