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trinque: deedbot- can again happily fart transactions (into trb!!)
ben_vulpes is pleased
ben_vulpes did nothing
trinque: still working on the upload step, which may require altering or adding an RPC. gettransaction just tells number of confirmations, not what blockheight that was, and it's not as though I can call two RPC transactionally
ben_vulpes: i see you over there
ben_vulpes: thinking about databases
ben_vulpes: having expectations of the poor turd
trinque: perhaps after shiva has destroyed the old world and created a new one
trinque: big thanks to funkenstein for his importprivkey backport patch
trinque: maybe consider regrinding and resubmitting that one
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punkman: on this week's theme of provable crypto, here is Koblitz making derps all butthurt
assbot: Computational Complexity: The Koblitz Controversy: A reaction ... ( )
assbot: On Post-Modern Cryptography (essay) ... ( )
assbot: in theory: 2007-08-26 ... ( )
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asciilifeform: << in keeping with the principle that there must eventually appear a heathen perversion for each thing in tmsr.
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 12:06:30; punkman:
asciilifeform: (there are at least two deliberately bastardized wots, for instance)
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 08:52:12; punkman: on this week's theme of provable crypto, here is Koblitz making derps all butthurt
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2014 17:22:35; asciilifeform: that many of the titles bear a striking resemblance to each other. "Adaptive Mesh Analysis" reads one and "An Adaptive Algorithm for Mesh Analysis" reads another. Dividing the total remaining by the average number of repetitions halves the list again. Mozart disappears before your very eyes.'
asciilifeform: ^ mark tarver
assbot: Logged on 20-09-2015 00:07:08; asciilifeform: (from the mega-classic )
punkman: asciilifeform: a heathen perversion for each thing in tmsr. << which thing, g?
asciilifeform: looks more like a very misunderstood v
asciilifeform: back to koblitz thread, i actually met gasarch, he taught (still teaches??) at my old school
asciilifeform: seemed like a decent fella
asciilifeform: but koblitz attacked his meal ticket, yes
asciilifeform: k's essay was really about 'fits in head'
asciilifeform: and, on the other side, the ludicrous, when seen from outside, deluge of pseudomathematical claptrap that now passes for 'computer science research'
asciilifeform: this hammer hit me in the face the first time around (as a young man, when i had notions of actually making a living in that field, and recoiled in disgust, having encountered something quite similar to what is described in tarver's and moldbug's essays)
asciilifeform: the second time, just recently
asciilifeform: i took an interest in 'provably hard' crypto
asciilifeform: and found... the thing that koblitz describes
asciilifeform: there is no 'provably hard' ~anything~ available, the WHOLE MOTHERFUCKING FIELD is, as far as the eye can see, pseudomathematical turdmeistery
asciilifeform: the triumph of 'ordinary science' as described by kuhn.
asciilifeform: millions of mediocrities collectively bukkakeing onto paper.
asciilifeform: on the bright side, in the ancient comment threads, we find the inevitable articulate crackpot! :
assbot: My Biased Coin: How Mathematicians View Computer Science? ... ( )
asciilifeform: Anonymous said... 'NSA began to remove public key crypto implementations from weapons in about 1991. Sandia cryptographer Gus Simmons suggested to NSA and Sandia that NSA replace the shift register-based Benincasa algorithm in the ctbt data authenticator with public key. I was ordered by my supervior, Dr John Holovka [chemist] to explain what Simmons was talking about.
assbot: 404 (Page Not Found) Error - Ever feel like you're in the wrong place? ... ( )
asciilifeform: yne%20Tutors%20RSA%20and%20NSA.htm While I was project leader of the missile secure cryptographic unit in the 1980, NSA cryptographer Brian Snow gave some of us Sandians a lecture on NSA crypto units. Snow showed actual devices and schematics. Snow also commented on field failures. NSA algoritms I saw were based on shift register and combinatoric algorithms.
asciilifeform: ^ whole thing, for posterity.
asciilifeform: this is a 'rule of law' crackpot!
asciilifeform: quite prolific
asciilifeform: actually thinks that usa runs, or ever did run, on laws! 'same for all' (tm) !
asciilifeform: quite lulzy: schmuck spent years trying to put, e.g., Brzezinski, in jail
asciilifeform: filing complaints left and right
asciilifeform: and was so very confused, when u.s. federal judges would inevitably and inexplicably 'lose' his complaints
asciilifeform: or remand them to the court of the rubbish bin
asciilifeform: 'Without this technology our legal project would fail. The feds usually win. Let's see what happens.'
asciilifeform: Wednesday November 7, 2007 09:26.
assbot: Payne and Morales v. Minihan ... ( )
asciilifeform: sued nsa.
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asciilifeform: ^ re: the 'Benincasa's algorithm' thing.
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asciilifeform: many lulz, such as,
asciilifeform: 'Iran demonstrated its suspicion about the source of the leaks, when it arrested Hans Buehler, a top salesman for Crypto AG, in Teheran on March 18, 1992. During his nine and a half months of solitary confinement in Evin prison in Teheran, Buehler was questioned again and again whether he had leaked Teheran's codes or Libya's keys to Western powers. Luckily Buehler didn't know anything. He in fact believed in his own sales
asciilifeform: pitch that Crypto AG was a neutral company and its equipment was the best. They were Swiss, after all. [3] Crypto AG eventually paid one million dollars for Buehler's release in January 1993, then promptly fired him once they had reassured themselves that he hadn't revealed anything important under interrogation, and because Buehler had begun to ask some embarrassing questions.'
asciilifeform: 'it cost $300,000 per nuclear bomb to recall bombs to Pantex to remove and repair Sandia's failing semiconductor chips.'
asciilifeform: mega-l0ltr0n, whole thing worth reading.
