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deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Be careful what you roll for. -
ben_vulpes: << this sits poorly with me too, ftr
a111: Logged on 2016-04-30 23:47 hanbot: <jurov> and re:holding s.qntr your concerns are misplaced. No one expressly forbade me to flip/short/margin/whrtever them, then there was gracious donation from princessnell who lost her key cand could not think of any way how to prove her identity otherwise, etc... << err, if "she" lost her key, how'd she prove it was her that lost it?
ben_vulpes: so princessnell can't up, because can't keys. what of it, ergo "not princessnell".
ben_vulpes: but this is all kind of moot, because at the end of the day, jurov is simply on the hook for princessnell's shares, should someone with her key ever come along to claim them.
ben_vulpes: this is banking
ben_vulpes: jurov now has the (enviable?) privilege of determining the likelihood that the call will be exercised, and adjusting his reserves accordingly.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5174413344875007990519123187618500139954995264909695897020209972309881454541 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Texas Instruments Inc. <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5174413344875007990519123187618500139954995264909695897020209972309881454541 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Texas Instruments Inc. <>; ' -
shinohai: <<< that looks like a turd with legs.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 03:37 BingoBoingo: The amazing load bearing capacity of the human spine brought to you by Beyonce
mircea_popescu: phf : could a111 answer to !s "string", on the basis of ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform egi hosting, known malware host.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (and happily detect, e.g., neutron flux) << it undermines peace you see. for some definitions of peace which reduces to "usg makes all the war"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (does everybody understand why scintillator ~fiber~ is neat, while the commonly-available scintillating plastic blocks are nearly useless for rng ?) << essentially, quantum antenna.
mircea_popescu: anyway. certainly good candidate for s.nsa product list, to be sold anonymously for btc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> mod6: the baked-in presumption of webtardism is almost insulting << it is insulting, not to us though. think about it : the crab has pincers because in its environment THAT WORKS ; and so does "GET /blog/blog-config.php~".
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> jurov now has the (enviable?) privilege of determining the likelihood that the call will be exercised, and adjusting his reserves accordingly. << somethinglikethat.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (2595+210)/1807875*100
gribble: 0.155154532255
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (210)/1807875*100
gribble: 0.0116158473346
mircea_popescu: so depending on how you figure, there's 1.55 bad moduli per thousand ; of which 0.11 are outright factorable, the rest mostly bad exponents.
asciilifeform: << holyshit, nontrivial factor. and see the 2 mods side by side, and will see why...
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 11:20 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5174413344875007990519123187618500139954995264909695897020209972309881454541 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Texas Instruments Inc. <>; ' -
asciilifeform: << you don't need photomultiplier tube with the fiber, aha.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 14:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (does everybody understand why scintillator ~fiber~ is neat, while the commonly-available scintillating plastic blocks are nearly useless for rng ?) << essentially, quantum antenna.
asciilifeform: subtract $1000 or so, and no need for hv, and no wear...
asciilifeform: so yes, 'antenna'
mircea_popescu: espcially because it amplifies well. 1km fiber, ~1mn x value of 1 mm fiber.
asciilifeform: collimates, in practice. but yes.
mircea_popescu: holy shit it's modern.
mircea_popescu: sig 2537030E 2015-08-23
mircea_popescu: Version: SKS 1.1.5 Comment: Hostname:
mircea_popescu: there was some sort of large scale diddling of germany
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: there seems to be no use made of it. i was tempted to make this into a qntra piece, but...
asciilifeform: ti is famous for that 513b key in the calculator
mircea_popescu: but is this it
asciilifeform: which was factored by buncha folks the old-fashioned way
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: briefly back to the fiber, from what i saw last night, one would need about 20cm for ideal rng.
mircea_popescu: the irony here being that it's not SO hard to make.
mircea_popescu: certainly not chip-hard.
asciilifeform: drawing fiber is only slightly easier than chip fab
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're thinking "every sperm is sacred" style. think al schwarz "i really dun care if i waste 99% of the glass" style.
asciilifeform: but elaborate..?
phf: << yah ascii already asked for the feature. I was moving between apartments, so will go back to hacking in a day or two
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 14:43 mircea_popescu: phf : could a111 answer to !s "string", on the basis of ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, this being unknown unknown. but as an example : take hard porous material (say, metallic carbide), cut into thin slice, heat to 3k, pour melted glas on top, let some of it find its way through necessarily open pores (ceramic is thin), select from the results usable fibers.
phf: I think ! conflicts with deedbot though
mircea_popescu: phf what do you keep doing to these women that they keep kicking you out every three weeks.
phf: !s foo
gribble: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. you need the fiber to be straight, or if will kink to death when transported.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gravity makes it straight.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also recall that scintillator fiber is plastic
asciilifeform: glass is not correctly dopable afaik.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you use plastic and adjust temp correspondingly.
