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mjr___: well, some progress made
mjr___: if anyone feels like watching my bumbling progress, http://54.214.31.74/
mjr___: this so far only has mongo and nodejs working
mjr___: and not in the best way yet
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199989 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 25 @ 0.0125 = 0.3125 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0125 = 0.025 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.222 = 2.444 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2222 = 2.4444 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22222 = 2.4444 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.222222 = 4.8889 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.99999999 = 4 BTC [-]
mjr___: if anyone else is looking, order updates don't work yet
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.18 = 2.36 BTC [-]
mod6: lol, sorry if I deleted that first one. I didn't know that [X] would do that.
mod6: I added another one as "Testing" or whatever. hehe. my bad.
mjr___: its all good
mjr___: thanks for helping me test
mjr___: feel free to play around
mjr___: i don't mind
mod6: And so far the Edit button gives a stack trace.
mjr___: right now i am getting basic functionality up and running
mjr___: yes, it does
mod6: I just thought I'd take a look, I saw you talkin about it earlier.
mjr___: this is the most basic version
mjr___: next i split into bids and asks
mjr___: get socket.io running
mjr___: so that all changes happen in real time
mod6: Cool. I hear you, gotta get some time to see what works inititally, etc.
mjr___: and then put in an angular front end
mjr___: yeah, but it doesn't make a difference
mjr___: i am using nodemon
mjr___: so all my changes auto update
mod6: I've been doing a bunch of programming on BitOTTer (android) today, thats been awesome. I'm excited to do some debugging tonight :)
mjr___: this is the blessing and curse of using other peoples shit
mjr___: i've got a lot of stuff working pretty quickly
mjr___: but finding out where the error is will take more time i think
thestringpuller: ;;calc 65000/240
gribble: 270.833333333
mjr___: feel free to check out the github
mod6: cool thanks!
thestringpuller: 200 mhs per avalon chip huh
mjr___: https://github.com/joshuarossi/buttonwood
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.18 BTC [-]
mjr___: and i also need to add an entire user system...geez, this is kinda a long process
mod6: HEH
mod6: Yeah it doesn't write it self.
mod6: *itself.
mjr___: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5ZviIIaT7_kZ0VDNkJtSnljZms/edit?usp=sharing this is an old design of mine, and roughly what it should look like when done
mod6: but all good things in time... as they say.
mjr___: well, i am trying to do a hackathon attempt
mjr___: to have this up by monday
mjr___: and i have a rough wirefram mockup too...http://imgur.com/nu1YoOh
mjr___: rough idea is, people show up and can easily update their orders pretty much in real time
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0125 = 0.0375 BTC
mjr___: i built that first example but it didn't have all the backend functionality i wanted
mjr___: so...back to work, feel free to play around, you should see new features popping up
mod6: aight cool.
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 234576 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1295 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10106951.7269 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.30427
mjr___: http://thecodebarbarian.wordpress.com/ this is somewhat of a rough guide to the design philosophy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00069101 = 3.3168 BTC [+]
gribble: targets: 120-123, 130 | updated by OneFixt at May 5 2013, 01:55 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/139er6E | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | 2 hours, 59 minutes, and 1 second ago
inhies: weeee
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0125 = 0.0375 BTC
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.012525 = 0.1628 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.199111 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 1.199111 = 21.584 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.2199 = 8.5393 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2199 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3198 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: ;;asks 200
gribble: There are currently 111426.94 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 16740305.7552 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0081 seconds
tiberiusiv: ;;bids 50
gribble: There are currently 149240.03 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 11268523.4082 USD in total. | Data vintage: 6.1148 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8426 @ 0.00069101 = 5.8225 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2199 = 2.4398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.012525 = 0.0626 BTC [+]
inhies: well
inhies: this looks interesting
ardeay_: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 116.70180, Best ask: 117.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.29820, Last trade: 117.00000, 24 hour volume: 135072.13898755, 24 hour low: 96.91162, 24 hour high: 118.85000, 24 hour vwap: 109.31377
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 32 @ 0.012525 = 0.4008 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 57 @ 0.01255 = 0.7154 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: hmm google has its own btc, hmmm
tiberiusiv: thats a debit card
tiberiusiv: from a bank
Chaang-Noi: google is a bank now?
tiberiusiv: no you cant read?
tiberiusiv: they use a partner bank
tiberiusiv: fking idiot
tiberiusiv: this is where the funds are held. its just a prepaid debit card service
tiberiusiv: this is probably a more direct bitcoin competitor in africa
tiberiusiv: mpesa has more users then bitcoin
Chaang-Noi: oh tiberslav, :)
Chaang-Noi: its not even fun trolling you
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.13001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5974 @ 0.00069101 = 4.1281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226 @ 0.00069491 = 0.157 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1502 @ 0.00068877 = 1.0345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10719 @ 0.00068835 = 7.3784 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3763 @ 0.00069491 = 2.6149 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.01255 = 0.4895 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.01255 = 0.3514 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00069491 = 9.1033 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.13001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.108899 = 0.2178 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.219 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: think that could be the finish guy?
wao: hm
wao: why not
mircea_popescu: nah. not at all the same facial features.
mircea_popescu: the camwhore pic is lol tho
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.410001 = 2.87 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: i kinda doubt it as well, but man, it would explain a few things:)
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.4005 = 0.801 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well yeah. nevertheles...
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22701 = 0.454 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.227 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2263 = 0.4526 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: no, i'm pretty sure this is a young guy with a little money/ a business who discovered btc later than us, got real excited, wanted to burn the stages
mircea_popescu: because wtf, why listen to mpoe-pr, she's a woman.
Chaang-Noi: i think he likes you honestly
Chaang-Noi: but cant deal with someone who only says insults
mircea_popescu: i think he dislikes me but would like my approval.
Chaang-Noi: she really for the most part does not do anything but show how trash she is
Chaang-Noi: she can not attack people with wit or class
Chaang-Noi: insults only go so far
mircea_popescu: have you seen the latest ?
Chaang-Noi: she can have good posts if she is objective and not attacking a person or idea
Chaang-Noi: i doubt it, im just talking about over the last 2 eyars or whatever
Chaang-Noi: any one here want 10,000 ltc for 309 or so btc?
mircea_popescu: lemme see this, i lolled.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01255 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: shec an have good posts, but on average she does more harm than good
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22632 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22631 = 0.4526 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 12 @ 0.2263 = 2.7156 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: she's actually better at the wit & class takedowns imo
mircea_popescu: it's just on the forum she rarely has any opportunity to.
Chaang-Noi: well these three people are clearly idots
Chaang-Noi: i avoid the whole economic subsection as 985 of the people who post there are idots
Chaang-Noi: the real people who understand, are doing shit...
Chaang-Noi: like in the assets subsection
truff1es: <Chaang-Noi> she can have good posts if she is objective and not attacking a person or idea>>> sounds like mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: she rarely if ever goes after people who actually do something afaik.
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.13011 = 0.3903 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.12501 = 0.375 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: she was after me for months about my mining operation claiming it was a scam cuz no photos. i told her three times the link to the photos wherein the op of the thread
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.125001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.125 = 0.625 BTC [-]
Chaang-Noi: she has improved ill give you that but her last attack on reptillia man seems kinda lame
Chaang-Noi: seemed
Chaang-Noi: as crazy as it sounds, the repillia guy might be right and we hit, $300,000 a btc by new years
Chaang-Noi: i think he is nuts but it should be expressed with something other than an insult
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.13012 BTC [+]
truff1es: you cant really teach someone how to express themselves :)
truff1es: oh wait u can but..
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so go do it lol.
Chaang-Noi: that sell to that repitilla guys has made my portfolio out of balance, i have more cash on hand than i want in thailand...
Chaang-Noi: i dont trust the banks
Chaang-Noi: the only way i see getting it out of thailand is buying back btc
truff1es: Chaang-Noi you made a legit transaction with repitilla?
Chaang-Noi: well 1/2 of one
truff1es: oh my
Chaang-Noi: he wired me 2.65 million baht
truff1es: so he is for real
Chaang-Noi: well, he at one point had 2.65 million bhat
Chaang-Noi: but i would say yes
Chaang-Noi: he is a bit delusional but id say he is real
Chaang-Noi: well more than a bit
truff1es: its the kind of mind that believes bitcoin with go up up up
Chaang-Noi: yeah and he joined the bull market a bit too late
Chaang-Noi: $72 is his lowest buy in i think
Chaang-Noi: clearly he bought from me at 133 or so
Chaang-Noi: i dont know if higher or not
truff1es: he's doing well for himself regardless
Chaang-Noi: he claims to ahve 10,000 oz of silver
Chaang-Noi: im a silver bug and i dont even have that much silver
mircea_popescu: what's that, like 300 btc's worth ?
Chaang-Noi: $240,000 usd
Chaang-Noi: well more than that
Chaang-Noi: 2100 or so btc
Chaang-Noi: nothing massive, but its still something
truff1es: pretty massive to me :D
truff1es: thats a real showoff
Chaang-Noi: i have a 1000 oz bar....
truff1es: i was expecting to see the bar not a summary
Chaang-Noi: i dont have photos of my silver
Chaang-Noi: honestly half of it iv never even seen
truff1es: the gold bar looks like chocolate to me ..
Chaang-Noi: mine is only 970ish oz but its a comex bar, they call it 1000oz bars.
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares, seems the lme is moving to hk
Chaang-Noi: does not really effect me
Chaang-Noi: but really, its logical
truff1es: just realized the name is rpietila not repitilla..
truff1es: is there a tldr of the rpietila diary?
Chaang-Noi: he is a nutter who odds are is on coke/weed and thin\ks btw will be 1 million usd by christmas
Chaang-Noi: he is also having a conferance in finland where everyone is forced to wear top hats and drive in limos
truff1es: hehe
Chaang-Noi: otehr than looking fancy they are going to try to set up a "super node" dealership network
Chaang-Noi: however no one is going cuz lack of plaaning and it being too soon
Chaang-Noi: mp did that pretty much cover it?
truff1es: so he should do another next yr
Chaang-Noi: i might have left something out, been a lot of lulz
mircea_popescu: lol i had no idea about the top hats
Chaang-Noi: well... im not sure what he wants to accomplish
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
Chaang-Noi: mp well they are not forced to wear top hats but he did get a limo and the point is to be a show off
Chaang-Noi: i did exagerate that a bit
truff1es: "There are now 6 paid admissions to the summit, and all of them are for a physical stay."
Chaang-Noi: but it just seemed fitting for the style he is going for
Chaang-Noi: the first 3 qare his staff
Chaang-Noi: so really only 3
Chaang-Noi: and they are all new people who are in the area who want to learn more about btc
Chaang-Noi: i dont think they are "super nodes"
truff1es: seems perfect for someone like mircea_popescu
truff1es: a place to showoff and show how much they know than everyone else :p
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22631 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 9 @ 0.2263 = 2.0367 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yeah. so weird tho, americans are really uncomfortable showing off.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.219 = 4.876 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.219 = 2.438 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.01255 = 0.2259 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what's a node anyway.
truff1es: node Noun
truff1es: A point at which lines or pathways intersect or branch; a central or connecting point.
truff1es: A piece of equipment, such as a PC or peripheral, attached to a network.
truff1es: seems like rpietila aims to make btc an exclusive thing, dont like
truff1es: (Without almost a single exception) every time I read MPOE-PR, I think, "but he cannot be, if he actually pays for this shit to be posted in his name". >>> sick burn
Chaang-Noi: inaba is about as good with pr as your girl...
mircea_popescu: not really.
mircea_popescu: actually i don't know anyone nearly as good as her on those forums.
Chaang-Noi: for pr?
mircea_popescu: perhaps gavin, but only on the condition that he keeps quiet a lot on most issues.
mircea_popescu: yes for pr.
Chaang-Noi: well to each thier own, imo they both do more hard to the image of the company they work for
Chaang-Noi: harm*
mircea_popescu: pr is about communication, you must be confusing it with advertising ?
Chaang-Noi: public relations, yes clearly there is communication, but you communicate ideas, the ideas she communicates are not what i would considrer to be good
Chaang-Noi: inaba same
Chaang-Noi: as in not good for the image of the company she represents and is speaking for
Chaang-Noi: when she has the PR tag she is your face to the world
Chaang-Noi: people see her, and judge you and your company
mircea_popescu: yeah. exactly.
mircea_popescu: the difference here would be that inaba never gave a strauight answer, has been caught lieing etc.
Chaang-Noi: they dont take her siourly, and so they dont take you either
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr has given nothing but straight answers, and has alweays been right.
truff1es: Chaang-Noi have u read trilema, they dont care lol
mircea_popescu: seems to me quite a difference there.
mircea_popescu: i beg to differ.
Chaang-Noi: yes there is a differance between her and inaba, but just cuz inaba is fail does not mean your pr girl is good
mircea_popescu: she's probably the only one there taken quite seriously.
Chaang-Noi: by whom?
Chaang-Noi: she is one of the mostly highly ignored people
mircea_popescu: everyone. when she drops the shoe the entire dev team gets cracking for one.
cads: mircea_popescu: re. the showing off, I've often wondered about that myself.
mircea_popescu: eh right, like that matters.
mircea_popescu: cads aha ?
Chaang-Noi: placing someone on ignore does not = respect
Chaang-Noi: but what truffles said, it does seem you guys just dont give a fuck
truff1es: yea mp take me off ignore!
cads: In america, when someone shows off they tend to be an asshole. Keeping your cards close to your chest is often a better social move here, because showing off invites open ridicule.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2189 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: truffles is of course on my ignore, so yeah.
cads: From my personal experience, for example, when Romanians show off in front of Americans, at best they tend to be perceived as lovable assholes. The fact that many romanians tend to show off only they can back it with something tangible helps in establishing relationships between americans and romanians, but there is often a secret distaste.
Chaang-Noi: yeah showing off in thailand is so much different than showing off in the usa
mircea_popescu: cads where's the romanians spring up from ?!
cads: I'm romanian, hah
mircea_popescu: a lol ok.
Chaang-Noi: wow 2/3rd of this conversation is romainian :)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem is mistaken socialisation. the average american can not simply go talk to a woman.
truff1es: "lovable assholes" is there such a thing
mircea_popescu: they have weirdo protestant issues.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.219 BTC [+]
Chaang-Noi: i ahve no problem with your girl being a girl, that is not it at all lol
mircea_popescu: no, we were discussing his showoff thing.
Chaang-Noi: inaba?
mircea_popescu: i thought the mpoe-pr discussion is over, as in, sigh.