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mircea_popescu: "Alpha releases of the Keybase app are starting to come with a cryptographically secure file mount. It is brand new. And very different." da fuck is this shit.
mircea_popescu: "Public, signed directories for everyone in the world You can now write data in a very special place: /keybase/public/yourname"
mircea_popescu: i wish the idiot circuit would write their release document as to be meaningful to people rather than appealing to goats. da fuck am i going to read out of that windows950-esque screenshot other than "hey, windows 95!"
mircea_popescu: "Every file you write in there is signed. There's no manual signing process, no taring or gzipping, no detached sigs. Instead, everything in this folder appears as plaintext files on everyone's computers. You can even open /keybase/public/yourname in your Finder or Explorer and drag things in."
mircea_popescu: who exactly wants this ? other than fucking nsa, of course, as per usual. ("but mr goldstein, you SIGNED that child porn. whadda ya mean it's an automatic process you don't control.")
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 13:16:34; asciilifeform: the triumph of 'ordinary science' as described by kuhn.
mircea_popescu: and to turdcherry the shitcake, all these nobodies on a stick run around spewing wholly delusional notions of expertise and amateurship. just don't ask them to put it to any sort of actual test.
mircea_popescu: ahh, such the reading list in log this morn. nice.
mircea_popescu: << understand, a fucking field where something as commonplace as differential cryptanalysis is "classified"... every SINGLE FUCKING PERSON of human composition to ever EVEN CONSIDER the matter came up with differential cryptanalisis within the fucking day. because what the everloving fuck. as a 10yo playing with 10yo girls i came up with it. just how fucking hard c
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 13:17:23; asciilifeform: millions of mediocrities collectively bukkakeing onto paper.
mircea_popescu: an it be already.
mircea_popescu: then someone discovered every other year and they had to run around strongarming ibm and whatnot to not explain why the fuck the sboxen must be diddled just-so.
mircea_popescu: there's this very strong undercurrent of farmer mind fighting against the complexity of the world through denial and fetish worship, if you look at it. WHY must entirely banal approach be secret ? perhaps for the same exact reason children playing spontaneously errupt in "it's not fair like that", to fix the necessarily broken rules of the GAME they are playing so it's playable a little longer ?
mircea_popescu: could it be that the only way lowbrow pigborn with delusions of centrality and leadership could continue pretending like he has "a good handle" on things with his schemes derived on looseleaf papers, ever so similar in contents and consistency to the ever-genius schemes of the broke if consummate las vegas gambler, horse race expert etc ?
mircea_popescu: the whole field is essentially a commune of technicians trying to run a factory. because the last time they saw a scientist or an engineer they were about 5 and one visited the zoo.
mircea_popescu: (and for the record, for they of anthropological curiosities - there's an entire cvasi-science in the notes of technicians running the early infrastructure of hte industrial revolution. it's a shocking if fascinating mix of all sorts of things.)
mircea_popescu: reads more or less exactly like modern crypto.
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assbot: First woman in Tennessee to enlist as combat engineer goes AWOL ... ( )
mats: I don't understand this push to get women into combat units
mats: backed by such nonsense as, 'Israelis do it just fine!11'
assbot: Military leaders: Register women for draft ... ( )
mats: what, people forgot modern combat loads are maiming a nontrivial percentage of dudes that deploy for nine months?
mats: when they are fucking ~mounted~
trinque: mats: just the cancerous notion of equality working its way through
trinque: why make ISIS come here for our women when we can just hand them over
mats: a swinging dick would rather leave cover and drag a wounded woman to safety and treat her wounds than return fire
mats: exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do.
trinque: yeah, I can see that
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trinque: !up ascii_butugychag
mats: if your dumb ass gets shot, you're going to get ignored until its convenient for the unit to treat you
mats: killing the enemy is the first priority, always
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 15:39:50; mats: a swinging dick would rather leave cover and drag a wounded woman to safety and treat her wounds than return fire
ascii_butugychag: see, modern us army is, among other things, a machine for making female brass
ascii_butugychag: and right now aspiring brass have problems securing promotion because 'no combat experience'
mats: yes
ascii_butugychag: so yes, mats gets to die gallantly so a butch lesbian can captain a carrier
thestringpuller: mega-l0l
mats: in an alternative timeline
ascii_butugychag: what was that wheelchair chick's name, i forget.
mats: never even fired her weapon in contact
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 14:03:13; mircea_popescu: who exactly wants this ? other than fucking nsa, of course, as per usual. ("but mr goldstein, you SIGNED that child porn. whadda ya mean it's an automatic process you don't control.")
ascii_butugychag: mats: aha
mats: too cute to be pow
ascii_butugychag: how many died to save her
ascii_butugychag: whole platoon ?
thestringpuller: they put that chick in an episode of scandal as herself
thestringpuller: jessica lynch is pop culture now.
mats: god forbid americans see what real war is like, a white woman being gangraped by goatherders
ascii_butugychag: hell, more often by own side.
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: some more snorefest fodder for you
mircea_popescu: mats> backed by such nonsense as, 'Israelis do it just fine!11' <<< israelis do it just fine BECAUSE it is mandatory.
mircea_popescu: women, like it or not, deliver much more/better in situations of lower optionality.
thestringpuller: women in mossad are scary for that reason.
assbot: GCR - Trends - France to pave 1,000km of road with solar panels ... ( )
mats: and when woman has to hump 120lbs up mountain, down, back up again in 24h?
punkman: solar freakin roadways! strikes again
ascii_butugychag: mats: she doesn't have to. ~you~ will carry her pack.
mircea_popescu: actually this isn't even a terrible idea.
mircea_popescu: not in the sense of "let's embed current, fragile solar panels into roads", but in the opposite sense : we're currently creating this surface out of basically refined scum, which we keep clean all year round. could there be some shit embedded so at least it powers the traffic signals ?
mats: ascii_butugychag: as I recall, only a handful died taking the hospital
mircea_popescu: something like "if you add this sort of gravel at 5.45% instead of normal gravel, you have an optimal chance of some of the cells connecting and powering hte side rail. because no, it's not gravel per se."
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> hell, more often by own side. <<< own side can't usually be bothered. goatherder females much juicier.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: reminds of the boondocks: "I was looking for bitches, but they had they carpet shit all over them and I couldn’t see what they look like. All that was really exposed was they eyes. And that wasn’t enough for me ‘cause you know, shit I’m lookin at they eyes and they eyes could be pretty and I take off their carpet… and then I got a tragedy."