mircea_popescu: you just wanted me to step into the dark. i did.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you don't have controlled constant diameter, you lose the total internal refraction and it aint fiber nomoar
mircea_popescu: tungsten carbide. no plastic will alter that pore.
mircea_popescu: it will extrude steel.
asciilifeform: no, but it will stretch while hanging molten under it
mircea_popescu: you fill the underside with gas at pressure so exact same density as fiber.
mircea_popescu: then you extrude it electromagnetically or w/e.
asciilifeform: and now mircea_popescu has correctly described the usual $100m apparatus...
asciilifeform: 'devil is in the details'
mircea_popescu: i dunno...
mircea_popescu: anyway, let it be said for the record that if anyone wants to move here and do the job, and we can keep costs within sanity, i'd definitely considering making a plant and exporting the product freely
mircea_popescu: just for the public relations embarassment of publicising this fact.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is really begging for a wtf unconventional wunderwaffen, think:
asciilifeform: or did you already guess it
mircea_popescu: no, i'm begging.
mircea_popescu: is it ok to beg in #trilema or notrly ?
asciilifeform: find way to dope standard plastic fiber, already born....!
mircea_popescu: (in my mind the foremost role of this place is exactly - begging for unconventional wunderwaffen)
asciilifeform: for you do not need whole thing to scintillate!
asciilifeform: it is enough for the cladding to.
mircea_popescu: you want to just take fiber and coat it ?
asciilifeform: well, not simply coat
asciilifeform: need a little penetration
asciilifeform: but yes.
mircea_popescu: ;;google material that neutrons excite, emits photons on deexcitement
gribble: Nuclear isomer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Gas-filled tube - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Overview-Lattice Energy LLC Gamma Shielding Patent US 7893414 ...: < (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically speaking, thermalizing neutrons may take them to visible spectrum. but this wouldn't count would it.
asciilifeform: it is painfully catalogued, just not on pediwikia
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope cause he dun reflect
mircea_popescu: anywya. my solid state is dusty. i dun recall what all this was.
asciilifeform: if i had $$$, would try to score some existing scintillator and put it through ms and get their dopant.
asciilifeform: you cant hide the periodic table.
mircea_popescu: this sounds more like a job of "if i had the she-thieves" than $$$
asciilifeform: thieves work also
mircea_popescu: anyway. let's leave this in mod6's ticket tree somewhere offscreen for nao.
asciilifeform: but will need 2 of'em, since i no longer have access to mass spec
mircea_popescu: actually i'm surprised not more radioastronomy effort is put into this. imagine if you will : array of a few million km long fibers, arranged inside a cylinder, in layers by angstrom thichness from 1mn on the bottom to 1 A on the top, in a circular pattern at 0.001 rads apart each.
mircea_popescu: you need 3141 * 10**6 * 10**3 meters worth of fiber, and you get the best damn measure of background neutron radiation ever made.
ben_vulpes: pediwikia suggests polyethylene naphthalate as scintillating plastic
mircea_popescu: (my crude idea being that according to wavelength, the neutrons will be captured top to bottom)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is tho
ben_vulpes: why the neutron requirement?
asciilifeform: where do you think i was playing with it
asciilifeform: it was in astronomy expo
mircea_popescu: lol wankery is one tyhing, but afaik no such observatory exists ?
asciilifeform: exists here at uni
asciilifeform: they launch balloons in antarctica
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes neutrons are interesting for the reason explained in alf's link : they only exist as result of activity of a select set of materials/conditions
asciilifeform: with a km or so of fiber in
mircea_popescu: suns don't yield them, supernova, quasars and black holes only
asciilifeform: and pu brick in next room aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guess where that comes from.
asciilifeform: which that
mircea_popescu: or in related news : guess oh dear reader why the sun is mostly nickel/iron by mass
mircea_popescu: and by "sun" i mean "earth" for all the difference this makes.
asciilifeform: reader went to third grade, presumably, and knows...
mircea_popescu: i suspect nobody really went to YOUR third grade, alf.
asciilifeform: eh l0lk
mircea_popescu: and you'll have to desist with that, by the way. yesterday girl burst into tears in subte because i went "you don't understand fractions. pick up a third grade book, or at least it was third grade in romania, whatever highschool / college course it is in english, and study fractions."
mircea_popescu: I BLAME YOU.
asciilifeform: what kind of gurl was it
mircea_popescu: tall, yeah
asciilifeform: poor critter
mircea_popescu: tall, pretty thing. small tits, but that's easily fixed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, not that poor. unlike the rest of her misfortunate sisters, at least she has someone to say "you may not be a person until you learn fractions".
