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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00576359 = 0.5764 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07699998 = 0.616 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4406 @ 0.00082589 = 3.6389 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00083033 = 7.473 BTC [+]
ozbot: Don't panic, but that public Wi-Fi is coming from ... inside your house -
mod6: ``im fine with it'' << lol derp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00082764 = 5.0486 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59990997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59990989 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0008256 = 8.5862 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1944 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1944 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.000825 = 9.5288 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1296 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1296 BTC [-] {2}
pennies: ;-;
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03299999 = 0.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.589 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 998 @ 0.00082764 = 0.826 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57003008 BTC [-]
MisterE: dammit losing money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 996 @ 0.00018 = 0.1793 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 198 @ 0.00479999 = 0.9504 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6318 @ 0.00083033 = 5.246 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: MisterE: In what?
MisterE: fucking nmc
MisterE: had no business in there
MisterE: got greedyyesterday
MisterE: I'm still in the black but...
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Has NMC had any momentum after 2011?
MisterE: Blockchain's news was disappointing
MisterE: yea it did yesterday
BingoBoingo: What news?
MisterE: they are an exchange now
MisterE: annouced and pre-hyped on bloomberg
MisterE: yea
BingoBoingo: Linx plox?
MisterE: so market shat after that dud
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00082758 = 11.1723 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: benkay
MisterE: dunno wtf people were expecting... Magic The Gathering cards for everyone who had BTC in Gox...
BingoBoingo: ;;eauth BingoBoingo
gribble: Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from
MisterE: ;;eauth MisterE
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BingoBoingo: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:6708d41118170ae49785e8fc104616a172d609f0329a1f092a0271aa
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Do you want to try something riskier?
MisterE: lol
MisterE: I didnt say no
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Actual returns might be possible.
theviper: Bro., DO you even trade?
BingoBoingo: MisterE: If we can figure out how to make something like honest
MisterE: like day trade?
MisterE: not usually
MisterE: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1bd83fecf4cf9084af386187aa25a12b17cd81f5462d260bd259082e
gribble: You are now authenticated for user MisterE with key C97817F2EE7504A3
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Like staking sports betting, Similar to how poker is staked. The challenge is doing it in a way that the staked party can't fake the results into an honest looking loss.
BingoBoingo: And finding venues to bet on.
MisterE: what BTC really needs is a derivatives market
MisterE: sounds like a major security hassle tbh
MisterE: but I'll read the log give me a few
MisterE: ll :p
BingoBoingo: MisterE: No hassles so much as challenges
BingoBoingo: The challenge in BTC right now is that the only instrument which has really sustained honest loses is the MPOE bond
BingoBoingo: That example I linked in the logs is poorly structured, and in sports betting the actual likely best case is a 30%loss.
BingoBoingo: Poor opportunity.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.0048 = 1.1472 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;rate artifexd_ 1 ATC trade
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate artifexd 1 atc trade
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate mircea_popescu 6 Rating upgraded for continued excellence in Bitcoin ventures
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 6.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate benkay 2 Good at things he does
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user benkay has changed from 1 to 2.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 The Real Altcoin's Mother
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate kakobrekla 5 Superest Superservant
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 5.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate paraipan 0
gribble: Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.
BingoBoingo: ;;unrate paraipan
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for paraipan.
BingoBoingo: ;;unrate thebutterzone
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for thebutterzone.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate thebutterzone 1 sells things
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thebutterzone has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00463034 = 0.2825 BTC [-] {2}
dub: ;;rate BingoBoingo -1 suspected spammer
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate dub 1 Not stinky
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dub has been recorded.
jurov smells BigoBoingo
jurov: aww... booze
BingoBoingo: jurov: I dun smell too good right nao
BingoBoingo: I drank vodka and ate a half wheel of Maytag Blue cheese.
BingoBoingo: Imma be lucky if my farts don't kill me before I wake up tomorrow afternoon
jurov: don't fart near open fire
BingoBoingo: I'll try not to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00083029 = 4.7327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00083052 = 5.4814 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00463034 = 0.551 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.0008302 = 8.2605 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2060 @ 0.00083007 = 1.7099 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4840 @ 0.00082811 = 4.0081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00082808 = 3.4365 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00082747 = 8.5229 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3293 @ 0.0008266 = 2.722 BTC [-]
adrrrr: #bitcoin Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0429998 = 0.258 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2360 @ 0.00082648 = 1.9505 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00479975 = 0.3696 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.0047 = 0.4982 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.0008948 = 0.2684 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0008306 = 4.7344 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59449498 = 1.189 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498997 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00479985 = 0.2928 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07550007 = 0.3775 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07500017 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 54 @ 0.00298018 = 0.1609 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07237016 = 0.579 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07211225 = 0.1442 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0720415 = 0.2161 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5799 @ 0.00082811 = 4.8022 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.13361787 = 0.2672 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it will resolve as yes presently. is henceforth banned as a source on bitbet.
mircea_popescu: sorry, sanity. i tried.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00479989 = 0.2688 BTC [+] {2}
punkman1: oh MazaCoin is 5th in volume now,
punkman1: and here is aurora for spain,
mircea_popescu: by now you can just edit the page, write random numbers. just as reflective of reality.
punkman1: pretty much
mircea_popescu: they should probably relaunch as a wiki, "the fake mkt cap numbers anyone can edit"
punkman1: there's like 3 dozen altcoin "exchanges" ready to add any random scamcoin
mircea_popescu: we need price signal, this is ridiculous
mircea_popescu: i mean, intellectually ridiculous. back in 2011 bruce wagner's antics made bitcoin easy to dismiss as "that cp ring"
mircea_popescu: now this bullshit makes bitcoin easy to dismiss as "indian highschool tomfoolery"
punkman1: "mine MinerTokens, rent more mining power to mine more MinerTokens to rent more mining power to mine more MinerTokens..... You can see where I'm going with this."
punkman1: surprised there's not a dozen of these already
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00089498 = 0.179 BTC [+]
punkman1: "Our minerrigs will be avaible for rent from launch. A total of 1.6 Gh scrypt will be rentet out for 50,000 MTK/Mh/day. When your total rent pass 1000 Mh you will be the legal owner of a 5Mh rig. You can then chose to continue let us host it and get 80% of the rentalprofit or you can get it shipped to your door"
mircea_popescu: which one is this ?
punkman1: the MinerTokens
mircea_popescu: wait, literally minertokens ?
punkman1: you pay in minertokens to rent minertoken mining rigs
ozbot: [ANN][COM] COMRADE - New Innovative MinerStakeholder Concept - Profit for People
punkman1: these guys want 0.1btc to let you mine or something
punkman1: "-StakeHolder-Miners pay a fee of 0.1BTC to register. Miner-Stake holders who pay the fee for early mining access will be known as THE GENERALS"
punkman1: "COMRADE crypto movement designed to replicate the economic tactics used by the Comrade leaders of the USSR to rise the Soviet Union from the Ashes to what become the most powerful nation in the world (at the time)."
mircea_popescu: you're kidding me right ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00082983 = 11.2027 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697949 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16327 @ 0.00082936 = 13.541 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i had bet yes on the areolacoin bet btw
ThickAsThieves: i saw no other outcome
ThickAsThieves: comrade coin says "COMMUNIST" on it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697537 = 0.154 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0008291 = 7.0059 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.0046 = 9.2 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2750 @ 0.00452665 = 12.4483 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00450334 = 4.5033 BTC [-] {11}
punkman1: ThickAsThieves: maybe ATC needs some dice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00082687 = 7.6485 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697229 = 0.1539 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: know someone reputable to make/run it?
cazalla: at what point do these alts collapse under their own weight?
dub: when the one true altcoin rises to engulf them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697227 = 0.1539 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0057499 = 0.1092 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3329 @ 0.00082582 = 2.7492 BTC [-]
ozbot: MuCoWa - A MultiCoinWallet to your service - Update now: 1.3.0 Quark added
punkman1: "Since the code is obfuscated, would it be possible to monitor the web traffic going out from the wallet to make sure it never sends private keys anywhere?"
mircea_popescu: cazalla about 18 weeks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00083063 = 4.8177 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ya well, so good for you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00451 = 0.1804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.000831 = 12.3404 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: soo apparently the niagara has frozxen over
ozbot: Niagara Falls comes to frozen halt AGAIN as subfreezing temperatures freeze water | Mail Online
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.0045 = 0.9855 BTC [-] {4}
chetty: 23% thought an "MP3" was a "Star Wars" robot
chetty: 42% said they believed a "motherboard" was "the deck of a cruise ship"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6442 @ 0.00082552 = 5.318 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1022 @ 0.00018777 = 0.1919 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.0445 = 0.1335 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00082817 = 8.3645 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16202 @ 0.00082505 = 13.3675 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09199995 = 0.368 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00464998 = 0.3487 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1502 @ 0.00018799 = 0.2824 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]
chetty: The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online.
asciilifeform: chetty: this is not news to me
chetty: well the tape is news :P
mircea_popescu: the tape is news.
asciilifeform: yes, it is.
asciilifeform: (but not in the u.s. media, unsurprisingly.)
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: nsa shills.
asciilifeform: 'SSL is one of very few crypto systems that’s in daily usage by hundreds of millions of people. Remarkably, it seems that governments have not compromised the infrastructure.'
asciilifeform: trololol
mircea_popescu: well yeah, most governments haven't.
asciilifeform: 'Usability studies have shown nobody outside of the tiny security community understands the web of trust or how to use it.'
mircea_popescu: euros because they're too lazy to do it, and prefer to suckle on the us drip,
mircea_popescu: and north korea because too stupid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :D chump selection techniques.
asciilifeform: 'It’s not clear how you would build a secure way to initialise the Trezor, as you’d need to use an untrusted computer to present trusted keys into the device. A virus (MITM) could intercept and rewrite the keys as they were being loaded into the device. Unless you had key fingerprints written down on paper, it’d be impossible to notice a mismatch. Pre-agreed root certs installed at the factory solve this
asciilifeform: problem.'
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: there are 2 sorts of people in this world, and they're made apparent by the reaction to the statement "few understand this"
asciilifeform: this is just too good
mircea_popescu: type 1 is no longer interested. type 2 is now very interested.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8687 @ 0.00082483 = 7.1653 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: maybe one/both of you should write a rebuttal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.0008246 = 10.225 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: before he takes the bitcoin jesus torch
asciilifeform: why now and not after
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4463 @ 0.00082483 = 3.6812 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: parachutes?
asciilifeform: btc jizzus is no catastrophe
mircea_popescu: who are you quoting anyway
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> [15:03:49] this is just too good // it is
ThickAsThieves: "Anyone can buy or sell the currency, but the Lakota are keeping half of it in reserve in order to prevent the wild speculation that has caused Bitcoin such price volatility. ... After an hour of questions, Harris thanked the small crowd and was promptly accosted by a tall man and a woman in red who wanted to buy some MazaCoin, which Harris was selling for 10 cents apiece. The two
ThickAsThieves: trailed him around the room as he hunted for a printer so he could issue the digital currency on paper. "
ThickAsThieves: "We’ve gone through 100 years of imposed poverty. That’s the fight we’re having"
asciilifeform: the traditional de-colonialization move from imposed to... self-imposed
ThickAsThieves: "CIA officers allegedly hacked into the US Senate Intelligence Committee's computers to find out what the oversight committee had found out about its controversial detention and treatment of terror suspects.‬"
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, thanks for the link
Apocalyptic: this Hearn is a gold mine
mike_c: "being a CA involves tedious, mind-numbingly repetitive yet security critical work that unpaid volunteers are ill equipped to do well. " has he ever gone through the process of getting a SSL cert?? they don't do shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2930 @ 0.00082724 = 2.4238 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: they're experts at vacuuming $$$$$
mike_c: the bullshit per line in that article is astounding.
chetty: A Florida woman has gone head to head with a local judge who has declared her efforts to live off the grid illegal and in violation of local and international code ordinances.