Chaang-Noi: reptilla?
truff1es: they switched topics
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: are you ignoring cads or something ?
cads: mircea_popescu: yep. And they're also very guarded about their real capabilities, so for example, whereas a romanian might be happy to brag about how little he payed on a car if you ask, asking an american the same question is often a faux pas.
truff1es: romanians showing off = lovable assholes
Chaang-Noi: im multy tasking, sorry, im sure the fail is on my end
mircea_popescu: eh faux pas my foot.
mircea_popescu: i submit that taking this retarded childrengarten bullshit into consideration is empowering the mental disease.
mircea_popescu: it's not a faux pas and if johnny thinks so let him go in a corner and sulk
Chaang-Noi: in thailand if you ahve money you are expected to show off
Chaang-Noi: people pay 4 times the normal price of a car (cuz taxes) just so they can show off
cads: hehe
cads: nice!
Chaang-Noi: people respect things ehre more than people and idea
mircea_popescu: nobody can just be normal it seems ;/
Chaang-Noi: its not how smart your brain is, but how smart you are dressed that matters
truff1es: Chaang-Noi ask mp to define normal
Chaang-Noi: mp truffles wants to know what "normal" means
cads: mircea_popescu: for salaried upper middle class workers in romania, what is the normal attitude towards revealing their exact salary figure to their coworkers?
Chaang-Noi: ah wage slaves
mircea_popescu: cads i have no idea tbh.
Diablo-D3: !ticker
assbot: Are you sure you have no tobacco?
Diablo-D3: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 108.96000, Best ask: 108.97164, Bid-ask spread: 0.01164, Last trade: 108.97164, 24 hour volume: 138012.31532447, 24 hour low: 100.00000, 24 hour high: 118.85000, 24 hour vwap: 110.86925
cads: Say I receive $100K a year, and I suspect that this is $20K more than the rest of my coworkers in the same position as me, because I'm more skilled. Would it be something I'd brag about?
Chaang-Noi: i dont think mp knows many wage slaves
cads: hehe, perhaps not
mircea_popescu: yeah i tend to not hire romanians
mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as salaries go about 7k a year pre tax would be an average salary.
mircea_popescu: i don't see where exactly you'd be making 100k a year and have coworkers in the same office making 80.
mircea_popescu: senior tv execs working for the main network make 15 or some shit
Chaang-Noi: do most people speak english in romania?
Chaang-Noi: sounds like a fun place to visit
mircea_popescu: senior corporate officers in state entreprises make something like 15-20k and they're talking of introducing a tax just for them to lower that.
cads: mircea_popescu: this is common here in upper management in mid to large scale businesses. My understanding is that when the amounts of money are that large, it becomes profitable to remain private about them. People say "I got the raise!" but don't say how much the raise was.
mircea_popescu: Chaang-Noi the younger kids mostly do, about half pretty well about half so-so
mircea_popescu: the older folks mostly don't.
Chaang-Noi: if i make it to europe ill stop by
mircea_popescu: cads you know i'm perfectly aware who makes what where
mircea_popescu: "Can Facebook lead to psychosis? One study says so" win.
cads: hah, charming
mircea_popescu: where are you anyway, canada ?
cads: Atlanta
cads: You? Bucharest?
mircea_popescu: timisoara atm
truff1es: <Chaang-Noi> mp truffles wants to know what "normal" means >>> thanks, achieved the goal even if ignored :)
Chaang-Noi: can you hunt brown bears?
truff1es: i think so
cads: Chaang-Noi: are you from thailand?
cads: hehe, truffles, are you just used to people ignoring you?
truff1es: <cads> hehe, truffles, are you just used to people ignoring you?>>no just assholes
truff1es: irl i dont purposely go into the same space as an asshole, but on the internet most ppl are so its a moot point
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 40 @ 0.00318 = 0.1272 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1079 = 0.2158 BTC [-]
cads: truff1es: I mean, some people are so incoherent in their opinions that I get the distinct feeling that I'm _stupider_ after arguing with them, and if these people consistently attack my positions with poor argument tactics, then I have little to gain from them in way of exchange of ideas, and I ignore them.
truff1es: hmmmm
truff1es: then u ask for clarification
truff1es: information is what you make of it
cads: truff1es: information from a random variable is what you make of it, true, but if the variable is too random, it's impossible to make knowledge from it, however hard you try :D
truff1es: hence why its best to seek clarification
truff1es: cant really do that through ignore
cads: truffles, lets put it this way. Consider you talk to 10 people online, and you know that 9 of those people tend to say things that you fine useful, some of the time. But now imagine that the 10th person not only says things that are useless, they also try to mislead you, and they drown out the reasonable words of the other 9 people.
cads: And suppose that after extensive attempts at asking for clarification, the person continues to demonstrate that they do not have your interest in mind - they continue to BS you, and what's worse, arguing with them makes you look like a fool in front of the other 9 people.
truff1es: they also try to mislead you, and they drown out the reasonable words of the other 9 people.>>> this needs clarification
cads: truff1es: sure, let me clarify with an example. 9 people are decent people interested in talking about the topic, and the 10th person is just a troll, interested in ridiculing anyone that gives them attention. Say they are flooding the channel, and there are no ops, and you're being distracted from your other 9 contemporaries.
truff1es: ok.. but id assume spam gets boot
cads: would you not ignore the offensive charachter? Or would you force yourself to take cognitive loss, and manually take the time filter out the useless chatter?
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cads: truff1es: giving yourself a cognitive advantage by ignoring the poor information source is a good strategy in these situations - it's not weakness, it's prudence.
truff1es: i would disagree that although these 9 people are coherent it does not imply they hold your best interest, information is for me to filter so i wouldnt see the need to ignore..
mircea_popescu: there, you're responsible.
cads: oh dear god, for what?
cads: oh what have I done :D
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cads: hehe, truff1es I hear what you're saying, but surely even you draw limits at a certain point: consider, one may choose not hang out on 4chan. This is the same as ignoring every single member of 4chan. If you believe you have the capacity to filter out all information by directly reading it, then why aren't you plugged into every chat in the world, filtering?
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cads: that was uncharitable, but I hope you get my drift - ignoring someone is just one of the many ways of filtering your information input
truff1es: i like to read but you have to learn to skim :p
cads: I believe that you simply assign a negative emotional connotation towards it because you've been at the blunt end of an ignore or two, and you know how much that stings
truff1es: i havent been on irc in a while afaik i dont get ignored much
truff1es: mp is just an asshole and ran from a debate imo
truff1es: filtering is a philosophy not based on emotional reactions..
cads: I would agree there
truff1es: ure trying to say that because i mightve been ignored in the past, i take this postion, it would be so regardless
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cads: nah, I think I may have made a red herring there
cads: truff1es: also, it occurs to me that leaving a chat room is not the same as ignoring everyone in that chat room. Information is not symmetric, in the latter case.
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truff1es: can you restate that
cads: truff1es: If I ignore someone in a chat, they can still see what I'm saying. So it's not the same thing as leaving the chat. Ignore can be used to assert a sort of dominance.
truff1es: mp tries
cads: truff1es: In other words, ignore actually can be used as an asshole strategy. is that part of your argument against the desirability of ignore?
cads: I would argue that I have used ignore judiciously many times... but I'd also admit that I've used it a few times in a mean spirit.
cads: *shrug*, in any case, we could philosophize about this all day
cads: any closing words?
cads: it's time to cook some breakfast and get started with the day here :D
truff1es: do whats best for you..
mircea_popescu: now you know why he's on my ignore.
truff1es: enjoy
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of fucking support channels for people with emo issues. this happens to be the bitcoin assets chan.
mircea_popescu: he has no assets and so doesn't really belong.
truff1es: *rolls eyes*
cads: haha, mircea_popescu, and what assets have I? Besides my charming good looks, which are hardly fungible ;)
mircea_popescu: it's a start.
cads: I guess maybe the only claim to legitimacy I have is that I'm genuinely interested in understanding assets
truff1es: so am i ..
cads: truff1es: good deal. as long as we remain teachable, life is pretty good, I find
cads: just.. don't learn any lessons that are not profitable
truff1es: i dont live to make just profits
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truff1es: everything is a learning experince including our discussion
truff1es: to me
truff1es: im here because its part of the bitcoins sphere, which is currently my interest
truff1es: i think thats what u wanted to know
Chaaang-Noi: piratebay now accepts litecoins :)
truff1es: u dont have to use a mirror Chaaang-Noi?
truff1es: piratebay mirror site
Chaaang-Noi: to send them ltcs?
Chaaang-Noi: piratebay.sx
truff1es: unrelated
Chaaang-Noi: but no, to send ltc you dont need a mirror, that is not how litecoin owrks
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truff1es: ok. was asking a broad question
truff1es: thanks, ill be using it more often again
Chaaang-Noi: then send them some crypto they take btc too
truff1es: when i get some, not the 1st place i send to
truff1es: great song on the page
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Chaaang-Noi: 111.111 lol
Chaaang-Noi: ;ticker
Chaaang-Noi: ;;ticker
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thestringpuller: Chaaang-Noi: you cool as shit
thestringpuller: even tho u a bit cray cray
Chaaang-Noi: lol what?
Uglux: lol
thestringpuller: You is living the American Dream in Thailand.
Chaaang-Noi: life is good
thestringpuller: life is always good if you are living :P
thestringpuller: or at least should be
Chaaang-Noi: i hear guantanimo bay sucks
cads: mircea_popescu, I read your story - quite the adventure, I see. I admire your tenacity and natural talent, while being relieved to see that you do not yet have it "all figured out", which I feel would be boring for you. I wish you continued prosperity and a future that does not cease to provide interesting situations!
thestringpuller: Okay: life is always good if you are living and not locked up. :P
thestringpuller: you are making us atlantians look bad cads
cads: I'm amazed with the care and attention that romanian schools give to the smart kids - here in america, being bright means being ridiculed
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thestringpuller: cads: We got Ludacris and Outkast tho.
thestringpuller: And the Braves.
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cads: thestringpuller: and some nice architecture, to boot
cads: thestringpuller: you are an atlien?
Chaaang-Noi: where is this story about mp?
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thestringpuller: LOL. I live here. But I was born an lived my infancy in da north.
thestringpuller: I lived her most my life*
cads: thestringpuller: the real test: do you ever use the word "y'all"
cads: or the phrase "what had happened was..."
mircea_popescu: cads well that was some years ago.
thestringpuller: I is from da burbs though.
mircea_popescu: but yes, being smart meant you get the blowjobs back then
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thestringpuller: No. I'm a suburban unfortunately. But my homies is gangsta.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, i liked atlanta.
ThickAsThieves: i liked atlanta too
ThickAsThieves: went there recently
ThickAsThieves: some of it reminded me of parts of Boston
mircea_popescu: looks like a bad geek hairdo
ThickAsThieves: it's the only metro city i've been to in the southeast that i liked
cads: mircea_popescu, ThickAsThieves, ty. I love my city, and really, economically, architecturally, culturally, there are only a handful of other american cities that match or exceed it.
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cads: at least so I tell myself, lol
thestringpuller: Atlanta is lame yo. Whatchu talkin' bout cads.
mircea_popescu: you could do worse. you could be from like... i dunno, mobile ?
thestringpuller: We have lame colleges, and lame infrastructure. We just happen to not be as lame as the other places around us.
mircea_popescu: lame colleges only matter up until you're about 25. then you realise it's a waste of time anyway
cads: thestringpuller: haha, as a recent college dropout, I can attest to the lame college. As a daily marta rider for the last two years, I can attest to the failing infrastructure.
thestringpuller: State school kinda suck. It's all public image and no substance.
thestringpuller: Exactly what mircea_popescu loves.
cads: still, there is something rough, vulgar, and thriving about this city that I don't feel when in, say, pittsburg, or saint louis, or miami
thestringpuller: That's because so many people come through it.
thestringpuller: Atlanta is a whore with that airport of hers.
cads: imo, hating on atlanta and loving on it are the same practice, so anyways, enough loving on atlanta ;)
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mircea_popescu: whoa i had no diea
mircea_popescu: bigger than ohare even
cads: oh gosh, the airport... it's like rich white men said, "lets take the poorest sector of the city and put an airport in it. But here's the catch, lets hire _only people from the suburbs, MUAHAHAHA"
thestringpuller: The only thing more lame than living in Atlanta is Texas.
mircea_popescu: i loved texas gtfo
thestringpuller: Have you ever lived there?!?
thestringpuller: That place is miserable unless you were born in a desert :P
cads: actually, there's a lot of that 'white privilege' sentiment going on it Atlanta. That, and the narrow religious views, those are the only things I really dislike about my city.
thestringpuller: cads: not the trend of becoming hipster land
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you kidding, all it has are hot blondy bartenders who buy me drinks
thestringpuller: so does LA but the weather is far superior
thestringpuller: It goes over 100 in that Texas/Arizona region
cads: thestringpuller: one time some black dudes came into my house and beat me and robbed me at gun point. The interrogated me for an hour about where the drugs were (my roommate at the time was a drug dealer - bad fucking choice on my part). In the months after that I found rascist sentiment from around me was taking root in my mind very easily.
cads: so I decided to hate hipsters instead
thestringpuller: The only time I've gone to Las Vegas I thought I was going to melt, or at least my shoes.
cads: I despise rascism as a form of extreme mental weakness
cads: but then I realized that my new found hate of hipsters was just as bad!
mircea_popescu: cads wait.
thestringpuller: dude hipsters suuuuck, they are leftovers from the dot com boom
mircea_popescu: you KNEW he was dealing ?
cads: mircea_popescu: worse, I was a customer. He was a pot dealer, nothing serious, but he had a high profile.
mircea_popescu: well that was pretty retarded, then. what did you think was going to happen ?
thestringpuller: cads is jesse pinkman
cads: mircea_popescu: I wasn't in a mental state to attempt to compute rational expectations at the time.
mircea_popescu: i'm envisaging that brad pitt role in true romance
cads: thestringpuller: haha, minus the meth
mircea_popescu: incidentally, wasn't that the most adequate role for pitt ever ?
cads: haha, you're going to think me a philistine, but I've not seen the film, despite being a pitt fan
mircea_popescu: its not bad.
mircea_popescu: actually i wonder...