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the lawsuit crackpot linked earlier was, imho, pure gold. he was genuinely convinced that rule-of-law was a thing! and kept picking, picking at the cracks in it, utterly mystified that every single judge 'lost' his papers, etc
ascii_butugychag: i'm kinda surprised they never had him shot
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag he should have documented it better.
ascii_butugychag: then again, his last post was dated '07
PeterL: if I have more than one key in gpg, is there a way to tell it which one to use for signing stuff?
assbot: B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: PeterL yes either set it up as default or specify it in command line. see manpage.
ascii_butugychag: ^ glorious
ascii_butugychag: incidentally the nist turd linked earlier was pure gold
ascii_butugychag: usg is really getting desperate to get folks off rsa
mircea_popescu: nsa WITH A WORKING BLOCK CIPHER ends the game.
mats: what 'ends the game'
mats: oh, s.nsa
ascii_butugychag: which game ?
ascii_butugychag: the one usg is playing is about asymmetric crypto, mainly
ascii_butugychag: or, more correctly speaking, the prevention thereof.
mircea_popescu: "What really bugs me, however, is how much publicity Koblitz has managed to get out of this. "
mircea_popescu: ahh this is fucking epic.
mircea_popescu: "What really bugs me, however, is how much publicity Koblitz has managed to get out of this. I see him invited to give talks at many venues, but never see anyone invited to present a counter-argument. (For that matter, I don't see invited speakers at cryptography conferences poking fun at the cryptographic work that mathematicians do.) This does not matter so much when Koblitz speaks at a TCS-venue (any intelligent cry
mircea_popescu: ptographer knows that his arguments are overblown), but I think it matters greatly when he speaks in front of an "outside" audience.
mircea_popescu: For this reason, I thought publication of his article in the Notices of the AMS was inexcusable. Even worse, this latest incarnation of his essay goes beyond being a mere "academic" argument and degenerates to name-calling and belittlement of an entire field and all the people who work in it. (And it seems pretty clear that his feelings extend beyond crypto to CS at large.)
mircea_popescu: As promised, I have written a letter of complaint to the editors of the Notices. I don't know if it will get published (it is also a bit long), but it is available here (pdf) or here (ps) "
mircea_popescu: prepare for a fucking wave of that as an entire construction of circular shiteating is getting unwound.
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: so netsec d00d here (who isn't a real cryptographer by any means) linked this >> in relation to "not using RSA" for reasons XYZ
thestringpuller: "Here are several reasons you should stop using RSA and switch to elliptic curve software:"
mircea_popescu: "Anonymous7:04 PM, August 31, 2007 The minute TCS becomes the mature mathematical discipline that you are dreaming of, I am out of the game." << and guess where anon works.
mircea_popescu: "1. My conjecture: all scientific areas do have the "incremental results" problem. Does any one have any data supporting the hypothesis that CS (or TCS) has a higher percentage of "incremental results" published in respectable journals/conferences? If not, Koblitz' criticism is only as valid as "there are few women in CS," which though correct is hardly CS' own problem.
mircea_popescu: 2. As someone pointed out in a comment from My Biased Coin blog, is "incremental results" such a bad thing for the advancement of science that one has to "criticize" in the manner that Koblitz did? As far as I can tell, the great Euler published quite a few "incremental results.""
mircea_popescu: ahahah o god the butthurt.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker - euler figured out how to sum integers to infinity while he was a teen. where the fuck is YOUR early work that you can incremental upon
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag thanks for those sweet, sweet delicious butthurt tears. made my morn.
mircea_popescu: "Actually, mathematics does have a "fast publication cycle" alternative -- which is to put papers on the arXiv. This works very well in practice, and in fact a morning ritual of most research mathematicians is to browse the arXiv mailing form the night before in his/her area. After a few months in the arXiv, hopefully generating some useful comments and criticisms, the paper would finally be submitted to a journal. " <
mircea_popescu: < we have the b-a log, it works barely.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the lulz are circa '07
mircea_popescu: "This essay relates to a recent article of Koblitz & Menezes (Cryptology ePrint Report 2004/152) that ``criticizes several typical `provable security' results'' and argues that the ``theorem-proof paradigm of theoretical mathematics is often of limited relevance'' to cryptography. Although it should be obvious that these claims are utterly wrong, we undertake articulating this triviality. In particular, we point out so
mircea_popescu: me of the fundamental philosophical flaws that underly the said article and some of its misconceptions regarding theoretical research in Cryptography in the last quarter of a century."
mircea_popescu: "and this is ok, because we are philosophers nao".
ascii_butugychag: they are saying: 'fuck you, WE ARE the field'
ascii_butugychag: and they aren't wrong about this.
ascii_butugychag: lysenko - won, here.
mircea_popescu: this is sorta like bureaucrat in collapsing empire scenario, gets bitchslapped by gangster, goes into I AM JUDGE !!!11 mode.
mircea_popescu: no bitch, you're an accountant. shut up and eat it.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag they are no such thing. notice that when i want something, i squarely ignore their field as per and so on.
assbot: How to deal with pseudoscience ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: " In general, we believe that rigorous analysis is, by far, the best way to study reality. Moreover, in the case of cryptography, this general principle is more important than in any other discipline." <<< check out mathematiphilosophician, discovered an inequality!
mircea_popescu: "x is the largest number, and in particular y is larger than x!"
ascii_butugychag: does mircea_popescu recall the eotvos thread ?
ascii_butugychag: can ignore pissants, but cannot conjure a honest research community into existence.
mircea_popescu: that shit could be straight out of voltaire however.
mircea_popescu: the exact phrase, "in general X and in y especially so X" has been in use since at least the late middle ages.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag but the pissants have NOTHING TO DO with honest community either way.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: they are scar tissue.
mircea_popescu: yes not fucking ugly women won't conjure pretty ones up. so ?
mircea_popescu: your very cosmic idea of the world is inadequate in my eyes. nobody said that there is ONE playing field, and if there were one, that the pissants'd see it.
mircea_popescu: in general, there isn't one. in the rare cases when human genius couples with dilligence and creates a SINGLE playing field, the pissants are unaware - generally deliberately.
mircea_popescu: "The foregoing assertion is based on the realization that cryptography is focused on adversarial behavior"
mircea_popescu: i can't read this inept shit. who writes liek this ?!
ascii_butugychag: guess who !
ascii_butugychag: !s speak with one voice
assbot: 2 results for 'speak with one voice' :
mircea_popescu: well, a copywriter who found himself locked in a "math teaching" job, like that girl in my class i recounted the story of.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: there is not a single unified 'playing field', no. what there is, is a torch carried by maybe 3-5 people at a time. ever.
mircea_popescu: ever, pre-crypto, v, and all that.
mircea_popescu: in this sense there was no literacy pre books, either. this is not a property of the world.
punkman: PeterL, why does that sig look so short?
