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asciilifeform: or, going back to more familiar ground, the microcode update key perma-baked into all intel cpu since '95
asciilifeform: or the locations of all x,xxx nato arms caches in ru and eastern eu
asciilifeform: could go on, but i'm not a novelist, just trying to make a point
mircea_popescu: seems arbitrary.
asciilifeform: basic idea is, a mortal wound
asciilifeform: rather than just disfiguring
asciilifeform: to usg.
mircea_popescu: suppose you're 13, and suppose you're hot for mary sue, and suppose i am invisible, and suppose i steal her diary.
mircea_popescu: is your argument going to be that "unless it shows her naked fucking a satellite it's not truely a diary" ?
mircea_popescu: 13yo girls don't normally take that sorta footage.
asciilifeform: but usg does
asciilifeform: has private keys just like you and i
mircea_popescu: you think it does, because to your starstruck eyes this 13 yo girl is like ... madonna.
mircea_popescu: only better.
mircea_popescu: except... she's a dumb 13 yo with barel yany tits, that nobody but you would even notice.
decimation: note that usg only gains superpowers when she's trying to conduct a worldwide coordinated deception
asciilifeform: to run with the analogy, she's the 'fat kid with rich father'
asciilifeform: from mircea_popescu's earlier article
asciilifeform: usg is running on two centuries of plunder and exuberant technowankery, from which, granted, only fumes remain in the tank
mircea_popescu: eh... here's the caper : if she were, for a weird reason, the fucking queen of terrania
asciilifeform: kid may be so far he's spherical, but father was very, very rich.
mircea_popescu: it'd be because everyone's so saying, not for any other reason.
asciilifeform: *so fat
mircea_popescu: if they change their mind... you're left holding up a very scared 13 yo.
mircea_popescu: one that THINKS it used to do things to "make" everyone bla bla.
mircea_popescu: and then splat she goes
mircea_popescu: on the asphalt.
asciilifeform: might check under the bed and see if the red button's still connected to something, before splat ?
mircea_popescu jew waves
assbot: FAA hands local air traffic control to MCAS Cherry Point ... ( )
asciilifeform: when the last usg fighter runs headlong into the last usg bomber, and the fireball takes out their last aerial tanker, we can say 'can't'
asciilifeform: << unrelated to above but relevant to BingoBoingo's article
assbot: Cops: MO candidate dies of self-inflicted gunshot wound ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ with alleged audio
decimation: maybe he was in the cherry business too
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asciilifeform: or why stick to boring old kinetic killing machines;
asciilifeform: let's learn whether - and how - noblis corp. molested the britneychain.
asciilifeform: or say a shipment of petahash's worth of usg-commissioned miners sailing from taiwan ends up in hands of 'isis' because of a leaked key
asciilifeform: then - yes, leaks like sieve
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu remarked, iirc, that i'm living in berlin circa '44, but it looks rather more like '38 here.
asciilifeform: where's the stalingrad, damnit.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: << relevant to thread
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say later if were able to digest it. otherwise i might have to attempt a transl.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i get a general idea
mircea_popescu: guy wants a magic trumpet to make enemies stand out from friends.
asciilifeform: xlating now
asciilifeform: tough cookie, this one
mircea_popescu: well im off, tomorro.
asciilifeform: sssschhhlink!
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cazalla: well, this is an interesting article inc
assbot: CEO Of Bitcoin Exchange Killed In Thailand | ... ( )
fluffypony: cazalla: <blockquote> tags
cazalla: refresh, fixed it, reverted to an earlier draft for some reason
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cazalla: you don't see them now do you fluffypony ?
fluffypony: no all fixed
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu << translation
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: eh, what the hell, it's ~1kb
asciilifeform: 'The Buglers' (Noam Korzhavin, 1955.)
assbot: Страница не найдена ... ( )
asciilifeform: English translation brought to you by #bitcoin-assets.)
asciilifeform: Since childhood I've dreamed that a bugler would blow,
asciilifeform: We'll wake and hear hoofbeats a-thundering go,
asciilifeform: You'll learn who is who, and the truth cannot hide:
asciilifeform: Your foes straight ahead, and your friends - at your side.
asciilifeform: And then aeroplanes pierced the night with a roar,
asciilifeform: And buglers were blowing their bugles once more,
asciilifeform: Tachankas [1] and cannon did roll through the mud,
asciilifeform: And heroes awakened, and out poured their blood,
asciilifeform: With thunderous valor, all those years did shine
asciilifeform: Yet still I would wait for some obvious sign.
asciilifeform: I thought I saw all - but blind have I been,
asciilifeform: As betwixt our friends did our foes scurry in.
asciilifeform: And many a foe was within our own ranks,
asciilifeform: And sometimes - they carried the flags at our flanks.
asciilifeform: Life hits me hard, knocks me out of the ring.
asciilifeform: But still I shall wait for my bugle to sing.
asciilifeform: Though truth does not fade, and my conscience won't go
asciilifeform: But days turn to years, yet that bugler won't blow.
asciilifeform: And as old age draws near, will I remain strong,
asciilifeform: And dream till I die, of the bugler's bright song?
asciilifeform: But what if to blow it ourselves is our lot?
asciilifeform: Since we, only we, are the buglers we've got.
asciilifeform: [1] Who doesn't know, can look it up.
asciilifeform: Approximately - chariot, but with Maxim gun.
asciilifeform: damn, now i forget why i did this.
punkman: maybe we need ;)
assbot: Ada Bare bones - OSDev Wiki ... ( )
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jurov: <asciilifeform> where's the stalingrad, damnit. << since usg is in hybrid warfare mostly with itself... no stalingrad possibly recognizable in that mess
jurov: or maybe it was 9/11 already?
kakobrekla: that alfs translation somehow lead me to , seems full version.
assbot: Огненные версты / The Fiery Miles - YouTube ... ( )
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assbot: Mozi - Chinese Text Project ... ( )
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danielpbarron: height=236104 vs height=194761
danielpbarron: sata: height=236104 usb3: height=233770
danielpbarron: usb3 might be slower than 5400 rpm
fluffypony: welp, CEO of Bitcoin killed again:
danielpbarron slaps fluffypony around a bit with a large Qntra
fluffypony: no I read the article on Qntra, this is the media getting it wrong again
danielpbarron: oh lol "CEO of Bitcoin"
adlai slaps danielpbarron around a bit with a ra qnt
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chetty: media and wrong should be synonyms
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mircea_popescu: i like how asciilifeform makes notes to point out that hey, you could be looking this up :D
mircea_popescu: (btw, you should prolly put that up on yoru blog. pastes are temporary)
assbot: Hai c-am furat un negativ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
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scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu:
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
mircea_popescu: cazalla a) killed is a little misleading, traditionally "died" is the word for accidental death ; b) isn't this teppy of dragon tale / tale in the desert fame ?
