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feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/the-slap-and-human-dignity/ << Trilema -- The slap and human dignity
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-21 16:55:04 jfw: Indeed mom taught me the English cases (though perhaps not the fucking cases) and sentence trees while the sixth grade did not; and I remember grandma taught me handwriting exercises that the second grade couldn't be bothered with
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-21#1958429 << they become the fucking case if she includes the ablative, and explains the difference between it an' the accusative. otherwise if it's only five of them,they're the simple cases not the fucking cases.
jfw: Indeed mom taught me the English cases (though perhaps not the fucking cases) and sentence trees while the sixth grade did not; and I remember grandma taught me handwriting exercises that the second grade couldn't be bothered with
jfw: I'll pass along the invite, why not. She gonna need a GPG key and everything? :D
jfw: mircea_popescu: a consonance of dislikes between my own branch of the old generation and the young republic; how nice & harmonious!
mircea_popescu: jfw, tell mom to come in sometime, i wouldn't mind commissioning ru versions of some trilema articles from ye 30year veteran editor of the executive intelligence review.
mircea_popescu: the notion of trees as an approach to human knowledge is such alien mp-arcana not because mp came up with anything, but because everyone else failed 6th grade, can't take sentence produce the grammatical tree therein.
mircea_popescu: it's true, too. esl tards are UNIQUELY illiterate, you've not seen anything like it, "college graduates" with a sub 1k word vocabulary and understanding of grammar so rudimental as to render them incapable of theoretical production on the level of naming the fucking cases, or practical accomplishment on the level of analysing one phrase...
mircea_popescu: "It is salutary to remember that the majority of English mother-tongue applicants for translation posts in the European Commission fail because of the poor quality of their English." << i lulzed.
mircea_popescu: in other coincidentalia, who's susane welsh!
mircea_popescu: in other coincidentalia, who
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me the rather ridiculous ustardanism of "i think i know how to spell my own name" passed unadressed in the melee. so let it be said plainly then : this notion that rando mcnobody is nevertheless the authority on the spelling anf pronounciation of the label denoting them socially is little more than quaint provincial affectation. it enjoys neither respe
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2020/footnote-callback-tooltips-for-mp-wp-thetarpit-markdown-plugin << The Tar Pit -- Footnote callback tooltips for MP-WP thetarpit Markdown plugin
mircea_popescu: So IMHO it's worth stating in the documentation that some command is expected to have certain flags available, which in the end would lead us to a complete enumeration of system utilities and the functionality they provide, which IMHO would be worth at least as much as the current POSIX spec. << this btw is eminently a service and likely to produce the way forward.
mircea_popescu: in the end it turns out, forking musl is unavoidable on very deep, far reaching, fundamental grounds.
mircea_popescu: oh oh. the comment sections
jfw: mircea_popescu: you mentioned the broken sorting here at least
mircea_popescu: what the fuck "long time computer users" ? we're using periphrases for humanity now ? the fucking cows don't belong in computing already.
mircea_popescu: nerally undesirable. Most of the language specific locales have tables that specify the sort behavior to ignore punctuation and to fold case. This is counter intuitive to most long time computer users!"
mircea_popescu: "At that point sort appears broken because case is folded and punctuation is ignored because ‘en_US.UTF-8’ specifies this behavior. Once specifically requested by LANG and other LC_* variables, sort and other locale knowledgeable programs must respect that setting and sort according to the operating system locale tables. That is why this is not a bug in sort, sort is doing the right thing, even if the behavior is ge
mircea_popescu: oddly i can't find havng discussed that whole pile of unicode breakage in the logs -- though i'm pretty sure i said something on multiple occasions.
mircea_popescu: and the same thing's obvious if one reads any codebase important enough to have been around since before september. like say coreutils, or like say anything else.
mircea_popescu: g them go about their day that indeed they'd have reconstructed a world much more in their own image. out of garbage, multicolorous, strangely odorous, europe's little more than one giant brazilian favela -- except, again, for the indignity of ruins preventing their aspirations.
mircea_popescu: it's quite obvious, incidentally, perusing the collection of liberated rats, that the walls are rather in their way. if there weren't all these things they practically speaking stole from other people (through the complicity of father time, not through some sort of effort on their part) being in the way, if it weren't the case they lack both the drive and the equipment to tear them down, it's rather self-obvious watchin
jfw: And Europe's still got the infrastructure and scenic castles and classical languages and all that to think it's still a thing
mircea_popescu: certainly builds up one's capacity to understand the saddest face.
mircea_popescu: the poor fucks never got a chance to catch up, because the other retards, the lazy, inept, EQUALITARIAN retards of "Il est interdit d'interdire !" & co managed to catch down instead.
mircea_popescu: but now, revisiting the matter half a century later -- the frankfurt-oslo axis barely qualifies for historical addis abeba.
mircea_popescu: romania helped, with tech transfer, with political support, including AGAINST the moronic us & friends (a tradition, by the way). so did the russians, and the chinese, tho veiled by their alt-flavoured imperial pretensions.
mircea_popescu: i very vividly remember the STRIVE, the fucking indomitable drive of black people in the 70s an' 80s to catch up, to become, to civilize, to build up their countries. it started in the early years of the century, with luminaries like the emperor of ethiopia ; it bulked out and by the 70s it was a deluge.
mircea_popescu: which, sadly but painfully, has been my experience of europe. i took a coupla sluts born in the colonies to take in the glories of the motherland, and the motherland meanwhile's turned 100% chad.
mircea_popescu: and these scions of africa 2.0, they have enough sense to object-oriented.
mircea_popescu: neways. the cows have enough sense to find their own house, but only if the gate hasn't been changed recently -- the village cattle minder just takes them to the end of the village as the air turns dusky, and they on their own time sorta lumber towards the respective storage units
mircea_popescu: no substitutes are acceptable, it has to be the exact one.
jfw: They'll need to get that cowpie into unicode 12.2.
mircea_popescu: sitting at the gate tryina figure it out. "do these people hate english ? or everything other than english ? hmmm!!! my premise could not possibly be faulty, i'm a literate veal that can spell his own name, just look at this last cowpie, how well it speals -- VEAL!"
mircea_popescu: "literate" veals, very capable of scribbling their own name in an alphabet of their choice (somehow nobody notices "using an alphabet of your own choice" is THE OPPOSITE OF SPELLING, and the exact definition of illiteracy -- all the fucking farmhands who can't read or write COULD scribble something down, anyone can screech random squgg;lies, with a shovel in a pile of dirt, with their own piss on driven snow, fingerpain
mircea_popescu: for my sins i find myself surrounded by the problems of my ancestors, which i guess is making them happy. fucking hell.
mircea_popescu: so it sits an gazes at the thing, and could sit there all evening. you have to know you have to send one of the children to drag the animal back in. it's one of the fringes of proper manhood, things far out in the footnotes of the book of being an 1700s romanian peasant, stuff only a few know, BUT ALL EVENTUALLY DISCOVER.
mircea_popescu: and the veal does not know what to do. it does sorta look like his house, but then what is THIS thing ?!
mircea_popescu: this necessarily means that every veal returning home will return to a new gate every time the man has fixed his.
mircea_popescu: now, the time for the cows to leave the house is in the early morning, they go grazing. whereas the time to fix your outer gate is kinda noon-ish, after more high priorty items were seen to.
mircea_popescu: you see, in traditional culture everything has a time and a place. that's it's principal quality, the thing that makes it a culture in the first place : it's complete.
mircea_popescu: literally it means, "you gaze upon it like the veal at the new gate". it translates into literature an ancient experience of an ancient cattle herding people :
mircea_popescu: there's this romanian idiomatic, it goes "te uiti ca vitelu' la poarta noua".
jfw: I took it as, "wait wut, do these people hate English or everything-but-English??"
mircea_popescu: good god, with minds like these what need of scholarship.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha, and THAT is offensive to the illiterate self-spellers ?!
jfw: mircea_popescu: ah no, the line he and then I attempted to link was "The English sources at my disposal underwhelm, so let's instead take a stab at the Latin beneath."
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-19 15:44:57 diana_coman: jfw: eh, that's the usual way socialism always goes - it's "the people's interests" except of course they get defined discarding any given individual's input if it does not match "what the interests should be" etc.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-19#1958344 << quite exactly, the perfect wankdevice.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what some illiterate moron deems problematic about that sentence, maybe it's the vocabulary, such as the word "sin". god knows they have vocabulary problems all the damned time.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 19:33:08 tecuane: which is weird af when you consider the second line of the first link on your ml post: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r08ACagY/image.png
mircea_popescu: the salient points are 1. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-18#1958204 somehow linked to 2. something off trinque's blog which reads "Therefore we may not sin too much calling complexity the measure of how weaved-with an item is, either in itself or with its surroundings.", if that indeed's what was meant by "second line".
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-19#1958342 << i dunno, i was trying to unravel a disorderly ball of poorly made references by the illiterate farmhands of the object-oriented cvasi-programming cult.
mircea_popescu: illiterate users of spellkits for their own name seem to me less desirable than literate people, so whathevers. i guess the practical difference between musl and say python is actually nil, and if you want to use it you'll have to fork and maintain it.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-19 15:37:57 jfw: "Not treating users like they're "illiterate" if they want to be able to write their own name has always been the most important
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-19#1958336 << i guess. these retrospective statements of "what was ALWAYS most important" rather evoke dreamstates. if the person in question was in fact literate, he'd have linked the historical statement, rather than provide an ad-hoc reintrepretation of what he currently thinks was "always" the most important.
jfw: hanbot: haha yes. Their code is the complete and exclusive source of ability!
hanbot: "This will allow non-English speakers the ability to understand the errors that are happening on the computers they own." << jfw lol check out the thinly-veiled ownership hierarchy. "you need us in order to pretend to ownership!"
deedbot: hanbot updated rating of asciilifeform from 3 to -1 << For all his pretensions to personhood, this guy actually needed me to save him from a hotel bill he couldn't handle as he was too stupid, neglectful, or both, to check out on his own. Years later he's decided to keep raging against acquiring basic skills by attempting to tarnish those who tried to help him. In a word, the ficklest friend I ever thought I had.
diana_coman: well, they are certainly stuck to "resolve" through pretense of one sort or another; whether that is the easiest pretense or not doesn't even matter all that much, it's more like a forced move really, what *else* are they going to do since they rule out entirely addressing the root cause?
jfw: easiest way to "resolve" the nonexistence of a singluar "people's interests" I guess
diana_coman: jfw: eh, that's the usual way socialism always goes - it's "the people's interests" except of course they get defined discarding any given individual's input if it does not match "what the interests should be" etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 22:00:03 mircea_popescu: so what's the point, casual usage of the word sin is triggering ?
jfw: well at least he puts it in terms of HIS interests rather than all users worldwide in the abstract
jfw: core value of the project, and your attitude towards the matter here does not make me interested in going out of my way to cater to you."