mircea_popescu: everything else is poverty.
asciilifeform: the chick with the fiber, incidentally, was pretty, but mircea_popescu would prolly have said 'pankakeface'
mircea_popescu: it'd be sad if we all liked the same ones neh ?
mircea_popescu: (incidentally - THIS is fundamental illustration of "republic may not exist if rules are homogenous". historical republics failed on the basis of people agreeing as to what's beauty in women.)
asciilifeform: at any rate it blew me away that it exists not even in 'ebay', where you could at one point buy even radium
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usg is very worried about it, because think about it - unshieldable missile target.
mircea_popescu: and they lost the missile war.
asciilifeform: aha, trivial to make 'neutron camera'
mircea_popescu: this would allow nuke sub detector to unerringly destroy all the subs. that's the last hope, now that carriers aren't worth their weight in bull viscera.
asciilifeform: i could do it with a few hundred metres of it
mircea_popescu: could tow cable, detect all nuclear subs.
mircea_popescu: turns out they're really VERY vulnerable, who knew.
mircea_popescu: da fuck you're gonna shield, glwt.
mircea_popescu: anyway. if memory serves this became obvious during late 70s / 80s faroe islands gamewars with the russians, resulting in us subs doing all sorts of lulzy, dangerous, landhugging
mircea_popescu: as well as a programme to deploy pu decoys on ocean floor. tho a) russians map the shit and b) so wtf does it do for you anyway.
mircea_popescu: no idea where that's at by now, and i suspect everyone involved would much rather not even look at the discussion.
asciilifeform: pu decoy can only fool ordinary neutron sensor
asciilifeform: the kind with tube
asciilifeform: fiber - laughs, aha
mircea_popescu: but yes, for the slow, THIS is what they mean by "undermine peace". the us doctrine is that its ability to strike is roughly speaking equal to "world peace", and this makes any sort of us "projection" unfeasible.
mircea_popescu: thus, undermines [what's left of] "world peace", as the usg defines the term. this after the 2000s saw the underminiung of the other chunk, with china, russia and now iran making carriers useless.
mircea_popescu: the mirror relation between "world peace" and "bitcoin" in its treatment in usg agitprop sources being, of course, striking.
asciilifeform: 'pax americana' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: but yes, with fiber, could have robotic hunter of subs and carriers.
asciilifeform: hell, autonomous.
mircea_popescu: and could consist of a 100kg batyscaph with some fiber towed, a sort of intelligent depth charge
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to find you across the atlantic, just lock on you if you come within 100km
asciilifeform: drop from airplane.
mircea_popescu: quite. create interdiction zone, o noes.
ben_vulpes: aaaaah
ben_vulpes: it's disturbing how hard this conversation is making
asciilifeform: quite the gift.
mircea_popescu: hey i thought you were busy vulpes.
ben_vulpes: already wrote three tests this morning. making coffee and wanking over scintillation for a spell.
mircea_popescu: (re interdiction zone : yes, subs fire icbms, so have range. but they're not orbitals, and interdiction zone can be practical things such as "a ring around either end of panama canal, down by terra del fuego and up by newfoundland, for instance)
mircea_popescu: just in case anyone in argentina is both a) smart enough to know that #trilema logs are more important to his country than anything happening in spanish and b) interested in wtf would someone care about fauklands.)
asciilifeform: incidentally you can pick up nukez from the air, easily enough
asciilifeform: with neutronography
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sort-of an application of my above cylinder.
mircea_popescu: detects MOVING source.
asciilifeform: other phun phakt,
asciilifeform: nyookz are routinely transported by ordinary road in usa
asciilifeform: (and possibly britain, and elsewhere)
asciilifeform: in unmarked containers.
asciilifeform: usg luuuuvs to know at the borders if you're pissing neutrons (note what price of helium on the market did in past 20 yrs. us dhs bought up most of it, for tubes)
asciilifeform: but really does not relish the prospect of pocket neutron camera.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementary re interdiction range, if you set up no-go zones you can herd the ship into a kill.
asciilifeform: so it does not matter whether it has rockets.
asciilifeform: (which are ~worthless unless ~unpredictably in motion~)
asciilifeform: 'animated powerpoint!11111'
ben_vulpes: from the annals of perverse technology reuse:
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: famous
asciilifeform: ru jet-powered snow blowerz
ben_vulpes: look i didn't grow up on usenet it's nyoooooz to me
ben_vulpes: plus not in log can't possibly be famous.
asciilifeform: pretty sure it was in logz at one point
jurov: i do remember it being discussed too
jurov: and it's not only russian, sop in all countries with snowfallfall/melt/freeze cycles in winter
jurov: ...that also have railroad
ben_vulpes: mhm well let me know when you find those other loglines
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> look i didn't grow up on usenet it's nyoooooz to me << your third grade sucks compared to his third grade!!!
