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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently male bc, is just liek woman bc, up the hormones
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: No qntra submissions yet?
Duffer1: hola
Duffer1: there's a conspiracy afoot
Duffer1: nah i don't know what to write about
Duffer1: my iguanas are doing great, but it turns out they're both male so i'll have to re home one :(
BingoBoingo: Nah, make them gay.
BingoBoingo: It's what all the good schools do nao
Duffer1: might work if there were a lot more of them, but with just two they'll kill eachother
BingoBoingo: Or love each other... Gotta turn em gay.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently the gold standard for male birth control nao is called Trenbolone
Duffer1: is that the nut glue?
BingoBoingo: Define "nut glue"
mircea_popescu: y no bone ?
Duffer1: the glue developed to be injected into the vas deferens and dissolved when reversal is wanted/needed
Duffer1: = nut glue
BingoBoingo: <Duffer1> the glue developed to be injected into the vas deferens and dissolved when reversal is wanted/needed << Defo not that
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> y no bone ? << Apparently boners are a major side effect
BingoBoingo: Just, why was this nevar discussed in pharmacy school even though all of its neighbors were
Duffer1: anyone watch the first dem debate?
BingoBoingo: Nah, I value my sanity.
BingoBoingo: But Webb is a much better sysadmin than Clitler
Duffer1: ha that's not a high bar :P
assbot: Esbjorn Svensson Trio - Jazzwoche Burghausen Live (2004) - YouTube ... ( )
BingoBoingo: But she went to an "elite" school and married a future president!!!!!
Duffer1: ^ what I'm currently chilling to vex
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently the freaks with super natural muscle were on to something, and that something was male birth control. I feel lied and cheated to.
BingoBoingo: Men had hormonal birth control first and the 1960's were a lie
BingoBoingo now wonders if all the real roid freaks jsut get neuticals and do their hormones IM
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
Duffer1: glad i remember how to do that
BingoBoingo: Well, You are initiated aren't you?
Duffer1: possibly?
BingoBoingo: Even if you lost money you will be remembered for that gut wrenching and emotionally moving takedown of Labcoin.
Duffer1: ah ya baptism by fire
Duffer1: do not recommend
BingoBoingo: This is like I'd like you to with you experience spot and write up some shit for qntra. You have the history to carry it
Duffer1: alright, if i can think of an angle i'll submit something
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Cool, keep a look out. Gotta make those losses up somewhere.
Duffer1: ah ya man that would be nice hehe
BingoBoingo: May take a while, but do you really want anyone trying to outdo your baptism by fire narrative?
Duffer1: i'd be impressed if they could find a way, who wants to read the story of the games losers?
BingoBoingo: Who doesn't, far more to be learned than from the winners?
assbot: JL: ‘Thug Season’ ... ( )
Duffer1: i dunno maybe you're right
assbot: Esbjörn Svensson Trio (Seven Days Of Falling/Elevation of Love) - YouTube ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Also the entire Lafond life plan just shifted
assbot: JL: On the Downside ... ( )
Duffer1: interesting read
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Try his older shit. Up until a couple weeks ago he wrote as though he were some sort of white ape from the Congo. This is a precipitous decline
Duffer1: does he say what the injuries were that lead him to change? "2. Submission to the pigs is no longer an option. Any time I put myself at the mercy of a law officer this may result in me being jailed or imprisoned. These are options that, to me, are now infinitely less desirable than death by cop."
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BingoBoingo: Duffer1: He has a long chronicle of past injuries. This sudden decline is new though and he ofers no new injury. I may be a combination of age and the past injuries.
BingoBoingo: There are pieces he has where he chronicals getting hit in the nuts more than any person should.
BingoBoingo: Just remember everyone, if you sell out to Gawker Media they will treat you like trash until and past your natural death
assbot: EAT SHIT, LEITCH! ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Also, qntra has been at 800 posts for a few hours nao
BingoBoingo: 800 posts, 1051 non-spam comments
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BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve
BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash
HeySteve: hey BingoBoingo
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wyrdmantis: hello asseters
assbot: Index of /ftp/mirror/gentoo/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib ... ( )
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assbot: How Videogames Are Saving the Symphony Orchestra - WSJ ... ( )
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jurov: wyrdmantis hw do you mean correctly? if you want hardened gentoo, this one is right
assbot: [erlang-questions] Mnesia ... ( )
funkenstein_: <-- your death is right over your left shoulder, waiting to tap you
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 14:16:05; thestringpuller: for people with anxiety disorders: what works for you other than drugz?
funkenstein_: if you understand this you'll see there's no time to be anxious
funkenstein_: re: diesel thread, at one point i drove a friends retro-fitted diesel. retrofit consisted of an extra tank and a switch to select fuel line
funkenstein_: this enables one to get free fuel behind any chinese restaurant
funkenstein_: diesel engine runs on almost anything
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 01:49:22; mircea_popescu: the notion that people may read "newpspaers" made by people they don't know.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: One Of These Things Is A Straw Man, And The Other Is On Fire ... ( )
funkenstein_: a good old lecture on the topic is "Dead doctors don't lie" - joel wallach
assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 00:37:45; asciilifeform: << oldie, re: the mega-graveyard
funkenstein_: pressed shitboard
funkenstein_: more news from people I don't know
funkenstein_: i'm not sure if this was the goal but at this point general USian populace won't believe there's a shooting until the bullets hit them directly
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punkman: "French governt endorses #Blockchain tech ! #paymium awarded prize by Digital Economy Minister Axelle Lemaire" what's this prize davout?
assbot: Digital minister wants to 'break some clichés' about the French startup scene (interview) | VentureBeat | Entrepreneur | by Chris O'Brien ... ( )
assbot: This tropical mushroom gives women spontaneous orgasms from sniffing it / Boing Boing ... ( )
davout: punkman: a lot of people wonder what she does :D
assbot: Newfoundlanders are Trolling the Fuck Out of Harper With This ‘Barbaric Cultural Practice’ | VICE | Canada ... ( )
nubbins`: ^ in which a single photograph and a facebook event allowed nubs to spread his views on civil liberties from one coast of this fine country to the other two
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davout: nubbins`: nice!
nubbins`: davout i've been on cbc, yahoo news, huffington post, several local rags... vice article is the best one
nubbins`: only media outlet that actually bothered to publish my thoughts beyond the superficial ones
nubbins`: this election is seriously the most fun i've had since i don't know when
davout: "Sucks, but I don't want to sterilize perfectly good satire just so people don't have to worry or think." <<< the world would be a much better place if this stance was more common
nubbins`: i could kiss drew brown for including that paragraph verbatim
jurov: !up gabrielradio
gabrielradio: thanks jurov
TheNewDeal: g'day
TheNewDeal: or gdevening
gabrielradio: If you're a native Romanian speaker with a very good grasp of English, I am interested to work out an arrangement for your translation of my older Romanian articles. Don't hesitate to make contact for this purpose. << mircea_popescu , is this still of interest to you?