BingoBoingo: b) that just might be
BingoBoingo: a) For violent accidents that lead to death killed is used frequently
BingoBoingo: ;;google killed in one car accident
gribble: '60 Minutes' correspondent Bob Simon dies in car accident - <>; Woman killed after 3 vehicle accident on the Mass Pike | <>; Bruce Jenner in Horrible Car Crash -- 1 Person Dead | < (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: dies or died probably the better word though
chetty: yep, Andrew Tepper, A Tale in the Desert and Dragon Tales
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thestringpuller: "i dont think its a good idea to go poking around the profiles of the dead on reddit."
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chetty: oh hey no different Tepper, Adam not Andrew :P
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thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.72, Best ask: 252.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 252.17, 24 hour volume: 6891.50924384, 24 hour low: 245.2, 24 hour high: 256.15, 24 hour vwap: 252.06286089
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cazalla: <BingoBoingo> a) For violent accidents that lead to death killed is used frequently <<< that was my thinking, was not an intentional click bait title as some alleged
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
assbot: Adam Tepper, Bitcoin trader and CEO of Independent Reserve, killed in motorcycle accident in Phuket - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( )
assbot: Australian killed in Thailand identified as Independent Reserve CEO ... ( )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo turns out that one's andrew not adam, my bad
assbot: Police Chief Arrested for Soliciting Prostitution | ... ( )
mod6: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00038286 / 0.0003987 / 0.00041666 (5126534 shares, 2,044.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00035757 / 0.00040127 / 0.00048515 (19982463 shares, 8,018.43 BTC), 30D: 0.0003293 / 0.00039709 / 0.00048515 (95164556 shares, 37,789.00 BTC)
mod6: well, I'm back. :]
mod6 catches up on logs.
ben_vulpes: how was vaycay?
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mod6: thanks, good!
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [04:32] what does ben_vulpes do with his apple boxen? just throws them out when disk fills ? << generally, backup disk, format, give to pets and or repurpose as misc. computing devices around the house/office.
ben_vulpes: it's an abysmal cycle.
mod6: haven't had any time off in like... 8 years.
mod6: i don't think i've ever been 3 days behind on logs. lol.
mod6 keeps reading
thestringpuller: mod6: doesn't like #b-a people
mircea_popescu: mod6 past week or so hasnt been all that terrible.
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mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, not too bad. lot of trades tho!
mod6: thestringpuller: what?
mod6: lol, always tryin to troll me.
thestringpuller: it's cause you changed my life with da jeezy
thestringpuller: trap or die!
mod6: :P
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asciilifeform: << permalink for my barbaric translation from last night
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu has a prettified one on his site
asciilifeform: ^ a snowdenism featured a cellar where nsa likes to open mail, plant bugs in routers, etc. there was an outside shot. someone appears to have found it on 'google earth' and is now marked
asciilifeform: will soon have reviews! likely
asciilifeform: 'best bug, great service'
chetty: someone should start returning the favor
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assbot: Коржавин, Наум Моисеевич — Википедия ... ( )
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asciilifeform: ^ funnily enough, after being let go from gulag, he earned his living for many years as a translator.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: << almost like he wrote this one just for you
decimation: < BingoBoingo this might make an interesting story
decimation: you have a PACER account don't you?
BingoBoingo: decimation: I'll give it another read. Maybe you could give a writeup a try since you seem to have a hook for it.
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assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: we did this one here
assbot: Logged on 27-02-2015 01:24:58; asciilifeform: usg found two clinically certifiable imbeciles and now they have 'terrorists' in the dock
asciilifeform: (see rest of thread)
chetty: must remind us how much we need dhs
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asciilifeform: incidentally, uzbek translator for usg must be a killer gig
asciilifeform: doubtful that there's more than a handful of them
asciilifeform: probably 'name own price'
asciilifeform: esp. if you consider that they have to be 'cleared', (nominally) loyaltied, etc
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: harumph
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the interesting thing is that so far they use that and only that kind of 'feedstock'
asciilifeform: (borderline retards, no money, no alibi, no lawyer, plenty of 'damning six words written by honest man')
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asciilifeform: though folks who differ from above portrait solely in the have-money part (e.g. shrem) are also a favourite prey animal
asciilifeform: the only thing better than a generic imbecile is one with a titanic bag of benjies under his car seat
asciilifeform: (local police chief's 'porsche' won't buy itself!)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'porsche' << civil forfeiture, not terrism.
asciilifeform: two tastes that go great together (TM)
asciilifeform: esp. once the maggots are done with the rotting flesh (above tale and similar) and start on the living meat
asciilifeform: i.e. the folks with houses, jobs, savings (miracle!), bitcoin
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asciilifeform: right now is 'easy going' because the polizei are only expected to deliver up carcasses for the show trials, rather than revenue
asciilifeform: when it's a+b - then the 'fun' starts
ben_vulpes: why bother? just print more.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: may as well ask, why tax
ben_vulpes: politically useful. see the routine audits of whoever's not in power.
asciilifeform: answer is that the machine doesn't work if run on 100% bzollar
asciilifeform: gotta have some actual petrol in that water
asciilifeform: for engine to run.
ben_vulpes: confiscation isn't likely to compare with taxes pulled in from payrol..
ben_vulpes: payroll*.
asciilifeform: depends on what is confiscated, and from whom
asciilifeform: not simply a matter of balance sheet, either.
ben_vulpes: what, then?