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema true romance
gribble: New MPEx key pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/new-mpex-key/>; So what's the plan with MPOE/MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/so-whats-the-plan-with-mpoempex/>; The Trilemma Revised: Harry Potter and a Landscape of Moral ...: <http://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1063&context=poroi>
mircea_popescu: seems not
Chaaang-Noi: mp Argentina eh?
mircea_popescu: dude google is fucking useless
Chaaang-Noi: i want has visit
mircea_popescu: Chaaang-Noi bring silver
Chaaang-Noi: that i can do
cads: thestringpuller: remember when pinkman is in rehab, convincing others to go back out and use? Yeah, I don't think I was ever that bad off, lol
Chaaang-Noi: they like dollars as well
cads: that's just low, lol
mircea_popescu: Chaaang-Noi its a joke. i think half the world;s silver comes from argentina
mircea_popescu: hence the motherfuckin' name
Chaaang-Noi: i know they have hard currancy issues,
cads: mircea_popescu: aha, another person that notices that google's performance is collapsing under the cascade of data
Chaaang-Noi: i dont think silver is a bad idea, but dollars from the usa are better
cads: mircea_popescu: we need another fundamental breakthrough in search engine technology, but soon.
kakobrekla: i think the problem is gribble aint personalized :)
mircea_popescu: cads by the time you give it the site title and two words from the page title and it finds two pages on that site w/o the words in them...
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know my browser is anon.
cads: perhaps an incentive structure that doesn't force the search engine firm to degrade its search quality in return for profits
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu they only correct way
mircea_popescu: cads that's only going to happen once we make marketing illegal.
mircea_popescu: i don't understand why rape is illegal and marketing is not ffs.
mircea_popescu: the other way around would make for a better world even.
cads: Haha, trading the maiden-hood for the consumer good.
cads: you may be right, strictly speaking - the problem is that people have not yet understood that marketing equals coercion
mircea_popescu: but i mean, what, they put up signs and what, i have to "Deal with it" ?
mircea_popescu: why doesn't the rape victim "Deal with it" while all the marketing bullshit is punished by 20 to life.
cads: hah, mircea, for someone with such a pretty mouth you sure are courageous to unleash rape on the world
cads: legal rape would still be abhorrent
mircea_popescu: legal marketing is even more abhorrent
cads: hehe, and pardon my joke
mircea_popescu: actually ima write this up, the similarities line up all too well.
cads: mircea_popescu: I would be forced to agree, though in your writeup consider that you are a parent with a daughter. You live in a world where the collapse of the viability of marketing strategies has lead to an unprecedented increase in the productivity and quality of life, on average. And all that you've had to pay is that your daughter got raped 6 times while she was growing up, starting at the age of 6, with her teacher, 9 with a boy
cads: in the town, 11 with a janitor, and so on. You did not have legal resource in these situations, and the 2 men that you secretly had killed, they could put you in jail from beyond the grave if you are discovered. You live in a world of unprecedented prosperity, where vigilantism is prohibited.
cads: is this is acceptable from this peasant father perspective?
mircea_popescu: you know this is exactly how women got pregnant for most of human history ?
mircea_popescu: and when i say most i don't mean 51%. i mean 99.9999addnines%
cads: granted, and it's also how most animals get pregnant
mircea_popescu: for that matter, if your putative daughter gets raped today your practical recourse is
mircea_popescu: ;;google that russian guy who went on a rampage cause they raped his daughter
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mircea_popescu: totally useful this google doohickey.
mircea_popescu: explain to me again why people think it should have a higher market cap than mpoe ?
cads: marketing ;)
mircea_popescu: good one
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cads: mircea_popescu, you know sexual molestation is not only prevalent among females, but also among males. We are truly animals when we allow ourselves to be, and who can estimate the lost productivity due to the social and psychological handicaps imposed by such scarring episodes of violence?
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cads: it is perhaps true that if society accepted it the negative impact per rape victim would go down, but the net effect would be negative almost surely, since the new rape-rate equilibrium would be immense
cads: and yet still probably cheaper than the loss due to marketing and irrational consumerism, hah.
mircea_popescu: i am not arguing rape is good
mircea_popescu: i am arguing rape is bad and marketing is way worse.
kakobrekla: seriously argentina?
cads: also rape can be good if she asks for it in that certain way :)
cads: but that's hardly rape, however much it may attempt to simulate it
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cads: hehe, I dunno if that constituted rape though
cads: certainly the men felt that the would not have to answer to rape charges due to the nature of the sex play situation, and she never filed charges, and seems to have chalked it up as "just one of those things"
kakobrekla: does she still want to be tied up?
cads: hehe, lovely girl, and a smart mathematician, the best tit's I've ever... kakobrekla yes
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cads: but she's getting married now, sadly :D
kakobrekla: not so smart mathematitican then
cads: haha, if you were a mathematician you'd know just how stupid we are
cads: I once spent 5 hours arguing with her that transfinite ordinals are no obviously inconsistent, against her objections
cads: and then we went to bed, and the next morning she was up proving the basic properties of transfinite ordinals
cads: and had made me pankakes and written "you were right" in whipped cream
cads: the _only_ argument I ever 'won', that girl was stubborn
mircea_popescu: titican lol
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mircea_popescu: there, no rope needed.
kakobrekla: also learn to skim read
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mircea_popescu: anyway, so did she ever find the aleph-one ?
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cads: mircea_popescu: yeah, his name is shawn, and they're pretty perfect for each other - each as stubborn as the day is long
mircea_popescu: i mean, the intermediate cardinal
mircea_popescu: between naturals and reals.
cads: haha, we never did talk about the continuum hypothesis
mircea_popescu: but that'd have been the end of your debate
mircea_popescu: here, there's an extra infinite.
cads: we got to isomorphism classes between ordered set, and I tried at long length to motivate that the real numbers were not countable, and she kept coming up with silly schemes to try to count them, because to her, at the time, it was absolutely absurd for there two be two infinite sets with qualitatively different amounts of infiniteness
mircea_popescu: that's easily provable tho neh ? cantor's countability trick
mircea_popescu: sort out all the numbers then show you can make one which is distinct from each on a different digit
mircea_popescu: by "easily provable" i mean easily showable to the intuitive approach
cads: yep, suppose that C_k : N -> R is a counting of the real numbers, then there exists a number x_k such that x_k is not in the image of C_k
cads: x_k is easy to construct for any possible C_k
mircea_popescu: ya but it helps if you actually list them out
mircea_popescu: but anyway
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mircea_popescu: alternatively of course, she could have proven the continuum, thus proving frankel set theory incorrect,which is also good enough
mircea_popescu: either way, either by producing a counter example or by actually showing the hyptothesis to be correct
mircea_popescu: and by incorrect i mean inconsistenty
cads: it was strange, like a cognitive blindspot - I tried what you suggest, and a few other approaches that I invented just during that conversation (which have been useful in similar situation). I lost a lot of faith in her as a mathematician, but regained it in the morning - she was chattering like a bluejay about how she now sees why she was wrong in her reasoning and why I was right: her intuition was that you can't just infinitely exte
cads: nd C_k to C_k', and for some reason just wasn't getting that _forall_ C_k there is an x_k, and that even any C_k' that she could concoct would also have its own fatal x_k'.
cads: mircea_popescu: now wouldn't that have been a sight? two stoned college math students, disproving ZFC
mircea_popescu: freud would have been happy
mircea_popescu: "see ? woman brain!"
mircea_popescu: schopenhauer even happier.
mircea_popescu: in his gloomy way.
cads: to her credit, her area was in the statistics of neuronal bursting in biological neural networks, and for some god awful reason, basic logic courses at our university do _not_ adequately introduce foundational issues such as ordinals or even set theory as an axiomatic topic
mircea_popescu: anyway, it is my considered opinion (along with, i wager, most everyone else's) that positively the ONLY way that's getting show to be inconsistent is
mircea_popescu: by some intoxicated kids during having sex or somesuch
mircea_popescu: everything else was tried to death.
cads: it's like, naive set theory without talking about the axiom of choice, or the axiom of infinity, or the implications.. part of the reason I recently dropped out - if this is what the undergraduate math degree means here, I'm not interested in it
cads: mircea_popescu: haha, you may be on to something
cads: maybe she was on to the truth and I squelched her breakthrough!
mircea_popescu: feelbad.gif
cads: I stopped hanging out with her to get sober and start hanging out with a vocalist/painter, and then a year later I found she's engaged - I wonder if she knows I still have sentiment.. it's not something I thought I had
mircea_popescu: well did you tell her ?
cads: not at the time, and not since I heard she was settling down - I was muddled up back then, and more recently I figured she has a chance at happiness with her guy, and have wished that to her.
zebedee_: Chaaang-Noi: I'll buy some THB from you for BTC if you're in a bad way.
mircea_popescu: stop being such a fag and tell the girl.
zebedee_: Gotta pay for my fun somehow.
cads: It's not a longing sentiment, since we had our issues, and she's still a toker, and I still am sober, thought you're probably right, it would not hurt her to know that I marvel and take joy in the high points of our relationship
mircea_popescu: for the record, i never met a sane mathematician who was any good.
mircea_popescu: if you had a business head on your shoulders as good as mine, you'd start a special slush fgund about now
mircea_popescu: and when her current relationship implodes you can bridge her for half a year on rent and food while she sucks your cock and figures out what next.
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cads: brilliant strategery
mircea_popescu: you can even tell her this when it happens and she's all confused, "honey... here's a chatlog"
mircea_popescu: zebedee_ pix ?
cads: you're talking to someone that just a year ago found the idea of leverage very exotic, and just 6 months ago was aghast to find out that his financial position has sickeningly leveraged re. his student loans, and decided to put his schooling on panic crash
cads: haha, for me to set aside a slush fund just for women, now that would be bold
mircea_popescu: lol well... not ghood ideas are practical.
cads: but not hard at all, and a fun exercise in personal wealth management
zebedee_: pix? Meeting Goat on Tuesday.
zebedee_: Nothing wrong with enjoying getting tied up. I like both ends myself.
zebedee_: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/6855106703_844f08ffbd_z.jpg I've had shibari lessons from this dude.
mircea_popescu: i never took lessosn
zebedee_: Definitely helps; Japanese are the best IMO.
mircea_popescu: helps what tho ?
zebedee_: There's skill in a) safety (quick release, avoiding pressure in bad areas etc). and b) aesthetics
zebedee_: I've seen others and there's a lot lacking, to my eyes at least.
mircea_popescu: safety is unrelated tho, it's just a study of anatomy. can learn it a thousand different ways.
mircea_popescu: and i guess my motivation is not aesthetical.
mircea_popescu: or if it is, it's personal rather than cultural. i couldn't care less what some japanese dude finds beautiful.
Chaaang-Noi: zebedee_ im not in a bad way but i could buy some thai baht, you in thailand?
zebedee_: Oh I thought you had too many. I don't have any.
zebedee_: Will be on Tuesday as discussed.
Chaaang-Noi: oh right, sorry, did not even register :)
zebedee_: lol
zebedee_: You wanna sell THB? If not I'll just dump some JPY notes.
Chaaang-Noi: some guy wants to meet me to sell 30,000 thai baht for btc wheni go
Chaaang-Noi: you want to buy more btc
zebedee_: No I want THB. I'm indifferent to dropping some BTC or JPY.
Chaaang-Noi: oh right, sorry, i did not read that collectly
zebedee_: If you want to sell THB then I'll buy some off you. If you don't it's cool.
Chaaang-Noi: yeah ill sell you thai baht
Chaaang-Noi: how much are you looking for?
zebedee_: OK. About $1k equivalent, so perhaps 30k THB.
Chaaang-Noi: yeah thats cool
Chaaang-Noi: there is a guy who is going to meet me in bkk with 30,000 thb to buy btc so this should work out perfectly
zebedee_: OK. Let's call it 25k for now.
Chaaang-Noi: yeah thats fine
Chaaang-Noi: im easy
zebedee_: Nice.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 7 @ 0.015 = 0.105 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 3 @ 0.015 = 0.045 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 13 @ 0.01426 = 0.1854 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.01425 = 0.057 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: ill have cash on hand even if thqat other guy does not show
Chaaang-Noi: he has not responced once i confirmed the dats
zebedee_: OK, done.
zebedee_: I'll have them on my phone.
Chaaang-Noi: you can send to my laptop?
zebedee_: Of course; I send to a BTC address :)
Chaaang-Noi: i can send you an address before hand but dont send until we meet and i show you the cash
zebedee_: Sure that's not a problem.
Chaaang-Noi: its crazy sending in advance
Chaaang-Noi: you hear about that finish guy? wired me 2.65 million baht
zebedee_: I was assuming you'd show me a QR on your mobile, but whatever.
Chaaang-Noi: still has not asked for his btc
Chaaang-Noi: yeah i dont trust phones
zebedee_: Yeah; that's why I thought you had too many THB.
zebedee_: I can understand that.
Chaaang-Noi: iv used them just to try it out, but id rather just use the laptob
zebedee_: No probs.
Chaaang-Noi: sorry, had a few beers
Chaaang-Noi: cant type
Chaaang-Noi: we are moving and giving away a lot of our extra furniture and stuff to the cambodian migrant workers here
Chaaang-Noi: and well, cant work with out beer :)
zebedee_: Which part of Thailand do you live in?
cads: mircea_popescu, I think you've inspired me to put a beginning of a story on my (currently nearly empty) blog.
cads: it will be far grittier than yours, just a start to a possible tale of intrigue
Chaaang-Noi: i live near koh chang
Chaaang-Noi: near the cambo boarder
Chaaang-Noi: lots of fruit orchirds here
Chaaang-Noi: so lots of workers
zebedee_: Ah right. I was in Siam Reap in November.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.0006992 = 1.0488 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: hey that guy just contacted me
Chaaang-Noi: should i invite him to nana? i honestly know almost nothing about him so i dont know if he is cool or not
Chaaang-Noi: he is new to btc
Chaaang-Noi: but seems to live in bkk
zebedee_: Up to you.
zebedee_: You seem to be not too far from Koh Samet - I was there in Feb!