TheNewDeal: Just wanted to say that I am revoking my license as of today. I was a little sloppy with my key. I'll be back later
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 438458414.672
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 378863 | Current Difficulty: 6.0813224039440346E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 379007 | Next Difficulty In: 144 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 22 hours, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
TheNewDeal: ;;nexthalf
gribble: Error: "nexthalf" is not a valid command.
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TheNewDeal: ;;nextblockreward
gribble: Error: "nextblockreward" is not a valid command.
TheNewDeal: I'll be back
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
jurov: diana_coman: ^ see gabrielradio
jurov: i doubt very much mircea_popescu will translate someone else's articles
diana_coman: jurov, I think gabrielradio means that he is interested in doing the translation
jurov: lolk
diana_coman: I must admit that I kind of hate doing translation work as I find it horribly time consuming
davout: diana_coman: that's a problem with work in general
diana_coman: he he davout that is true in general of course, but it's a matter of personal efficiency in a field or another
diana_coman: alternatively it might simply be that I just hate translating - I'd much rather rewrite the thing in my own words as an exercise in understanding it
diana_coman: fwiw I have been following Trilema from pretty much its beginning so I'm quite familiar with most of it (not that I wouldn't benefit from re-reading a lot of it) and I think there are many articles that would be worth translating
shinohai: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.94, Best ask: 251.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 251.94, 24 hour volume: 9017.66443652, 24 hour low: 249.9, 24 hour high: 252.5, 24 hour vwap: None
VariaVarietatis: asciilifeform: know where I can find more like this in english?
jurov: !up disident
asciilifeform: VariaVarietatis: probably nowhere
asciilifeform: << fella may have taken one too many hits in the head - from his logic, it seems that he ought to be carrying a frag, rather than a knife...
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 05:29:18; Duffer1: does he say what the injuries were that lead him to change? "2. Submission to the pigs is no longer an option. Any time I put myself at the mercy of a law officer this may result in me being jailed or imprisoned. These are options that, to me, are now infinitely less desirable than death by cop."
asciilifeform: << we have this here. i even attended one performance, had no idea what it was, the playbill stated 'music from games', i recognized ~not one~ - because i never had 'console'
asciilifeform: << mega-essay, recommended to everyone who is interested in salvaging what little of worth remains in this whole 'computing' thing
asciilifeform experimented with erlang at great length, on multiple occasions, but cannot bring himself to use it for anything on the battlefield because 1 ) ONE IMPLEMENTATION and 2) IT DOES NOT FIT IN HEAD
asciilifeform: other than this, it is, imho, very spiffy
asciilifeform: and, iirc, to this day runs the swedish national telephone grid.
asciilifeform: << 'general population' will believe just about anything
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 11:25:15; funkenstein_: i'm not sure if this was the goal but at this point general USian populace won't believe there's a shooting until the bullets hit them directly
punkman: one case it doesn't mention is that clueless client demands to use AWS and mongodb and hadoop, because "I heard these were popular and next week when I am a big multinational I'll need to hire 10k developers and they'll only know how to use those"
asciilifeform: punkman: precisely the disease that gave us microshit
asciilifeform: and why the entire 'industry' needs a good thermonuking
asciilifeform: the whole thing, to the degree it shows any evidence of design at all, is optimized for vermin at every level.
asciilifeform: << at this point, i hesitate to recommend gentoo to a n00b. the problem is that there is not actually an alternative to gentoo.
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 08:30:50; wyrdmantis: to do gentoo correctly am i right with this: ?
asciilifeform: learn it the way you would learn sapping
asciilifeform: i.e. from someone who already knows, in person.
asciilifeform: << i dun get it. why there has to be a 'pack' of whatever sort, why not simply nuke the idiot xml rpc thing once and for all ?
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 07:10:30; BingoBoingo: tard mode
VariaVarietatis: recent comments
asciilifeform: << folks who want to join the endocrine freakshow know where to go...
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 04:06:28; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently male bc, is just liek woman bc, up the hormones
asciilifeform: it isn't hard. ask in your local gym. the down sides are well documented.
asciilifeform: << could go straight for the castration and skip the organ damage...
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 04:36:41; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently the freaks with super natural muscle were on to something, and that something was male birth control. I feel lied and cheated to.
asciilifeform: << who is this and why would anyone care..?
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 05:57:35; BingoBoingo: Just remember everyone, if you sell out to Gawker Media they will treat you like trash until and past your natural death
asciilifeform: << how come we learn of this not from davout ?
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 12:13:40; punkman: "French governt endorses #Blockchain tech ! #paymium awarded prize by Digital Economy Minister Axelle Lemaire" what's this prize davout?
assbot: 30475 – assert(int+100 > int) optimized away ... ( )
davout: asciilifeform: is it really that noteworthy that a sub-minister of some sort opines on something she has really no business opining about?
davout: or "opining on"? (folks who actually speak english are more than welcome to correct me!)
punkman: not rly, I was just wondering about the prize
davout: yeah, the whole thing materializes a government grant
davout: plus a small paper diploma :D
mircea_popescu: gabrielradio yes
davout: <<< god knows what happens when some of these colored coins get haxxored
mircea_popescu: lol. supoena!!1
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is a "hedge fund" issuing stock and who the fuck heard of a 10 mn "hedge fund"
mircea_popescu: are these people off their rocker ? you can't name yourself a hedge fund with under 1 bn just like you can't call a thing a car if it's under 1 meter long.
mircea_popescu: "this 10 milimetre long car got great fuel economy and runs on someone's halitosis".
mircea_popescu: well done!
asciilifeform: model car.
asciilifeform: (toy hedgefund?!)
mircea_popescu: i never saw a 3mm car.
mircea_popescu: make it say 3 cm, it could maybe be a model car.
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 15:49:34; punkman: old gcc lulz
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 22:07:28; mircea_popescu: i never knew i could equally hate both sides of a "debate" to the degree.
asciilifeform: shitgnome wreckers on one hand, 'but my legacy crud broke!!1111111' on the other
asciilifeform: a pox on both houses.
mircea_popescu: it's not even that. it's jwz.
asciilifeform: 'we are living in ameeeeerika, ameeerika, ameeerika, ... coca cola! sometimes war!' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: it's like "radical left" arguing with obama voters. "WE NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM PROPUDCERIST DARAPIGM!!1" "WHERE IS MY MORE FOOTSTAMPS!!!1"
mircea_popescu: !up gabrielradio
gabrielradio: i had a go at one of the articles
assbot: Christian Europe and other absurdities - ... ( )
mircea_popescu: aberrations is a word. absurdities != aberations.
mircea_popescu: "One of the most ridiculous nonsense passed with pious self-importance by the neophytes and likewise unwarranted people"
mircea_popescu: this is broken in at least two places. one of the most x nonsense is bad grammar. the X and otherwyse Y z's is bad style
mircea_popescu: your ennumerations must be balanced, either ennumerate nouns or adjectives.
asciilifeform: it still beats the shit out of 'google trans'
mircea_popescu: it does.