asciilifeform: some politically important ethnic minority, for instance, might enjoy living in ben_vulpes's house
ben_vulpes: there are no ethnic minorities around here, and won't be for another decade easily.
asciilifeform: just example.
ben_vulpes: sure.
ben_vulpes: even then, there's miles of pressed shitboard that can yet be erected.
asciilifeform: can be erected by whom ?
asciilifeform: paid in what ?
ben_vulpes: why go through the trouble of confiscating, when again, funds for disbursement to the 'blessed poor' can be routed to the homebuilders?
ben_vulpes: 'opportunity grants'
ben_vulpes: tax credits for sales to favorite sons.
asciilifeform: basic hypothesis here: the machine is still burning fat, rather than own muscle, while what is being stolen is the surplus
asciilifeform: when it is the principal - the physical shortages begin
asciilifeform: and things turn openly soviet
ben_vulpes: is orlov's account of the soviet collapse halfway accurate?
ben_vulpes: 'reinventing collapse'?
asciilifeform: 100% accurate, allowing for survivor bias
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asciilifeform: (the folks who got the worst of it, are not here and are certainly not writing books in engl.)
asciilifeform: he devotes a few pages to them.
ben_vulpes: i'm interested in the survivor's tale. taking notes on how to get the least fucked.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: then read mr o's 'post-soviet lessons' at the very least
asciilifeform: it's on www.
asciilifeform: if you like dead tree, it's 'reinventing collapse', 'hold your applause', and 'the five stages of collapse' in that order.
ben_vulpes: i shall
asciilifeform: (personal recommendation. his later stuff, i'm not a fan of, anarchoprimitivism is not my cup of poison)
asciilifeform: ^ parts 2 and 3 in same thread below there.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: basic observation (by no means mine! or even solely orlov's) is that collapse comes 'in fits.' for example, at the moment it did not occur to you to think that obtaining drywall or labourers to knock together a 'shitboard' house, could ever be problematic
asciilifeform: just as you might think, while driving car, that you might run out of fuel, but not out of air
asciilifeform: there is actually a small drywall (sheets) factory not far from where i live
asciilifeform: dingiest, most run-down industrial landscape one could hope to meet
asciilifeform: first few times i walked past it, was convinced that it was abandoned
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can read russian poetry a lot better once someone's conveniently done 99% of the work, found the equivalents, set out the rhyming scheme etc
asciilifeform: but then, one time after sundown, saw the lights
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll do that one next, quite possibly
asciilifeform: when shiva hand or two frees up for a spell
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> probably 'name own price' << yeah, right. usg would rather have google translated material by some crafty armenian at "pay grade" than pay what competent guy asks.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and the factory churns on, because the trucks carrying gypsum come on schedule, the roughnecks show up, etc
asciilifeform: but what if one of the ingredients went missing. or hiccuped.
mircea_popescu: << "we only pick fighters we know we can put the fear of god in".
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 23:24:13; asciilifeform: though folks who differ from above portrait solely in the have-money part (e.g. shrem) are also a favourite prey animal
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: translators... armenian << actually usg translator racket is - traditionally - ultra-lucrative. complete with own boom'n'bust cycles
mircea_popescu: you ever seen that film ?
mircea_popescu: miller's crossing.
mircea_popescu: must see.
asciilifeform adds to list
mircea_popescu: put it at the top, tis great.
asciilifeform: was that the one where 'i'm not selling a license to shoot bookies today'
mircea_popescu: you ain't bought a license to kill bookies, and today i ain't sellin' any.
mircea_popescu: so take yer flunkie an' dangle.
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assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 23:34:24; asciilifeform: some politically important ethnic minority, for instance, might enjoy living in ben_vulpes's house
asciilifeform: why not 'so french' or - hell - 'so roman'
mircea_popescu: << keep a harem, of women that have no children, no pity and can shoot.
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 23:38:48; ben_vulpes: i'm interested in the survivor's tale. taking notes on how to get the least fucked.
asciilifeform: ^ works best on atomic dirigible
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because your folk's special alf :D
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mircea_popescu: btw i sent the guy a note, if he shows up him
asciilifeform: what was this
mircea_popescu: !s existential
assbot: 15 results for 'existential' :
mircea_popescu: first hit
asciilifeform: 'So far there has been only one issue with the text content: publishing of drug production recipes is illegal in Russia, so we received a request from the government agency to hide them from visitors from Russia (otherwise they would block the whole site). Visitors from other countries can see those pages.'
asciilifeform: this is actually a thing
asciilifeform: occasionally
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to round off the earlier thread, house will be confiscated a) ahead of schedule, if you get lucky b) when your local real estate racket's ability to crank out drywall, pour cement, assemble the thing is outpaced by, e.g., flood of $refugees from $pisshole who 'deserve' your house and your neighbour's
asciilifeform: when it becomes a question of physical difficulty in obtaining any other way, or even prior - a symbolic but tasty bone thrown to folks who hate you for what you are - the confiscations.
ben_vulpes: how do rentals fare in this model?
asciilifeform: packed denser, repaired even more seldom, and again denser, and at geometrically climbing cost
ben_vulpes: does the political power du jour really go so far as to entirely alienate the rentiers?
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 04:09:15; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the town where i live is being slowly converted into gigantic sov-style communal flats (officially, 'student housing', in practice - they will live their whole lives therein)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the rentiers are swimming 'in chocolate' and happier than could ever wish
asciilifeform: the renters - different story.
ben_vulpes: 'chocolate'?
ben_vulpes: i'm sure there's some fatalistic reasoning against buying property and renting it out in this scenario
asciilifeform: 'gravy' in trad. engl. i think.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where i live, the rental racket is being rapidly rolled up by mega-conglomerates who specialize in building titanic blocks of communal flats
asciilifeform: literally communal
asciilifeform: (see linked thread)
asciilifeform: just a few hrs ago i drove past a street where they were knocking down, as we speak, sixteen or so blocks of rental houses
asciilifeform: where mega-highrise kommunal flats will be built
asciilifeform: these will be inhabited, incidentally, by chumps feeding the 'college' chumpatron
asciilifeform: (the on-campus housing is packed to the gunnels)
asciilifeform: these folks are being prepared, by the flats far more so than anything in the lecture halls, for how the rest of their lives will be lived.