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 19:29:06 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: to my mind the "no one user matters more than another" means of course "no user matters at all" ; because it follows by necessity.
jfw: "Not treating users like they're "illiterate" if they want to be able to write their own name has always been the most important
jfw: Latest from the musl thread, from the main guy Felker: https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2020/02/19/4 ( http://archive.is/maiqg ). In brief - perhaps I'm underinformed on specifics but in general full unicodeism has been their goal from the start
mircea_popescu: for some reason these couldn't be further apart in the romanian mind.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha. the guy's name is topescu with a tz, like in https://dexonline.ro/definitie/țoapă ; not with a plain t like in to melt.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 20:10:44 mircea_popescu: incidentally, cristina topescu died recently, as in, over xmas (this was the daughter of just such a wonder, the ONLY romanian sports commenter, one cristian topescu. socialist romania had one of everything, you knew what panties the girl has on before looking and you knew who was gonna narrate the game on the radio while you're looking). the chick was only famous for once on tv -- because hey, she followed the
mircea_popescu: so what's the point, casual usage of the word sin is triggering ?
jfw: trinque: hm, I thought you had implemented selection there but doesn't appear working.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 19:33:08 tecuane: which is weird af when you consider the second line of the first link on your ml post: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r08ACagY/image.png
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-18#1958204 - I'll be so kind as to fix the reference for him; I suppose raster graphics must seem as good as text when your alphabet is unbounded: http://trinque.org/2019/12/29/a-republican-os-part-2/?b=The%20English&e=.#select
mircea_popescu: i can kinda see it in their eyes of the mind.
mircea_popescu: anyways, contrary to the purportings and pretences traditionally required by their culture, i do kinda suspect ye pantsuit gets pretty well overwhelmed in this here copacetic copse of #trilema
mircea_popescu: i guess they'll have their own cristian topescu. it's unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: anyways, ff they had known they might have found a world of joy... but as they lived on the midnight side of the mountain...
diana_coman: the things I still...know; lolz.
diana_coman: I winced at cristian topescu recollection as I can still hear the descriptions of figure skaters' costumes, colours included, argghhh.
mircea_popescu: but i hope that she's regarding her death with the requisite superior detachement, feigned as it may be. "well... that didn't whelm!"
mircea_popescu: rade, as part of being independent liberated woman etc -- as a colt she wished something or the other re "oualelor de paste" which is an impossible construction derived off romanian ou ie egg by someone who doesn't understand how difficult genitives form. so she was celebrated for an april in song and lulz
mircea_popescu: incidentally, cristina topescu died recently, as in, over xmas (this was the daughter of just such a wonder, the ONLY romanian sports commenter, one cristian topescu. socialist romania had one of everything, you knew what panties the girl has on before looking and you knew who was gonna narrate the game on the radio while you're looking). the chick was only famous for once on tv -- because hey, she followed the famlby t
mircea_popescu: but then again i suppose that's what an expert polyglot is all about : one who speaks fifty languages in one, by inventing an imaginary "whelm" and perhaps typesetting everything in japanese.
mircea_popescu: at least the original soviets had the werewithal to laugh at it on their own power, didn't need foreign polyglots to "not whelm" by pointing and laughing.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is the very lulzy soviet-style gerontocracy involved. i mean, they've nobody but 90yos left to "leadership" them, and if they need somebody to star in a tv production it's gonna be a dude born in the 50s ?! still, today as in 1970, as in 1980, as in forever, the heroes of socialist labour are the same exact physical items ?
mircea_popescu: fry and laurie was this long running british tv show made to fill the hole left by monty python. it was rabidly socialist to an utterly offensive degree, and made the popularity of both faggots involved (among the uk bernie sandals crowd)
diana_coman: I am still shocked at the idea that ...uhm, was Laurie...hot? as in ..ever?
jfw: a productive evening then!
mircea_popescu: anyway, at least i found out there's nothing on tv without having to buy one.
jfw: funny how mircea_popescu probably speaks more languages than half the musl-using population combined...
tecuane: welp my time is up and i didnt really learn anything i already knew apart from mircea_popescu likes using the synonym feature of microsoft word a bit too much and the dislike of translations is actually just not liking other languages as opposed to "there might be bugs"
mircea_popescu: wtf, they've run out, next big thing on tv is going to be... mr bean.
mircea_popescu: o god, this is the funniest thing i heard all day.
mircea_popescu: there's this retard who became "hot" because he was in some medical drama
mircea_popescu: jfw, is this the clooney vehicle ?
mircea_popescu: no dood, they're just fucking stupid. i watch 1970s adriano celentano made-for-tv movies recently tho, so it's pretty much the same thing.
jfw: (from the very little I saw.)
mircea_popescu: i'd ask what's house md, but you've such a terrible record answering these.
mircea_popescu: i don't particularly care if you put a "you're beautiful today" motd in your libc. but i also can't use such a libc, so i'll have to fork it if i want to use it. which is the whole point here.
mircea_popescu: the latter tend to want to take crap out, the former tend to want to put crap in.
mircea_popescu: did you ever do any work in an actually secure environment ? because there's a difference of perspective, you realise, between hipster doofuses trying to impress imaginary girlfriends with their code-inclusiveness, and people who write systems that do not lose other people's money.
tecuane: probably not because i dont spend my time coming up with cool linguistic comebacks in the shower in my downtime from removing other languages from my libc tbh
mircea_popescu: you'll look up "foutez" and "camp" and decide what, "fuck me the field" is a french idiom ?
jfw: The OO discussion must make us class-ists too I suppose!
tecuane: this behaviour explains the operating system thing so much
mircea_popescu: a polyglot is someone who speaks multiple languages. this state doesn't take the "expert" tag.
tecuane: even if they were in a different language
tecuane: as an expert polyglot im sure you are the absolute benchmark for what is and is not "good code"
mircea_popescu: well yeah, that's the sort of sentiment that's necessarily mutual.
tecuane: i feel like that may be the other way around
tecuane: it hasnt even faded from popularity let alone been relegated to the trash
tecuane: mircea_popescu: in what universe has oo been "put in the bin" ever
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, I was trying to not shock tecuane with this notion that it being a public chan there are actually *other* people reading and talking and generally participating.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, can tell you some joys of oo-idiocy and the sorta lulz it drives.
tecuane: oo didnt get put in the bin lmao
mircea_popescu: it was a worse fucking idea than "object oriented", and it's high time it got marked as such and put in the dustbin where it belongs.
mircea_popescu: in fact, i would say unicode is the poster child for what broken code even means.
mircea_popescu: some people wanan make their imaginary race about using square wheels, that's their fucking problem.
mircea_popescu: everyting can seem so, including supporting the japanese nonsense.
tecuane: you talk like someone on the fence about it
tecuane: its not fair to bring The Riddler to a conversation
mircea_popescu: that's not exactly what's jhappening lol. the republic's an actual thing, distinct from i.
tecuane: i didnt realise i would also be talking to someone who writes in riddles and screeds, using the royal "the republic" instead of "i"
jfw: tecuane: I have no problem at all with what languages people represent on their computer, the more the merrier; I very much have a problem with extra code (+ potential bugs) being added to my computer to support it in core system utilities
mircea_popescu: this means private libcs, there's a coupla flavours.
mircea_popescu: tecuane, the republic is currently maintaining static linked os, yes.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 15:58:41 ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 22:40:07 mircea_popescu: jfw, re the whole musl & locales issue, it might be an idea to signal to them, "look, we use musl, and we don't think this is a good idea". irrespective of whether it does anything, at least that way they can't say they didn't realise "unanimity" is hallucinated etc.
mircea_popescu: tecuane, i suppose you read my pov re the issue you're discussing. there's a log : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-18#1958186
tecuane: beyond yayposting on the mailing lists
mircea_popescu: tecuane, the problem with supporting non-alphabet approaches to an alphabet is that you get the worst of both worlds.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-09 18:48:52 phf: mule is probably part of the greater concern within the overal situation which was japanese and unicode
mircea_popescu: ll be personally impacted by not being able to represent the "japanese current era" -- something i'm apparently able to represent right now, without using unicode for it (so perhaps, i'm saying, the problem is in the schmuck in question's own head). that'd be it really, do your best under the constraints as they are."
mircea_popescu: anyway, your statement is i guess something along the lines of "look, good fellows, your theory as to how users matter is not an argument in the direction you wish to construe it, but exactly opposite. the republic specifically does not want there to be unicode support. if you implement it, that means the republic will fork and maintain your thing pre-implementation. if you do not implement it, some schmuck somewhere wi
tecuane: which is weird af when you consider the second line of the first link on your ml post: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r08ACagY/image.png
tecuane: apart from using "considered harmful" which is unilaterally considered the most dumbass way to get a point across
jfw: mircea_popescu: ha, good point. It's their email list
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: to my mind the "no one user matters more than another" means of course "no user matters at all" ; because it follows by necessity.
mircea_popescu: how is the "no one user is more important than another" nonsense an argument for their position ? user q wants y, user w wants there not to be y, "no one user is more important than another" =necessarily> no y.
jfw: matters more than another"
jfw: I suppose what happens is the gravedigger who fancied there might be some life in the bodies gets convinced otherwise. From the first response: "Unicode 12.1 added the symbol for the new Japanese era, Reiwa Era. You will be unable to represent current dates in the Japanese calendar without this update." ; "I have been personally impacted by the lack of [political sort order]" ; "No one user
mircea_popescu: i don't expect much happening in that sense. if you bury the dead rather than let them rot under the bird-ladden sky, what happens ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 22:40:07 mircea_popescu: jfw, re the whole musl & locales issue, it might be an idea to signal to them, "look, we use musl, and we don't think this is a good idea". irrespective of whether it does anything, at least that way they can't say they didn't realise "unanimity" is hallucinated etc.
diana_coman: bvt: cool, I'll give it another spin, hopefully soon.
bvt: diana_coman: answered your comment yesterday, uploaded the regrind of p.1 and p.2 yesterday as well.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:08:08 mircea_popescu: i get it, you're a nice fellow and would like for things to be good and work out. nothing wrong with that. you wanna help along with the things, excellent. the prompter's at "get the few who actually seem like they could have something intelligent to say on the topic to comment on the proposed spec ; an' help mp figure out why they don't apparently naturally want to ; but without going out of what he's doing, s
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958160 - ok. I'll work on asking smart questions more often to replace the bad habits of jumping back and forth between a) staying silent and b) jumping ahead with excess optimism.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:07:57 mircea_popescu: wth do you even represent the eventual world-equivalent of your word usage to be ? two weeks hence mod6 shows up with a working drop-in replacement for an intricate, specialist piece of machinery that happens to be built with skills he doesn't have by an advanced programmer he isn't on a worldview he doesn't share ?