ben_vulpes: dude my third grade was waldorf
mircea_popescu: nowai ?!
ben_vulpes: fucking /life/ has been remedial study.
mircea_popescu: waldorf-astoria you mean ?
ben_vulpes: yes i grew up in ahotel
ben_vulpes: just call me eliose
ben_vulpes: eloise*
ben_vulpes: do you know how we were taught about conduction?
ben_vulpes: the school had a copper rod
mircea_popescu: "My mom did the beds. I did the bedwarming. A memoir."
ben_vulpes: (of startling diameter, in retrospect. musta cost a fortune.)
ben_vulpes: teacher lined us up, holding the rod, and applied a torch to one end.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nothing wrong with that neh ?
ben_vulpes: sure, if it'd happened before 5th grade.
ben_vulpes: kindergarten, maybe.
mircea_popescu: uh. no, actually, in my country physics = 6th grade, they spend a year doing such stuff.
ben_vulpes: with the math, right?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: did you folks do the neon tube thing ?
mircea_popescu: old style curricula actually included machined piece of various metals, large chunk with varying thicknesses, with movable screw connectors. with voltmeter and amperemeter, you could measure the material.
ben_vulpes: attitude towards math during my tenure at hippieschool was "oh, you finished the long division worksheet? oh uh let me go photocopy some more."
mircea_popescu: had to confirm the given tables etc.
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mircea_popescu: the idea was quite deliberately to make connection with liquid flow etc, the next year bernouli discussion contained EXACT SAME PROFILE
mircea_popescu: except of glass.
mircea_popescu: then you measured pressures.
ben_vulpes: yeah, once i browbeat my parents into moving me to a school with a decent physics and math program things picked up.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes amusingly enough, in ro the difference is made as "real" vs "humane" schools.\
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo turns out it bbet is still on kako's box
mircea_popescu: bitchez usually ended up in the humane schools.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda too lazy to deedbot a list of the various spots in logs where the fact that bitbet keeps no logs was discussed. seems about 99 and 3/4% that the whole point there was to create an entry point for later parallel construction, "o look what bitbet logs show".
mircea_popescu: except, of course, any bitbet logs are an ulterior fabrication, they never existed prior to march 2016.
mircea_popescu: lulzy shit, anyway. complete with sig that used to be someone coming back from the dead, apparently not quite sure what its nick is.
asciilifeform: znort ?
asciilifeform: and afaik nobody's trotted out any imagined logs yet
asciilifeform: or mircea_popescu is thinking of znort's having asked for them, aha
mircea_popescu: "asked".
asciilifeform: ah that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah, no fake logs appeared yet. and miner conspiracy no longer exists, also. and things.
mircea_popescu: thanks god for science and stuff.
asciilifeform: toldya hitler will buy it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to bridge this discussion with the kaiser wilhelm "disappeared" daily telegraph interview discussed last week :
mircea_popescu: the reason you do not want to discuss anything with hitler, such as for instance in the shape of hitler's own propaganda magazine "interviewing" you is that they aren't interviewing you. what they are doing is trying for a "o noes scandal and wilhelm lost all his support" piece. if it works, they got it, if it doesn't work, "it never happened".
asciilifeform: entirely typical.
mircea_popescu: they work for who they work for, and that's that.
asciilifeform: i was actually interviewed by a hitler organ as a young man
asciilifeform: re diebold voting machine protest.
mircea_popescu: the pill against this, of course, being to force them to conduct their interviews here. which means that our logs publish better material faster than they do. which means that we > them.
asciilifeform: it took precisely this scheme.
jurov: ;;later tell BingoBoingo pls to doublecheck the figures on qntra report, the figures are hysterically off
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and if they're not willing to eat his cumbiscuit, it's clear why : they aspire to go political in the manner discussed above.
asciilifeform: aha we had this, iirc, with the reuters chick
mircea_popescu: and this is why i won't talk to any of them, unless in this manner.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but it's been years.
asciilifeform: (lulzily i was working for reuters at the time and had to keep from laughing/gagging)
asciilifeform: (they bought the outfit i was in at the time, hilarious story for another time)
BingoBoingo: jurov: fuck
mircea_popescu: aaanyways. very strict dilemma : either you're a derpy magazine looking to give some material to your readers, in which case the interview being published in fuill and first on the logs does not bother you in the slightest ;
mircea_popescu: or else you're in the business of trying to shape public discourse for hitler, in which case the above is unacceptable, and you've blown your cover.
