Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2013-05-08 | 2013-05-10 → ↓
ThickAsThieves: since it all happened in 213
ThickAsThieves: i also used cash from my business to do the buying
ThickAsThieves: so i have some flex there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.0142 = 0.426 BTC [-]
KRS1: if its an s-corp u can prolly realize those gains and keep it in the coffers without having to pay anything just yet
ThickAsThieves: i have many things i can claim as expenses at well
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: xv
ThickAsThieves: haha nice
Bugpowder: tonight :)
ThickAsThieves: daytrading btc got too gambley for me
KRS1: well the thing is, an incorporated business is its own legal entity and any money it makes doesnt get taxed until its withdrawn as salary or whatever..you can figure out how to spend it tax free from there..max the ira's and what not..make tax free "investments" into the "company" that get sspent on this and that
ThickAsThieves: i;m almost at .3%
Bugpowder: I have a pro CPA looking at the tax situation
KRS1: the government likes green investments atm
Bugpowder: will update.
ThickAsThieves: that would be appreciated Bug
Bugpowder: 0.3% is a nice discount tier
Bugpowder: after that who gives a shit
KRS1: yeh lawyers are real good at that shit..meh I went to business school I only know the "proper" way to do things.
Bugpowder: the CPA is going to do it proper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3034 BTC [+]
KRS1: yeh they can pull off some cool shit so you dont pay as much
ThickAsThieves: i forgot i had some BTC on gox still :)
Bugpowder: I would have had to set shit up ahead of time in offshore shell corps to avoid taxes, instead of my personal gox account
Bugpowder: and I dunno how to do that.
Bugpowder: yet :-P
KRS1: just call a bank in Bermuda =D
Bugpowder: oh my
Bugpowder: I have a lot of bitcoins tonight
KRS1: ..and there are starving children in Africa.
Bugpowder: would love to see a bounce from here.
KRS1: JUST LOOK AT SALLY STRUTHERS GODDAMNIT!
Diablo-D3: SHE ATE THEM
KRS1: meh I'm just trying to see how many drugs I can get into my system tonight before I crash
Bugpowder: bought back in based on the high bid/ask ratio relative to current price
KRS1: think I'm gonna top it all off with some benedryl or nyquil.
Bugpowder: so far it hasn't worked out
Bugpowder: but only 4 hours in
ThickAsThieves: i think if you dont see a nice rise this week
KRS1: but im still racing from earlier
ThickAsThieves: itll happen next week
ThickAsThieves: if we hold up, thing can get quite bullish
KRS1: thanks for that- i noticed you are pretty accurate
KRS1: and bugpowder too
KRS1: I value your opinions
ThickAsThieves: i'm wrong too sometimes
Bugpowder: yeah
Bugpowder: I got filled at 81
KRS1: wtf how did u place an order when it went that low
Bugpowder: sold at 90
KRS1: api?
ThickAsThieves: same here pretty much
Bugpowder: I had it in for a long time
KRS1: ahhhh
ThickAsThieves: I thought itd fall again
KRS1: thats tight
Bugpowder: literally the minute I sold at 90
Bugpowder: it started the rally to 120
Bugpowder: fucking lame
Bugpowder: Now here I am buying at 112
Bugpowder: <sigh>
Bugpowder: time to sleep thru this shit.
KRS1: $105 here
KRS1: i was looking at that nginx exploit..some zero-day shit there.
KRS1: do professionals consider nginx suitable for production yet? Its been a while since I followed that project. I mostly work with Apache.
Bugpowder: I assume you have all seen this now
KRS1: wow it seems that exploit could lead to rootshell
KRS1: wonder if gox got rooted
KRS1: bugpowder: YES thats hilarious.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.42 = 14.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [-]
Bugpowder: the production quality on the tunes are getting better
KRS1: We were all groovin to that in the office today..brothers and white dudes doin some harlem shuffle to that
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.41 = 7.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.41 = 2.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.41 = 4.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.401 = 7.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.4 = 14 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i still like the rap battles ones too
KRS1: Hide your kids, hide your wife.
ThickAsThieves: with einstein and hawking
benkay: krs1 we use nginx in production
KRS1: Is that a generally accepted practice now? Last I remember it wasn't recommended just yet.
benkay: well, we use it for not terribly sensitive stuff
corpsan: use nginx, it's fine
KRS1: in many ways i understand it is superior to apache
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [-]
corpsan: it's superior to apache in most ways
KRS1: Threaded C?
KRS1: nvermind im curious now im gonna go learn it
KRS1: I might throw it in dev for my company..get it in the food chain
Bugpowder: wat?
KRS1: As far as autotune news events, Idk if this is my favorite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWb4OhL8eow
Bugpowder: well it IS the classic
corpsan: nginx is single-threaded
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10508 @ 0.00072183 = 7.585 BTC [+]
KRS1: yeh? like apache has prefork.c for that
KRS1: but u can switch
benkay: if you had stones like riker you'd mount everything too
KRS1: oh dear bugpowder I didn't know about that one..I think we're pretty vulnerable by now
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.392001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.392 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.380005 BTC [-]
corpsan: apache has a whole OS thread per connection, which is significant memory overhead, and each thread does a context-switches whenever it reads or writes, which is significant CPU overhead
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0145 BTC [+]
corpsan: nginx has one thread—each connection is a <200byte struct, and the reads/writes are all multiplexed
corpsan: it can read/write from/to all open connections in a single context switch
corpsan: it is vastly more efficient than apache
KRS1: heh this was a fancy exploit..well done
KRS1: ok so it seems to share base mem
KRS1: seems pretty efficent
KRS1: this is a handy memory dump util they provided
corpsan: the downside is you are 99% likely to be writing your application in a dipshit programming language, depending on a dipshit web framework, and using a dipshit threading model. so you're not probably to see much benefit other than fewer load balancers
benkay: sounds like dipshit client using nginx
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.360121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4585 @ 0.00072183 = 3.3096 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071757 = 3.1006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3168 @ 0.00071756 = 2.2732 BTC [-]
KRS1: ours isnt bad..apache, php, cms is expression engine and the backend is written in java..our db is probably our weakest point.
corpsan: you won't see any benefit switching to apache with that dipshit stack
corpsan: *from
KRS1: i configured all the web servers to fork, not using multi threading..instead using vmware to give high cpu availability
corpsan: but yeah your DB probably is your bottle neck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.01439 = 0.0576 BTC [-]
KRS1: nah the web servers are hardly taxed at all
KRS1: im not the one who came up with it, i can barely influence our technical architecture..too many egos and I dont play that f'n game..im the one they come running to when shit doesnt work.
corpsan: i know that feel bro
KRS1: yeh it sucks, but nothing new...been doing this 13+ years
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01410001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 34 @ 0.0141 = 0.4794 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.014 = 7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01439999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 199 @ 0.0144 = 2.8656 BTC [+]
KRS1: and back down
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.409999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01415 = 0.0425 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.41 = 14.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.42 = 7.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 33 @ 0.01415 = 0.467 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.014333 = 0.043 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.01415 = 0.1981 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.01 = 4.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072308 = 3.1244 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8751 @ 0.00072327 = 6.3293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00073025 = 6.5723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16878 @ 0.0007305 = 12.3294 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.0142 = 0.1988 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.414502 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.414501 = 2.0725 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.414499 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.401 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00997 = 0.997 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 20 @ 0.000618 = 0.0124 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.0142 = 0.5396 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 33 @ 0.002815 = 0.0929 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0142 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.014332 = 1.4332 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.0142 = 0.6674 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.01435 = 0.7175 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.0144 = 0.288 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.445999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0144 = 0.0576 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.446 = 2.892 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.0144 = 0.4176 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 43 @ 1.446 = 62.178 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.448 = 7.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.448 = 7.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.448 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009962 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 8 @ 0.00996 = 0.0797 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.0144 = 0.6768 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0145 = 0.1305 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.0145 = 0.087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2132 @ 0.00071756 = 1.5298 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 110 @ 0.0142 = 1.562 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 210 @ 0.014 = 2.94 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 250 @ 0.0013 = 0.325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6368 @ 0.00071449 = 4.5499 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 225 @ 0.01429999 = 3.2175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 68 @ 0.0143 = 0.9724 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4035 = 0.807 BTC [-]
dub: In March 1992 Chinese authorities found that Shenzhen reflective materials institute had copied 650,000 Microsoft Corporation holograms. The institute was found to be guilty of trademark infringement against Microsoft, but was fined a mere US $252. Losses to Microsoft as a result of the infringement are estimated at US $30 million.
dub: pwned
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5769 @ 0.0007231 = 4.1716 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01429999 = 0.715 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 34 @ 0.01429999 = 0.4862 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.0145 = 0.5075 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0007118 = 3.0757 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8279 @ 0.00071165 = 5.8918 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.01429999 = 0.5863 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 132 @ 0.0143 = 1.8876 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 97 @ 0.014333 = 1.3903 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.014395 = 1.4395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0144 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01444 = 2.888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 75 @ 0.01449999 = 1.0875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 121 @ 0.0145 = 1.7545 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01475 = 0.0738 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0146 = 0.0292 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 425 @ 0.0145 = 6.1625 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 67 @ 0.01475 = 0.9883 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 33 @ 0.01474 = 0.4864 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 95 @ 0.01475 = 1.4013 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 122 @ 0.0148 = 1.8056 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.444 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.444 = 4.332 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.445 = 7.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.448 = 2.896 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.0148 = 0.1036 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 720 @ 0.0007126 = 0.5131 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 160 @ 0.003344 = 0.535 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.0148 = 0.444 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 200 @ 0.00172499 = 0.345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00071248 = 3.4199 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071178 = 3.0756 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2379 @ 0.00071165 = 1.693 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 24 @ 0.0146 = 0.3504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 577 @ 0.0007126 = 0.4112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3779 @ 0.00073025 = 2.7596 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.0148 = 0.296 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0148 = 0.74 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.0148 = 0.296 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0148 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.448 = 11.584 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.46 = 14.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.463 = 4.389 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.10599 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01499 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 249 @ 0.015 = 3.735 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.015 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.0155 = 1.085 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.455 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0149 = 0.745 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01381 = 0.0967 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.013989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.3098 = 4.3372 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3099 = 0.6198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.31 = 3.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 1.46 = 7.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.01501 = 0.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.015 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.014 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.013 = 0.026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00073025 = 0.5112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00073049 = 3.1564 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11244 @ 0.0007309 = 8.2182 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00073301 = 1.9425 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17857 @ 0.0007332 = 13.0928 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.013989 = 0.028 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0146 = 0.0584 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 345 @ 0.01440001 = 4.968 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 80 @ 0.0144 = 1.152 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0149 = 0.745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.463 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 55 @ 0.0148 = 0.814 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.0146 = 0.4234 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00073497 = 3.1758 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5529 @ 0.00073531 = 4.0655 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5378 @ 0.00073325 = 3.9434 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: so have i missed anything the last few days?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 32 @ 0.0013 = 0.0416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072999 = 3.1543 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00072998 = 2.2629 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00071989 = 2.6636 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9894 @ 0.00071165 = 7.0411 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2785 @ 0.00070989 = 1.977 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: asicminer seems to be kicking ass
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0149 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: yeah 1.5 is kicking ass :)
KRS1: chaang-noi: you missed a good gox outage last night
KRS1: I think someone said it was the zero-day nginx exploit
Chaang-Noi: i saw part of it
Chaang-Noi: but its gox so no shock lol
KRS1: price didnt budge much at all..seems to be a very healthy market maybe?
KRS1: rsi been looking good
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00103 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.00102 = 0.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 244 @ 0.001002 = 0.2445 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 540 @ 0.001001 = 0.5405 BTC [-]
KRS1: where ya been still moving
Chaang-Noi: went to bkk for beer and btxc trading
KRS1: heh
KRS1: thats...one of those things that probably shouldnt go together..reminds me of nights gambling and drinking the complimentary spirits..you make dumb moves after a while.
Chaang-Noi: i meet a guy to trade btc for fiat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00073088 = 3.1581 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11389 @ 0.00073096 = 8.3249 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0142 = 1.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0149 = 0.0447 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.4619 = 7.3095 BTC [+]
KRS1: oh..nice. trading drunk online..buy..sell..can get you into hot water quick.
KRS1: not drunk but even a few beers can make you choose foolishly
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.462 = 2.924 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.463 = 8.778 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 1.464 = 11.712 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 19 @ 1.465 = 27.835 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.41131 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4112 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: not sure why anyone would sell asic miner right now...