ThickAsThieves: i dont even know what a SSL really does, nor am I a programmer, but I have successfully purchased and installed one on a system I advised the client was not really secure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10070 @ 0.0008262 = 8.3198 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: chetty: link ?
ThickAsThieves: it took like 5min
ozbot: Behold Arscoin, our own custom cryptocurrency | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: chetty: surprised ?
ThickAsThieves: asscoins heh
ThickAsThieves: buyer of
ThickAsThieves: he looks like he's 17
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 497 @ 0.0045 = 2.2365 BTC [-] {7}
chetty: asciilifeform: nope it was inevitable really
ThickAsThieves: "I asked my wife what she would trade for 5,000 Arscoins. Her answer: “A kiss?” Boom! A market had been created." lol
asciilifeform: chetty: beautifully described in 'The Art of Not Being Governed', J. C. Scott
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lmao hearn.
Apocalyptic: "The user experience must be incredibly simple", "The main justification for this design choice is usability. In the same way that security cannot be bolted on at the last minute, the reverse also holds — you can’t bolt usability on to a secure system that was designed without human beings in mind"
mircea_popescu: mike_c he's just trying to misrepresent himself into relevancy
Apocalyptic: yeah don't focus on how shit has to be done, focus on the people fss !
mircea_popescu: pretty much the foundation halmark. it's due to the failure modes of the ycombinated mind.
mircea_popescu: wait i wrote that ?!
asciilifeform: 'a secure system that was designed without human beings in mind'
asciilifeform only designs for fellow Orcs
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, no the quotes are from Hearn
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i was shocked at the trilema link
mircea_popescu: i totally forgot i wrote that article.
mircea_popescu: i write too much ;/
mircea_popescu: nice article.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00082858 = 5.5929 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: original:
Apocalyptic: interesting
r3wt: ;;bcauth r3wt
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7abdae0508ae0bf19ba9ddebfc0b68c090c3f35af9f2e9230dd4db47
r3wt: greetings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00082967 = 3.775 BTC [+]
r3wt: hello super hackers
r3wt: i seek knowledge of prepared queries in php
r3wt: because i am not worthy
r3wt: and so i fail
chetty: Former IRS official Lois Lerner pleading the Fifth right now. <<< again
Apocalyptic: <r3wt> i seek knowledge of prepared queries in php // what happened to the LUA version ?
ozbot: New Side Channel Attack That Can Recover Private Keys : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: by guess who
asciilifeform: cache diddling is old hat.
ThickAsThieves: by guess what
r3wt: lua version is here
asciilifeform: i don't see a Hearn in that paper
ThickAsThieves: sorry, he's the one sharing it
r3wt: still working on the php version though as it could be along time until the lua version is actually ready for production.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.0008314 = 3.7829 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol r3wt
r3wt: anyone wanna buy some fee shares? we're broke and need some more "development money". and by development money, i mean money to pay ourselves and buy more shit.
Mats_cd03: what are you building
mircea_popescu: and what are fee shares
r3wt: same thing we've been building.
Mats_cd03: lua based exchange?
ozbot: OpenEx
punkman1: you share the fees of running the exchange
r3wt: started as php, now moving to lua
Apocalyptic: r3wt, you should IPO on MPex
r3wt: isn't that a scam?
Mats_cd03: did you use bootstrap for the frontend
r3wt: lol no, thats all from scratch
r3wt: ive never used bootstrap
r3wt: bootstrap is for the design challenged
Apocalyptic: <Apocalyptic> r3wt, you should IPO on MPex
Apocalyptic: <r3wt> isn't that a scam? // kako you need to bash this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
r3wt: how does one "IPO on MPEX" and what are the benefits of doing so?
punkman1: r3wt: so are you currently smashing strings together to make SQL?
Mats_cd03: same as a usual IPO. raise virtual buttcoins
r3wt: unfortunately yes. that's why i'm here. i know mircea_popescu probably knows how to teach me to do it the right way
jcpham: mircea_popescu absolutely loves to teach people
jcpham: arguable one of his finest talests and favorite past-times
jcpham: *talents
Apocalyptic: yeah he does
Apocalyptic: though after you called his thing a scam not sure he will be most pleased and willing
jcpham: if i send monies will you thern reinvest my monies in riskier ventures
r3wt: Apocalyptic, i was talking about his securities exchange. i'm talking about the negative stigma associated with bitcoin ipo's
r3wt: wasn't**
Apocalyptic: r3wt, how is it worse than actual shares ?
Diablo-D3: yeah, fuck bitcoin IPOs
Diablo-D3: its not worth the trouble
ThickAsThieves: mp can handle noobs calling mpex a scam
Diablo-D3: no legitimate investors
jcpham: unless D3 mining on nvidia
Diablo-D3: all trolls expecting 1000% profit
Diablo-D3: in a week
jcpham throws money at million dollar datacenter
r3wt fails
Apocalyptic: in the way you get a contract, shares are traded on an 3rd party platform hopefully better built and you got access to liquidity you don't have at your exchange ?
Diablo-D3: jcpham: Im just doing it myself now
Diablo-D3: so much easier
Apocalyptic: among other things
jcpham: i'm teasing but at least you got the reference
jcpham: cool beans
ThickAsThieves: no one will accept an OpenEx IPO right now, other than CryptoStocks
ThickAsThieves: but then you'll be rubbing elbows with every scam of the week
r3wt: fuck that
r3wt: would it be wise to sell a portion of my business for capital?
r3wt: we have a few offers, none of them very good but i'm examining my options.
Diablo-D3: r3wt: dude
r3wt: i don't want to go back to hanging chickens at tyson
Diablo-D3: this is a fucking irc channel
Diablo-D3: and wtf is your business anyhow?
r3wt: this is an IRC channel? no fuckign way!
jcpham: tyson got bought by koch
Apocalyptic: r3wt, somehow since mcxnow came with the idea now it's seems to be a trend
r3wt: please never compare us to mcxnow
r3wt: we aren't here to scam, we just needed start up money because we are poor fucks\
jcpham: mcxnow is legit compared to whatever this is
r3wt: and look, we actually delivered some
jcpham: at this moment
r3wt: its not great yet i know, but we are working hard everyday
jcpham: you need traction not publicity
jcpham: an organic userbase
punkman1: r3wt: that doesn't look very responsible
Diablo-D3: r3wt: what the fuck is your company
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00083062 = 2.035 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: ill fund you if you have 7% profit month over month for a year
Mats_cd03: thats how investing works right
r3wt: any advice punkman1?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0045 = 0.225 BTC [-]
punkman1: r3wt: mysql_real_escape_string is deprecated, maybe suspend trading for a while
jcpham: need moar pipe
r3wt: i meant advice on how to make prepared statements, because i'm actually just a noob with a dream. no college education, just read a book about php
ThickAsThieves: <r3wt> its not great yet i know, but we are working hard everyday // who is "we"?
artifexd: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is not identified.
r3wt: but yeah, i can shut the exchange down at anytime
jcpham: that's the gox and others example
jcpham: whoopsie. halt trading
r3wt: done
jcpham: all btc lost
ThickAsThieves: r3wtm the problem is you are a noob voluntering to be responsible with people's money, which noobness, particularly of the programmer variety, is least qualified to do
r3wt: trading is closed for now, this is my goal for the day. learn to use prepared statements and replace them throughout the site.
ThickAsThieves: taking investors piles it on
r3wt: any advice?
r3wt: or maybe a link to a guide?
r3wt: fuck it, i guess like everything else in life i have to learn this on my own.
r3wt: no worries
r3wt: i have one question. is mysqli safe enough or should i go for the pdo extension?
jcpham: normally i get paid to pick stuff apart
artifexd: r3wt You're asking programming questions in a channel about investing. Stackoverflow would be a good place to find answers to the type of questions you're asking.
punkman1: has all the examples you need
r3wt: i'm banned from asking questions on stackoverflow
r3wt: i think
jcpham: wow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.0008314 = 4.5311 BTC [+]
artifexd: What's your so username?
Apocalyptic: jcpham, this gets better every line
jcpham backs away from the keyboard
ozbot: User r3wt - Stack Overflow
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust r3wt
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: well i mean in principle, but gotta build up first.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does one get banned on stack overflow
r3wt: i'm not banned, just banned from askign questions. look at the first two questions i asked and it should be all you need to know
r3wt shuns himself in the corner for 10 minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9096 @ 0.00083159 = 7.5641 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4654 @ 0.00083195 = 3.8719 BTC [+]
ozbot: What can I do when getting "We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account"? - Meta
jcpham: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jcpham to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 25 via 23 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8981 @ 0.00083 = 7.4542 BTC [-] {2}
jcpham: sometimes i look at these trust graphs and ratings and i see emotion
mircea_popescu: sveet love an' devotion
jcpham: hi nubbs
ozbot: Worst music video ever - YouTube
nubbins`: came across this ^ last night
nubbins`: actually a pretty rad song
nubbins`: music video sucks tho ;(
jcpham: is it better than walls fall out
nubbins`: probably
nubbins`: it's just WAITING to be covered
jcpham: without the video, if i only heard it I would think it sucked less than i now think
jcpham: because i saw the video
ozbot: Worst music video ever - YouTube
jcpham: nope
jcpham: not that one clipboard
r3wt: damnit to hell
ozbot: Walls Fall Out - OFFICIAL - YouTube
nubbins`: i was about halfway through my first viewing before i stopped laughing at the video and realized the song was awesome ;(
jcpham: that one clipboard, that one.
nubbins`: ooo, sign in to confirm my age!
jcpham: mmmmhmmmmm
nubbins`: AAAAAH
nubbins`: that was a dirty trick D;
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00449999 = 0.108 BTC [-]
jcpham: i thought we were talking about the worst music videos ever
jcpham: i had a suggestion for that topic
nubbins`: i was just sharing a cool song D:
jcpham: yeah me too!
nubbins`: DDDDDDDDDD:
mircea_popescu: Someone stupid will ask me this: "then why doesn't Medicaid just offer a billing code for "need three evaluations, but likely no diagnosis?" Because if Fox News got wind that Obama was paying for black people to get "no diagnosis" they'd blow up an abortion clinic. Paying for "temper tantrums" is just the right amount of enraging, TV and internet enraging, no violence will occur. "Isn't this why we need universal he
mircea_popescu: althcare?" Well, lieutenant, pronounced like I'm a British naval commander, if we had a system of healthcare in which doctors were paid the exact same regardless of diagnosis or severity, then there'd be little attention paid to "correct" diagnosis, all of our epidemiological data would be totally invalid, and the number one drug in America would be Xanax. "Wait, isn't that the situation now?" Huh, nailed it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more tlp ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00082967 = 1.6179 BTC [-]
ozbot: The Doomsday Cult of Bitcoin -- Daily Intelligencer
mircea_popescu: check out this derp
Apocalyptic: my derp counter has overflown with Hearn today, i'll pass
mircea_popescu: "Partly this is because lawmakers and regulators, spooked by early hype and the Mt. Gox disaster, are never going to afford Bitcoin services the kind of autonomy they'd need in order to flourish. Partly it's because there are conceptual problems with the Bitcoin architecture itself. And partly it's because Bitcoin's anarchic roots are too fringe to draw in the masses. In the mind of the average American, the currency i
mircea_popescu: s now synonymous with theft, drugs, and techno-wizardry. These impressions do not a global currency make."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00082792 = 5.7954 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: for the record, dear regulators : it comes out of your skin, either way.
mircea_popescu: make it pleasant on yourself or not, lube up or not, whatever suits
mircea_popescu: but the cock is going in.
nubbins`: techno-wizardry
mircea_popescu: imagine, you know ?
mircea_popescu: i mean this is total libertard school of denial. it just so happens that theft, drugs and techno-wizardry is the EXACT recipe of mainstream worship
nubbins`: that's about what i had in mind
mircea_popescu: this guy is basically saying that bitcoin is a distilate of all rappers, all wall street and all silicon valley
mircea_popescu: and then pretending like this is a bad thing.
