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mats: I suspect daesh anticipated this play (not the first time its been used) and exploited USG willingness to aid
mircea_popescu: possibru
mats: I can't think of anyone capable of opposing them on the field
mircea_popescu: the ru aren't infantry capable either.
mircea_popescu: they got a good plane, which keeps the us in check. but infantry wise...
mircea_popescu: infantry is hard.
mircea_popescu: they got 5-10k elite, and they're playing heroes of might and magic with them around the map. because even one lost is a horribru disaster. not replenishable.
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mats: I am considering how to word the terms of a bet regarding the fall of Baghdad in a year's time
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why not replenishable ?
pete_dushenski: "The hockey stick told us that the recent warming period (1950 to 1998) was unusual in the last thousand years and that this sort of sudden warming had (supposedly) never happened before and that man’s CO2 emissions were (presumably) the cause."
mats: got a suggestion? I'll lay out a couple coins for it
pete_dushenski: "As noted above it was an extraordinary claim, yet it was accepted instantly without checking it. This had the effect of destroying the credibility of the IPCC and the previously respected publication Nature."
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and 'climategate' Unhappened, yes
pete_dushenski: "Basically, Mann had mined many series of numbers looking for hockey stick shapes and gave each series that had the shape he wanted a much higher weight, up to a weighting factor of 392!"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: whisked under the rug. aha
asciilifeform: btw that was orlov's lowest point, imho
pete_dushenski: "Contrary to the myth that 97% of climate scientists believe we are headed toward a man-made climate doom, the truth is that a very small group of second rate climate scientists have captured the attention of some prominent political and media figures. "
asciilifeform: he wrote a piece ~literally~, i shit thee not, arguing that it Does Not Count Because Stolen
asciilifeform: as in, seriously argued that no one must take the revelations into account
asciilifeform: Because It Was Stolen
pete_dushenski: sounds like judge who released mass murderer free and clear because cops obtained evidence poorly, only to have murderer continue spree
asciilifeform: then he deleted the whole thing.
assbot: A detailed review of the book: ‘A Disgrace to the Profession’, by Mark Steyn | Watts Up With That? ... ( )
asciilifeform: the climategate thing is why i do not credit mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: orlov being a minion of moscow. orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy
asciilifeform: of climatocalypse, 'black lives', the whole shebang.
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: could also be flexible tether on leash
asciilifeform: (incidentally, did anyone else notice how the recent 'police brutality' mediatronic kick began immediately after several sheriffs in usa openly declared intent to nullify federal laws ?
asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.
asciilifeform: and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in.
pete_dushenski: it's not clear to me that the fedcops are enjoying such a sterling reputation these days
asciilifeform: they don't need to.
asciilifeform: just to fill the power vacuum
asciilifeform: that will form when the local police are 'regulated' and then castrated.
asciilifeform: then usa gets a 'guardia civil' like every other major industrialized country.
pete_dushenski: bah. the more valuable chain wins. in whose eyes though, i can't say
asciilifeform: unified under 'dhs'
pete_dushenski: that sounds like the stage is set for cops v cops
pete_dushenski: which, hey, is fine by me
asciilifeform: for crushing rebellion, one uses troops from far-off places, rather than sympathetic locals. this was known to romans, persians, everyone.
asciilifeform: polizei from wisconsin will shoot floridians. from alaska, in california.
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
Vexual: well then
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the line-up to be a merc ~on us soil~ must be shallower than obama's veil of intelligence
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what line-up. employees follow orders in usa.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: just like su conscripts happily massacred rioting factory workers. and it was hushed up well enough that even westerners are surprised to be told about it (incidents in 1960s)
pete_dushenski: back when hushing up was possible, sure.
pete_dushenski: now : digital age
asciilifeform: works better than ever.
asciilifeform: via folks giving less of a shit than ever.
asciilifeform: about anything.
asciilifeform: and there being fewer ~people~ in the genuine sense of the word, than ever, to give said shit.
pete_dushenski: except people who actually give a shit have never had better tools at their disposal
pete_dushenski: doesn't take many
pete_dushenski: in fact, it takes fewer than ever before
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: Novocherkassk massacre (there is some material in engl.)
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu << apparently this, too, exists in english.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ' 1969 a disastrous decision was taken to standardise all production on clones of the IBM 360 series, half a decade old before the effort to reverse-engineer it even began, which would ensure that ever after the Soviet industry was doomed to obsolescence, and to feeble belated imitations of foreign technology. This, taken from Boris Malinovsky’s Pioneers of Soviet Computing, is the conversation that killed the industry.
asciilifeform: It’s 18th December 1969; the scene is Minradioprom, the Ministry for Radio Production...'
asciilifeform: ^ as seen in ancient logz.
Vexual: havy
Vexual: one eyed fuckin beasts
Vexual: recycling stuff for a purpose
assbot: Black pitmasters left out of US barbecue boom - BBC News ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Oh, I come back from the baseball game and asciilifeform has some leads for me to qntra mebbe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not replenishable because the natural rate of decay through aging is negative. ie, su shittifies like everything. if in 2000 it could produce 0.0001% of population, in 2020 it can produce only 0.0000965%. as population itself declines, the natural size of the thing shrinks. 10k in 2000, 9972 in 2001 etc.
mircea_popescu: think in terms of "talented soccer players" or anything else, it's the exact same story.
mircea_popescu: "progress" means, smaller contingents of anything useful as time goes by.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> "Contrary to the myth that 97% of climate scientists believe we are headed toward a man-made climate doom, the truth is that a very small group of second rate climate scientists have captured the attention of some prominent political and media figures. " <<< this is how "gamergate" happened too, and everthing else. "race relations", "gender issues", you name it.
mircea_popescu: a tiny group of second rate twerps THAT KNOW they're second rate band together, and because the world is so sick on this "everyone's equal" jizz, they can't be repressed effectually.
BingoBoingo: Also my team was playing one of asciilifeform's local teams. Washington DC lost.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> then he deleted the whole thing. << the truly damning part.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy <<< and moscow does not ? puhleaze.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in. << i'm buying in because i do not believe local resistence is a good idea. the whole thing should burn, and pockets of sanity just make the burn last longer and hurt more.
BingoBoingo: << St Louis in its northern parts got radiotracers sprayed around
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 22:14:20; ascii_field: iirc san fran.
mircea_popescu: "Mastering the operating system of the IBM-360 will require 2200 man-years and 700 workers. "
mircea_popescu: fucking noobs.
mircea_popescu would have enjoyed working with stalin on soviet computing
asciilifeform: << mastering, l0l. almost certainly a mistranslation from освоение
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 05:38:14; mircea_popescu: "Mastering the operating system of the IBM-360 will require 2200 man-years and 700 workers. "
asciilifeform: which is not the same thing at all
asciilifeform: 'to make one's own'
asciilifeform: rather, 'to make [subject] one's own'
asciilifeform: << there are, for practical purposes, two 'moscows' - the harvardized one and the actual one.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 05:33:47; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> orlov fellates the boston harvaprinceyaleton liberast-wing-usg orthodoxy <<< and moscow does not ? puhleaze.
asciilifeform: whether they will ever be cut apart, or die together, i do not know.
asciilifeform: << pretty much nobody else is showing any symptoms of having an idea as to ~what~ they are buying into.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 05:34:43; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and just about everybody, right, left, center, happily buying in. << i'm buying in because i do not believe local resistence is a good idea. the whole thing should burn, and pockets of sanity just make the burn last longer and hurt more.
asciilifeform: imho it is this.
asciilifeform: the dhs camps.
BingoBoingo: << IRS treats expenditure optimization frequently the same as "structuring" and other not crimes that are somehow crimes.
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 23:53:24; mircea_popescu: and no stack's not fucking germane. he was trying to insulate HIS INCOME. i was discussing optimizing YOUR EXPENDITURE. not like items.
BingoBoingo: Also apparently matheney still has a job
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2014 22:19:37; mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform putin's fighting hard with himself to stay away the harvoscow.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo makes 0 sense to me, seeing how you already paid tax on it, but then again i don;t live there
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's part of the US department of words really don't mean anything anymore
mircea_popescu: in that sense might as well just endorse your paycheck to obama and forgetdaboutit
mircea_popescu: i guess that's what half the country tis doing anyway so...myeahk
BingoBoingo: What paycheck?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally it occurs to me - one theory that'd very well fit the soviet ibm insanity would be, "the captive thief". ie, a guy so enamoured with the idea that "this calculator is hot (ie, stolen)" that he'll gladly expend $1500 to get a shitty pocket calculator, instead of $1100 to get a 10x as powerful desktop.
mircea_popescu: IF ITS STOLEN ITS +EV!!11
mircea_popescu: "despite the objections from Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia." << romania ignored the soviets throughout, decided to make its own. they... sucked.
mircea_popescu: in "random news from stupid island" : xmacro is pretty much the only workable linux keyboard/mouse emulator.
mircea_popescu: it arbitrarily decided to round all delays to the integer second.
mircea_popescu: "who could ever conceivably want microsecond delays!!11"
punkman: tried ahk?
mircea_popescu: "AutoHotkey: macro and automation Windows scripting language" ?
assbot: AutoHotkey ... ( )
punkman: hmm, guess I misremember as working on linux
mircea_popescu: "AutoHotkey (AHK) is a free, open-source macro-creation and automation software for Windows that allows users to automate repetitive tasks."
mircea_popescu: holy shit omfg.
mircea_popescu: i forgot this world exists where "download" = "here's a binary"
punkman: that's what most linux distros do, no?
mircea_popescu: notrly. well...
mircea_popescu: i guess huh.
punkman: just because it's called apt-get install doesn't mean it's any different
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as part of the perennial hate of ru in ro, "Shura-Bura" is how you say "utter nonsense"
mircea_popescu: it's called V!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guarantee you 90% of campus drone usage is to take shower pic of the 3 not-obese females per campus.
BingoBoingo: Almsot certainly
mircea_popescu: sane uni admin would just hire a few dozen models to walk around the campus nude all day.
mircea_popescu: cheaper than any initiative to retain athletes they could come up with
BingoBoingo: Really that's what seperates "good" and "bad" schools nowadays
fluffypony: I have a 36x zoom on one of my drones
fluffypony: and there's no way I'm spying on anyone's shower
fluffypony: I'd get WAY better shots from a DSLR with a telephoto zoom lens
mats: BingoBoingo: re: bip-101-syndicate-shares-fiat-ties-opposition-to-actual-bitcoin some corrections: '... damning VC behind the [reins]', some commas here: 'Goldman Sachs, purely fiat institution, is a majority shareholder of Moneygram, a cash ...'
mats: er: 'a purely fiat'
BingoBoingo: mats: fixed, I think
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 23:10:57; trinque: tax avoidance is a foolish move if you're dealing in their currency
mats: I think some care should be taken to minimize passive voice usage in future pieces
punkman: fluffypony: big lens is too expensive, better get a small telescope
punkman definitely spent more time looking at windows than space
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punkman: oh wow ebay now has chinese 420-800mm lens for 50 bucks
assbot: Bill Cosby portrait in 'rapeseed' pulled from State Fair - ... ( )
shinohai: <<< well that certainly was nice to wake up to.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 07:08:41; mircea_popescu: and one for shinohai
cazalla: <<< obviously the telegraph obstructs the viewer from seeing the gun in his other hand
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 21:19:51; ascii_field: BingoBoingo et al:
assbot: Purdue's new student loan program literally invests in their students - ... ( )
punkman: "Beginning in 2016, University President Mitch Daniels wants to allow private investors to invest in the success of Purdue students using a new financial model: Income Share Agreements (ISA)."
pete_dushenski: ^sounds like williamdunne's scheme from a few months back
punkman: I worked on a project that involved predicting future student income for such purposes couple years back.
punkman: seems pretty hopeless
pete_dushenski: how did your project work ?
punkman: something like: get average salary stats for (degree, company, job title etc), match those up to resumes, pretend like derp getting degree matches the model
pete_dushenski: strange.
assbot: scienceabhorsyou comments on Inside the Movement to Build a Bitcoin-Powered Reddit ... ( )
cazalla: pete_dushenski, you snipped? (circumcision questions got the better of my curiosity tbh)
cazalla: or is it the norm for secular jews to maintain their foreskin?
cazalla: <<< 36x zoom to go along with the night vision and camo eh?
