whaack: diana_coman: EOD Report: I did 4h of saltmines + the trip to Santa Cruz + wrote my article. the lost 4h on saltmines and no dedicated Spanish time are b.c. of going a little over time with my article and b.c. i was awake for fewer hours today
diana_coman: whaack: well, spill over is spill over, yes.
whaack: diana_coman: a previous report was a major overstatement - i have ~40,000 channels from ~200 networks rather than [700,000 channels from ~500 networks][http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-28#1014202]
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-28 02:17:11 whaack: just under 700,000 channels right now. I am missing channels from roughly 100 networks. They mostly offline, but some have a few rules that are messing up my script, such as "you must be connected for 60s before grabbing the channel list"
diana_coman: whaack: lolz, quite the difference there; how come? and are there in the end ~500 networks and you're missing ~300 or are there simply ~200 total or what?
whaack: diana_coman: there are 597 listed networks on netsplit.de, but some of them appear dead (i can't connect via the advertised hostname/port)
diana_coman: whaack: btw this is NOT programming ffs, it's monkeying at the keyboard, ugh.
diana_coman: whaack: did you even spot-check those to see if it's perhaps just your bot(s)?
diana_coman: it seems rather too large a chunk to be just bogus although it's not impossible nowadays either.
whaack: diana_coman: i got the 500 networks-with-channels number because i ran an improper reduce on my list of networks. atm now i have nfi how i got the 700,000 channel total
diana_coman: ahahaha
diana_coman: well, at least it's funny.
whaack: i think i did something like pipe it to wc and counted the words instead of the lines
whaack: yup, that's what i did
whaack: diana_coman: no i didn't spot check the networks where I received USOCKET errors
diana_coman: it's just too many to leave it at that; one way or another it needs looked into; can still wait since there's a whole lot otherwise to get started on those you could connect to, but you can't say "they don't exist, netsplit.de is wrong" just on what you have so far; leave them for now in "??? category" perhaps, for laters.
whaack: diana_coman: yes, I plan to investigate all the networks I was unable to connect to.
diana_coman: all right; but it can wait.
whaack: diana_coman: I think right now I need to design the pipeline that connects channel-snagger and fleetbot. So fleetbot can use what is available atm and begin logging, and then when new networks and channels appear it will start logging those as well
diana_coman: sounds sensible, yes.
whaack: diana_coman: For the issue regarding connecting enough bots to the bigger networks, it will take more time to build this - but I am willing to get enough ips and route through them.
whaack: diana_coman: The work for that would be to setup ~10-20 proxy servers, and then find out how to set CL to route through different proxy servers on a per-thread basis.
diana_coman: whaack: that can also wait though; first make at the very least a "test run" that fully works and you know what's going on in there.
diana_coman: whaack: also re "silence", do notice that it might be due to the holidays time to some extent; it is New Year's Eve, after all.
whaack: diana_coman: of course, two networks were in Bulgaria and it was late at night for the majority of the time i was connected
diana_coman: whaack: does the bot log the join/parts too?
whaack: diana_coman: no, would you like it to?
diana_coman: I'd rather it did; ideally marked as a different category (so you can filter them out/in later, at analysis time)
diana_coman: but it can give I suppose an idea of just how much of the whole imagined "activity" is nothing more than ...automated processes basically.
whaack: diana_coman: okay. i will look into adding it
diana_coman: cool.
whaack: diana_coman: as for doing the "test run", should I connect a fleet to say ~50 or so small networks where I don't run into the max-connections-per-host problem?
diana_coman: whaack: yes; and monitor it's run for at least several days/ a week, it's basically a first chance to get some idea of the practical issues; atm it's even unclear how much data you'll get for instance (and I expect that's anyway going to end up on some power law basically but still); test run indeed.
diana_coman: its* ; ugh.
diana_coman: whaack: do select your sources better, really; that "definition" of codependency is worse than useless really; the first part is microsoft-style and the 2nd part reads more like a confusion than a definition; the core of it is the enabling of one's faults (hence the previous clue re don't use tmsr as a crutch)
diana_coman: also, you glossed over/chose only some parts to answer to in that comment, lol.
diana_coman will bbl
whaack: diana_coman: okay i'll reread and comment addressing the points i missed. i had already waited 2 days to respond and i wanted to get _some_ response in.
diana_coman: whaack: why the delay anyway?
whaack: diana_coman: i thought writing a reply would take a while
diana_coman: you can always ack the point(s) otherwise and note you'll need to think it some more or something but even better maybe discuss it instead of just spinning around it.
diana_coman: whaack: heh; did it take then more than alloted and so you cut out parts or how does this even work?
whaack: diana_coman: i just addressed the points I saw most important to respond to and eventually decided i had spent enough time and hit the comment button
diana_coman: basically "the rest is not worth my time" then?
whaack: diana_coman: arg no i don't think that even if my actions say it
whaack: diana_coman: but spinning on it is not worth my time, and i'm worried that i'll lose hours doing that
diana_coman: heh, good; but yeah, that's what they say and why I said you should have at least explicitly stated that you need more time to consider the other points.
diana_coman: whaack: so...don't; hence - discuss/ask/talk, do NOT spin.
whaack: diana_coman: alright i will get back to that comment thread later today after some saltmines. writing the article and reading the comments helped me quite a bit. the most important discovery was from mp calling out the b.s. 'worthy-because-worthless' reasoning that was underlying my "his strategy to stay safely seated on his throne and keep the council well indoctrinated"
diana_coman: whaack: ok; possibly "next year" even, no hurry.
whaack: diana_coman: erm i need to clarify that is a light new years reference and not stinging sarcasm lol
whaack: diana_coman: ^ that is a malformed q : you are saying that it's okay if I get to it tomorrow, correct?
diana_coman: whaack: ahaha; yes, it's okay if you get to it tomorrow, no worries.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-30#1014287 - I wasn't using the <, but I changed those << for << and that indeed solved it, thank you!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-30 04:53:15 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-29#1014265 - possibly it gets confused by those < < that remained as such, try making them < since you do that for the rest anyway, right?
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-12-30#1014289 - yeah, I let myself get caught in, "this should be so simple, wtf am I overlooking ?"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-30 04:57:24 diana_coman: dorion_road: also, don't bang head alone for that long - come in here and someone will bang your head for you if needed - or otherwise help you out way faster, you know?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: While I'm doing DNS things, did you have the minigame.biz restored anywhere?
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: sadly no; it's only logs.minigame.biz that lobbes handles and so it's up.
diana_coman: dorion_road: aren't those/the other < normally handled by jfw's script? ie did you just find a bug in jfw's script in fact?
dorion_road: diana_coman I didn't use his logotron2wp script there, but won't neglect to use it moving forward.