Chaaang-Noi: yeah, im more east
thestringpuller: ;;calc 6.07*1.12
gribble: 6.7984
Chaaang-Noi: anyway i gota go afk for a bit, bbl peace
zebedee_: ttyl
zebedee_: mircea_popescu: What languages do you speak?
mircea_popescu: a few, why ?
zebedee_: Just curious.
zebedee_: Your English is v. good. Wondering how you learnt.
mircea_popescu: you learn languages from women, is my experience.
zebedee_: Lol. It's why I learnt Japanese at least.
mircea_popescu: yeah/. they call it "mother's tongue", but it's not really that special.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2828 @ 0.003388 = 9.5813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 143 @ 0.00338999 = 0.4848 BTC [+]
zebedee_: What software creates those weird comments in blogs that are something like "[...] some words or other [...]" with the square brackets? What's that all about?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2499 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13867 @ 0.0006992 = 9.6958 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: mp i learned thai froom women
Chaaang-Noi: never used a book
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.249999 = 5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.249999 = 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.0126 = 0.1638 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 5 @ 0.00165 = 0.0083 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 8 @ 0.0016 = 0.0128 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.25 = 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.244 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.243 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 994 @ 0.01003 = 9.9698 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: i have the urge to smoke some weed, have not done so in years, odd
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 11 @ 1.268999 = 13.959 BTC [+]
copumpkin: that sounds dangerous in thailand
copumpkin: I accidentally smoked a bit in Budapest
copumpkin: and found out that it's a big no-no
copumpkin: I crossed the Hungary/Croatia border with a little bit of weed and that's apparently a big source of international tension with Hungary, because Hungary is super hardcore about drugs and will throw you in jail for 15 years without a trial for 5, and quite a few foreigners are in that situation
Chaaang-Noi: using drugs in thailand is fine
Chaaang-Noi: selling or traficing is a big no no
copumpkin: ah, okay
Chaaang-Noi: the police and army sell and trafic here so its harsh punsihment
Chaaang-Noi: however they dont care if you buy and use their products
copumpkin: for competing with them? :P
Chaaang-Noi: yeah, they will kill you on site if you are thai
Chaaang-Noi: no shit
Chaaang-Noi: if you are not paying the right guy you are good as dead if caught
Chaaang-Noi: if not dead then 15 years in jail or so
Chaaang-Noi: buying your way out is millions of baht
Chaaang-Noi: but really a farang smoking a joint, they dont give a fuck
Chaaang-Noi: now meth is becoming an issue here, as it leads to crime
Chaaang-Noi: so they are cracking down on meth
Chaaang-Noi: people get hooked then steal shit
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 18 @ 0.003279 = 0.059 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: with opium or weed, they dont give a fuck
copumpkin: how about shrooms/acid/the weirder crap?
Chaaang-Noi: yeah thats fine, but you ahve to get it in tourist areas, and the dealers are paying the cops for sure (or they wont last)
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.003279 = 0.0066 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: thais done use that stuff
Chaaang-Noi: really the thais mostly use "yaa baa" or meth
Chaaang-Noi: coke is rally high here (far from the source)
Chaaang-Noi: h is cheap as fuck as is opium
Chaaang-Noi: weed too
Chaaang-Noi: but its mostly wild
Chaaang-Noi: not as good as the high end stuff you get in the usa
Chaaang-Noi: <copumpkin> I accidentally smoked a bit in Budapest
Chaaang-Noi: how do you accidently smoke?
copumpkin: oh I meant that had I known how harsh their laws were, I wouldn't have dreamt of doing that
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000698 = 0.0021 BTC [+]
copumpkin: or even bringing any into hungary
Chaaang-Noi: i dont cross boarders with it, never never never
copumpkin: it was just the end of a little baggie I had with me while traveling around europe
copumpkin: lol, did lots of that
copumpkin: but hungary is particularly bad
copumpkin: should've just finished it off in croatia
copumpkin: I bought it legally in amsterdam, had most of it, and then forgot about it until I got to slovenia
Chaaang-Noi: i want to travel europe like that
copumpkin: I got one of those rail passes
copumpkin: it was great
Chaaang-Noi: i dont know anyone to go with
copumpkin: very spontaneous travel with my gf for over a month
Chaaang-Noi: yeah that would be cool
copumpkin: we'd just say "oh, that train looks cool" and hop on
Chaaang-Noi: but my wife will have a hard time getting visa i bet cuz she is thai
copumpkin: yeah :/ it might still be possible, not sure how hard
copumpkin: lots of foreigners get those rail passes
copumpkin: they actually have different ones for non-EU citizens
copumpkin: annoyingly different price structures but not significantly different levels
Chaaang-Noi: money would not be the issue, it would be the visas
copumpkin: so I had to buy a new pass in the middle of the trip because I got the EU one
Chaaang-Noi: oh that sucks
copumpkin: yeah, not terrible though
copumpkin: anyway, definitely recommended
copumpkin: some countries are more annoying about letting you use it, but it was still mostly a win
Chaaang-Noi: id love to do it, but think it would suck if i did it alone
copumpkin: I'm not sure it would suck, but if you have a SO it would be kind of weird not to do it with them :)
copumpkin: I think traveling alone and meeting cool people in hostels is also fun
Chaaang-Noi: im not as out going as you might think :)
Chaaang-Noi: very content in my basement on irc :)
Chaaang-Noi: if i did the euope thing or whever im sure id hook up with a local girl
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: and then travel, or id have a bad time
Chaaang-Noi: big plans for cinco de mayo?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.DICE] 97 @ 0.00338999 = 0.3288 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 17 @ 0.00143 = 0.0243 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00144 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 625 @ 0.0016 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.001646 = 0.0823 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 307 @ 0.001647 = 0.5056 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 21 @ 0.001647 = 0.0346 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 53 @ 0.001648 = 0.0873 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.001659 = 0.0083 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.001679 = 0.0084 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.001699 = 0.0085 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 5 @ 0.00172 = 0.0086 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.0006992 = 10.8726 BTC [+]
Chaaang-Noi: * copumpkin fucks Chaang-Noi
Chaaang-Noi: that casued some lulz this morning :)
Chaaang-Noi: mp was like wtf!
Chaaang-Noi: cuz i said "good morning"
kakobrekla: mornin
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01003 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0101 BTC [+]
ardeay_: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 114.90000, Best ask: 115.33333, Bid-ask spread: 0.43333, Last trade: 115.43210, 24 hour volume: 103063.96248364, 24 hour low: 107.00000, 24 hour high: 118.85000, 24 hour vwap: 112.75249
cads: haha, copumpkin I never knew you partoked
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.012501 = 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 48 @ 0.0125 = 0.6 BTC [-]
cads: not that it's of any consequence (I had to quit, but I don't judge)
cads: also, cool you see you here
copumpkin: I've never actually done it in the US
copumpkin: I could, since my job doesn't check, but not particularly interested
cads: hmm, am I right to remember that last we talked ( a couple years ago) you were a grad student in midwest university?
copumpkin: nah, I was in a new england university :) but I quit my phd and moved on
copumpkin: but yeah, we did speak about it
cads: I remember I was writing my college application, and you gave me your encouragement
copumpkin: yup :)
copumpkin: going well?
mircea_popescu: he flunked
kakobrekla: o irc reunion?
cads: copumpkin: classes were boring. Substance abuse got unmanageable, and my debt was insane. I'm taking a year or two off to work on my sobriety, to work my same old job as a machinist and deleverage my debt a bit, and to wait and see what happens with higher education.
copumpkin: ah, sorry to hear that
mircea_popescu: da fuck this is the first time i hear someone say that.
mircea_popescu: what were you abusing ?
cads: just pot and alcohol
mircea_popescu: ok, that i did hear.
tiberiusiv: ;;asks 50
mircea_popescu: still waiting for the speed freak going "well it was getting unmanageable so i'm taking a year off to deleverage and see what happens"
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0068 seconds
tiberiusiv: ;;bids 50
gribble: There are currently 166245.52 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 13301613.3048 USD in total. | Data vintage: 4.3633 seconds
tiberiusiv: ;;asks 200
gribble: There are currently 112560.13 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 16843994.4159 USD in total. | Data vintage: 9.8288 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19499 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.195 = 0.585 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19799 BTC [+]
cads: mircea_popescu: I don't mind talking about my substance problem - I'm amazed and embarrased - I kicked speed and heroin to the curb back in 2007, but I thought pot and booze were fine. It's shameful that those brought me lower than anything else has. It's... refreshing to finally be in a spot where I can say _no_ drug is _ever_ going to be a good
cads: a good investment*
tiberiusiv: ??seen bugpowder
tiberiusiv: cads: so you admit to being a loser
mircea_popescu: well um... drugs aren't investments are they
cads: mircea_popescu: I share mostly because from time to time people hear my story, and ask me about how they can get clean
cads: tiberiusiv: absolutely :)
tiberiusiv: why would people want to hear about a loser
cads: tiberiusiv: it's not something I could address till I admitted, basically
tiberiusiv: we only like winners in here
cads: tiberiusiv: you may of course ignore all I have to say
tiberiusiv: cads sorry you arent motivational.
cads: tiberiusiv: and you are not someone that needs to hear what I have to say
benkay: trolling 12-steppers is the lowest
tiberiusiv: what country are you from
jurov: cads, no need to argue with tibby, just ignore him
kakobrekla: cads dont mind local trolls
cads: tiberius, and if that's true, then I salute you
tiberiusiv: i love how ex junkies think people want to listen to them
mircea_popescu: did tiberiusiv win the substance abusing competition too ?
mircea_popescu: is he like real badass ?
tiberiusiv: quiet gypsy
benkay: what's that trophy like?
cads: jurov, kakobrekla, you know, the 5th level of troll-fu is trolling the trolls with pure detachment ;)
jurov: cads, i tried
jurov: but i know when to stop
cads: jurov, I'm not there yet, lol
jurov: not sure aobut you (pun intended)
jurov: ;)
tiberiusiv: cads: where were you getting the funds to buy drugs anyway
tiberiusiv: the junkie usually runs out of $ before he kills himself with an addiction
cads: I mean, you think I'll continue talking to you if I can expect ridicule and if even your contemporaries call you a troll?
cads: Hah.
Chaaang-Noi: tiberslav new lows today i see
Chaaang-Noi: you need help
cads: You can apologize and recover your position or else wither.
Chaaang-Noi: maybe cads can set you right
tiberiusiv: apologize to a loser?
tiberiusiv: for what
tiberiusiv: ex junkies love to think they are some type of celebrity after
tiberiusiv: "sharing" their experience and story.
tiberiusiv: why dont you share stories of cool shit instead.
Chaaang-Noi: dude i share all sorts of shit
tiberiusiv: yea your fine
Chaaang-Noi: hell im smoking and drinking now
kakobrekla: how about not sharing your complaints tib
kakobrekla: rute them t dev/null
Chaaang-Noi: tiberslav feels the needs to share everything he gets upset about like some little girl
Chaaang-Noi: drama queen tiberslav is
Chaaang-Noi: all about tiberslav needs to be the center
tiberiusiv: just saying, EVERY junkie always wants to be a inspirational speaker. its like they accomplished something worth sharing
kakobrekla: cool you have said it move on.
benkay: mircea_popescu: i think this might work as well: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/pwnedk.jpg/?sa=0
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01255 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !l m s.dice
assbot: Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.00338999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there's all these liberals in my twitter feed wtf.
Chaaang-Noi: its twitter
Chaaang-Noi: what did you expect?
Chaaang-Noi: crypto anarchists?
benkay: the new social internet thrives on putting shit in front of you to raise your blood pressure
mircea_popescu: well i hope they butthurt well.
kakobrekla: no Chaaang-Noi, those are on facebook
cads: mircea_popescu: they're in your feed? or following you?
benkay: why are the crypto anarchists on facebook
benkay: actually i know the answer to that
mircea_popescu: cads in my feed
cads: mircea_popescu: if they were following you, you could make a game of offending them so greatly they unfollow you (and it would be fairly easy to analyze who unfollowed you, and what triggered it, lol)
mircea_popescu: In 2000, economist and former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers became president of Harvard. Soon after, Summers held a private meeting with West, where he reportedly rebuked West for missing too many classes, contributing to grade inflation, neglecting serious scholarship, and spending too much time on his economically profitable projects. Summers reportedly suggested that West produce an academic book befittin
mircea_popescu: g his professorial position, as his recent output had consisted primarily of co-written and edited volumes. According to some reports, Summers also objected to West's production of a CD, the critically panned Sketches of My Culture, and to his political campaigning, including an alleged three weeks to promote Bill Bradley's presidential campaign.
mircea_popescu: black guy of no academic value whatsoever gets told off by harvard president
mircea_popescu: harvard president is forced to step down within a year over having said women are maybe not quite as smart as men
cads: mircea_popescu: I have the same issue - I followed a bunch of people because they said something cool once or twice about category theory, haskell, or 3d printing, and the rest is all stuff about how their cat is awesome
mircea_popescu: cads this is worse, it's all retweets of dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: like how some adjuncts at some podunk uni should be paid or whatever nonsense
cads: the only twitter people I actually care to follow are dead authors - @kurt_vonnegut, mostly
tiberiusiv: twitters just another fad
mircea_popescu: i'd never follow something like that.
kakobrekla: tiberiusiv, get the sand out of your vagina pls
mircea_popescu: who is writing it and why are they using some brand
tiberiusiv: filled with twits who use it
benkay: +1
tiberiusiv: hence the name
benkay: degredation in service
cads: benkay: is that so?
cads: it's like "hmm people are still saying mostly pointless things"
tiberiusiv: cads do you need the link to silkroad btw?
kakobrekla: tib has it handy.
tiberiusiv: just making sure hes up to date
benkay: cads: it's a step backwards for the whole internet.
cads: kakobrekla: is tiberiusiv still talking :D
kakobrekla: cads fuck yea
tiberiusiv: facebook with 2billion or whatever users
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla scam. i see nothing.
tiberiusiv: can barely make a decent profit
tiberiusiv: twitters in the same boat
kakobrekla: also inception now.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.108899 = 0.2178 BTC [+]
benkay: when did the log go live?!
mircea_popescu: benkay i actually announced it yest
kakobrekla: shadap
mircea_popescu: but you weren't paying attention!!1111!
benkay: moar exclamation points plz
benkay: hey u
benkay: that's not what i assed for
benkay: anyways thanks to all involved
kakobrekla: eleven
mircea_popescu: fucking forum tards
benkay: this will make it vastly easier to pay attention
mircea_popescu: girl spells it with an o. his own fucking link spells it with an o
mircea_popescu: he spells it with an a
mircea_popescu: WHERE DO THESE PEOPEL GO TO SCHOAL
mircea_popescu: jajovregla : that's not what he assed for!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 1.9102 = 11.4612 BTC [-]
cads: kakobrekla: haha, cooool
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.25 = 2.5 BTC [-]
cads: hah, that's uncanny
cads: incpetion.. "we have to go deeper!"
kakobrekla: seems like /me's are skipped
kakobrekla: maybe ill fix it
kakobrekla: maybe i wont
cads: what script are you using?
mircea_popescu: mandatory utube link
cads: kakobrekla: I might need that capability for one of my chat channels
kakobrekla: no script
kakobrekla: a few lines of code
cads: kako, would you mind zapping them to me?