mircea_popescu: gabrielradio trilema text is very fucking tense, so it needs this intensive approach to work. ya know ?
asciilifeform: 'I don't care if your language lawyers tell you gcc is right. THIS WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO GET HACKED.' << this is not hundred percent idiotic. the c programming language is specified in such a way, with sufficiently pervasive 'undefined behaviours' and nonstandardized but inescapable routines, that it is ~physically impossible~ to program in it as-specified
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only problem is that it takes me ~20 minutes to translate one. it maybe takes me 15 minutes to read and fix his, except i'll also get angry. so it's a sort of economical problem.
asciilifeform: thereby every single program beyond the schoolbook trivium depends on just such behaviour.
mircea_popescu: ~depends~ being tghe key word.
mircea_popescu: it's not that you can fix it with better dakka.
asciilifeform: break it, by choosing a different reading of the talmu^H^H^H^Hstandard, and it dies.
mircea_popescu: in order to work, it DEPENDS on it. better dakka just guarantees more of the same.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "i need more dakka"
gribble: I NEED MOAR DAKKA on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <>; O, wasted youth! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <>; Rautati si Mizerii on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <>
assbot: ‘It’s now or never': Texts reveal teen’s efforts to pressure boyfriend into suicide - The Washington Post ... ( )
trinque: baw
ben_vulpes: go, read
ben_vulpes: i evillold
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trinque: ben_vulpes: mega-baw
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trinque: ben_vulpes: my brother yesterday was telling me about this "autistic" kid that punches teachers at his high school
trinque: me: "And what if they could punch him back? Do you think he'd continue?" him: "hmmmmmm"
trinque: a "counselor" comes running every time this kid lashes out. I say he wins
punkman: "After his death, Carter became a self-proclaimed advocate for mental health. She organized a fundraising tournament in Roy’s memory and posted on Facebook and Twitter about her attempts to save her boyfriend’s life."
punkman: attempts such as: “I was on the phone with him and he got out of the car” because the carbon monoxide was working, she said. She added that she “told him to get back in.”
mircea_popescu: so basically the girl's plan was to be an activist, and she figured since all the verbiage is "you can't discuss X because you don't KNOWWHATITSLIKE" she'd really help her chances by having a bf off himself.
mircea_popescu: she's right, too.
mircea_popescu: at any rate a damn sight better plan than "i'll go to college and become carrie bradshaw"
shinohai: Well, she got valuable experience in little time, sure beats going to school and studying that shit.
mircea_popescu: she'll get the even more valuable experience of impunity, IN SPITE of a lot of verbiage and to and fro from the soi dissant "legal system", "community" etc.
mircea_popescu: in other words, america is building its leaders of tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: they just don't happen to be the sort of leaders it [thinks it] wants.
mircea_popescu: just like dumbass chick with "i want people to like me for me" and no nudies on facebook IS selecting for her future husband.
mircea_popescu: just, not for the future husband she [thinks she] wants. certainly for the one she deserves
shinohai: !b 2
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shinohai: yay assbot is back. I had forgotten until I already sent command.
mod6: Alright, wot-sync removed, some other minor changes. Everything resigned and posted for review, enjoy!
mircea_popescu: nice going mod6
mod6: ty :]
mircea_popescu: shinohai it has a point, too. reddit is fundamentally this, pretending moos are speech.
mircea_popescu: "James LaFond—a little prick I never much cared for anyhow—is dead, and I am the ghost animating his tottering corpse." << you know, this is pretty typical schizo stuff and im willing to bet the guy kills someone.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's just grieving, who's to know.
mircea_popescu: no country for old men, huh ?
mircea_popescu: strangely, somehow, no one seems to notice THAT is the premier, perhaps the only appeal of crypto.
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 12:13:40; punkman: "French governt endorses #Blockchain tech ! #paymium awarded prize by Digital Economy Minister Axelle Lemaire" what's this prize davout?
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 13:30:20; nubbins`: davout i've been on cbc, yahoo news, huffington post, several local rags... vice article is the best one
phf: (gabrielradio is presumably gabriel_laddel in mobile mode)
mircea_popescu catches glimpse of 2028 when he has to decide whether he goes to nobel ceremony for b-a person or oscar prize for b-a person because hey, assholes don't understand they gotta deconflict schedules for b-a.
mircea_popescu: phf it's what i thought too but seems not.
phf: huh!
mircea_popescu: "I know they're billing it as a stand for women's rights, but that would be more convincing if they weren't also selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, hadn't shuttered 75 percent of the country's Status of Women offices, and weren't shrugging off the more than 1,200 Indigenous women who have been missing or murdered in Canada since 1980."
mircea_popescu: what the everliving fuck. closing down "status of women" offices is a fucking must for women's rights.
mircea_popescu: and capitalizing that shit is a lot more fucking bigoted than saying obama is just a slave put there to do his white master's bidding.
mircea_popescu: ". There's a legitimate concern that sauntering into a polling booth dressed like something out a low-budget nightmare might actually be trivializing or mocking the experience of those Canadian women who face regular harassment (or worse) as part of their religious devotion"
mircea_popescu: no there fucking isn't. "trivialization" is never a legitimate concern.
mircea_popescu: the people pretending otherwise are also not legitimate people. ask for their fucking legitimations, the matter's not resolved by simply being there.
mircea_popescu: << she';s most efficient looking for widow's whisp berries atm i suspect :D
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 14:19:04; diana_coman: he he davout that is true in general of course, but it's a matter of personal efficiency in a field or another
mircea_popescu: << "believe". there's two kinds of believe, the "pepsi is best pepsi that saves women's rights" believe and the "sit on a pineapple" believe.
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 15:31:01; asciilifeform: << 'general population' will believe just about anything
mircea_popescu: no point confusing them.
mircea_popescu: usians will say anything and believe nothing.
mircea_popescu: << depends if she ever posted tits. that usually makes the cut >D
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 16:05:20; davout: asciilifeform: is it really that noteworthy that a sub-minister of some sort opines on something she has really no business opining about?
mircea_popescu: "Most of that development is iterative rehashes of what everyone else has already done, though. This is a red flag to me. Social networks, messaging systems, click analytics, GIS frameworks for click analytics, and lots of other things called "analytics" but really boil down to adtech, adtech, adtech, adtech, and some more adtech, and marketing campaigns about campaigns about adtech."
mircea_popescu: with the mention that it's not tech. it's voodoo.
mircea_popescu: so unless one';s willing to go "timecube is astrotech astrotech and some more astrotech", one shouldn't so refer to "click analytics" and the rest of that shit.
shinohai: <<< Once I went to a funeral (Jewish) and joked to my cousin that "He is in heaven with Jesus now". May as well have said the holocaust never occured.
assbot: Cultural blunders make people better thinkers | EurekAlert! Science News ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "The elephant in the room being that the ad market is falling apart because it isn't worth anything near like what we imagined. If views were what mattered it would be impossible for Twitter to be in such trouble, Arstechnica be struggling to maintain its editorial standards, or sites like Huffington Post and Forbes to be forced to display clickbait panels and load 40 ~ 70 third party plants per page load."