Mats_cd03: r3wt, i would recommend reading several books about secure coding and learn how to use an auditing tool like burp
r3wt: i decided i'd just hire a professional and try to learn from whatever example he sets
nubbins`: lel i can hear pascale humming that jan terri song from downstairs
Mats_cd03: going from php to lua is an odd choice and doesnt inspire anyone with confidence in your ability to secure their funds
Mats_cd03: security requires design and architecture, so maybe you should read books instead of writing code at this stage
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03, r3wt: to learn 'secure code', spend a few years as a lowly 0day hunter
Mats_cd03: i wouldnt recommend that
r3wt: i am taking myself out of the equation for good of the project
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00449999 = 0.45 BTC [-] {3}
Mats_cd03: that journey is unforgiving and uneducational if youre not clever or connected to people better than you at it
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: how to find if you're clever without trying
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574943 = 0.5749 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: reading CVE reports, studying 0days and proofs of concept, crackmes, compiler books, r/reverseengineering
Apocalyptic: I used to do a lot of crackmes back in the days
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: studying classic examples only takes you so far
asciilifeform: doesn't teach the process of how they come to exist
Apocalyptic: do as in solving and creating the challenges
Mats_cd03: thats what the foundational books are for
Mats_cd03: i advise building a serious knowledge base in one subset of sec before getting into anything else
r3wt: thanks for the advice Mats_cd03
deadweasel: what's everyone's take on the folks at ##security?
Mats_cd03: dumb
asciilifeform: can't say, never saw.
Mats_cd03: i lurk there and i rarely see any good conversation
r3wt: bullshitters
deadweasel: i agree on all counts, but it's not to say you can't comb the logs for some direction.
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 662.37, vol: 17860.37014311 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 639.899, vol: 16064.3695 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 661.4999, vol: 14587.05392498 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 674.0, vol: 46.86848963 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 671.0, vol: 10.01218267 | Volume-weighted last average: 654.689264159
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00082989 = 6.8051 BTC [+] {2}
deadweasel: then again, i'm not 'savvy'
nubbins`: savvy and sapient share a root
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.004401 = 0.7482 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14481 @ 0.00082817 = 11.9927 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00440011 = 0.2288 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.13311598 = 1.198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00439891 = 0.3255 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu So has the #ImpotentAlliance invaded the Ukraine Soviet Republic yet or we still talkin' ?
mircea_popescu: Bit Power @Mircea_Popescu Still talkin' -- Russia threatens to confiscate U.S. assets....
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu Pity the US wasn't keeping it all in #Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: also, i'm with Mats_cd03. asciilifeform's ideas are tailored for the 1%. nttawwt, but kind-of dangerous if you're not in.
Mats_cd03: im all for the beauty of discovery, hacking, and all that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read some old posts this morning. you are using 'crystal space' - written by the sadly famous taaki ? this does not bother you ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the same sense using bitcoin "written" by the sadly famous taaki doesn't bother me.
Apocalyptic: "<QuantumQrack> No, I'm saying the true leaders have massive power. But in a cryptocurrcency wold....the mass has the power."
Mats_cd03: many people need structured learning to progress further
asciilifeform: i guess i'm just terrible at measuring which miscreants are dumb enough to be harmless
mircea_popescu: adding to that : generally at the fruit stand, the peaches which have all the bugs swarming in are the best.
asciilifeform: this also works at the turd stand
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic so let the mass think it has power, and then get indignant whenever mpoe-pr shows up.
Apocalyptic: sounds like a plan
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform true, true
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07260022 = 0.726 BTC [-] {8}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 1% & comsec - one needn't be a historic champion to learn basic things
asciilifeform: i keep trying to wake people up to this fact
mircea_popescu: yeah, they would.
asciilifeform: usually to no avail
mircea_popescu: that's the thing. basic things are only accessible to the very very elite.
mircea_popescu: for instance, tell me what is a number ?
asciilifeform wakes up herr peano's zombie
mircea_popescu: compare basic and lisp. there is NOTHING basic about any one basic instruction
mircea_popescu: they're all complex porrige of many things.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, explain something truely basic, like say lambda, to the basic crowd.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57654522 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: any child who played 'mad libs' (or whatever it's called on the other side of the atlantic today) can understand 'lambda'
mircea_popescu: but thats quite besides the point
mircea_popescu: because most children' maturation requires they become socially inserted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00449953 = 0.3375 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: lol wordpress
mircea_popescu: which requires them acquire proficiency in a number of porriges
mircea_popescu: by the time which is done... well... good luck.
mircea_popescu: "These flaws were discovered passively using the information which was returned by the web server following a normal request. I have not exploited any of the holes found."
mircea_popescu: how you know the author lives in a fascist state.
ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 1245 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.7517% in 8d 7h 16m 20s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00449301 = 0.1168 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: sometimes simple crap is actually... simple
asciilifeform: what can be more straightforward than 'SKI combinator' calculus ?
asciilifeform: or here's a fun variation on the theme:
ozbot: Iota and Jot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00449879 = 0.3374 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4829 @ 0.00082587 = 3.9881 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07698379 = 0.3849 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.08960102 = 0.6272 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: altcoin is going to da moon too I heard
Apocalyptic: benkay, he left
benkay: ;;later tell r3wt: read this for some perspective on your choices:
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: thanks, Apocalyptic
ozbot: Implosion of Bitcoin Exchange Spawns Mutant Digital Currency | Wired Enterprise |
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: what have i done
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah they got bailed in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see ? the real nsa is always listening.
mircea_popescu: this is an ancient greek idea. careful what you say for the gods may be short of inspiration
asciilifeform bows in respect to my happy invisible friends
ThickAsThieves: "Using a technology called Mastercoin, the Goxcoin people would mint a brand new digital currency"
ThickAsThieves: The derp compounds
asciilifeform: chetty: wake me up for the beheading vid.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mastercoin is a technology ?
mircea_popescu: chetty obviously. they had to be pretty fucking stupid to not realise that "independent" military has no problem doing it.
chetty: will do asciilifeform, probably a couple days, must draw out the drama
mircea_popescu: but no, cheeky un, "we are bureaucrats so we matter"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they ain't beheading them, just keeping them on ice for a few weeks.
mircea_popescu: "ty for having improved our negotiation position"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.40070057 BTC to 3`643 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: damn, there was, going ''...
asciilifeform: * there i was
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18476 @ 0.00082909 = 15.3183 BTC [+] {2}
deadweasel: SomeSubjectiveSomeObjective . 3 hours ago
deadweasel: I endorse this, and I've already started development on Goxcoincoin, set to go live when Goxcoin is hacked into bankruptcy. Goxcoincoin will allow people to buy interests in Goxcoin assets.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel tell him it's supposed to be goxgoxcoin
mircea_popescu: not goxcoincoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: mastergoxcoin?
chetty: eeww just the name makes me queasy
mircea_popescu: aurogoxmasternextripple
mircea_popescu: should be good enough
ThickAsThieves: areolanipples
ThickAsThieves: i'm having a Java install feedback loop :(
chetty: Three third-grade students at a Sonora elementary school were busted for smoking pot in the school’s bathroom last week.
chetty: you touch Java?
ThickAsThieves: only for one thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00083204 = 9.8181 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: which is now telling me i need to update, after every update
mircea_popescu: update the updater
ThickAsThieves: don't have enough updateupdatecoins
ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3072 @ 0.00082509 = 2.5347 BTC [-]
benkay: poor mods
benkay: poor -pr
mike_c: so now it depends on definition of "ends up", cuz aurora is tanking.
benkay: nah it resolved
mike_c: ah
benkay: mp caved on the coin v scam situation
benkay: hey kakobrekla mircea_popescu when do we see costs of mods in bitbet statements?
mike_c: it's tough being judge & jury. not a job I envy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0890005 = 0.356 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay prolly never.
benkay: mircea_popescu why is that?
mircea_popescu: benkay roughly for the same reason tyhe cost of mp as ceo doesn't show in s.mpoe's books
ThickAsThieves: Since Feb 28, 2013 until Feb 26, 2014, ASICMiner has paid out over the past year:
ThickAsThieves: Total: 220,909.62 BTC
ThickAsThieves: Per Share: 0.6135/Share
ThickAsThieves: Average Weekly Payout: 0.0118/Share
BingoBoingo: So since Arscoin is Webwallet only... How long until CondeNast goes
benkay: mircea_popescu the mods are paid in shares, then? the mods are you and kakobrekla then?
ThickAsThieves: Today is also my official first day not being tied to AM in any way anymore
ThickAsThieves does a little dance.
mircea_popescu: benkay nenver underestimate the advantage of a harem of slaves.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00449765 = 0.2249 BTC [-]
nubbins`: tat, are congratulations appropriate?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC
mircea_popescu: well it's not bad, overal it paid in dividends way more than it originally cost
mircea_popescu: so it's one of the few happy stories in btcland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00083055 = 5.6062 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: too bad btcland had to drive it up to 5.5btc
mircea_popescu: btcland wanted to show mp oneup
mircea_popescu: << check out latest bets
mircea_popescu: NO NO NO NO NO
mircea_popescu: bitbet denial
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09099999 = 0.182 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: hehe mostly me
ThickAsThieves: letting it ride
mircea_popescu: On October 26, 2005, [drug rep] Mr. Caronia went to Dr. Charno's office. He had never met Dr. Charno before, nor had any previous contact with him but for the phone calls from Dr. Charno seeking a promotional speech. During the meeting, Dr. Charno repeatedly asked Mr. Caronia off-label questions and asked to meet Dr. Gleason [a speaker for the company.]
mircea_popescu: Dr. Gleason eventually came, and, in the presence of Caronia, had a discussion with Dr. Charno about off-label uses for Xyrem (insomnia, restless legs, etc). Is Caronia responsible? Should he have stopped Gleason? The court said yes, and convicted him.
mircea_popescu: The trick was, Dr. Charno was actually a government informant. That's odd. And I have never heard of a doctor who requested a promotional speech. He cold called a rep he had never met and asked to meet him to discuss a drug he had never prescribed?
mircea_popescu: The third witness presented by the United States Government was the confidential informant, Dr. Steven Charno. After pleading guilty to medical insurance fraud stemming from his criminal act of filing fraudulent medical insurance bills in the amount of $821,000.00, Dr. Charno cooperated with the United States Government against Alfred Caronia.
mircea_popescu: I thought I was reading the script for a bad cop movie. Did the government use a plea agreement to force Charno to help the government capture drug reps that he had never even met?
mircea_popescu: check that shit out lmao
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the future use of all the two bit scammers i nthe history of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: so i guess... don't deal with known scammers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10597 @ 0.00083248 = 8.8218 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2778 @ 0.00083055 = 2.3073 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.091 = 0.273 BTC [+]
ozbot: Overstock CEO Expects Bitcoin Derivatives - TheStreet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00566001 = 0.1132 BTC [-]
lalusch: Would anyone be so kind and give me a link to information on the Scharmbeck scam? lost track of this whole thing about a month ago
mircea_popescu: lalusch which one is that ?
chetty: haha so many scams. so little time
lalusch: sbfs on cryptostocks?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol derp.
mircea_popescu: lalusch possibly nobody here keeping track of individual cryptostocks scams
mircea_popescu: the entire thing just melds into one big scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00082494 = 8.5381 BTC [-] {2}
lalusch: yes, thats what i'm feeling too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
lalusch: anyone got information on when CBTC will pay dividends for february
mike_c: ;;last seen kakobrekla
gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8322 @ 0.00082975 = 6.9052 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lalusch no. they do not publish either reports or any sort of sensible anything.
mike_c: ;;seen kakobrekla
gribble: kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 1 second ago: <kakobrekla> mhm
lalusch: but actually this makes them even more credible for me
Apocalyptic: huh how so ?
deadweasel: i can't see how, pls explain, lalusch.
lalusch: giving the exact dat of dividend payment could make the stocks price crash 2 minutes after div payment as just 1 bigger player has to sell then, on such a low volume
lalusch: get what i mean?
lalusch: sry for english
mike_c: no reason for it to "crash" more than the dividend payment.
