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asciilifeform: $ticker btc usd
busybot: Current BTC price in USD: $41785.47
asciilifeform: !w poll
watchglass: Polling 14 nodes...
watchglass: 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.021s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717593
watchglass: 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717593
watchglass: 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=717593
watchglass: 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=717593
watchglass: 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.082s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=717593 (Operator: whaack)
watchglass: 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.147s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717593 (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717593
watchglass: 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.259s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717593
watchglass: 94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.375s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716830
watchglass: 82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.327s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717012
watchglass: 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.693s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717593
watchglass: 75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.382s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717593
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: asciilifeform)
watchglass: 143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
asciilifeform: !w probe 71.191.220.241 8333
watchglass: 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.096s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717593
whaack: morning asciilifeform, looks like cheap coins are getting cheaper
whaack: over time, i've found that i enjoy price swings in either direction
thimbronion: whaack: oddly same here
asciilifeform: whaack: indeed, waterfall plentifully watered lately
whaack: anyone using mpwp have a good solution for spamola in comment box? for a while i was able to manually go through it but it seems i've been overrun by the bots
asciilifeform: whaack: asciilifeform's arithmetic puzzler 100% cured spamola
asciilifeform: whaack: would prolly work w/ mp's wp, it uses nuffin nonstandard. lemme know if want a copy.
whaack: right, i would use something like that, but i'm trying to see if someone has the exact place in the code where i need to put it
asciilifeform: whaack: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=pAi- << strictly unofficial copy. iirc dun require any manual changes to theme.
asciilifeform: whaack: modify per own tastes.
asciilifeform: whaack: it's a simplistic, to the point of laughter, puzzler, but since installed absolutely 0 spamola in mod queue.
asciilifeform: (evidently suffices to trip all known automated spamatrons, and effectively discourages meat-powered ones on top of this)
asciilifeform: whaack: lemme know if you get a chance to try it, whether worx
asciilifeform: interestingly, when had ~just~ the xor puzzler, w/out the fg thing, ~did~ see coupla spamturds.
dpb: whaack> anyone using mpwp have a good solution for spamola in comment box? for a while i was able to manually go through it but it seems i've been overrun by the bots << use css to make the email field invisible, and use php to auto discard any comment with an email address
asciilifeform: dpb: hm wouldn't that break the 'email addr as adhoc seekrit' thing, where comments from once-approved folx auto-post ?
whaack: asciilifeform: tyvm
whaack: dpb: thanks for the suggestion as well, i share the same concern as asciilifeform
asciilifeform: in all fairness if you dun use the 'approve once, can then autopost' pheature, dpb's variant prolly does work against bots. but likely not against meat-powered 'philipinos'
dpb: yep, i don't get enough comments for it to matter, i approve everything manually, and i don't mind meatbots
whaack: asciilifeform: added, change to be only a very simple math puzzle, will see how it fairs
whaack: changed*
asciilifeform: whaack: be sure to test it manually
whaack: asciilifeform: of course, and it worx
asciilifeform: whaack: prolly copypasta from random www
asciilifeform: btw whaack billymg or other wp aficionados -- if you know how to make the puzzler appear ~above~ the 'submit' button, plox to write in
asciilifeform was not able to find a clean way to do it
signpost added similar cheap meat robot test, ended all low-effort spam
asciilifeform: worx surprisingly well
signpost: will be mighty nice to instead take comments from wot over pest, in threads.
signpost: the comment format in wp is loathsome.
asciilifeform: signpost: was thinking further re 'pest-usenet' -- possib. msgs oughta have a 'the next msg is to be seen as part of text of this one' bit flag
dulapbot: Logged on 2022-01-06 20:51:40 signpost: the capacity for threading's super interesting; I look forward to pest-usenet
signpost: yeah, a continuation marker, was thinking about that too.
signpost: perhaps m of n type thing?
signpost: rather, index and count-of-whole
asciilifeform: imho not strictly necessary to give the N
asciilifeform: sadly this'll require biting off some from the 324 bytes currently allocd for paylod
signpost: suppose you're taking messages from peers all the time without ending, yeah
asciilifeform hates breaking protocol, but there's a reason it's '0xfc' atm
signpost applying the define-all-things-definable religion everywhere to see what sticks
signpost: imho there's great value in permitting long form sanely
asciilifeform: imho ideally in a dedicated (i.e. not irc frontend) pestron, operator could throw in whatever length msg he likes (within reason, if it's a GB may trip his wot's rate limiters, whatever these happen to be)
asciilifeform: the cutting into packets oughta be transparent to operators
signpost: indeed. and if for example I got a gb from asciilifeform, I'd assume it was important and gladly accept.
signpost: wot applies nicely here
signpost: "shit, the gasenwagen has arrived. here is my life's work, disperse as widely as possible"
asciilifeform: signpost: sure, but you might not want to always issue the getdata's for the whole GB immed.