cads: hehe, truly I am a lazy developer (I know full well that there have got to be turn key solutions for chat logging, already)
kakobrekla: i dunno if its much use to you really ... unless i give you assbot too ya know
kakobrekla: well i searched for a premade solutions
kakobrekla: for about 5 min
kakobrekla: then coded my own
benkay: "maybe i'll come down! maybe I won't!"
kakobrekla: lol mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: he had a guy here a few years back, climbed on a roof all drunk and naked
kakobrekla: and demanded a helicopter and a pizza with an egg
kakobrekla: or else he jumps
benkay: "don't fuck up my beer now"
kakobrekla: then the police took him down and they had brand new car and couldnt oper the back door
kakobrekla: twas a van accually
kakobrekla: the guy ended up driving in the front among the cops, naked
mircea_popescu: with a hardon ?
cads: class :)
benkay: fearboner
kakobrekla: i dont remember seeing that
cads: kakobrekla: this sounds like a story from a former soviet state :D
kakobrekla: naw its somalia
mircea_popescu: actually the town here starting hireing local police and it was mostly chicks. on like, high heels and shit.
jurov: kakobrekla i have older logs for sale... almost uninterrupted since last september or so ;)
mircea_popescu: i got a bj once just on the strength of asking
mircea_popescu: local police is pretty cool.
kakobrekla: cads, slovenia really (dont want you get too confused)
kakobrekla: jurov i have longs since day 1 prolly
kakobrekla: but they are all messed up
kakobrekla: so fuck it
jurov: maybe i can unmess some logs in exchange for fucking
kakobrekla: who does who?
jurov: i'm versatile
jurov: let's try both, what feels better
kakobrekla: speaking of i heard that there isnt much fuckin among man gay community
kakobrekla: mostly oral?
jurov: where u heard? in church?
kakobrekla: orkaa [on this chan] has lots of gay friends and he did a pool
kakobrekla: maybe he did a pool too
cads: hmm, It's an interesting problem. Given some number k of incomplete logs, collected by different people, with different latencies, and hence different orders of message arrival in general, how do you fuse the logs into a single log that has more accurate information?
jurov: actually pool might work better
cads: if k is a large number, you can try to find voting blocs - groups of logs that agree on the same history
kakobrekla: cads you disregard accuaracy and thats it
kakobrekla: also disregard my grammer skillz
jurov: cads ask freenode to give you millisecond-precision data
cads: you think they log the channels?
jurov: i'm rather joking, likely not
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benkay: $avg
cads: in any case, the full problem is an interesting problem in the logging literature and in the AI literature - given some collection of possibly contradictory logs, process them into a single, more trustworthy digest log
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jurov: sigh. am wasting time, should be fixing minor mess here instead
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cads: the problem of combing two chatlogs taken from different view points is a much simpler instance of that general problem.
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cads: hehe, and it's totally unreasonable to apply those techniques, when there'd be nothing to gain that grepping through the collected chatlog as they are would not do just as well, hah
benkay: ;;ticker
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mircea_popescu: <jurov> where u heard? in church? << epic.
mircea_popescu: but jurov, seriously : in a household of three women i fuck each maybe once or twice a week
mircea_popescu: and in the ass once a month or less
mircea_popescu: i imagine they'd be pretty sore if the holes were reversed
jurov: oka, i did no research and seems i had luck on guys that don't think very highly on oral
jurov: "sore? yeah, get used to it"
Chaaang-Noi: off to get a massage, night all
tiberiusiv: later gook
Chaaang-Noi: you really are slow arnt you tiberslav? :)
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Chaaang-Noi: anyway have a good one, try not to fall down and kill yourself before i get back!
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mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets, the liberal-hating trade chanel where people discuss their sexual orientation and substance history
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kakobrekla: you forgot philosophical masturbation
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mircea_popescu: a that too yes
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cads: hey, any 3d printing enthusiasts in here?
kakobrekla: i have ~80% of cnc machine finished which im thinking i could convert to 3d printer
cads: oh nice, what layout?
cads: or make, really
kakobrekla: spent 5k+ on parts and a year of work (when i found the time to fiddle with it)
kakobrekla: then i got occupied with other stuff and its like that for like 2 years maybe more now
cads: kakobrekla: awsome gantry
inhies: i have a mendel
inhies: thats half way through an electronics upgrade from like two years ago...
inhies: =/
kakobrekla: cads its only missing Z axis really
kakobrekla: the rest is done
kakobrekla: i could put anything on it really
kakobrekla: a spindle or laser or a cigar
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cads: kakobrekla: the "vitamins" needed to put together a 3d printer - steppers, controllers, RAMP board, and linear actuators - are only around $300. As soon as your mill is up and running with a mill head, you could fabricate the parts for a 3d printer kit fairly easily.
kakobrekla: i already have steppers and cotrollers and all that shit
kakobrekla: 12nm each btw
kakobrekla: overkill :)
kakobrekla: and there are two for x axis
cads: The 3dp community advises against 3d printer/mill hybrids. A mill needs torque and stiffness, while a 3d printer needs lightness and feed speeds - they use speeds that are rather shocking to people used to traditional mills
cads: so a mill/printer hybrid will perform poorly at least one task :D
kakobrekla: well i can switch the gap on the rod that steppers move
kakobrekla: and that changes speed/power ratio as well
kakobrekla: what do even rather than any of that, sell it as is
cads: haha, how much?
kakobrekla: dunno gimme an offer
cads: I may _need_ a gantry, but I couldn't pay more than $800 for it, and this would likely be an insult.
kakobrekla: lol kinda
cads: considering your sunk cost
kakobrekla: id take maybe 3k for it
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> then i got occupied with other stuff and its like that for like 2 years maybe more now << i blame marketing.
kakobrekla: i was raped
cads: it's amazingly rigid looking construction - at least you have a quality product :)
kakobrekla: ya some pros were invlived
kakobrekla: such a machine finished is worth 15-20k
cads: I'm looking at a lower quality offering in the range of $1500, in kit form
mircea_popescu: so pay him in bitcoinz
mircea_popescu: or bitbet shares
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mircea_popescu: so i'm re-reading an old (romanian) article
mircea_popescu: and in the comments i make the following suggestion :
cads: kakobrekla: it needs z-fixtures and milling head?
mircea_popescu: some shetroll could implant christian-only eggs only to abort them 10 weeks in.
kakobrekla: if it werent for btc maybe id finish it
kakobrekla: cads yea preety much
cads: kakobrekla: I hope you do! What kind of ideas did you have planned for it.
kakobrekla: anyway i gotta jet now
kakobrekla: be back in 30 or so
cads: inhies: it seems like a lot of rep-rap grade printers end up gathering dust
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mircea_popescu: cads i blame marketing.
cads: hrm it pisses me off that the reprap community seems to be allowing large corporations to patentblock all the valuable 3DP IP
cads: they worked their ASSES off to make personal desktop manufacturing remotely feasible, and those high capital jackals are waiting for the market to mature so they can pounce.
cads: the worst part is that if you talk to the open 3dp community about setting up defensive publications, they're all like "heck naw. ain't gonna be no centralized IP control on open 3dp tech"
cads: or, "you have any idea how much it costs to file patents?"
asciilifeform: cads: the way I understand it, the main virtue of 3d printing is that you can build the thing in your basement out of junkyard parts and not give a rat's arse about patents or copyrights.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i understand agriculture correctly, the main virtue thereof is you can plant crops in your own back yard
mircea_popescu: and not give a rat's ass about patents or copyrights
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if someone found a way to "fix" the atrociously-inefficient RuBisCO enzyme, you could feed a family on what you can grow in a flower vase.
cads: agricultural genetic patents are such horse shit
asciilifeform: if 3d printers actually were what their enthusiasts imagine them to be (a substitute for industrial production) rather than machines for churning out brittle crap, the same dynamic would apply here.
cads: say my crop gets contaminated by monstanto genetics from a farm up-wind
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mircea_popescu: it may surprise you to find that inefficiency is a blessing not a failure.
cads: I'm not liable to damages claimed by the monsanto company
cads: s/not/now
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no surprise here. population explosion, catastrophe, etc
mircea_popescu: anyone want to see flowering salvia ?
asciilifeform: a CNC mill is infinitely more useful in practice. but it doesn't have the same sexy appeal to noobs who think they can produce arbitrary widgets just by hitting a button (actually false for both solid printing and cnc)
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mircea_popescu: "The AR is one of the few rifle designs where you could even think about using a lower receiver made out of plastic."
mircea_popescu: this is such bs.
mircea_popescu: you know i appreciate the sentiment of calling out business insider et al for their ignorance, which is patent and outrageous
mircea_popescu: but locklin doesn't strike me as much better honestly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it may help to know that the focus on the AR is solely because of a weird quirk of U.S. law
mircea_popescu: no, i just mean the bad science of it
asciilifeform: in the U.S., the part which legally counts as "the gun" is the piece with the serial number on it.
mircea_popescu: he upper receiver of the AR-15 is legally the gun, and a plastic version would melt if it didnÂ’t dissolve from mechanical stress the first time you fired it.
mircea_popescu: either he has no idea what plastic is or he's just following some script.
asciilifeform: so you can buy the entire metal portion of a Glock, for example (barrel and striker mechanism) with no paperwork, as if it were a video card. because the SN is stamped on an aluminum plate embedded in the lower, plastic portion.
mircea_popescu: you can in fact produce polymers of any arbitrary hardness, however you define it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: find me a polymer which can be used to produce a barrel reliably firing modern calibers. I know people who will pay very serious moneys for such.
asciilifeform: hardness is not the only issue. (temperature is another.)
inhies: hrm
inhies: my AR lowers are legally the gun, since thats where the serial number is :p
inhies: guess it all depends on where you get parts
asciilifeform: inhies: exactly. hence the 3d printer folks interest in the AR.
mircea_popescu: think of glock's nylon derivatives
mircea_popescu: also, plenty of non-plasticizing composites may well work in the 3d printer model.
asciilifeform: for those who have never seen an AR, the "lower" is simply a small can which holds the trigger/hammer mechanism, with the stock screwing into one end and the bold carrier/barrel assembly (known as the "upper") into the other end.
asciilifeform: people have carved AR lowers out of kitchen cutting boards, for instance. and even wood.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you can produce a polymer which reliably stays in one piece in the form of a rifled barrel, you can become a far, far richer man than you already are.
mircea_popescu: dude i'm certain it can be done.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: done, yes. consider aerogel. economically, no.
mircea_popescu: dissolve my foot.
mircea_popescu: economically was never the point.
mircea_popescu: hence my comment on bad science
asciilifeform: 3d printers are being touted by idiots as "we can now produce modern arms in our basement without knowing any machining." which is patently false, and is likely to remain so.
mircea_popescu: actually! here's a blueprint : i bet you can get a formulation of some sort of carbide, maybe even tungsten base, to dissolve in a solvent that evaporates at room temeprature
asciilifeform: metalworking isn't hard, but it does require some skill.
mircea_popescu: so you will be able to ACTUALLY print a harder-than-steel barel witha good 3d printer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, sintering. even in the USSR, they had it.
mircea_popescu: so then wtf is locklin on about
asciilifeform: only problem is, sintered materials are brittle
mircea_popescu: you don't fight bad science with bad science
asciilifeform: a barrel flexes (watch an AK on full auto on youtube, high speed camera. 4-5 cm of flex, like a Slinky.)
mircea_popescu: dude, let's make a pistorl
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mircea_popescu: before you make a TOW 6 barrel double rotating machine gun
asciilifeform: if all you want is 17th century tech, you can easily make single-shot pistol or shotgun from hardware store pipes. and it will be far more reliable (and deadly to the enemy, vs. the user) than anything you can get out of a $3k 3d printer.
mircea_popescu: and brittleness doesn't sound undefeasible either. maybe you add some guar gum or some shit
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look up the temperature of the inside of a barrel (of the smallest pistol) after one shot.
mircea_popescu: carbides melt now ?
asciilifeform: did you really suggest guar gum or the like?
mircea_popescu: i was making a point!
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mircea_popescu: as in, it's extremely unlikely you won't find a debrittleing additive
asciilifeform: if you don't need many shots, even this works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather_cannon
asciilifeform: my point wasn't that it is physically impossible to make small arms out of garbage (it is possible) but that a 3d printer gains you nothing compared to using parts straight from the junkyard.
truff1es: cads id like to read your blog, do link
mircea_popescu: it does gain you something.
mircea_popescu: at the very least the cool of it.
mircea_popescu: further, if my carbide solution actually works any, you could be making the guns as fast as you fire them for instance
mircea_popescu: imagine a remote opperated batter of gun printers and robofirers
asciilifeform: btw, I personally have a design for a 3d printer which prints solid steel. think "TIG welder" plus XYZ frame. but this would be ruinously expensive to run, and would burn down the house of the first idiot who builds on in his garage. so, unpublished.
truff1es: cads u seem like an intellectual who has succumbed to wordly distractions, its a shame youve given up on uni but gl nonetheless
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you want to go the whole hog, dispense with cartridges. fire nails or ball bearings, with injected gasoline for the propellant.
mircea_popescu: " If he just wanted to make a working gun out of a barrel and bolt, he could have done so with duct tape, modeling clay and superglue."
mircea_popescu: again, this point is correct.
mircea_popescu: but the foregoing statements are both incorrect and misleading.
asciilifeform: contrary to popular delusion, the fist of the State will come down in the future not on guns, but on ammunition.
asciilifeform: producing crude but working small arms is trivial. modern ammunition, not so much.
mircea_popescu: " Solid printers can make crude unassembled plastic parts; nothing else. No electronics can be made in this way."
mircea_popescu: again, this is fuckwittery.
mircea_popescu: all electronics are made in this way
asciilifeform: I can see the political virtues of reviving the skills of building 18th century muskets, but 3d printers aren't usefully in the mix.
mircea_popescu: chips are lierally printed
mircea_popescu: and then the pcbs are mounted by machine
mircea_popescu: this guy is incredibly ignorant and wilfully so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you own a chip fab? does it fit in your house? why, or why not? using the term "printing" for photomask fabrication is disingenuous.
mircea_popescu: the early printers didn't fit in my jhouse
mircea_popescu: nor the early computers
asciilifeform: astronomical tooling cost
mircea_popescu: note that i dispute the "can not" claim
mircea_popescu: i do not make the "can" claim.
mircea_popescu: again, if we protest scientific ignorance of journos
mircea_popescu: let's not demonstrate it one knot up the river.
asciilifeform: btw, I am personally researching a means for fabricating 1980s-level VLSI in "bush conditions." No prizes for guessing why. But I cannot promise that anything will come of it.
mircea_popescu: bush condition means no metal ?
asciilifeform: meaning a plebe's budget.
mircea_popescu: i'd bet against it.
asciilifeform: smart money bets against, yes.
mircea_popescu: no but i mean... you will need a laser.
asciilifeform: although I do have access to university surplus lab junk.
mircea_popescu: and very high precision controls for moving it
asciilifeform: SAW resonator
asciilifeform: Kerr cell for toggling
benkay: whoa
mircea_popescu: can you acrtually fabricate silicon with resonance without having very specially made foundry silicon ?
mircea_popescu: as in, won't it just crack ?
asciilifeform: no, you get the SAWs from the uni junkyard
mircea_popescu: ok, but do what with them lol
asciilifeform: alternatively, DLP arrays from consumer video projectors
asciilifeform: (granted the latter gives you LSI at best, 1970s level)
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mircea_popescu: i tell ye i don't see it.
asciilifeform: I'm more interested in the ion beam deposition approach, rather than optical masks, though
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asciilifeform: I assume you were asking about optical (traditional) photo etching
Guest18208: i am guest 18 fucking 208
mircea_popescu: hi guest.