ThickAsThieves: dividends mean everything!
ThickAsThieves: Beth Jacob, who has served as Target's chief information officer and executive vice president of technology services since 2008, is vacating both positions and departing the company immediately. According to CEO Gregg Steinhafel, the retailer has already launched a search for an interim CIO to help steer Target through a major security overhaul.
lalusch: yea they do
ThickAsThieves: Target info/sec is headless!
lalusch: nobody is going long term in cryptobiz
deadweasel: lalusch: how do you mean their bitcointalk post makes them more credible?
mircea_popescu: lalusch that's nonsense, really.
mike_c: guy i know who works in it security consulting says he is drowning in work b/c of target.
ThickAsThieves: well that's forumite logic
mircea_popescu: all mpex companies have their div dates announced as per contract, in the past two years there has been exactly 0 of the stuff you talk about.
ThickAsThieves: more posts, more trust
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.0044003 = 0.4444 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: the more numbers included in posts, more trust
lalusch: deadweasel, must have gotten me wrong. I did not mean the bitcointalk thread
ThickAsThieves: (numbers do not have to represent reality, or be good)
lalusch: i meant the fact that they dont announce the exact date for dividend payment
mircea_popescu: methinks ThickAsThieves is a little jaded these days
chetty: aren't 'regular' stocks div dates legally required to be published?
mircea_popescu: lalusch yeah but still there should be a "no later than 5th of the month" or something
ThickAsThieves: well look where i spend my time!
deadweasel: it can't be helped
lalusch: i totally agree
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i hear this is how people end up with eating disorders
ThickAsThieves: i could stand to lose a few
mircea_popescu: mike_c didn't they recently lose a db ?
mike_c: just lost a little personal data on 110 million customers.
mike_c: basically everyone in the US got issued new credit cards after that one.
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Expendable; Or, And Now The Pharma Pendulum Swings Back The Other Way
mircea_popescu: this is a fucking epic article.
mircea_popescu: wanna understand why the finance people keep falling out of windows ?
mircea_popescu: there's the blueprint.
mircea_popescu: mike_c finding a way to paper over the fact that they STILL do not wish to use security is going to take some effort.
mike_c: just hire a new CIO! chopping a couple heads fixes everything.
asciilifeform: they STILL do not wish to use security << re: Target ?
chetty: more good reasons to avoid plastic fiats
asciilifeform: there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything.
nubbins`: lel, so we outsourced some printing to this company in california. 14% of the order is missing when it arrives -- no explanation, no "we'll get the rest sent out soon", just numbers changed with a pen on the packing slip. i emailed company, they say "oh sorry -- we'll get the rest to you by march 24"
asciilifeform: 'identity theft' is only possible because they wish it to be.
nubbins`: almost a month late
nubbins`: when i inquired about a partial refund, they offer me $20
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes
nubbins`: not the $113.50 that the missing tanks cost
nubbins`: a fucking jackson.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so sue.
asciilifeform: quite a few people don't seem to understand the implications
nubbins`: i'm giving them one more chance before i issue a chargeback
asciilifeform: it isn't just the fact that money lenders like that, though i refuse to borrow a million, some other fellow can swipe my driver's license and do it for me
jcpham: woohoo chargeback!. talk with your monies
asciilifeform: it's also the fact that the alternative is a mercilessly-cryptographic concept of identity
asciilifeform: as depicted in 'Shall Be Delivered'
nubbins`: already talking with my voice, too -- just blasted them on one of the bigger t-shirt printing forums
asciilifeform: where if someone has your key, / they are now legally you /
nubbins`: generally fulfillment companies have a forum presence, will be interesting to see if they respond there
deadweasel: nubbins`: after you chargeback, cancel the card and link them to your posts.
asciilifeform: * musical interlude * - 2047: mr. barack hussein IV was six foot tall at the time of his coronation, but lost his key - inscribed on a napkin - and unfortunately / bifurcated / two years later. he is now five foot eight, half-chinese, with a red beard.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6634 @ 0.00083227 = 5.5213 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'mandatory gladiatorial combat following bifurcation was introduced in .... due to ...'
asciilifeform: 'there were five contending forks; two boys clutching old-fashioned xerox copies and ...'
asciilifeform: * end of musical interlude *
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything. <<< nod
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Are they in the WoT?
nubbins`: no reason why my credit card number can't be a "master key" and i just generate one-time-use cc numbers for purchases
nubbins`: other than the fact that the current system favours the issuers
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you know the reason
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if you refuse to buy a Boeing, some other fellow gets to, in your name
nubbins`: cost of fraud detection / prevention > cost of chargebacks
asciilifeform: then go and prove that you didn't
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: unfortunately, i'm the only t-shirt provider in the wot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chinese ppl can't have red beards.
asciilifeform: ahahaha china lost its national key
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asciilifeform: and an irish kid found it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what, and s.nsa is a trillion dollar company ?
mircea_popescu: and then obama has to ask mp's permission on irc to do shit ?
mircea_popescu: IMPOSSIBRU
nubbins` scrolls back in search of the bit he missed
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I run a billion dollar ATC hedge fund for a private client
asciilifeform: zimbabwe dollars?
BingoBoingo: Does the dollars origin really matter?
ozbot: Zimbabwe 100 Trillion Dollar Bank Note 2008 Uncirculated: Everything Else
mircea_popescu: the other zimbabwe
artifexd: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Did what he said he was going to do
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: "Welcome to the forum. MPOE is our most accomplished scumbag, a rumored child pornographer and a confirmed idiot. His business model is simple-minded: talk shit about everyone else to avoid scrutiny. Because he has no dignity or good breeding, he basically sells stock in himself, a sadistic, sexually confused Romanian Mafia reject. Anything he says can be disregarded, you won't miss anything valuable."
mircea_popescu: check that shit out yo!
asciilifeform: '... the judge then ruled that the death of a keyholder at the hands of his fork is to be considered 'assisted suicide.' when he finished belting out the last verse of Modified-Karatsuba Anthem, his secretary drew her Nagant... '
asciilifeform: (NYT, 2031)
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: from whence came that virtiol?
deadweasel: vitriol*
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, but it sounds like some pirate investment banker.
jcpham: if they really really knew gox was a shitshow 6 months ago...probably should've told someone
deadweasel: wow, that's ripe
BingoBoingo: Probably have to be a pirate investment banker to remember all of the slurs
jcpham: but i didn't bother going to the forum
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that was my logic.
asciilifeform: '... courtroom recording showed that the last verse of the multiplicand was, as witnesses had claimed, sung in unison by the beautiful young fork.'
benkay: asciilifeform have you been reading Pynchon lately or something?
asciilifeform: benkay: nope.
asciilifeform: just read 'shall be delivered' a year or so ago
asciilifeform: and now had occasion to remember.
benkay: he has good musical interludes.
benkay: you're approaching his degree of surreality in the musical numbers
ozbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet
benkay: oh, i'm familiar.
benkay: have you read Gravity's Rainbow?
asciilifeform: tried to once, and barfed
benkay: snob
asciilifeform: i even own a little book on SNOBOL. so clearly.
r3wt: ;;bcauth
gribble: (bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.
r3wt: ;;bcauth r3wt
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ea53a1cdfc650f1dad400d92a3cea88d4a1ac8960d422ac09a915b8c
asciilifeform: benkay: nothing surrealist or otherwise inaccessible sans-hallucinogens about the snippet above
asciilifeform: comparison with pynchon et al is unwarranted
asciilifeform: entirely logical premise, just like 'Delivered'
benkay: just the musical number.
asciilifeform: benkay: what, Modified Karatsuba Anthem?
asciilifeform: merely a way to multiply bignums using your 'language cortex', every child knows it
asciilifeform: (starting 2017, aha)
nubbins`: haven't read any pynchon
nubbins`: a friend did his thesis on the crying of lot 49
asciilifeform: me neither
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asciilifeform: see, people laugh, but i intend to make that universe happen.
asciilifeform: lessee who laughs then
asciilifeform: wonder what the author of 'delivered' would answer to that.
ozbot: Today I logged onto my computer and found none of my bitcoins were stolen. : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: "Much like Samson, asciilifeform had become the fork of the entire United States Supreme Court. Being of advanced age the Justices were no match for asciilifeform as he defeated each in success in the Singles combat described in the protocol for fork resolution."
nubbins`: lel, title says it all
BingoBoingo: The supreme court accepted no cases the following term after the court's decision that paper on ink is not an adequate signature.
mircea_popescu: new and improved scotus, post stan
mircea_popescu: (shirt means assent, no shirt dissent)
benkay: "What anointed property is bestowed upon “dollars” which, being absent from bitcoins, precludes their usefulness? If you would not even eat your supper without the government first giving you its blessing, then I feel sad for you, for you are truly under a dismal spell and, and suffer a strange kind of man-in-the-sky worship."
BingoBoingo: Briefs and documents to be filed in plaintext or AMS TeX
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ozbot: Safety and Efficacy of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide-Assisted P... : The Journal of Nervous and Ment
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nubbins`: first controlled study of lsd in what, 40 years?
nubbins`: s/of/involving
mircea_popescu: i dunno, iconducted a few
mircea_popescu: i guess 1st published
BingoBoingo: State courts in Texas, Montana, and California have decisions vacated after cheap imitation Cardonos were issued to justices and their keys were solved. The resolution of their forks is ongoing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cardanos? you clearly didn't read the intro carefully.
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what next, arithmometers?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: but were they controlled?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Imitations, I.E they went to classical NSA approved competitor for device with a pretense of similar function
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im a control freak.
nubbins`: why did i even ask ;D
BingoBoingo: And what's really wrong with arithmometers? Workings are easy to verify.
asciilifeform: not as good as the 'anthem', where if one bit of result is off, it no longer rhymes.