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of this, which is why them ignoring #trilema is a forced mistake.
asciilifeform: handily going with this observation is that phuctor is more or less 100% successfully blacked out on the net
asciilifeform: ~0 real traffic.
mircea_popescu: i see it.
asciilifeform: i am, incidentally, readying the 8ball.
asciilifeform: (not the fortune-teller toy, the ~other~ one.)
mircea_popescu: that's really about ~all that matters. you see, who reads their fake "scientific studies" is irrelevant. because they're neither studies nor scientific, and so is a complete pill, and controls the topic.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, who reads our scientific studies matters, in the sense that they're actual science. not only valuable but actionable. not reading = death.
mircea_popescu: "oh it'll take too long" is, essentially, the defense of the cod in scania sounds.
asciilifeform: jurov: loads
jurov: Loads. But says It's not just you! looks down from here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his point it loads for youk, or me, but not
mircea_popescu: which is what we were discussing :)
asciilifeform: aha, mega-unsurprise
asciilifeform: gotta love the blackhole.
ben_vulpes: zarbee!
asciilifeform: where, i suspect, the only folks able to connect to the trb node on same box are also us.
asciilifeform: (when even this)
mircea_popescu: ;;google phuctor
gribble: No Such lAbs: <>; Loper OS » Phuctor: Fun with Public-key Cryptography.: <>; random - Offline RSA strong prime test similar to Phuctor ...: <>
asciilifeform: ;;googleviavirginalproxy phuctor
gribble: Error: "googleviavirginalproxy" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;google phuctor&tbs=qdr:w
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
asciilifeform: what's that do
mircea_popescu: shows last week
asciilifeform: phuuuuuuuuuuuuuulllll spectruum d0000000m1n4nc3!1111111111111
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that takes me to a search box with the word in it
asciilifeform: and that's all
jurov: curl: (7) Failed to connect to port 80: Connection refused
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hit enter?
jurov: ^phuctor
mircea_popescu: i guess they got rid of simple get req's
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pretty sure we got a few 8192b by now
asciilifeform: jurov: loads here. you might be on the wrong side of Great Firewall or wut.
jurov: no, i tried curl from aws
asciilifeform: l0l!!!!
jurov: or you block aws?
mircea_popescu: possibly aws is blocked tho
mircea_popescu: was some flooding/ddos earlier.
asciilifeform: iirc i do.
asciilifeform: i banned all aws from everything i operate
jurov: perhaps is on aws, too. from a vps it works
asciilifeform: quite possibly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzy
asciilifeform: 'no one is talking about it except for you, stfu'
asciilifeform: 'and we have bridge to sell'
asciilifeform: incidentally google has crawled the thing obsessively
mircea_popescu: anyway, what's your definition of "Real traffic" in "<asciilifeform> ~0 real traffic." ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had the http logz scrolling in a terminal since hour 0
asciilifeform: they dun move much.
asciilifeform: except when google crawled, and that s4mz0r earlier.
mircea_popescu: well what's your idea of much.
asciilifeform: dozen or so humanlike loadz / day.
mircea_popescu: well what's your definition of humanlike
mircea_popescu: jesus this is like pulling teeths.
asciilifeform: things that don't go fetching robots.txt first
mircea_popescu: plenty of bots actually don't.
asciilifeform: (which is why i never bothered with robots.txt)
asciilifeform: point being, i'm not certain anyone other than #trilema folk, and crawlers, ~even saw it~.
mircea_popescu: well... and if saw, what'd they understand.
mircea_popescu: certainly conde nast isn't publishing anything matching "phuctor" string ever again.
mircea_popescu: which isn't such a bad idea - spares either side the aggravation.
mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh this silence seriously enhances teh value of phuctor, at least to my eyes. imagine, i can link something from trilema that's not just interesting, but actually exclusive content ? sign me up lmao.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, BingoBoingo what'd be your thoughs about qntra editorial policy whereby people are referenced in articles as John Q Random (WoT:<a href=>jqr</a>) or John Q Random(WoT:unperson) as the case may be ?)
mircea_popescu: perhaps to be doubled up with a rule that all corporations are referenced as Name (MPEx:<a href=>Name</a>) or Name (Scam) as the case may be.