Chaang-Noi: nearing 20 ghs now
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.003165 = 0.0127 BTC [+]
KRS1: those figures ^^ is that what they're pulling in and will be divided up into dividends
Chaang-Noi: am pays dividends weekly
Chaang-Noi: this stock should be worth 2.5 to 3 btc
Chaang-Noi: its undervalued cuz some of the first investers ahve a shit load of it and want to take sopme profits
Chaang-Noi: many people have 10,000 shares of this
Chaang-Noi: well over a million usd
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 7 @ 0.0013 = 0.0091 BTC [+]
KRS1: my god
Chaang-Noi: i know about 5 instant millionairs
KRS1: so i would probably be better off buying this otc
KRS1: thats gangster
KRS1: im looking at btc-tc right now, i have been thinking about this for a while..also checked out havelock
Chaang-Noi: i only had about 4k shrares
Chaang-Noi: buying directly might be best, who knows
KRS1: so right now 4k X ~ 1.2 btc or something
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01301 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: 1.45 more like it
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.013 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: iv sold some, i had 5500 but then sold to about 3,500 or so now
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 300 @ 0.012607 = 3.7821 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: 3500 x 1.4 x 111
KRS1: i see quite a few asicminer
KRS1: how do i know whats right for me
Chaang-Noi: still over half a million in fiat
KRS1: nice
Chaang-Noi: plus i get weekly dividends that are fun
KRS1: otc might be a better choice for me
Chaang-Noi: i sold the other shares for coke and whores money, we all need that
Chaang-Noi: ineedausername is selling otc on the forum now
KRS1: whats a low dividend payment for 1 share and whats a good one
Chaang-Noi: i dont understand the question
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00071236 = 3.0781 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11879 @ 0.00071203 = 8.4582 BTC [-]
KRS1: LOL yes we all need that hahaha just got into it the other day with some broad who ripped me off for $60 bucks..she gave a hell of a lapdance 20 minutes earlier though
KRS1: whats a good dividend to recieve for one share of am for example
Chaang-Noi: this week was .011 ish
KRS1: not wanting to resell, but for the dividends mainly
KRS1: not bad
Chaang-Noi: well they have 20 th now but have ordered 250 more and should have 1000 th by the end of the year
KRS1: but even the price on am shares will go up
KRS1: damn
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.455 BTC [+]
KRS1: avalon hardware mostly?
Chaang-Noi: they made thier own
KRS1: tight
KRS1: pretty solid operation from what ive seen so far
saulimus: how do you guys deal with bitcoin volatility while holding btc assets? just don't care about it at all?
davout: pretty much
KRS1: you really cant think in terms of that
Chaang-Noi: bitcoin volatility? from our perspective its the rest of the world that is not stable
Chaang-Noi: we know how many btcs there are and will be, fiat? lol
Chaang-Noi: who the fuck knows
davout: Chaang-Noi: couldn't have said it better
jurov: http://www.anyoption.com/bitcoin-options .. now how one should read it
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3713 @ 0.00073099 = 2.7142 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4026 @ 0.0007353 = 2.9603 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: jurov your site?
jurov: no, just popped out in a google ads and looks interesting
jurov: so they seem to be binary, each costs $100 and pays out $220 , am i right?
Chaang-Noi: well unless i know who runs it im going to assume its a scam site
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 415 @ 0.00070989 = 0.2946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070979 = 3.067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4293 @ 0.00070978 = 3.0471 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: mp you know about this? EX] [S.MPOE] 1821 @ 0.00071203 = 1.2966 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 415 @ 0.00070989 = 0.2946 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00070979 = 3.067 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: <assbot> [MPEX]
Namworld: Looks neat...
Chaang-Noi: but is it a scam?
jurov: *shrugs* not planning to touch it anyway
davout: they're in cyprus
Namworld: Doesn't look like it
davout: scam state :-)
Chaang-Noi: am is over 20 th now
Chaang-Noi: "Our main data source for pricing and expiry rates is Thomson Reuters."
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 235301 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 570 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10874674.6045 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.92337
KRS1: its a scam state, but also one that needs solutions..so could this be one
Chaang-Noi: John Cane: What do you mean by 4 btc community?
Chaang-Noi: akmar: btc means bitcoin its is the currancy code
Chaang-Noi: akmar: how long has this site been around?
Chaang-Noi: John Cane: Our platform is active since 2008.
Chaang-Noi: they say they ahve been here since 2008 hahaha
jurov: this is not a solution... just a betting that doesn't touch bitcoin actually
daybyter: Hello mircea_popescu!
jurov: hi mircea
mircea_popescu: anyway, in the interest of full disclosure :
mircea_popescu: about ten days ago i was cleanning out my lawnmower when something inside pricked my finger
mircea_popescu: which made a fucking obnoxious wound kept me from typing properly for a coupla days
davout: ohai
mircea_popescu: but then! it didn't heal properly!
mircea_popescu: so now i just had it surgified, and apparently the doctor removed a very fine thorn bit from my finger.
jurov: so now you are Mircea Four-fingered.
mircea_popescu: at this point it either heals or i get magical flesh eating bacteria and die.
mircea_popescu: so pray for me or else all your bitcoinz!
Chaang-Noi: hmm, i would ahve assumed you paid people to cut your grass
davout: s/magical/romanian/
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi its not that much and i cant sit in the chair all day long.
davout: Chaang-Noi: why pay someone to do the fun things?
jurov: Chaang-Noi: mp prolly likes to inhale that fresh grass smell
error4733: can you make withdraws with 4 fingers ?
mircea_popescu: jurov i have a mulch pile and everything
mircea_popescu: error4733 nope.
jurov: hehe
mircea_popescu: gotta push 6 buttons at the same time
error4733: shit
Chaang-Noi: yard work, dont enjoy it so much, i just take walks with my dogas
ThickAsThieves: 10-finger verification system
ThickAsThieves: gets ya every time
mircea_popescu: i have it set up like a sort of mario knockoff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 250 @ 0.01495 = 3.7375 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sorry error4733 but your withdrawal is in another castle.
KRS1: first time I've seen binary options for btc
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi unless you're 85lbs coma survivor lawnmowing is no hard work eh ?
mircea_popescu: not like i work my own coal mine.
error4733: all my shiny gold coin...
ThickAsThieves: sdice has many options
davout: mircea_popescu: LOL
jurov: actually i'm the mowing expert in our family, too
mircea_popescu: KRS1 nah, were like 2-3 before.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0151 = 0.755 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01512 = 0.756 BTC [+]
KRS1: not much call for that eh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01512 = 0.756 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 55 @ 0.01524 = 0.8382 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov i didn't know kensians had families :D
jurov: kensians?
Chaang-Noi: no it is not hard work, id rather do hard work than cut grass something i can pay the local combodian 3$ to do it (and he does a hell of a better job than i could do anyway)
mircea_popescu: (that, for the two irc trolls who don't know finance at all, was a joke, in relation to all the recent furror about nial making that stateemnt re keynes being gay)
Chaang-Noi: i dont mind doing work, but i dont like doing work where i dont need to think.
error4733: 3$/day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01524 = 0.762 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01525 = 1.525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0155 = 1.55 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi if you don't think you get your finger pricked.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01467 = 0.1027 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: error that is like 3 hours of work, and i over pay
Chaang-Noi: mp :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.014675 = 0.3962 BTC [+]
error4733: lol over pay like a boss...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.0155 = 2.325 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i live near camobida, lots of works need work
error4733: 1$/h nice wage ! at least you can buy food to stay alive
Chaang-Noi: a teacher makes $200 a month starting out, a no skilled illigal cambodian gets fuck all
jurov: did you try offering few teaspoons of bitcoins?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.01512 = 7.56 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: a good meal is about a dollar here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0151 = 0.755 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: AM over 1.5 nice :)
Chaang-Noi: and that was a sell off, lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 250 @ 0.0155 = 3.875 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: if you guys had 100k usd in fiat and wanted to start a btc business what would you do?
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i would hire fred wilson.
error4733: gest house in thailand
ThickAsThieves: i have a few ideas
error4733: guest*
Chaang-Noi: fred wilson. to cut my grass?
ThickAsThieves: i have a google search killer idea
ThickAsThieves: and an online training software SaaS idea
mircea_popescu: people now sign emails to me with Hoping to not get in your "dumb persons" list, X
ThickAsThieves: but 100k probly aint enough
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi pretty cool idea that.
Chaang-Noi: i know a guy who wants to get into a btc and have a business, has 100k but i have no idea what to do with it
Chaang-Noi: only idea is to have an exchange but i dont know...
ThickAsThieves: oh, a bitcoin biz
jurov: and in case you need deratisation, i also recommend you to hire the rat poison expert, what was his name...
error4733: drug ?
Chaang-Noi: hmm btc and porn
Chaang-Noi: do people still pay for porn?
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin PR/mktg agency
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.015552 = 1.5552 BTC [+]
error4733: 1$/h ?
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi if he's located in where you are he could start a business making retreats for bitcoiners.
Chaang-Noi: yeah bitcoin needs good pr people
Chaang-Noi: he is in the usa
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin consulting in general
error4733: mp +1
mircea_popescu: if he's in the usa he should spend it to relocate
jurov: Chaang-Noi: just send him to supernode conference.
mircea_popescu: best business decision ever.
Chaang-Noi: yeah he works and has a family
mircea_popescu: which is why it costs 100k
Chaang-Noi: i think he would just give me the 100k to do whatever
Chaang-Noi: yeah he wont go, iv told him for years to get the fuck out
ThickAsThieves: use it to manipulate litecoin prices
mircea_popescu: you know this is so very much like pre-iron curtain europe
mircea_popescu: people just don't want to go.
mircea_popescu: then they queue up for bread.
ThickAsThieves: it wont be bread this time
mircea_popescu: actually if it were bread i tyhink it'd be a blessing
ThickAsThieves: we're too food-focused
mircea_popescu: think, a 600 calorie average diet in the us for a year ?!
ThickAsThieves: itll be somehting else
mircea_popescu: population health +9000
Chaang-Noi: usa has a lot of food
error4733: Chaang-Noi : how much to buy a land and built a nice guest house in thailand ? Not the most expensive place but not the worst neither
Chaang-Noi: he wants to do just btc stuff
error4733: just buy BTC hand hoar ?
Chaang-Noi: id do tourist shit in myanmar, loas or cambodia, too much shit here
ThickAsThieves: roll the 100k on sdice 85%, probly save a lot of time
Chaang-Noi: i told him to just hold btc, buti thought id ask here if anyone had any ideas
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi obviously he can buy shares.
mircea_popescu: you don't need us to tell you that.
Chaang-Noi: if anything he would buy AM
error4733: AM shares !
Chaang-Noi: but i doubt he will, he wants to get into the almost virgin btc world
mircea_popescu: am at 1.5 ?
Chaang-Noi: about that yeah
Chaang-Noi: over 20 th now
ThickAsThieves: btc space program
jurov: Chaang-Noi: just send him around here
jurov: let himself explain what he wants
ThickAsThieves: btc satellite for internet access to syria etc
Chaang-Noi: okay ill do that
Chaang-Noi: if he can figure out irc
jurov: he can use webchat in worst case
Chaang-Noi: i was wondering, lets say i was in antartica and i wanted to send some btc, how the fuck would that work?
jurov: use iridium?
Chaang-Noi: do they have satalite internet there?
ThickAsThieves: carrier pigeon
jurov: they do
mircea_popescu: sure they do have satellite
Chaang-Noi: id ahve to buy a special phone or computer?
error4733: srsly, i made the same mistake, try to invest instead of bought btc ! i punch myself eveytime i saw my stock take the dust
error4733: iridum with modem
Chaang-Noi: so it should be doable with out too much trougble if i find myself down there?
Chaang-Noi: good links guys thx
Chaang-Noi: error, does not seem like i could run a btc client on that phone
mircea_popescu: (no tits)
Chaang-Noi: okay so im sure i could get something to work, if i make it down there ill have to look into it more
Chaang-Noi: anyone have any idea if this house is worth more than 50 btc? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199199.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.0001 = 4.0002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.014675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01545 = 1.545 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i just wonder if it is a scam
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.015475 = 1.5475 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: havelockers ball
error4733: Chaan-Noi u dont run any client on phone. you connect the phone to your laptop and its like a modem
ThickAsThieves: er, havelockers are ballers
Chaang-Noi: error okay cool
Chaang-Noi: anyone here german?
andreas: I'm german...
Chaang-Noi: andreas what do you think this house is worth? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199199.0
jurov: if the house is structurally sound, then it's worth 50btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 60 @ 0.015475 = 0.9285 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: no way i could tell with out going there eh?
truff1es: looks like blood on the one of the tiled walls
mircea_popescu: a house in germany is worth 50 btc just on the premise it is allowed to stand.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.015475 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.015475 = 0.7738 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: hmm, 100 btc?
andreas: yeah...I followed this thread for a while, too...
truff1es: id buy it and demolish, that looks terrible
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 2.06 = 12.36 BTC [+]
andreas: I'm not so sure about the monument protection issue yet.
Chaang-Noi: i have no idea what houses are worth in germany
andreas: although the owner claims otherwise, I know...
Chaang-Noi: yeah but might be scam
Chaang-Noi: or a lie
Chaang-Noi: he wont give us the address
andreas: atm, I think there will be restrictions if you renovate it...
Chaang-Noi: well, what if i just want to burn it to the ground?
andreas: so...you have to keep the facade, if you renovate it.