BingoBoingo: Bugs in an arithmometers are correctable with Fresh brass embouches and a bastard file
asciilifeform: (if i could sing it to you, this would be an engineering project rather than a flight of imagination.)
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00298018 = 0.298 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: In other news Idiot aligns with Idiots, suprised when Idiot gets burned by fellow idiots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00082647 = 6.9423 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: His reponse of aligning himself with still bigger idiots suggests further lulz ahead.
benkay: i had a lot of fun saying 'scam' at the local bitcoin enthusiast part last night
benkay: "ethereum?" "scam!" "mastercoin?" "scam!" "let me guess - bitcoin foundation?" "SCAM!"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the lulzy part is where he presents vouchings from... none other than... our friendly radiologist-in-training, one brian goss
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BingoBoingo: MyBitcoin 2.0
BingoBoingo: It is one thing to leak the Petagon papers. It is a road further though to leak the Pentagon papers and run for President on the credentials of having leaked the Pentagon papers.
BingoBoingo: This socialwebtwatter BBQ is really letting people lie far to much to themselves about their place.
mircea_popescu: yet if you were to poll the "community", snowden'd be the most likely to succeed as chief of the USSS
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ThickAsThieves: they promote coinmarketcap the same day bitbet blacklists it
ThickAsThieves: cmon now "(This ranking excludes the digital currency Ripple, whose market cap of $1.6 billion does not make for a fair comparison. Most ripple coins are retained by the issuing entity under a centrally managed model that’s very different from the decentralized networks employed by other alt.coins.)"
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ThickAsThieves: like auroracoin?!
benkay: hysteresis
benkay: mainstream catches up to scams just as scamwatch nukes 'em
BingoBoingo: I imagine BitBet is going to have to blacklist the WSJ as a source nao
jcpham: ripple!
ThickAsThieves: "Its creator, who goes under the pseudonym of Baldur Friggjar Odinsson,"
mircea_popescu: benkay hysteresis indeed
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no it already was
ThickAsThieves: As for the pseudonym – a tactic reminiscent of that of Bitcoin’s mysterious, unidentified creator, Satoshi Nakamoto, auroracoin’s founder says, “The agents of the state will attack anyone challenging their power, so I chose a name from Norse mythology to shield myself from such attacks.”
asciilifeform: he'll be plugged with a mistletoe arrow ?
benkay: i'll play loki
benkay hucks dart
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10013 @ 0.00082722 = 8.283 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ' admission test.... a major overhaul intended to open doors to higher education for students who are now shut out.'
mircea_popescu: so it's no longer measuring anything at lal.
ThickAsThieves: "will dwell less on fancy vocabulary" obviously
mircea_popescu: so none of that faggoty complex words and whatnot
ThickAsThieves: anything difficult or inconvenient is now fancy
mircea_popescu: shorter word.
ThickAsThieves: fancy jobs for fancy people with fancy cars and fancy coins
mircea_popescu: fancy that!
nubbins`: tickles *my* fancy
ThickAsThieves: and fancy is only in it's infancy
ozbot: Congressman Calls To Ban U.S. Dollar In Response To Plea For Bitcoin Ban | TechCrunch
ThickAsThieves: “The clear use of dollar bills for transacting in illegal goods, anonymous transactions, tax fraud, and services or speculative gambling make me wary of their use. Before the United States gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans,” said Polis.
ozbot: Final Rehab Video for Mill street - YouTube
the20year2: There's the final rehab video for a property we just got done. Total cost to investors was $62.5k
ThickAsThieves: shouldnt total cost be communicated in bitcoins spent?
the20year2: Well, otherwise it was about 100btc
asciilifeform: 'Experts say SAT scores have long been strongly correlated to family income, a dynamic the College Board hopes to shake up.'
mike_c: they want to shake up the correlation between higher income and better education?
mike_c: start smacking rich kids in the head on birth?
kakobrekla: mike_c you rang m'lord?
asciilifeform: 'harrison bergeron' (k. vonnegut)
ThickAsThieves: they want to shake it up by maksing that it exists
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: which if they succeed might just result in the discriminating colleges using more discriminating methods
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kakobrekla: < there you have it, props to pankkake .
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bitcoinpete: nicely done, and howdy
bitcoinpete: and ty kindly for the "subscriptions" mention
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wait what's the new piece ?
mike_c: very cool. love the keyboard shortcuts.
asciilifeform: in the link
kakobrekla: mike_c pankake did it
kakobrekla: asciilifeform last blog post from benkay ?
mircea_popescu: lol polis is cool.
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's unfair for richer people to afford better things. consequently, nobody wants to get rich anymore, and economy stops.
mircea_popescu: whoops, who could have foreseen this problem ><
mike_c: 'correlation found between lambos and higher income. gov't plans to correct this'
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves any merit to all that ?
asciilifeform: mike_c: new product to address this Great Product: TrabamBourghini
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: trabant engine, plastic body
asciilifeform: *Problem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i spilled. trabambourghini is like the best car name ever
asciilifeform: ye heard it here phurst.
ozbot: Pig Eating a Car (5 pics)
assbot: Last 20 lines bashed and pending review. (
kakobrekla: !b 20
asciilifeform: Trambo, short.
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mircea_popescu: so the owner is a trabambourgher ?
Namworld: [15:03] <mircea_popescu> mike_c it's unfair for richer people to afford better things. consequently, nobody wants to get rich anymore, and economy stops.
Namworld: Thank you. Sums it well.
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asciilifeform: people seriously misunderstand why trabant was a laugh
asciilifeform: it wasn't simply because it was a plywood jalopy with a grass cutter engine.
bitcoinpete: because you had to wait a decade for one?
asciilifeform: rather, because it was a car for people who can't afford car.
bitcoinpete: like the CarPlay thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3976 @ 0.00082391 = 3.2759 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: sorta like an automotive altcoin
Namworld: If people are paid as much as they produce, then there's the choice of not doing anything, or wasting effort for no profit. Economy doesn't runs and we return to self-sufficience (where everyone can finally be "paid" as much as they produce, literally.
asciilifeform: no one bothers to laugh at chinese moto-rickshaw, because it doesn't pretend to be a car
bitcoinpete: probably why the tata nano failed
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves any merit to all that ? /// i'm not sure i even understand what that is. The thread isn't moderated, but maybe someone reported a sock ot something? I had the poster on ignore already fwiw
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mircea_popescu: well some drama i have no diea
ThickAsThieves: i think its just socks socking socks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00082391 = 3.9136 BTC [-]
deadweasel: hey I heard you like socks, so I put some sock in your sock, on some socks. they're in your laundry basket. derp.
deadweasel: the forums are festering with it
deadweasel: course I only go there when links are dropped here for humor.
deadweasel: ha, just overheard our designer say '
deadweasel: You're preaching to a deaf choir' i don't even....
benkay: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 289085 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1218 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3974059069.89 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.14955
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 134 @ 0.00555348 = 0.7442 BTC [-] {7}
ThickAsThieves: pretty small change
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 916 @ 0.00517851 = 4.7435 BTC [-] {8}
ThickAsThieves: sorry 12%
mircea_popescu: benkay i dunno how much stock i can put in your branson=businessman theory
mircea_popescu: seeing how his main contribution is branson's guide to making a small fortune from air travel
mircea_popescu: ("start with a big one")
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bitcoinpete: branson seems more to invite other entrepreneurs to start companies and rent the virgin name
bitcoinpete: then break off subsidiaries when they get too big
bitcoinpete: all while he bungee jumps, etc
benkay: i dunno he seems to have stacked some piles of fiat
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BingoBoingo: So did Madonna and PT Barnum
benkay: yeah huh how did he pile all that up
BingoBoingo: The Circus bsns
benkay: ah well, back to javascript hell
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bitcoinpete: On the recent theme:
ozbot: WWW: Women Weave the Web Campaign Prizes and Opportunities | World Pulse
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nubbins`: on hold with ebay for 25 minutes now
nubbins`: i pity the poor fucker who ends up answering
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deadweasel: mod6: that article is so full of misrepresentations and misunderstandings... there isn't anything there. at all.
benkay: another one of yours, mircea_popescu?
ozbot: Congressman Calls To Ban U.S. Dollar In Response To Plea For Bitcoin Ban | TechCrunch
deadweasel: so lame, hurts to read
deadweasel: i'm physically hurting right now
mircea_popescu: deadweasel this is like the 3rd time today you know
mod6: sorry. just was like 'heh'
deadweasel: frankly I'm saving the logs for when one of you enterprising fucks puts consolidates and puts them into a book, as a sort of People Guide to the History of Bitcoin.
deadweasel: damn words.
deadweasel: also, apparently, I could use an engrish teacher.
mircea_popescu: it's hopeless, there's like 10-20k pages already
mircea_popescu: 50 fucking volumes for a coupla years ?
deadweasel: no no, highlights, tell it as a story, connected, but with the cruft removed.
deadweasel: like a book of letters, highly edited for cruft
deadweasel: you could sell an elite version with PMs that people donate.
deadweasel: wait no, verification impossibru
Mats_cd03: you could if you verified with both parties
mircea_popescu: basically this could feed 50-100 english major chicks.
mircea_popescu: i guess you gotta do something with the ones not pretty enough to dance nude in the street.
Mats_cd03: a book about bitcoin would suck anyway
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 sorta like books about the 60s. they sucked balls, but as the people who were actually involved went senile,
deadweasel: everyone deserves a shot, no? plus, she may write the story so well you want to fuck her.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd generation had no idea so it all seemed great to them
Mats_cd03: dudes in chat rooms talking about cryptography and gettin monitor tans
mircea_popescu: as opposed to what ?
Mats_cd03: i promise you once the average person sees the word cryptography theyre going to put the book down
deadweasel: considering what the forum consumes, i think it'd be a hit.
deadweasel: fuck, Mats_cd03 i see your point
mircea_popescu: average person ? what the fuck is this, the libertard dystopia ?
mircea_popescu: i never heard anyone rejecting a book idea on the grounds that goats wouldn't read it.
deadweasel: it's all in the editing.
deadweasel: yhou could have a techno savvy version
deadweasel: a laymans version
deadweasel: all edited. laymans version gets different edits
deadweasel: a drama version
deadweasel: a troll version
deadweasel: a shockdoc version
mircea_popescu: a french version...
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CheckDavid: Mats_cd03: I won't put the book down but I won't understand much of what's next either
deadweasel: that's IRC for ya
Mats_cd03: lets face it, most people would have to read a book before reading _that_ book
mod6: srsly
deadweasel: depends on the editing, but you have a point
deadweasel: introductary version would sell the most copies then.
Mats_cd03: someone in this channel could write the book
Mats_cd03: whichever of you has been here the longest and is unemployed
deadweasel: ummm, there might be a few more requirements
deadweasel: mpoe-pr should do it along with all her other womanly duties.
Mats_cd03: sounds like a shit job
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Mats_cd03: who wants to read forum comments by teenagers for hours as research
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Mats_cd03: a topic-specific book would definitely be good though
Mats_cd03: i think the community needs it
Mats_cd03: something cohesive like "bitcoin personal security for dummies"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2048 @ 0.00401424 = 8.2212 BTC [-] {8}
deadweasel: oh man, this thing is dead to me already. i have the log. fuck it.
deadweasel: no time for bookmaking of anykind.