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958157 - I figured he'd at least show up to ask questions, but I see now if that were the case it would've been done the 5th or 6th or sometime before the 15th when he published
dorion: a reason I read the logs w/o talking was that very "try and figure out how to conduct myself such that the others don't puke." as I had puked myself reading the various douchebags.
mircea_popescu: perhaps the best model to inform this issue'd be the western cowbody brought to boston, or any other such savage-in-london rapturous moments. well... do you suppose heaven has a stiff learning curve ? how to conduct yourself such as all the others there don't throw up ?
mircea_popescu: imagine by the way what serious problems the concept of heaven actually poses to people. what do they do there all day ? well, conceivably, IF indeed they do something, if haven's something besides hell under another name (the problem with hell self-evidently ain't "the fire", but THE BOREDOM) they conceivably do something. yet... what ? likely not anything driven or inspired by "the flesh", which leaves... what does it
mircea_popescu: you've got bad habits from the other world.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 23:07:38 mircea_popescu: one is that the spec as sketched by me is nowhere near mature enough for implementation in the first place ; it requires some actual looking at and discussion ; some prototyping, some trying out after it's mature before the implementation is actually in a state where anyone'd trust it with anything ; which first anythings will very likely NOT be the changing of how V works around it.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958151 - hm, yeah. it did seem that I was forcing it a bit. I just now brought up the eulora comms protocol and tmsr rsa specs as first examples that came to mind to drive your point home further. I ought to have taken
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 18:32:47 dorion: I'll let him show and tell, his patch removes the whole rotor orchestra since Gales is musl static anyway.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 09:37:40 diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting the idea of the manifest file here but my current understanding is that it's a record of the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from a previous version but that's still an added line to (a previous version of) the manifest file.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-17#1958136 << i'd say you got the right idea here, manifest.txt is an add-only buffer, attempts to modify it ~= pirate patch.
mircea_popescu: r instance by speciffically calling them for it point blank. for some reason he didn't do that though he self-evidently could have, maybe there's a reason for that other than his being shy, such as perhaps that he doesn't wanna force march it, for which call there might in turn also be reasons and so on."
mircea_popescu: i get it, you're a nice fellow and would like for things to be good and work out. nothing wrong with that. you wanna help along with the things, excellent. the prompter's at "get the few who actually seem like they could have something intelligent to say on the topic to comment on the proposed spec ; an' help mp figure out why they don't apparently naturally want to ; but without going out of what he's doing, such as fo
mircea_popescu: whenever it's bois freedom afternoon at the household of whatever chick owns his sorry ass, half hour sunday while she's out with her friends or w/e, and then drops random offensive nonsense that doesn't actually go with anything but it's nevertheless the best he could get to in the limited time and with the limited involvement his owner permits.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck! dude reads the log once a week
mircea_popescu: wth do you even represent the eventual world-equivalent of your word usage to be ? two weeks hence mod6 shows up with a working drop-in replacement for an intricate, specialist piece of machinery that happens to be built with skills he doesn't have by an advanced programmer he isn't on a worldview he doesn't share ?
mircea_popescu: there's more, too but anyways, you're supposed to be aware of these things, as part and parcel of what having an internal life of the mind ever means.
mircea_popescu: yet one in three or four or whatever's still way the fuck more than absolute zero, which is what you'll get out of "hey, [name i picked out of the hat], do [thing i picked out of the hat]".
mircea_popescu: while ~everything was built on it (putting it intellectually way ahead of, say, THE ENTIRE COLLECTIVE OF LISP USERS & their collected historical products, or anything else "the civilised" Western world has to offer), nevertheless it really fails more often than it delivers.
mircea_popescu: another reason is that this throwing darts work allocation method's never been observed to work in practice. the correct way to allocate work, as actually observable in the damned logs you've supposedly read and re-read, actually works on a very hit-and-miss basis in the first place (owing to itemized an' specifically described failures an' assorted head cockroaches of the ~worthless white anglophone young male)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-17 18:32:25 dorion: perhaps mod6 takes the lead to implement the clearsigned scheme on his keccak regrind of the trb tree.
mircea_popescu: one is that the spec as sketched by me is nowhere near mature enough for implementation in the first place ; it requires some actual looking at and discussion ; some prototyping, some trying out after it's mature before the implementation is actually in a state where anyone'd trust it with anything ; which first anythings will very likely NOT be the changing of how V works around it.
dorion: spyked is rebuilding trb shortly, so if mod6 leads the way, followed by jfw and spyked that's at least 3 people scrutinizing the clearsigning scheme, tools and likely many of the same patches within the same timeframe.
dorion: I'll let him show and tell, his patch removes the whole rotor orchestra since Gales is musl static anyway.
dorion: jfw is expecting to finish the offline side of Gales Bitcoin Wallet this week, so his development plate will be clearing a bit. He has an unpublished patch to trb to simplify the build system on Gales, so checking/working with mod6 and getting his patch published could be his next priority. Among other simplifications
dorion: perhaps mod6 takes the lead to implement the clearsigned scheme on his keccak regrind of the trb tree.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-05 22:50:12 mircea_popescu: well, hm. maybe it's time to re-iterate this point, especially seeing how diana_coman 's recent work,
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-05#1957911 - it occurs to me that trb could be a good testing/clarification ground for this because a) it's likely the most scruntinized V-tree to date and b) mod6, jfw, and spyked all have some work to do with trb these next weeks.
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2020/02/the-good-old-boys-best-spigot-friends-club/ << The Whet -- The Good Old Boys Best Spigot Friends Club
bvt: diana_coman: ty for spotting this. i will regring vpatches p.1 and p.2; i wanted to make the vpatch p.1 name the same in manifest and file system, but did the wrong thing there just editing the line from previous vpatch in vpatch p.2.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-16 03:25:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-15#1958115 <-- approved meanwhile, will answer as soon as I get back to the keyboard
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-16#1958118 <-- and answered
diana_coman: maybe I'm not fully getting the idea of the manifest file here but my current understanding is that it's a record of the history and as such I really don't see any case where something gets deleted from it - at most it gets branched from a previous version but that's still an added line to (a previous version of) the manifest file.
diana_coman: bvt: why does your vpatch cancel a line from the manifest? To my mind this doesn't quite make sense - if you want to revert to a previous point, that means simply branching the tree from a previous node so using *that* manifest, doesn't it?
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: ack. This'll give me time to prep the thing anyways
ericbot: Logged on 2020-01-27 13:01:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.krankendenken.com/2020/01/mp-wp-bot-my-current-problem-and-possible-solutions/ << just ditch the shithole host you ran into.
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: in other bot news I ditched that last host and found a new one on Friday; they claim 48 hours to deliver so I'm expecting it'll be ready for me to start setting it up by probably Wed. This new host is in Brasil btw
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-02-16#1958115 << the toilet vps lobbesbot is on is down again. Will see what they say. (honestly atm lobbesbot has ~only two used commands: !Qlater-tell and !Qcalc ; instead of finding a new home for lobbesbot I'd rather just make another bot do those and retire the thing. But I've got other botworks in the queue)
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-14#1958099 <-- sounds great actually, the "pitiable ancestry" interpretation didn't occur to me until diana_coman mentioned it. but it still misses a connection to the "du-te-n ..." expression
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-15#1958115 <-- approved meanwhile, will answer as soon as I get back to the keyboard
mp_en_viaje: the chain of chaining!!!
mp_en_viaje: i seriously do not wish to hear anymore from you. if all you've got inside is in that vein, do me the favour and make that your last word.
mp_en_viaje: fucking inane bullshit, you've decided to see what action actionbot can bring ? who the fuck are you ? go measure the thickness of walls somewhere already, there's 0 the fuck need for YET ANOTHER pompous asshole to do me the very great service of counting my balls.
mp_en_viaje: there we go.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/02/15/the-i-eye-and-aye/ << Ossa Sepia -- The I, Eye and Aye
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/cocaine-refinery-found-back-home-on-the-farm-of-colombian-ambassador-to-uruguay/ << Qntra -- Cocaine Refinery Found Back Home On The Farm Of Colombian Ambassador To Uruguay
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2020/nu-te-mai-preocupa-esti-vai-de-mortii-tai << The Tar Pit -- Linguistic ruminations on the connection between dead relatives and how "the people" aren't worth two shits; and other urban subcultural considerations
mp_en_viaje: i just temporarily lost the services of a laptop through the cord sparking in the exact same way. fucktards.
mp_en_viaje: aand in other holy shit the world's decayed, romania caught up with historical argentina.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/the-great-buck-howard-aint-letting-me-sleep/ << Trilema -- The Great Buck Howard ain't letting me sleep.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/02/11/no-atmos-in-the-atmosphere-euloras-defaults/ << Ossa Sepia -- No Atmos in the Atmosphere (Eulora's Defaults)
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/usg-ownership-of-crypto-ag-and-use-of-the-firms-products-to-spy-on-allies-and-customers-released-to-the-public/ << Qntra -- USG Ownership Of "Crypto AG" And Use Of The Firm's Products To Spy On "Allies" And Customers Released To The Public
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/the-best-spamblast/ << Trilema -- The .best spamblast
mircea_popescu: the latter
whaack: mircea_popescu: noted. what I gather is I tried to use a style I dun understand and created something amusing in the “laugh at” rather than “laugh with” sense. When you say the various “similarly looking” articles substantially aren’t at all similar - did you mean that the trilema articles are not similar to each other or that they’re not similar to what I produced?