Chaang-Noi: id guess that would be costly?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.014675 = 0.0881 BTC [+]
andreas: you won't be allowed to use modern windows with plastic frames etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.015475 BTC [+]
truff1es: why should he give out the address of his gf's place..
andreas: I guess you'll have to replace all electricity lines, water installation etc.
Chaang-Noi: well the outside does look cool
jurov: there is not street view there.. but few interesting photos of other ruins
andreas: you won't even be allowed just to leave it rotting!
Chaang-Noi: jurov you cant find it on google?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 38 @ 0.015475 = 0.5881 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: lol i cant just leave it?
andreas: So the local authorities will force you to renovate it, I guess...
andreas: next problem...who wants to live there?
jurov: no, i thought i'll find it via street view, ichstedt is small
Chaang-Noi: any idea how much that woujld cost? i honestly have no idea
jurov: but only a few photos there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.015479 = 1.5479 BTC [+]
andreas: in most areas there are no stores or shops anymore.
Chaang-Noi: jurov think its a scam or just not enough photos?
mircea_popescu: there is never going to be "Enough photos"
andreas: so I guess you'll have to drive like 20 miles just to buy a slice of bread.
jurov: Chaang-Noi: how would i know i just report what i found on google maps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0155 = 1.55 BTC [+]
andreas: there's a very good chance, that there's no internet connection there.
Chaang-Noi: jurov no idea, just asking for your thoughts, iv not checked it out
truff1es: can u make a legit offer to buy, drive up to check out the property, and then reject it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.003001 = 1.8006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.00295 = 0.177 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0029001 = 2.9001 BTC [-]
jurov: actually it looks quite populous area.. and they promise 8gbit internet
andreas: what?
Chaang-Noi: truffles if i do so in the next 3 days
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0156 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8334 @ 0.0029 = 24.1686 BTC [-]
jurov: halle (quite big city) 71 km away , not bad
mircea_popescu: davout that 5mn round just in time eh.
jurov: andreas, read the op
andreas: you can't get such a connection in the middle of berlin or munich as a private user...
truff1es: id want to know who my neighbors are
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 19 @ 0.0159 = 0.3021 BTC [+]
davout: mircea_popescu: what?
truff1es: lots of dings with the clock
mircea_popescu: that was the fred wilson refernce. coinbase closed a 5mn deal a little back
mircea_popescu: not stellar, but hey. they needed the cash to stay in the picture.
davout: oh lol, i was like 5 minutes what?
jurov: yes the church is on panoramio
davout: yea, i heard about it
mircea_popescu: minutes is min :D
davout: paymium's funding is apparently
davout: in another castle
davout: for the time being
davout: 5mn nom nom nom
andreas: I can tell you, that better houses where sold at the hunsrĂĽck or in hessen for 15000-20000 euros.
andreas: with functioning water and electricity installation.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.455 BTC [+]
andreas: so you can move in within 4 weeks, or so.
jurov: brrrrr hunsrueck... friend ended there, has to pay 80 euro for half decent internet
andreas: not renovate it for 5 years...
jurov: total end of the world
Chaang-Noi: i think i will just pass on that house, really seems like more work than it is worth
andreas: what do you think, thĂĽringen is?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.015475 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 845 @ 0.01547501 = 13.0764 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.015475 = 0.3095 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: its a portmanteau
mircea_popescu: from aloof and lofty
davout: :-)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0158 = 1.58 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: andreas so does germany generally suck as a place to livei n ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.0158 = 2.37 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dude! i found it omg!
andreas: I think, this is better...
mircea_popescu: this is me when i go to conferences, press events etc.
andreas: ...as an example...
andreas: mircea_popescu: it's hard to compare for me, since I've never lived anywhere else..
mircea_popescu: well now, that you must change.
andreas: but I think, you cannot say, that living in country x sucks...
andreas: it depends where and how you live.
Chaang-Noi: andreas im shocked houses are so cheap in germany
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01585 = 3.17 BTC [+]
andreas: with enough money, you can have a decent live almost anywhere...
andreas: Chaang-Noi: you have to consider the demographic problems here...
Chaang-Noi: 35k euro is nothing for a house, or at least int he usa
mircea_popescu: well if you can't renovate your house
mircea_popescu: then no, it does suck, and its not a question of money.
Chaang-Noi: 300k or os needed for a decent house in the usa
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 41 @ 0.0159 = 0.6519 BTC [+]
andreas: not enough kids, germans are getting fewer and fewer...
andreas: and the young people go, where the work is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00073496 = 5.1815 BTC [+]
andreas: there are no companies in thĂĽringen or hunsrĂĽck etc.
Chaang-Noi: i see
andreas: so you cannot make a living there in most cases.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 48 @ 0.01595 = 0.7656 BTC [+]
andreas: so they move into bigger towns, like cologne, munich etc.
andreas: the old people stay in their villages, but they don't need internet etc. often.
Chaang-Noi: hmm, i am interested in getting some place in europe as a base to travel around, but no idea where, i think it wont be spain however...
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi timisoara.
andreas: so shops are closing etc.
Chaang-Noi: what does a decent flat cost there? im not sure i even want a house
andreas: buying houses in cologne or munich is crazy expensive now...
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.400003 BTC [-]
andreas: even renting an appartment is a huge problem..
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi why buy anyway ? you can just rent.
Chaang-Noi: id be intersted in timisoara
mircea_popescu: starting from whatever, 200 a month.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.400002 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: furnished?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: wellthats fine then
mircea_popescu: i'm here specifically because it makes all of europe accessible.
mircea_popescu: you can fly anywhere within an hour or two, the airport is 20 minutes away (from where i live) etc
Chaang-Noi: i might buy a car
mircea_popescu: well... may be three hours to lisbon or moscow, but you get the idea.
mircea_popescu: sure, west roads are ok. east a little iffy.
Chaang-Noi: idealy id hook up with a local who could assit me in traveling and the like, i only know english
Chaang-Noi: a bit of spanish
andreas: see Chaang-Noi?
Chaang-Noi: i see the photo
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi so pick up some chick
andreas: That's what it's looks like if a flat in hamburg is open for rent.
Chaang-Noi: but lack context
Chaang-Noi: rent controlled?
andreas: 100 people want to take a look.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0155 = 1.55 BTC [-]
andreas: because there are so few appartments available in the bigger towns here.
jurov: yea, that's how he ended on deep hunsrueck
jurov: *in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.01595 = 0.1595 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yeah, so apparently germany does suck to live in.
mircea_popescu: people expecting you to accomodate them rather than bending over backwards for your comfort.
Chaang-Noi: hmm, honestly german girls are not really that hot for the most part
andreas: nah,,,I wouldn't say that in general...
andreas: the weather is not extreme...
andreas: no storms, floods etc in general...
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.46 = 2.92 BTC [-]
jurov: summers in germany suck... always cloudy
andreas: the whole infrastructure etc works...
andreas: no electricity problems, water supply problems etc.
jurov: yes carpathian basin is better clima-wise
andreas: I can walk in 5 mins to the next hospital.
mircea_popescu: andreas that is besides the point. who wants to live somewhere where "there are no apartments" ?
mircea_popescu: fu, get cracking, build more.
andreas: I said: in the middle of bigger towns, like munich,hamburg,berlin etc.
mircea_popescu: you mean like, downtown ?
andreas: in my hometown, you can find an appartment with no problems...
mircea_popescu: a. then i misunderstood. obviously city centre is a limited supply.
andreas: and you have to consider, that the economy still works quite well in germany.
andreas: that's why so many young folks from spain etc want to come here...
jurov: apparently finding a rent in vicinity of s-bahn outside city center is a problem, too
andreas: yeah...
andreas: even 20km outside of munich you'll have to pay > 500 euros to rent a small flat...
MJR_: hi everyone
davout: ohai
andreas: Hi!
MJR_: davout: meteor is a success
MJR_: i love this framework
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.01585 = 0.0951 BTC [-]
davout: it looked awesome in the demo
davout: did you manage to make some sort of access control/user management easily ?
Chaang-Noi: nice kako :)
Chaang-Noi: wait higher?
Chaang-Noi: that chart could be set to anything :)
MJR_: you can check out the alpha version at buttonwood.btcshares.com
MJR_: and no, i haven't implemented user accounts yet, that is the next phase
MJR_: after that geolocation features
mircea_popescu: MJR_ how did your central park orgy work out btw ?
MJR_: and then integrate with coinapult maybe
kakobrekla: not enough girls showed up
MJR_: mircea_popescu: it was union square park, and it went well
MJR_: kakobrekla:TRUE
mircea_popescu: you have to start a blog
MJR_: i have
mircea_popescu: or get some girl to blog for you
mircea_popescu: yes but in the old sense of the term
MJR_: blog.btchshares.com
mircea_popescu: here is how it went, here are pix, chronicle
mircea_popescu: blogs were originally historical record of sorts.
MJR_: blog.btcshares.com i will have the youtube video up there soon, as well as pics and a full recap
mircea_popescu: aha! coolness.
mircea_popescu: link here the recap when you get it
MJR_: i definitely will, i've been pretty tired, between work and trying to get the app working
MJR_: ny times wrote about it though
MJR_: i think financial times should have an article soon, i'm supposed to grab drinks with that reporter this weekend
Chaang-Noi: what was this?
MJR_: read blog :)
Chaang-Noi: it says server not found
Chaang-Noi: Firefox can't find the server at blog.btchshares.com. is the fail just me?
mircea_popescu: no, it's dns crapped out
andreas: mircea_popescu: are you a java coder?
mircea_popescu: a try btcshares
mircea_popescu: not btcsh
Chaang-Noi: then can some tell me what is going on? i lack context
MJR_: sorry that was wrong link
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.46 = 4.38 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: andreas nope, i don't code.
MJR_: blog.btcshares.com
Chaang-Noi: ok thanks
Chaang-Noi: i meet a guy in bkk to trade fiat for btc
Chaang-Noi: and one other guy who wanted to as well but had communications fail
truff1es: i-dont-no-biari-i-know-a-littel-java/ >> wonders if spelling mistake on purpose
andreas: I just hoped to find another Java coder...
Chaang-Noi: so AM mines 1000 btc a day now if id that math right
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00073496 = 4.9977 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00072822 = 0.1456 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: if they keep it up they might just top s.dice's best month
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00073518 = 3.1767 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7971 @ 0.00073531 = 5.8612 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6604 @ 0.00073578 = 4.8591 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00073594 = 8.6105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00073917 = 6.209 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00074042 = 1.8881 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18854 @ 0.00074251 = 13.9993 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: what is s dice best month?
Chaang-Noi: but anyway im surethis is the best ever stock from ipo just on dividends alone :)
Chaang-Noi: 1500% stock price is pretty epic as well
mircea_popescu: 20`007 btc in jan
Chaang-Noi: ahh we will kill that
Chaang-Noi: pretty damn sure we will be over 35,000 in may
Chaang-Noi: and then we need to add in the 10,000 units for sale at 2 btc each
Chaang-Noi: with all we are adding and the like id not be shocked if tehy paid out 50k btc this month
jurov: SELL: (CoinBr.iDiff-O):200 @ ฿0.11000000/ea wow someone is srs
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15178078 = 151.7808 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.15970416 = 159.7042 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov isthat 11mn diff ?
KRS-1: so good buys ridhgt now are sdice and asicminer
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes. on may 15.
mircea_popescu: might happen
Chaang-Noi: mp likes s dice, i dont, i like am but mp does not
jurov: they actually need 0.5-0.9% more than that,. to recoup bf fees
mircea_popescu: s.mpoe to rule them all!
Chaang-Noi: you wish :)
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i think atm by mkt cap its > s.dice and am together mwahaha
Chaang-Noi: mkt cap means shit to me
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only metric i care about.
jurov: threw some more iDiff-Os for 0.115 in, we'll see
Chaang-Noi: am is growing fast, s dice is falling fast
Chaang-Noi: lets see where we are in 6 months
mircea_popescu: in 6 months we will be at the realisation that am is a mining stock, and consequently it's capped.
ThickAsThieves: erik is still making branding and mktg mistakes
Chaang-Noi: and mp AM has [aid bak the ipo prioce like 3 times. s dice has not even once yet
mircea_popescu: won't take 6months either, 2 will be plenty.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi that is just a result of friedcat's woeful financial management.
Chaang-Noi: yeah 2 will be plenty
mircea_popescu: he sold 50% of asicminer for 20k btc worth like 150k usd
Chaang-Noi: yeah, he needed 150k
mircea_popescu: eric sold 10% of sdice for ~40k btc, worth like whatever, 4mn
mircea_popescu: this is why people with a clue list on mpex.
ThickAsThieves: mp, the problem with those stats
ThickAsThieves: is they have nothing to do with the actual business
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves tell you what. as an entrepreneur
ThickAsThieves: just the operator's front loaded income
mircea_popescu: would you rather sell half your business for 0.15 or 10% of it for 4 ?
Chaang-Noi: long term am is going to kill s dice as an investment:) no doubt
ThickAsThieves: thats not the argument
ThickAsThieves: you arguing for an individual
mircea_popescu: because only an idiot will take the worse deal.