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 07:15:06; fluffypony: I have a 36x zoom on one of my drones
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cazalla: "What does it say, too, that Bond is a fantasy figure for a Britain that no longer exists, an Imperial warrior who satisfies the rest of our vicarious appetites – no longer as easily fulfilled as they once were – to travel to exotic locations, execute the natives and then have sex with their women?"
assbot: Daniel Craig Is Esquire's October Cover Star - Esquire ... ( )
fluffypony: cazalla: I work with wildlife fire and rescue and the local anti-poaching groups
fluffypony: so it's for that
mircea_popescu: <punkman> oh wow ebay now has chinese 420-800mm lens for 50 bucks << aha. and for all the pretense of the swiss from 20 years ago, 2015 800mm chinese lens beats 1985 zeiss lens.
punkman: not true in my experience
mircea_popescu: <punkman> seems pretty hopeless << actually some derpy "artists" were airing this nonsensical scheme a few years ago. it basically reduces to "isn't it unfair that only some 6/7 chicks get to pretend like they're artists on daddy's dime ? why shouldn't i have a daddy like that!"
mircea_popescu: it went nowhere. but i guess if the govt gets involved it'll be a great success.
mircea_popescu: punkman how do you measure ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: certainly modern lenses did get better, but the cheap chinese lenses on ebay are rarely better than cheap vintage glass
punkman: I have not measured other than casual use of them
mircea_popescu: dollar for dollar or how do you match ?
mircea_popescu: obviously cheapest that can be had today is worse than most expensive that could be had 30 years ago.
punkman: you can't really get anything but "cheapest" from china these days
mircea_popescu: heh. yeap, imperial policy since forever.
punkman: there's a few soviet factories that still make decent lenses by the way
shinohai loves Soviet vaccum tubes in his guitar amp.
punkman: on an interesting note, Zeiss was a pioneer in lithography optics for chip manufacturing
mircea_popescu: pretty much owned optics 100 years ago, moreso than the us or china own computing.
mircea_popescu: and yet...
mircea_popescu: "Tolstoy begins by saying that throughout life Shakespeare has aroused in him "an irresistible repulsion and tedium". Conscious that the opinion of the civilized world is against him, he has made one attempt after another on Shakespeare's works, reading and re-reading them in Russian, English and German; but "I invariably underwent the same feelings; repulsion, weariness and bewilderment". Now, at the age of seventy-fi
mircea_popescu: ve, he has once again re-read the entire works of Shakespeare, including the historical plays, and I have felt with an even greater force, the same feelings–this time, however, not of bewilderment, but of firm, indubitable conviction that the unquestionable glory of a great genius which Shakespeare enjoys, and which compels writers of our time to imitate him and readers and spectators to discover in him non-existent
mircea_popescu: merits–thereby distorting their aesthetic and ethical understanding–is a great evil, as is every untruth."
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha. who the fuck is tolstoy again.
kakobrekla: Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones.
shinohai: ik kakobrekla sometimes Chinese vendors try to sell fake Sovtek's xD
shinohai: I use EL-84's and this price is hard to beat:
assbot: Sovtek EL84 Power Vacuum Tube| ... ( )
kakobrekla: i suspekt there is more fake ones than real one on the market
punkman: kakobrekla: Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones. << they even bother to make fake capacitors
kakobrekla: the chinese on the other hand, go as 'low' as faking the current tube production lines.
kakobrekla: chinese faking chinese.
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davout: !up gill3s
shinohai: Epic haiku this am davout
davout: shinohai: it's not mine
davout: i just stole it
davout: but it indeed is fucking epic
shinohai: lol was funny at any rate.
davout: let me copy it here for greater glory nation kazakhstan
davout: reassuring words
davout: with eerie robot cadence
davout: hi i'm roger ver
shinohai: Got to run that through espeak just once.
punkman: !up ffmad
davout: oh god, i'm attratcting teh french
kakobrekla: if im seeing this right, network is still being spammed ?
davout: kakobrekla: what reddit says, might be true, my transactions are going through fine though
davout: with .001 fees
kakobrekla: yup, its incoming thats troublesome
kakobrekla: apparently im dealing with derps.
davout: said every single serious bitcoin professional at least a few times a year
davout: shinohai: amazing
shinohai: Without espeak, trolling others would be far less fun.
assbot: 15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( )
shinohai: lol I was discussing w/ someone the other day hw he is going for that Gavin look in that article.
shinohai: Because the last "young genius" we got out of Ethereum was so talented, especially in the field of security.
fluffypony: what's that phrase Vitalik is so fond of
fluffypony: oh yes
fluffypony: "weak subjectivity"
fluffypony: which is code for "decentralised and secure, but only in the weakest possible sense of the phrase"
assbot: BitPay calls on industry to form 'Bitcoin Association' ... ( )
fluffypony: What's in a name? that which we call a Foundation
fluffypony: By any other name would smell as rotten;
assbot: Proof of Stake: How I Learned to Love Weak Subjectivity - Ethereum Blog ... ( )
fluffypony: shinohai: I know, I sometimes read that blog post when I've feeling down and I need to laugh at something
shinohai: LOLZ
davout: fluffypony: i've recently joined #bitcoinxt for that purpose
davout: they apparently want to admit that "my crowd is behind the XT DDoS"
fluffypony: your crowd?
davout: "aren't you guys based in russia or something, bulgaria wherever it is?"
fluffypony: like you had a Kickstarter for it?
davout: they clarified with "the mpex crowd specifically"
shinohai: Anduck is in there, kek.
davout: fluffypony: nice one
shinohai: I like that though, "Aren't yu guys based in russia or something"?
davout: bulgaria
shinohai: No, iz GLORIOUS NATION of Kazakhstan
shinohai: Hue, I wish I had been there. "Yeah. Aren't you guys based in Mom's basement?"
davout: i invited the guy over and told him that he'd be fine (unless he's a jew of course)
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shinohai: The scene from that movies where they stay with the older Jewish couple is probably one of the funniest goddamned things I have ever seen.
mircea_popescu: un-circus sized jew is still ok
davout: obligatory we-should-stop-with-the-racist-jokes.jpg
mircea_popescu: fat can't race.
assbot: Buffett FAQ ... ( )
davout: there's a problem when your faq has 463 questions listed
funkenstein_: from punkman's link "The good thing about business is that you don’t have to know any higher math. It may be an advantage not to know it. [CM: Yes, it is. If you know it, you feel the need to use it.] "
funkenstein_: lol at Tolstoy quote, thanks :)
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mircea_popescu: !up rombou
funkenstein_: as I haven't reread any Tolstoy in German or Russian, I must withhold comment
mircea_popescu: certainly a better novelist than literary critic / sociophilosopher / w/e he fancied himself.
mircea_popescu: "Soon after I arrived at Crossgates (not immediately, but after a week or two, just when I seemed to be settling into routine of school life) I began wetting my bed. I was now aged eight, so that this was a reversion to a habit which I must have grown out of at least four years earlier.
mircea_popescu: Nowadays, I believe, bed-wetting in such circumstances is taken for granted. It is a normal reaction in children who have been removed from their homes to a strange place. In those days, however, it was looked on as a disgusting crime which the child committed on purpose and for which the proper cure was a beating."
mircea_popescu: see alf, the crumbling of the empire starts in the craddle.
mircea_popescu: pissantry is "a normal reaction"!11
mircea_popescu: the pissants have come to expect
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asciilifeform: << what 'its own' ? afaik there were z80, 6502, and a few pdp-compatibles. nothing 'own'.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 06:22:52; mircea_popescu: "despite the objections from Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia." << romania ignored the soviets throughout, decided to make its own. they... sucked.
asciilifeform: (just like in su of the period)
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 08:40:37; cazalla: or is it the norm for secular jews to maintain their foreskin?
asciilifeform: << after 1945 zeiss was shipped wholesale - complete with all equipment, and enslaved staff - to su, and put to work there
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 10:10:54; punkman: there's a few soviet factories that still make decent lenses by the way
asciilifeform: there is still a 'zeiss' in germany, but it is not the pre-'45 one
asciilifeform: << it is surprisingly difficult to make a proper tube. and various crud makers cut 'optional' corners like the cesium 'getter' (shiny spot near the head)
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 11:05:45; kakobrekla: Soviet vaccum tubes < there is a whole industry dedicated to making fake ones.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 11:55:30; davout: let me copy it here for greater glory nation kazakhstan
assbot: Logged on 02-11-2013 00:07:12; asciilifeform: when i read these pitches, i can't help but recall: "...Filtration System A Marvel to Behold! It Removes Eighty Percent of Human Solid Waste!"
assbot: Kazakhstan You Very Nice Place - YouTube ... ( )
asciilifeform: strike that
assbot: Borat (2006) - Credits (Full Kazakhstan anthem videoclip) - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 13:32:07; mircea_popescu: the pissants have come to expect
assbot: Kuwait event plays Borat parody as Kazakhstan national anthem - YouTube ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ famous
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assbot: Refugees Welcome | This is the international website of the berlin-based project ‘Flüchtlinge Willkommen’ ... ( )
kakobrekla: < the art of tube making died with the people who made them.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 13:54:10; asciilifeform: << it is surprisingly difficult to make a proper tube. and various crud makers cut 'optional' corners like the cesium 'getter' (shiny spot near the head)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you may be surprised to learn that it is not dead. ru still makes.
asciilifeform: on same equipment as in '80s and prior.
asciilifeform: but go and find them in your lands, aha.
punkman: yes and the derps buy it from the one ru factory and rebrand it 50 different ways
asciilifeform: best bet - 'ebay', old su stock.
kakobrekla: often fake.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you got a convincing fake ?!
asciilifeform: or just a pile of rocks in an old su cardboard box
kakobrekla: convincing fake = looks same on pic as original ?
asciilifeform: looks similar, sorta works, the lot.
kakobrekla: but entirely different beast inside
kakobrekla: starting off with poor vacuum.
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 14:03:35; asciilifeform: i, for one, only have a mechanical vacuum pump. it clatters, spits oil. would have looked at home in edison's house. i know that i will not be making so much as a triode valve with this pump.
shinohai: I tried the Chinese tubes, but seems they don't like the slightest amount of overheating.
assbot: From Russia, With Dread - New York Times ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ lulzy. arsonist sets fire, buys up assets at fire sale, then complains when folks whack him over the head to take back the stolen goods
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry arse if he were to do so.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:52:56; asciilifeform: the pub is really the property of the freeloaders, or local chieftain, whoever; the 'owner' is simply a clown kept around for entertainment value and while he brings over friends to spend usd
punkman: asciilifeform: who's the arsonist?
kakobrekla: here is a few examples of fakes, but this covers only a small portion of the picture
assbot: FAKE TUBES LIKE ECC803S and others ... ( )
asciilifeform: lulzy! even nazi tubes faked
kakobrekla: indeed
asciilifeform: the photo at the end is priceless
kakobrekla: aha :)
shinohai: bwahahahaha "tube shredder"
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i often wonder why did not catch on
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2014 22:18:37; asciilifeform: this was actually a serious leap in vacuum tube tech - they didn't need to be pumped, or made of glass
asciilifeform: and from the earlier link,
asciilifeform: 'In the hulking pile of brick wrapped in pipes and smokestacks that is the building, most of the employees are women. Dressed in blue robes and hair nets, they join together delicate bundles of wire, wafers of rare metal and glass bulbs with fingers trained by years of work. "No man would want to make a tube," Lyudmila V. Afanasieva, 54, said, nimbly sliding wires into a glass cylinder. She worked on the same tube model when i
asciilifeform: t went into nuclear submarines that prowled off the coast of the United States.'
kakobrekla: heh yeah no pump, still needs vacuum
asciilifeform: i wonder if the fake folks skip the diffusion pump
kakobrekla: < whole production line at a show
assbot: Mullard - The Blackburn Vacuum Tubes Factory (Full) - YouTube ... ( )
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: << ~the~ mega-film re: tubemaking.
assbot: Hand Made Vacuum Tubes by Claude Paillard - YouTube ... ( )
asciilifeform: linked here on several occasions, iirc.
asciilifeform: from scrap to tube.
kakobrekla: aha yeah saw that one.
kakobrekla: early production gz34 tubes from mullard blackburn facotry go for 500 to 1k
kakobrekla: used ones
kakobrekla: people.
asciilifeform: because voodoo?
kakobrekla: and magicks.
asciilifeform: same 'people' who put green paint on cd to 'improve sound', and buy $50k cabling ?
punkman: "audiophiles"
kakobrekla: dunno, i havent tested that particular one myself.
kakobrekla: they are supposed to be quite durable tho, 10khrs +
asciilifeform: see, when i heard of 'fake tubes', my first thought was something like an old burned-out one but with some chinese semiconductor strange in the plastic base, to emulate a working tube.