asciilifeform: if their luck holds.
ben_vulpes: 'komunalki' < hm
ben_vulpes: yeah.
ben_vulpes: see also kibbutz
asciilifeform: kibbutz, kolhoz - had at least a nominal collective purpose
asciilifeform: rather than straight cynical meat warehouse
asciilifeform: the practical difference is that folks -work- at a kolhoz
asciilifeform: not merely park their arses there
gabriel_laddel: Incidentally, a friend of mine from Romania told me a story about what happened to his family's house during the communist revolution: It was seized, concrete was poured on the (expensive hardwood!) floors after it was stripped of any valuables.
gabriel_laddel: Used for communal something-or-other
gabriel_laddel: also the kibbutz is a voluntary arrangement afaik
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 05:31:28; asciilifeform: 'Astolphe de Custine was brought up for a time by a faithful servant, living in penury with her in the only room of the Custine home that had not been looted and sealed off by Jacobin zealots and thieves.'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: voluntary (nominally) for the adults, yes
asciilifeform: outfits such as 'google', i'm told, are experimenting with bringing back the factory dormitory. which would have a bright future in usa, if there were any factories
gabriel_laddel: the hell that googlers live in now is amusing
asciilifeform: the hell they lived in from day one was always amusing
asciilifeform: from safe distance
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2014 05:30:22; asciilifeform: one man's 300k is not the same as another's
gabriel_laddel: hehe yeah
gabriel_laddel: I've listened to my friends talk about their sibling's lives at google. They make (nominally) lots of money, but it all is consumed by the costs of living.
gabriel_laddel: I think this "Stanislav Datskovskiy" guy has the right idea though...
gabriel_laddel: Question for Mr. M:
gabriel_laddel: In an "arbeit macht frei" world, will you - in particular - be permitted to busy yourself with writing unorthodox operating systems - or, for that matter, articles like this one? Or with carving wooden toys?
gabriel_laddel: Who gets to become a "delicate aristocrat," dodging carving duty, and why?
gabriel_laddel: Could we instead ask for concertina wire, mine fields, and automatic turrets separating the human beings - with their robotic plenty - from the zombies, with their decay and hunger for flesh?
gabriel_laddel: Has anyone considered the possibility that the living dead are kept around, safe from the Soilent Green pot, encouraged to be fruitful and multiply, etc. precisely to help make arbeit macht frei ever so slowly more palatable to the remaining humans?
gabriel_laddel: I hope you like carving toys (or demunging databases) for Mr. Altman and his ilk. Because that is what we'll both be doing soon enough. If permitted to live...
gabriel_laddel: "Where do you want to go today?" To a Sharashka or garden-variety GULAG? Largely a matter of taste (and luck.)
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asciilifeform tries to recall what that was about
asciilifeform: incidentally - and i am quite sure that mr mold would disagree - but he went to the precise place where i proclaimed he is doomed to go.
asciilifeform: when his benjie bag ran dry.
gabriel_laddel: the impotent bezzle-lords?
asciilifeform: more specifically.
gabriel_laddel: urbit it teh lameness
asciilifeform: no more urbit circa '2010, and certainly no 'unqualified reservations', but urbit-flavoured webdev for arseappchatbookville.
gabriel_laddel: "urbit-flavoured webdev" lol where?
asciilifeform: why funded and by whom ?
asciilifeform: watch his film (somebody filmed him pitching at a conference of one kind or another)
asciilifeform: now, no one is at risk for having to do web dev in it
asciilifeform: but as i gather the urbit folks are occupied primarily with pitching just this elaborate scam on the vc circuit
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asciilifeform: hence precious little time left over for actual work
gabriel_laddel: I don't think it's a scam exactly... what they want is for nothing to change, and he provided it. :/
asciilifeform: (of which, because of the braindamaged design, there is an inexhaustible amount)
gabriel_laddel: "why funded and by whom ?" << I really can't figure this out, it's like the relationship the USG club have with the Saudis. *mumble mumble* ... little boys... *mumble mumble*
asciilifeform: aka 'merit wash'
gabriel_laddel: The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/
asciilifeform: but also a certain amount of 'sultan has infinite money, why shouldn't he sit down on a toilet of monocrystalline diamond, the costlier and more useless - the better'
asciilifeform: why ru oligarchs buy british sport teams, without giving a damn whether it wins or loses, etc
asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's 'tin woman' article.
gabriel_laddel: Eh, perhaps I'm strange, but these things don't tickle me in the right places. Mountains of coke? Fun, surely, but it gets boring after a while...
gabriel_laddel: Also, I /don't like/ the macbook retina, fancy as it may be
asciilifeform: the madness of the terminally bored is key to understanding much of what we spoke of here.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i recently watched such a machine burst lcd for no discernible reason
asciilifeform: right in front of me
asciilifeform: apple wouldn't take it back.
asciilifeform: it was roughly 2 wks old.
gabriel_laddel: unsurprising. Mine would get extremely hot for no particular reason.
asciilifeform: another colleague of mine is shipping his back as we speak - kernel panics every 20min or so
gabriel_laddel: hahahahahaa
asciilifeform: and - he'll be given an identical box.
asciilifeform: because what's the alternative.
gabriel_laddel: feminist computing, about as good as feministfim
gabriel_laddel: feminist theater
gabriel_laddel: (I have a $300 compaq that I prefer to any apple crapware - same one as MP iirc)
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asciilifeform: do all the peripherals - incl. gpu and power management module (e.g., suspend-to-ram) function without burping under linux/bsd ?
asciilifeform: can i connect 10,000 x 8,000 of lcd acreage ?
gabriel_laddel: I doubt it.
asciilifeform: ecc ram ?
gabriel_laddel: probably not
asciilifeform: see where this is going ?
asciilifeform: apple plays like monopolist because it -is- a monopoly
asciilifeform: on portable unix box that sorta works
gabriel_laddel: Yes. Someone needs to specify their requirements, then someone else needs to take a trip to china, find suppliers etc. and assemble somthing sane. Like system76, except not for Ubuntu crap
asciilifeform: sane is countereconomic.
gabriel_laddel: Nonsense.
asciilifeform: who's gonna pay the $25K that thing will - inevitably - cost ?