ThickAsThieves: not a business
mircea_popescu: and this means deals select : idiots there, sane people here.
Chaang-Noi: friedcat was late int he game, his company was a long shot... s dice was already established
ThickAsThieves: friedcat is seizing the moment
ThickAsThieves: erik is seizing hooker's asses
mircea_popescu: nah. his time to seize the moment was when the girl said
jurov: there's no reason am's tech lead will stay more than few months
mircea_popescu: actually erik is engaged to this girl he;'s beeb with for what, 7-8 years now ?
ThickAsThieves: mp, so you think erik is managing his business better?
ThickAsThieves: as in, currently
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, i think he's just not as financially clueless as friedcat.
Chaang-Noi: jurov in 2 months we should have 200 th or more bfl cant get close tothat
mircea_popescu: the hard working farmer who didn't understand banks ended up poorer than the lazy guy who never worked.
ThickAsThieves: so on one hand erik is better at making money for himself, and the other friedcat is running his business better
mircea_popescu: not quite.
ThickAsThieves: like apple vs google
mircea_popescu: friedcat is quite apt at preventing his investors from realising their risk premiums
ThickAsThieves: google is much more agile
Chaang-Noi: as a share holder im happy with friedcat and would be pissed at eric, but i never bought in cuz i thought eric sold too high
mircea_popescu: erik is just getting a fair deal.
Chaang-Noi: i think erik sold to a bunch of suckers :)
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi well ya, but you're not exactly famed for having a clue so.
truff1es: eeek
mircea_popescu: selling for a right price != selling to a bunch of suckers.
ThickAsThieves: i think you have to decide which merits matter now
Chaang-Noi: erik did what was best for him, but in the long run i bet people who trusted him dont make their money back
mircea_popescu: it's a simple matter of you trying to make your shoestring into fabled riches.
truff1es: was that a general you or you being chaang?
mircea_popescu: this is not how economy works.
ThickAsThieves: how do you know that friedct isnt already thinking 10 steps ahead?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.429792 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: he's not stupid
mircea_popescu: and in general, there's always going to be this wild eyed "o, i will invest 100k into btc i expect 3475786895 billion"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.46 = 7.3 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this is just immaturity.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.429793 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: he was able to sell it, and that is great for him, im glad he did, but as some one who was looking to buy, i think he sold too high and the people who did give him money wont see it back, i could be wrong but i doubt it
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4299 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: he is positioned to be the definition of all that is bitcoin mining
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi and yet you don;t think 1.5 for am is too high.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.43 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you're pushing both ends of a strting here.
ThickAsThieves: erik is positioned to be the first bitcoin gambler
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4399 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves mining is a quite different business from gambling.
mircea_popescu: you can make, AT MOST, X btc mining.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there's no cap to how much gambling can be worth.
ThickAsThieves: thats why he will diversify
mircea_popescu: a casino irl goes for 10bn
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.45 = 4.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: yeah but erik is working too slowly
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if you have the time and curiosity, read warren buffett's discussion of his woes in the textile trade.
mircea_popescu: as a beginning investor he kinda shared some of your mistaken ideas/assumptions.
ThickAsThieves: AM doesnt just mine
ThickAsThieves: they sell miners
mircea_popescu: but the condensed moral is : it's never worth it to participate in a commodified business which is being actively researched
ThickAsThieves: and will probably remain market leader in both permanently
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.014675 = 0.1761 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: because you'll end up spending loads on new tech but your income is pretty much fixed (or even declining)
Chaang-Noi: sorry phone call
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the miners are only useful to mine.
mircea_popescu: ie, to compete with their core bvusiness.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.46 = 4.38 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: just as soon as the fool
ThickAsThieves: this also presumes there arent more ways he can diversify
mircea_popescu: 's margins are out
jurov: ThickAsThieves: you think am is like intel?
mircea_popescu: (ie, people willing to overpay just to feel warmly involved)
mircea_popescu: that business is dead.
Chaang-Noi: buying AM at 1.5 is not the same as buying at .1 i think AM was a long shot and might not have done as well as it did, but it did, and is turningout to be best btc investment evar
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi only if you get to sell.
mircea_popescu: you should have learned your lesson with pirate.
Chaang-Noi: mp i have sold some at 1.499
mircea_popescu: making bank is only good if you ever get to get it.
Chaang-Noi: what did i learn from pirate mp?
ThickAsThieves: also not that my position in AM is temporal
mircea_popescu: that making 1.5 out of .1 is ONLY GOOD if you actually take the 1.5
ThickAsThieves: I am selling them after all
Chaang-Noi: iv collected a lot more money from AM than i put in, and still hold a large amount
mircea_popescu: which is exactly what's going on here, by refusing his investors liquidity friedcat is fucking them in teh wazoo
Chaang-Noi: and mp lol that you think i know what happened with my accounts with pirate :)
mircea_popescu: course his investors are in general too clueless to realise, so he can manage to get away with it
ThickAsThieves: of course there is risk here
ThickAsThieves: like every investment
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's not the contention.
ThickAsThieves: its not like SDICE is less risky
Chaang-Noi: most of his investers are happy with a 300% dividend and a 1500% stock price
mircea_popescu: the contention is : am investors put in .1, took the risk, survived it.
ThickAsThieves: i think many investors are investing in the people
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.44 = 1.32 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and now... they can't sell because 1 unit sold moves the market
ThickAsThieves: not just mining
ThickAsThieves: sdice liquidity is actually worse tham AM
mircea_popescu: meanwhile clowns argue about how they're happy... well, no, they're stuck.
Chaang-Noi: mp AM is on like every exchange other than yours, and on some of them more than once
Chaang-Noi: it also sells otc
Chaang-Noi: AM is about the most liquid thing ever,
ThickAsThieves: i have a much harder time profiting from my sdice position
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi every exchange except mpex = every US state except rhodes island
mircea_popescu: lmao no way.
Chaang-Noi: thing is, if it was listed on yuor exchange i would never buy it, no account
mircea_popescu: you;'d prolly dabble in passthroughs,
mircea_popescu: which is adequate to your level anyway neh ?
ThickAsThieves: it's not fair to cloud the debate with insults
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: as to "most liquid". most liquid means 10k btc a day.
Chaang-Noi: its the only stock i hold at this point and its held direct with friedcat (other than some day trading with the pts)
mircea_popescu: it doth not mean 5k a month or w/e
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves people need to understand their place, otherwise goats will climb in the tree.
Chaang-Noi: lol mp is just jelly AMis best stock ever and they want nothing to do with him
ThickAsThieves: AM volume has been about 500-1200btc a day for a while now
Chaang-Noi: and he is sad cuz s dice is crashing and that was the only stock he had :/
mircea_popescu: !ticker bt asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 1.271 / 1.41753 / 1.49999 (1086 shares, 1539.4 BTC), 7D: 1.12 / 1.33266 / 1.49999 (2301 shares, 3066.5 BTC), 30D: 0.6269 / 1.14142 / 1.75 (7948 shares, 9072 BTC)
mircea_popescu: certainly better than nothing.
ThickAsThieves: plus havelock
ThickAsThieves: plus otc
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15737871 = 157.3787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.16558317 = 165.5832 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: plus my fractionals
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi i own millions of s.mpoe. it went from 2 to 70
Chaang-Noi: there are 5 or so pass throughs but most of the volume is OTc anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01565 = 0.0313 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this is still better than asicminer.
mircea_popescu: and this is why you need to be bitchslapped ocasionally, you forget reality in favour of your own fantasy
Chaang-Noi: but you cant sell 10% at 70 :)
Chaang-Noi: lol, controling the price of your own stock on your own exchange, lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, the moral of all this : amateur hour will keep us small.
truff1es: somebody's getting slapped
ThickAsThieves: i do think caution is important with AM
mircea_popescu: it's just about darned time everybody understands we;'re here to turn btc into a trillion dollar thing
Chaang-Noi: why TAT?
ThickAsThieves: but it's no easy argument saying they are not top 3 if not #1 btc biz
mircea_popescu: not so that X dood gets to turn his civic in for a rover.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they are in the top, somewhere between 2 and 3 atm.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.46 = 2.92 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: yeah, goats are pretty damn awesome
Chaang-Noi: we even shit oil
Chaang-Noi: The droppings of the goats contain the kernels of the seeds they consume which are, strangely enough, used by locals to press and grind into oil.
mircea_popescu: i am shocked and amazed how rapidly all that got resolved.
mircea_popescu: this chan may have a future.
jurov: Goat thinks his droppings contain seeds of truth.
mircea_popescu: lmao. somebody should make a droppings essence, market it as perfume
mircea_popescu: Eau du Truth
ThickAsThieves: or maybe his goat contains seeds of Chaang-Noi
Chaang-Noi: ill be back in 2 months when AM has 200th and bfl is bankrupt and getting sued :)
ThickAsThieves: you'll be back tomorrow, stop lyin
mircea_popescu: bfl is dead, there's no arguing that.
mircea_popescu: lol deadweasel bot keeping us appraised :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00072848 = 1.8212 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: look at that liquidity!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 80 @ 0.015 = 1.2 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00070757 / 0.00072405 / 0.00074251 (455958 shares, 330.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00068174 / 0.00071656 / 0.00076411 (1817468 shares, 1,302.34 BTC), 30D: 0.00064 / 0.00070525 / 0.00076528 (9997737 shares, 7,050.96 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: it actually is a pretty nice price for mpoe
mircea_popescu: i've not sold any in a while, the volume is lower but the price is on a definite uptrend
mircea_popescu: which is mildly concerning
ThickAsThieves: mp is gonna squash the price
ThickAsThieves: its too dam high again
mircea_popescu: nah, not planning to sell any for a while.
Chaang-Noi: btc price is stable... crazy
mircea_popescu: let's rub this in
mircea_popescu: ;;google btc not worth 100+ per stop buying
gribble: People! Bitcoin is not worth 100+ dollars per. STOP BUYING! pe ...: <http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/people-bitcoin-is-not-worth-100-dollars-per-stop-buying/>; a flaw in the 21 million BTC? - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136740.0>; KRAKEN.COM - US Exchange Opens Beta : Bitcoin - Reddit: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: o look, above btc talk dun dun dun
Chaang-Noi: i sold at 134 230 and 255 then 135 again, i want 70 or 80
Chaang-Noi: 50 would be3 awesome, i want more coins
Chaang-Noi: still not paid back reptiliia
mircea_popescu: i think lots of people do
ThickAsThieves: MPOE real depth: 15,507,117 shares bid0.00039496 avg price6124.63BTC total
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im not sure how trustworthy books are
mircea_popescu: in general, not just mpoe, not just mpex, not even just financials. mtgox book is puffy too
ThickAsThieves: just figured it be interesting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.0599 = 4.1198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.06 = 4.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.07 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.15 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: sell your HIM, buy ASICM!
kakobrekla: sell him buy her
jurov: ThickAsThieves stfu. we want puts!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is him mostly a little mining, some cash on hand and bfl preorders ?
ThickAsThieves: make me an offer jurov
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.0151 = 1.057 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: bearing in mind my resources are limited
ThickAsThieves: HIM is 50% reinvest
ThickAsThieves: started with FPGAs
ThickAsThieves: BFLs on order
ThickAsThieves: it fell when BFL didnt deliver, and now has risen that BFL tricked everyone again
KRS-1: how often are those dividends paid again?
ThickAsThieves: for HIM?
KRS-1: weekly?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.014675 = 0.1321 BTC [+]
KRS-1: him-asicminer
KRS-1: its a good value right now
ThickAsThieves: two different things
KRS-1: yes asicminer
ThickAsThieves: HIM pays monthly
ThickAsThieves: AM is weekly
ThickAsThieves: with some extras thrown in sometimes
KRS-1: thanks ill read up on those
ThickAsThieves: friedcat has hinted at quarterly payouts for larger side deals
ThickAsThieves: but i might be reading into it
mircea_popescu: afaik he was just testing the waters to see if he can move to monthly.