mircea_popescu: A hilariously low percentage of tech investment targets the SMB market (aiming instead at huge business, the web, and the consumer electronics tie-in (the only interesting part of the list)) <<< yeah, it's not JUST bitcoin that the VC circus misdirected the usg into losing out of.
mircea_popescu: this one will kill it, of course, but even if it didn't, even without it : usg had been tricked by into missing out on pretty much everything. even fucking obvious things like small biz.
shinohai: I'm going to paint "Dumb ideas and bankrupt companies" onto a briefcase and dress up as a VC for Halloween.
trinque: that's pretty good
shinohai: At first I though of making a giant paper-machie forhead and going as Vitalik Buterin, but it kept collapsing. :/
shinohai: *forehead
mircea_popescu: papier-mache does not make a suitable replacement for pressed shit.
shinohai: I'm certainly nowhere near fat enough to be Gavin.
phf: last year i did travis bickle for halloween, complete with haircut, which had a nice bonus of being a big fuck you to the firm i was working for. apparently it's fine to have purple hair if you're an agile manager, but not so much a "warhawk" for a project architect.
phf: shinohai: i think you want these if you're trying to buterin,
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mircea_popescu: i dun get why you'd want to big fuck you the firm you work for.
shinohai: lmao phf .... makes me actually want to make a Buterin costume.
mircea_popescu: "To illustrate this, consider the latest issue containing an article, "Power Hour." It describes an impromptu experiment on the world's powerful (i.e. Paul Wolfowitz) that unfortunately failed to show the intended result, namely, that he's a jerk.
mircea_popescu: The fact that the experiment failed didn't stop The New Yorker from trying to portray Wolfowitz as a jerk anyway, even though his performance theoretically showed that he was not a jerk, by the outcome measure of the study. They even commissioned a caricature of Wolfowitz to accompany the article, because, well, he's a jerk, of course. No matter what science says."
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The New Yorker Writes About Power ... ( )
mircea_popescu: what has changed in 7 years ? oh... the new yorker went out of business.
mircea_popescu: and whoever took over's paying less for the copywriting and even less for the artwork.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise... let's do a test to see if it comes out the way we want it to here it is it did!!11
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> << who is this and why would anyone care..? << Person who sold out to Denton for minimal cash and a life time of being trolled by his media child
phf: mircea_popescu: i was being childish, but also under a lot of stress. at that point they didn't quite believe me that i really am only staying on long enough to wrap up the projects i was responsible for. the haircut cut off any attempts to bring me into meetings with new clients. in any case not my proudest moment, but it was my best halloween costume so far.
mircea_popescu: usually how this works :D
mircea_popescu: "not my proudest moment in retrospect, but hot damned that time i stripped naked and jumped in the pool was the greatest party ever!" said many a tall beauties.
phf: ahaha
mircea_popescu: whadda ya do for a living now, anyway
phf: helping out a friend on his project ~3 days a week or so in a last authority on technical decisions role.
mircea_popescu: what, you're retired ?
phf: that's one way of putting it, except i don't have enough leverage to last me to the end, so technically no
mircea_popescu: so you're basically a nigger in prison (ie, timed out by the failures of this world!!1) except not actually black.
phf: that's a much better way of putting it, yes
mircea_popescu: so why don't you do something ? here's alf bending over the task of routing circuits in the blockchain implemented in ada
mircea_popescu: and here's phf sitting around wondering what's for dinner.
mircea_popescu: is this fairness i ask you ?
mircea_popescu: worst run sharashka ever.
phf: well, this is eye of sauron kind of operation
mircea_popescu: what's that ?
phf: whenever mp notices a problem, there's a active search for a solution
phf: i'm basically following along the logs, looking for things i can pick up and work on. last one i saw was memory limits in nursery
mircea_popescu: flattering, but noit that accurate.
asciilifeform: phf: the back side of this medal is that problems which require something more than poor buggerz working nights and weekends with bare hands - don't get solved.
mircea_popescu: not that the strategy per se is bad, following the log.
mircea_popescu: but i am positive that either mod6 or alf could give you huge chunks to do, if you're mostly into that. prolly mod6 more swamped tghan alf atm, even.
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 18:08:21; mod6:
mircea_popescu: there's also a bunch of large-ish stand-alone items, such as the gossipd (which might still be done by artifexd, haven;t heard from him for a while) and a proper redesign of pgp
mircea_popescu: and othjers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i'll fess up to being a good chunk of the way into both of the above
mircea_popescu: ofcourseyouare.
asciilifeform: but this does not mean that other folks ought not to do it!
asciilifeform: as in 'v'
mircea_popescu: which is why i dun wanna encourage your heretic renaissance-orchestra-man ways by attaching more talented young folk to your crazylab.
asciilifeform: l0l aha.
mircea_popescu: fits in head, i suspect, is just your bait and switch to make the world "fits in ass".
asciilifeform: !s arse safe
assbot: 2 results for 'arse safe' :
mircea_popescu: why do you want to rectally insert the creation, alf ?
asciilifeform: ^ key feature!
asciilifeform: the old saw, 'you own only what fits in one hand while firing with the other' is not applicable if using two-handed weapon. because then, you own only what fits in head (and arse...)
asciilifeform: ;;seen artifexd
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
mircea_popescu: myeah been a while.
asciilifeform: fella's logged in...
mircea_popescu: yo artifexd ... how goes ?
asciilifeform: 'отряд не заметил потери бойца и яблочко песню допел до конца' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> phf: the back side of this medal is that problems which require something more than poor buggerz working nights and weekends with bare hands - don't get solved. << the only problem that EVEN BENEFITS from a different approach is childbearing.
mircea_popescu: and the different apporoach is not on the part of the buggerers either, they still work nights and weekends with bare...
asciilifeform: go and fab cpu 'nights&weekends with bare hands.'
mircea_popescu: sometimes i think b-a is really the mental process of a nutty old guy
mircea_popescu: keep[s having the same arguments with himself.
mircea_popescu: incidentally this'd be the way to write the b-a book.
asciilifeform: 'the dreams of cthulhu'
mircea_popescu: not even. "The Retired Life of Mr. Boody Wallen."
asciilifeform: << call me skeptic, but wake me up when gurlz carry shroom snuffboxes instead of cosmetic cases !
mircea_popescu: call me crazy, but the most often heard HONEST response to "would you like to cum ?" is no.
asciilifeform: how's that wurk
mircea_popescu: women, sane women in sane situations, don't generally want another orgasm.
mircea_popescu: because it's exhausting.
asciilifeform: life is exhausting
mircea_popescu: not paroxistically.
phf: so gossipd is "in progress", but fella's not been heard from in a very long time. gpg has not been started, but ascii presumably has a lot of ideas about it. then there's pie in the sky projects, like fabricating own cpus or rsa over udp routers.