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gabriel_laddel: ^ you'll remember this
asciilifeform: or my own 'professional computing' article
gabriel_laddel: Also, MP gave 20K to openBSD - there are people willing to fund such ventures.
asciilifeform: incidentally, there is apparently a market for diamond-and-gold-encrusted but otherwise ordinary wintel laptops.
asciilifeform: but not professional equipment. go figure.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: 20k is pocket change
asciilifeform: in hardware biz
gabriel_laddel: I agree. My point is that there is a market.
gabriel_laddel: I'd happily pay 100k for a computer that actual /worked/
asciilifeform: it wouldn't buy a (new) pick'n'place robot, for example, unless you go ultra-chinese
gabriel_laddel: My point with the 20k is that there are individuals who are willing to fund such ventures. Yes, MP hasn't put up 5MM usd for sane computing, but afaik, no one has proposed such a plan to him.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: problem is, the folks willing to be the 'pioneers with arrows in their back' would each have to pay 100M not 100K for the thing to happen.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: possibly because i explained to him just what would be involved
gabriel_laddel: I disagree. You want to do this in one fell swoop. There are other ways to go about it.
asciilifeform: and how 5m wouldn't even appear as a droplet of rain in the seven seas.
asciilifeform: this is probably where we are doomed to disagree.
gabriel_laddel: If your goal is to do a chip level restart, one needn't start there, from a business perspective.
gabriel_laddel: And yes, we probably are doomed to disagree.
asciilifeform: i specifically assign the failure of each and every attempt to date with the notion that you can get to the moon by piling chairs.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: well actually your observation is correct above: the only way to fund such a thing is to be obscenely successful in some entirely unrelated venture.
asciilifeform: so quite right - one needn't (mustn't!) start there.
gabriel_laddel: I'm glad to have communicated that.
asciilifeform: but if that venture relates to computing in any way, you will probably render your brain unfit for the original mission.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: after putting your brain through x86 etc. you're unable to think non-von neumann?
gabriel_laddel: nonsense.
asciilifeform: more abstract problem
gabriel_laddel: do explain
asciilifeform: when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it
gabriel_laddel: ! how did I end up doing this?
gabriel_laddel: !s how did I end up doing this?
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asciilifeform: and no one will undo the 40 yrs of retardation who has reached this state
asciilifeform: must be fueled by burning hatred for the way it all is
BingoBoingo: "Cocaine Induced Brain Atrophy" is the obstacle
gabriel_laddel: my search failed, but I specifically remember you complaining in here about what you currently do. You've been doing this for some time now iirc
asciilifeform: for the 'a-students' who have all the crud memorized unthinkingly and 'are marketable'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it << With regard to this
asciilifeform: for the microshit and www stack shit eaters
gabriel_laddel: also, I've been doing this programming thing for going on 3 years - let me be clear - I /hate/ it.
asciilifeform: keep hating.
gabriel_laddel: cocaine causes your brain to atrophy?
asciilifeform: it lets you know - you're still a man
gabriel_laddel: related to "cocaine" - the only way I can do boring parsing tasks anymore is by drinking enough caffine to get high.
gabriel_laddel: else it is simply far too boring
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: When you make your fortune on stupidity, the cocaine you can afford makes you liek the stupidity
asciilifeform: prepare for the day when the dope doesn't work, the flesh had enough
asciilifeform: ^ goes equally well for king and slave alike
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Could also be called yacht or pile of hookers induced brain atrophy
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gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: well yes, c does modify the rewards pathway, but one neednt do it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the next phase of the disease, as i understand, is to 'turn nero'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where do you suppose the legends of moneyed folks hunting bipedal prey in arizona, etc. come from ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Exactly
asciilifeform: milder cases - fund urbits
gabriel_laddel: ^ on the macro scale, far more damaging
asciilifeform: believe or not, this actually happened in past empires
gabriel_laddel: Hunting humans? Of course.
asciilifeform: e.g., turkish eunuch having (decorative, naturally!) harems of their own, complete with... eunuch guards
asciilifeform: speaking of multilevel parasitism here
asciilifeform: hunting - sop
cazalla: damn, you scooped that instantly scoopbot
gabriel_laddel: Vaguely related to the conversation above, I'm hoping for a war sometime soon - they are a good way to go about separating content from nonsense. Von N., Teller, etc. wouldn't have been able to work on the atomic bomb without the various powers that be helping out.
gabriel_laddel: I suspect we won't have to wait long.
gabriel_laddel: Vaguely related:
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: check your time machine settings. you've arrived at the wrong war
gabriel_laddel: Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.
gabriel_laddel: -- Milton Friedman
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: how so?
asciilifeform: this one is gonna be short on manhattan project and long on amulets issued to the cannon fodder that 'ward off bullets with the power of jizzus'
asciilifeform: a la iran-iraq war
asciilifeform: or boko haram.
gabriel_laddel: nah, those who invest in voodoo will get slaughtered by those who enact the plan you voiced on Mr. M's blog.
asciilifeform: it'll be voodoo + 50 yrs. of accumulated modern arms
asciilifeform: presently tested against designated foreign 'orcs' (what do you suppose urban battallions in iraq was a dress rehearsal for ?)
gabriel_laddel is not entirely sure how things will play out, but MF's prescription is really the only available option
BingoBoingo: Yesterday's linked megalol re: video voodoo is related
gabriel_laddel: in any case, I don't plan to be around for it
asciilifeform: pointing out that the voodoo will be the wunderwaffen of choice for a hypothetical 'berlin '45' usg, rather than wunderwaffen
asciilifeform: (of the working hardware kind)
asciilifeform: not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose
asciilifeform: right now (see earlier thread) 'fat' is embezzled. what of when 'meat' is ?
asciilifeform: say, today there's a 'quadra tracker' for every five or six working portable mass-spec products, what if the proportion were reversed ?
asciilifeform: what if, as in mircea_popescu's gedankenexperiment, usg were unable to resupply its men on schedule ?
asciilifeform: then - we learn what the 'b plan' is.
asciilifeform: my guess - quite like the soviet 'b plan'
asciilifeform: consisting of a buncha newly minted retirees in the swiss alps
mircea_popescu: << speaking of the entire "deserve your house', the fema experiments in st louis were a complete success.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:04:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to round off the earlier thread, house will be confiscated a) ahead of schedule, if you get lucky b) when your local real estate racket's ability to crank out drywall, pour cement, assemble the thing is outpaced by, e.g., flood of $refugees from $pisshole who 'deserve' your house and your neighbour's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's nothing whatever optional about these "plans". they're not plans in the normal sense, moar like, "what is the plan b of yonder artificial lake, once dykes fail ?"