PeterL: hmm, dunno?
mircea_popescu: looks like a sort of what is it, erdos number hackathon ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL is your key 1kb or somesuch?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: nonono
PeterL: 4096?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it's their try at... vtronics
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag take the first thing that came to my eyes. so dedekind and fourier are ENTIRELY separate nodes ? you swear to this ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the thing is only as good as the record
mircea_popescu: there isn't a woman anywhere they waited to take turns on, they never waited on each other to return books to library, nothing, vacuum ?
mircea_popescu: the thing is as good as pressed shit.
ascii_butugychag: i did not say it was good !
ascii_butugychag: just that it was sitting there.
ascii_butugychag: 'ugly chick'
mircea_popescu: to answer the original q : i am vaguely familiar a bunch of different such schemes were entertained by people with varying degrees of competence.
mircea_popescu: but not familiar with this one in particular.
ascii_butugychag: pretty complete re: modern folk
ascii_butugychag: e.g., brin the elder, is in there
ascii_butugychag: and the man he apprenticed under, and so on
mircea_popescu was looking for the easy "no, one was born a year after the other died", but neway.
mircea_popescu: had an entire "point still stands" thing prepared, but i guess not needed now!
PeterL: bah, It is a 1042 size key, with a 4096 sub
mircea_popescu: you are a noob.
PeterL: yes :(
mircea_popescu: make a proper new key an' obsolete the old one for safeties.
mircea_popescu: besides, it'll teach you how to correctly obsolete keys so you don't need them to expire anymore.
PeterL: what is proper way to obsolete old keys?
mircea_popescu: use the old one to certify the new one in all instances you care about, sign a dead key notice with the old one, drop it in the sea.
mircea_popescu: in that order.
ascii_butugychag: dead key notice in the human sense ?
ascii_butugychag: or the idiot pgp revocation cert sense
mircea_popescu: in whatever sense he desires.
mircea_popescu: when in doubt, both.
mircea_popescu: "The CRYPTO community's typesetting abilities are not spared, nor is Oded Goldreich's spelling." ahaha.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag who's "in theory" blogshit, ?
assbot: Luca Trevisan | Cryptography ... ( )
ascii_butugychag: wats this
ascii_butugychag: looks like some intro to crypto uni course
mircea_popescu: <<< ahaha is this our friend the drastically inept if wildly agitated katz ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag luca trevisan, crypto guy
mircea_popescu: dude, the redditards should make a bitcoin academia. with stolfi, katz and bogawan what's his face.
mircea_popescu: would be epic.
ascii_butugychag: and l0l, seem like he still works there
assbot: Error | UMD Department of Computer Science ... ( )
ascii_butugychag: pgp key returns 404...
mircea_popescu: there is little better to do with one's time than mockfully torture The People Who Would Want.
mircea_popescu: they're a special breed.
mircea_popescu: "Well, Steven Rudich has fewer than 30 publications if you discount double-copies of conference/journal publications (""), but he just won this years Godel Prize, so I think that qualifies him as a "top researcher".
mircea_popescu: Is Rudich actually an active researcher?"
mircea_popescu: admire the union mentality. "this woman is really hot, all the men want her" "yes but does she show up regularly at the female equality club ^H^H^H^H^H church ?"
ascii_butugychag: see tarver's 'mozard vanishes'
mircea_popescu: you are only a REAL soviet if you spend your time wit hthe pravda and at the parades/meetings etc.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2014 17:22:35; asciilifeform: that many of the titles bear a striking resemblance to each other. "Adaptive Mesh Analysis" reads one and "An Adaptive Algorithm for Mesh Analysis" reads another. Dividing the total remaining by the average number of repetitions halves the list again. Mozart disappears before your very eyes.'
mircea_popescu: he can't be an "actually" thing because "actually" thing is given by participation in the official scheme to certify the reality of the delusions of the people that would want!
mircea_popescu: and this analytical device works quite well. is trump an ACTUALLY incumbent ?
mircea_popescu: "he never had a chance". o yeah ? why not ?
mircea_popescu: it's i suspect the principal pipe through which the sheep that aren't exactly stupid transfer material from future back into the past.
mircea_popescu: ancient history to it, too. "is this blessing good or not ?" "it's great. except if in the future things happen, in which case it WILL RETROACTIVELY HAVE NOT ACTUALLY BEEN A BLESSING!"
mircea_popescu: this is like throwing away the summaries in confusion and reading the original tardstalk text plain just to see. i have the exact same feeling - these people are uniquely stupid. what the fuck did teh education do for them again ?!
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: anyway, to not unwarrantedly attack a whole nominal group : there are sane people too. an example "Well, he also references Bacon's Novum Organum as justification for "rigorous analysis" in cryptography, by which he apparently means theorem/proof analysis. To my knowledge, that work essentially describes how to conduct empirical scientific experiments to gain knowledge, and does not support the claim that the former ki
mircea_popescu: nd of analysis is the only acceptable methodology e.g. for cryptography, and that its results should be blindly adhered to as truth about the world especially when they contradict plain common sense, as K&M claim they do (not saying whether the latter is true or not, just that it doesn't address this)."
mircea_popescu: anyway. enough of this wankery.
ascii_butugychag: heroes hang when traitors triumph (tm) (r)
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the folks in question are the 'unique brand of stupid' because this is ~MANDATORY~ if you want to make a living doing what they do.
ascii_butugychag: i know this is hard to see from the dirigible.