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/the-sulphur-dioxide-so2-cloud-above-wuhan/ << Trilema -- The sulphur dioxide (SO2) cloud above Wuhan
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the math... actually, i suppose i might as well make this an article huh. brb
mircea_popescu: except, of course, for the part where wuhan was never within western world tolerances for pollutants this millenium, nor since the mid 80s/early 90s, and this includes everything, not just so2. these are the people building coal power plants by the hundred A DAY, after all.
mircea_popescu: which, you know, ~technically~ could be the result of burning corpses. you know, like because so many people died from the latest "bird flu" nonsense that there's a cloud of sulphur dioxide
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the media circus of the day revolves around the femstate's "weather satellites" having noticed SO2 over wuhan in concentrations of like... 1400 ug/m3
mircea_popescu: the reason we want better tools is for to manage the interlocking system of options, as per von moltke's doctrine (yes, fellow's not coincidentally mentioned ; but indeed has been for a long time among the greatest influences of manly sanity available), not to actually ~do~ anything forthwith.
mircea_popescu: everything that exists is easily gone. rome sits on karstic hills, a guatemala-style sinkhole could have opened up and swallowed it 600 cubits underearth at any point. it didn't, which is besides the point in this discussion.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: in 2 words, easily gone; only yest freenode was in full blown idiocy with all those parts, not like it can't decide one day to further idiocy.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that is true re basic tools, certainly; it strikes me that we are for all intent and purpose "gathering" here in the forum, no? sure, presumably the blogs can work too as alternative (they did or at least trilema did when needed) but still.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 01:39:30 mircea_popescu: there's a lenghty pile of disadvantages to the current mechanism we use, not least of these being that it actually imports koch-pgp. it also does suspect signature shenanigans of all sorts, which could potentially present security risks
mircea_popescu: tbh i'd rather have some basic tools finished first ; but anyways, how do you reason ?
diana_coman: hm, brings the current failure to move off freenode (and still no gossipd either) into focus really.
mircea_popescu: before some point cca 300, all that was good in this world was sorting out the seating arrangements on the benches in this acre of park somewhere. after that point, it was not.
mircea_popescu: and obviously odoacer had that major effect, of ruining the roman forum's schelling point quality. something which it had, perdurantly, for centuries, was lost one summer, like things are lost, like all lido gets a sandbar eventually.
mircea_popescu: to gather, they must gather somewhere. if the lordship fails to produce a schelling point, they will not gather.
mircea_popescu: well no, but look : lords there shall be. that's the first node. now, what shall they do ? either they gather, or they do not.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, perhaps I can see the "retreat" as that ie why not cooperate with the rest so that maybe one does x and another y and so on; rather than each tarabostes-style; but otherwise, I don't think there was much *else* to do.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i mean it's not the effect but the cause.
mircea_popescu: theirdemocracy fails so fuckind hard...
diana_coman: I suppose I should rather be grateful that they are dead and so don't get to see indeed how it is there, really.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: do you mean it's not the effect of the Dark ages but the cause? I don't quite see it tbh.
diana_coman: and what truly gets me is this memory (that doesn't even seem to be just mine alone/specific to me) of that great-grandfather who hung on to life just to get to ask the guy coming back from the first trip to the US "how is it there,really?"
mircea_popescu: not that hanbot_abroad doesn't make >50% of all the sushi we eat by now, but holy hell
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, what the fuck, so im gonna make my own boot atelier, produce locally everything, clothes made in the house, have my own pizza oven... do you realise this is EXACTLY what created the "Dark" ages, all the lords retired to their latifundiae and made everything there on slave labour ?
mircea_popescu: they fucking reconstructed it, except of course improved by experience. who the fuck do we shoot now!
diana_coman: but apparently they are not at this stage yet/too much fat still to get there or dunno.
diana_coman: I got the other part - which in hindsight proved good training at least - ie if you want something, you gotta do it yourself or forget about it!!
mircea_popescu: pretty much certain it's what got ceausescu shot, in the end, a hundred thousand people with a thousand memories each of "my friend Q, place W, year R ; my friend T, place Y, year U" and so on.
mircea_popescu: but by now, "the west" is exactly in that fucking position, "oh, this is the pizzeria, you can't have some pizza, oh that was the steakhouse where i was gonna take my friend as he was leaving, well... there was a queue so we ended up not going, that'll be our memory of our parting in year Z, how we were gonna but didn't because the regime is a piece of shit"
mircea_popescu: it couldn't be, in 1985 cluj, a case of "come meet me at X for Y". it always had to be "[unless they're out]" as a coda. unless theyre's a [too long] queue, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, you know, reading your boys' things, the most striking lulz is the creeping in the usian socialist republic of the traditions of the romanian socialist republic. do you recall how utterly infuriating for the general population it was, in the 80s, the constant need to have all social arrangements dependent on the very flimsy supply arrangements of the bankrupt & dysfunctional state ?
mircea_popescu: when trilema produces something that matches whatever formal pattern, say "oh fuck that ulysses, his boot's untied" it does so in a certain context, with generally careful handling of the negative space, which you (along with lots and lots of other people -- including on occasion <a href=http://thewhet.net/2019/01/perambulating-mp-pretense-vs-pretense/>experts</a>) are quite apt to miss ; yet it's the determinant of correc
mircea_popescu: whaack, you did produce grammatically correct trash. i can readily see whence the temptation comes, but what you have to take on faith (lacking as of yet the capacity to for yourself distinguish) is that the various "similarily looking" trilema articles substantially aren't at all similar.
mircea_popescu: in other tidbits : von moltke, who was born in the year 1800 and therefore technically qualifies, is thereby the only person born in the 17th century whose voice was recorded and therefore can be heard today : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OythrZ5_sdQ
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd very much like the redirect-unvoiced functionality already, also.
diana_coman: well, they are very good at pretense otherwise so they can ...pretend they haven't found anything, right? what is this, half-assed pretense only?
mircea_popescu: yes, but they lived looking.
diana_coman: well, they *did live* somehow until they found me, right? so... it's possible!
mircea_popescu: in any case there is quite literally no alternative whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: in one form or another. most likely, in the anal childhood form, obviously.
mircea_popescu: there isn't actually any shortage. the world outside the gates is actually so intractably boring & pointless, it's pretty much necessarily as well as universally the case 100% of all available activity will pour into the republic.
diana_coman: myeah, I know; I admit that one hand I really didn't believe anyone was so dedicated to my chan and on the other hand I also did not quite grok the extent of disconnect that people can somehow live with.
mircea_popescu: i mean, you can "ban", but the ban's gotta specify something, and whatever it specifies will be an arbitrary, user-selected string, such as ip or box name or w/e
mircea_popescu: the problem with irc is that if you've actually got a dedicated moron, there's no good way to keep your log from filling with crap otherwise.
mircea_popescu: can also set others to be able to voice people
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, you know, obviously the correct solution is the correct solution ; but ad interim you can set your chan to +m anyways, and then voice whoever you personally want, manually.
mircea_popescu: mmm, a yeah, that was on the list wasn't it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 21:58:12 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954934 << I've meanwhile reviewed the article http://trilema.com/2019/the-contemplated-update-to-the-trilema-voice-model/
diana_coman: trinque: any chance of having the voice model in #ossasepia?
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2020/week-6-2020-review-with-some-reflections-on-the-subject-of-feedback-and-encountering-bots-blogging-for-bots-nest/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Week 6 2020 Review - With Some Reflections On The Subject Of Feedback And Encountering Bots Blogging For Bots Nest
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2020/02/manage-whats-important-to-you-with-rational-tools-when-you-join-humanity-or-fuck-mozilla/ << The Whet -- Manage what's important to you with rational tools when you join humanity. Or, fuck mozilla.
deedbot: diana_coman rated d41r -2 << alias for c0ncord, hence the same man-alone saving the world through coding while hiding under the bed.
deedbot: diana_coman rated c0ncord -2 << man-alone saving the world through coding while hiding under the bed.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-03 20:11:06 mod6: I fully agree, mailman is a ancient artefact back from, probably literally, the pre-september internet days. Yes, it's quite, well, frustrating to say the least.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-03#1957846 << and it just keeps going. pre-september is a reference to the internet-before-AOLification, and in this same breath "ancient artefact"
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-03 19:52:30 mod6: For me, I've always liked the mailing list. It's cumbersome, and it's had it's pain points in the past. Everyone, at one time or another, has had a problem getting things stuck in its queue, etc. However, when it works, it does work pretty well. I like how it checks the WoT on submission, has an archive, and we can all go back and look at it years and years later.
mircea_popescu: hanbot_abroad, that's for sure one of them. however, there was a more recent, not directly bitcoin related, egregious example which literally claimed ONE year.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-07 13:08:01 mircea_popescu: hm.
hanbot_abroad: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-07#1957987 << top shelf withering gaze!
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, this'd be a good theory, except of course ethiopia is very small by african standards. about the same population as the region of lazio at the time, like 10mn.
BingoBoingo: Kinda the only winning strategy for Africa. Throw bodies at the problem, keep taking losses which are actually a win until the other side exhausts. Solve two problems.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they rather sound like the serbs ; which would be surprising except of course for the part where they're deeply orthodox. just like the serbs.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, in practice they kinda got defeated in all engagements, just wore down the flimsy italians through sheer numbers. very unlike the boer fucking up the brits right and proper a half century prior.
mircea_popescu: survived the italians which are totally european, didn't survive the redditards, which are just as totally european as the redditalians
BingoBoingo: Socialists had a coup. The depose 80 year old had health problems as folks his age tend to. Still too much of a perceived threat to their more equal Africa and...
BingoBoingo: That's the whole of the Rasta thing. "An African beat Italy which is totally European. We've won"
BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad: Some cult formed around a cardboard cutout of him. They smoke weed and listen to Bob Marley.
hanbot_abroad: mircea_popescu i guess medical tourism is a main appendage ofze devil then
mircea_popescu: "Hence, without cooling your heart of accustomed valour, there emerges your decision to fight fiercely, mindful of your history that will last far into the future
mircea_popescu: and further,
mircea_popescu: "If you withhold from your country Ethiopia the death from cough or head-cold of which you would otherwise die, refusing to resist (in your district, in your patrimony, and in your home) our enemy who is coming from a distant country to attack us, and if you persist in not shedding your blood, you will be rebuked for it by your Creator and will be cursed by your offspring. "
mircea_popescu: so the italian dorks are playing empire in his ancient land ; dude fancies himself a descendant of the fucking queen of sheeba in a direct line. therefore he issues a proclamation :
mircea_popescu: in other historical news, the strangled salassie's one helluva sassy.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2020/work-plan-for-m2-2020 << The Tar Pit -- Work plan for M2 2020
mircea_popescu: ah there we go, meanwhile actually found the piece i was looking for. niciodata...
mircea_popescu: the pestilence even reached romania ; these fucktards who really have no good cause to survive managed to squeeze a few "OLD STYLE barber shops" in between the slot machine/"sportsbets" nonense and the "fuck my wife, two for one" establishments/courtyards.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-10-02 15:09:36 mircea_popescu: sadly the story behind that is that denni parkinson was there with HER BOYFRIEND, who's some photog there to shoot some bs about branson's hobby (some kind of new and improved surfing)
mircea_popescu: yeah bitch, totally, that's exactly what i mean, you waterskyiing with the photographer's girlfriend on your back.
mircea_popescu: by the time the "oh, fu-xi could mean anything, shrimp fucks the cowboy leg is on the menu because literally, our chinese mother tongue does not have any actual meaning" dorks of the future turn their drones to "recreate true europe", it'll be the faux ustaridian "nobody can accuse it of not being europe" ersatz that's all that's left.
mircea_popescu: fucking self-falsification, is the infuriating part.