ThickAsThieves: he was referring to AM's reporting of financials
ThickAsThieves: and included this
ThickAsThieves: "How much have we spent and are they spent properly? How much have we gain via non-public big selling contracts? Most companies do this on a quarterly or yearly basis. We could and will also do this."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 23 @ 0.01565 = 0.36 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: so it's a bit wishy washy
ll: him just got some block erruptors too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 295 @ 0.0007423 = 0.219 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4702 @ 0.00074251 = 3.4913 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: topace mentioned that yesterday
ThickAsThieves: like 10 or so blades
ThickAsThieves: at 13GH ea
ll: 5
mircea_popescu: 65 gh ya
ThickAsThieves: i could swear he said more
mircea_popescu: not so much, but better than nothing
ll: ^^ thats them
ThickAsThieves: is that an emergency liquid-cooling pipe?
mircea_popescu: nice cooling lol
ThickAsThieves: oh it's a frame
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 8 @ 0.01579 = 0.1263 BTC [+]
ll: yeah diy frame
ThickAsThieves: much cleaner than my setup...
jborkl: Yeah, the PVC will not retain heat or be conductive, strong enough but still light weight. Good layout
mircea_popescu: actually, its a bad choice because it melts
mircea_popescu: and you don't want your structure melting
kakobrekla: it also burns
mircea_popescu: but for an ad interim works
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0151 = 0.0755 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.015 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.015 = 0.15 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sorta ontopic : the weirdest thing i know of is this miner who encased the boards in clay
mircea_popescu: has this sort of cabinet made out of clay.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01579 = 0.079 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: he won't let me take pictures, but the best part is he just waters it
mircea_popescu: (the outside)
ThickAsThieves: humidifier
mircea_popescu: apparently that thing can take out a shitton of heat that way
mircea_popescu: provided it's not high temperature
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.01579 = 0.1579 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15730002 = 157.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.16550667 = 165.5067 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so basically... options trading now pretty much works on the short side
KRS-1: 10-13 ghash for $5K? doesnt seem very good
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.46 = 7.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.014779 = 0.2069 BTC [+]
jurov: they should make miner with vaporizer :D
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15198693 = 151.9869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.15992594 = 159.9259 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.46 = 2.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.014779 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.465 = 4.395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0155 = 0.155 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0146 = 0.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.01452 = 2.178 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01451 = 1.451 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 155 @ 0.01450003 = 2.2475 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 560 @ 0.01450002 = 8.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 195 @ 0.0145 = 2.8275 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 26 @ 0.002976 = 0.0774 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0145 = 0.145 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.45 = 2.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.0155 = 0.2325 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 310 @ 0.0155 = 4.805 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.0147 = 0.1764 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0155 = 1.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.0145 = 1.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0144 = 0.0576 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01425 = 0.1425 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.42331 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4233 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.42321 = 9.9625 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4232 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.4231 = 5.6924 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.4231 = 7.1155 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4223 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.0143 = 7.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.01421002 = 7.105 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01421001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 73 @ 0.01421 = 1.0373 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 210 @ 0.0142 = 2.982 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1000 @ 0.0142 = 14.2 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: lol no volume
Chaang-Noi: onlything trading
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000697 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 2.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00074138 = 3.2991 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01475 = 0.0738 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.01479 = 0.1479 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0145 = 1.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01475 = 0.2213 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: omg that depth chart is scam, kbtc and kusd scales are independent
kakobrekla: i thought it was fishy.
MJR_: where?
kakobrekla: kusd scale changed
kakobrekla: from yest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0145 = 0.145 BTC [-]
Tykling: what does the output from assbot mean ?
mircea_popescu: [exchange] [stocl] [qty] @ [price] = [total] [change]
kakobrekla: oh yeah that
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.454 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.45 = 8.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01485 = 0.2228 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0149 = 0.0745 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: kako that is what i told you
Chaang-Noi: the scale is randomly set and means nothing
Chaang-Noi: like 8 hours ago...
Bugpowder: kakobrekla: yeah I noticed that when I refreshed
kakobrekla: no it means you need to take it into consideration
Bugpowder: last night
kakobrekla: Chaang-Noi hm i missed that somehow
Chaang-Noi: you said "it crossed" but i said that does not mean anything
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15185377 = 151.8538 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.15979648 = 159.7965 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3001 = 0.6002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.29 = 2.9 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: it was right after you said it crossed, but you did not respond to me
kakobrekla: dunno
Chaang-Noi: but its not a scam
Chaang-Noi: the scale is just set to best fit that data for that time, so when it crosses means nothing
Chaang-Noi: cuz we can make it cross when ever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 20 @ 0.0149 = 0.298 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: its as scam as i am a cunt.
Chaang-Noi: lol okay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0149 = 0.149 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.01485 = 7.425 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: so did you shop the cane to tortilla guy or what
Chaang-Noi: i paid him the 700
kakobrekla: i mean the pimp cane
kakobrekla: to go along with the hat
kakobrekla: whats with the face
kakobrekla: yeah i know reptile guy but meh
mircea_popescu: is that guy still supernoding ?
Chaang-Noi: i think he is doing it now
kakobrekla: this one is nice too
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr is on vacation and the new girls are fucking clueless
mircea_popescu: so i have no idea like what's what on the trollboard.
mircea_popescu: ahaha kickass
kakobrekla: i just found out today im in scammers parts of the forum lol
mircea_popescu: you're wut ?
Chaang-Noi: scammers part of the forum?
kakobrekla: just hit page 2 so aparently its done.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4035 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: oh lol
kakobrekla: i mean dead
Chaang-Noi: i was called a scammer once, my scam was i called nefario a scammer, the the guy who called me a scammer got scammed by nefario and appoligized... id not worry kako
kakobrekla: i do not
kakobrekla: its resolved before it got to my attention
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.01469 = 0.1028 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01511999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01512 = 0.378 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: did bfl eventually deliver to anyone btw ?
mircea_popescu: seeing how iirc kakobrekla was called a scammer for the bitbet april bet
mircea_popescu: no but i mean tio people.
mircea_popescu: not to press contacts/shills
kakobrekla: see second link
Chaang-Noi: mp yes some people have them
kakobrekla: 1 according to the list :D
Chaang-Noi: scared got one
Chaang-Noi: james got one
Chaang-Noi: some other press people did
mircea_popescu: all i see there is no
kakobrekla: i see one yes
Chaang-Noi: i know personally two people not on that list who have one unit
kakobrekla: ;:bc,stats
mircea_popescu: 9812013/03/0720265Yes0020bitcoinerS
mircea_popescu: da fuck ?
jurov: kakobrekla: another bitstamp lameness: http://imgur.com/a/yg9UH
kakobrekla: hm which part?
jurov: part 9953
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.24795 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;google part 9953
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assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.469 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1821 @ 0.00072848 = 1.3266 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4170 @ 0.00072823 = 3.0367 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00072822 = 4.4421 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5109 @ 0.00072593 = 3.7088 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 16 @ 1.47 = 23.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01512 = 0.378 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.469 = 5.876 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 14 @ 0.01512 = 0.2117 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.01512 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol this shows promise
mircea_popescu: "since you have free money, give everyone some"
benkay: hey! whatchall think about btcd?
kakobrekla: i wonder if the got spec
benkay: whaddaya mean by got spec?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 14 @ 0.00999 = 0.1399 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1000 @ 0.00997 = 9.97 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: benkay tell us about it ?
benkay: bitcoin port in go
benkay: hilarious pull quotes:
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.424001 BTC [-]
benkay: "in the process found issues with unit tests, non portable functions..."
benkay: written by professionals
benkay: who don't laugh like apes when someone says "unit test"
benkay: "all code can and shall have test coverage"
benkay: squee
benkay: all of the squee, you guys
benkay: and this was done because someone cared
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00093 BTC [-]
benkay: wtf does xchat not support multiple connections?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1000 @ 0.00092 = 0.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0009 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 300 @ 0.00085 = 0.255 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.014679 = 0.1028 BTC [-]
benkay: derp derp derp
truff1es: herp
benkay: anyways
benkay: they're publishing this, notionally data extracted from their client
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.468 = 5.872 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: 18:57.32 ( kakobrekl ) do you have any spec written? im asking because bitcoind does not
kakobrekla: 18:57.49 ( @marco ) that is a tough question
kakobrekla: 18:57.57 ( @jy-p ) if you check out the godoc and comments, btcwire encodes a lot of the spec-related info
kakobrekla: 18:57.58 ( @marco ) bitcoind is the spec essentially
kakobrekla: 18:58.08 ( @marco ) we have documented heavily along the way
kakobrekla: 18:58.18 ( kakobrekl ) so thats a no then?
kakobrekla: 18:58.28 ( @marco ) it is looking like we will help getting the spec in order once development slows down a little
kakobrekla: 18:58.36 ( @marco ) it's a half no
kakobrekla: 18:58.55 ( @jy-p ) we obviously don't have a draft RFC :)
kakobrekla: 18:59.10 ( @dhill ) if you run godoc, that will give you a lot of information
benkay: cool!
benkay: what are your thoughts on their response?
kakobrekla: my thoughs are : i hope they beat bitcoind guys to it
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 18 @ 0.003165 = 0.057 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.468 BTC [+]
benkay: to a spec?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.468 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: they seem to be capable
benkay: is bitcoind team actively working on a spec?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.44 BTC [-]
truff1es: benkay would u say its perfect time for a nap?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.431 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.430501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.0149 = 0.745 BTC [-]
benkay: truff1es only your body can tell you that
thestringpuller: now havelock has it's own ASICM passthru?
thestringpuller: Asicminer is officially for hipsters.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: any new articles?
deadweasel: rich hipsters
benkay: bitcoin: officially for hipsters
deadweasel: which are rare
ThickAsThieves: the ASICM on Havelock is an extension of the fractional AM assets I have on Bitfunder and BTCT
mircea_popescu: just finished it.
benkay: as I said to a lady last night: "banks offer returns. students don't. end of story"
thestringpuller: reading trilema when I should be studying: Priceless
truff1es: students affect long term economy of a nation
thestringpuller: BTW mircea_popescu senator elizabeth warren is HOTT
benkay: trilema's probably a better education than whatever you're studying, thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: benkay read that article srsly :D
benkay: not to kiss ass or anything
benkay: i ams, mp, I ams.
mircea_popescu: so that explains the coincidence lol
truff1es: have yet to read a full article on there..
truff1es: the words, theyre too
truff1es: something
benkay: really? they're rarely in excess of 2k words
truff1es: i make it a sentence or 2
benkay: I hope that Mencius Moldbug engages with you on this one, MP
truff1es: i dont even do that now since im blocked
truff1es: or on his ignore
mircea_popescu: benkay he's already got one he carefully avoids lol
thestringpuller: Trilema is a differenet subject than I'm studying.
thestringpuller: I'd love to see mircea_popescu write an article on operating systems, or HLSL
benkay: as in topic of bitcoin?
benkay: homie
benkay: get a job as a jr sysadmin
benkay: or devops monkey as they're called
thestringpuller: Been there, done that.
benkay: wait wat
benkay: and you're back in school?
thestringpuller: I'm forever in school.
mircea_popescu: ya what ?
thestringpuller: It's my limbo.
benkay: wat wat wat
thestringpuller: I'm in limbo yo!
benkay: did you fail out of the job market?
thestringpuller: No, like mircea_popescu, I am "a difficult student".
thestringpuller: I ask too many questions.
thestringpuller: Question too much authority.
benkay: it's a shame you didn't find a shop where that kind of spirit is encouraged
pgp: interesting - only 43k volume in last 24h... VERY light trading...
benkay: ready for a rollover?
benkay: << doesn't know what he's saying
pgp: yes, I think so
thestringpuller: benkay: I did find a shop where that is encouraged. Too bad capitalist countries don't condone true entrepreneurship
thestringpuller: I think mircea_popescu is one of the flagship authors on the subject of "pop-culture entrepreneurship in the land of capitalism"
benkay: what is 'true entrepreneurship'?
benkay: and how were you fucked for practicing it?
truff1es: are you libertarian should be the 1st question
thestringpuller: the key to true entrepreneurship means solving a legitimate problem
thestringpuller: pop culture entrepreneurship involves creating a problem that really doesn't exist and marketing a solution to it, to grab the next round of funding from the daddy figure you never had growing up
pgp: yes... not an "invented" problem...
jurov: ThickAsThieves, I would use some other word than "fractional".. it may have unwanted associations :D
benkay: sure!
benkay: but that works all the time in america
benkay: see: New Relic
jurov: but it would be rather clever, selling same asicminer shares on multiple places :D
thestringpuller: who was that guy who sold matches...
benkay: Heroku
benkay: Github
benkay: Tesla
benkay: all these all also fall into the bucket of "bullshit we do to make more bullshit for idiots"
thestringpuller: Github is technically useful, but I see where you are going.
thestringpuller: Tesla is still too young.
benkay: "technically useful" bro has you ever done the distributed teams thing?
thestringpuller: Yup. Using SVN
thestringpuller: we begged for github
benkay: github eliminates massive comms overhead
truff1es: what are we talking about?
benkay: tech stuff you're not interested.
benkay: actually *biz* stuff, but w/e
truff1es: i am if i know what it is
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.430501 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: so github is like puppet labs
thestringpuller: in how they provide value
benkay: another huge value creator
truff1es: is thestringpuller libertarianian?
thestringpuller: you could either build the automation yourself, or buy it from someone else.
truff1es: -ian
thestringpuller: That's how Atlassian became so big in under a decade.
benkay: I'm missing the last pieces in how you got fucked for practicing some sort of atypical entrepreneurship.
truff1es: if i ask 3rd time does that mean im really really really interested in the answer hmm
benkay: if you ask infinity times does it matter?