ascii_butugychag: ahahah this is just too good
ascii_butugychag: 'Without dissecting Koblitz’s arguments point-bypoint
ascii_butugychag: (which I will be happy to do upon request of the editors), let me assure those readers that
ascii_butugychag: proofs in modern cryptography are as meaningful as proofs in any other area of mathematics. Can
ascii_butugychag: a scheme that has been proven secure still succumb to a real-world attack? Yes, but this does not
ascii_butugychag: invalidate the proof. (A proof of security is always given with respect to a particular definition of
ascii_butugychag: security; a given definition is not necessarily appropriate for all possible environments in which a
ascii_butugychag: scheme may be deployed.) Are most (but not all!) results in cryptography conditional? Yes, but
ascii_butugychag: this has also been shown to be inherent until the P vs. NP question (one of the seven “Millennium
ascii_butugychag: Problems” of the Clay Mathematics Institute) is settled. Do mistakes happen? Occasionally, and
ascii_butugychag: with more frequency then we might like. But this surely does not eradicate the importance of
ascii_butugychag: having proofs in the first place.'
ascii_butugychag: or better still
ascii_butugychag: '...y, I have never been able to understand why any mathematician would discourage the
ascii_butugychag: use of precise definitions, rigorous proofs, and formal reasoning in any field.'
kakobrekla: < this actually very much reminds me of 'midnight in paris' fallacy
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 03:26:49; assbot: Logged on 04-02-2016 23:40:10; kakobrekla: and where do they want to live, in the past where all the cool beans are?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00056639 = 4.871 BTC [-]
PeterL: BingoBoingo from Mizzu article "unrest lead to the departure of several high level administrative departures from the University" << got an extra departure in there
PeterL: btw, is it better to nitpick articles here or in their comment sections?
mircea_popescu: ;;google 'midnight in paris' fallacy
gribble: Midnight in Paris: Learning to Live With the Past – The Frailest Thing: <>; Midnight in Paris - Wikiquote: <>; Woody Allen's movie “Midnight in Paris” explores “golden age fallacy”: < (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: PeterL here is prolly faster
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ie, "the better times were in the past" ?
mircea_popescu: in general, the options are exactly 4 : 1) to say that the better times are in the past ; 2) to say that the better times are right now ; 3) to say that the better times are in the future ; 4) to say that there are no better times.
mircea_popescu: 2 is essentially pangloss' view, and beyond ridiculous. 3 is what every socialism, including here nazism, sovietism, western democracy etc was predicated on. it is beyond evil.
mircea_popescu: this leaves 1 and 4, the choice among which is indifferent.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: not indifferent.
ascii_butugychag: to say 'in the past' is as sane now as it would be after a nuclear war.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8022 @ 0.00056639 = 4.5436 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Peter_L: fxd
BingoBoingo: Peter_L either here or in PM's
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8204 @ 0.00056639 = 4.6467 BTC [-]
assbot: Last Actual Mozilla Feature Removed | Qntra ... ( )
ascii_butugychag: pretty much everything i give half a shit about was in better shape in 1900 than today.
ascii_butugychag: and most of it, in better shape than ~ever~ - precisely then.
danielpbarron: !up HugheGRhaektjeon
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: Entropy Forum: Entropy's future, pullmoll am 09.7.2004 22:51 ... ( )
ascii_butugychag: ^ from my multi-year attempt to find out something definitive re: the strength of mceliece
mod6: this morning I had to nearly step over two hobo's fucking in the trainstation.
mod6: that shit isn't right, especially before you've had your coffee
assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( )
BingoBoingo: mod6: Make coffee at home?
mod6: 8, cool!
mod6: ah, guess i could.
mod6: wouldn't wanna make me stab myself in the face any less.
BingoBoingo: In other news /Classic:0.11.2/ has 259, which for a hardfork coup is disappoint
BingoBoingo: mod6: Well you gotta understand hobofucking as well as hobocucking are serious trainstation risks
mircea_popescu: i never saw that one before.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5924 @ 0.00056639 = 3.3553 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 384.74, vol: 10351.50715140 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 387.92, vol: 6713.11942 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 385.96, vol: 21822.00965748 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 384.0, vol: 3.21804635 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.569397, vol: 39749.33020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 387.73, vol: 477.11947831 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 388.9256, vol: 36.96827125 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 389.799956681
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36000 @ 0.00055982 = 20.1535 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "You obviously don’t understand that Bitcoin has already reached thoroughput capacity, and further procrastination will result in the amount of orphaned blocks increasing; costing miners, and frying micro-SDchips with outrageous mempool sizes rewriting constantly. Just one look at the mempool is reason enough to worry. Rasberri Pi’s weren’t designed to be abused in this way… and nearly every node and ASIC u
BingoBoingo: ses Pi’s."
mircea_popescu: hahaha WHAT!
BingoBoingo: Because mempool size is necessarily a problem for rPI and bigger blocks would be a solution in their bizzaro land. Need more Orphanage nike
mircea_popescu: so if you make MORE space for people to take a shit in, there's going to somehow be fewer sd chips burned ?
mircea_popescu: da fuck is wrong with these idiots.
mircea_popescu: reject low fee txn outright, solve the problem.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's a comment on derpiticle. A comment that was carried onto the RSS version of the derpiticle.
assbot: In Defense of Bitcoin Transaction Fees - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Because for some reason articles already have comments when they hit RSS????
BingoBoingo: Not a single link to anyone other than Thermos on the subject
kakobrekla: < im curious, what does ascii give shit about?
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 18:34:10; ascii_butugychag: pretty much everything i give half a shit about was in better shape in 1900 than today.
mircea_popescu: by the choice of year, acomprehensible theory of the universe it'd seem.
assbot: Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2015/1194 ... ( )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: punkman: see logs re: homomorphic crypto
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 03:56:24; asciilifeform: i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different.
punkman: ascii_butugychag: browsing through the 2015 iacr archive, seems like almost every third paper is about homo crypto
ascii_butugychag: see linked thread re: why.
ascii_butugychag: the 'holy grail' appeal of unbreakable usgtronics everywhere is irresistible to hitler.
punkman: hey there's an alt-gnupg with mceliece
assbot: GitHub - exaexa/codecrypt: Post-quantum cryptography tool ... ( )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: holy shit is that thing massive.