BingoBoingo: sounds interesting
asciilifeform: unrelatedly,
asciilifeform: or perhaps not,
asciilifeform: 'Alice in Icy-land: A story for children. ... Full-color illustrations, not signed. Scores of advertising booklets have capitalized on the idea of “Alice in [whatever]-land” (“Alice in Brown Sugar Land” is another favorite.) Most, like this one, have little to do with the original story, but manage to draw upon it in some way. This booklet promotes the (continued) home use of ice refrigeration at a time when electric refriger
asciilifeform: ators were taking over the market.'
asciilifeform: 'The booklets were given away to children, this copy by the Union Coal and Ice Co. in Chillicothe, Ohio. '
asciilifeform: when can we expect fiatola booklet.
asciilifeform: '...and in their Air-ship gaily flew / to foreign lands the whole world through, / to learn how Ice protects our food / And works so greatly for our good! / She learned from Mr. Kangaroo, / From Penguins, Bears, and Walrus, too, / Just read this story, / And you'll see / What Ice has done / For you and me! '
ben_vulpes: "half of my advertising budget is wasted, i just don't know which half."
mircea_popescu: i dun get it ?
mircea_popescu: oooo check out gernika hehe
mircea_popescu: i don't get this whole "protesting" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: what happened to "hire security, wait for protesters to come close, beat the shit out of them with a spiked club and piss on the piled up remains" ?
mircea_popescu: this is the historical solution to the mob problem, "if you're in range of the fascia you were protesting too close". wut happened.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only done re orcs. in usaschwitz protesters are part of ecosystem, cultivated to prop up illusion of 'controversy' and 'political process!111'
asciilifeform: and when there are too few,
asciilifeform: they are bussed in.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have to appreciate, i have absolutely no patience.
asciilifeform: necessary furniture.
asciilifeform: they are part of the orchestra.
asciilifeform: rather than some external pollutant.
mircea_popescu: i'm not gonna fucking sit in a car while whatever shitshow progresses.
asciilifeform: well these weren't pr0t3st1ng around mircea_popescu's castle, were they now.
asciilifeform: they were around a professional huckster's.
mircea_popescu: good choice on their part.
asciilifeform: as invited furniture.
jurov: does this work anymore?
mircea_popescu: i think it's still deedbot-
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: anyway, jurov, im thinking closing f.mpif.
jurov: you haven't decided yet?
asciilifeform: hanbot will need nyoo j0b or wut
jurov: lol i thought it's already done and named it "closing" statemnt
mircea_popescu: jurov well, i dun see how or why it'd be carried.
mircea_popescu: practically, its closing means wiping 235`013 shares and 51.57856632 btc off coinbr account ; minus 0.31561326 btc your reward. that makes sense ?
jurov: yes
mircea_popescu: alrighty.
jurov: oh noo
jurov: not 51 BTC
jurov: 2.46084932
jurov: yes, i bought almost everything back
asciilifeform: (unrelatedly, the product of the first million primes weighs less than 3MB !1111?)
mircea_popescu: ima have to review the history of this thing, how did it go, you started with 100k shares and 10 btc then got more shares over time ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, 3mb is a lot of digits neh.
jurov: mircea_popescu: i started with 50 BTC only
asciilifeform: too many for the lamer gpg format, yes
jurov: no shares
asciilifeform: (it maxes out at 65535 bit)
asciilifeform: 8ball is gonna have to go in the werker
asciilifeform: as specialcase.
mircea_popescu: jurov ah i recall at some point you being short and me adding more ? or no ?
jurov: you bught shares off me once or twice
mircea_popescu: ah right, that's what it was, refinanced you for shares. right.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'll be re-reading teh statements and issuing a closure for f.mpif.
mircea_popescu: seems so far you're the only PC that made profit huh ? not bad, 20% of the class.
jurov: well, the risk was much lower
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dun get it ? << /ME guesses a sock of that chick with the lady boner for you
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be cheaper if she just did my laundry ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, << trilema crits bitfinex for over 9k, bifinex shill pretends to not understand what a crit is and whether >9000 is larger than epsilon or not.
mircea_popescu: this strategy has worked so well in the past ; hopefully it continues in the indefinite future.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: - - [01/May/2016:21:01:09 +0000] "\x16\x03\x01\x00\xFF\x01\x00\x00\xFB\x03\x03W&Rp\xCBB\x9C\xD6\xF3\xB7\xA9\xCBKLw2\xB6\x12l"
asciilifeform: l33333333333333333333337 1d10tz luuuv
mircea_popescu: is that something ?
asciilifeform: nfi what
asciilifeform: there was another, similar, from same.
mircea_popescu: lotta crud on teh web.
asciilifeform: prolly some webtard 'sploit.
asciilifeform: - - [01/May/2016:21:01:09 +0000] "\x16\x03\x01\x00\xFF\x01\x00\x00\xFB\x03\x03W&Rp9\xCC\xC9>\xBC] <<<<< the other one, for completeness.
asciilifeform: (via davout)
davout: also ohai
davout: wrong chan, derp
davout: <<< the steering wheel is pretty cool!