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: sov. plan b >> (left hand. gorby on a very well-known d.c. street.)
mircea_popescu: us has been run on the path of least resistance since at least the 60s
gabriel_laddel: I will note for those reading, Argentina's orcs look the part.
gabriel_laddel: perhaps mircea_popescu will expound on the situation there?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel how so ?
mircea_popescu: ahaha that pete mercedes pic. dude looks like a total stoner paratrooper.
mircea_popescu: "i have come to liberate the buds man!"
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: local political situation (are the orcs known as such?), number of useful nuclear engineers to take care of the two reactors you've got etc.
mircea_popescu: actually this was in log, lemme see.
asciilifeform: "what is the plan b of yonder artificial lake, once dykes fail ?" << 'what should one do when a shell lands in the trench ?' -- 'jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around.' (brit., circa ww1)
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2015 23:17:04; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel ^ that entire discussion
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ar has ru-style 'meetings' ? i.e. crowds of folks with prefab picket signs, paid chump change to wave around ?
mircea_popescu: << ironically, the decay contains its own cure. there is literally nothing better for your average redditard than a forced communal living situation.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:11:29; asciilifeform: literally communal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah. and they're all colored.
mircea_popescu: (argentina is moar racist than 1850s charleston, you gotta be white.)
gabriel_laddel: sounds like home
mircea_popescu: not aryan white, either. dat vampire look, darkhaired goldilocks
asciilifeform: wai wat
gabriel_laddel: << does this quality? I've not heard of this "darkhaired goldilocks" before...
mircea_popescu: i fully expect they elect 15yo christina ricci as the next president.
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mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel mebbe.
mircea_popescu: is that you ?
mircea_popescu: all teh cute doods are in b-a i swear.
asciilifeform: lol i thought it was pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: fwiw, i thought you were like 50.
mircea_popescu: you sound ancient, whadda ya want from me
asciilifeform used to routinely get flames which presumed old age
asciilifeform never fully understood why
mircea_popescu: sam altman is the exact equivalent of britni spears.
punkman: asciilifeform: because you were shouting "get off my lawn" at them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you also sound ancient.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with the difference (see earlier in this thread) being that spears does not operate a multilevel mmmatron for cranking out copies of self
gabriel_laddel: That sam altman is a fuckwit isn't in contention amongst those in here.
mircea_popescu: yes, actually, she does.
asciilifeform: her handlers - yes, do
asciilifeform: spears ?
mircea_popescu: spears, altman, both, identically, on all scores.
mircea_popescu: minus the tits.
gabriel_laddel: He has people run their grubby little fingers through all HN comments, and they warn people who are too "right-wing"
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm not certain that he's a fuckwit; could also be scum that knows precisely what he's doing
mircea_popescu: spears thought she "recorded records", altman thinks he "made reddit gain more users than hn has in total"
mircea_popescu: exactly the same thing
asciilifeform: but - a hitler, or just a lowly feldfebel ?
gabriel_laddel: Even if he knows what he is doing, still a fuckwit. Everyone knows the story of the scorpion and the monk, right?
mircea_popescu: a britni spears.
mircea_popescu: "the most elitest minds of a society"
mircea_popescu: you know this guy is retarded.
mircea_popescu: srsly, the most elistest minds OF A SOCIETY ?
asciilifeform: or employs a monkey to write 'his' communique
asciilifeform: if good enough for potus,...
mircea_popescu pictures asciilifeform in bed with a woman he picked up earlier in metro. she goes "oh honey, that was SO FUCKING GREAT!" he goes "or maybe i wasn't even in!"
asciilifeform: 'that was the depth gauge, silly'
asciilifeform: (for readers not zoologically-inclined: herr altman is paul graham's right-hand man / catamite)
asciilifeform: presently running the pg lulzatron as crown prince
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mircea_popescu: remarkably on point.
asciilifeform: ^ spoof, afaik
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assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:34:18; gabriel_laddel: The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/
mircea_popescu: now where's that trrilema article i want to reference. the one pointing out this entire vc thing is old guys dating.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: do you have pointers to any information about Uncle Al's roach repellent other than mailing list / forum posts and the patent?
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gabriel_laddel: also, any more information on the Chinese run?
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mircea_popescu: "That'd be your VC circuit : a bunch of old men who have no time to spend with their actual children. They claim this is because "they have to work", but in fact it's because a) they're afraid of their actual children and b) their actual children hate and despise them, in no particular order. This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children, so
mircea_popescu: that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated."
mircea_popescu: shit yeah. tyvm
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assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:44:28; asciilifeform: but not professional equipment. go figure.
mircea_popescu: in africa there's a market for gold encrusted trabant, not so much for an actulaly good car.
gabriel_laddel: "This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children,so that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated."
gabriel_laddel: this is exactly correct. PG, for example, sees me coding in a coffee shop, is there with his kid.
gabriel_laddel: he then tries to convince the kid that they should go home and code instead of answering the kids questions
mircea_popescu: the situation where i never had children yet understand more of parenting than all these people with children depending on them is about as alarming as the situation where i'd not be a woman but know more about fucking than all women. what a shitworld!
gabriel_laddel: I might as well explicate my thoughts on the matter, perhaps I'll learn something from someone else who has thought about it.
gabriel_laddel: If your kid is asking question - answer them. They'll arrive at coding and mathematics by themselves.
gabriel_laddel: The reason these things are interesting is becuase they exist independently of us, they're unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: << you know, just because hunters wear animal skins doesn't mean they're furry animals.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:51:13; asciilifeform: when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel if you got a purpose in mind, you need a tool not a child.
mircea_popescu: you ever read the discussion wit hthe slaves re the dead rabbit ?
gabriel_laddel: as to why you killed it and not a wolf?
mircea_popescu: that one. important part there being about understanding the animal is an animal, which is a category of things to be.
mircea_popescu: liek teh child. in this sense, children are animals. not "people" in the sense of, "just like me".
