feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2020/05/work-report-5162020/ << Bimbo Club -- Work Report - 5/16/2020
diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/05/03/ossasepia-logs-for-may-2020/#1026029 - I think the matter goes deeper than that; I'll note first that "wealth" is NOT the same thing as cash + assets + whatever else "has X" you come up with, just in case any log reader has such ideas (all history + literature provide *plenty* of examples as to how and why wealth is not essentially a "having" as much as a "being"); perhaps a clearer way to look at it ...
sonofawitch: 2020-05-16 23:43:14 (#ossasepia) trinque: the lordship failed because most of the folks involved were not independently wealthy and lacked the time to do said authoring.
diana_coman: ... is that the people involved still had lower-level problems to solve before they could meaningfully tackle the problems of "lordship", as simple as that; not a matter of "didn't have time, if only someone would have given them this or that or the other", no; ftr and exactly the reason why I even mentioned the original meaning of the term marquis/marquess - those were not going to the sticks essentially because "they were ...
diana_coman: ... independently wealthy", what the fuck.
diana_coman: if anything, they were going there exactly because they were *not yet* independently wealthy - that was their chance to become though and some made it, some didn't.
diana_coman: which ones made it and which didn't had nothing to do with how much time they had, either.
diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/05/03/ossasepia-logs-for-may-2020/#1026038 - absent the structure, the whole thing is purely of historical/academic interest, there is nothing to internalise as such.
sonofawitch: 2020-05-17 00:27:18 (#ossasepia) trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-05-16#1025997 << this definition doesn't seem to have worked, so I'd be careful about internalizing it.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-05-16 16:48:22 jfw: weren't the minimal requirements to lordship 1) attendance in the forum and 2) the fief - something important that you owned / took care of?
diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/05/03/ossasepia-logs-for-may-2020/#1026042 - indeed, this is absolutely true.
sonofawitch: 2020-05-17 00:32:06 (#ossasepia) trinque: realm does not mean place in the same way sovereign does not mean person.
diana_coman: lobbes: let me know if there was something you wanted to discuss today.
trinque: diana_coman: I also wasn't claming that someone ought to have given us anything. was exactly pointing to the lower-level problems you mention.
trinque: wealth indeed is not simply money.
diana_coman: seems we are pretty much on the same page there, then.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/the-pool-party/ << Trilema -- The pool party
feedbot: http://www.krankendenken.com/2020/05/collecting-the-scattered-bits-and-doing-something-useful/ << Krankendenken -- Collecting the scattered bits and doing something useful
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2020-05-17#1026053 << sorry, I should have been around. No, I didn't have anything to discuss this week
ericbot: Logged on 2020-05-17 08:24:50 diana_coman: lobbes: let me know if there was something you wanted to discuss today.
lobbes: Thinking on it, I haven't really needed the standing meetings. I'm fine to just drop them going forward and if I need to discuss something I'll just reach out in channel (though ty for letting me try out the idea).
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2020-05-11#1025861 << infamous "ought to"s is more like it...
ericbot: Logged on 2020-05-11 06:15:44 jfw: lobbes: the famous "ought to"s, heh.