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 02:32 asciilifeform: in other 'news', << in a museum (hands on right hand side are of pet). one of the machines on exhibit was gettable into
davout: <<< without atc there's pretty much no instrument flying possibru
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 02:50 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm quite convinced that the difficulties of air traffic are artificial.
mircea_popescu: "le kg" le lol.
davout: mircea_popescu: i lolled at the champagne towel
mircea_popescu: le quite.
davout: i had nfi "kako de porc" was even a thing
davout: in other news i'm moving to the south of france, i'm absolutely fucking done with living in paris
mircea_popescu: toulouse better ?
davout: i like toulouse a lot, lived there for six years, but i think it's going to be in the country around nimes/montpellier
davout: kinda want to go into hermit mode in an 8 bedroom country house
mircea_popescu: 8 bedroom = you + 14 slavegirls ?
davout: an au pair will probably be an easier sell
mircea_popescu: hence 14. 7 au pairs.
davout: heh
davout: i want space, and a nearby airfield
mircea_popescu: anyway. paris sucked ass last i saw it, so myeah.
davout: i don't mind paris for business, but really, it's no place to live in, especially with kids
davout: the only time of the year where it actually is livable is in august, when all parisians are away
davout: otherwise it's either overcrowded subway, or overcrowded road, or risking your life on a motorcycle to ditch the traffic jam
mircea_popescu: this is kinda how "civilised" derps go the world over. "oh i don't mind la for business, but really, unlivable". so they all move to SF, 30 years later, "oh, i don't mind sf for business, but really, unlivable". so they all move to seattle. then it';s "oh, i don't mind seattle for blabla", move to portlant. next year...
davout: well, the point is not really to change cities, it's to gtfo of them
mircea_popescu: but i like living in a city.
mircea_popescu: i don't like it being a democratic city, is all.
davout: aha
mircea_popescu: livable city = 50% of population is virgin females < 30 in chastity belts, living on 3rd floor 4 to a room and weekly spankings.
mircea_popescu: ie, london cca 1716.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's called a maid.
mircea_popescu: the old people, and the poor people, can gtfo live in a village near nimes. send the daughter over, will be ok.
davout: meh
mircea_popescu: &boys can gtfo make a name for themselves in the merchant marine or w/e. india.
davout: i like the idea of sending the kids outside to learn from mother nature instead of mother tv, and having the horses around instead of having to suffer a 30km drive to get to ride
asciilifeform: l0l 8ball gives interesting results in local test
asciilifeform: the folks who have essentially random integers as moduli, spew out plenty of additional factors
asciilifeform: (these show up as large composites, naturally, in the gcdification pairwise with the 8ball)
asciilifeform: about to deploy this, in anger.
asciilifeform: 8ball of 1st 1,000,000 primes' primorial.
asciilifeform: for starters.
asciilifeform: 3... 2... 1...
asciilifeform: << ftr. moment just before the shot. 210 phucked mods.
asciilifeform: get ready folx
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 403313317318821859750535 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Robert J. Hansen; Robert J. Hansen <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 182832462865993 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Marcus Benjamin <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 2170305244995418399 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Simon Lange <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1871 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'The Analog Guy <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 674958405690847 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Dominik Rapp <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 15840794732765264190181401 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Ismael de Moura Costa (email pessoal) <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 23575449579707350695686745 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shell Arkell <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 657289641865783142059 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Thomas Scholz <>; Thomas Scholz <>; Thomas Scholz <>; Thomas Scholz <>; Thomas Scholz <>; Thomas Scholz <>; Thomas Scholz <>; Thomas Scholz <>; Thomas Scholz <>; Thomas Scholz R
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1546372910513771 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Henry Irish <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 72420566035941919 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'M_Schmidt Admilon <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 22930830398683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Jeremy Low <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 233569718471699769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Miguel Gonzalez Alvarez <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6509 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Cyber-Tom <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 281478094093520933679 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Carsten Lenz <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 235007 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ';; ' -
asciilifeform: that aint all
asciilifeform: still jizzzzzzzzzzing
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 13878493307003 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Jeffrey P. Heuer <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 13000600393 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '*** !!! DONT USE ME !!! (Mantra lost) ***; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 19610292397124469 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Julia Reda <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1163936137487 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tobias Michelis <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6827145163571310526472467 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital (1.0.7) <>; Charly Avital (1.0.7) <>; Charly Avital (1.0.7) <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 20893655 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'addyGIRL <>; ' -
asciilifeform: some will be new factors for previously seen mods
asciilifeform: this is normal
mircea_popescu: first 1mn primes... what's the 1mth prime ?
asciilifeform: 15,485,863
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 57333518447653 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Heiko <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 168608 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Trustcenter_EU <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9788558223833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Alexander O. Yuriev <DataLink BBS SysOp>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 83086849 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'simplesecure <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3723097783 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Sandip Bhattacharya <>; Sandip Bhattacharya <>; Sandip Bhattacharya <>; Sandip Bhattacharya <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 13665696880823521 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Matthias_Schmidt <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1118385754444484075 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Leonardo Zillo Monte Xillo <>; ' -
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3207713 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Karen Bender <>; ' -
asciilifeform: 1414.872s.