mircea_popescu: phf notice that the gossipd thing was specced, the pgp one has not.
mircea_popescu: and i am pretty certain the specwork for it will involve fireworks.
asciilifeform: phf: 3 of these 4 are well underway right here.
asciilifeform: i suppose i spoiled 'v' a month before publishing, and no one noticed it, so perhaps i ought to 'spoil' this one
shinohai: If help is still needed cleaning or writing some crap for the wiki I may can help.
mircea_popescu: shinohai A LOT of that is needed on teh eulora wiki, at that.
asciilifeform: the - presently nameless - pgptron - is simply an emulator for a very simple but imaginary computer which performs arbitrary arithmetic on bignums.
phf: and then there's always bitcoind source, which is infinite rabbit hole. i'm studying the source by rewriting chunks in cl, and the more i learn, the more i know i don't know
asciilifeform: a 'public key' is simply a snippet of code for this 'computer'
asciilifeform: ditto private.
mircea_popescu: yarvin will be pissed.
asciilifeform: there are no hardcoded implementations of ciphers, or hashes
asciilifeform: these are carried in the 'keys'
mircea_popescu: the entire fucking point nsa even sponsored his nonsense is that it might perhaps prevent this manner of looking on asym crypto.
asciilifeform: 'v' is the bullet in the head for shithub et al;
asciilifeform: 'p' (draft title) - for the old pgp.
shinohai: keep forgetting to rejoin #eulora, never added to autojoin
asciilifeform: i could say more, but why ruin ~all~ of the surprise.
phf: g is presumably ascii's gossipd version
asciilifeform: whole thing is a few 100 lines of c. (not entirely tested yet, so i will not say precisely how much it weights.)
asciilifeform: *weighs
asciilifeform: for some exposition of the general approach, see also my ancient article,
assbot: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( )
shinohai: Any news on when our friend phuctor might return asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: shinohai: when i find a place to put it.
mircea_popescu: darn was going to get a quote
mircea_popescu: ;;seen naphex
gribble: naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 10 hours, 24 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Naphex> mircea_popescu: yep; i'm waiting for a mail from him should come later on today
asciilifeform: shinohai: so far, nothing satisfactory. i continue the search.
shinohai: kk thanks
asciilifeform: would ~strongly~ prefer to put it in a place i can physically touch, but mircea_popescu does not much like this approach, iirc he said 'dont wanna trade with the enemy'
mircea_popescu: im still hopeful might manage to get a colo'd box there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can touch it just as soon as you get out of nazi state.
asciilifeform makes stone face, like stierlitz in '17 moments of spring'
shinohai: I can't offer any such help as I too am under the thumb of the SS.
trinque: ship shinohai out on the barge
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2014 02:48:16; asciilifeform: << with english translation in 'show more' box
nubbins`: add BBC News to the list o.O
mircea_popescu: hehe. are you a celeb nao nubs ?
mircea_popescu: host [] SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data
mircea_popescu: clearly, "email filtering has gotten so good of late"
shinohai: Jeezus mircea_popescu you weren't kidding about the eulora wiki.
mircea_popescu: !up PeterL_out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13439 @ 0.00047733 = 6.4148 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up PeterL
mircea_popescu: assbot had netsplitted.
PeterL: << oil is made of hydrocarbons, carbohydrates are things like sugars
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 00:23:57; mircea_popescu: this is exactly what it sounds like : oil is a mix of carbohydrates, you sort this by mass and cut it into slices.
PeterL: just nitpicking
mircea_popescu: a right.
mircea_popescu: not much oxygen in oil.
PeterL: unless your "oil" comes from a US gas pump and is filled with oxygenates like ethanol
brg444: did bitderp story get pulled from Qntra?
BingoBoingo: Which one?
assbot: Troubled BitPay Signs up Gaming Platform | Qntra ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Ah, deedbot didn't catch it
trinque: was absentee due to some freenode fart; just brought it back
Duffer1: g2a is the sketchiest bullshit
Duffer1: brand new AAA games at 80% off day of release
Duffer1: "we're legit"
brg444: my bad the recent one, would be bitreserve/uphold
brg444: their fiat "rebranding"
BingoBoingo: I don't remember that one
brg444: aaa found it. stumbled on it today ... from 2014
assbot: Bitreserve Holds your Bitcoins as Fiat | Qntra ... ( )
brg444: veteran scammer Halsey Minor sells 5000 BTC worth of IOUs into his fiat bank, today claims one of "Bitcoin's biggest company"
shinohai: rofl
brg444: Minor, too, predicts that bitcoin as a currency “will get destroyed.” He likens the coin’s current market cap—about $3.7 billion—to “an accounting mistake or rounding error that Bank of America makes.”
assbot: Bitcoin Startup Bitreserve Changes Name and Moves Beyond Bitcoin - Fortune ... ( )
brg444: "22% of the world's publicly traded bitcoin has been transacted on our platform in less than 11 months"
brg444: what the fuck does that even mean
pete_dushenski: wash trading
assbot: NYSDFS - Banking - September 14, 2015: NYDFS Reaches Agreements With 4 Major Banks on New Symphony Chat & Messaging Platform ... ( )
pete_dushenski: cryptolulz*
pete_dushenski: "The four banks will store duplicate copies of the decryption keys for their messages with independent custodians (i.e., custodians not controlled by the banks)."
ben_vulpes: ahahaha
pete_dushenski: why the fuck even bother with 'end-to-end encryption'
ben_vulpes: "operate in us? can't use crypto."
pete_dushenski: if you're just going to hand the unencrypted emails over the second the nydfs comes aknockin'
shinohai: They like making you *feel* secure.
pete_dushenski: how in the fuck did the nydfs even manage to negotiate this ?
pete_dushenski: actually, if i were goldman, i'd use 'symphony chat' for 'clean tawk' and pgp for 'dirty tawk'.
pete_dushenski: "here you are officer, i think you'll find this correspondance regarding the weather in peru to be in order"
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.99990000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 -
pete_dushenski: correspondence*
pete_dushenski: see, without good ol' deedbot- i'd have forgotten entirely about that eth bet.
pete_dushenski: how is that scam doing these days ?
pete_dushenski: oof. down 19% today to 0.0019
pete_dushenski: 'yes' is looking tempting isn't it.
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 21:56:25; Duffer1: g2a is the sketchiest bullshit
brg444: jays just got jobbed
pete_dushenski: orly ? missed the game.
brg444: live rite now
brg444: people throwing beers on the field and stuff
BingoBoingo: Eh, baseball season ended last night
pete_dushenski: what happened ? it's in toronto iirc
pete_dushenski: brg444 ^
brg444: refs made a terrible call on awarding a free run to the plate on a botched pitch back to the pitcher
brg444: appeared to have called the play off then awarded the point on review. now checking out the replay, again.
pete_dushenski: ooo drama
brg444: someone's getting ejected soon
brg444: BingoBoingo about STL sports team, Gurley is entertaining
BingoBoingo: Tre Mason can eat a dick though. Wasn't for that asshole Mizzou would have had an SEC Championship.
pete_dushenski: @GreggZaun: Try to keep it classy Toronto. The WORLD is watching << bahaha. shut the fuck up zaun. you're a has-been and your little world and everyone you know doth not make up any ~useful~ fraction of the world extant. but whatever, enjoy your time in the sun, however brief it may be.
pete_dushenski: the WORLD watches WORLD CUP
pete_dushenski: that's it. not the olympics, not the 'world' series, nothing else. football.
pete_dushenski: and cripes, not the american kind either.