Guest18208: just ask me anything
mircea_popescu: hows urmom
benkay: what is your mission
Guest18208: mostly anal
Guest18208: next question
asciilifeform: ion beam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_beam_deposition) is ever so slightly more doable, I suspect.
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mircea_popescu: mebbe. ianae
Guest18208: ianaproctologist
benkay: asciilifeform a friend of mine built an ion beam microscope
benkay: got a point source for waving around with em fields by using a pinhole
asciilifeform: benkay: one can trivially build an STM out of junkyard parts: http://www.e-basteln.de/index_m.htm
benkay: he told me that and i were all OMGOFCOURSE
asciilifeform: mostly useless for semiconductor work, though
benkay: this were no tunneler
benkay: and this is just an interesting anecdote
benkay: $avg
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jurov: maybe organic semiconductors would be more suitable than silicon?
asciilifeform: jurov: I'm looking into copper oxide
asciilifeform: "in 1995 R. G. Arns found a 1948 legal deposition by Johnson which said the opposite: that Bell Labs back then had a project to test Lilienfeld's transistors, and before Johnson took over the project,"
asciilifeform: "...a paper, JVST A Volume 20, Issue 4, pp. 1365-1368 describing transistors made with anodized aluminum gate insulator and a chemical bath deposited semiconductor (CdS/CdSe). Both are techniques that do not require complicated equipment (beaker, current source, heater) and should have been accessible in the 1920s."
asciilifeform: TLDR: an obscure German fellow almost certainly had working transistors in the '20s.
truff1es: did he get credit
asciilifeform: truffles: not really.
truff1es: unlucky
asciilifeform: although Bell Labs was denied the patent on the basis of his prior art.
truff1es: easiest way to steal ideas, work at patent office it seems
asciilifeform: granted, there is quite a leap from Lilienfeld's cupric oxide transistor to kitchen table VLSI. but it seems like a promising idea to investigate.
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mircea_popescu: if anyone missed it, the latest debate with datskovskiy is raging even now http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/#comment-93049
benkay: presumably for basement mining hardware?
jurov: i tried to point out that shitcoins are akin to banknotes that you can remotely tamper with their value
cads: asciilifeform: what's your 3d printing background?
jurov: and thus obviously nobody is interested in accepting them
jurov: but it went nowhere
cads: what I heard was a lot about printing guns, without any mention of things like the thingiverse, the form 1, makerbot industry's successes, the fact that the staples is rolling out a 3d printer that will be sold from their stores (the cubify offering).
cads: 3d printed guns is about 1 year old
cads: and the whole topic is only for lunatics
cads: this is like judging bitcoin solely on the characteristics of its use in the silk road.
cads: appplications for 3d printing are amazingly wide ranging. The cubify is a mass produced unit in the $1200 range, intended for crafts and hobbies, school classrooms, children, and so on.
cads: it's also misleading to say that 3d printers require the same CAD/CAM work that mills require
benkay: mircea_popescu GPG identity management services will eclipse the engineering payroll? o.O please correct my interpretation of what you said on the other side of that link
mircea_popescu: nope, that's it.
mircea_popescu: identity management will be larger than engineering.
cads: asciilifeform: this is not true - for a well tuned commercial printer, the process of turning a 3d design into gcode is almost trivial. Coding g-code for a cnc mill is amazingly hard for high complexity parts, and often requires the production of specialized tooling and setup costs for each new part you produce
kakobrekla: you dont code g-code
kakobrekla: nobody does that
cads: no, you synthesize it
benkay: or
benkay: print the big form
benkay: carve off the bits you need for dimensional correctness with a mill
benkay: let the printer do the complex geometry
cads: Yep. the print time of a part scales with the part's volume. The milling time of a contoured part scales with the amount of material removed, but more importantly, with the feature count of the surface produced.
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mircea_popescu: i think we all seen that ?
benkay: print time vastly exceeds cut time
benkay: cut time is lols for plastic
ThickAsThieves: why 54 u?
mircea_popescu: 5430 satoshi
mircea_popescu: not sure how he picked it but looks bellybutton sourced
ThickAsThieves: meh i guess i dont really care about the answer
benkay: just barely less than a cent today
ThickAsThieves: it seems like something theyll end up removing in the future, so why add it
benkay: 100 bucks at some far future point
ThickAsThieves: maybe to prevent some kind of spam attack?
jurov: they copied litecoin
kakobrekla: i dont like it
jurov: you can research what was the motivation in ltc case, maybe it was really spam
jurov: or marketing or rape
ThickAsThieves: or porn in the code!
mircea_popescu: im not sure why they're not just letting the tx fee decide
mircea_popescu: but whatever.
mircea_popescu: ah, actually, there is a reason
mircea_popescu: we are choked by nonadoption/node death
mircea_popescu: consequently there's no way to outcompete dust txs, cause you don't pay a fee to be relayed
mircea_popescu: tbh the no-relay-fee is probably the grossest fundamental oversight in the design of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: and it allows no easy fox
ThickAsThieves: guess we'll have to just wait for diablocoins
benkay: nonadoption of new version numbers?
jordandotdev: does anyone know if bitfinex has an irc channel?
ThickAsThieves: i had a thought about altcoin manipulaiton today, it seems that every new altcoin that pops up, magically has buyers on BTC-E. I wonder if it'd be feasible to support new coins so as to keep the difficulty low on the one coin you really want to control and prop up later, like litecoin. You get everyone to move their hashes elsewhere, and then keep reaping LTC, then you pull the plug
ThickAsThieves: one day on all the alts.
cads: benkay: lets talk more about 3dp later - I think there is a great future in personal desktop-based manufacturing, and it seems like 3dp is positioned to bring it to the consumer. There are lots of points of contention I'd love to chat about, but I gotta jet.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pretty much the pump and dump they're running
ThickAsThieves: they can even make money pumping the alts too, it just seems like it's a house of cards
kakobrekla: seems this alt chain thingy comes in cycles
mircea_popescu: btc-e is pretty much the reason nobody takes alts seriously
kakobrekla: together with bubbles
kakobrekla: or when was the last alt chain hype
kakobrekla: ixcoin and i0coin and whatnot
ThickAsThieves: so the question is, which, if any, altcoin is the "real" altcoin
kakobrekla: bitcoin is preety alt
mircea_popescu: ltc may have a chance. maybe.
mircea_popescu: tho the "mmo" idiots beat up in btc moved there, and it's prolly going to be the internet marketeer reservation
ThickAsThieves: cryto-trade.com was supposed to be a BTC-e competitor, but now it seems it was about as scammy as we thought
ThickAsThieves: crypto-trade.com *
asciilifeform: damn, went off to meatspace for a spell and missed all the fun here.
benkay: there's a log now
benkay: public and everything
asciilifeform: I got a month of running log, sure
asciilifeform: re: 3d printers: I work with a guy who is a serious solid printing enthusiast (five figure investment in various attempts, and most of his spare time.) he prints objects like phone charging cradles and parts for model aircraft.
asciilifeform: my argument isn't that solid printing is a waste of time (it is an interesting hobby) but that it is unlikely to displace industrial production for any everyday object
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ever ?
asciilifeform: I wouldn't say "ever", but it is about the same as home CNC machining
mircea_popescu: i tell you, originally they thought the same of industrial robots.
mircea_popescu: clunky, hopeless things.
asciilifeform: i.e. you need actual brains to make a useful object, to spec
mircea_popescu: ie, yuou need brains to climb stairs.
asciilifeform: even speaking solely of plastic objects where materials strength is unimportant, the main issue appears to be warping/distortion
asciilifeform: example: my colleague prints an iphone cradle, brings in five attempts. the phone fits in the fifth, but only because he threw in the towel and took a hand file to it
asciilifeform: the next day he brings in two pieces
asciilifeform: (it snapped)
asciilifeform: this doesn't prove anything in particular, granted
asciilifeform: other than the fact that real-world materials behave in all kinds of interesting ways
asciilifeform: and not at all like the ideal solid you see on the CAD screen
asciilifeform: btw, industrial robots are an instructive example, because in some fields they are available, but it is very difficult to get people to trust them for all but the simplest operations
mircea_popescu: except they do everything pretty much.
mircea_popescu: a fucking CAT scan is you fucking a robot.
asciilifeform: the hardware is superb, the vendor software: abysmal.
asciilifeform: at least in the pharma sector.
asciilifeform: I actually sell a replacement for the latter in one of my day jobs: http://www.molboxllc.com/products.html
asciilifeform: almost everyone seems to prefer grad students pushing pipettes, though
asciilifeform: given that the robot goes for $250K
mircea_popescu: lol basically making macros for computer illiterate folk ?
asciilifeform: just that
asciilifeform: except that in this particular case it works better
asciilifeform: (e.g. you don't have to measure the physical objects and fit them to a coordinate grid)
asciilifeform: most of the operations in high-throughput pharma screening are repetitive
benkay: grad schools suffer from an excess of cheap labor
mircea_popescu: t\hey don't really WANT to replace the students
mircea_popescu: because they get most of their income from pretending those students doing boring shit are "gaining"
mircea_popescu: killed 1 rat gained 5xp
benkay: they don't understand the costs of institutionally embedded knowledge either
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trust me, I know
asciilifeform: but in a few dark corners of the world, results actually matter
asciilifeform: (outside the academia pesthole, but even then, by far not always)
mircea_popescu: The Entropia Universe client is designed to operate on Microsoft compatible PC:s running Microsoft Windows as an operating system. It is not designed to run natively under Mac OS X or Linux.
mircea_popescu: However, your Mac running OS X or PC running Linux that meet the hardware system requirements for Entropia Universe may also be able to run Microsoft Windows, the operating system needed to run the Entropia Universe client software.
mircea_popescu: fucking retards ?!
benkay: yeah what is this entropica
benkay: gives me installer
benkay: wants to play
mircea_popescu: "your broken linux computer could be fixed by installing windoze"
mircea_popescu: wtf is this shit
truff1es: <benkay> there's a log now>>> where?
asciilifeform: most commercial software may as well have this nonsense printed on the box. it is certainly there, between the lines.
truff1es: k thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 839 @ 0.0006992 = 0.5866 BTC [+]
truff1es: my comments are on 1st page hmmm
truff1es: of today
benkay: also on the entropica topic
benkay: I have a feeling that parameterizing the space and understanding how the engine works is vastly more useful than any existing software package
benkay: also i have yet to see it run in real time
benkay: and it looks a little computationally intensive
benkay: "just run monte carlos over the whole space and optimize for availability of future paths"
benkay: "during each iteration of control loop"
benkay: well, each iteration may be overkill
mircea_popescu: i need someone to code me a mmorpg
benkay: and if you stay in the pre-calculated space you might be able to avoid re-running the sims
Namworld: [16:06] <mircea_popescu> i need someone to code me a mmorpg
Namworld: "Retards: a Bitcoin Story"?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00070573 = 10.5507 BTC [+]
Namworld: With colorful bitcointalk.org people as NPCs and a whole lot of cheap jokes and parody?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2087 @ 0.00070573 = 1.4729 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1972 @ 0.00070787 = 1.3959 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3086 @ 0.00070983 = 2.1905 BTC [+]
benkay: hoho
benkay: "you enter bitcoin-assets and are instantly covered in buckets of semen"
jurov: mirceeeeeaaaaa y u no ntp synchronize?
jurov: i'm pulling my hair out over an issue that boils down to trade execution dates few second before the orders were placed
jurov: on mpex
jurov: mircea_popescu, ur timewarp enginez are misaligned ^^^
benkay: he's probably yelling at the monkeys
mircea_popescu: Namworld lol maybe
mircea_popescu: jurov because the server does not have an internet connection.
mircea_popescu: time synch is a mutherfuckin pain
mircea_popescu: basically you're stuck synching to mpex rather than expecting real time having any impact
benkay: do you have something available for ntp to peer to?
jurov: but it even diverges from time given in stat header
mircea_popescu: now that's rare wtf.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.108899 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov is it the case right now or was it in the past ?
jurov: it manifests since yesterday
mircea_popescu: dude usure ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.24 = 2.48 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it;s like 10 seconds behind oddly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can synch time on a non-networked server using a GPS/GLONASS/Beidou-1 receiver
mircea_popescu: yeah but that doesn't fit ;/
asciilifeform: make sure to tune in all three constellations, as someone may want to fuck with you via signal spoofing
asciilifeform: doesn't fit?
asciilifeform: what are you using, a Palm Pilot?
jurov: stat relative to other data inside seems to be okay. whole thing including http headers has offset
asciilifeform: is is secreted in a slave girl's arse?
asciilifeform: you can get the receiver on a usb stick, and it will fit even there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only stuff like that i've seen is roughly larger than a server blade
mircea_popescu: and has to be so and so emplaced etc
mircea_popescu: jurov that'd be normal as the outer layer of servers ashould be more or less on normal time
asciilifeform: the industrial products, sure. but with a consumer stick the functionality is the same, minus the steel case.
asciilifeform: the girl will have to bend her arse towards the sky when you want to sync
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well provider i use didn;'t have your stick and i didn't press the issue
asciilifeform: and of course you maintain a local server, that the radio signal can only over-ride by a second or so delta either way
jurov: 2013-05-05 21:09:15,655 [mpex]:DEBUG:Response headers: [('Date', ['Sun, 05 May 2013 19:09:06 GMT']), << this is HTTP Date header from outer layer I guess
jurov: and it's 10 sec off, too
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.23 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: was this progressive and only now noticed or did it just happen ?!