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu << in elisp, no less
assbot: The Cramer Shoup Crypto System ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: that flash really makes the photo
punkman: "LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value" aaand it's gone
ascii_butugychag: on account of arsebook's 'business edition' launching, no doubt
asciilifeform: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: wut
BingoBoingo: !up Sojourn_
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag sweet.
mircea_popescu: "The algorithm can be applied on 'arbitrary' key sizes, i.e. every user can decide which bit-length k his key should have (less then 1000 is usually considered insecure).
mircea_popescu: Encryption is 'probabilistic' - i.e. if the same text is encrypted twice, the ciphertext usually will be different. They also will be longer (in the size of bits) by a factor of four, in order to guarantee decryption to the original message."
mircea_popescu: how not to like this ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag re the comment etc : i am definitely awarding for a degenerate shoup, if that's what we agree on using.
ascii_butugychag: i like shoup.
ascii_butugychag: i even like the (beefed up) mceliece
mircea_popescu: and also fwiw : a) the discrete log problem is of course related to the euler inequality, and generally shoup is properly speaking a narrow case of my proposed ep?
mircea_popescu: sorta. yeah.
mircea_popescu: "One amazing feature of this system is that it comes with a proof of security against adaptive chosen ciphertext attacks. I.e if your hardware device (say your workstation) can be used by an adversary for a limited time (e.g. while you are at lunch) to decrypt chosen ciphertexts without actually 'stealing' the secret key, it does not help him too much to decrypt any ciphertexts except the ones he decrypted explicitly.
mircea_popescu: Thus, by simply keeping a local list of cipher texts that you prevent from being decrypted straightforward (i.e. those you generated), you can---at least in theory---add some security." <<< wtf is this!
ascii_butugychag: it means that decryption of arbitary input doesn't leak key bits
ascii_butugychag: which is notably not the case in, e.g., rsa.
mircea_popescu: not that part.
mircea_popescu: "Thus, by simply keeping a local list of cipher texts that you prevent from being decrypted straightforward (i.e. those you generated), you can---at least in theory---add some security." << this part.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even make sense. wut ? amulet ?
ascii_butugychag: srsly, nfi
ascii_butugychag: write to him, ask ?
ascii_butugychag: perhaps he smoked dope ?
mircea_popescu: otherwise he seems sensible. who know.
ascii_butugychag: i tried, and failed, to make sense of that piece.
BingoBoingo: ^ Lizards speak
punkman: ascii_butugychag: i even like the (beefed up) mceliece << which one?
ascii_butugychag: somebody tell microshit
ascii_butugychag: punkman: the one with bernstein's proposed enhancements - possibly.
BingoBoingo: !up eric
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32928 @ 0.00055729 = 18.3504 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: unrelatedly,
assbot: Socat Weak Diffie-Hellman Prime Number | Threatpost | The first stop for security news ... ( )
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu et al ^ ?
ascii_butugychag: '“I cannot for sure rule out the possibility of a backdoor,” said Gerhard Rieger, a Socat maintainer. “But personally I do not believe that the contributor has a backdoor because he uses an email address at a well known and reputated company, and if someone wants to install such a backdoor he would not use a parameter that can easily be proven as non prime.”'
ascii_butugychag: ^ mega-l0l
ascii_butugychag: 'A post to a technical forum discovered that the non-prime parameter was introduced more than a year ago. A note in the commit indicates that Socat was not working in FIPS mode because it requires a 1024 Diffie-Hellman prime, and added that a developer named Zhiang Wang provided a patch with the new prime. The poster revealed that Wang works at Oracle and contributes to Socat.'
ascii_butugychag: (wtf is anyone still using dh ??)
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: qntra ^ ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Mebbe. I got to read into it.
assbot: "Intel Chips To Get Slower" <- Particularly relevant for scaling : Bitcoin ... ( )
assbot: Bitcoin Capitalist Opens Bounty For New Block Cipher - Slashdot ... ( )
BingoBoingo: "from the now-how-much-would-you-pay? dept"
danielpbarron: comments are a riot; these guys just can't stand that someone out there knows what he wants and isn't afraid to put it out there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22311 @ 0.00055472 = 12.3764 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Oracle Employee Wrecked Socat Security -
BingoBoingo: ^ for alf
ascii_butugychag: << the obligatory mircea_popescuphobiacs come out from their holes
assbot: Bitcoin Capitalist Opens Bounty For New Block Cipher - Slashdot ... ( )
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Not how many of them appear so rapidly
BingoBoingo: The mythical astroturf squad is real
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Note all the derps supposing the block cipher is somehow supposed to be used as a proof of work
danielpbarron: from the long-winded "i want to sorta look like i agree with this guy" post >> There definitely is a potential for safer currencies than bitcoin
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: 'to the cow, farmer is a large cow' or how did it go
danielpbarron: i imagine the memo to the astro-turfers went something like "go post comments on this slashdot thread, and use the keyword 'arrogant twat'"
ascii_butugychag: i'm a bit surprised that nobody whined re: the most obvious boojum of mircea_popescu's contest - how will it be judged.
ascii_butugychag: (~we~, i think, know how - but does the peanut gallery?)
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: You don't know how astroturf works. It doesn't work if you attack actual mysteries. You gotta attack fake ones like blockcipher as PoW
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9029 @ 0.00055369 = 4.9993 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up imposter
assbot: Raptor Engineering::Talos™ Secure Workstation ... ( )
BingoBoingo: "Talos™ is the world's first ATX workstation-class mainboard for the new, open-source friendly IBM POWER8 processor and architecture."