signpost: also true
asciilifeform: really for large payloads lubyism & similar beats the shit outta sequential chunking
asciilifeform: (in the latter, a good % of packets received will be 'orphans', to use trb terminology)
signpost has thought about this as perhaps a message type to request a lubyistic transfer, which opens a side channel and blasts lubywads to peer
asciilifeform: right, would contain the final hash, title, possibly handful of 'right half / left half' hashes
signpost: (then atop this, one can build something where he asks his wot for $hash, and whomever has starts blasting lubywads until requester says stop or sender decides enough, at say (1+$lossRate)*$originalMessageLen or w/e)
signpost: can have a much better bittorrent on this without coordination
asciilifeform: closest ancient item asciilifeform used , to this, was ye olde 'emule'
signpost: yeah, I loved those days.
asciilifeform: (the 1 with kademlia baked in)
signpost brb, changing meat locations
billymg: asciilifeform: in my theme was one line that had to be moved to put the arithmetic test above the submit button, dunno how different our themes are though
billymg: in your theme do you have a comments.php file with a line that looks like `<?php do_action('comment_form', $post->ID); ?>`?
signpost: seems scoopbot died.
PeterL: billymg which one line do you move?
billymg: PeterL: in my theme that line, `<?php do_action('comment_form', $post->ID); ?>`, was the one that spit out the extra fields from asciilifeform's spam trap plugin. i just moved it where i wanted it and that was it
signpost: gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-01#1060442 << it turns out peterson is lately closer to nietzschean thought than I realized, though I don't know if he'd characterize it as such.
dulapbot: Logged on 2021-10-01 13:08:40 gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-01#1060433 << Burke, Carlyle (and more recently, Dr Jordan Peterson) represent an
signpost: peterson's notion that perhaps imagining the greatest possible man and emulating him is beneficial regardless of the truth of the mythological man is directly lifted from nietzsche.
signpost: this was what the ubermensch was meant as, a projection of the superlative man before oneself towards which one strives.
signpost: imho peterson's taking the coward's way out in deeming that this must occur within traditional religion, but the style of mental operating system is timeless in either case.
signpost: perhaps one could claim that the religious rendering protects against any particular mortal claiming they are the embodiment of the ideal, but in practice that doesn't appear to have stopped anyone.
PeterL: asciilifeform: so I thought the math challenge would just show up on comments, but it shows up on my admin login too, I guess that is an extra bit of security
scoopbot: New post on Blog of Peter Lambert: From the Spam Trap
whaack: PeterL: i think you have a rather selfish scoopbot :p
PeterL: I just restarted it a minute ago !
whaack: i guess the bug is that this channel writes articles with such infrequency that scoopbot goes down without anyone knowing
PeterL: from its log it looked like it was up until at least the 2nd, then mysteriously hung
signpost: got timeouts on your sockets and all that?
PeterL: it was saying something about "WARNING Receive socket closed, disconnecting." and then was trying to reconnect over and over again for a while
PeterL: but turning it off and back on again seems to have worked, the classic comp-sci way to fix everything
PeterL: Если не ты управляешь своим временем, то твоим временем управляет
PeterL: кто-то другой. Сергей Коротков
PeterL: I'm even getting spam in russian!
PeterL: what does it say?
PeterL: I'll be off now, if you notice scoopbot not hanging around let me know (I keep up on the logs more than I am actually here)
asciilifeform: PeterL: 'if you are not in control of your time, then someone else is'
asciilifeform: PeterL: yes it also shows up on login panel.
asciilifeform: thimbronion: plox to take a look at this when you get a chance
bitbot: (pest) 2022-01-07 asciilifeform[billymg]: very odd, my station is getting (per debug log) packets from his, but none of'em decode
asciilifeform: rather mysterious failure mode, afaik not seen prior
billymg: thimbronion: found a bug in blatta. if you /unpeer with someone you have keyed it will crash inside get_keyed_peers() in lib/state.py because it iterates though the peer_ids in the keys table, but one will be missing from the list of peers
asciilifeform: billymg: pest logger seems to be down btw
asciilifeform: (possib. related to your find)
billymg: asciilifeform: yeah, the log bot is up, but since i'm not in the chan there's no one to relay messages to the bot
billymg: probably oughta manually peer the bot with a few others
asciilifeform: billymg: 1'ma send you a key for it, 1s
billymg: yeah, that's what it was, i'm back in #pest now and so bitbot can log again
billymg: had to manually delete signpost's key from my sqlite db to get around that bug
billymg: asciilifeform: got it, will restart the bot with that entry
thimbronion: mod6 can you send key in a gpggram?
thimbronion: *send me a new key created using /genkey
thimbronion: billymg: will check out the bug
mod6: thimbronion: sure, give me a few mins here, will send ya one.
thimbronion: I am very excited to see lots of activity and interesing discussions on pestnet. Looking forward to getting back into the swing of things end of Jan. Have made some progress on implementing db migrations in the mean time.
mod6: Thanks for the help
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