Mats_cd03: id write it if making books was a profitable activity
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mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as security for dummies
mircea_popescu: what's next, dating for the narcisistic and hygiene for the lazy ?
mike_c: BingoBoingo already wrote that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 15000 @ 0.004 = 60 BTC [-]
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mike_c: print it, bind it, become rich.
GNULinuxGuy: has there been some news about neobee recently or something?
asciilifeform: a physicist (forget which) who took to writing 'general interest' books, was told by his publisher 'every equation you throw in will cut sales in half'
asciilifeform: (might've been penrose, now that i think about it)
GNULinuxGuy: buy op? ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the first 1-200 are the hardest then
mircea_popescu: after that's smooth sailin'.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If the text in question was I have it sitting on a shelf
asciilifeform: yeah might've been that one
BingoBoingo: It kept an adequate number of equations for a book with chapter titles like "Manifolds of n dimensions"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this tome will not be burying Landau, but it's an acceptable bait to whet an amateur's interest, i'd imagine.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably. Is an interesting read.
asciilifeform: which one of you people spoke of reading landau in french? was it mp?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59865 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59885666 = 1.7966 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60899666 = 1.827 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00574989 = 0.1092 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00399979 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07699999 = 0.231 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08999999 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00574996 = 0.5807 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: good intro.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00574999 = 0.2357 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: Still Samsung, so how do they unroot?
asciilifeform: re: phone: zimmerman was 'lowered into pederasty'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1437 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: eventually i will deal with this subject in writing, unless mp takes up this chore in my place.
asciilifeform: lev termen was a true inventor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2642 @ 0.0008275 = 2.1863 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: no one alive today is even fit to suck his decomposed cocke
asciilifeform: at least, with regards to invention
asciilifeform: he's #2 on my list of folks who probably had the waveguide motor. (after the obvious candidate nick t.)
ozbot: Early Classical Revival Websites Do Not A Bitcoin Bank Make | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: On the recent Flexcoin oopsie. He's a local kid, met him a few months back.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00441611 = 0.4681 BTC [-] {5}
jborkl: Went to the bitcoin conference today, figured might as well since it is here at home
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, others: if you think that the enemy is foolish, and has no plan, this is a dangerous mistake: he is clever and knows the ancient chinese formula 'Yi yi zhi yi' (以夷治夷 ?) - 'control the barbarians using barbarians.'
jborkl: Don't worry, no one missed anything
asciilifeform: gox, flexcoin, bitcoinica, etc. are what lenin called 'useful idiots'
asciilifeform: useful idiots do not need to know who they soldiers for.
asciilifeform: *they are
kakobrekla: asciilifeform the whole piece aint bad
asciilifeform: the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another)
asciilifeform: end up flying off untethered into strange
asciilifeform: e.g. tesla's 'ghost telegraph'
kakobrekla: i guess misconception add up over the years
kakobrekla: misconceptions*
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i don't think this is it at all
asciilifeform: rather, this is more like the folks who send binders full of crackpot proofs to maths profs today
asciilifeform: if you're unable to interact with an actual community of your peers, you tend to go way off in some strange direction
asciilifeform: sometimes, with interesting results, more often - with none
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00391018 = 0.1056 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: another thing about aging inventors
asciilifeform: when they become anxious to carry out a 'last hurrah,'
asciilifeform: the mechanism in their heads that is needed to dis-invest in an unproductive line of inquiry breaks.
asciilifeform: 'this ghost telegraph! it'll be what i'm remembered for! just needs a little tweaking.'
kakobrekla: heh, good points.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07023011 = 0.2809 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: another similar, but distinct phenomenon is
asciilifeform: people who regularly have ideas usually have fat notebooks full of strange
cazalla: asciilifeform: what's a ghost telegraph? i cannot find anything on google
asciilifeform: when these get published posthumously, quite a bit of strange is revealed
asciilifeform: e.g. karl friedrich gauss had a big fat binder that contained, among other things, both types of non-euclidean geometry.
asciilifeform: but it also had a good bit of crap.
asciilifeform: hard to find good material about an inventor's 'dwarf star' phase
asciilifeform: because the real demented folks inevitably pick it up and add flourishes of their own
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07010561 = 0.2804 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191 @ 0.00082804 = 0.1582 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0039101 = 0.3128 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: some 'idea people' don't have these 'coffin liner' binders
asciilifeform: they just publish everything
asciilifeform: and tend to end badly.
asciilifeform: oliver heaviside's notebooks, it is said, stoked a furnace for many years.
asciilifeform: heaviside, the fellow who turned maxwell's equations from 23 in about that many unknowns, into the 4 that we learn in school.
asciilifeform: (and coughed up terms like 'impedence')
asciilifeform: re: invention, for the impatient:
asciilifeform: the greatest heroes who ever lived, who none of us are fit even to be beheaded by, had terrible signal-to-noise ratios
asciilifeform: because that's simply how it works.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00082548 = 10.236 BTC [-]
cazalla: i wonder if people are testing his hypothesis
asciilifeform: the most one can hope for is to get one or two major ideas 'out'
asciilifeform: how? see mp's little piece about 'art'
cazalla: in the binders full of crackpot writings as you mentioned
asciilifeform: if you dive into the binders, you're almost certainly doomed to be lost in the noise
asciilifeform: if you don't believe this, get thee to a dusty book store and buy bucky fuller's 'synergetics' I and II
asciilifeform: that was his coffin notebook
asciilifeform: that some lost soul printed up
asciilifeform: more or less unreadable - as they tend to be, using 1000s of terms known only to the dead man
asciilifeform: after all, he was writing for his own self
asciilifeform: you can try to read this stuff and make sense of it, but more often than not you'll just be 'rorschaching' your own mind.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00082433 = 9.2325 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: there are so many blanks for imagination to fill in, you'll mostly be reading the contents of the blanks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00082973 = 6.14 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Bitstamp was hacked 2 weeks ago, and only now users are finding out - tian's posthaven
kakobrekla: i dont think i have to repeat myself re bitstamp.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00082391 = 7.9095 BTC [-]
cads: hrm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00419947 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2}
cads: I know how to sell basic drafting services, but I need to sell some product/industrial design services and I'm not sure how to price it to the client
BingoBoingo: Two cans, One String
cads: nor am I sure how to structure the IP rights of the result
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo and a lot of gold.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: two pounds of shit, one-pound bag.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
BingoBoingo: Ah there it is
cads: the device is a wearable rapsberry pi PC case with an eyeglass display
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There are worse things to step in than shit.
bitcoinpete: cads: $GoogleGlass-$1
BingoBoingo: An aqueous solution of hydrogen flouride would be an example
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00419947 = 0.105 BTC [-] {3}
bitcoinpete: On the exchange side, that leaves a couple Canadians, CaVirtex mostly, with a sprinkling of Quadriga and Vault of Satoshi.
bitcoinpete: What price discovery?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 668.74, vol: 12773.06091168 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 654.111, vol: 11418.23508 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 668.1, vol: 8398.25382776 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 680.23, vol: 44.07164922 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 652.631904, vol: 8042.55200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 680.99, vol: 5.23012654 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 663.99055, vol: 70.66675492 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: BTC price is now mystical
BingoBoingo: BTC will probably keep selling between $600 to $1000 for a while until suckers selling under $1000 have no coins to part with so cheaply
BingoBoingo: From that point BTC price becomes truly etherial
BingoBoingo: People start talking in hushed tones about that time when they once controlled a WHOLE Bitcoin
jcpham: omg you have a whole bitcoin!>!!?!?
thestrin1puller: LOLOLOLOLOLOL
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: This time next year
ThickAsThieves: End of summer
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Maybe May? Maybe December 2016
bitcoinpete: That would make quite the bitbet
ThickAsThieves: we'll consolidate, everyone will be like oh now that bitcoin is stable it's so great, then July/Aug, liftoff to like $3000+
ThickAsThieves: then crash again in winter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08999 = 0.18 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: The problem with betting on the etherial is where to source the information
ThickAsThieves: remember you don't need an index, just a source
ThickAsThieves: specified
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7282 @ 0.00083095 = 6.051 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Well, the WSJ is blacklisted as is Coinmarket.BBQ
bitcoinpete: bingoboingo: that's where I was going
bitcoinpete: it's self-referencing
ThickAsThieves: so add if/thens
ThickAsThieves: price according to Bitstamp,Coinbase,Kraken
ThickAsThieves: in that order,whomever is still living
BingoBoingo: Isn't Kraken a scam, BitStamp two cans, and Coinbase not an exchange?
ThickAsThieves: a bet is a bet
bitcoinpete: Have a list of 10 if need be
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.96371260 BTC to 19`796 shares, 60435 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: Only reasonable source might be BitcoinCentral
BingoBoingo: Because davout
ThickAsThieves: what if davout dies
ThickAsThieves: every source has a chance of being invalid
BingoBoingo: Fall back to MPOE's OIX
ThickAsThieves: just build a better bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11955 @ 0.00082389 = 9.8496 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: or even say, if Bitstamp is no longer trading 500btc per day, then this bet resolves as No
ThickAsThieves: two bets in one!
BingoBoingo: Most good Bitbets have at least 5 or 50 secret subbets tucked into them though
BingoBoingo: I.e. "Who could anticipate that S.Dice would cease to be a tradable thing"
BingoBoingo: Twas one of my better drunk bets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
BingoBoingo: Put 1 Twenty dollar Bitcoins down, recieve 5.86932711 hundred dollar Bitcoins
ThickAsThieves: thats why i love bitbet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.83967000 BTC to 320`500 shares, 574 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: if yer gonna bank, bank there :)
BingoBoingo: And then I got drunk and spent most of them on Buttcoins
BingoBoingo: Lottery WInner syndrome
bitcoinpete: As much as I'd love to keep earning brownie points by chatting instead of just reading the logs like I do the scrolls, it's time to go for tonight. Cheers y'all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0696849 = 1.3937 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00082659 = 12.8121 BTC [+]
dub: project aaaaaaye bro, get on it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0899879 = 0.27 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04243323 = 0.1273 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0880001 = 0.176 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00447 = 0.447 BTC [+]
BigBlox: hey guys can anyone help me resolve a bet?
BigBlox: hello hello
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06700049 = 0.603 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: if you are talking about bitbet, mods resolve bets, not some random strangers
BigBlox: hi, yes mods, they sent me here
BigBlox: hello strangers
BigBlox: are there any bitbets mods here?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00082707 = 0.3308 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: perhaps, or maybe someone else will be able to help
BigBlox: k, well basically i entered the altcoin bet, that was to overtake litecoin, i said yes, i emailed and was told it was a scam, i said i didnt agree, specifically said i didnt want to cancel my bet, and it was still cancelled
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00574998 = 0.1092 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: which bet is that can you give a link pointing to a bet in the list of accepted bets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 347 @ 0.00446999 = 1.5511 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: how was it canceled, its is resolved as yes
BigBlox: the auroracoin bet :/
kakobrekla: yes what about it
Duffer1: perhaps you tried to send btc after the result was known but bet wasn't closed yet
BigBlox: i doubt it, it was still open a few days after i sent it
Duffer1: odd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00447 = 0.2459 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: time closing != time when result is known
kakobrekla: sorry, i should say !====
BigBlox: heres the date: 03-03-14 05:55
BigBlox: and it was resolved today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00574997 = 0.552 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: what was your bet? link to it
BigBlox: mine is the last one, on the 3rd for .08
BingoBoingo: BigBlox: Yeah, you bet after things were know it seems, but before they had yet to be resolved. Tis a dangerous time to bet
BigBlox: i sent it before aurora beat litecoin, then i wrote to ask if they were resolving it
BigBlox: i actually didnt know if it was going to but i believed in aurora from the get go so i was pretty sure :)
BigBlox: i mean i'm glad i got my refund, not trying to be a drama queen, but i was surprised i didnt win since i was the one asking, since the 3rd
kakobrekla: then provide the necessary evidence that aurora indeed aurora had not yet crossed litecoin mkt cap at 03-03-14 05:55 (it doesnt matter when you send it, it matters when you are confirmed)
kakobrekla: and -aurora once.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC
BigBlox: k, where do i send it
kakobrekla: this box is ok
BigBlox: i took a screen shot to show my friend :)
ozbot: SEC vs. pirateat40 1
ozbot: SEC vs. pirateat40 2
ThickAsThieves: "The Fed is using curent exchange rates (3/3/14) to say investors were defrauded of $149 million"
BigBlox: oh before, i have shots of the time after it passed, how can i get that?
kakobrekla: smickles ?