BingoBoingo: The card's elimination from the playoff wouldn't be so bad if it came at the hands of any team other than Shitcago
pete_dushenski: ahh chicago. i remember the days of frank thomas like they were yesterday.
pete_dushenski: now ~that~ man could hit a ball, pre-juice too (or before widespread use at least)
BingoBoingo: Frank Thomas was with the OK Chicago team.
BingoBoingo: There was probably juice around then too, I mean Jose Canseco. Thomas though was a genetic freak.
pete_dushenski: i have a soft spot for genetic freaks in sport.
pete_dushenski: lebron, tiger, bolt, etc. those 'supermen'
pete_dushenski: the ones that 'don't make sense'
brg444: i get the same feelings watching Odell Beckham launch 45 inches in the hair grabbing footballs one handed during pre-game
BingoBoingo: Right. But the Cards were eliminated by the fucking Northside Pedobears
assbot: 19ckws9y9dr7yjpg.jpg (636x358 pixels) ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 22:25:37; pete_dushenski: << what's sketchy about a gaming platform whose users want to suck its dick, all nice and sloppy like ?
brg444: lebron the most impressive specimen I've seen
brg444: nh
pete_dushenski: brg444 i remember watching him for the first time, while in a hotel room in mexico as it happens, during his senior year (of high school!) in the slam dunk competition. he was simply monumental. and i remember saying "watch out for this kid" without really knowing jack shit about pro bball
brg444: yep. was unheard of. kid was probably pulling more ratings on ESPN then this baseball game on now as a senior.
brg444: it's a shame he's such a doofus though. mentality he is amateur at best. doesn't understand how to be great
brg444: MJ did
BingoBoingo remembers when MJ was my favorite minor league baseball player
brg444: :o
brg444: he was ass though
brg444: that speaks to why he was so great though: dude had such an ego he thought there was nothing he couldn't do.
pete_dushenski: baseball update: so weird rangers run counted. jays look to come back in bottom of 7th, bases loaded, 1 out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00047463 = 6.1702 BTC [-] {2}
brg444: oh wow
pete_dushenski: 6-3 jays. grand salamie.
brg444: na, was actually 2 people on bases
brg444: people in toronto going nuts
pete_dushenski: Frank Thomas @TheBigHurt_35 This is the craziest inning of baseball I've ever seen!! <<
pete_dushenski: brg444 aha. my bad.
brg444: I've lost track of time but it seems this one inning has been going on for the last hour
shinohai: <<< You guys had ur 40x6 cm dildo today ?
assbot: futabu dildo - Album on Imgur ... ( )
pete_dushenski: "The relationship of intelligence and intelligent behavior has been the topic of recent debates, yet understanding why we call certain actions stupid irrespective of their cognitive abilities requires the understanding of what people mean when they call an action stupid. To study these questions empirically, we analyzed real-life examples where people called an action stupid."
pete_dushenski: while i could think of worse and less hilarious topics for one's phd...
pete_dushenski: wtf is this 'irrespective of their cognitive abilities' nonsense ? as if everyone in the world were equally stupid, and therefore equally intelligent, and therefore had equal rights and so on and so forth ?
pete_dushenski: while pretty much everyone is stupid is ~some~ ways, this doesn't imply that there aren't vast disparities between the shades of gray.
pete_dushenski: yes, tlp is a smart dude, but no, he couldn't wrap his head around the concept of independence.
pete_dushenski: for his daughter, at least.
pete_dushenski: likewise, obama is smarter than your average nignog, but he can't negotiate himself out of a paper bag, much less prevent his 'country' from spiralling from despondency on downwards. in fact, if he were smarter, he'd be accelerating the process at every opportunity. instead, he just drags his dumb heels in the sand his father was born in.
pete_dushenski: might as well get it over with, burn the mess down already. but no, too stupid. too much 'hope'.
ben_vulpes: lol bye pete
brg444: *drops mic
ben_vulpes: obama doesn't actually have the mandate to negotiate; subtle fact of us presidency that most outsiders (and usians) miss.
ben_vulpes: it's just the wwe yearly belt competition
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suppose they could bid for a eulora copper merchant position like anyone else.
mircea_popescu: << what exactly did the guy do to be veteran ?
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 22:10:00; brg444: veteran scammer Halsey Minor sells 5000 BTC worth of IOUs into his fiat bank, today claims one of "Bitcoin's biggest company"
mircea_popescu: oh the cnet dude nm
mircea_popescu: << me sees this, goes orly ? goes and checks, sure enough 0.00204816 BTC (-15.62 %)
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 22:21:57; deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.99990000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 -
mircea_popescu: niggas stealin' ma bitbetz!
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 22:45:37; *: BingoBoingo remembers when MJ was my favorite minor league baseball player
mircea_popescu: << im sure every internist in audience is thinking that's just about the size of an impacted shit.
assbot: futabu dildo - Album on Imgur ... ( )
mircea_popescu: << more like smart people do stupid shit all the time and often enough it happens that you're impressed with something someone does only to discover they "did it" by pure coincidence later on.
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 23:10:19; pete_dushenski: wtf is this 'irrespective of their cognitive abilities' nonsense ? as if everyone in the world were equally stupid, and therefore equally intelligent, and therefore had equal rights and so on and so forth ?
mircea_popescu: tis a problem.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Jordan. During those two years he had to leave Basketball over those gambling debts
mircea_popescu: <<< re that quote, in fairness and on re-read it could be said he sort-of gets it. maybe. lotta effort it takes, too
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 23:12:54; pete_dushenski: for his daughter, at least.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you mean aids ?!
BingoBoingo: Nah, that's Magic Johnson
mircea_popescu: << and the american husband doesn't have the mandate to put wife on knees. of course he doesn't, except if he takes it, in which case he does. because this is kinda how this shit works.