thestringpuller: I'm not very political.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> pop culture entrepreneurship involves creating a problem that really doesn't exist and marketing a solution to it, to grab the next round of funding from the daddy figure you never had growing up << amazinglty apt summary
truff1es: it does for our lil discussion here
benkay: liberal, democrat, libertarian are all moronic simplifications
benkay: no human with opinions worth paying attention to is a strict any one of those
benkay: except maybe MM with his "reactionary" thing
truff1es: <thestringpuller> I'm not very political.>>> what does this even mean, u dont vote?
thestringpuller: My political discourse usually involves: allowing people to have a choice, vs. not allowing them to make a choice.
thestringpuller: which is oversimplified
benkay: mencius modbug. if you can't handle MP, you really can't handle MM.
benkay: derp of derp course it's derp over derplified
benkay: the only way to understand someone's politics is to fucking talk to them about things that are not politics
benkay: well, things that are related to the real world
BitHub: satoshi - the father figure we've all been waiting for
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01413 = 0.1413 BTC [-]
jurov: /o\
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01413 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01412 = 0.0706 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: benkay moldbug never says nigger tho
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0141 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: it's weird to hear a non american use that word
BitHub: ^django unchained fault
truff1es: <benkay> mencius modbug. if you can't handle MP, you really can't handle MM.>>>> why doeth thou thinket that i cannot handlet him?
benkay: a bet
benkay: a hunch
benkay: originating in the murkey intuitive parts of my brain
benkay: murky*
truff1es: its hard to handle if they have no balls to speak back to u, u know
benkay: thestringpuller I am genuinely interested in the series of events that pushed you back into the ivory tower
thestringpuller: ivory tower?
truff1es: uni life
benkay: mircea_popescu: he has a different agenda. using that word would drive off the soft-minded he's trying to implant viral ideas into.
truff1es: i am too
thestringpuller: I've always been here
thestringpuller: Since 06
thestringpuller: I am a difficult student
pgp: who is going to bitcoin conference?
thestringpuller: so they make it difficult to graduate
benkay: i am!
mircea_popescu: benkay exactly.
pgp: me too
mircea_popescu: im impressed you know this tho. how'd you figure it ?
benkay: it's not obvious?
truff1es: Mencius is a contraian, how could i hate that
mircea_popescu: it is obvious
benkay: that word fries circuits in america.
mircea_popescu: this is a prime reason to suspect nobody sees it.
benkay: MM wants functional brain circuitry.
benkay: he just wants to perform low-level hardware attacks on complete systems.
benkay: you, I don't think, care terribly about keeping the systems you operate on intact.
benkay: understanding (again, I think) that there's an infinite well of humans who might receive your ideas.
jurov: guys, who is this moldbug? some mythical figure?
mircea_popescu: this is an interesting aprpoach.
mircea_popescu: jurov unqualified reservations @ blogspot
truff1es: i appreciate good writing...
benkay: but do you appreciate good ideas?
benkay: independent of the writing?
mircea_popescu: if it's not clear, what i was saying is obvious is the observation that "he's trying to implant viral ideas into"
mircea_popescu: kinda why i don't like the guy's blog.
mircea_popescu: yet another marketeering blog ? such a waste of time.
truff1es: umm would be difficult for me, unless its like unique or awesome..
benkay: har
benkay: he's marketeering new paradigms to undermine the legitimacy of the USG. I can get behind that.
mircea_popescu: i like honest people.
benkay: you push the 'life is all domination and submission at all scales' trip
thestringpuller: best investment advice ever: http://i.imgur.com/aRZvMZ6.jpg
mircea_popescu: benkay only in those parts where "common agreement" diverges too much towards "lalala i can make it so"
benkay: sorry, mp, I don't understand what you're getting at.
truff1es: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZluMysK2B1E gee wiz does he not know how to get an idea out concisely..
mircea_popescu: i push the submission/dominance trip in those fields where people are totally off the deep end with the "i can do everything" and "agreement makes it real" nonsense
truff1es: i guess i cant be too hard on mp, English is his 2nd language right
benkay: mircea_popescu, where's the dishonesty in MM's work?
mircea_popescu: take the cybernetic analogy.
mircea_popescu: if you want to get the borgs to revolt, it's one way to tell the borgs here's what you are, here's how things work, get fucked
mircea_popescu: it's nother to try and get a virus on
mircea_popescu: now. pick the honest approach.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00335 = 3.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4101 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.41 = 2.87 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.40340001 = 6.051 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00072752 = 11.6403 BTC [+]
jurov: "I promise - this is my last Bitcoin post. I fear it attracts low-quality traffic."
truff1es: spammers?
benkay: now, MP, what if the borgs are so thoroughly programmed that their filters just escape anything that threatens the binary?
benkay: (to get excessively nerdy with the metaphors)
benkay: sure honesty is great
benkay: but if you need to break through a firewall...
asciilifeform: benkay: moldbug doesn't work on the masses. and he never intended to. his "red pill" is for the intellectually-curious/adventurous, by his own admission.
benkay: who are nonetheless *thoroughly* programmed.
asciilifeform: nowhere on this planet are the unprogrammed to be found en masse.
truff1es: maybe some tribes?
asciilifeform: hence his "red pill" analogy. you need to be someone whose programming is already hickupping to benefit from the pill.
truff1es: he's too verbose and repetitive..
benkay: sure. i hold that "honesty" is incompatible with his goals, which are to further derail already degrading programming.
jurov: he seems to go into lengthy elaborations only to end each article "usg will kill it anyway"
benkay: I don't know that MP cares about convincing a small slice of the American technocracy that the USG is broken and/or dying.
benkay: jurov, I think that's a meta-joke. "none of this matters anyways because the thing I'm trying to tell you ruins your life regularly will ruin your life about this as well."
truff1es: well writing betrays intent, if you cant convey the idea well it just falls flat
benkay: just 'cause you can't parse the idea doesn't mean anything, truff1es.
mircea_popescu: benkay i don't care.
benkay: see?!
truff1es: that is clear to me
mircea_popescu: tbh, it probably could be said that unlike the moldbug fellow i have the advantage of not reallty giving a shiot avbout the us government
truff1es: his writings are turrble
KRS-1: folks starting to predict sub $90 dollar market price now
mircea_popescu: but then again his caring is what'll perpetuate it, if even in the negative
KRS-1: idk bout that htough
mircea_popescu: much like the red marking on the girl's ass perpetuates the switch vibration long after the switch has rested.
benkay: wat
benkay: the mark does nothing
benkay: it's an indicator.
benkay: that a thing happened.
jcpham: can invest in Tesla yet with my bitcoins directly
mircea_popescu: ya. the thing is there, in the negative.
jcpham: or do i have to keep waiting
mircea_popescu: the apple carries your bite sort of thing
jcpham: tesla should just a bitcoin client in the car
jcpham: accidentally a word
truff1es: should just ?
benkay: I am not following at all, mp.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> nowhere on this planet are the unprogrammed to be found en masse. << unprogramming is actually trivially simple to do. takes about two weeks.
jcpham: put
mircea_popescu: benkay so ask a question.
benkay: trying to work one up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.0147 = 0.0882 BTC [-]
truff1es: benkay ure proving my points over and over heh
jurov: jcpham, why? for better nerdgasm?
jcpham: nerdgasm all over the batteries
jcpham: for sure
truff1es: <benkay> just 'cause you can't parse the idea doesn't mean anything, truff1es. >>> means something imo
jcpham: sorry i'm not paying attention to your conversation
jcpham: looks like a lot of words
truff1es: there are 3 different topics going on at least
mircea_popescu: jcpham you;'re such a week troll you know :D
jcpham: good
jcpham: unicorns
jcpham: it's weak fuckhead
jcpham: not week like 7 days
jurov: okay jcpham, go back polishing your tesla.. oh moment, before that tell me, did elon apologize to ny times?
jurov: i have a bet
jcpham: where's tiberiusv
mircea_popescu: he did didn't he ?
jcpham: bring him out
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.438511 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 112.05000, Best ask: 112.67230, Bid-ask spread: 0.62230, Last trade: 112.05000, 24 hour volume: 33089.17796065, 24 hour low: 108.80000, 24 hour high: 115.21589, 24 hour vwap: 112.07752
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.430511 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4305 = 2.861 BTC [-]
jcpham: mircea_popescu channel is sausage party
jurov: i doubt assbot wants to admint tiberiusiv for third time
jurov: after two bans
mircea_popescu: he got banned ?!
jcpham: someone got baned from here
jcpham: wow
truff1es: if most pplhave him on ignore then???
jurov: yes, he got
jcpham: did he call kakobrekla a cnut
truff1es: he was upset that addicts pat themselves on the back for kicking their habits
jurov: ;;seen tiberiusiv
gribble: tiberiusiv was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <tiberiusiv> you cant read english paragraphs
truff1es: said person put him on ignore so..
jcpham: he gets upset when poor people speak
jborkl: he got klined or banned
truff1es: ppl in this room get upset when ppl dont adore them
mircea_popescu: the former is not much of an acxcomplishment
jurov: truff1es that includes you
benkay: zing!
truff1es: rly when?
truff1es: im prob on the least liked list
benkay: nah trufs don't need adoration, just attention
jurov: i luke truffles (no homo)
benkay: not getting enough at home i warrant
jurov: *like
truff1es: 3> jurov
truff1es: <benkay> not getting enough at home i warrant>>> ha
mircea_popescu: lol is the no homo because of luke or truffles ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.0147 = 0.0735 BTC [-]
jurov: no comment
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.464899 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4649 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [+]
truff1es: benkay on 2nd thoughts, its hockey season
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.014675 = 0.1468 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.014678 = 0.044 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 27 @ 0.014679 = 0.3963 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15511341 = 155.1134 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.16330751 = 163.3075 BTC [+]
truff1es: how many teams will beat team usa hmmm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.0147 = 0.5145 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0147 = 0.0588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.014679 = 0.1908 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00072752 = 3.4557 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: more articles please
thestringpuller: nothing left to read on trilemma :P
thestringpuller: i see how it is
mircea_popescu: i have your subscription nao so lalala
truff1es: (its free btw)
thestringpuller: BUT I WANT MOAR
thestringpuller: I NEED MOAR TRILEMA!!!!
mircea_popescu: hit the title, it reads a random article
mircea_popescu: prolly in romanian.
thestringpuller: so how do I know you aren't a vampire?
thestringpuller: or related to dracula?
mircea_popescu: well... i don't like girls on the rag...
mod6: haha
TomServo: mircea_popescu: what was so loathsome about Guatemala?
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure where to begin.
mircea_popescu: just, retarded peeps.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.014679 = 0.0734 BTC [+]
TomServo: fair enough
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what do you think of the match king?
truff1es: probably has nothing to do with Spanish being the official language
mircea_popescu: dunno what that is
thestringpuller: Ivar Kreuger
mircea_popescu: but i'd rather have a match than a lighter
thestringpuller: this was before lighters
thestringpuller: matches rule
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072607 = 3.1373 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway. murky 1900s stuff.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9845 @ 0.00072593 = 7.1468 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 112.98000, Best ask: 113.34397, Bid-ask spread: 0.36397, Last trade: 113.34398, 24 hour volume: 32826.20339078, 24 hour low: 108.80000, 24 hour high: 115.21589, 24 hour vwap: 112.01367
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.009 = 0.018 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00072622 = 3.138 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8196 @ 0.00072593 = 5.9497 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00071973 = 3.7786 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 998 @ 0.0007181 = 0.7167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00071367 = 5.5666 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00071 = 7.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3453 @ 0.00070978 = 2.4509 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5521 @ 0.00070758 = 3.9065 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1361 @ 0.00070674 = 0.9619 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.466 = 7.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.484599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 21 @ 1.4846 = 31.1766 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: BUY MPOE
thestringpuller: BUY BUY BUY
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 52 @ 0.0148 = 0.7696 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2998 = 0.5996 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.0149 = 0.2235 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.0149 = 0.5215 BTC [+]
b0n1: boring market...
b0n1: wanna see some action... mircea_popescu what about buying 5000 BTC on market order ?
mircea_popescu: action is bad for business.
b0n1: boring...
b0n1: pushing it up to 150 would be good for business too
b0n1: feels like everybody fell asleep watching the market
mircea_popescu: boring is the idea.
mircea_popescu: boring pushes worhtless speculators out and actual business in.
mircea_popescu: this is kinda what we want to happen.
b0n1: yeah i know
mircea_popescu: kinda sucked all the benefit from speculators dry, got the press, that pie is eaten.
mircea_popescu: the game now is being boring.
b0n1: but couldnt this happen a bit more up?
taub: just wait
taub: congestion is followed by moves
mircea_popescu: well anything could jhappen
taub: we're off my prophecy
taub: nobody is save now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 35 @ 0.01499 = 0.5247 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.015 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 15 @ 0.01512 = 0.2268 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ok this kicks ass
mircea_popescu: apparently they aren't related to the pumping ?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.01512 = 0.1361 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01673 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 49 @ 0.01674 = 0.8203 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01519 = 0.3798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.1056 = 0.528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01674 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 12 @ 0.01519 = 0.1823 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 50 @ 0.01776 = 0.888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.01519 = 0.0304 BTC [+]
b0n1: i think there has to happen something to influence more people foreign to btc. Cant imagine that without an event with greater impact the market could go out of this quietness
jborkl: <BFL_StevenM> New chip/board status: not arriving tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: lol jborkl
jborkl: socking news eh?