BingoBoingo: Nevermind Myspace lost all of their shit during one of its zombie reboots, Instagram Immortality!
BingoBoingo: I don't know that they even impress each other. Too solipsistic, they seem to just be trying to win tourmament markets that don't even have prizes.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who the fuck it's supposed to even fool ; then again, apparently the last people to have ever had any money, taste, sense or experience died with the millenium. so i guess the fucktards impress each other. it's gotta be, because otherwise the insanity is inexplicable enough -- it's fucking evident they don't ENJOY any of it, protestations to the contrary notwithstanding (or rather, pleading against their case)
mircea_popescu: and, of course, bdsm. and all combinations -- including the typical 50yo moron with a "slave" who's a 20something female doing "rituals", such as inane bullshit where she "swallows the ashes". and so on in this theatrically tedious vein.
mircea_popescu: cigars suffered some under the onslaught as well.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, community colleges, US military bands, etc do these tours telling kids there are careers in the field of making noise in "cafes"
mircea_popescu: fucking intolerable. this, and the pretense 2010s "conaisseur of foods" revival, with their vomit of wine and cheese and whatnot.
BingoBoingo: The Jazz zombie today's a sort of extension of the higher ed bubble's "follow your passions" derpery.
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Avishai_Cohen_2015.jpg/1024px-Avishai_Cohen_2015.jpg << and then the objectionable jewtard himself. how fucking hard could you even be trying, judas fucking christ, with the faux beard and everything, they don't know what a cabotine is in the new york jewish community ?
mircea_popescu: what the FUCK, jazz in the past three decades ? this is like mc cain's love of his life (for the past 9 months). dude's been dead for a year.
mircea_popescu: the music world."
mircea_popescu: And then, of course, the first hit, JAZZIZ Magazine [Search domain www.jazziz.com] "For more than three decades, JAZZIZ Magazine has been covering the music scene, documenting innovations, charting industry trends and following the artists whose lives so colorfully inform our own. The award-winning JAZZIZ Magazine is your one-stop destination for entertainment in
mircea_popescu: and i ask because... wtf, fucking ridoinculous nonsense! Look for them online, it's an ad at the top (for discountmags.com, "Jazziz Magazine - Check Out Our New Low Price"), one on the side (this one for "redbubble.com", "JAZZIZ “Redemption”" by JAZZIZ " -- yes, including the BROKEN crapsoft quotes -- "Millions of unique stickers ready for laptops, water bottles, helmets, and more. Get up to 50% off. Glossy, matte, and
BingoBoingo: Off the top of my head, I do not though it sounds incredibly familiar.
mircea_popescu: there's self-evidently no reason such a thing as an alleged Matt Micucci should exist, and definitely no good cause for it and similar nothings to aggregate, and for the resulting sadness to be labelled anyway other than "garbage".
mircea_popescu: c. A somber vibe and universal consciousness are the common threads that tie each piece together"
mircea_popescu: "Trumpeter and composer Avishai Cohen’s sophomore release on ECM is a reflective journey that grapples with the existential crises facing the world today. At barely 38 minutes, the album’s five tracks present a delicate interplay between temporal precision and intuitive improvisation. Cohen deftly utilizes drummer Nasheet Waits, pianist Yonathan Avishai and bassist Barak Mori to communicate the raw emotions of his musi
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "oh, it's easy, whatever it might be, adulthood, culture, public speaking, opening a can of tuna. JUST COLOR BY THE NUMBERS!!!" postcards from ustardia :
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-06 19:19:05 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, tbh, the reflection looks pretty cool ; there's prolly a hook there to specify "no reflection past heightmap" or somesuch to get rid of the ultramarine legs
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-06#1957921 - thanks; re that hook, I haven't seen it really and I doubt it exists as such; thinking of it, it's more likely to be something of a side effect again of how the water plane, terrain and character sprite interact; for the time being I'll let it be as it doesn't seem a high priority really.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, tbh, the reflection looks pretty cool ; there's prolly a hook there to specify "no reflection past heightmap" or somesuch to get rid of the ultramarine legs
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2020/photos-from-the-archives-january-20-2011/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Photos From The Archives - January 20, 2011
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/us-army-working-to-develop-cuck-box-technology-to-warn-nags-when-they-have-been-tuned-out/ << Qntra -- US Army Working To Develop "Cuck Box" Technology To Warn Nags When They Have Been Tuned Out
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: it has indeed everything needed as far as I know and certainly rsa, keccak, oaep, the whole package.
mircea_popescu: which is perhaps a fine candidate of folding in (or at least, that's the general thrust of my comment -- "why do i have to go outside of the v tool for v work ?")
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 01:38:36 mircea_popescu: so given bvt's recent and indeed quite shiny work on a new v : is there any interest in actually attempting something like the new clearsign scheme ?
mircea_popescu: well, hm. maybe it's time to re-iterate this point, especially seeing how diana_coman 's recent work,
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/02/05/the-v-tree-nursery-or-code-control-with-v/ << Ossa Sepia -- The V-Tree Nursery or Code Control with V
mircea_popescu: jfw, re the whole musl & locales issue, it might be an idea to signal to them, "look, we use musl, and we don't think this is a good idea". irrespective of whether it does anything, at least that way they can't say they didn't realise "unanimity" is hallucinated etc.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/pantsuits-fuck-their-iowa-caucus-results-delayed-indefinitely/ << Qntra -- Pantsuits Fuck Their Iowa Caucus, Results Delayed Indefinitely
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in 2010-vintage romanian free love, http://archive.is/gybYM (16 yo gypsy alpha raped 10yo visiting girly in school toilet. anal. then zipped up, went back to playing ball.)
mircea_popescu: ditch the shitty hashes stick to keccak (which is particularly well fit for this job, as it happens), ditch the bad parameters use something convenient (why are keys 4096 bits and the hash 128 ?)
mircea_popescu: re-writing the signature part starting with say diana_coman 's eucrypt could give us a chance to ditch all the warts of a very usgistani past, and even maybe implement PSS or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: there's a lenghty pile of disadvantages to the current mechanism we use, not least of these being that it actually imports koch-pgp. it also does suspect signature shenanigans of all sorts, which could potentially present security risks
mircea_popescu: so given bvt's recent and indeed quite shiny work on a new v : is there any interest in actually attempting something like the new clearsign scheme ?
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/the-problem-with-james/ << Trilema -- The problem with James...
mircea_popescu: pick some people you actually care about, and connect with those. stop trying to shinohai yourself the imaginary world of where you've wrung the persons out of their deeds, and now looky there's just this pile of hallucinated freedom for you to wither atop of.
mircea_popescu: where "me" is just about a wildcard, it stands for "anyone" because that's what the fuck "no separation from politics" means.
mircea_popescu: but in general, if you can't be arsed to read my blog, you're cordially invited to get the fuck lost and in no case pretend like you're using my patches.
mircea_popescu: ain't gonna ever happen, the republic's the republic for reasons.
mircea_popescu: this imaginary self-situation in the seat of god where lo and behold you'll somehow see all patches... what the fuck do you think this is, the github flatlands ?
mircea_popescu: and secondly, the rpublic isn't intended to work this way. you're supposed to hear about the patches you hear about. you aren't happy with the patches you hear about, make better friends.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-03 20:22:10 mod6: All I'm saying, is that without said possible future solution, it may be somewhat difficult to track through 39 different blogs watching for patch submissions all the time.
mircea_popescu: ]~ are in the wrong.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-03#1957857 << two problems. firstly, how about you just use the rss feeds / feedbot for this purpose. and if you're unhappy with the waterhose, ask the people who do it to maybe make a special category or tag ? and if they don't, consider that maybe this means ~[http://thewhet.net/2020/02/the-basilikon-doron-or-royal-gift-a-constitutional/?b=Assume%20problems&e=head#select][you
mod6: I appreciate the poking re things TRB.
jfw: observe for instance how the gardener nearly missed a couple patches anyway but I poked, not even being a signer of any as yet
mircea_popescu: so do not ye worry "the gardener may miss one". really, the walflowers aren't even worth pissing on if they were on fire.
mircea_popescu: i really don't think the known failures of the "engineer" mindset need any encouragement. this whole "i'll overwhelm my horrible idiocy with supposedly worthy deeds" nonsense has little space left to frolic in.
mircea_popescu: mod6, there's a bunch of code shelves you might end up on, if you do the right and proper things.
mod6: Yeah, not that we would want stuff from nonpersons, just in the case where, as we've seen recently (even with my own blog) where it was down for a few weeks, or months as people are between hosting or such.
mircea_popescu: what, they're such impervious snowflakes their deeds overwhelm their existence, is the fantasy ?
mircea_popescu: i don't get the logic whereby anything is ~wanted~ of someone who "disappeared completely"
mod6: I suppose the foundation should maybe have its own blog then.
mod6: jfw: This might be fine, but what if I'm not the guy? Meaning, let's say that there are threads on my blog, people publish stuff in the comments, or wherever on there, i dunno, pingbacks somehow. If someone else takes over, I get hit by a bus, blog goes bye bye from non-payment, what happens to thread on new guys blog?
mod6: But again, if there is going to be a future solution for this in the form of some kind of existing bot extention, then I'm all for that. At least it would, presumably, notify the gardener (somehow) that there is something to inspect.
mod6: All I'm saying, is that without said possible future solution, it may be somewhat difficult to track through 39 different blogs watching for patch submissions all the time.
mod6: Anyway, sounds like there might be a solution to this between what billymg and lobbes are working on + maybe another added step?
mod6: jfw: aside from a possible mp-wp (future) solution to the issue; several clicks notwithstanding, I mearly worry that somehow, the gardener may simply overlook or miss one.
jfw: "It puts it on me to chase these down" - this seems to be the core of it; why not leave it to the sponsor(s) of a patch to keep their blogs online & organized enough to find patches (category, code shelf or whatnot)? It's then, what, couple clicks per patch or a wget to import to your own collection - trivial compared to the effort of actually reviewing the patch I'd imagine
lobbes: if I ever get the mp-wp logger complete.. well it interfaces with the mp-wp database already so theoretically possible to hook that up to what billymg is doing down the road
BingoBoingo: Maybe not all of it, but with the lobbes bot that logs into mp-wp, there's space
mod6: Ok, I saw this in January, I may need to re-read it, but on first pass I didn't gather that this would do what I needed it to do.
mod6: Now the idea to make a bot that would somehow interact with blogs, is an idea I hadn't thought of before.
mod6: I fully agree, mailman is a ancient artefact back from, probably literally, the pre-september internet days. Yes, it's quite, well, frustrating to say the least.