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 23:25:18; ben_vulpes: obama doesn't actually have the mandate to negotiate; subtle fact of us presidency that most outsiders (and usians) miss.
mircea_popescu: reagan didn't have the mandate to send the airline union packing. it went packing. roosevelt had no mandate to confiscate people's currency, or to redefine currency, or to fuck up the justice system.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter he had as much mandate to start a war as lincoln did.
mircea_popescu: it specifically says "you don't have mandate to start wars, unless you do."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22762 @ 0.00047786 = 10.877 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Academics Hide Drug Company Payments ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "If Biederman never existed, nothing would be different. You read his resume, you think, wow, he's a big player. You don't realize that if he didn't exist there would be some other person in his exact position, who would also have become a Distinguished Professor, won awards, written 450 publications, etc. The machine was already in place, his slot was going to get filled; his mind didn't discover anything, those re
mircea_popescu: sults were coming no matter what, those publications were already going to be written.
mircea_popescu: The money isn't corrupting him into thinking childhood bipolar is underdiagnosed-- he truly believes it. The reason he believes it is his entire professional existence-- his whole identity-- is predicated on believing it. He's not a scientist, he's a priest.
mircea_popescu: He starts out as a young academic. He lands a spot in a research group that studies X, so he studies X, later he branches out into X+Y, or goes to Z, etc, eventually he finds himself a niche. And he believes in that niche, he believes in his data, no matter what it says. You can't convince him he's wrong because it isn't science and it isn't even a bias-- it's identity.
mircea_popescu: That's how an entire nation of psychiatrists could have been deluded into prescribing Depakote for maintenance when the data itself says not to do it. It's belief, not money, "we believe bipolar is a kindled disorder..." Hell, if Harvard believes it, what chance do the rest of us have?"
asciilifeform: and this is not even remotely limited to pharma.
mircea_popescu: has 0 to do with pharma. where usg goes, the usg.problems go.
mircea_popescu: wherever there's two ustards, there's ustardation, aka this sort of narcisiac neurosis.
asciilifeform: btw 'bipolar as kindled [as per 1950s theory of epileptic fit origins] disease' comes entirely from one thing:
mircea_popescu: heck, the fucking "expat" group in costa rica had it./
asciilifeform: antiepileptics tend to be 1) infinitely polymorphable into patentability 2) lobotomize patient into quiescence
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously, "antiepileptics for everything" aka "everything to do with the brain will be fixed by fucking with these neurotransmitters" comes from exactly this fertile field.
mircea_popescu: and the entire "everything wrong is really wrong with the brain" ie "not criminality but imbalance" so on and so forth are only superficially an ideology matter, ie "humanism" run amok us style.
asciilifeform: but i will note the overall ~direction~ of usg psychiatry.
BingoBoingo: antiepileptics tend to work on ion channels, antipsychotics/antidepressants fuck with neurotransmitters
mircea_popescu: fundamentally, they're exactly driven by this tecxh
mircea_popescu: technological happenstance.\
asciilifeform: much the same as that of sov психушка
mircea_popescu: this discussion exactly mirrors yesterdauy's discussion about diesels.
asciilifeform: there ~were~ dopaminergics.
mircea_popescu: the "regulators" had 0 to do with it. while the refinery process poured out diesel fuel, you were gonna run diesels.
mircea_popescu: while petrochem pours out depakote, you're gonna fucking feed people depakote and stfu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not really the case here. petrochem had equally easy time pouring out dopaminergics as it does neuroleptics
mircea_popescu: see, the uppers risk cascading.
mircea_popescu: the downers just make people stfu and sit down.
asciilifeform: naturally
BingoBoingo: Depakote was popular because drug companies made conditions for the insurance companies to pay for it.
asciilifeform: usg would rather have a herd of depressives than manics, yes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but they only did that because it was accessible.
BingoBoingo: Before Depakote, it was seroquel, after depakote it was Zyprexa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even usg related. it is CHEAPER.
mircea_popescu: \that's the considerationb here.
asciilifeform: cheaper to manage the depressives ? certainly
asciilifeform: to make the pill? nope.
mircea_popescu: no. cheaper to make these than those. cheaper to prescribe them. cheaper to take them.
mircea_popescu: in the very lowest sense of it all. cheaper in adp terms.
BingoBoingo: Psychiatry swings in an antipsychotic-antiepileptic-antipsychotic-antiepileptic pattern for bipolar
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo these aren't different.
mircea_popescu: psychiatry is being a slut while pretending she's having amorous complications.
mircea_popescu: it still fucks the same dude every night.
asciilifeform: is PeterL around ? let's look at the synthesis for either.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but they switch around condom brands
asciilifeform: i don't see anything in the structures that would suggest a substantial difference in cost per kg.
asciilifeform: of, e.g., 'depakote' vs dextraamphetamine
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your argument will reduce to something like "making 1950s bachelite and fuel oil is '''cheaper''' than making diesel and wd40". this is equivalent to saying "z80 is cheaper to make than pentium 3". both are incorrect.
mircea_popescu: pentium 3 is ACTUALLY cheaper to make than z80 ever was.
asciilifeform: z80 is absolutely cheaper.
mircea_popescu: "absolutely" is a meaningless term. yes, you think it exists. good for you.
asciilifeform: unless one goes 'but no one is tooled for it'
mircea_popescu: but outside of your pinning it down, it does not exist.
mircea_popescu: it's not that "no one is tooled for it". it's that theyre not TOOLABLE for it. and if they WERE, it'd be expensive.
mircea_popescu: consider home cooking. it is ABSOLUTELY the cheapest way to feed a fambly.
mircea_popescu: except, not.
mircea_popescu: there isn't this "absolutely" .
deedbot-: [Trilema] Chez Cocus, or the Argentinian Chorus -
mircea_popescu: in the world where women cook as a matter of course, cooking is MORE EXPENSIVE than in the world where cooking would be "absolutely" less expensive but women would kill themselves if you allowed them in a kitchen
mircea_popescu: does this coallesce into sense on your side ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of nothing related, anyone recall the original patrick naughton trial ? compuserve exec, flew to La to meet a 40yo FBI agent that had been posing as a 13 yo girl in a dads&daughers sex chatroom. hung jury : all women voted to convict ; all men voted he;s innocent.
asciilifeform: hung != acquit
mircea_popescu: somehow THAT gender gap doesn't figure too prominently in "feminist" discourse today
mircea_popescu: but i think it informs, subconsciously, ALL of it.
asciilifeform: re: previous thread: i get the hypothesis, but it falls apart re: z80 specifically. as it is... still made. and is about $5 in qty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc he went to work as an exeprty in fucking teens for the fbi afterwards.
mircea_popescu: so yes, it did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform $5 does not describe the price.
mircea_popescu: see my bottles of wine. also $5. or, less.
mircea_popescu: pentium costs $0.
asciilifeform: wai wut
assbot: Chez Cocus, or the Argentinian Chorus on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
asciilifeform: in the sense of go-dig-up-from-the-skip ?
asciilifeform: yes, $0
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, "put on provision slip, sign, costs nothing"
mircea_popescu: go, put z80 on the list.
asciilifeform: how does it 'cost nothing' ?
asciilifeform: pray to god, he drops a pallet down ?
mircea_popescu: suppose you're in soviet russia.
mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.
mircea_popescu: if you want a general motors truck ?
mircea_popescu: your wife's cunt costs 0. teen poon costs... how much does it cost ? as alf says "might as well me from mars."
mircea_popescu: what company you ever heard of had a debate over "windows licensing costs" ?
asciilifeform: this is handy for the present day but does not explain how the pieces on the board got to where they are
mircea_popescu: "hey, maybe we should use linux, it's cheaper". sure, as a red herring for "red hat", which is not linux.
mircea_popescu: well, they got to where they are through a succession of present days.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the mathematical sleigh of hand called "induction" rite.
asciilifeform: incidentally, for the two kinds of dope picked for this comparison, the packaging and distribution costs dwarf the actual cost of producing the pill
mircea_popescu: i show today and tomorrow and i won.
mircea_popescu: which is why we strictly ignore it.
asciilifeform: so what was cheaper on day 0 ?
mircea_popescu: you familiar with this, yes ? the romans kept going "why would someone farm when he could heroicly steal women and shit ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem of reality is that for things to work, things don't actually have to work.
asciilifeform: except where they do.