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mircea_popescu: but anyway, do go on.
gabriel_laddel: I've nothing else to say. Your grasshopper article coupled with the rabbits exposition covers it all. Don't try and make things into that which they are not. And if you have a kid, care for /them as an individual/. Your life is over. Make way for the next generation.
gabriel_laddel: Incidentally this is what Sean Parker's father did, and Sean is one of the coolest Silly con valley people
mircea_popescu: which the fuck is the grasshopper article
gabriel_laddel: /s/grasshopper/dragonfly
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gabriel_laddel: nope. The one where you detailed your relationship with your father
gabriel_laddel: "he refused to stop living"
mircea_popescu: << certainly an apt description ofwhat we're doing here.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 01:05:16; gabriel_laddel: Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.
mircea_popescu: << you will notice the imperial mooks got utterly owned in that play
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 01:07:58; asciilifeform: presently tested against designated foreign 'orcs' (what do you suppose urban battallions in iraq was a dress rehearsal for ?)
decimation: point of interest - on youtube one can easily obtain copies of the vienna philharmonic new year's concert (neujahrskonzert). it's clear that it is broadcast all over europe, yet I have never heard of it being broadcast in the us
gabriel_laddel: btw, I was using the word "mooc" the other day, and I think you read it as "mook". I meant "MOOC" as in "massively open online course"
mircea_popescu: << fwiw, the merging of those two ideas yields a pretty powerful metaphor. i've been considering it since you mentioned it first, earlier.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 01:10:09; asciilifeform: right now (see earlier thread) 'fat' is embezzled. what of when 'meat' is ?
decimation: apparently this is one artifact of the divorce between england and the 'continent'
mircea_popescu: decimation it's a big deal in yurp
mircea_popescu: civilised people tend to play it for xmas.
decimation: right, which is why it amazes me that it's unheard of in the us
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel no i got that.
mircea_popescu: coursera et al.
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decimation: asciilifeform: another colleague of mine is shipping his back as we speak - kernel panics every 20min or so << I'm convinced that the 'gpu issue' happens on even more recent macbooks
decimation: apple assumes that you don't need to use your computer to compute, so it isn't designed for sustained levels of cpu-pegging
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decimation: asciilifeform: not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose < My prediction is 'descent into regional civil war'
ben_vulpes: "failed to live...and impose their existence upon those children" << i'm a bit confused about the "give up, make way for the next generation" attitude when put next to the "parents should impose their existence upon their children".
mod6 is caught up
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mod6: << we still need to have this talk, indeed. I haven't forgotten :]
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 21:54:23; asciilifeform: with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes tis complicated.
cazalla: anyone know if i'm missing any from the list? just using alexa as one metric, will find others for use in comparison each month going
cazalla: oops, forget to remove tardstalk from that one (have a longer list with other non news sites)
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asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: any more information on the Chinese run << of al's eötvös experiment ? just some private correspondence, where he confirms the same story told on usenet
asciilifeform: (i have no reason not to believe him)
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: ditto the roach repellent
asciilifeform: though i have not tried it personally, nor do i know enough about roaches to say if there are nuances not accounted for
asciilifeform: (i did work through a good chunk of the maths behind al's eötvös adventures, for own edification and to attempt to come up with a way to rescue him - to learn how that went, see old thread)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you will notice the imperial mooks got utterly owned in that play << afaik usg accomplished their one non-negotiable thing in iraq - break the orcs into eternally-warring bantustans, 'vaccinate' against any possible emergence of a real sovereign
asciilifeform: plus they churned inventory, the real immediate purpose of all usg .mil maneuvers
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the merging of those two ideas yields a pretty powerful metaphor. << let's have the ps0t, yes. looking forward to reading it
asciilifeform: decimation: the 'gpu issue' happens on even more recent macbooks << it's been a thing ever since the mandatory switch to pb-free
gabriel_laddel: (for the record, I've not run the numbers on Schwartz's experiment yet, don't know for sure yet that it is valid, but can say that yes, everything he says is falsifiable and yes, everyone who say "he is a crank" etc. is a lying scumbag for not pointing out the exact sentence where he missteps. EG: in which a "string theorist" knowingly
assbot: parity - Weak equivalence principle tests - Physics Stack Exchange ... ( )
gabriel_laddel: glosses over the whole point of the experiment, which he would know if he has read it)
asciilifeform: decimation: it is quite possibly impractical to make bga (ball grid array) ic packages without pb
asciilifeform: but they insist on it anyway
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: let's put it this way. the theoretical work gives very specific - numeric - predictions
asciilifeform: that could easily be tested.
gabriel_laddel: that should be clear to anyone reading it
gabriel_laddel: I'm not going to claim to know that the math works out unless I do it myself though
asciilifeform: 'For example, Newton's apple contains vitamin C (L-ascorbic acid) which is parity-asymmetric, and it would accelerate differently if the laws of gravity cared about the mirror images.' << lying scum, yes. implying that effect cannot exist because not observable with naked eye on naturally-occurring objects
asciilifeform: whereas all kinds of bullshit, which cannot be observed anywhere, ever, even in principle - is entirely real to a 'string theorist.'
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asciilifeform: physics - as a discipline - is 99+% tumour, with scarcely any patient tissue remaining
asciilifeform: of the ordinary sort
gabriel_laddel: reality will do a backtracking branch cut soon enough
gabriel_laddel: we just have to wait
asciilifeform: all tumours eventually stop growing...