BingoBoingo: The second biggest problem is that mp-wp is growing, billmg is putting work into making mp-wp do code hosting more cleanly, and the mailman software the mailing list used is an awful, poorly documented thing. If an IRC patchbot is the way to go, hooking it into mp-wp seems like the better direction to go.
BingoBoingo: The biggest problem with the mailing list is the mail part.
mod6: I dunno, anyway, I thought it could be good for people to go ahead and submit a vpatch, and seal to the bot, where it can be checked for L1/L2, and stored for the future, all in one place, making less work for the gardener.
mod6: Not that I love having a centralized bot, either. It's just, I'm not 100% sure what the best way to go is on this. The mailing list was centralized, it worked fine.
mod6: TMSR Lords and others seem to publish all their code on their blogs, which, I think is fine. But my hang-up with allowing people to post TRB patches/seals on their blogs instead of sending them in is two-fold: 1) It puts it on me to chase these down. 2) Then I have to place them somewhere for long-term keeping anyway. As we've seen, people's blogs get rather large, hard to find things, or disappear complet
mod6: Now, I've thought that over a bit; the first thing that came to mind was deedbot. However, I think that deedbot probably isn't the right place for developer doodles. Plus, each one costs actual money.
mod6: I find it fairly easy to go and dig stuff up in there if I need to do so. I tried to stand it back up, several times, in fact, since it's home on Pizarro went down. But I haven't been successful there. Upon speaking to jurov about it, he suggested instead that we create a bot for this purpose instead.
mod6: For me, I've always liked the mailing list. It's cumbersome, and it's had it's pain points in the past. Everyone, at one time or another, has had a problem getting things stuck in its queue, etc. However, when it works, it does work pretty well. I like how it checks the WoT on submission, has an archive, and we can all go back and look at it years and years later.
mod6: asciilifeform_whogaveblox << I'm more open to comments on this one too, I don't see a big issue with it being in the tree. I'm also using this one in a test environment (for quite some time now). Haven't seen any issues with it at this time. It would need a simple regrind. Can do it this month as well.
mod6: (23:28) <+jfw> oh sorry, asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks is in there, just the other three then. << correct.
mod6: I've updated the How-To document to reflect that, but otherwise, have had good luck on my own with building. Am interested to hear how it goes for others, though.
mod6: Let me work through these here. Glad you're going to try out a build. Please do let me know how it goes. I did just find three 'gotchas' on CentOS (6.10); whereby 'bison', 'flex' and 'patch' all need to be installed manually. Apparently these are not a part of the default system.
jfw: oh sorry, asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks is in there, just the other three then.
mod6: Hi there jfw, thanks for the questions.
jfw: Re item 4, why is a bot needed for vpatch submission? Don't blogs already cover all the aspects - publishing, commentary, discussion, referencing, notification? (Perhaps your article will clarify, in which case don't mind me.)
jfw: mod6: glad to see progress on the keccak tree. I intend to take a look at the patches and try a build, might not be for a while though. What I'm not seeing though: what is the status of asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks, mod6_excise_hash_truncation, asciilifeform_whogaveblox and mod6_phexdigit_fix ?
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen, I have posted the monthly report for The Foundation in deedbot ^ and here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/reports/btcf_address_202001.txt
jfw: Not that I seriously think they *should* use those for all numbers, I can't see that being anything short of hideous given that it's C, manual memory management and all, "what do you mean you don't know how big the struct will be"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-02-17 10:03:36 mircea_popescu: "/* The count field we have in the main struct object is somewhat limited, but should suffice for virtually all cases. If the counted value doesn't fit, re-write a zero. The worst that happens is that we re-count next time -- admittedly non-trivial in that this implies some 2M fdes, but at least we function. */"
mircea_popescu: you know, this is the same gcc of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-02-17#1897517 fame.
jfw: ah right, I forgot, in soviet russia if-statement sorts the other way so they had to copy+paste+tweak it for that locale.
jfw: I don't see the 5mb of code fwiw; if you can have nested expressions anywhere, then you get hidden temporary variables, so in principle costs no more to allow them anywhere. That gets to the essential vs accidental complexity though, totally wouldn't surprise me to find 10k LoC in gcc dedicated to compound expressions in if-statements specifically.
mircea_popescu: perversely, this "superior" code's even more inscrutable than ye olde asm. which civilised people could in fact read, unlike the current shit
mircea_popescu: on the contrary : the "terseness" supposedly achieved by if (a(x) > b(y) ) z sorta constructions is not merely standing on its own ; but it creates personal investments. now you can't comment your code, either, because you're so clever you saved five bytes of text at the cost of five megabytes of object code. so if you then write a sentence explaining wtf you did, well... you're a sucker now, aren't you!
mircea_popescu: this doesn't automatically mean EVERYTHING has now to be unwound, and so branches only on registers for computers and women kept in the gyneceum like ye olde greeks.
mircea_popescu: the average family's not any happier since women are permitted to seek divorce than they were before ; and code gained nothing from this particular "improvement" that seemed but never delivered.
jfw: ah, back to assembly language then, branches only operating on registers? heh
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even fucking save memory, the five bytes this'll save over a lifetime is dwarved by the five megabytes in extra libc needed to support the insanity
mircea_popescu: jfw, i honestly don't like evaluating ifs. there's really nothing gained, besides compiler weight.
jfw: I like the convention in Scheme where such functions are named ending in !, following the builtin assignment operator "set!"
jfw: mircea_popescu: I get the sense this is more about the user than the tool then. I'd reckon it's equally dumb to call a function with global side-effects from an "if" test, since it's supposed to be just asking a question, not "doing things"
mircea_popescu: the sort of morons who think god will download sexual ability into their heads immediately after marriage tend to naturally think otherwise, of course. but god hates them.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-05#1956632 - "if ($a = 1) ..." worked for me, though in the stupid C sense that the operator has elsewhere, yes. Tried Python and apparently it syntactically forbids single-= in an "if" statement, probably because it has this strict statement vs. expression distinction
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-03 04:00:09 mircea_popescu: and in other wtf, hey lobbes does http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/12/paying-penance-for-walking-the-path-of-derealisation/?b=honestly%20a%20kind&e=slept#select work as intended for you ?
jfw: lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-03#1956535 - doesn't work for me either: hightlights but doesn't jump to the right place. Looks like there's a stray <span id="select"> in the article source
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 23:27:44 mircea_popescu: jfw, speaking of http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2020/whats-on-my-mind/#comment-177 i expect one of the better examples could be perhaps http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-01-08#1767152 ; i dunno if it's universally as obvious from context as it is to me that indeed i'd have paid the tranny had nobody complained. perhaps even after, had it been litigating less retardedly.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957677 - I'll have more chewing to do on the political philosophy angle but otherwise I think I get this point.
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2020/02/the-basilikon-doron-or-royal-gift-a-constitutional/ << The Whet -- The Basilikon Doron, or "Royal Gift", a Constitutional
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/openwrt-package-checksums-not-checked-opening-mitm-opportunities-and-further-downstream-havok/ << Qntra -- OpenWRT Package Checksums Not Checked Opening MITM Opportunities And Further Downstream Havok
hanbot_abroad: mircea_popescu i'd say it's better than what i ended up using, from the woman's fault, "The term of art for this would be stramula. It comes from a seminal Romanian-language piece on the topic (in which language mula is yet another derogatory term for a stupid woman, not that there's any shortage of these ; whereas stra- is a prefix indicating primacy on the decendency line, sort of like grand in grandfather)."
mircea_popescu: i suppose one thing i could do is take the pre-footnotes starnote, "Mula este femeia medie cu preocupari medii, cu credinte medii, decenta mediu si-n general urmaritoarea de turma. Aia care se imbraca cum se imbraca fetele, crede ce cred fetele, spera sa se marite ca asa vrea mami si crede pe de-o parte ca va fi fericita-n virtutea inertiei si pe de cealalta ca oricine ar trebui sa procedeze exact la fel, pentru ca asa-i B
mircea_popescu: hanbot_abroad, the problem is that its source is very much a romanian article.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-31 13:22:55 mircea_popescu: jfw, http://thetarpit.org/2020/a-journey-through-the-gales-installation-process#comment-238 << once spyked approves it there's a chunk in there for you.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-31#1957752 - replied, in spyked's spam queue. In the mean time, http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-linux-initial-release/#comment-182
hanbot_abroad proposes mula for inclusion in republican thesaurus, having no useful source to link to while writing current article and deeming it frequent&occult enough to warrant defining with the other terms.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-31 13:22:55 mircea_popescu: jfw, http://thetarpit.org/2020/a-journey-through-the-gales-installation-process#comment-238 << once spyked approves it there's a chunk in there for you.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-31#1957752 <-- approved. I'll be away for the weekend, but will answer as soon as I get back to the desk
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-31 12:50:54 mircea_popescu: spyked, thetarpit not having footnote tooltips kinda blows!
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-31#1957750 <-- that's been on the to-fix list since I installed mp-wp, I should make it a proper to-do item already
mircea_popescu: hanbot_abroad, http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/ << actually that's where it was!
mircea_popescu: there's also that.
BingoBoingo: Well, China's know what to do with the pichis and rustics, whether they call themselves Tibetians or Wuighurs.
mircea_popescu: since washington can no longer afford the expensive gold-digging coastal gf...
mircea_popescu: jfw, http://thetarpit.org/2020/a-journey-through-the-gales-installation-process#comment-238 << once spyked approves it there's a chunk in there for you.
mircea_popescu: spyked, thetarpit not having footnote tooltips kinda blows!