asciilifeform: now ~that~ would be hilarious.
asciilifeform: wonder how many audiophiliacs could tell the difference between a fifty-cent emulator (yes, it needs to eat the high supply voltages, but this is not hard) and the original.
asciilifeform: possibly using burned tube would not work on account of the filament failing to glow red
asciilifeform: but it is considerably easier to fake 'glows' than 'amplifies'
kakobrekla: you can hear the difference between solid state rectifier and tube rectifier over youtube.
asciilifeform: no shit
asciilifeform: but no one is ~trying~ to emulate
asciilifeform: and didja say rectifier ?! what, direct current from a mercury beast is more direct somehow than from my lab power supply ?
kakobrekla: tube sags
kakobrekla: other stuff also.
asciilifeform: so emulate the sag.
asciilifeform: what, no one cared to do this ?
kakobrekla: they emulate the package but not the full elect characteristics
kakobrekla: (can insert ss rectifier in tube socket, it will not sound like tube)
asciilifeform: my guess is that it is not actually so difficult, but no one has invested in genuinely trying, for the elementary reason that the green-magicmarker crowd will never buy it
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this is how "gamergate" happened too, and everthing else. << I was under the impression gamergate happened because d00d published blog about ex-gf cheating on him who works in games. That's at least what personally brought my attention to it.
assbot: Winged C ... ( )
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kakobrekla: > Paymium Raises 1 Million Euros < o hey congrats
kakobrekla: davout
kakobrekla: >BitFury Completes 16NM Bitcoin Mining ASIC Tape-Out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9966 @ 0.00069812 = 6.9575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40550 @ 0.0007008 = 28.4174 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.0007025 = 29.2943 BTC [+] {5}
shinohai: I see coinbase is expanding to Canada and ingapore. Gotta have eyes all over I guess.
shinohai: *Singapore
mike_c: coinbase is pretty global by now. they're up to 27 countries
shinohai: I guess I misunderstand economics. The shittier your service is and moar closely aligned with usg interests, the moar successful it becomes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38190 @ 0.00070291 = 26.8441 BTC [+] {3}
williamdunne: mike_c: closer to 18 IMO
mike_c: because some of them aren't really countries or because the service isn't really available?
jurov: mod6 i had "summertime cold" worse every year. it turned out it's actually an allergy
mod6: ahh, i've never had allergies. but.. maybe i guess. feel much better today :]
williamdunne: mike_c: Sorry I meant 16. And because for a whole bunch of the countries they process euros not the national currency
mike_c: ah
williamdunne: Bulgaria
williamdunne: Croatia
williamdunne: Czech Republic
williamdunne: Denmark
williamdunne: Hungary
williamdunne: Norway
williamdunne: Poland
williamdunne: Romania
williamdunne: Sweden
williamdunne: Switzerland
williamdunne: United Kingdom
assbot: » Paypal does not know how to detect fraud. ... ( )
williamdunne: 1% fee + 0-10euro SEPA fee + 0.5-3% currency conversion fee
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'I expected PayPal would have my back and worst case, the whole transaction would be reversed and nobody would be out anything.' << gold
ascii_field: 'Never in my wildest dreams would I have expected PayPal to accept screenshots from the seller, as proof of anything.'
williamdunne: For example at my bank it would cost me 1%, 13 euro, 4% currency conversion fee. But that's because UK banks are particularly terrible with SEPA
ascii_field: also the keeper of that www has paste-polluting js and needs to be strung up with piano wire.
punkman: "I know this is too good to be true but I'll try anyway"
punkman: I wonder if anyone has sold on ebay
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu guess what, they're 104's - 'connection reset by peer.' your end hangs up.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Wikipedia editors just banned 381 accounts over a huge fraud and extortion scandal | Fusion ... ( )
assbot: Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Orangemoody/Articles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
ascii_field: 'In this specific case, however, in order to prevent article subjects from continued shakedowns by bad actors who are causing significant harm to the reputation of this project, the articles are all being deleted. It is important to break the cycle of payment demands, and to make it clear that the Wikipedia community, and not a small group of paid editor accounts, controls the content of this project. This mass deletion
ascii_field: is without prejudice to recreation by experienced Wikipedians who believe that the subject is sufficiently notable for an article. We emphasize again that all indications are that the editing was not solicited by the article subjects.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00069497 = 9.7991 BTC [-]
shinohai: <<< I will not say anything racist, I will not say anything racist ....
assbot: Fox News anchor sues Hasbro over toy hamster with her name - Yahoo News ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20851 @ 0.00069702 = 14.5336 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Don't Use These Lame Acronyms If You Don't Want to Get Nabbed by the Feds - Bloomberg Business ... ( )
punkman: "“Taking a conversation offline provides evidence of intent because if you’re trying to cover your tracks, you probably know what you’re doing is wrong,”"
ascii_field: punkman: tastes ~great~ with a balanced diet of
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 21:04:08; ascii_field: 'The absence of evidence shouldn’t be viewed as proof of guilt, but tell that to the U.S. federal court—where Khairullozhon Matanov received a 30-month sentence in mid-June, in part for deleting his browser history. Though he wasn’t an accomplice in the Boston bombing, the FBI charged that the friend of the Tsarnaev brothers with obstructing justice by destroying evidence in the case. That evidenc
punkman: aha
ascii_field: 'Evasion techniques can get creative. Raj Rajaratnam, the fund manager convicted in 2011 of insider trading, would write “fon” instead of “phone.” Prosecutors said they suspected the intentional misspelling was meant to distract the all-seeing electronic Javert of Control-F.' << gold
ascii_field: '“They use terms to find evidence of whether someone is trying to hide their activities because evidence of a cover-up is frequently more potent than the evidence of the alleged crime,” Brodsky said.'
ascii_field: now if only crypto and stego had been invented
ascii_field: but customers'd never have accepted ! (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: (with above)
assbot: hardware - Does a commercially available self destructing HDD (set in BIOS) exist? - Information Security Stack Exchange ... ( )
ascii_field: grep for 'no need' even.
ascii_field: there is always, always a shitgnome 'you don't need this, move along' commenter.
assbot: 13 Absurd Reasons "Manspreaders" Use to Defend Their Right to Spread on the Subway - Mic ... ( )
mike_c: those all seem legit to me
mike_c: "Because I got balls to take care of." nuff said.
BingoBoingo: indeed
assbot: The world isn’t paying enough attention to Latin America’s child-bride problem - Quartz ... ( )
punkman: the world doesn't know how the world works
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 18:25:13; mircea_popescu: the fact that most of the world agrees girls can marry once they can walk, that doesn't count.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
deedbot-: accepted: 1
shinohai: "I'm hoping at this point he muses about it equally ineffectively for the rest of the year." LOLZ
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00070294 = 4.4988 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Wikipedia Bans Hundreds of Accounts Over Alleged Paid Editing -
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
trinque: not seeing much about Russia in Syria aside from on Zero Hedge, InfoWars, etc
trinque:,7340,L-4696268,00.html << can anyone familiar with Israeli news comment on the bullshit factor of this site?
trinque: emacs is a giant complex piece of shit. changed nothing, upgraded nothing, yet it hangs at startup
ascii_field: trinque: emacs --debug-init
trinque: doesn't seem to be crapping debug info to either the terminal who launched or the emacs window
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00070364 = 9.077 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: remove .emacs-bufflst, .emacs-places, and, as last resort, remove (after backing up) .emacs
trinque: yeah starts right up without the init.el; I'll have to hack things out and see where it's hanging
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.0006965 = 37.9941 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: vi init.el # the sadness...
mod6: :D
jurov: requires nano ~/.vimrc first
mod6: haha
trinque: :'''(
trinque: my beautiful unix sandcastle
shinohai: We can't all have Stepford wives.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Page Unavailable ... ( )
ben_vulpes: shinohai: cascadian witch
ben_vulpes: incantations and built in furniture
BingoBoingo: ty ascii_field
assbot: Ashley Madison abusing DMCA “to put genie back in the bottle,” EFF says | Ars Technica ... ( )
shinohai: I like your idea better ben_vulpes. Wife implies marriage and I sure as hell have had my lifetime dose of that.
mats: is there any way to look at the active mpoe order book (ie, the way 'mpexbot' used to spit 'em out with '$depth <asset>')?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00069497 = 11.745 BTC [-]
mats: kakobrekla: if you would parse that with assbot as 'empyex' and 'mpexbot' are nao defunct i'd be grateful
kakobrekla: !mp book
kakobrekla: !mp ticker
mats: could i prevail upon you to present that in a human readable manner?
punkman: kakobrekla: I think that means XML instead of json
kakobrekla: how do you want it so its not spammin chan?
mats: its ok with me if it only works in privmsg
kakobrekla: mebbe later
deedbot-: [Qntra] Silicon Valley City Contemplates Surveillance Equipment on Garbage Trucks -
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> how do you want it so its not spammin chan? << stream as bz2 compressed xml
kakobrekla: you mean JBIG2?
punkman: JBIG2 and send it through snapchat
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: sure, prolly also base256 encode the output
kakobrekla: hm, binary coded decimals would be easier to humanparse.
BingoBoingo: beautiful
assbot: Cops decide to collect less license plate data after 80GB drive got full | Ars Technica ... ( )
BingoBoingo: mats: Saw that, could be disinfo
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: poor backwoods cops
ascii_field: fed disks don't get full.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.
mats: i dunno that the feds could even find folks qualified and willing to do a job like that
ascii_field: what means 'qualified' ?
ascii_field: as for 'willing', no shortage of dea/fbi/dhs/etc. goons today
mats: americans are fat as fuck, barely anyone these days can pass a BMI evaluation and run 2mi in reasonable time
ascii_field: no shortage of 19 y.o. not fat yet.
ascii_field: and eager to kill something.
assbot: Recruits' Ineligibility Tests the Military - WSJ ... ( )
mats: >71% do not qualify for service
ascii_field: if they need to recruit mexicans in exchange for citizenship (roman-style) they will
mats: lol
mats: mexicans are even fatter, man
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 04:19:37; asciilifeform: for crushing rebellion, one uses troops from far-off places, rather than sympathetic locals. this was known to romans, persians, everyone.
ascii_field: anyway the 'too fat' thing is utterly irrelevant. they don't need to recruit million men for roman legion. but a few thousand for polizei duty - wacoing defenseless people, machine-gunning women and children, setting up public gallows, the lot
ascii_field: and how athletic does a man need to be to fly a robot bomber ?
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 20:43:53; asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
mats: waco victims were hardly defenseless. i follow what you're saying, particularly re: historical context, but i'm not convinced this is practicable in usa
ascii_field: whether the 'higher tech north kr' thing is 'practicable' or not, it will be tried. ~is~ being tried.
mats: the population hardly breaks a sweat killing a hundred feds a year in current form, plenty of poor excitable people that'd love to multiply that number 10^4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27141 @ 0.00068813 = 18.6765 BTC [-] {4}
ascii_field: mats: hardly defenseless ?! what were they supposed to do, with their pea-shooters, against tanks and planes ?
ascii_field: mats: that number comes from throats cut of informants, stoolies, lone agents on the roadside
ascii_field: i bet many times more of'em die in traffic.
ascii_field: also 'high tech north kr' is often misunderstood concept. there is normally no need for usg to shoot anyone. instead they will cancel your food-and-rent card.
mats: shoot heads and emplace ieds? breaching a building is hard, you know.
ascii_field: so they sit outside and wait for everyone inside to starve.
mats: obviously you'll get trampled either way, but this is far short of defenseless
ascii_field: works just as great today as in 500 b.c.
ascii_field: 'emplace ied' works when you have ten million sympathetic natives for partizans to hide among, be fed and clothed by
ascii_field: or at least a red army 500km away dropping occasional supplies
punkman: surely there are 10 million natives
mats: but when its not just 'waco' folks but a poor populace, suddenly its field offices being seiged by randoms, not 'waco'
mats: svbieds make big bang.
ascii_field: mats: problem is that no one in usa is so poor that he is indifferent to whether the lights stay on and the toilet flushes
ascii_field: things that go away first of all when ied becomes a daily matter
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 23:30:50; asciilifeform: << afghan doesn't rely on food trucks, flush toilet, or mains wiring. fragile things.
ascii_field: unlike the turd world, in usa the poor folks are the first and instant loosers in any breakdown of civilization
mats: iraq does, to an extent. and yet isis finds bulldozers, scrap metal for diy armor, and fertilizer for container vans readily enough
ascii_field: (ted turner on his ranch doesn't give a fuck if the city burns)
ascii_field: iraq was nicely massaged into the bronze age by usg.