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: ' utilizes open-toolchain FPGAs' << this, i'd like to see
ascii_butugychag: but no mention of who makes it, or where
ascii_butugychag: (ibm certainly doesn't)
BingoBoingo: Of course the thing is at the "pre-order" stage so who knows if it ever appears
BingoBoingo: Or what "open-toolchain" means to them
ascii_butugychag: also gotta love the 'free, open workstation' where the sole component supplier is ibm
ascii_butugychag: if you want this - straight to ebay
ascii_butugychag: buy all the 'power' arch boxen you want.
ascii_butugychag: 20+ years of vintage to choose from.
ascii_butugychag: i'll pass.
mircea_popescu: <<< dude, check out all the people who don't care!
assbot: Bitcoin Capitalist Opens Bounty For New Block Cipher - Slashdot ... ( )
mircea_popescu: (courtesy BingoBoingo who by now is a total expert at bothering mayogenders)
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 19:37:09; BingoBoingo: << 8
ascii_butugychag: 'Also, he awards bonus points for proofs of hardness. No one has managed to prove hardness for any existing block cipher. Block ciphers are simply ways to jumble the plaintext up in a reversible fashion. They are not based on difficult mathematical problems.
ascii_butugychag: Proving hardness is something you do for asymmetrical ciphers, but asymmetrical ciphers are way too slow to be useful for actual messages.'
ascii_butugychag: l0ltr0n1c
mircea_popescu: you know ?
ascii_butugychag: is there somewhere, i wonder, a perl script, that pastes this pediwikian claptrap in
mircea_popescu: that's what you need "ordinary, decent, law abiding citizens" for.
ascii_butugychag: bahahawat
mircea_popescu lookes over at stats ; check that out, slashdotting counts for something like 2-3% of ordinary trilema traffic.
mircea_popescu: I AM GETTING REALLY LONELY!!11
mircea_popescu: ever since the previous spammer sold my site to the current one people ever give less and less of a shit! oh if only i could be friends with a rich guy like slashdot!
mircea_popescu: this was fun.
ascii_butugychag: << that'd be 9 but seems like bucephalus is blackholed
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 19:37:09; BingoBoingo: << 8
ascii_butugychag: for ~2 days now.
assbot: Intel: Chips To Get Slower | Qntra ... ( )
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag never used socat ; don't care.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: "Socat said it has generated a new prime that is 2048 bits long" << clearly evil.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i had never even heard of it prior
mircea_popescu: if they weren't they'd have made 4kb.
mircea_popescu: While it’s unknown how Wang chose the prime, other commenters on the post said that checks in OpenSSL and other tools used to generate primes cannot be sure if the numbers are prime. Rieger told Threatpost: “I do not know if a quick way exists to check this definitely. No attempts were made at all.” << and we never heard of phuctor etc.
ascii_butugychag: of course not
ascii_butugychag: or, for that matter, of euclid
mircea_popescu: "i do not know of a way to do math - i went to MIT"
ascii_butugychag: !s feeling of power
assbot: 10 results for 'feeling of power' :
mircea_popescu: "Not satire, just stupid and wrong." lol BingoBoingo just how much derp butthurt have you produced today ?
ascii_butugychag has been trying to detect 'signs of intelligent life' in the cryptological world, a very depressing exercise
ascii_butugychag: the whole shebang is approx. as alive as... lenin
ascii_butugychag: yes, there is a figure, from a distance. wax doll.
mircea_popescu: i'll be honest with you : i actually prefer encountering scar tissue to actual people. i have many more toys for the former, that i wouldn't normally apply on humans.
mircea_popescu: such as hot irons.
mircea_popescu: what's it hurt the cheloid ?
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu, i suppose, is a natural-born exterminator. whereas i see crushing, poisoning vermin as hard thankless work
ascii_butugychag: and there are always more, more, more... of them.
mircea_popescu: pain is a lot more honest emotion than pleasure.
ascii_butugychag: now this is so.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:22:33; asciilifeform: 'The real power, the power we have to fight for night and day, is not power over things, but over men.' He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: 'How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?' Winston thought. 'By making him suffer,' he said. 'Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is sufferin
mircea_popescu: complicated.
mats: was this socat thing even rsa?
mats: or ecc?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "Not satire, just stupid and wrong." lol BingoBoingo just how much derp butthurt have you produced today ? << Less than usual actually.
mircea_popescu: o hey, check it out, all the rotinculo that live off foodstamps know what a reward sum SHOULD have been.
mircea_popescu: nm that i linked to djb's 500-1k typical rewards for the field to help them avoid stepping in that one.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, i don't recall usg paying out any prize at all for aes nomination
ascii_butugychag: or is the magic spoodge of the fuhrer, reward enough.
mircea_popescu: << he has a point here. organised hallucination is hallucination.
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 22:32:43; BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: You don't know how astroturf works. It doesn't work if you attack actual mysteries. You gotta attack fake ones like blockcipher as PoW
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag ha! see above :D
ascii_butugychag: i kinda wonder, how many of the folks barfing, could explain how, e.g., rsa, works, to save own life
ascii_butugychag: (actually posing the question often produces many little 'bill gates'-en, who famously uttered a hope that one day 'science may discover a means of factoring large primes')
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag honestly, i suspect a) all actual cryptography revolves around º and º' pairs and b) rsa is the only one where º = º' = multiplication.
mircea_popescu: pure conjecture, but towards a unified theory of cryptography!
mircea_popescu: hmm, apparently log doesn't see &ordm;
mircea_popescu: am i the only one that sees it ?
assbot: Intel: Chips To Get Slower | Qntra ... ( )
punkman: ascii_butugychag: i'll pass. << weren't you after blobless workstation with recent cpu?
punkman: Tyan has some boards for it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no way chick on the left is 21.
BingoBoingo: Y not?
mircea_popescu: cuz she looks 34 to me ?
mats: weather beaten features
BingoBoingo: It's possible
assbot: Bitcoin Capitalist Opens Bounty For New Block Cipher - Slashdot ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Modded +4 Interesting with "The block cipher is a proof of work function which takes some effort to compute."
BingoBoingo: Not even wrong
BingoBoingo: But I'm glad MP no longer can disbelieve the one on the right being 21 because "No way she's 21, that isn't enough time to eat so much"
mircea_popescu: holy shit put soup instead of sha i nthe pow, see people cry.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that part is easy : a) you cook a bunch of slop ; b) you catch the sow and chain her down ; c) you insert one tube in ass and another tube in mouth (should be same size, orientation indifferent) and then you d) pour.
mircea_popescu: this is how you create the singularity.