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2020/a-journey-through-the-gales-installation-process << The Tar Pit -- A journey through the Gales installation process
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-29 17:38:25 mircea_popescu: though honestly, i don't think there's any need (or for that matter any space) for "using the relationship" or anything like that.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-29#1957729 - that's good catch, thanks for the correction and expanding on it.
mircea_popescu: the great advantage of the totalitarian worldview is, after all, that it's a totalitarian worldview.
mircea_popescu: if it wasn't really worth doing, it just seemed like it was at first -- all the better! now they know, and they can thereby move on to doing something actually worth doing.
mircea_popescu: if it was worth doing all the better, you're helping someone do something that was worth doing, which helps everyone here in the most direct of ways.
mircea_popescu: from which point things flow naturally : either what they were doing was worth doing to begin with or not. helping them simply means they'll get to find out faster, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: given that they can benefit, they might or might not feel inclined to talk. that's your job, reducing the latter to the former. in principle most everyone's willing to venture some small ante, see how it goes, and go from there ; corner cases aren't particularly interesting.
mircea_popescu: if they are doing something, they necessarily can benefit -- if they can't, you're doing things wrong, and are cordially invited to change how you do them.
mircea_popescu: in the simplest of terms : whoever you might be meeting, either is doing something or isn't doing anything. if they're not doing anything you absolutely have no use for them, as the idiomatic expression -- there's no possible basis for any relationship, no cause to meet again, get lost dumbo.
mircea_popescu: though honestly, i don't think there's any need (or for that matter any space) for "using the relationship" or anything like that.
dorion: mircea_popescu thanks. your comments have opened us up though and now I reckon we're more likely to establish the initial working relationship.
mircea_popescu: none of these are problems.
mircea_popescu: dorion nothing wrong with approaching individuals, on the contrary, prolly right thing. nothing wrong with having a clear center, concrete, highest advantage, etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:51:58 mircea_popescu: so you know, as far as the life prospects, the future evolution, however you will name the sum-total potential of a person's existence, understanding how to command line is more important than meeting their father. it'll certaily do a lot for them, and it certainly CAN do way the fuck more for them.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957248 - lol, I can see it. a father can in large part be replaced by other positive male role models. I don't reckon cli has a substitute.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:49:03 mircea_popescu: the fundamental problems are that cli-iliteracy is a serious, life-changing disability. in terms of severity, blindness compares, deafness does not. obviously the afflicted are scarcely aware, but this doesn't mean they're not afflicted.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957245 - fo sho. after being blind myself for years, I think I'd quit computers in the imaginary hell in which the cli was taken away from me.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:47:43 mircea_popescu: obviously to a large degree you'll have to support your people, so you'll be working with their things to begin transitioning to sane things as a matter of necessity.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957244 - that's the biggest takeaway I have at this point from this. use what they're doing to develop the relationship and earn their trust and use the relationship to then convert them.
dorion: plus, banks and brokers have their balls in a regulatory vice which takes away a lot of the principal's agency. So our thinking was to approach the principals as individuals and consult them personally, not "their" company.
dorion: e.g. law firms and banks here pretty muuch all have terrible practices and they know it - to a degree, but we were thinking helping them harden their windows systems was carrying too much opportunity cost and there's already competition there.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957240 - in aiming to have something concrete where we had the highest competitive advantage and long term, sustainable leverage for both ourselve and clients, we had been limit
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:38:50 mircea_popescu: so my proposal is rather to look at the matter not as much as you're in the business of TEACHING LINUX (while getting together), but in the business of GETTING TOGETHER (while for instance teaching linux, or gales, or bitcoin, or whatever is needed)
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957236 - ok, point taken and that for sure helps clarify. perhaps I didn't correctly infer what you meant by not wanting face to face to be feasible though.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-06-27 17:39:09 mircea_popescu: the problem though remains, and it goes right into ye olde orthogonality and language discussion ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772426 ) : for sigs to mean anything useful they must not mean anything systematical.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-08-11 14:37:00 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
mircea_popescu: spyked, text is nothing of the kind, review the various ambiguity discussion.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 06:18:27 mircea_popescu: there's also the argument that the compiler's the arbiter of code, and if ~it~ doesn't complain then fuck you. but in any case i really am not advanced enough to have the impression i have something to say on that matter.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957569 <-- imo this gap between code and text is resolvable: code, as written by human, is ~also~ a particular representation of an ast. so whatever tool is able to eat an ast (immediately brings to mind "the compiler", as it stands) should also be able to print it back formatted according to user-defined rules.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 09:41:00 mircea_popescu: spyked, http://thetarpit.org/2020/botworks-ix?b=But%20what&e=if#select << ahaha ok that was lulzy. i confess it never occured to me it'd work.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957335 <-- yeah, someone accidentally a verb there. seems using CL's built-in reader opens the door to all sorts of weird if improperly handled. I think I got it right this time tho
billymg: oh nm, so when selecting code to copy paste the 'iv' for a footnote isn't also included
billymg: > make a select/dblclick NOT also catch the footnote literal anchor << i'm not sure what the select/dblclick is referring to here
mircea_popescu: will have to say what others think. imo if you can manage to make a select/dblclick NOT also catch the footnote literal anchor, footnotes in codeblocks are great things
billymg: agree, i was hoping to have a fancy demo of footnotes within codeblocks until i ran into the issue of the (()) false positives in some code samples
mircea_popescu: the / is spurious. yes, people who get the tag misidentified can just replace the literal [ with an escaped value.
mircea_popescu: i really don't give that much of a shit ; unless it starts getting in my way odds are i'll ignore it. this isn't even laziness or identity as much as actual political philosophy, and as such rather
mircea_popescu: jfw, speaking of http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2020/whats-on-my-mind/#comment-177 i expect one of the better examples could be perhaps http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-01-08#1767152 ; i dunno if it's universally as obvious from context as it is to me that indeed i'd have paid the tranny had nobody complained. perhaps even after, had it been litigating less retardedly.
mod6: jurov: Sale of Foundation Server-B (auctionbot auction #1078, BingoBoingo winner @ 18mn ECU; 0.01800000 BTC) see http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/ ^
mod6: jurov: Sale of Foundation Server-A (auctionbot auction #1077, paying reserve price) see http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/
billymg: mircea_popescu: also responded to your comment on the post just now, the regex matches content between both open and close delimiters so that's why only adding the / to the close was necessary. i.e. there can be as many [[ in the code as you want and it won't bother the matcher
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 16:24:33 mircea_popescu: billymg, my question was rather why not simply ]]
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957636 << for bash and things like nested lists/arrays (i believe you were the first to point that out to me in an earlier discussion actually)
mod6: Ah, is that how it usually goes? Auction creator invoices the winner of the auction?
mod6: (I then, in turn, will send the sum over to jurov.)
mod6: BingoBoingo: I'm not sure what the exact protocol here is, but I'm guessing you can pay me if you'd rather, since I ran the auction for the Foundation.
mod6: Alright, well looks I am buying 'Server-A' since there were no bids. Will pay 0.01700000 BTC to jurov (Foundation Treasurer).
auctionbot: Sell order # 1078 has ENDED: Dell R610 PE Server ships from Uruguay (Server-B) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/ SOLD to BingoBoingo for 18mn ecu. Attn: mod6
mod6: That's fine too. I do actually want the server, so if bidding on it works, I'm fine with that as well.
BingoBoingo: mod6: I don't know that it's a big deal. I strongly suspect you are buying it at the reserve price.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1078: Dell R610 PE Server ships from Uruguay (Server-B) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/ Opening: 17mn ecu Leading Bid: 18mn ecu Ending: 2020-01-29 05:43:42.679910 UTC (1 hours 38 mins)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1077: Dell R610 PE Server ships from U.S. (Server-A) http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/ Opening: 17mn ecu Leading Bid: None Ending: 2020-01-29 05:43:03.567830 UTC (1 hours 38 mins)
mod6: Any thoughts on the better course of action?
mod6: I guess on the other hand, if the auction goes bid-less, then I'll just buy the machine for the reserve price from the foundation.
mod6: 'mod6_auction' is my new irc account for bidding on the foundation's auction for the dell servers.
mircea_popescu: in other news, found and quashed yet another utf bug. http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-mar-2013/ was only displaying up to http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-mar-2013#537603 because the next line contained 👍 which is a wtf
mircea_popescu: billymg, my question was rather why not simply ]]
diana_coman: ah, I see; right, colours and/or anything else up to the css; works.
billymg: so you can go in your theme css and add any styles you want for span.line-removed { }
billymg: e.g. the removed lines have class="line-removed" set on them
billymg: diana_coman: ty. re: the line styling, each line has its own class, so can be trivially styled at the theme level to suit any author's preference. i think it should be up to the blog's author to decide how they present their content (and if they do a horrible job of it, their readership loss is on them too)
diana_coman: np; looks not bad atm though I'd even strikethrough the deleted lines tbh
billymg: it's short and closest to the original [[]] that was suggested but without failing in bash snippets
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957592 << this was my rationale. from actual testing it proved safe across languages (with only a handful of exceptions in the mp-wp genesis' 162k lines)
billymg: and thanks for bearing with me during the live style tweaking
diana_coman: billymg: hm, why the scrollbars then?
billymg: the width of my codeblock column vs. the width of by blog content column vs. the width of the blog "layout" (white bg) is all set in my theme, not in the plugin
billymg: > visual separation via background or similar, sure; but why is more than that needed? << this is the main reason, yes, and i thought that i kept that to a minimum (1px light gray border is all really)
diana_coman: visual separation via background or similar, sure; but why is more than that needed? (and I'm truly asking aka if indeed there's a good reason for it, fine; I just don't currently see the reason)
diana_coman: billymg: I don't get why is the code separated from the rest of the text as such; for one thing the test article there for instance did not work well at all on zoom in/out in my firefox
billymg: also fwiw the width of the viewport i have set in my blog's theme css, not in the plugin. the css in the plugin was left intentionally bare-bones so that users could style it to best fit their own blog layouts
billymg: so i could remove the 1px gray border and increase the width by about 20px so that it goes right to the edges of my blog's content column, but that would still be a viewport, no?
billymg: diana_coman: i'm not sure what you mean. if there's no viewport then the content column of the blog becomes the "viewport" -- e.g. http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-mar-2016/
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 15:04:59 mircea_popescu: the portion "$footnotes_options['superscript'] = (array_key_exists('superscript', $_" is visible on my browser. in order to actually see the "POST)) ? true : false;" portion of it, i'd have to scroll right. however, the right scrollbar is under line 413. if i scroll that far down, the topmost line is in the high 300s, meaning that i can't observe the effect scrolling right has upon line 149.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957590 << ahh, i see what you mean. yes that block was particularly bad in the first version, mostly due to the insane default css tab-width setting. it's also something that i tend not to notice because i don't use the scrollbars themselves for scrolling (trackpad on a laptop instead)
diana_coman: billymg: why is the viewport necessary?