ascii_field: a necessary prerequisite to this kind of thing.
mats: perhaps we both see what we want to see, hear what we want to hear
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41400 @ 0.0006872 = 28.4501 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: novorussians were expected to rely on light and flush toilets, too
mats: i got a coin for you if this theory pans out
ascii_field: jurov: ru infrastructure was considerably less fragile. yet it, too, deteriorated.
ascii_field: for instance, incidents of folks falling into soft earth around leaking steam pipes, and boiling to death (along with any would-be rescuers) were a regular thing
ascii_field: in usa, there are things you wouldn't believe. the sewer lines are often run up hill, with pumping stations buried underground.
ascii_field: no mains current - no drain.
assbot: Logged on 27-06-2014 04:21:13; asciilifeform: that's a 'lift station.' normally sewer is operated by gravity. but often, for reasons of cost, a pipe will be laid uphill.
ascii_field: the basic reason why no one is voluntarily turning usa into iraq, regardless of usg abuses, is something like the english saying 'people in glass houses do not throw stones'
ascii_field: the other detail is probably demographic - iraq median age, according to usg, is ~20; usa - ~40 !
ascii_field: emma goldman supposedly said 'if i can't dance, i want nothing to do with your revolution'
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: well, in usa, if toilet doesn't flush and facebook doesn't load, they want nothing to do with it, likewise.
funkenstein_: re: waco, it's hard to get more helpless than kids trapped in buried school bus
funkenstein_: for those interested in old thread re: joe vialls, we have
assbot: Confirmation Tianjin was Nuked | Veterans Today ... ( )
shinohai: <<< probably why no one ever goes camping with me. At all.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:13:30; ascii_field: well, in usa, if toilet doesn't flush and facebook doesn't load, they want nothing to do with it, likewise.
ascii_field: camping is a sport, there is neither the permanence of the situation nor the hordes of crazed sheeple and their more-cannibalistic upper crust
shinohai: I love my tech, don't get me wrong. But a few nights in the desert or mountains does wonders for clearing away the clutter amongst the little grey bits.
ascii_field: shinohai: this is like comparing jumping from plane with and without parachute.
ascii_field: ALMOST same activity, aha
shinohai: -__-
ben_vulpes: regarding that ancient optimization of expenditures thread, in america the ceo will have to report his place of residence if purchased/rented by the company as income, correct asciilifeform, mircea_popescu?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: if title is in company's name, the income - theoretically - is only the market value of leasing the property
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes of course he will.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: but more generally, you don't get to play tax games in usa if you are small change.
mircea_popescu: of course you do.
mircea_popescu: and hi erryone!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for what it's worth, dc swears up and down and has under grilling for the past coupla days that, in its own english, "By the way, our admin monitors said that no unplanned reboots were not."
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: log in and see for yourself.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i do not know why the man lied.
mircea_popescu: jus' sayin.
ascii_field: ftr i didn't expect him to say anything but precisely this
ascii_field: what, thought he would confess, 'gnomes ordered me to pull the cord' ?
ascii_field: oh and is the man in wot ? 'cause i got a very special gift for him, if he is..
mircea_popescu is too lazy to log etc, but... did he also helpfully edit the history ?
ascii_field: not as of this morning
ascii_field: and afaik only we have the legit login to the box
ascii_field: so it would have had to be via backdoor installed when disk was removed, during power off
ascii_field: but no, logs are consistent with yanked mains.
ascii_field: each and every time since the first one at end of may
mircea_popescu: maybe they got bombed.
mircea_popescu is at heart a romatic
ascii_field: aha that was my first thought
ascii_field: but bombed every day, and the frag never hits diametric's box, only mine.
BingoBoingo: Played with qntra CSS a bit, still probably the most modern and compliant wordpress blawg on the interwebz
assbot: Showing results for - Nu Html Checker ... ( )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo when you're done with that i got a bit of malbolge needs reversing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Now that monero is off the table, may have time for that. Just trying to shave a few unecessary bytes here and there out of the Qntra
mircea_popescu: in other news, from #eulora : <VariaVarietatis> What is the best way to buy and hold a little bit of btc so I can buy copper from jurov ?
mircea_popescu: S.MG, drivin' that BTC adoption to the moons!
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i will have you know that i combed ~5GB of packet dump and found not a trace of your magic tx.
ascii_field: which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) - though it is not correlated temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end
mircea_popescu: ascii_field thanks. alrighty, leave this for now until i can have something more sensible to say from this end.
ascii_field: this drew my attention to the asinine tcp socket handling in therealbitcoin
ascii_field: what the fuck is sender-side flood control for ?!!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't have it tho.
ascii_field: don't have what ?
mircea_popescu: sender side flow control. in the bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: atm the explanations are, bad tcp/ip implementation on the machine running it in a very subtle way, or some issue in the firewalls downstream
mircea_popescu: someone SOMEWHERE is sending a RST
mircea_popescu: as you can imagine, both glorious timewasters.
ascii_field: the error msg most closely corresponds to the line in therealbitcoin linked last night. but i do not know what mircea_popescu has there, and won't know unless he shares the snippet. so it gets left here.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23155 @ 0.00068275 = 15.8091 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: incidentally, sending a spurious rst is time-honoured mega-classic tool for isp diddling of 'undesirable' pipe
mircea_popescu curses the poor, informal quality of his own previous approach to the problem V solves
mircea_popescu: dude what do you want from me ;/ i had nfi what to do with things.
ascii_field: lemme guess, sitting on a disk with 100 versions of mircea_popescucoin ?
mircea_popescu: not quite, but the "what does this knob do" investigations are starting to run into human memory failures.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin is, as is, both needlessly and too fucking complex.
mircea_popescu: i have a running mmorpg that's simpler. gimme a fucking break. bitcoin is not part of the os-mmorpg-bitcoin trinity.
shinohai: Here's a guy who WAS good enough to sling dope, but now isn't:
assbot: over 18? ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "Imagine you get pulled over for speeding once and they smell the meth or weed then search your shit, your fucked."
mircea_popescu: is reddit anything more than usg employees talking to spammers ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to be.
shinohai: That whole subreddit is comedy gold.
assbot: So, what of the future ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
jurov: mircea_popescu: you don't forget you also run a boiler room
jurov: were my yest mpex problems substantiated anyhow?
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as you made some irc comments, no. i did look to see if your balance had magically vanished, which it had not.
ascii_field: << this was what i thought, too, and that is why i strapped it to a table and started cutting pieces off
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:51:18; mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin is, as is, both needlessly and too fucking complex.
jurov: isee.. still putting it slowly together
mircea_popescu: jurov lemme know in your own time, i'll be around.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: concerning the RSTs: know that it is not difficult for these to be sent via spoofed packet
ascii_field: esp in 'orc' world
ascii_field: that would be a pretty lulzy way to screw with bitcoin folks, wouldnnit
mircea_popescu: the only reasonable conclusion here, from an outside eye, is that too much complexity is the problem. throughout.
mircea_popescu: we need simpler shit.
ascii_field: this is indisputable.
mircea_popescu: i think a lot of computing continued unchecked on a paradigm of "mom, look what ~I~ can do!!11"
ascii_field was informed, by a phriend, regarding ~why~ orc world often willingly routes blatantly spoofed packetz. it is uncommon, outside of usa and eu, for network peers to specify whether they are transit peering or just peering. and thereby cannot readily distinguish spoofed vs not.
mircea_popescu: lost souls still following it to this day.
mircea_popescu: but it's fundamentally retared.
mircea_popescu: it should be "mom, look what i don't need to do. chief among which, i don't need to go "mom, look what ican do.""
ascii_field: it is retarded. but sane folks, when haunted by the danger of 'wanna standardize things, have good engineering! here comes microshit, with standardz!' chose the retardation.
mircea_popescu: the notion that good engineering = standards, by the way, is a specific bit of fucktardation not unlike "good flying machines have moving parts".
mircea_popescu: fuck you. that's not how this works.
mircea_popescu: i get it, your only experience with movement comes from observing nature.
mircea_popescu: doesn't make you less of an idiot.
mircea_popescu: but as far as software, and computer programming generally, standards are actually the proof positive engineering failed.
ascii_field: wai wat
ascii_field: engineering failed when standard, e.g., screw pitches appeared ?!
ascii_field: it is when it ~began~
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ever read a math "technical manual" ?
mircea_popescu: "this is the standards of derivation work".
ascii_field: maths folks have the luxury of inescapable truths
ascii_field: engineers have to pick screw size.
mircea_popescu: "we are the best practices body for functional analysis"
ascii_field: packet format. etc
ascii_field: incidentally there ~was~ a time when mathematical notations duked it out (newton's, if you recall, lost)
mircea_popescu: the things they have to pick in nature ARE AN IMPOSITION OF NATURE. the reason you need to pick screw sizes is because "your screw" shares its physical attributes with a different item of the same shape in the same place.
ascii_field: or, more recently, quaternions lost to matrices
mircea_popescu: this is not a matter of notation.
ascii_field: << my attempt at enumerating 'what standards'
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mircea_popescu: there is clearly a problem here. ideal objects (such as software) are not comensurate with physical objects. this attempt to "engineer programs like screws" was a reasonable first hack at the novel an dunexpected problem,
ascii_field: (note that i would not write this piece today, in the same way; not sure if type 5 exists in real life at all)
mircea_popescu: but imo it's quickly running out of steam
ascii_field: i kinda ran with the idea, here
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mircea_popescu: yes, it's true that irl if i misplace the screw and then sit on it it'll puncture my ass.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> it is when it ~began~ << yes, and engineering in "making real objects" sense is exactly that. but from this it does not follow that the same everywhere!
ascii_field: they are 'like screws' in the sense that two programs can only communicate if some provision for this was foreseen
mircea_popescu: it still doesn't follow that you should treat them like a nut and a bolt.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if anything, there is ~less~ slack than with any physical screw
ascii_field: precisely ~because~ program is an ideal object, it is so unforgiving.
mircea_popescu: so i'll condense this yet vague and uncoallesced and thus impractical notion in my head by saying : that a body of standards is where engineering starts with physical objects ; and the proof engineering failed with ideal objects.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i think that's an undefined result of an out of domain operation you're choosing to interpret a certain way.
ascii_field: i wrote more or less this, long ago, in a different formulation :
mircea_popescu: like, ask engineer "what's the result of dividing apple by orange ?" "zero" sort of thing
ascii_field: 'if there appears to be more than one way to solve programmatic problem, your priors are crap'
mircea_popescu: myeah, they are off the same core.
ascii_field: just like there is not, rightfully, more than one correct way to subtract 1 from an integer of a known size.
mircea_popescu: exactly this is at issue. what "competing language spaces" for crying out loud. explain to me the "competition" to be had between waveform and heisenberg notation already.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: tbh the standard is : if you want to make a "new language" and you don't have written code that transforms WITHOUT ERROR all other programs in all other languages to yours, you do not have a lnaguage.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field `
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the above is kinda why i laugh at all the non-sexpr languages.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field see basically, standard AS A THING even exist because
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mircea_popescu: there was the need to interpose an ideal layer between actual items and human industry.
mircea_popescu: which then had to interface with reality, and the whole subject of "ecology" is essentially trying to deal with one particular suite of bugs in this interfacing. which, incidentally, we know on good authority will NEVER be perfect.
mircea_popescu: but then to go on the strength of this and interpose "an ideal layer" between ideal objects an human industry is simply runaway complexity. because zero one infinity, once you got two you got an infinity and in practice everyone seems to end up trying to juggle an ever-approaching infinity number of balls.
mircea_popescu: the obviousness of all this is inescapable if one actually has at the same time the intellectual werewithal to regard the matter and the emotional disinterest of not giving a shit about the whole lot of it.
mircea_popescu: this stupidraven has come back to roost, where brainfried derps without a working interposed ideal layer are claiming the ideal object they fail to interfacr with is "really a real object nao".
mircea_popescu: which, lord have mercy.
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pete_dushenski: << i'm not, as it happens, though this is definitely the exception, at least at the 'reform' level (most secular) and in this part of the world. credit goes to my completely secular father for wanting to give me an alibi. y'know. just in case.
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mircea_popescu: ahaha crazy.
pete_dushenski: a cord, which, yes, i would pull if needed. there are better causes to die for. better causes to be a martyr for.