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mircea_popescu: which is just another restatement of "people are insane" which is pretty much the oldest observation in the book that everyone keeps restating self-importantly and lo, it's voltaire! it's nietsche! it's existentialism! it's your grandmother vigin! etgc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they never do. that's the problem. by the time the war is lost, the people who lost it are dead. that's the thing.
mircea_popescu: yes the people that won won. but this means nothing in context.
mircea_popescu: ofcourse they were gonna win etc.
asciilifeform is palpably confused
mircea_popescu: look, let's go at it this way. in your own private experience, as a witness, how many times did a horde of idiots on some idiot forum know better than me ?
mircea_popescu: i'm still here, they as individuals are not. but they as group are still here. perhaps to outlast me.
asciilifeform: as per the 'infinite hitpoints' article from mircea_popescu's www, aha
mircea_popescu: the idiot can not lose, because by the time he's lost he's gone. where's the neobee schmuck ?
mircea_popescu: not around, that;s where.
asciilifeform: or my personal favourite 'cockroaches will inherit the earth'
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, there is no "unless it does". yes, they'll die.
mircea_popescu: they'll die anyway.
mircea_popescu: things are only meaningful to those capable to perceive meaning, and this ALREADY means not-them.
mircea_popescu: in aother formulation.
mircea_popescu: if multiverse, and if in ALL possible verses picking a on X quesdtion results in annihilation, this means exactly nothing. the a pickers aren't in any way different from the non-a pickers.
mircea_popescu: "oh, the end of their world is visible from our world". a) no, it isn't ; b) so ?
mircea_popescu: in a very amusing (to me) twist, this is actually in the fucking patristics (the wanna-be mishnah of xtianity). "your reward be not of this world" etc.
asciilifeform: i thought that was a standard 'jam tomorrow'
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mircea_popescu: so you did.
mircea_popescu: but if there's one criticism that can not be put at the feet of the scholasticis, it is superficiality.
mircea_popescu: it's a very plain statement that dunning-kruger, and consequently, the reward for being not an idiot is not accessible in idiot terms.
asciilifeform: this - yes.
mircea_popescu: this for some reason has to be stated.
asciilifeform: hell, this was even in (pre-braindamage) paul graham
asciilifeform: in his 'blub' article.
mircea_popescu: generally it is a common mark of middling sanity.
assbot: Beating the Averages ... ( )
mircea_popescu: but back to our point of interest : your expectation that "z80" and "pentium" costs can be meaningfully compared breaks down.
mircea_popescu: when they can be compared, z80 loses. where they be meaningfully compared, common ground breaks down.
mircea_popescu: so - efficient markets, yes. but only if markets. and there's no guarantee everything you imagine can be a market.
mircea_popescu: this is trivially understood either through geometry or high physics. there are fewer things than you can write equations for.
asciilifeform: recall the crashing flashlight ?
asciilifeform: and yes, cost is not a scalar. but as someone who actually buys things i am led to partially differentiate. i.e. if i personally need max cpu ~quantity~ for my personal bag of money, i will be buying z80.
mircea_popescu: and if you want maximum sploodge for your penis you buy brunettes.
mircea_popescu: what of it ?
mircea_popescu: art is art.
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nubbins`: sez u
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BingoBoingo: Oh, nubbins` the celebrity is back
nubbins`: autographs for only 5 tx fees
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mircea_popescu: how much for autogripes ?
BingoBoingo: !t m s.butts
assbot: I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
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BingoBoingo: shinohai: You around?
BingoBoingo: Or anyone else who wants to cut their teeth on a qntra story?
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mircea_popescu: "If you ever do find yourself working for a startup, here's a handy tip for evaluating competitors. Read their job listings. Everything else on their site may be stock photos or the prose equivalent, but the job listings have to be specific about what they want, or they'll get the wrong candidates." << this is actually very much correct.
mircea_popescu: "we don't care what the unknown animal sounds like. what does it eat ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this misses a fairly big chunk of reality, where hiring is not done publicly but through meatwot
asciilifeform: esp. in small firms
mircea_popescu: but you know WHO they hired.
mircea_popescu: but I know who they hired.
asciilifeform: only if you have a mole
mircea_popescu: i've seen many skins, i've yet to meet one without a single mole on it.
mircea_popescu: investigation continues.
asciilifeform: << would be entertaining to hear more of this
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 00:28:18; mircea_popescu: heck, the fucking "expat" group in costa rica had it./
assbot: Investment in Factom - London Stock Exchange ... ( )
mircea_popescu: not really too much to tell. buncha old dudes who couldn't really afford to live in the states [to their expectations], hitting the casinos and the 5 foot nothing whores of san jose.
asciilifeform: aka 'brass pole in bangkok'
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mircea_popescu: except cheaper.
asciilifeform: but where's the 'ustardation' ? all i see thus far is poverty
mircea_popescu: in the pretense.
mircea_popescu: seriously, if all yhou have are "not enough money to be a retired midwestern mobster" what you do is go south and try to pretend ?
asciilifeform: pretense how? is the refrigerator box a hobo lives in a pretense of a house ? or merely the only house he can afford
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : cargo cult is what savages / pacific islanders / subhuman monkeys do as a reaction to exposure to actual hjuman beings and their civilisation.
asciilifeform: but how is this a cargo cult? what i'm seeing is a very small but functioning airplane
asciilifeform: vs one of sticks and mud
asciilifeform: 'Factom's software allows companies to maintain a permanent, time-stamped record of their data tied to blockchains, reducing the cost and complexity of conducting audits, managing records, and complying with government regulations. n the financial services industry, Factom tools let customers build transparent accountability systems for the financial industry, helping clients build immutable records that can be synced and shar
asciilifeform: ed among multiple parties. The validation and verification tools let the client audit these transactions in real time or run more sophisticated business process analysis of systems in the future.'
asciilifeform: 'blockchains'
asciilifeform is mildly curious re: whether this flavour of nonsense even pretends to physically exist, as product, or is straight bezzle laundry
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Story is in Crowdfunders are now recast as "software licensees"
asciilifeform: advertise 'we sold ten tonnes of meat', but no reason to mention what % is maggot
BingoBoingo: Low hanging, yet not particularly urgent fruit for anyone who wants to try their hand at a qntra
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