BingoBoingo: The scary thing is she dreams of someone doing that to her
mircea_popescu: mats i guess that's right, surfer chicks do end up looking 514 by the time they're out of college.
assbot: AussieCryptoCurrency comments on Slashdot Knows Of Our ButterFiend Mircea Popescu ... ( )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the internet is but a series of tubes. see c) above.
BingoBoingo: But we need more pouring as in d)
mircea_popescu: "Behold, Mr Mackey, riding a horse so naturally it makes your dick hard. And there be bitches, oh yes." << i wonder what knowitall derp'd do if he actually knew what he's talking about.
BingoBoingo: Prolly do lsd trying to unknow?
BingoBoingo: Ok, this comment might actually take the LSD cake: "This is likely not for *encryption*." Goes on about proof of work
assbot: Bitcoin Capitalist Opens Bounty For New Block Cipher - Slashdot ... ( )
BingoBoingo: brb, stepping away from the anti-social media
assbot: B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4028 @ 0.00056249 = 2.2657 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "256 bits has sufficient entropy to render any brute force attack, and even severe weakening (e.g. sq root effort attacks) utterly infeasible." << dude where the fuck do they come from.
mircea_popescu: what colors are your bits, bitch! and how much entropy is there in this dword ?
mircea_popescu: "Anyhow, it would be a bunch of work for 10 BTC. Hardly worth anyone's time, given this bozo is gonna take all the credit, you probably don't even get fame nor fortune..." << jesus almighty. this is why it's fucking public, and lordship and all that, right ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the fiat world has burned these poor people so consistently (see the plouffe thing recently discussed, see the notorious wolfram thing etc) it's just the default expectation. and then ~bitcoin~ is the scam.
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 01:24:23; mircea_popescu: ok, this one's for asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: no idea.
asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody ask where daemen and rijmen's 'fame and fortune' are ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the slashdot thing is raw sewage. srsly i 'want my five minutes back' plox.
mircea_popescu: i was entertained!
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2016 00:34:19; punkman: ascii_butugychag: i'll pass. << weren't you after blobless workstation with recent cpu?
asciilifeform: << aaaaaaaand finally we catch'em in an obvious, rancid lie
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2016 22:49:53; BingoBoingo:
asciilifeform: 'open-toolchain FPGAs'
asciilifeform: !s xilinx
assbot: 86 results for 'xilinx' :
asciilifeform: ^ 'open toolchain fpga' will happen some time after pigs fly over a frozen hell.
asciilifeform: and in the 'roadmap' link we specifically see 'xilinx.'
asciilifeform: re: the cipher thread, gotta love how nobody complained re: mircea_popescu asking folks to solve an unsolved mathematical problem, the answer to which eluded two great empires for half a century.
asciilifeform: !up toffoo
mircea_popescu: eh, what do they know.
mircea_popescu: and besides, i'm not asking them to solve it, i'm just saying, should you have a solution...
asciilifeform: next up, trilema antigravity prize ?
mircea_popescu: believe it or not, sifting all the incoming email produced some nuggets.
assbot: dpaste: 2BVMZ6B ... ( )
asciilifeform: l0l this is what i wanted to do, recall
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu was allergic
asciilifeform: cascades
asciilifeform: if this is the best anybody had to offer, the field is deader than i thought.
mircea_popescu: ya well.
asciilifeform expected to see the maths crackpots come out in full strength, propose martian oddities based on, e.g., graph isomorphisms problem, or vertex colouring
mircea_popescu: actually the 4 color map thing is in my head just as good if not better than knapsack
asciilifeform: i actually hit garey & johnson's mega-encyclopaedia 'intractability' and dug
asciilifeform: still diggin'
asciilifeform: incidentally, another b00k worthy of inclusion in #b-a w4r3z dump
asciilifeform: ~the~ canonical work on the subject, quarter century in
asciilifeform: unsurpassed.
asciilifeform: the gotcha is, there is no shortage of demonstrably np-complete problem classes; but converting one into a cryptosystem, esp. ~safely~ is nontrivial
asciilifeform: in fact, as far as i can tell, this has ~never been done at all~
asciilifeform: not once.
asciilifeform: (for n00bz, i will remind, factoring was never demonstrated to be np-complete)
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's sadly unclear what the task even is. yes you can rigurously define assumptions ; yes you can rigurously prove safety.
mircea_popescu: then you invalidate the assumptions in practice without realising and heuristics eats your lunch.
mircea_popescu: math is nice and good, but a method or mechanism through which to prove the corectness of implementation in the sense contemplated here is not yet seen and altogether may be an impossibility.
mircea_popescu: and when i say "not yet seen" i mean that in the strongest sense. not seen ONCE. fucking darwinism is not PROVEDLY correct.
mircea_popescu: it is provedly consistent (what'd be a "mathematical corectness" and empirically applicable with great predictive power. that's... not it.)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: the slashdot thing is raw sewage. srsly i 'want my five minutes back' plox. << Ask gasenwagen driver for a cigarette when the time comes
BingoBoingo: In other news that time you personally get called a lunatic by Luke-Jr and not just a lunatic, but the only lunatic whose opinon doesn't matter.
assbot: luke-jr comments on "Intel Chips To Get Slower" <- Particularly relevant for scaling ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Does anyone know if there's a prize for that
BingoBoingo: !up adnn
danielpbarron: heh, dat vpn
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BingoBoingo: I have no idea when I'm going to stop glowing about recieving special contempt from Luke-Jr
BingoBoingo: !up Luke-Jr
Luke-Jr: wait, that's you? I thought it was mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: No it's Mircea doesn't have time to write that much for Qntra.
BingoBoingo: !down Luke-Jr Before you take my glow away
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Luke-Jr Fuck yourself for editing that reddit comment and taking my glow away. I want you to go to the grave of blessed Mary mother of Jesus and very deeply and profoundly fuck yourself.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: 17 months of Qntra, with 5 of them at the helm... I though I hit a significant milestone. Then it turns out that either I was honestly confused for Mircea Popescu or just maybe... Luke-Jr just tried to steal that milestone because he has so much contempt for me he was compelled to steal my satisfaction.
thestringpuller: Luke-Jr keeps on derpin'
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