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude. by the time being romanian's a crime in itself i have very little interest left in doing anything but killing people indiscriminately.
mircea_popescu: what better cause ?
pete_dushenski: there's that too
pete_dushenski: which makes one wonder why ~more~ americans aren't killing people indiscriminately.
mats: lol, dong inspection as proof of jewry
mircea_popescu: plenty are huh.
mircea_popescu: mats you are perhaps too young to remember, but this is STILL DONE
mircea_popescu: to the pope.
mats: the indignity of an old cardinal inspecting your cock.
pete_dushenski: dignity ! (tm)
mircea_popescu: by the time yoiu're that old, more women held your cock to pee than to suck it anyway
mircea_popescu: i would guess pope's used to it.
mircea_popescu: brought to you by the "she's a whore anyway, what rape" department of legal thinking.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: 'right to farm' recalls 'right to repair' (cars)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Last election cycle it joined the Missouri state consitution's bill of rights
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how exactly can judge go "wait it doesn't include x" ?
pete_dushenski: to which vw/audi famously responded "ok fuck you amerikans zen, ve vill not pahblish ze manuels for AYNEEBODY"
mircea_popescu: who specifically asked him.
pete_dushenski: not even their own dealers
pete_dushenski: so dealers would look at obd-ii codes and have nfi what they meant
pete_dushenski: only learning through trial and error
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because words don't mean anything in 'Murica
mircea_popescu: "missouri constitution includes right to farm - this right doesn't include any actual activities ftr"
mircea_popescu: << whole tradition there, starting with those dudes that cut off their sexual organs altogether.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 13:50:03; asciilifeform: << cock-chopping was forbidden in su.
shinohai: So people in Missouri are basically just serfs.
BingoBoingo: Well, in all of USia
shinohai: Well, in a *broad* sense yes.
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pete_dushenski: ^javert v. valjean
pete_dushenski: no one better than colm wilkinson as valjean
pete_dushenski: wilkinson is a total rockstar
pete_dushenski swoons, ever so slightly, ever so noticeably
mircea_popescu: dude check it out, next year's crop of "evasion technisuke crrrrreativity" will be rot13
mircea_popescu: this s/fon/phone/ substitit is so last century
pete_dushenski: lol we'll be installing r0t0linux soon
BingoBoingo: and USeA4tR Fr33BDSM
shinohai: Another fine example of DNM lulz: The throwaway account TOTALLY makes me invisible.
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assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 14:15:06; asciilifeform: ^ lulzy. arsonist sets fire, buys up assets at fire sale, then complains when folks whack him over the head to take back the stolen goods
pete_dushenski: also, alf should send usgavin invoice for beefier bandwidth line. because 'bitcoin needs business services nao'
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell jurov any daily update for coinbr ? inquiring minds and all that
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mircea_popescu: << therein lies the answer. 10 cents an hour (and it will be an hour of a top dollar recording studio, charging 1k an hour or some shit for use) is perfectly reasonable.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 14:36:08; kakobrekla: they are supposed to be quite durable tho, 10khrs +
mircea_popescu: if the alternative costs $19 but breaks down once a day, the 1k one is cheaper.
mircea_popescu: "UPDATE! PayPal has reversed their decision!" was the best part.
mircea_popescu: "Now I happen to have a large enough domain portfolio that I have my own personal rep at Godaddy"
shinohai: !rated pete_dushenski
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mircea_popescu loses interest.
pete_dushenski: << anyone with a better eye for 'nuke' damage smell bullshit here ?
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shinohai: !rate pete_dushenski 1 Author of contravex, one of my favorite blogs.
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pete_dushenski: shinohai: you have other favourites ?! what is this, democristan where you can dabble a bit here and a bit there and figure that all's well ?!!
mircea_popescu: << this obviously being the only remaining value in that shithole : that soccer moms and aging clerks think "hey, it's in wikipedia" does something.
mircea_popescu is glad to see the downward spiral activated, will welcome a world with that excrement pile relegated to its proper corner.
shinohai: I can't just read contravex alone. I read constantly.
pete_dushenski: that's a point, i don't even have 5 years of archives in an obscure latin language for you to toil in until the end of your days
pete_dushenski: unlike...
shinohai: I have yet to find a decent bitcoin-related blog in Spanish.
mircea_popescu: i have yet to find anything intellectually stimulating in spanish. the thing's incredibly dead, last noteworthy anything happened apparently in the 1800s
pete_dushenski: shinohai: because as stupid as english-speakers are today, this hasn't always been the case. whereas spanish, as mircea_popescu points out, has always been the language of slaves.
pete_dushenski: certainly in the americas
shinohai: I had yet to read him opine on Spanish.
shinohai: But yes, that is true.
pete_dushenski: as to spain proper, well, they still have a few museums of note, but other than that it's just doner kebab stands and beaches
mircea_popescu: ftr i dun hold the "always language of slaves" thing and omg if you're going to say what i said link to sauce!
mircea_popescu: odds are you'll remember it ever-so-slighty wrong and piss me off
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: s/always/long then.
mircea_popescu: no, seriously, it's a cornerstone of a functioning internal life : always have the source material at the ready.
shinohai: When I quote mircea_popescu on twitter, I generally always link here or to trilema.
shinohai: I will paraphrase on occasion though.
shinohai: I used to have that exact tile pattern in my bathroom.
shinohai: I hated it.
ag3nt_zer0: greetings
mircea_popescu: i just liked the stockings.
ag3nt_zer0: anyone have an opinion on paul craig roberts writings?
mircea_popescu: << this sort of brain rot is pervasive of the certain empowered-nanny idiot that large state always collapses into. consider
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mircea_popescu: "He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."
mircea_popescu: or it could mean he fucvking forgot, or that he finds my body odour objectionable and wants to get out already
mircea_popescu: but i'm going with "knew wrong blablabla".
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2014 16:33:51; mircea_popescu: and spanish is like alien, can't be learned by humans, unlike lisp and scheme
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2014 04:13:32; mircea_popescu: i only talk spanish to my horse
mircea_popescu: the fundamental driver being the stupid woman in question's inferiority complex. she knows she's filth and she knows actual people wouldn't give her idiocy the time of day. which is "resolved" in her mind as "of course what everyone spends ever ymoment doing is thinking about my stupid shit. yes that's right i'm that central"
pete_dushenski: also relevant to the discussion, an exception !
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2014 20:35:41; mircea_popescu: whoa check that out, apparently you can say intelligent things in spanish!
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mircea_popescu: try telling the us tax man that "you just never gave a shit about irs stuff"
mircea_popescu: see some very butthurt faces.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski much better!
mircea_popescu: you readily see how the first one was being sarcastic, re alf's complaints right ?
mircea_popescu: the second is a tongue in cheek reference to a famous quote
mircea_popescu: charles 5th, hre, said I speak Spanish to God, Italian to Women, French to Men, and German to my Horse.
mircea_popescu: the spanish/german substitution was intended to be funny, to they familair with the classics.
pete_dushenski: totally, but within that must lie a grain of truth, or it wouldn't be funny !
mircea_popescu: (this , incidentally, is a large reason why classic texts are so commonly misunderstood by the layman - such as for instance shakespeare by tolstoy. there exists this device where a is replaced by b with the expectation on the part of the writer that the reader notices the substitution and holds it meaningful
shinohai: Now I am forlorn pete_dushenski because on more thought my housecleaner speaks Spanish. xD
mircea_popescu: a degradation of that expectation under the blessings of mass educationm is visible for instance in the very vulgar but sadly necessary habit of peppering ^H^H^H^H in the logs.
asciilifeform: << from the very scant material, it appears to not differ meaningfully from ibm360
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it went into production in 1970
ag3nt_zer0: I do wonder if this type of scene has its foreign parallels or if it is largely a US phenomena:
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mircea_popescu: that discussion you quoted was 69 iirc ?
mircea_popescu: so it was already underway at that time.
mircea_popescu: im not making any claims as to value or quality, mind.
asciilifeform: but yes, from what i can tell, it was not a straight clone
mircea_popescu: it was actually in part based on stolen us ip throughout the mid 60s, and in part on actually refined tube techs
mircea_popescu: (wasn't fully integrated)
mircea_popescu: but the romanians didn't much like the soviets. (if you recall, nixon visited in 69 etc)
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: it is sop, and i know a fella personally who went into and then, a few years later, quit teaching school, for reasons not entirely unlike what was described in your link.
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mircea_popescu: dawg im not reading that idiot yale grad's bland prose.
mircea_popescu: whats the executive summary, girl wanted to fuck him, he said no, girls brother killed him ?
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 23:11:23; pete_dushenski: << anyone with a better eye for 'nuke' damage smell bullshit here ?
asciilifeform: !s crankbait
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asciilifeform: !s crank bait
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ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: ok thx... I was speaking generally to the atmosphere of the degenerate adult-fail of the contemporary populace in failing to take on their roles as mentors and superiors of the children, combined with these wretched inner-city armed guard metal detector ghetto schools...
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2014 23:20:00; asciilifeform: crank bait is normally factual material that blows 'official truth' out of the water, placed deliberately in the public domain.
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: interfering with the men-to-monkey converter 'would be r4c1s7!!!!'
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asciilifeform: usg needs steady supply of rabid monkeys for 101 different purposes.
ag3nt_zer0: just hard to imagine it being so bad sinc eus is lawsuit culture and leadingthis equality/entitlement movement
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dawg im not reading that idiot yale grad's bland prose. << It's from their forum. User asks why upgrade left them with a bunch of .js and Derpomatic says if you don't like it install a plugin
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: monkeys are 'entitled' to your flesh and twelve generations'. this is in the konstitooshin or similar.
asciilifeform: somewhere.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no i meant ag3nt_zer0 s crop. i don't read the other fucktard but i know what he'sa saying anywa
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ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: hahah ok understandable
asciilifeform: from what i recall of the film, the wives were not appealing (imho)
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mircea_popescu: you could run the entire "vc software industry" off of half a brain
asciilifeform: of a mouse
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, if i were to say "the appearance of best business practices is proof positive business as a going concern is dead" you'd see what i mean
mircea_popescu: yet with engineering this is not so.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does anyone need "best business practices" ? and what do they need them FOR ?
mircea_popescu: "we want to break the law safely"
mircea_popescu: "how about you don't"
asciilifeform: the phrase is a nonsensical americanism, aha
mircea_popescu: "can't, it's too stupid"
mircea_popescu: "throw it out"
mircea_popescu: /glazeover
asciilifeform: but there are such things as double-entry bookkeeping, etc. which are reasonably traditional
mircea_popescu: and pointedly NOT that.
mircea_popescu: let me put this question in its proper framing, harking back to the scholastic disputes of a millenium ago.
mircea_popescu: who made the standard ? how did they know what to put into it ?
mircea_popescu: if you also know, the same way, why do you want it ? if you do not, why do you aim to be involved in this ?
mircea_popescu: are you son of god or son of man ?
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> if you also know, the same way, why do you want it ? if you do not, why do you aim to be involved in this ? << that's the magic moment where engineer typically understands (or worse, does not) that the standard is a hierarchical imposition, rather than an act of education like teaching a child to add and substract
mircea_popescu: reality may surprise and remain valid. thoughts may not. surprising thoughts are ipso facto invalid. which is why the destruction of engineering as an intellectual activity is covered in "creativity"
mircea_popescu: therre is no such thing as "creativity" in tech, and there's certainly no place for "women in tech" understood as monkeys.
asciilifeform: thought can legitimately surprise when sense replaces nonsense, rather than vice-versa
mircea_popescu: and i don't care how "raceis", "rapey" or whatever else the understanding of women as people is.
asciilifeform: (iirc 'v' even, surprised a few people)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unsurpisingly.
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mircea_popescu: how did you pick the 7 i wanna know lol
asciilifeform: by pressing button.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has one too...
mircea_popescu has no idea where this convo starts
mircea_popescu: 17, 299, however many lines ag
asciilifeform: re: the scholastic dispute of old times, i am reminded of 'the gate is closed' edict of islam
asciilifeform: which is blamed for the decline of arab culture in 16th c
mircea_popescu: i am unconvinced by any explanation of decline that reads different from "success brought abundance which made people complacent. the end."
asciilifeform: 'gate of ijtihad'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is rather like writing 'stopped breathing' on death certificate. yes, accurate...
mircea_popescu: ijtihad is merely the arabic for "buck stops"
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asciilifeform: not having command of the language, i also lack a good source for this thing.
mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked anyone their fucking opinion omfg
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mircea_popescu: yet somehow qualified for life ?
mircea_popescu: how? who actually believes this ?