asciilifeform: or buy a cesium timepiece yourself (4 figures USD on ebay) or a rhubidium one if you're a cheapskate.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.226 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't get radioactive material into that space ;/
asciilifeform: neither is radioactive
mircea_popescu: its decay innit ?
asciilifeform: only stable isotopes are used in a clock
asciilifeform: nothing to do with decay
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.01255 = 0.5522 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: microwave resonance of the element in question
asciilifeform: a clock based on nuclear decay would suck
mircea_popescu: aaanyways.
mircea_popescu: jurov so basically, the situation here is that the stat time and the tx time inside the stat is consistent
asciilifeform: seriously, even the dinkiest fm radio station has a rhubidium clock (to help stay in its purchased frequency band.)
asciilifeform: mpex can afford it
mircea_popescu: but this not necessarily consistent with other time signals such as http headers
mircea_popescu: is this correct ?
jurov: now it looks like both stat time, tx time and http headers are ~10 sec off
mircea_popescu: mpex is creating its own timezone.
asciilifeform: btw, the extent to which btc users can be fucked with through ntp spoofing is non-zero and quite interesting to contemplate.
asciilifeform: somebody ought to make a quick buck marketing usb rhubidium clocks to "supernode" fellows
kakobrekla: theres market for at least one
jurov: on May 2 and before there was only 1 sec difference
jurov: searchign for the point where it went bad...
kakobrekla: just dont fuck up the matrix
jurov: how could i fuck it? i just can claim "this is the point when matrix took over"
kakobrekla: someone called for cream with cherry on top https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196150.0
asciilifeform: also, I should note that, AFAIK, neither GPS, nor GLONASS, nor Beidou use crypto authentication for the time signal (or the coordinates!) so you could still be spoofed, if someone were interested.
asciilifeform: hence buying your own clock.
mircea_popescu: anyway should be all synced
kakobrekla: genjix: Tihan is a manipulative sociopath.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah and yeah.
mircea_popescu: these are the sorts of things nobody knows about. mpex too paranoid to allow ntp, mtgox buys more ram.
kakobrekla: >>Oh, and next time you trash and break a Segway in Vienna that Alex paid for because some fat girl offers you a hug...DONT RUN AWAY AND LEAVE THE SEGWAY IN THE STREET!!!!!! (true story for whoever wants to know. Roger, Erik and myself were there)
kakobrekla: lol wtf
kakobrekla: follow last retardcointalk url
mircea_popescu: The site had been losing money for months
mircea_popescu: who was contradicting me last week ?
jurov: asciilifeform: iirc iranians spoofed btc already and captured a drone
asciilifeform: jurov: yes, exactly
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu tbh could be just some bull.
jurov: *spoofed gps , not btc :)
asciilifeform: jurov: the funniest part is that the drone could have been using the military (authenticated) channel, but wasn't - because of "lowest bidder" hardware on board.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the dirty secret there is that the military chan is tyoo slow.
asciilifeform: jurov: all the Iranians had to do was broadcast the coordinates of the U.S. airbase the drone was to return to.
mircea_popescu: all bitcoin has is one fat girl and a broken segway.
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.003199 = 0.0096 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 97 @ 0.0032 = 0.3104 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-]
benkay: git status
benkay: oh derp
mircea_popescu: benkay were you asking me about the previous one ?
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.465 = 2.93 BTC [+]
benkay: don't know what you're talking about, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr was telling the previous new-exchange-idiot to pack it
mircea_popescu: and you were asking me whay or something
truff1es: lol new level of arrogance
benkay: no, i accidentally terminaled into x-chat
benkay: >>bashed in x-chat
benkay: are you referencing a conversation from a few days back?
truff1es: benkay the assumption here is that you repsonded to his praise of his pr person
dub: how long should I air dry computers that have been washed
inhies: wat
benkay: did you use detergent?
dub: no, just rain water
benkay: ah i would wash them again then
mircea_popescu: dub a week
dub: transporting command center to new dubhouse, had kayak on roof and water tracked along roof racks
dub: helpfully washing a laptop and mining rig
mircea_popescu: you aid computer not laptop.
mircea_popescu: a laptop is basically neversafe to use again, unless you take it apart.
dub: well the saving grace is its battery is completely dead, only works with power attached so hopefully no residual power to short anything
mircea_popescu: I am just speculating but it seems to me that Mircea isn't really a racist even though he could have conveyed his point more gently by considering the history of racism and ethnic discrimination in the U.S. and the fact that Bitcoin is popular within the same demographic of people that will actually read him, despite his Armenian descent he could have been more considerate of other nations
kakobrekla: now that ppl accually read you, you must watch your mouth
mircea_popescu: but why am i armenian
mircea_popescu: he thinks im maddox ?!
kakobrekla: make "im better than your wife" page
mircea_popescu: tyhat may be dangerousd
dub: !ticker b asicminer-pt
assbot: The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.
dub: !ticker btctc asicminer-pt
assbot: [BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 1.12 / 1.20323 / 1.268999 (303 shares, 364.6 BTC), 7D: 1.12 / 1.25659 / 1.32475 (1650 shares, 2073.4 BTC), 30D: 0.6269 / 1.05905 / 1.75 (6980 shares, 7392.2 BTC)
dub: btctctfctctc worst brand ever
kakobrekla: you can use bt for short
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.465 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.01255 = 0.1255 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.3194 = 2.5552 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.21001 = 3.63 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01255 = 0.0628 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00070862 = 9.9915 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu:
mjr___: sup everyone
truff1es: whats on today mjr?
mircea_popescu: not much
kakobrekla: >Small issues friend. We are attempting to make our exchange very reputable. I don't see value this year, but 10 years down the road when crypto-currencies are truly the trend. Our vision is to build a long lasting product for our market - We need a good team to do that.
kakobrekla: >I should have been clear on the aspect of the design and basic functionality - I think bitstamp is a clean interface but you are right, they have their flaws. Engine wise, I'd look towards the process MtGox is taking on and the partnerships they have forged with various companies to increase their survival (see: Prolexic partnership).
kakobrekla: he said survival.
mircea_popescu: so dear assets ppl, help me see what classics i've missed.
mircea_popescu: played the entire heroes of might and magic series,
mircea_popescu: played most ultima
mircea_popescu: played gothic
mircea_popescu: played wizardry
mircea_popescu: baldur's gate and all the stuff on that engine
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;calc 43.48 / 1.60
gribble: 27.175
thestringpuller: ;;calc 43.40 / 1.60
gribble: 27.125
thestringpuller: ;;calc 43.20 / 1.60
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu you haven't played vidya games until you've played mega man 2
mjr___: any JS devs here
zebedee_: The bitcoin blocks are flying right now.
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1081 = 0.2162 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;calc .25*46.48
gribble: 11.62
thestringpuller: ;;calc .75*46.48
gribble: 34.86
thestringpuller: ;;calc 55 - 34.86
gribble: 20.14
benkay: mircea_popescu are you still looking for classics?
benkay: DWARF FORTRESS
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.22 = 2.44 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 234719 | Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 | Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 | Next Difficulty In: 1152 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 33 minutes, and 49 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10449088.1411 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.69973
mircea_popescu: i nev er played that one ?!
mircea_popescu: lol what's this, 2006 rogue ?
dub: ;;nethash
gribble: 77399.968439
dub: in happier news my new local chinese takeout has a street fighter 2 machine
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.01255 = 0.1883 BTC [+]
mjr___: hey all, if you are interested
mjr___: check out my new blog post at blog.btcshares.com
mjr___: work in progress
mjr___: can't get comments to work right yet
truff1es: blogs of people ive chatted 1 vs 1 are more interesting to me ive found
truff1es: what kind of content?
truff1es: i can be a harsh critic if u want my brutal honesty let me know :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.01255 = 0.0502 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: ??seen bugpowder
tiberiusiv: so once again im proven correct when i said bitcoin wouldnt sell off because of the lawsuit
tiberiusiv: while bugpowder claimed we would have a weekend sell off
mjr___: truff1es: harsh is fine
truff1es: some people just cant handle it u know
mjr___: as far as content, it WILL be stuff related to bitcoin, my views on the current news of bitcoin, my ideas about future projects...
mjr___: personal views on bitcoin related things, i guess to summarize
truff1es: i like what uve written, very readable
mjr___: So this is a rough draft first start
truff1es: the actual page presentation dont like
mjr___: mainly trying to show the history of community based exchanges and how this could work for bitcoin
mjr___: I might change the them
mjr___: theme
mjr___: love some feedback on that
KRS-1: dont hold your breath
truff1es: the highlighted part is like glaring at me
mjr___: hahaha
KRS-1: fontas said all cryptocurrency will die off
mjr___: yeah, that was due to the copy and paste
mjr___: oh well if fontas said it...
KRS-1: he has spoken [silence]
joecool: mircea_popescu: why don't you go in #bitcoin-otc anymore?
KRS-1: lol
mjr___: truff1es: i think i'll edit the formatting on the copy and pasted parts...i'll see if there is a different way to show that they are not my words
truff1es: just have block quotes then?
truff1es: indent it..
truff1es: lots of historical things here, kinda holding back from compulsively fact checking
mjr___: truff1es: you are welcome to fact check
mjr___: though most of it is not very controversial
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4514 @ 0.00070983 = 3.2042 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5786 @ 0.00071081 = 4.1127 BTC [+]
truff1es: yea ive come across this already..
mjr___: It was not questionable enough for me to bother with citations
mjr___: though i may be a bit more academically rigorous in the futuer
truff1es: only because of ur content i make that point
truff1es: seriousness of it or something
truff1es: what puzzles me about mtgox and bitcoin is why the need for id..
truff1es: should be optional
mjr___: yes of course
mjr___: but they rely on banking system
mjr___: hence id's and aml and kyc and etc etc
mjr___: if this reaches critical mass we can bypass all of that
mjr___: slight change to annoy the glaring copy paste
mjr___: ugh i wish i could make it commentable by anyone
kakobrekla: wp install is 2min
truff1es: geo-location features hmmm
truff1es: no to drone strike
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.222 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: ;;asks 50
gribble: There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0041 seconds
tiberiusiv: ;;bids 50
gribble: There are currently 168769.47 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 13655295.8024 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.7688 seconds
truff1es: i dont think i like this color scheme
tiberiusiv: ;;bids 100
gribble: There are currently 38558.078 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 4173894.5056 USD in total. | Data vintage: 9.3899 seconds
tiberiusiv: ;;asks 200
gribble: There are currently 111318.88 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 16734739.414 USD in total. | Data vintage: 15.3346 seconds
tiberiusiv: ;;asks 150
gribble: There are currently 65599.796 bitcoins offered at or under 150.0 USD, worth 8940923.01739 USD in total. | Data vintage: 22.5084 seconds
joecool: !asks 1
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.2 = 3.6 BTC [-]
mjr___: so, content wise: ___
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00070897 = 9.5711 BTC [-]
mjr___: color-scheme: ____
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00070862 = 5.9524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00069899 = 0.6291 BTC [-]
truff1es: good read
mjr___: just so you know, i don't really care about the second one
truff1es: terrible
mjr___: i'll see if i can do something else
truff1es: is this like BitInstant?
mjr___: no
mjr___: not at all
mjr___: i will hold no coins or fiat
mjr___: all clearing is done p2p
mjr___: just info
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 1 @ 0.699 BTC [+]
mjr___: and consensus building
mjr___: if other cities want to set up an open air exchange, they could all ideally figure out where and when using app
mjr___: geolocate is not a "requirement" in fact, the whole site will have as few requirements as possible
truff1es: a blog explaining the process would be great
mjr___: hmmm, post 2 i suppose
truff1es: its fuzzy to me atm
mjr___: basically, i have a bunch of people meeting me in union square tomorrow
mjr___: they are all there to trade bitcoins
mjr___: so for now (unless i get this site up in less than 18 hours) they will need to walk around to each other person, or yell it out
mjr___: they will have to calculate how much they are buying and selling
mjr___: they will not know necessarily what the other 2 people bought or sold for
mjr___: they could know
mjr___: but may not
mjr___: so project buttonwood is aiming to solve those issues
mjr___: ideally you can just easily see an order book and either place an order or take an order already listed
mjr___: with cash settlement on the spot
inhies: f u btct.co
inhies: y ur api dum
mjr___: (hence GPS, if you aren't there i can't take your order huh?)
truff1es: have an irc link or something ppl enter when needed
mjr___: IRC still doesn't maintain a best bid and ask
mjr___: though i think i will link this to an IRC channel as well
mjr___: also IRC won't have a one button solution to taking an order
mjr___: but, you are on the right track somewhat
truff1es: oh its just for the geolocation aspect
mjr___: think a chatroom/messageboard where all messages are orders and they are sorted and displayed a certain way
mjr___: for example: 1btc for $115 is not useful
mjr___: but that is how prices are shown
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4663 = 0.9326 BTC [+]
mjr___: but for cash, $20 for .243 bitcoin is useful
mjr___: since i have a $20 bill
mjr___: i think i will denominate trades in $10 bill increments...not sure, $20 is more common to have, but also bigger size
truff1es: no change huh
mjr___: I added some pics of possible looks at the bottom
mjr___: i mean...you could use change if you want
mjr___: but do you really want to?
mjr___: bitcoin is easily split up into whatever amount you need, dollars aren't
truff1es: at any money i have so much random loose change on me
mjr___: anyways, the web app will be a facilitator of trade
toffoo: mjr___ i just finished your blog post, sounds really interesting, best of luck with the project!