jborkl: shocking
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 39 @ 0.0152 = 0.5928 BTC [+]
b0n1: mircea_popescu, whats you oppinion on future market movements?
mircea_popescu: i dunno ?
thestringpuller: b0n1: translation: he doesn't care
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.01519 = 0.1671 BTC [-]
benkay: "the only thing feeps shear is being left out"
benkay: u don sae
thestringpuller: ideally I would think mircea_popescu would want the price to be stable more than anything, despite the spot price
mircea_popescu: well simply put if people can't do business in btc people won't do business in btc
dub: jborkl: what channel is that from?
jborkl: I got it from a private channel, and reposted it
jborkl: not directed at me
jcpham: jborkl: just two more weeks!
jborkl: shit, I have been saying that since November
mircea_popescu: no fucking way two weeks ?
jborkl: I don't think so, I think I will not see anything - minimum 1 month
jborkl: most likely longer
benkay: b0n1: mp is running a a financial operation that makes money when the market stays flat. he'll want the market to stay flat.
jborkl: that is just what I am thinking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3639 @ 0.00070674 = 2.5718 BTC [-]
benkay: actually, this might be a good time to subscribe to an MPOE bond issuance.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2661 @ 0.0007058 = 1.8781 BTC [-]
benkay: you if you're crazy and desire absurd returns and don't care about wacky principal writedowns...
thestringpuller: benkay: actually mpoe bonds are sometimes good during volatility...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 11 @ 0.0152 = 0.1672 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: it's only when the volatility is so extreme that insuring against price momvements is like trying to provide flood insurance during the great flood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.0144 = 0.0288 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.015 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01480001 = 2.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 109 @ 0.0148 = 1.6132 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.01460001 = 2.92 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 161 @ 0.0146 = 2.3506 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 70 @ 0.0145 = 1.015 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 192 @ 0.01440001 = 2.7648 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <benkay> b0n1: mp is running a a financial operation that makes money when the market stays flat. << this isn't actually right
mircea_popescu: atm the market is flat and im making a ton because people shortsold.
thestringpuller: why did people short sell?
mircea_popescu: prolly in anticipation of big moves
thestringpuller: I think people short sold because buying was too expensive.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.1056 = 0.3168 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.476999 BTC [-]
benkay: mircea_popescu how would you describe the underwriting operation?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 17 @ 0.1057 = 1.7969 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bonds make money when the option traders are wrong
mircea_popescu: option traders make money *(from the bonds) when they are right
mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter if flat, up, down.
mircea_popescu: it just matters if right or wrong
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.477 = 2.954 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.0007058 = 2.6115 BTC [-]
benkay: thanks, mp
benkay: hence why the bot takes it hard during months of huge moves
benkay: makes some guesses about where price will end up based on whatever, and when those numbers are exceeded and there are options traders on the other side...
mircea_popescu: sometimes it makes a killing, like the 10k in jan or w./e it was
mircea_popescu: sometimes it gets hammered, like the 15k in march
mircea_popescu: such it goes.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01799 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 2.24 = 6.72 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the value of the capital structure of course being that risk is correctly distributed so as to not generate the sort of problems irl banks have
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0146 = 0.073 BTC [-]
benkay: what is the structure of afk banks, and the risk distribution therein?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2.3 = 4.6 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: benkay: MPOE bot doesn't hold capital
benkay: I understand the MPEx/MPOE structure fairly well, tsp.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.478 = 2.956 BTC [-]
benkay: it's the contrast I'm lacking detail on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 240 @ 0.0033 = 0.792 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00071189 = 0.3559 BTC [+]
benkay: apologies for interrupting. please continue.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: nah i misread what you said lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 2.26 = 11.3 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pretty cool pizzaman1337 stuff!
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.0146 = 0.0876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4285 @ 0.0007058 = 3.0244 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4465 @ 0.00070254 = 3.1368 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 2.0001 = 20.001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 4 @ 0.0148 = 0.0592 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.29999999 = 0.9 BTC [+]
benkay: mircea_popescu: what is the risk distribution and capital structure of afk banks you avoided with the MPEx structuring?
mircea_popescu: benkay irl you mean ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 2.0001 = 12.0006 BTC [-]
benkay: sure
benkay: semantics
benkay: (as if to imply these conversations and businesses are not real...)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.4769 = 5.9076 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: irl banks aspire to the vaunted "tbtf" status, which means their mpoe bondholders are the taxpayers, and the interest rate is fixed
mircea_popescu: and very low.
benkay: gotcha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2998 = 0.8994 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: hey you.
iz: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.3 = 0.9 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !l m s.dice
assbot: Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.0033 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4769 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 80 @ 0.0152 = 1.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4769 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.434001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.434 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.431001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10885 @ 0.00070254 = 7.6471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00070133 = 6.6626 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4223 @ 0.00069905 = 2.9521 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 358 @ 0.0152 = 5.4416 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.476499 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.0152 = 7.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 512 @ 0.0152 = 7.7824 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.01525 = 1.525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 687 @ 0.01525 = 10.4768 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 420 @ 0.0155 = 6.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1057 = 0.2114 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 45 @ 0.10597 = 4.7687 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01525 = 0.3813 BTC [-]
topace__: !ticker h asicm
assbot: [HAVELOCK:ASICM] 1D: 0.01290000 / 0.01446685 / 0.01595000 (24785 shares, 358.56083442 BTC), 7D: 0.01290000 / 0.01446563 / 0.01595000 (24805 shares, 358.81983442 BTC), 30D: 0.01290000 / 0.01446563 / 0.01595000 (24805 shares, 358.81983442 BTC)
topace__: whoop
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 500 @ 0.01445 = 7.225 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 225 @ 0.01440001 = 3.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.0144 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: anyone here good with javascript?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.015 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.476394 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.476395 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 1 @ 0.015 BTC [+]
WILLdude: This is a really dumb question, but if more people buy ASICminer shares, would I get less dividends?
WILLdude: Are more ASICminer shares constantly being introduced?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4764 = 2.9528 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: there are a fixed amount of shares
WILLdude: Oh alright.
mircea_popescu: welcome to assets, WILLdude
lyspooner: what if he meant indirectly
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.476 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: every asicminer shares always gets equal payout
ThickAsThieves: if you buy your shares from an exchange, some of the operators do take a % as a management fee
ThickAsThieves: each operator has their own details for how they manage their asset
WILLdude: Were the recent dividends unusually high?
ThickAsThieves: yes and no
ThickAsThieves: they were higher than normal
ThickAsThieves: but because they have grown faster than normal
ThickAsThieves: this growth may continue
ThickAsThieves: if they stick to the plan
ThickAsThieves: it may actually go up
ThickAsThieves: but long term it could go down too
aneeshmehta: hey I'm looking to potentially do some OTC exotic options, if anyone has any interest/input hit me up
ThickAsThieves: it's all up to how they manage the business and profits
mircea_popescu: we need blogs discussing these things ;/
mircea_popescu: aneeshmehta nobody does "exostic options" for the sake of them being exotic.
ThickAsThieves: there is an ASICMINER for dummies thread I think
ThickAsThieves: that tries to sum things up
mircea_popescu: blogs are so much better than threads tho
ThickAsThieves: the official thread is a nightmare
ThickAsThieves: liek 50000000 pages
dub: that furkinap(?) dude has a blog post about buing ma
dub: buying*
aneeshmehta: mircea_popescu thanks I get that, that's why I'm looking OTC
WILLdude: Is there a reasonably good chance that I'd at least get my investment returned?
ThickAsThieves: from dividends alone?
ThickAsThieves: unlikely
ThickAsThieves: but you could collect dividends
ThickAsThieves: then sell your shares
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4764 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: and possibly make profit
ThickAsThieves: just depends on what the share price does
ThickAsThieves: lately its going up still
ThickAsThieves: if divs are even higher next week
ThickAsThieves: itll keep going up
WILLdude: I might buy into it soon.
ThickAsThieves: you just have to be in front of the wave
ThickAsThieves: to avoid a wipe out ;)
WILLdude: Meaning?
dub: you should keep in mind that nobody knows who AM are, they are operating an illegal business in a country with no real laws
WILLdude: Really?
dub: the risk is a lot higher than any conventional investment
mircea_popescu: at current prices they'd have to mine ~500k btc in ordeer to pay you back from divs.
mircea_popescu: that's about 20k blocks
ThickAsThieves: dub is the devil on your shoulder, my role as angel is done
mircea_popescu: they may make dough from selling gear, they may havenses,
mircea_popescu: they may encounter problems of all sorts, it's a tossup
ThickAsThieves: btc itself is a risk
benkay: yo dawg i herd u liek risk
ThickAsThieves: once you start investing
ThickAsThieves: you start piling on risks
benkay: so i incorporated some businesses in your bitcoin space to pile risk on your risk so you can invest while you invest
WILLdude: I'm only planning on 0.5 btc worth of investement.
benkay: gamble while you gable
WILLdude: *investment
mircea_popescu: well the worst hat can happen to .5 btc worth of investment
ThickAsThieves: benkay, that's not risky enough for me
mircea_popescu: is that you lose a nice meal
mircea_popescu: (at like mendy's)
ThickAsThieves: riskception
dub: for people like me that bought AM at <US$1 the risk is a lot less than those buying in now at >$150
ThickAsThieves: if you say so...
ThickAsThieves: you have justa s much to lose
dub: how do you figure?
ThickAsThieves: its worth what its worth 100% loss for you = the same total loss as anyone else
ThickAsThieves: you are just losing "profit"
dub: but I've already recouped many times over
mircea_popescu: you two have a nice accounting dispute started
mircea_popescu: the equivalent of semantics but with monyz
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.4769 = 2.9538 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: if you have a million bucks in the back
ThickAsThieves: and $50 falls out your pocket
ThickAsThieves: you lost $50
ThickAsThieves: if i have $100 in the bank
ThickAsThieves: and $50 falls out my pocket
ThickAsThieves: I lost $50
lyspooner: is your pocket at the bank?
ThickAsThieves: i made my point
ThickAsThieves: not gonna belabor it
dub: it makes no sense to me but you made it
ThickAsThieves: you are just finding justifications for your loss
ThickAsThieves: its still a oss
ThickAsThieves: rather, rationalizations
dub: its a loss of potential profit well over and above the profit I've already made
mircea_popescu: lyspooner the other pocket is at the bank
ThickAsThieves: mp, dont you have some sort of hooker analogy for this?
mircea_popescu: im all hookered out.
dub: say I call and order two hookers but three show up, I bust a load on six titties
dub: they havent left yet but they could at any time
ThickAsThieves: these hookers charge up front
dub: you're saying when they leave I lose?
ThickAsThieves: dont they?
dub: yes
ThickAsThieves: which means if they leave before you bust your nut
ThickAsThieves: youre fucked
dub: I've alreeady nutted three times
mircea_popescu: this is a very bad analogy. very very bad analogy.
ThickAsThieves: it matches his presumption
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0146 = 0.146 BTC [-]
dub: make a blog about bad analogies
ThickAsThieves: how did you nut?
ThickAsThieves: you have to sell shares to nut
dub: at the moment I'm up at least 1.5 jizzloads
iz: what happens if you re-invest the dividends that come out of your shares?
ThickAsThieves: you get extra nut
ThickAsThieves: your nut gets bigger
ThickAsThieves: i suspect i'm being trolled here
dub: I srsly don't see your point
ThickAsThieves: your shares are worth X dollars
ThickAsThieves: you dont get that X
mircea_popescu: dub it's like this : if you lose what you were merely promised or what you actually owned,
ThickAsThieves: unless you sell
dub: I have more BTC out (from divs) than I put in, I still have the shares that are worth many many more times what I bought for
mircea_popescu: from a certain equitable perspective to present valuer you lose the same.
mircea_popescu: this because the difference between ownership and promise is nil
mircea_popescu: (they both being a promise of performance made by the world at large)
mircea_popescu: this is why it's called equitable, because it equates
mircea_popescu: this is the root of the word equity too
dub: this does not change that if AM walk tomorrow, I have 150% of my investment
ThickAsThieves: it also isnt related to that
ThickAsThieves: that thinking will lead to you allowing yourself to lose money
ThickAsThieves: it's a convenient rationale
ThickAsThieves: for example
ThickAsThieves: you say you want to wait for 2BTC
ThickAsThieves: to sell your shares
ThickAsThieves: but if they become worth 0 before then
ThickAsThieves: you get 0 for them
ThickAsThieves: but if you sell now
dub: I still have 150% of what I put in
ThickAsThieves: you get 1.4 or such
ThickAsThieves: good for you
ThickAsThieves: that is a past success
dub: that is not a loss
ThickAsThieves: no it is not
ThickAsThieves: but your 1.4BTC shares becoming worth 0 certianly would be
dub: my goodness
ThickAsThieves: maybe you'd prefere to call it,
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 100 @ 0.017 = 1.7 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: and unrealized gain
ThickAsThieves: that can be our channel motto:
ThickAsThieves: "There are no losses, only unrealized gains."