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mircea_popescu: >> i'm not even convinced he even for a second proposes that as factual. reads to me like alf's writing a novel in his spare time is all.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 20:52:46; mats: waco victims were hardly defenseless. i follow what you're saying, particularly re: historical context, but i'm not convinced this is practicable in usa
mircea_popescu: shinohai try mod6 for camping, who knows.
shinohai takes mod6 camping, gets neg trust rating.
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mircea_popescu: lol communist
mircea_popescu: the us are the communists.
mircea_popescu: "the dictatorship ruling mainland China"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wouldn't they like to "bring democracy" to china too
mircea_popescu: anyway, they're barely selling 5%
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy.
mircea_popescu has redominated all his real estate leases throughout the world into usd during the past ~year, so this should be fun indeed.
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mircea_popescu: (my own interpretation of reality being that china has decided there is no need of a us in the future, which would be implemented through a slow divestment so as to extract the maximal value possible out of their holdings. now that they've actually moved on it, they're not going to change course. which means 2010s are the last decade for the us.)
mats: we shall see
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mats: i rather like living in the US northeast and would like to put off my migration into cn for as long as possible
mats: mebbe i could move back to san jose and hope it survives as meta-cn
mod6: shinohai takes mod6 camping, gets neg trust rating. << haha, wat?
mod6: i only like camping in the desert or in the west in general. "back east" sucks, too humid.
mod6: mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that << ikr! i heard some lawyer say to another lawyer on the train, "mind your man spread bro".
mircea_popescu: to be noted, of course, that this "if you're poor enough to need to use our mnass transit, here is how you must sit" nonsense follows twenty-thirty years of "oh using cars is bad for the environment, when mass transit is just as good"
mircea_popescu: all the schmucks that BOUGHT INTO that now get this.
mircea_popescu: and that's exactly how govt ploys work, ever since forever. in all cases.
mod6: yah, it's insane.
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mircea_popescu: be it anything and everything.
mircea_popescu: 1st it's all about "why will you use something you control instead of something we control ? it's cheaper! environment! racism!"
mircea_popescu: then it's "since you need us, here's what you must do".
mircea_popescu: well how about fuck that. no "bigger blocks", no mass transit, no government anything.
mircea_popescu: and if in facvt it is cheaper, that's only proof the government is taking in too much tax.
mircea_popescu: "here's your flier advertising cheaper mass transit in lieu of taxes this year. fuck off."
mircea_popescu: somehow nobody ever thought to ask the self-proclaimed "bitcoin businesses" that nevertheless have 0 bitcoin income signing whatever ridicuolous proclamation HOW DO TYHEY INTEND TO PAY FOR IT.
mod6: the fact that the one guy didn't outright say to the other "fuck you." is totally limpdick pansy-ass bullshit.
mircea_popescu: how is coinbase going to pay for big blocks. more tax money ? more fees ? what ?
trinque: mod6: stop mansplaining your manspreading, bro
shinohai: Simple, GAvin says merchants will mine to help pay tx fees.
mircea_popescu: shinohai wioth money from whom ?
shinohai: *bigger blocks
shinohai: That's what *I* would like to know.
mircea_popescu: mod6 fuck you maybe not the proper form, but "i want those season tickets back and after you've dropped them off do not say hi to me anymore."
mod6: if some vagina on the train told me to "watch my man spreding, i'd be like. ``fuck off, dickhead''" it's the only reasonable response you hvae left any more.
mircea_popescu: mod6 amusingly enough, the itnernal logic of all this is that sitting lkike a man IS A BEHAVIOUR, see. up to you. whereas being fat like a woman is NOT to the same degree a behaviour.
mircea_popescu: which is to say, yes she's fat because she won't stop eating junk
mircea_popescu: but no she's not fat RIGHT NOW because of that.
mircea_popescu: as orwell pointed out, stupid regulations always favour cockroaches.
mircea_popescu: so instead of steel bars limiting access to subway to only people that can fit through
mircea_popescu: because that's how far apart the seats are,
mircea_popescu: you get this sort of nonsense.
mod6: i think that's next, bars between seats.
mircea_popescu: maybe cages
mircea_popescu: fedex all the people!
mod6: they have these bus benches with them now. partly so you can't encroach on someone else, and partly to keep bums from sleeping on them.
mircea_popescu: it works for cats, right ? so there is even science behind it!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> fedex all the people! << haha
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mod6: speaking of fat people. when I was at the statefair on monday, there was some time-dialation from the sheer increase to like 29 Solar Masses.
mod6: it was crazy
mod6: im actually like 293 years old now, i just look like im 35.
trinque: mod6: don't get that close to Gargantua
mod6: ^
mod6 laughs
mircea_popescu: "us democracy has provedly brought the absolute worst solutions to all conceivable problems for the past 50 years. why would anyone not want it in their country!"
mircea_popescu: because srsly... anyone recall my argument re drugs legalisation ?
mod6: democracy for everyone! we will send you the diebold machines!
mircea_popescu: you have bad food legalisation atm. who isn't fat ?
mircea_popescu: rich people.
mircea_popescu: q fucking ed.
mircea_popescu: if drugs were legal, the only ones left standing would be idem.
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mod6: yeah. true.
mircea_popescu: mod6 not like the fatsos couldn't buy cheap shit and cook at home.
mircea_popescu: but thye don't.
mircea_popescu: and it's EXACTLY like, junkies COULD do something else with their time
mircea_popescu: but they won't.
mod6: it boggles the mind. i always look at other peoples carts at the grocery store.
mircea_popescu: and now salary is, for 50% of the population, based on the mcdonalds mchappyshit
mircea_popescu: and then, salary will be, for 50% of the population, based on the going sprice.
mod6: the heaviest people always have 57 bags of pizza rolls, 28 hotpockets, 13 bags of cheesy poofs and 10 2 litre bottles of diet coke.
mircea_popescu is stuffed with TWO!!! homemade round breads + argentine milanesa (schnitzel really). fucking delicious.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile everywhere kfc is going crazy advertising a ... 5 meat patty thing
mod6: lol.
mircea_popescu: it looks like painted sponge, that meat.
asciilifeform: << the fuckers tried, in '89. went home with tail between legs, tank tread marks
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mircea_popescu: i dunno, who the fuck can eat them. it literally looks like 10x my daily meat intake, and im a consummate carnivore.
asciilifeform: alba-neagra << l0l!!
mircea_popescu: three card monte
mircea_popescu: about 50% of romania's foreign investment in the early 90s came from young colorful men plying that trade abroad.
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mats: guilty-plea-after-package-tracking-breaks-opsec << what an idiot crime. you gonna set up a stooge at the drop and hope he can outrun the black van?
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> so instead of steel bars limiting access to subway to only people that can fit through << EXACTLY like that thing they have at airports, for briefcases 1!!1
mod6: mircea_popescu: one thing about food in b-a, it's amazing how good /real/ food tastes! lol.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah. hard to beat.
mircea_popescu: tho they have nfi about dairy.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> and it's EXACTLY like, junkies COULD do something else with their time << what, exactly? theorems ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform burpees.
asciilifeform: !s no theorems to prove
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember my mouse ?
mircea_popescu: it also had no theorems to prove.
mircea_popescu: except, perhaps, one. hardly any theo and a lot of rem in it.
asciilifeform: for mouse they also have the pleasure electrode.
trinque: were there no welfare bad food and drugs would be fine filters
asciilifeform: works great.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> tho they have nfi about dairy. << that one italian place had some decent cheese iirc... but perhaps it was imported.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu just happened upon an unpatched mouse, that's all..
mircea_popescu: all cheese imported,a nd i have very specific cream and kefir/yogurt requirements.
mod6: ah
trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby
mircea_popescu wants transylvanian sour cream god fucking damn it all.
asciilifeform: 'good farm' in usa is like good farm in pripyat'
asciilifeform: relative thing.
trinque: bullshit.
trinque: entirely; you just live in the worst part of the US
mircea_popescu: by choice even!
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform how come you live in shitington, dc ?
trinque: I've milked the fuckers myself and this tasted just like that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: originally - family
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: today - meatwot
mircea_popescu: and unoriginally ?
trinque: had the nice muted sweetness to it, quite alive
mircea_popescu: wait trinque can milk ?!
trinque: sure, parents have 130 cows or so
mod6: im simply amazed that you can sit on that beltway everyday. that stuff was bananaballs.
asciilifeform: mod6: i either do it or starve.
trinque: I don't do it often, but I know my way around an udder, lol
mircea_popescu: for a while years ago i amused myself by organising reality tours for various people from afar. sort-of like a conference i guess.
mod6: asciilifeform: understandable.
mircea_popescu: once we went to a farm, and cow was being milked by girl
trinque: asciilifeform: you could find some bullshit startup to.. milk
mircea_popescu: and i was like "go ahead, milk it!"
trinque: and make loads of bezzlars
mircea_popescu: obviously this can't be done
asciilifeform: trinque: that's sorta where i work, minus the 'loads' part
mircea_popescu: !up anono
trinque: asciilifeform: I bet Galois in town would hire ya
asciilifeform: trinque: i think i told the story before. i have no desire at all to be 'in job market'
asciilifeform: or to work on 'in-demand things'
asciilifeform: or to compete with 19 y.o. in any way.
trinque: sure, they'd make you write haskell all day or something
asciilifeform: for other people's ideas, aha.
mircea_popescu: no country for old alfs.
mircea_popescu: or in the words of maggie the cat, "you can be young without money. but you can't be old without it"
asciilifeform: trinque: presently i am paid to work on one of the least interesting ideas i ever had. and this beats working with the most interesting idea other people ever had, in my demented head.
trinque: I can sorta see it; at least one might come home with some cycles left to spend on something interesting
asciilifeform: trinque: at any rate, i regard the idea of being hired to do something specific, worse, involving other people's code, to resemble jail
asciilifeform: minus all the good parts
mod6: worse even
asciilifeform: but i think i already told this story, long ago.
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asciilifeform: << gluttony (like dope) is the singularly most pleasurable thing these folks have going. hence the result.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:14; mircea_popescu: mod6 not like the fatsos couldn't buy cheap shit and cook at home.
mats: the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive
mats: and the 'cheap shit' roughly approximates to rice and beans or a mcchicken
asciilifeform: mats: if you want non-hormonal meat, non-poisoned veggies, etc. they ~do~ cost 2-7x. plus then you need the time/inclination/space to cook'em.
asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones
asciilifeform: e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop
asciilifeform: only 'we swear these chickens ate neither, and you will believe' shop.
asciilifeform: there are ~precisely two~ buttons on the panel, 'mcfood' and 'hippie'
asciilifeform: (with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own')
asciilifeform: mats: here i am discussing foods that one buys and then at least heats. not even touching upon the mcdrivethrough sort, which ~is~ an optional thing
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:47; mircea_popescu: and now salary is, for 50% of the population, based on the mcdonalds mchappyshit
asciilifeform: mcturd costs a dollar or two.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own') << Not so bad, cheap monetarily and in terms of time for the veggies, get expensive quickly for the proteins
asciilifeform: about ten minutes' wage of an illegal mexican.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa folks are gouged for rent, not for food.
asciilifeform: it is very uncommon to even think about what food costs here.
asciilifeform: the way it works is that everyone eats the things they were raised to see as ordinary, and at each particular class, those appear cheap.
asciilifeform: whereas it is not uncommon to pay 50-80% of income for the roof over head.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:07:48; *: mircea_popescu is stuffed with TWO!!! homemade round breads + argentine milanesa (schnitzel really). fucking delicious.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:59:53; mod6: i think that's next, bars between seats.
asciilifeform: << the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:53:24; mircea_popescu: well how about fuck that. no "bigger blocks", no mass transit, no government anything.
asciilifeform: (at that point, why drive'em in ? so they can sit on endless parking lot going to the horizon ?)
mats: mcdrivethru is a solid deal if you're looking to just exist, yakno
mats: a buck and some change gets you ~350cals, 14g protein
asciilifeform: so long as you don't need to exist for more than a decade or three
asciilifeform: mats: mcfood is not even the end of this line. theodore dalrymple tells us that the standard 'chavv class' brit's dinner is a bag of chips.
asciilifeform: eaten a couplea times a day
asciilifeform: (or 'crisps' as they are called there)
asciilifeform: even cheaper than the american burger
asciilifeform: needs no cook, no heat.