mjr___: thanks toffoo
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 115.78021, Best ask: 115.99697, Bid-ask spread: 0.21676, Last trade: 115.99997, 24 hour volume: 84071.33502587, 24 hour low: 107.00000, 24 hour high: 118.85000, 24 hour vwap: 113.57700
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4663 BTC [+]
mjr___: again, the app is not necessary...you are free to show up (the fact i would say that is only because people don't understand) and do whatever you want
mjr___: you are by default free to do whatever you want
truff1es: i think i get the general idea
mjr___: if the app makes your life easier (address prepopulated into webwallet/coinapult) etc
truff1es: a few things are fuzzy
mjr___: then enjoy it
truff1es: post write up maybe i pinpoint it
mjr___: once you get this first level idea to spread, then brokers could deal cross exchange
mjr___: integrate with #bitcoin-otc
mjr___: etc
mjr___: I guess I will write a follow-up to specify how i see it playing out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00071081 = 9.7736 BTC [+]
truff1es: your system could facilitate widespread bitcoin adaptation
truff1es: getting past the hurdle of explaining it to the average joe will be biggest imo
tiberiusiv: ;;last
gribble: [19:35:11] <truff1es> getting past the hurdle of explaining it to the average joe will be biggest imo
tiberiusiv: ;;price
gribble: Error: "price" is not a valid command.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.2 = 3.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.1081 = 2.162 BTC [-]
dub: I just got burned by china
dub: goddamn lazy ass motherfuckers
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 3 @ 0.01555 = 0.0467 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 13 @ 0.01599 = 0.2079 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 49 @ 0.015998 = 0.7839 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 35 @ 0.015999 = 0.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01255 BTC [+]
mjr___: http://blog.btcshares.com/follow-up
mjr___: truff1es: there is the follow up piece
mjr___: a lot less formal
mjr___: this is practice to the former's theory
truff1es: will read in a few, too much on my screen laggg
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.01255 = 0.0628 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01255 BTC [+]
truff1es: User XYZ is the one selling, and AHA he has a btc address linked to his user profile, with one tap, i see his wallet contains 1.2 bitcoins. >>> is this just to explain or is this part of the app
mjr___: this would be part of the app, you can link a btc address and the app will do a mouseover with info from blockexplorer or bitcoininfo
mjr___: we are talking specs right now
mjr___: not what it actually does, which is say hello to bob and show the time
mjr___: if you choose to link an address you can load that address with coins so people know you have coins for sale and are not just bullshitting
truff1es: our hero gives the guy $80, and User XYZ presses send, the coins fly on their way to their new owner.>>> what about physical security?
mjr___: physical?
mjr___: i mean...
mjr___: compare and contrast scenario 1 and 2...my web app can't physically protect you
mjr___: BUT
mjr___: compared to localbitcoins which is "meet me in this alley over here" (joking but it is let me meet this guy i don't know)
mjr___: would you really feel like walking into a group of people and saying give me the cash and then running?
truff1es: people rob banks though
mjr___: i would say LESS likely than in a one on one scenario
mjr___: yes
mjr___: true
mjr___: because of risk/reward
mjr___: your reward in this scenario is small, with very high risks
mjr___: i picked a public park for a reason
mjr___: police presence
truff1es: hit and run though
dub: how does that work?
truff1es: it would be better if it were among a group of people im familiar with like say irc chat group
dub: you grab the other party and run away with them?
mjr___: dub: LOL
mjr___: you would have to walk up to a group of people...get them all to hand over cash or bitcoins...all while attracting no attention
mjr___: and again, you would be in the middle of a groiup
mjr___: and if you have seen parks
mjr___: they are big grassy areas...the cops are usually on the sidewalks around the park
dub: I think its a good place if there are police around
mjr___: in fact, in union square the subway station is below the park and has its own precinct
mjr___: but fine, let's say starbucks
truff1es: people rob banks
mjr___: you would walk into starbucks, and do armed robbery
mjr___: ok...
mjr___: your point being that banks will never work?
truff1es: need something other than for me to trust that a cop will come to my aide
mjr___: ...
mjr___: so how would you do a transaction now
mjr___: gox?
mjr___: this isn't for people who have gox
mjr___: this is for people who don't want to use gox
mjr___: or for people who want to get a better rate than gox
mjr___: or sell for more than gox offers
mjr___: its localbitcoins with much better features
mjr___: and again, i am not selling it
mjr___: i dn't really care, if it is valuable it succeeds, if not, it doesn't
mjr___: point is there are 10-15 people meeting up in union square tomorrow
dub: its a lot safer to have a larger group than two involved too
mjr___: in a group of 40 it was unanimous
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.01255 = 0.2761 BTC [+]
mjr___: dub: exactly the point of this
mjr___: groups are self-policing
mjr___: and in an animalistic sense, they offer protection from lone attackers
dub: pretty hard to controll a group that size, coerce them into giving up keys etc, in a busy public area with LE around
kakobrekla: police will be like "ooo whats this suspicious group of people, they seem to be handling cash amongs each other and typing on their phones, must be some sort of interweb drugs, lets bust em all"
mjr___: yes
mjr___: kakobrekla; that is the balancing act
dub: a lot harder than robbing a bank
mjr___: kakobrekla: not too shady for cops to care, but cops still there if needed
mjr___: i think the key to that is sitting down
dub: maybe if you all did some kind of dance as well
mjr___: you look like a group of friends if you are sitting, AND someone can't run as easily
mjr___: dub: no thanks...i have my limits
kakobrekla: lol dub
dub: the police will assume you are a bunch of assholes from the internet
dub: or wear LARP costumes
mjr___: oh noes! its the silk road!
mjr___: dub: ok, that has some potential
mjr___: IRL silk road
mjr___: best business idea ever?
mjr___: oh wait, its called drug dealing
kakobrekla: but but!
kakobrekla: you could be a public broker
kakobrekla: take cash and orders
mjr___: hmmm
mjr___: true
kakobrekla: order on SR with btc
mjr___: like those ebay brick and mortars
kakobrekla: delivery straight to their homes
mjr___: hmmmm, what would my liability even be?
mjr___: i never touched cash or drugs
dub: I think a bunch of suits standing around takign pictures of each others phones is not going to raise to much suspicion
mjr___: dub: i agree, but also, even better if we can do it without QR codes
kakobrekla: "ill pay 20 to take a pic of your phone"
mjr___: hahaha
kakobrekla: "no ill give you 25"
mjr___: that is how we sneak under the radar
mjr___: pics of our phones are very valuable
mjr___: yes officer, i told him he could take a pic of my phone for $22
mjr___: thank god this is all being logged
mjr___: for future generations i mean
mjr___: we have a duty to our descendants
dub: use RKOI as cover ,all bring blinged out phone cases and wear rolex
mjr___: that is actually a great point dub
mjr___: if people actually dressed nicely, the cops would probably never even think to bother them
dub: wear four rolex added douchefactor
mjr___: i'm telling you...there are bars in nyc that are known coke dens
dub: just don't invite genjix
mjr___: that have never had a cop inside in ten years
mjr___: because drug use is not a problem if you have a white collar job
mjr___: my friend, and this is not a joke, this actually happened, walked into a police station
dub: yep, tis the same everywhere
truff1es: or the club is paying the cobs well
mjr___: to file a report on something else
mjr___: they asked for his ID
truff1es: cops*
kakobrekla: for the record, mjr has white collar job.
mjr___: he pulled it out with a bag of coke
mjr___: and handed it to the cop on the counter
mjr___: the cop, and i am not shitting you, turned his head
mjr___: and kinda grunted
mjr___: my friend apologized and picked up his coke
mjr___: the cop turns back and says now what is this report you want to file
mjr___: that is the world we live in
dub: I did almost the same thing
mjr___: cops could give two shits about a guy causing no trouble who looks decently respectable
mjr___: you could probably do it in front of them and they would say "really? you can't use the bathroom like everyone else?"
dub: cop is talkign to me outside a party about whats going on inside, reach in back pocket for cigarette
dub: put joint in my mouth and go to light it
mjr___: LOL
mjr___: i'm guessing story doesn't end with handcuffs
dub: he's like 'uhh' I go oops, put it away and we keep talking
mjr___: millions of stories just like that
mjr___: most cops are cool if you aren't a dick
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01255 BTC [+]
mjr___: if you look vagrant, or sketchy, or maybe arabic nowadays (sucks but true) they will probably harrass you
mjr___: actually, i take that back, if you look RELIGIOUSLY arabic they will bother you, rolex and nice suit, go on your way, sir
mjr___: in fact for pretty much everyone, nice suit is all it takes to become invisible to them
mjr___: anyways, that was kinda off topic, point is, look like normal humans, don't act crazy, cops will protect and not harrass
mjr___: and more to the point, that has nothing to do with the idea, the idea ASSUMES that you are already meeting up in a group
mjr___: because that is ALREADY what is happening tomorrow
kakobrekla: some massive buying started
kakobrekla: oh wait
kakobrekla: im on a short chart
kakobrekla: nvm, off i go, nite
KRS-1: mjr you are right about drug use and white collar jobs..i know for a fact my jobs have suspected me but i never heard anything nor had any tests
KRS-1: same with coworkers
dub: dude I have a bunch of drug priors, never been a problem getting employed
mjr___: yep
mjr___: i have no record
dub: not chicken farms either, IBM, other multinationals
mjr___: truff1es: i agree that you are taking some risks, the point is that you can minimize those risks if you WANT to take part in an IRL transaction, that is what this tries to do
KRS-1: miami is a lot like NYC except we invented the cocaine and business mix lol
KRS-1: Whoever thinks coke is not like it was in the 80s in Miami is sorely mistaken.
KRS-1: Its even more mad.
mjr___: truff1es: but you also take risks with btc-exchanges or otc, it is a different set of risks, but you could have your exchange shut down (bitfloor, bitcoin-central, etc)
mjr___: you could have your money stuck in limbo for a week+
mjr___: you could have a scammer on OTC
truff1es: is there a max to how much an individual trades?
kakobrekla: 21 mio btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1257 @ 0.00070101 = 0.8812 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00070023 = 8.4728 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6308 @ 0.00069899 = 4.4092 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3023 @ 0.00069757 = 2.1088 BTC [-]
tiberiusiv: miami is not like NYC lol
tiberiusiv: where do you get that crap from
tiberiusiv: miami is a fucked up city
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.47529999 = 2.3765 BTC [+]
tiberiusiv: btc is not heading down as i told bugpowder
tiberiusiv: why isnt he showing up here lol
mjr___: kakobrekla: NICE
mjr___: lol
mjr___: although...
mjr___: theoretically he could trade back and forth
mjr___: buying and selling 21 million bitcoins
kakobrekla: i thought it was per trade
mjr___: truff1es: to be serious, since i am not brokering, escrowing, backing or in any way touching your money or your bitcoins, i could care less how much you choose to transact with someone else
mjr___: as far as taxes, regulations, that is your responsibility to report, pay or whatever
mjr___: does craigslist limit transactions?
mjr___: or are they liable for people paying taxes?
mjr___: think of this as craigslist
truff1es: never used it
mjr___: a site that makes mpex look like it was designed by johnny ives
mjr___: sir johnny ives
mjr___: lest i be too familiar
mjr___: kakobrekla: i added some comments to the follow up post to reference the skateboard comment
truff1es: i think i mightve visited it a few times, might as well do so now
truff1es: i guess i never really visited the site
kakobrekla: haha mjr___, skateboards up this motherfucker ya know
truff1es: mjr it seems ure satisfied with whatve uve came up with, gl
kakobrekla: maybe ill send one to taaki, as fan
KRS-1: fontas: 122 aaahhh it's party time
tiberiusiv: mjr shutup
tiberiusiv: your idea sucks and you have no $ to build anything
KRS-1: lol@tiberiusuv
dub: haha
dub: good old tiberiusiv
KRS-1: the one man trollbox
dub: ;;next
gribble: targets: 127, 130-140, 160, 190 | support: 116.5 | resistance: 120 | very bullish on Chinese interest in Bitcoin | #bitcoin [Mon, 06 May 2013 02:54:46 +0000] | tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 | disclaimer: http://bit.ly/139er6E | this is not investment or trading advice | #bitcoin-analysis | https://twitter.com/BitcoinOracle | 20 minutes and 7 seconds ago
dub: not sure if china news is good or bad
tiberiusiv: news is irrelevant as ive proven in here time and time again
tiberiusiv: i said on record on thursday when the price was high 80's that mtgox lawsuit meant jackshit
tiberiusiv: and everyone said the price would crash on the weekend
tiberiusiv: im waiting to rub it into bugpowders face
dub: it kinda did
kakobrekla: mjr___
kakobrekla: just find a solution to quickly find the other party in the grup of 30-50 ppl
kakobrekla: or whatever
kakobrekla: off i go now srs.
dub: I'll be the one wearing a propeller hat
dub: also inb4 some fucking loser shows up in a guy fawkes mask
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3714 @ 0.00071081 = 2.6399 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00071162 = 2.9888 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167 @ 0.00071587 = 0.1196 BTC [+]
mjr___: lol skateboard up in this motherfucker
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.2660005 = 1.596 BTC [-]
mjr___: truff1es: well, i am satisfied in the idea...a system to help people seeking to exchange btc for fiat physically. The blog post may not be clear, may have grammar or spelling errors, etc. But, the IRL exchange already exists, so I can't really deal with questions about it existing
Chaaang-Noi: <asciilifeform> fork! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196138.0 and this is why ltc
asciilifeform: Chaaang-Noi: one might even suspect that the idiot patch is a ploy to keep LTC alive.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2660005 = 0.532 BTC [-]
Chaaang-Noi: keep it alaive? its better than ever :)
asciilifeform: were it not for this nonsense, LTC might well die a well-deserved death in the near future.
asciilifeform: the only real advantage of LTC (ASIC-resistance) is an illusion.
asciilifeform: it just needs a different ASIC (one that includes an SDRAM controller.)
Chaaang-Noi: i hold a lot of ltc so my fingers are in my ears
asciilifeform: fair enough
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.466 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: I am personally working on an FPGA setup for LTC
Chaaang-Noi: but its going to be nice to have ltc when this forks (and thus fucks) btc
asciilifeform: and I can't promise that I will tell anyone when it comes online
asciilifeform: make of that what you will.
Chaaang-Noi: yeah i know you are trying to 51% attack it
Chaaang-Noi: but i dont think you will
asciilifeform: nah, that's another guy
asciilifeform: FPGA is cheap you know
Chaaang-Noi: well, im willing to buy
Chaaang-Noi: love to have one
asciilifeform: that's where I get them, at any rate
Chaaang-Noi: lots and lots of people are working on it and have for over a year, but no one seems to be close
Chaaang-Noi: i mean id buy a finished product
asciilifeform: no one cares to announce that they have it, and share the code (why?)
asciilifeform: that is not the same as no one coming close.
Chaaang-Noi: if they can mass produce themthey will makemore money
asciilifeform: I, for one, don't care to try mass producing anything in my living room.
tiberiusiv: did you get what i wrote chaang noi
tiberiusiv: litecoin will fork wiht increased transactions it isnt scalable
Chaaang-Noi: tiberslav!
Chaaang-Noi: tiberslav did you not know btc is our test chain?
Chaaang-Noi: we broke 120 btc, and the 2 million dollar wall is gone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00071587 = 9.02 BTC [+]
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