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: btw, do you know any category theory?
asciilifeform: only the very basics.
gabriel_laddel: it seem to me that they're not doing the obvious, which bothers me somewhat.
asciilifeform: the experiment ?
asciilifeform: well, yes.
asciilifeform: if they did it, someone, somewhere, might dig up the fella who actually invented it
gabriel_laddel: nah, the obvious, in the case of category theory: Sucking up all the mathematics ever via some OCR routines and categorizing it via computer. Have an intern write a parser for latex -> ast
asciilifeform: the whole affair went on in its current form far too long for the usual dance of the buggers - 'pretend it never happened' - to go as does
asciilifeform head-desks
gabriel_laddel: my basic understanding of category theory is that there are interesting things that can be derived when you break down basic mathematics into some abstractions such as functors, mappings etc.
asciilifeform: 1) ocr doesn't work because 99.99% is still ludicrously low - human reader -who fully understands the text- still required 2) no ocr exists or is reasonably likely to ever exist for anything rich in notation 3) the machine-readability of most mathematical work is a fully ai-complete problem
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if you're thinking of a human-cranked systematization project, straight to doug lenat's 'cyc' (i'll spoil it for you: it was stillborn)
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: this is exactly what I was thinking of
gabriel_laddel: well, I've not looked at cyc yet, but thanks for the pointer.
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gabriel_laddel hand-cranked systematization is exactly what I had in mind
asciilifeform: the politics of cyc etc. aside, such projects are about as interesting as the historical proposals to go to the moon in balloons, shooting men from cannons, etc.
asciilifeform: fact is, we haven't actually built computers yet
mircea_popescu: cazalla alexa's pretty clueless fwiw.
asciilifeform: any more than montgolfier brothers had 'aviation'
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah but at least it is clueless to each site equally on the list
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nonsense. the middle east always was enternally-warring. this is like husband stuck with a bad divorce, "at least i made her into a slut"
asciilifeform: iraq had (past tense, note) army, industry, economy
asciilifeform: now has soup
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel string theorists are a lot like freudian psychanalists. the better ones follow the lieberman line.
mircea_popescu: the rest...
mircea_popescu: cazalla no, it's not.
mircea_popescu: think of it in terms of throwing bowling balls at a tree from outer space. you won't get within a mile. and if the first ball lands 735`331meters rom the tree, the next five won't land 735`331 meters from the next five threes.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> that could easily be tested. << not easily, no. but yes, they could be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i devised a test costing approximately 50k usd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: al ended up having to explain to me... well, the concept i outlined in the first thread re: this subject here in #b-a
asciilifeform: regarding provenance.
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mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: and that ftr is a valid objection.
asciilifeform: (most of the 50k, in case anyone cares, covers two well-used microcalorimeters.)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, in the ideal model which sits at the fundament of us academia, this would have been arranged over a phone call and tried the next week.
mircea_popescu: for free.
asciilifeform: it was a perfectly valid objection, which is why the experiment will not happen publicly on this side of the coming civilizational demolition.
mircea_popescu: and ironically, it's the environment i grew up in.
asciilifeform: i actually worked with a number of folks at the time who were ready to wangle access to the instruments for me.
asciilifeform: but al didn't want to pursue
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: well, he would have had to blow a rather expensive single-use wad
mircea_popescu: re alexa : last time i measured their accuracy, it came out to about 96% error rating. ie, if alexa reads 100, it can see anything between 4 and 2500.
asciilifeform: synthetic crystal of two chiral isomers of $censored that would have, according to the model, very small difference in energy of phase change
asciilifeform: in a way not accounted for by any previously known effect
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. he didn't want the experiment made in the end ?
asciilifeform: he understood that it wasn't free
asciilifeform: that is, that a failure for any number of reasons unrelated to the physical prediction - such as my hands growing out of my arse - would set him back (if such a thing were possible) years
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to know what was going through his head - write to him! i don't relish playing 'broken telephone'
asciilifeform: and the man can speak for himself, and really ought to
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun follow this logic.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it made sense to me. 'the lysenkoists refuse to even try' is bad enough, but 'see, somebody tried, it failed, shuddup' is quite possibly worse
asciilifeform: so if trying, has to be the 'full nine yards'
mircea_popescu: why does he care about implication footsie game ?
asciilifeform: rather than some kid and ratty old instruments from us army
mircea_popescu: no, it doesn't. if you try, you gotta try.
asciilifeform: iirc, it was an even bet whether the effect - if real - is even large enough to measure with current instrumentation at all
mircea_popescu: check it out, the web2.0 is being useful :
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mircea_popescu: i hope you're changing the world, schmuckos!
gabriel_laddel: iirc, it was an even bet whether the effect - if real - is even large enough to measure with current instrumentation at all << this makes a great deal of sense
mircea_popescu: this can't be a rationale not to try.
asciilifeform: basically he insisted that a negative result must come from one of the two eotvos torsion balances
gabriel_laddel: he isn't giving up, as far as I know, but biding his time
asciilifeform: as i gather, he's engaged in a contest of who-dies-first with adelberger
mircea_popescu: "biding his time" ?
asciilifeform: see above
mircea_popescu: suppose i go make the measurement myself ?
mircea_popescu: not like it's tied to his forehead.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i confess, i almost decided to
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how would i learn to play footsie if not via a wikihow article?
asciilifeform: might do it still
asciilifeform: if ever get out of here alive
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the opposition lie through their teeth at every given moment, you don't want to give them anything to work with
mircea_popescu: this is science not politics, what's biding your time do.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel this is not how it works.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: did you read the stackoverflow post linked above?
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mircea_popescu: i confess i did not. why would it matter ?
mircea_popescu: science has no opposition.
gabriel_laddel: lemme finish making this burrito and I'll write up something on the game being played
mircea_popescu: my empanadas are made already.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller makes you wonder how children were made before they invented shoes.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I thought you know storks and stuff...
asciilifeform: << pet critter holding my [6.6]chiralane.
asciilifeform: from those das
asciilifeform: (whazzat? << original paper, schwartz & petitjean - they co-invented it)
asciilifeform: phun phact, it broke the definition of 'chirality' taught in schoolbooks
asciilifeform: had 'handedness' but no 'chiral centers' - that is, carbon atoms that are topologically 'key'
asciilifeform: that is, each carbon has -exactly the same thing- on all four bonds
mircea_popescu: what's in the middle, sulphur ?
asciilifeform: well, outer h'es not shown
asciilifeform: (as they typically aren't on a model)
mircea_popescu: but the big ball in teh centre
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