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asciilifeform: can be eaten while shitting, literally
asciilifeform: or walking, or whatever.
asciilifeform: they, apparently, do not have (or are moving in the direction) such a thing as 'family sits down for dinner'
asciilifeform: everyone just eats from bag, like a horse, whenever.
funkenstein_: compare price to bag of potatoes, or oats, to see real value
asciilifeform: potatoes have to be prepared !!
mats: 21:49:57 <+asciilifeform> ... the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car. << you ever been to LA?
asciilifeform: that means time away from the screen
funkenstein_: megalogs.. applause on thread: re standards become the sorcerers explanation
asciilifeform: mats: no, but even in la.
asciilifeform: mats: it is interesting to walk through 'financial' parts of d.c., or nyc, and notice that the offices full of folks too high and mighty to sit on a train, are largely multiple floor after floor of underground and above-ground tower parking, by sheer volume.
asciilifeform: in nyc they even have little cranes (yes) which stuff cars into shelves, robotically
asciilifeform: realize also that a car takes up, integrated over a typical day, vastly more volume than the wheeled coffin per se occupies
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, the joke is on them of course. the train is infinitely more comfortable
asciilifeform: because it is (part of the time) in motion.
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: comfortable when empty but for you.
asciilifeform: then - best train.
funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book
funkenstein_: *subway
asciilifeform: funkenstein_ must then have peculiar notion of 'comfortable'
mats: sop in every mega-city: hk and sg island, tokyo, monaco, london, etc...
funkenstein_: hint: being able to close eyes is a start
trinque: I loathe public transportation.
trinque: here it's more than likely you'll share it with some bum covered in his own shit and piss
mats: 21:57:42 — +funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book << reminds me when i'd catch a nap in the cattle car during movements between barracks and training site, fully burdened by gear and supported on all sides by other dudes
trinque: really doesn't matter where in the car he is; you smell him
asciilifeform: trinque: where i live this is true of bus; but not usually train
trinque: they don't enforce tickets very well
trinque: probably as some tacit matter of policy
funkenstein_: well you could always carry a two ton steel wheelchair with you and wait in line behind idiots
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asciilifeform: funkenstein_: most folks i know who have the option of going on the train, do
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i did, when i did
trinque: parking's probably hell around there
asciilifeform: trinque: where ?
trinque: nearabouts DC
asciilifeform: trinque: depends very much where
funkenstein_: mats, looks like morale is high :)
asciilifeform: trinque: the office park where i work is ~80% vacant and you could land a boeing on the parking
asciilifeform: going on 90%
trinque: ah not bad
mats: MPs got it easy in 'AIT' (job training)
mircea_popescu: <mats> the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive <<< healthy food is expensive if you imagine yourself me but for the grace of god, and then attempt to remedy this lack of grace by papering over with money. yes you'll have to pay a lot for someone who doesn't want to, to cook at home for you.
asciilifeform has who to cook for him, and isn't even a mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.
asciilifeform: speaking of, brb!
mircea_popescu: maybe for natural causes, but aided and abetted nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mcturd costs a dollar or two. << look at how "inflation" is calculated sometime.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> f everyone were to come by car. << the city as we know it is before that a creation of the "not everyone's invited" principle.
mircea_popescu: the entire point of having a city and cars is the endless line of half-naked farm teenagers begging for a ride, stretching out to the horizon.
mircea_popescu: take that away, having towns is a waste of everyone's time.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> everyone just eats from bag, like a horse, whenever. << good enough for the pakistani's rapemeat warehouse.
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> funkenstein_: comfortable when empty but for you. << ro anecdote. many years ago /me went to pick up new slavegirl, decided on train for return trip. rented out whole compartment. upon entering ordered girl to strip and masturbate. cue VERY amazed train conductor guy checking tickets, level with and two feet away from rubbed clit.
mircea_popescu: <mats> << oh the memories << why do the women sound drunk ?
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mircea_popescu: i won't ask about "stupid"
mats: i dunno.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in daily argentinian lols : their government is deeply inept (so much so that id cards actually have chips with medical history and whatnot). takes me about ten minutes to have complete history on anyone on the basis of their identity number.
mircea_popescu: like, what their mother's name was and employment history and whatnot
mircea_popescu: it is the one saving grace because otherwise twerpy as they are they'd be entirely unsuable.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's a fine exercise in the importance of "national identity" schemes. they exist so that the actual people can make some sort of sense of the cattle.
mircea_popescu: which, otherwise, moos, yes, but not meaningfully.
mod6: everyone has these id cards?
mod6: or just gov?
mircea_popescu: everyone.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i understand that the view in the us is that such schemes take away individual agency.
mircea_popescu: the problem is - they do not. they merely are made unavoidable by the already lost individual agency. which people lose because it's too heavy t ocarry, like the late roman army shield and helmet.
mircea_popescu: so... of necessity.
mircea_popescu: but saying "the government wants nat'l ids to oppress people" is like saying "maggots want blood separation to kill the corpse".
mircea_popescu: by the time blood solids separate out of plasm the body's long dead.
mircea_popescu: (the silent H in all this being : no, an argentine can't pretend to me to be X or Y or Z. because i have a schematic understanding of what he MAY be, and that is the absolute and enforced limit of his destiny.)
mircea_popescu: and the exact same thing is coming to an us near you. because if you let the twerps "be what they want to be", they'll want to be "creative evangelists at large" and similar randy zuckerbergianisms. which aren't things.
mod6: oh yeah, they tried to pass all that through a while back.
mircea_popescu: it's going to happen, of necessity.
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mircea_popescu: once people lose the ability to confront кто ты по жизни (and notice i did not say "answer"), a numeric classification system is unavoidable.
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mod6: are you still trying to find MSM articles on that? i dug one up from bbc earlier...
trinque: yeah, but all they're doing is acknowledging the rumors from elsewhere
mod6: dow was up 293 points today. im sure they use the circut breakers just as much when price movements are to the upside.
mod6: not.
mod6: what a scam
trinque: never have I felt like so many things were on the verge of... well, god knows what... all at once.
trinque: though I have not lived very long
pete_dushenski: trinque: 'may you live in interesting times'
pete_dushenski: trinque: also, what are you, 25 ? 30 ?
trinque: these are interesting but... slow!
trinque: everything crawls, maybe due to the attention span of the modern media consumer
pete_dushenski: and while it may feel like everything on the verge, things can feel that way for decades
pete_dushenski: while some governments or currencies or infrastructure items may fail, it'll be a series of events, not all at once
pete_dushenski: well, it ~is~ a series of events, and we're witnessing it
trinque: mhm, as mircea_popescu noted re: chinese selling of us bonds
pete_dushenski: what it would be like to live in an age when ~everything~ seems to be improving, may we one day find out, but that will be a long day from today
trinque: hell I'd just like to watch it rip loose
mircea_popescu: !up dgenr8
pete_dushenski: probably what 1950's usa felt like, on the improvement score
pete_dushenski: trinque: you dionysian you
mats: sociopath.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: read '50s e.g., 'popular mechanics' sometime
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: surreal experience
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski /me lived like that for a coupla decades, actually. ro of the 90s was a fab thing.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i read pop sci, pop mech, growing up. they fascinated me even in the early 90s. will have to check on 50s back copies
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i bet!
trinque: mats: aw, isn't sociopathic to pull the plug on grandpa when cancer's eating him all through
mircea_popescu: in mid july 1989 govt was pretending like romanians did useful work. by 1992 govt was out and out saying that the ~65 dollars a month you earn is barely justified by your work value.
mircea_popescu: once that was on the table, the country shot up.
asciilifeform: << actually this is the one place where the clean hand of marketronics seems to me most apparent. reasonable sane people are not numerous enough here to be a market segment even to sell a paper clip.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.
asciilifeform: instead, we have idiot poor and imbecile rich
asciilifeform: these form the 'mcfood' and 'hippie' segments respectively.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only redistyributive taxation can create this situation where they who should be rich think they're somehow poor, and the poor wear alternatively idiot and imbecile clothes.
asciilifeform: however created, this is how it works.
mircea_popescu: that article i did about "cheers", the sitcom is very illustrative. twerp in question imagines "class" as in, that ancient matter of a person's quality in society, is a matter of anointed. she thinks some vagabond is "high class" because she went to some school.
trinque: my favorite alt-food crackpottery is the gluten free thing
pete_dushenski just had a moment imagining taxation that wasn't ~distributive~ but actually for summun bonum
trinque: you check the nutrition label and it has nothing in it
asciilifeform: i've never seen anything else in my entire adult life. all of the other variants of human organization may as well be ancient rome, for all the personal experience i have of them.
trinque: granted a small percentage of people actually need it (celiacs, etc)
trinque: but it's more "filler" than mcd's
asciilifeform: trinque: were were these 'needers' in 1800 ?
mircea_popescu: trinque i'll give you an extra lol. recently the source of the "salt is bad mkay", ie the ustardemia, came out with an admission of the fraudulent nature of that entire swathe of "research". this however has not yet reached the latino "scientists" who mostly exist through translating things and pretending.
trinque: I dunno, but I do know someone who shits blood when she eats bread
mircea_popescu: so right now if you're a spanish speaker salt is white death still.
asciilifeform: trinque: since birth ?
trinque: yeah
trinque: mircea_popescu: translating lol. I knew an Argentine chick; she did exactly this, and was supposed to be intellectual because of it
mircea_popescu: and high class of course.
mircea_popescu: (/me has known enough of the sort by noiw, to the degree he mostly points at their face and laughs)
trinque: oh indeed, and loved american "rock and roll" from the 80s
trinque: asciilifeform: shits blood and barfs with any wheat product
asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu - what's it mean, 'think they're somehow poor'
trinque: I half-suspect it's an autoimmune thing caused by not wheat, but something they had in the production thereof
mircea_popescu: what you do, asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: wtf, i'm actually poor
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i developed gluten intolerance (not dissimilar to lactose intolerance as an experience) as an adult. why ? monsanto ? youthful rebellion against grain-growing ancestors ? who knows
asciilifeform: having to, e.g., work for a living, actually compute costs of things, etc
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this, as i understand, is typical. you can give yourself an intolerance for just about anything, by avoiding it
asciilifeform: serious multi-decade vegetarians will have problems digesting meat (at least for a while)
trinque: folks with celiacs will actually scar the lining of their intestines eating gluten
mircea_popescu: the difference between the black slave of 1815 and the black freeman of 2015 is that the former actually thinks that, to paraphrase, ", you don't get to fuck the white mistress."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: oddly, my metabolism has worked in the reverse of that theory. ate it regularly, eventually 'had problems', now, few years on, can handle small amounts
asciilifeform: trinque: again, where were they in 1800 ?
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't know the mechanism, but I've seen the bloody shits.
pete_dushenski: trinque: on instagram ?
trinque: my fetishes are my business
trinque: in person!
mircea_popescu: you know, something not being known in 1800 is not automatic proof the something doesn't exist.
asciilifeform: trinque: tell you what, we didn't have it in su either
asciilifeform: trinque: nor autism
trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point
trinque: perhaps the immune system gets irritated, marks the gluten instead of whatever else
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but autism is an actual thing, or you disagree with the very notion ?
trinque: or it and the other thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is a thing, i saw it alive.
pete_dushenski: trinque: good chance it's correlation, yes
mircea_popescu: trinque did person ever had homebaked bread ?
pete_dushenski: << ftr. this is an abysmal a definition of 'poverty' as whatever gov metric, '>50% spent on room and board' or whatever
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:49:46; asciilifeform: having to, e.g., work for a living, actually compute costs of things, etc
trinque: mircea_popescu: not to my knowledge. it'd be a good experiment
mircea_popescu: if they're up to experimentation.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: very nearly 50
trinque: she did also have an issue with lactose, had less trouble with that unpasteurized milk from the nearby farm
trinque: all these diseases smack of "ate not-food most of my life"
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: but moreover, 'poor' is a matter of emotion strictly. a brick cannot be poor.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: then you're only borderline ! gov says !
mod6: i agree with ascii; if you have to look at the price tags, you're not rich.
asciilifeform: because brick has 100% of what he wants.
asciilifeform: mod6: i will add, if you use an alarm clock, and don't have the option of stopping, you're not rich;
pete_dushenski: mod6: such nonsense
trinque: I dunno; prices are good information
trinque: why would someone who knew enough about money to keep it ignore those
asciilifeform: did not say 'ignore'
asciilifeform: again, like the clock
asciilifeform: rich has ~the option~ of ignoring.