BigBlox: i mean the bet showed up on the ledger, then the next day on the 4th i emailed, does that count or can i show you an email with the time and date?
kakobrekla: ok so what does an email help to prove exactly?
asciilifeform: wait - it's a civil complaint?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course this is the SEC
BingoBoingo: I believe that point had been mentioned here before...
BigBlox: the site says the bets are resolved hours after, if i bet on the 3rd and it was resolved today, then isnt that automatically legit?
BigBlox: BitBet Mod 03-03-14 at 07:38 It has to be a coin, not a scam. Aurora is a scam, not a coin.
ThickAsThieves: Gibson named!
kakobrekla: where
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: As a beneficiary?
ThickAsThieves: you just linked it
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Your buttcoin link
kakobrekla: i did?
BigBlox: on the comments
BingoBoingo: Link just mentions meeting
ThickAsThieves: i havent parsed whole doc
kakobrekla: oh right, i does.
BingoBoingo: Need to read moar to see if Gibson is beneficiary
kakobrekla: BigBitz EVIDENCE
Duffer1: big one and number two.. anyone taking bets one of those was goat?
BigBlox: what can i provide? my bet went live on the ledger on the 3rd? you guys kept the bet live until today, not sure how that isn't enough
Duffer1: prove you bet before the outcome was known, regardless of when bet closed
mike_c: in that i am feeling generous tonight, and i think he's right:
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pirateat40 does indeed have an outstanding criminal complaint, but that is related to domestic violence
ThickAsThieves: his middle name is "T"
kakobrekla: oh, much wow mike_c
mike_c: i know..
mike_c: oh wait! it's wrong
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu get the whip out.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: is it?
BigBlox: i took this right after it hit:
mike_c: ;;calc (4 + 1) / 2
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu put the whip back in.
gribble: 2.5
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: How long have you been married?
BigBlox: other than that i'm not sure what i can give you :/
ThickAsThieves: Oh, man, seven yeras.
mike_c: the line is at the wrong time.
Duffer1: Thickasthieves thanks for that, pretty amazing stuff
Duffer1: the buttcoin article i mea
BigBlox: i bet before aurora hit 300
kakobrekla: BigBitz as useful as a default windows xp background
dexX7: fyi: is broken, misses 225 transactions (ids:
Duffer1: so Shavers is proceeding without representation?
BigBlox: thanx mike_c
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Yeah, it seems
mike_c: no, don't thank me
mike_c: i had the wrong time. it actually looks like you were late
ozbot: The first line of defence is taken
BigBlox: lol
dexX7: yup, blockr is correct
mike_c: but if you want to try and prove, use those charts on coinmarketcap. from what i can tell, when your bet was registered, aurora was at around 4.5
mike_c: well above litecoin
BigBlox: how about my btc transaction, doesnt that show the time i sent the bet?
BigBlox: or ID
BigBlox: i sent from my wallet
mike_c: well, sent doesn't matter, confirmed matters.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.0001865 = 0.6528 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00447 = 0.2235 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0001865 = 0.373 BTC [-]
BigBlox: ok, thanx anyways, all good, it probably registered late :)
kakobrekla: yes thanks mike_c :)
BigBlox: thanx kakobrekla and mike_c in the place to be!
mike_c: you're welcome! pleasing customers since 2014
kakobrekla: and remember kids, customers are always wrong.
kakobrekla: (as seen above)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00574999 = 1.104 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00446999 = 1.3857 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 159 @ 0.00574999 = 0.9142 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "and when did you first give your forum password to Copumpkin?"
peterl: who's giving out passwords?
BingoBoingo: Wait, is there trouble in veggie prison?
Duffer1: it's the shavers testimony
punkman: such deposition, no lawyer, wow
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kakobrekla: o lel
kakobrekla: thats what you get when retarded webdevs make exchanges, for the seventy fifth time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3925 @ 0.00082388 = 3.2337 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: jcpham mentioned
ThickAsThieves: someone he returned coins to
ThickAsThieves: he did not return all of gigavps coins
BingoBoingo: "No, it is just a certification company where you have to take the tests to become certified"
ThickAsThieves: "I really wouldn't consider it an exchange. It was really more of a bucket shop" (bitcoinica)
copumpkin: ThickAsThieves: hah, where's that?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00589997 = 0.3186 BTC [+]
copumpkin: oh I see
BingoBoingo: Fuku Scribd and your shit scrolling
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: old news
kakobrekla: sez 28.02.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: also only a moron - or someone trying to shift blame - leaves readable strings in a trojan.
BingoBoingo: Prolly best to leave the strings out and fill the Trojan with Spartans
copumpkin: smickles: dude, he says you were in vegas when you weren't
copumpkin: unless you were hiding
kakobrekla: maybe someone pretended to be him
copumpkin: not as far as I remember
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1679 @ 0.00082313 = 1.382 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58153001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00567 = 0.1871 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00563118 = 0.1408 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: We might have to rent a Llama for all of the drama
jadne looks at BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo is tired of Scribd, digs out the old PACER login
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0865 = 0.519 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: wow they go thru every single pirate account holder one at a time...
copumpkin: I haven't gotten there yet :P
copumpkin: this thing is long as fuck
ThickAsThieves: he mentions he used your account for other things
ThickAsThieves: but that the records are generally accurate
copumpkin: see, that does not ring a bell with me at all
copumpkin: we did fuck around a fair bit
copumpkin: but I don't give my passwords out and would be weirded out by someone else giving me their
ThickAsThieves: no this is referring to your savings account
ThickAsThieves: he used people's accoutns to mask tx's
copumpkin: I see
copumpkin: why mine? :(
benkay: where does the good stuff start, ThickAsThieves?
copumpkin: man, I'm in this thing a ot
copumpkin sighs
BingoBoingo: Fuck Pacer
ThickAsThieves: the underline what's interesting to them
ThickAsThieves: but what's interesting to us might be other stiff
benkay: "Bitstamp, you're now the replacement to MtGox. Don't screw this up."
benkay: mystical bitcoins, guys
BingoBoingo: I just can't believe Number 2, is this fucking Austin Powers?
ThickAsThieves: so many pages
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07000001 = 0.7 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: does he give any indication of who big one and number2 are?
ThickAsThieves: an interesting thing that seems to be happening is he expresses full intention to make everyone whole, something he feels he could achieve, but SEC froze his accounts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00082427 = 11.6634 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: and now btc is worth so much more
copumpkin: sweet, I'm rich!
ThickAsThieves: in a sense i wonder if he would have
copumpkin: how could he have?
copumpkin: you can't just pull money out of thin air
ThickAsThieves: well how much would it have cost him back then
copumpkin: it was still a lot of money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.06710001 = 1.8788 BTC [-] {8}
Duffer1: if he stopped accepting deposits and wasn't holding fiat at all.. and got lucky on justdice..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06695715 = 0.4687 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> in a sense i wonder if he would have // I'm pretty sure he wouldn't
benkay: "subfora"
ThickAsThieves: i wasnt around so i have no sense of it
ThickAsThieves: "Q: So a year after BST collapsed, you sent 202000 bitcoin to somebody who walked with it?"
ThickAsThieves: "Correct"
Apocalyptic: copumpkin, so much for you anonymity heh
copumpkin: have you tried googling my nick?
copumpkin: I don't try to stay anonymous :)
copumpkin: kind of annoyed that he keeps saying I have his password, although it doesn't seem harmful
BingoBoingo: Well, Moustakiswas the one to Bring up Gibson's last name, and the cubby white kid known as Goat is only refered to as Chaang Noi as far as I have made it so far.
benkay: "If you can adjust the price of bitcoin on your own through some market manipulation after you get them back from Big One, what do Big One's promises about what the price of bitcoin is on Mt. Gox matter?"
copumpkin: lol, pirate doesn't believe for a minute that goat's real name is chaang noi
benkay: "He's returning you bitcoin. He's not returning us dollars."
BingoBoingo: No one believe's Goat's name is Chaang Noi, but he proceeds as certain as does only remembering James of James Gibson
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00446999 = 0.1162 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: page 269 gets pretty funny
ThickAsThieves: they start antagonizing him over why he didn't perform days worth of computing analysis on the blockchain to provide more useful data
artifexd: "I lent 202000 bitcoins to Mr. Big Man and never got them back" <- LOL
BingoBoingo: I should have got a bigger bottle of Vodka for tonight.
ThickAsThieves: it's almost believable this wasn't technically a ponzi
ThickAsThieves: the wya he tells it
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: He was clever enough to get three quarters of a million BTC under his control. It would make sense that he could try to frame things such that he admits to being a turd, but not that ponzi wop kind of turd
BingoBoingo: Thermos is mentioned on page 39
copumpkin: thermos lol
Apocalyptic: as Thermos with the "r" ?
BingoBoingo: Thermos because when you fuck up that much, you don't get the privilege of presenting yourself as an exemplar of Classic Greek values like sodomy
ThickAsThieves: "I tell you what. I'll give you a very detailed explanation of how the Tor Network works and how Tor mail works, and you can understand what I mean ... It's designed to not be trackable, not be traceable by any form of government."
BingoBoingo: Page 45 clarifies that Patrick Harnett did indeed have pirate exposure (page meaning sheet and not the quarterleaf the transcriptionist for some god awful reason assented to)
copumpkin: BingoBoingo: full account info is online, btw
copumpkin: so yes we know that patrick had a large account :P
benkay: where is full account info?
BingoBoingo: copumpkin: I know, but the scenario submitted some hours ago where asciilifeform clears the entire court docket because of poor signatures isn't a think we might as well read what is entering the court records as they presently exist
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: either too much vodka, or not enough
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Far from enough to finish these filings
BingoBoingo: The modified anthem is an engineering problem
asciilifeform: sorta like atomic submarine was engineering problem for old jules verne
asciilifeform: i should note that the idea is lifted from neal stephenson's mega-backbreaker 'anathem'
asciilifeform: where people compute using song
BingoBoingo: Yet anothing thing to read
ThickAsThieves: done with doc 1, not a lot to highlight...
BingoBoingo: Fucking Penrose wasting years 2-3 of my undergrad
asciilifeform: if you folks only ever read one book i mentioned, read that one.