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 93 @ 0.0165 = 1.5345 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 52 @ 0.0146 = 0.7592 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.014679 = 0.1908 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.014679 = 0.367 BTC [+]
dub: stupid internets
dub: ThickAsThieves: what I was not understanding is that you were making a point too obvious for my point parser to identify
benkay: "in any dispute, the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of issues at stake."
Willdude123: Urgh. I have no clue what to do. I'm not sure if I should invest in ASICminer or buy a BF
Willdude123: For 280 pounds.
Bugpowder: do not buy a bfl
jurov: Just buy bitcoins and observe what happens.
benkay: buy a bfl!
benkay: nono
benkay: don't buy bitcoins
benkay: they're a scam
Bugpowder: if you MUST be in the mining game, asicminer shares are the way to go
Bugpowder: at least they are pretty liquid
thestringpuller: Bugpowder or you can buy avalon chips
thestringpuller: And build some shit
Bugpowder: and denominated in bitcoins
Bugpowder: thestringpuller: this guy is not looking for that level of commitment
Bugpowder: you may never get the Jalapeno
thestringpuller: It's not really that much commitment. You can attach the shiggity to a breadboard in a day easy
Bugpowder: and when you do, it will be worthless
thestringpuller: the data-in/data-out will work with cgminer
jurov: um, 280 pounds.. that happens to fit current price of casascius first edition coin
Bugpowder: mining sux
Bugpowder: jurov: are you shitting me?
Bugpowder: i have a bunch of those
Bugpowder: well, a handful
jurov: ended up 3btc/coin
Willdude123: That is after VAT and shipping,
Willdude123: Is pyramining good?
Bugpowder: just buy coins and sit on them
Willdude123: How does it compare with asicminer
Bugpowder: asicminer is a real company
Bugpowder: pyramining is a ponzi scheme
Bugpowder: (I think)
Willdude123: The faq disagrees.
Bugpowder: which faq?
Bugpowder: I haven't looked into it really
Bugpowder: but it sounds scammy
Bugpowder: and given that 99% of all bitcoin ventures are scams
Bugpowder: well… I wouldn't trust it
jurov: yes, you're basically talking with scammers here
benkay: don't get greedy man. enjoy the gravy train that are bitcoins
dub: Will dude.. lurk moar
benkay: "you cannot scam an honest man"
benkay: searching for outsized returns will get you proper fucked.
Bugpowder: buy some coins and sit on them
benkay: better yet, come up with a business that generates coins.
Bugpowder: buy more on the next big dip
Bugpowder: probably a bad ideas benkay, most businesses fail
Namworld: no, what benkay said
Bugpowder: If you have no clue, just buy and hold
benkay: here's the thing about businesses
benkay: your first 10 fail
benkay: hopefully you learn something
benkay: and #11 doesn't blow up quite as hard
benkay: repeat until you can actually make money
benkay: thoughts?
Namworld: ... yes
benkay: you already agreed with me dude :P
Namworld: But for web based businesses, which has less costs
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.014679 = 0.0294 BTC [+]
benkay: oh duh
Namworld: You'll get more who turn a profit, but less which succeed.
benkay: don't start capital intensive businesses
jurov: well...if i had to fail 10 times i'd forgot btc completely
Namworld: It's easier to have a profit margin, but harder to get enough profit that it's worth the time.
benkay: iterate to profit
benkay: fire bad clients
Willdude123: I have a kinda job offer from someone willing to pay bitcoins.
benkay: and cheap clients
benkay: wat who
benkay: they're scamming you send them to me
Willdude123: It's just a quick python program they want me to write.
Willdude123: I offered on /r/Jobs4Bitcoins
Willdude123: Someone has replied, and he'll let me know at some point the details.
Willdude123: Idc if I'm being scammed.
benkay: you are send him to me
benkay: d'oh
jurov: okay. after benkay does a short process with your wannabe employer
jurov: then i'm interested too in your services
Willdude123: I'll ask for identification and set out terms for it.
jurov: ooh, so your employer shall be properly identified?
jurov: as opposed to some scammy asset? :D
jurov: sorry i'm in trollish mood a bit. just send me your Jobs4Bitcoins page to check up
Willdude123: I didn't mention I'm 12
Willdude123: I think I'll leave that out,
benkay: i am 12 and what is this
jurov: dude, you'll learn, don't worry.
Bugpowder: coding for bitcoins is a good plan
Bugpowder: good luck
KRS1: Weed is getting stronger every two weeks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uLQOYtpZsA
jurov: Willdude123: sent msg on reddit, as rini17
Willdude123: Sent me a message or him?
Willdude123: Oh ok.
Willdude123: I'm afraid I have nothing provable.
Willdude123: But I won't charge very much. Maybe not even at all if you aren't satisfied.
jurov: np, i have some ideas for simpler tasks and we'll see.
jurov: never mention free work! especially not in such scammer channel ;)
Bugpowder: seriously dude
Bugpowder: also don't tell people you are 12
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 200 @ 0.0146 = 2.92 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: thats like more than hashking
kakobrekla: is fine
lyspooner: 12 year olds could not have understood bitcoin when it was introduced in 2009
KRS1: <dub> you should keep in mind that nobody knows who AM are, they are operating an illegal business <Bugpowder> asicminer is a real company
KRS1: Makes you wonder, if its an illegal company, is it a real company?
KRS1: There is no spoon.
jurov: it's really illegal
KRS1: ohhhh that makes sense!
KRS1: Can't be a real ESTATE company, thats not what they do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00071168 = 3.0602 BTC [+]
KRS1: I was gambling last month in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida with my buddy and these hookers stopped by our blackjack table..If you've been around the block a few times as we have, they're obvious.
KRS1: They were getting wet and all over our chips.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.015 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 25 @ 0.01512 = 0.378 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01525 = 0.7625 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
KRS1: So they split and my buddy and I were talking..if they suck off 8 men per night, and the average penis size is what, 8" inches..thats 64" inches of dick per night..so lets say they work a 6-day work week. Thats 64 X 6 = 384 inches or about 32 feet of dick per week.. 32 X 4 weeks is 128 feet of dick per month..and 128 X 12 months is 1536 feet of dick per year. Over a quarter mile of
KRS1: dick to suck per year.
KRS1: Thats a lot of dick.
KRS1: If the average load is 2 oz..thats 36 US gallons of sperm..or 136.275 Liters.
KRS1: What is the average retirement age..
KRS1: After going through that exercise its obvious they need savings or retirement plans.
Willdude123: How much total power has the ASICminer chip farm got?
jurov: or is the "Harshrate" 15th already?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.01525 = 0.0763 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 84 @ 0.01525 = 1.281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15368381 = 153.6838 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.16188182 = 161.8818 BTC [-]
Willdude123: I'm still deciding, ASICminer or BFL miner.
KRS1: MOAR trilema
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.014679 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: im curious how many people read the whole thing
dub: Willdude123: not trying to be rude but if this much consternation about a $50 investment, perhaps you should be looking at something lower risk?
mircea_popescu: (the english part i mean, i don't thin the romanian part is doable)
Willdude123: Maybe not sure what.
mircea_popescu: dub i was thinking "if the position you're in is deciding between am and bfl perhaps more fundamental endeavours need prioritizing"
dub: well yes
dub: I guess the simple analysis is that with AM there is a chance of getting in and out, grabbing a few dollars worth of divs in the middle
dub: while purchasing from BFL is pretty much a certain loss
KRS1: According to this article BTC is dead..lets all go home and shutdown now guys..its over.
dub: (unless you have free power and don't mind waiting a few years)
KRS1: Back to your day jobs.
mircea_popescu: o wait, financial times knows shit ?
KRS1: haha yeah..jack shit.
KRS1: it was amusing..i'm off to read rags now because i'm all out of trilema
KRS1: i could use some pr0ns though.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1053 = 1.053 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.010067 = 0.0302 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.010068 = 0.1007 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01007 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.010079 = 0.1109 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7108 @ 0.00070973 = 5.0448 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1942 @ 0.00071189 = 1.3825 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 6 @ 0.01515 = 0.0909 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.47689 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.4769 = 16.2459 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.478 = 25.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 1.4788 = 19.2244 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 102 @ 0.003115 = 0.3177 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 105 @ 0.00312 = 0.3276 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.01515 = 0.1061 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.002815 = 0.0563 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 80 @ 0.0033 = 0.264 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1051 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 2.0001 = 8.0004 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4788 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00071189 = 5.7663 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;calc 1115/24
gribble: 46.4583333333
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.00312 = 0.936 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.01515 = 0.0455 BTC [-]
KRS1: damn..what am i gonna do now I was kicked from #bitcoin-analysis..thanks copumpkin
KRS1: does he work for bfl or something
copumpkin: I did nothing
KRS1: who then the other dude
KRS1: thats aight..i always have #bitcoin-anal
KRS1: i aint mad im just clownin
KRS1: sorry that i thought it was you but either way i didnt mean nothin by it
KRS1: i deserved it anyway..just bored..whats there to analyze with this flat fricken market
copumpkin: it's not like you're banned anyway
copumpkin: you can just rejoin
KRS1: yeh..true..maybe i'll go torture the troll box on btc-e for a while haha
KRS1: all you big buyers should fuck with the alt-coins while nothings going on
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4788 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hm. i guess more ppl were following btc for entertainment than previously thought
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4845 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15361736 = 153.6174 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.16182046 = 161.8205 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 97 @ 0.01525 = 1.4793 BTC [+]
KRS1: Hi Luke-
KRS1: Bye Luke-
KRS1: I sent Jody from BFL an email days ago and haven't received a response. I was only replying to their email to verify my shipment from them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.01512 = 0.1058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00071189 = 5.8019 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: he does customer support too now ?!
dub: lol was gonna ask the same thing
dub: BFL_Luke-Jr
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 425 @ 0.01452 = 6.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 150 @ 0.01451 = 2.1765 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 9 @ 0.01450001 = 0.1305 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 10 @ 0.0145 = 0.145 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 68 @ 1.47 = 99.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C101T] 1000 @ 0.15379797 = 153.798 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [O.USD.C098T] 1000 @ 0.16201158 = 162.0116 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.273 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 18 @ 0.0151 = 0.2718 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.40400081 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.015055 = 0.7528 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 100 @ 0.0146 = 1.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 26 @ 0.015055 = 0.3914 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 65 @ 0.015055 = 0.9786 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2714 = 0.5428 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 30 @ 0.015055 = 0.4517 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: bfl delay is good for AM however once we get over 505 it would be nice if they ship me my units
Chaang-Noi: price is level, insane
copumpkin: quick, build a butterfly
dub: yours didnt ship yet chang?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 67 @ 0.015055 = 1.0087 BTC [+]
dub: got my minirigs on tuesday
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.015055 = 0.1054 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: oh yeah ?
ThickAsThieves: didnt know any minirigs went out
dub: no
ThickAsThieves: i was excited fo ryou
dub: if they had I'd be standing next to them slojacking
mod6: haha
dub: of course I want stupid enough to actually order one
ThickAsThieves: i tried confirming my cancelled order like they asked me too,
ThickAsThieves: alas the mistake was only the email, my account had no BFLs in it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00070955 = 10.5013 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: hrm John K charging 1% for escrow of 655btc
ThickAsThieves: for a few hours
ThickAsThieves: kinda high no?
Chaang-Noi: i thought he accepted donations?
ThickAsThieves: he says to many pro bonos
Chaang-Noi: i can be escrow if you want
ThickAsThieves: depends on othe rparty
Chaang-Noi: if the time is convienent
Chaang-Noi: what is 655 btc?
Chaang-Noi: i meant what is being sold?
Chaang-Noi: to be fair bjs are awesome
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 5 @ 0.015055 = 0.0753 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 128 @ 0.015055 = 1.927 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 3 @ 0.0147 = 0.0441 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22459815 lol " to end the persecution of old men".
Chaang-Noi: i think the age of concent should be lowered from 18 but lol, not to protect "old men"
topace__: !ticker h vtx
assbot: [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.40340001 / 0.40539263 / 0.41010000 (27 shares, 10.94560096 BTC), 7D: 0.40340001 / 0.46056506 / 0.49200000 (211 shares, 97.17922710 BTC), 30D: 0.18000010 / 0.41152352 / 0.52000000 (4625 shares, 1903.29626800 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.015 = 0.03 BTC [+]
KRS1: Chaang-Noi: I don't think there is anything better on this earth or known to man than a bj. If I could have my way, I'd wake up every morning and get BJ, eat some breakfast and then have a damn good massage...every morning. Now thats a hell of a way to start the day.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.4811 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: move to thailand
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.482 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: you can do that for like 10$ a meal :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00070249 = 6.4629 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.0146 = 0.1022 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 50 @ 0.01451 = 0.7255 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 7 @ 0.01440002 = 0.1008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
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