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mod6: not that they're not good info, or good signals in a market place. but if you go shopping and have to think about weather you can afford to buy something, you're not rich.
trinque: yeah granted
asciilifeform: he can set alarm clock, as mircea_popescu suggested, to watch a meteor shower.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> rich has ~the option~ of ignoring. << yah, & alarm clock, job, et al.
asciilifeform: but it is an ~option~
pete_dushenski: mod6: as if rich people don't weigh out costs and benefits ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you two are conflating at least three things. there is 1. "not having any ability to direct the course of public affairs, as encoded in "money" in this society" ; 2. "not having 1 and perceiving one should have it" ; 3. perceiving one should not have it.
mircea_popescu: i agree you're poor as per 3. you like to claim it's as per 1.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't give a tinker's damn per public affairs.. only sleep-ad-libitum.
asciilifeform: these are 'packaged together', yes
mircea_popescu: your ass is public property in this view.
pete_dushenski: maybe i buy off-brand mac and cheese instead of 'kraft dinner', save $0.50, invest, be moar rich !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. 'money with which to buy back own arse' is, approximately, what 'rich' means in my mind.
mircea_popescu: much like genitalia belong, indivise, to "the other gender" as a group
mircea_popescu: yes but the problem with that worldview is that it makes absolutely no sense.
mircea_popescu: you can not "buy back own arse", at any price, for as long as you think in those terms or anything like them, your ass is public property.
mircea_popescu: and this is purely a subjective problem, no matter what it masquerades as.
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
asciilifeform: if i had 'the money', someone would simply whack me with a club & take it.
trinque: seems you can't own just your ass
trinque: you have to own the context of the ass!
asciilifeform: also need the nukes.
mircea_popescu: trinque not if that tightly packed with other asses.
mircea_popescu: his tragedy, and make no mistake alf is a true tragic figure,
mircea_popescu: is that his brain has decided it will not live without the products of industry ; while his ass does not enjoy the delights of anal proximity ; while the two are insepoarable, respectively : his ass from his head, and industry from maggotry.
mircea_popescu: you are not, incidentally, the first to confront this.,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has, i think, separated the two ?
asciilifeform: using cyclotron, perhaps
asciilifeform: but separated.
mircea_popescu: early men building up the us as an industrial power did want the part where maggotry allows them to run textile mills
asciilifeform: taleb - separated.
asciilifeform: it can be done.
mircea_popescu: but they hated with burning passion the girls involved. which, i'm sure, in their worst nightmares sounded just like mats' bus linked above
mircea_popescu: so they invented this incredibly contorted torture mechanism for them
mircea_popescu: didn't do anything for either party.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can not answer for taleb. i can tell you that as far as i'm concerned, a) my ass actually enjoys the company and b) my head actually doesn't much care about the industry.
mircea_popescu: so my solution is merely lower temperature under the tragedy pot, nothing else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your roquefort is flown in on what, dragon?
asciilifeform: or mechanical flying machine
asciilifeform: product of what, if not industry?
asciilifeform: do i catastrophically fail to grasp this ...?
mircea_popescu: and if i were in prison, i'd still have roquefort flown in, and it'd still be shared with some monkeys.
trinque: this is kinda what I mean about something like "you're smart, take the shartups for all they're worth"
mircea_popescu: and i still wouldn't mind.
asciilifeform: trinque: the problem is that they are not worth much
asciilifeform: trinque: if you are not among the annointed
mircea_popescu: i stuffed more of the finest sturgeon roe into random women than anyone you know.
trinque: I know a guy that makes like 120k building terrible web-pages
mircea_popescu: what else is roquefort for ?
trinque: I bet Galois pays more
asciilifeform: trinque: i bet he works a full shift
trinque: nah he farts around and drinks
asciilifeform: it's like eating other people's shit
asciilifeform: if you had to eat shit,
asciilifeform: wouldtcha rather eat own shit?
trinque: I dunno I have a sense of humor about it
mircea_popescu: tragic figure.
trinque: "oh my god, smell this"
trinque: ben_vulpes: ^
asciilifeform: trinque: btw i will mention that there was a time when i was out of work and starving, and tried to do all kinds of things. the normal corporate folks could tell what kind of animal i was from ten minutes' conversation and wouldn't touch me with a barge pole.
asciilifeform: trinque: i even once applied for enslavement at nsa !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you know this ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sympathetic grunts informed via side-channel
mircea_popescu: that what, "this guy is too independent thinker to hire" ?
trinque: what's the islamic concept re: lying to enemies?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in quite these words
mircea_popescu: but in substance ?
mats: 'taqiyya'?
asciilifeform: 'has never done anything but r&d, will run away after nanosecond when gets a chance'
trinque: mats: that's the one
mircea_popescu wishes he'd have the poetic skill of at least a tolstoy, to write The Story of Alf,
mircea_popescu: a great tragedy it'd be too
asciilifeform: trinque: if i were any good at lying, i would already be working as a professional liar. considering that i live in the world's capital for these
mircea_popescu: why do you suck at lying ?
asciilifeform: or at least in hollywood.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idk, why do i suck at ping-pong ?
mircea_popescu: that is probably because you overcompensate.
mircea_popescu: "too tight, trying too hard" etc in parlance.
asciilifeform: what i really suck at is socializing with generic humans without wanting to eat a bullet almost immediately
mats: such drama
mats: truly deserving of a screenplay
mircea_popescu: how come ? no curiosity ?
asciilifeform: same reason why most people don't relish chimp cage
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
asciilifeform: if you don't have the circuitry, it is an insurmountable and - more importantly - entirely unappealing problem to solve.
mircea_popescu: people fucking pay to be around the chimp cage
asciilifeform: but not in.
asciilifeform: important difference.
asciilifeform: they ~would~ - do - pay to avoid being locked in.
asciilifeform: entire u.s. real estate racket is based on this fact.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:52:40; trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point
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mircea_popescu: is this "not having the circuitry" anything akin to "i cnat spael, i'm an artistic type" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's more like 'i can't walk, had polio'
trinque: I dunno; you don't have to subscribe to their newsletter to talk
mircea_popescu: well if you feel like writing about this polio sometime i'll read it.
trinque: consider the person a specimen and ask questions
asciilifeform: << i like how mircea_popescu comes back to this image. makes me often privately wonder if he did a tour of duty as an undertaker when young man
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:23:45; mircea_popescu: by the time blood solids separate out of plasm the body's long dead.
asciilifeform: (there is a hilarious little book, by some american fella, 'stiff' - about process of decomposition and the practical applications of said field)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is in bad taste to kill people but be unfamiliar with the body's path through this world. much like eating cream but never having milked a cow, or eating meat but never having hunted, and so forth.
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: yup aside from celiacs it's bullshit
mircea_popescu: the point is made in passing in that discussion of rabbit killing.
asciilifeform: orwell had a piece concerning this, somewhere
asciilifeform: 'pacifist eats plenty of death but never cooks any himself'
asciilifeform: something to that effect
asciilifeform: << i recently met a fella who cannot drink american instant coffee. breaks out in hives. and not on account of the coffee, but from having allergy to... cockroaches.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:14:19; assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:52:40; trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point
asciilifeform: too much roach ppm.
asciilifeform: in said product.
asciilifeform: (he would not do well in a ru flat. but allergy is really something you develop from hyper-hygienic conditions anyway. a man with roach allergy was an impossible thing where i come from)
mircea_popescu: you had cockroaches ?! in fucking russia ?!
asciilifeform: well, in what is now the land of the ukrs
mircea_popescu: that's... mindblowing.
asciilifeform: but it would be a mistake to suppose that they are absent from the northern latitudes
mircea_popescu had never seen a cockroach in the flesh before going to costa rica
asciilifeform: vermin follow man around, for as long as he heats his home
mircea_popescu: had serious problems overcoming the mild curiosity. i don't see them as THAT much of a pest yet actually.
asciilifeform: no roaches in ro?!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had never ever seen one.
mircea_popescu: i had seen a rat, once.
mircea_popescu: but it was more like a wilderness sighting of wonder than anything.
mircea_popescu: i didn't know anyone who had seen one.
asciilifeform: where i live now, rat is no less a thing than in any medieval town, i imagine.
mircea_popescu: i think maybe transylvania is not warm enough
asciilifeform: they are also titanically large
mircea_popescu: tho dc is iirc even further north
asciilifeform: we have two basic species of rat here, one that climbs, and one that tunnels
asciilifeform: (both can do either, clearly, but 'specialty')
asciilifeform: in my old flat i made use of a very spiffy kind of trap, true marvel of engineering,
asciilifeform: sorta like a miniature electric chair
asciilifeform: for rat.
asciilifeform: triggered by capacitance change in the floor grid (tubular-shaped vessel)
asciilifeform: early versions had a charge on the grid at all times,
asciilifeform: and caught nothing.
asciilifeform: (student exercise: describe ~why~.)
mircea_popescu: oh and acutally, the first time i EVER encountered a rodent as a domicile pest (of exactly three times total) is, iirc, on my blog somewhere.
mircea_popescu: coupla supercute mice in cairo apt.
asciilifeform had mice, by the dozen
asciilifeform: the most objectionable, imho, thing about mice, is the stream of shit they leave behind
asciilifeform: if it were not for this, might be difficult in a modern flat (with no sacks of grain to lose, etc) to even notice them.
asciilifeform: the mice infuriated me because they reminded me so much of human vermin.
asciilifeform: who also make it impossible to ignore themselves
asciilifeform: i remember the last two mice very well
asciilifeform: clubbed them to death personally, with crowbar.
asciilifeform: right in the kitchen
asciilifeform: (they were injured by a trap, but still somehow running, at half pace)
trinque: my cat came home bloody today, must've killed some rodent or another
asciilifeform: vitamin m !
trinque: wasn't his blood
asciilifeform: i tried once to keep a cat, in the old flat. he did not like it, escaped, tunneled through a grate and never seen again.
trinque: yeah, I let mine out; got him from somebody on craigslist in the woods in TX
trinque: they're fine animals if you let them do what they're made for: climbing trees and murdering smaller animals
asciilifeform: aha. cat belongs in the wild.
trinque: otherwise they turn into that sad window-gazing bastard that jumps at every noise
asciilifeform: the cats which orbit my current dwelling are almost ideal.
pete_dushenski: << i recently waded into the bizarro world of baby diapers where monthly service of 'cloth' units is 3x price of 'disposable' AND ~40% shittier. and i do mean shittier. but... environment !
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:52:58; mircea_popescu: 1st it's all about "why will you use something you control instead of something we control ? it's cheaper! environment! racism!"
trinque: people ask me if I feed him enough. of fucking course I do; that's just a cat with muscle, not blubber
asciilifeform: they destroy vermin, and ornament the windows, trees. and, very rarely, will allow themselves to be petted.
trinque: yep
asciilifeform: trinque: when i moved to usa, i was initially puzzled why various animals were mis-shapen
asciilifeform: cat was fully 2-3x the size of 'cat' in my mind
trinque: because they're bought to be furniture
asciilifeform: ditto other creatures
trinque: dogs too
asciilifeform: i remember seeing a guinea pig
asciilifeform: my mother's lab had them, and my folks kept one as a pet for a spell, back home. it was small, ratlike animal
asciilifeform: in usa - almost lives up to its name, a pig.
asciilifeform: turned out, they feed'em corn.
asciilifeform: (or similar, processed feed) here.
asciilifeform: say what you like about the americans, but they are consistent in all things.
asciilifeform: the same thing is done to man and beast alike.
trinque: lol
trinque: corn for all gods creatures
trinque: remarkably similar result in each case
asciilifeform: even dog, somehow, is made to eat it.
trinque: that's sad
trinque: I feed animals meant to eat meat... MEAT!
asciilifeform: at least cat can run off and find, sometimes, his own meat
asciilifeform: dog is stuck.
ben_vulpes: trinque: is clearly not buying the nice frozen stuff.
trinque: I buy the primo shit from Meat on Burnside
ben_vulpes: nowai
trinque: yar
ben_vulpes: kg/wk?
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ben_vulpes: and lol can anyone actually drive to your place from the depot in less than two hours?
ben_vulpes: !up assbot
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the nearest spot that has this is the baltimore sector. ask diametric about it.
asciilifeform: iirc he used it.
pete_dushenski: "Amazon Prime Now - Skip the Trip. One-Hour Delivery."
asciilifeform: delivered milk, eggs even.
ben_vulpes: achtung logreaders!
ben_vulpes: the correct solution here is drive-by order pickup on arterials.
ben_vulpes: "shop all day, pick it up on your way home!"
asciilifeform: l0l that would be ideal here.
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asciilifeform: but inescapably reminds me of the east asian piss-motorcycles
ben_vulpes: i know!
ben_vulpes: wait, piss-cycle?
asciilifeform: (piss-men drive between cars in, e.g, shanghai, with jars, will let you piss for a coin)
pete_dushenski: << and i thought i was hairy-(ish)
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