BingoBoingo: Fine, I'll pause Land of Lisp and get to it.
asciilifeform: (stephenson's 'anathem' not penrose's rtr)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58152002 BTC [-]
Duffer1: mega-backbreaker lol
Duffer1: i loved that book btw ^.^
BingoBoingo: But does Stephenson have beautiful prose like "It is still unresolved in an 'absolute' sense. Kurt Godel and Paul Cohen were able to show that the continuum hypothesis (and also the axiom of choice) is not decidable by the means of standard set theory." Chapter 16 page 5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.575875 = 2.3035 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: Hella lot of name dropping
ThickAsThieves: i'm currently reading REAMDE actually
benkay: Anathem over Gravity's Rainbow?
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: reamde was, imho, total garbage. i was about to lose respect for neal s, but then heard that it was actually written by a chum of his
asciilifeform: and published under his name for some reason
BingoBoingo wishes he learned to beat machines into doing math instead of learning to do math personally
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: piratebay, then 'mathematica'
artifexd: Huh. I enjoyed Reamde. Especially the discussions of in-game economics.
ThickAsThieves: great...
ThickAsThieves: i'm not crazy at least
asciilifeform: it was an ok 'airport detective shooter' but very poor stephenson.
ThickAsThieves: been wondering why the fuck everyone loved the guy so much
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I actually have a copy of Mathematica from this Dubious "Edx" thing. Apparently it is some sort of mook for pushing software?
asciilifeform: because, afaik, it wasn't stephenson at all.
ThickAsThieves: Anathem ordered
Duffer1: good choice
ThickAsThieves: juggling too many books now...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00574997 = 0.23 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: need to take a flight somewhere to catch up
asciilifeform: damn i must've bought... 4... 5? copies of anathem
asciilifeform: for chums
ThickAsThieves: i just buy The Alchemist for people ;)
Duffer1: I did that with Perdido Street Station
Duffer1: by Mieville
benkay: asciilifeform have you ever read Banks Algebraist?
asciilifeform: benkay: nope
benkay: (Iain M. Banks, The Algebraist)
BingoBoingo: Oh, page 58, doc one, some gigaVPS preferential treatment
KRS-One: Algebait?
KRS-One: .bait
benkay: algebaiter
BingoBoingo: If anyone else wants to read RTR I recommend starting with Chapter 29 and then moving to chapter one
Duffer1: rtr?
BingoBoingo: Oh, I prolly should not mention in plaintext what just fell out from between some pages.
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Penrose's Road to Reality
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Great math book with some maybe wrong physics editorializing
Duffer1: looks interesting, I have added it to my list
BingoBoingo: I seriously forgot I even had this x that fell out, and kind of forgot what the x was...
ThickAsThieves: "realizing net proceeds of $164,758 from his net sales of 86,202 bitcoins"
Duffer1: ya the "walked away with 202000" made me cringe
ThickAsThieves: "And, so long as Shavers has an internet connection, he will be in a position where future violations could be anticipated"
moiety: mew
moiety: ThickAsThieves: you here?
benkay: it's just this crazy mess of overlapping concerns
benkay: of course it blew up on him
benkay: he probably got taken to the cleaners by several different people several different ways
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what just fell out from between some pages... I seriously forgot I even had this x that fell out... <<
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asciilifeform: perhaps this
moiety: whats ThickAsThieves's altcoin site again? bout to send folk there
ThickAsThieves: <moiety> ThickAsThieves: you here? /// for the moment
moiety: yay!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Something lighter, more fungible. Book's to good to pull quotes from to use it for that even though the bulk and cover quality are more than adequate.
ThickAsThieves: the site for Altcoin is www.therealaltcoin,org
moiety: thanks!
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm almost offended you have a chat site for Doge (historical translations for that term are unpleasant) but not Altcoin
moiety: um what would you have said if i wanted to set that up?
benkay: BingoBoingo: you're too close! pull up! pull up!
moiety: just linked to it ThickAsThieves ... people were discussing what alt to get into, told them that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 275 @ 0.00089499 = 0.2461 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC
asciilifeform: moiety: the best alt is 'slavecoin'
asciilifeform: moiety: the only minus is that it has to be built first
BingoBoingo: moiety: I would have said yes, seems like a decent investment for a joke coin. Especially if the gambling bots could be revived.
moiety: lol i was about to say i hadnt heard of that one!
moiety: aye but we're just bleeding doge, its not a money maker
moiety: was just what was left over from loq
moiety: well, cc
moiety: kinda went doge because thats what we'd already been asked for ... more than getting btc back
moiety: weirdly
moiety: would you have even wanted invoolved in a chat?!
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe if it was Altcoin chat
moiety: i thought you thought i should give up altogether on it
BingoBoingo: Not Doge though
moiety: no i did worry about telling you actually lol
moiety: you havent disowned me though :)
benkay: where is your coinchat located, moiety?
BingoBoingo: moiety: THe chatsite thing really it seems can't work as other than a chumpatron
moiety: -- still lots to be done to it though benkay!
moiety: lets try that again
moiety: people are being bizarre about my photo already, im taking it off
Apocalyptic: why does that remind me of coinchat by TF ?
moiety: because its his code but heavily tweaked
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: TF dumped it onto moiety
moiety: i think i was the only one that couldnt say no
benkay: pay much for it?
moiety: although it's doge, this one is going a lot better BingoBoingo .. it's like the start of cc again
moiety: not a thing, he wanted to get rid of it benkay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1009 @ 0.0044 = 4.4396 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: and people didnt want it to close
moiety has mug on her forehead
BingoBoingo: According to the narrative I understand moiety was merely a bigger chump than the rest
benkay: typing while balancing
benkay: hie thee to the circus!
moiety: bingo, ive probably been the biggest after all the backlash when i was just trying to help
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, the price was free for a reason
moiety: i did say no the first three or so times
moiety: i do like the people (mostly) and i feel bad just disappearing, you know?
benkay: *obligatory wolf joke reference*
benkay: "You have zero record of lending 202000 bitcoins to The Big One the second week of July, 2012; is that right?"
benkay: "I'm going to find it."
BingoBoingo: Two wolf corner a sheep to poll what is for dinner, the sheep has a Nagant
asciilifeform: nubbins around? he should draw this scene
benkay: i was thinking about the dick sucking, but let's not suffer nubbins` rendition of that, please.
asciilifeform: german and partizan uniforms optional
BingoBoingo: The Kalishkinov been trendy for decades, but partisans have been using the Mossin Nagant for more than a century nao
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Involvement of their products really is a prerequisite for a proper world war
benkay: subject of, how's the promontory, BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: Which one benkay?
benkay: crimea
benkay: it's pretty funny how shavers keeps saying 'i see where you
BingoBoingo: benkay: Uniformed forces are still far away it seems
benkay: re going with this' just a sentence or two late
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 397 @ 0.00089499 = 0.3553 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Expendables for the Mosin get expensive fast though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 48 @ 0.00366086 = 0.1757 BTC [-]
benkay: oh this is amazing
moiety: we could make chess from those
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16605 @ 0.00082382 = 13.6795 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [-]
benkay: is Vandroidy still around?
benkay: ;;ident Vandroidy
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
benkay: ;;gpg info
gribble: (gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID.
benkay: ;;gpg info Vandroidy
gribble: No such user registered.
benkay: ;;seen Vandroidy
gribble: I have not seen Vandroidy.
benkay: 5kbtc bet against the BCST scam and not in IRC?
asciilifeform: u.s. reduced to asking people politely not to clobber it, news at 11
joecool: man i wish the US would hire me to troll on IRC, just a few mil, i'd be down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00082382 = 25.456 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: joecool: Ask them to pay in BTC
BingoBoingo: Smaller number cheaper cost
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08433333 = 0.253 BTC [-] {2}
joecool: true
joecool: probably costs them more though, they have them high speed printers for freedom money
BingoBoingo: joecool: How many links in the chain of eurocrats will protest though
moiety: BingoBoingo: didn't realise you came by til now
moiety: sorry i didnt see
BingoBoingo: moiety: Had to close the tab. Dogers were trying to talk to me.
moiety: lol i am sorry ... i can't shut them up (good for me though)
moiety: see i still have stuff to do as well
moiety: what did you think apart from the dogers?
BingoBoingo: Eh, looks the same.
moiety: i'm struggling with killing the cat, can't lie
BingoBoingo: I've heard feedback on that cat. "Doge site with a fucking cat?"
joecool: moiety: got a chinese restaurant near you?
BingoBoingo: moiety: You are familiar with wet dog smell right?
moiety: BingoBoingo: when we go to change it (we have doge drawings now); people complain as well. i think i'll get them to vote on it. and ew yes wet dog smell. fortunately, it doesn't rain much on the interwebz
moiety gasps at joecool !
BingoBoingo: moiety: What smells like wet dogs? also get some clips on joecool
moiety: we cats?
moiety: wet*
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe the politically incorrect thing doesn't translate well across the ocean
moiety: yeah i'm totally lost
joecool: me too
BingoBoingo: moiety: Fucking Crackers smell like wet dogs
BingoBoingo: ;;ud wet dog
gribble: | what a white person smells like after getting rained on, running long distances, or just getting sweaty/wet.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Wet dog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.02220042 = 0.555 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: lol sorry i have honestly never heard that before BingoBoingo !
joecool: same
benkay: moiety they'll never appreciate any work you do for free
benkay: so fuck 'em
BingoBoingo: Seriouly, white people smell like wet dogs
moiety: benkay: couple wee shits that were throwing tantrums at the old site are getting told to get to fuck from the new one :)
moiety: I smell like mangos
joecool: BingoBoingo: where you from?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58999999 BTC [+]
moiety: mango body butter ftw
benkay: rub it all over y'self ;)
BingoBoingo: joecool: A place, Do you want coordinates in traditional 3+1 dimensional space or 2+2 twistor space?
moiety: head to toe afterr every shower benkay! i'll be a mango soon!
benkay: sounds tasty
benkay: great mangos in argentina, apropos only of mangos
benkay: .bait
BingoBoingo: moiety: Doesn't it frost in fogland where you are from? If you go outside you will die!
benkay: .bait
benkay: great mangos there, too ^^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
moiety: i think that last bait is the best one yet
benkay: my mangos seem to have manufactured some meat for me so i'm going to man off meow
moiety: BingoBoingo: this is why im a housecat
moiety: practically freeze to death indoors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58999999 = 1.77 BTC [-]
moiety: asciilifeform: that's the best cat ever! is it real?!
asciilifeform: moiety: it is!
asciilifeform: moiety: it's called manul.
moiety: that man looks so pleased to see it!
moiety: how is it so big?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1352 @ 0.00018798 = 0.2541 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: moiety: it's a big cat. lives in the steppes.
moiety: i need to live there
moiety: the guys with the german sherpherds look a bit deflated next to the cat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62979 @ 0.00082309 = 51.8374 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58999999 = 3.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18288 @ 0.00082212 = 15.0349 BTC [-]
moiety: they are so pretty asciilifeform wiki tries to tell us they are small pffft
asciilifeform: moiety: approx. the size of two regulation housecats.
moiety: is the imgur one just a huge one?
moiety: its like 20 of mine
asciilifeform: moiety: mostly fur, i imagine.
moiety: oh how cosy
asciilifeform: moiety: and perhaps a little photoshop
moiety: no.. no photoshop. *denial*
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BingoBoingo: Steppes music sounds like Missouri music
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik mongolia
moiety: asciilifeform: lol the music makes that video. i like how the cat tried to take on the blanket
BingoBoingo: That feral looks a lot my a friend's ex's cat, "Gracie" the beast was called
ozbot: Manul – the Cat that Time Forgot ~ The Ark In Space
moiety: gracie is a lovely name
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00405 = 0.2147 BTC [-] {3}
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