asciilifeform: notbad.jpg.
asciilifeform: wait till we do 10mil...
mircea_popescu: this doesn't recurse does it ?
asciilifeform: whatddayamean
mircea_popescu: prime could appear multiple times./
mircea_popescu: $up crayon
deedbot: crayon voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: doesn't explicitly recurse, no
asciilifeform: but if it appears multiple times, it will show up 1nce.
asciilifeform: and determining remaining timez, exercise for reader.
mircea_popescu: and now it doesn't ping for me.
asciilifeform: it pings, and i have shell open there
asciilifeform: but no www.
asciilifeform: interestingly.
asciilifeform: there it goes.
mircea_popescu: ah now it came
mircea_popescu: Known Shared Factors: 284648957608675 1118385754444484075 << yeah i guess once a modulus starts showing these, readily reduced by intertested reader.
asciilifeform: the wholeFUCKINGreason we are seeing folx with random ints as rsa mods
asciilifeform: is that it is not so difficult to factor these.
asciilifeform: hence somebody 'helped' so kindly, a number of folks, to generate'em.
asciilifeform: << snapshot of current state, ftr.
asciilifeform: ^ use by anybody who sees blackhole etc
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 23:37 asciilifeform: << ftr. moment just before the shot. 210 phucked mods.
asciilifeform: the next exercise prolly ought to be:
asciilifeform: to search for the idiocy where a diddled or simpleminded pgptron wants to generate an n-bit key, and so it craps out a n/2-bit prime and then gets next prime after it and multiplies.
mircea_popescu: overengineered.
asciilifeform: this exists.
asciilifeform: known, in the wild.
asciilifeform: factorable in ~constant time.
mircea_popescu: still, low priority-sh
asciilifeform: i think this is where we got that ti key.
asciilifeform: and remember folx, this Definitely Never Happened!111 (TM) (R)
asciilifeform: any of it.
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun.
asciilifeform: witness the silence from the 'kompyoooter insekoooority' komyooniti.
asciilifeform: 'nobody uses pgp.'
asciilifeform: 'and if they did, nobody broke a key'
asciilifeform: 'and if someone broke, it didn't really happen'
asciilifeform: 'and this here german chick did it in 2010'
mircea_popescu: eh fuck em. what community.
mircea_popescu: there's millions of them buzzing and the miracle of the first secure computer has yet to be seen.
asciilifeform: self-licking icecream cone.
asciilifeform: this 'community.'
asciilifeform: betcha it'll vanish within the hour.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzy, a good bit of traffic, but rating permanently welded at '1'
asciilifeform: or hm, i have nfi.
asciilifeform: kinda lulzy, it was on frontpage for a few min, looks like, then manually (!) lowered into latrine
asciilifeform: $up Birdman
deedbot: Birdman voiced for 30 minutes.
Birdman: Hello, im just here to read
asciilifeform: where'd ya come from, Birdman ?
Birdman: Fellow eulorian, was around b-a sometimes too
asciilifeform: ah. have fun
mircea_popescu: alf is cute when excited :)
asciilifeform: mostly a snoar so far.
asciilifeform: "GET /humans.txt HTTP/1.1" << l0l
deedbot: [Qntra] No Such lAbs Phuctoring Harder Than Ever -
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 451.39, vol: 1220.84749747 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 448.293, vol: 2216.06661 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 451.47, vol: 4174.91672794 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 454.97, vol: 0.15 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 454.253625, vol: 16098.60880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 451.95, vol: 308.9699291 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 451.4452, vol: 7.0300301 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 453.044215707
mircea_popescu: check that out, stackoverflow got this datamining of users down to a fine art huh.
mircea_popescu: it's not even irc, what is it, some sort of java thing ?
asciilifeform: some lamerism.
asciilifeform: getting reddit folk at 2-3/sec.
asciilifeform: fatlottagood they do.
asciilifeform: a few submitted keyz, so not wholly waste of bw.
mircea_popescu: at this rate you'll end up a traffic analytics expert :D
asciilifeform: lelxpert
mircea_popescu: hey, one of the best natural cocksuckers i ever encountered was a that-expert.
mircea_popescu: i think her mommy had her with a constrictor snake and she had a square bone in her neck.
mircea_popescu: nononono, traffic ANALYTICS!!1
mircea_popescu: very different expertise.
BingoBoingo: Opposite expertises
ben_vulpes: square?
BingoBoingo: DiaperCube(TM)(R)
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