billymg: hrm, i'm not seeing anything else in the trilema logs css that would fix it. so the space to the right of the pane is completely empty, not a single line extending past the viewport's edge? is it a lot of empty space to the right (in terms of pixels, inches, or however)?
billymg: but i'm not even sure yet if that's what's causing the ghost scrollbar you're seeing, since you say the text is properly wrapping within the viewport and the scroll appears unnecessary
billymg: ok, so trilema logs uses `word-wrap: break-all` on the entire content column. i used jfw's suggestion of `white-space: pre-wrap` on the code column because it wraps long lines without splitting individual strings
billymg: in my version of firefox there is no scroll bar, but lemme take a look at the css for trilema logs...
billymg: no, no setting there, so whatever's default (which i believe is overflow: auto)
billymg: hrm, that's strange. that was my only guess as to what be causing the ghost horizontal scroll bar (those lines needed a special case handling with `word-wrap:break-word;` to properly wrap)
mircea_popescu: they're broken, 1e69 - b26d299c1f0e9c11631a78c46f95913bd
mircea_popescu: 128MB default memory limit for a PHP script << this is not factual ; there's no default limit for a php script, it's set by config file, you can make it any value you wish.
billymg: > because while the horiz scrollbar is still there for some reason, there's no need of it, as the actual width matches the window width << this might be because the hashes at the top of the diff are not being broken in your browser
mircea_popescu: this is remedied in the new version, because while the horiz scrollbar is still there for some reason, there's no need of it, as the actual width matches the window width, so there's no leeway to scroll left/right
mircea_popescu: the portion "$footnotes_options['superscript'] = (array_key_exists('superscript', $_" is visible on my browser. in order to actually see the "POST)) ? true : false;" portion of it, i'd have to scroll right. however, the right scrollbar is under line 413. if i scroll that far down, the topmost line is in the high 300s, meaning that i can't observe the effect scrolling right has upon line 149.
mircea_popescu: billymg, in the original example i looked at, line 149 reads : "$footnotes_options['superscript'] = (array_key_exists('superscript', $_POST)) ? true : false;"
billymg: and whether or not that was similar to what a "linter" would do (which is closer to the first block, depending on how it's configured)
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/01/entire-argentine-judiciary-paralyzed-as-computers-stop-working-for-them/ << Qntra -- Entire Argentine Judiciary Paralyzed As Computers Stop Working For Them
billymg: that probably wasn't the best example for "how to manually format your code to fit in the viewport", since the regex line still goes beyond the max column width, but i was mostly trying to make sure i understood what jfw meant by "language-aware indentation" from his editor
billymg: i personally prefer the formatting in the first block because the newlines and indentation make it very easy to see that exactly one condition is being tested (the result of preg_match_all) and that preg_match_all is being passed exactly 4 arguments
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 06:24:08 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957549 << your example instantly falls down on its own power, btw : think you, to scroll right to see portions of the top lines i now have to scroll down such that the lines in question are off the viewport ? how do i know when i scrolled enough ?
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957575 << i'm not sure i follow here. you would need to scroll right to read the line with the regex and then back left to continue downward (since i've already updated the formatting of the patch viewer on my site so that lines now wrap to fit the viewport, here is what i was referring to: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=p1jb )
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957556 << seriously. i was ashamed at myself for how long i'd let it go on. completely wrapped up in the saltmines i deluded myself into thinking i didn't need it
billymg: there should be no more horizontal scrolling, but potentially depending on browser vintage some of the css attributes may not be supported. if it looks off to anyone please let me know along with browser version so i can look into it
billymg: i reduced the tab-width and added the css line wrapping jfw suggested
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957561 << with this in mind i made some adjustments to the CSS that i think improve the display quite a bit http://billymg.com/2020/01/embedded-vpatch-formatting-for-mp-wp-draft-vpatch-for-review/#S1-L1
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957549 << your example instantly falls down on its own power, btw : think you, to scroll right to see portions of the top lines i now have to scroll down such that the lines in question are off the viewport ? how do i know when i scrolled enough ?
mircea_popescu: in any case, the "machine-wrapped lines" refers to the machine pissing spurious characters into the text, NOT to how any terminal ~displays~ the text. what's wrong is specifically comma-slash-n, a syntactucally forbidden construction, \n can only follow a dot, questionmark, exclanation point etc.
mircea_popescu: and i think it's extensible : the same exact process should be applied to all code displayers ; it'll handle comments correctly by default, and people who don't like what it does to their code should write their code otherwise.
mircea_popescu: what i'm saying here to billymg is that he really should look into how trilema flows the content of logs such that they fit in the allocated space, imo that's the only way to go about ths problem
mircea_popescu: now, all this becomes entangled once we apply our literate coding standards, because suddenly the code-vs-text difference above dissolves, and wtf are you saying, mircea_popescu ?!
mircea_popescu: there's also the argument that the compiler's the arbiter of code, and if ~it~ doesn't complain then fuck you. but in any case i really am not advanced enough to have the impression i have something to say on that matter.
mircea_popescu: then again have you seen my/his (hey, if dumbass bois can be denoted by complex pronominal constructions of little sense and even less purpose, why can't i be my/his!!!!) bash kb+ one-liners ? the man's insane!
mircea_popescu: there's the argument that very long lines are a symptom of poor writing habits, and if one re-wrote his code such that "fitting code to viewport" is never an issue the code won't thereby suffer (and if this means ditching idiocies like "object oriented" and dead-end wanna-be nonlanguages -- well, it's a public service).
mircea_popescu: wrt code however, mircea_popescu has no firm oppinion on line length, or what to do about it (apparently he also doesn't have a firm oppinion on discussing himself in the third person, which strikes the fourth person mp, that being the first person reading itself in the third person, as a little odd).
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 02:42:48 jfw: Wrapped lines are something you can get used to perhaps. My historical preference was to pick a fixed width (typically 80) and use the text editor to wrap at that with language-aware indentation, but I understand mircea_popescu to be firmly against this.
mircea_popescu: wrt text, mircea_popescu is firmly against machine newlines, because text is supposed to maintain auctorial intent not machine convenience, and the unit is the paragraph, and further considerations.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957545 << this is a misunderstanding. wrt code, mircea_popescu is firmly against spaces-as-substitute-tabs, on the theory that duble vowels are stupid and triple-vowels pure linguistic breakdown. there's no fucking reason to keep clucking at the same button over and over like a maniac ; and besides there's semantic difference between the two, spaces-as-tabs are just fucking
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 02:39:59 billymg: i think i lean towards displaying code exactly as it is, even if this means some horizontal scrolling _within_ a pane, rather than machine-wrapped lines (which can be disastrous for legibility)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-28#1957543 << imo this is the wrong choice in context.
mircea_popescu: one of the many benefits of travel, it forces the review and fixing of bad trees.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-28 01:20:54 billymg: btw in a few i'll be in cr for about a week. this past week i've been setting up travel iron, archival and transfer procedures, etc. the digital part of the move proving much more complicated than the physical
mircea_popescu: bvt, i did see that, but i took it as a simple stop-gap non-answer. it's there serving a political purpose, i don't have cause to take offense for neglect or anything, which i don't ; but it's not ordinarily much of an answer, as there's no proceeding on it.
bvt: mircea_popescu: since this point was raised in #ossasepia, a ping: i did provide the answer (as best as i could) to http://bvt-trace.net/2020/01/re-pbrt/#comment-110
jfw: billymg: realized I might not have quite understood what you're asking - I meant indentation strictly, not adding line breaks, if that's what the linter does. Much harder thing to do mechanically and well.
billymg: that one i formatted manually but in the saltmines had "linter" running which would do the same thing on every file save
billymg: it's also on my todo list to eventually create a reference theme for mp-wp. this should be an opportunity to better support the code "content type" within the context of a blog
jfw: I'll need to duck out of the discussion for a day or two though; been falling behind on my own priorities. Wanted to chime in though since I'd been recently dealing with blogging snippets.
jfw: Wrapped lines are something you can get used to perhaps. My historical preference was to pick a fixed width (typically 80) and use the text editor to wrap at that with language-aware indentation, but I understand mircea_popescu to be firmly against this.
jfw: you're welcome. and yeah, no fully satisfying fix there that I'm yet aware of
billymg: i think i lean towards displaying code exactly as it is, even if this means some horizontal scrolling _within_ a pane, rather than machine-wrapped lines (which can be disastrous for legibility)
billymg: i think the most involved was the one about styling. it's tricky because the ideal width for a column of text in an article is not the same as the ideal width for a pane displaying code
billymg: jfw: thanks for the quick and thorough review. i left a response to your comments
jfw: ah, possibly trinque is correct too, the fix got fixed. http://thewhet.net/2019/03/mp-wp-patch-for-enabling-html-comments/
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 17:40:14 trinque: I can almost certainly steal someone's session cookie with a comment if they do what dpb suggests.
jfw: trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957361 - independent of the proposed session cookie change, in theory this is not so: there's a whitelist for the tags allowed in comments. In practice it seems to work too. It's in the ever so intuitively named wp-includes/kses.php
billymg: looking forward to being completely done with the move and settled in early march -- five short weeks away!
billymg: btw in a few i'll be in cr for about a week. this past week i've been setting up travel iron, archival and transfer procedures, etc. the digital part of the move proving much more complicated than the physical
billymg: those were some good reads and re-reads, this certainly eases the paranoia that still creeps up every now and then
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-23 02:18:41 mp_en_viaje: to be perfectly clear & understand each other : the ENTIRETY of stage, from "broadway" to "highbrow theatre" to ballet to ice skating to ~EVERYTHING ELSE~, the absolutely and strictly only reason ANYTHING like the stage exists in contemporary degeneracy,
mircea_popescu: feeding others always has the potential to produce socialism. one approach is to also give them something to do -- in which case it produces art, the best form of socialism avaialble.
mircea_popescu: there's a self-obvious reason socialism existed traditionally as the political mode of subsistence peasants, and then became an urban matter once industrialization produced of idle and useless vagrants in sufficient quantities.
billymg: and still requires the effort. it seems the further i get from the child-me the more aware i am of the child-me that remains
billymg: that certainly describes my own trajectory. developing out of the socialist mindset was like any other basic developmental process, in that it required some risk/initiative and continued effort
mircea_popescu: so i really wouldn't be worried about any eventual extermination of socialism. if you don't wash you become filthy, and if you don't think you become a socialist. these'll survive, being as they are the names for a lack. lacks are eternal.
mircea_popescu: in fact, i doubt if anything ~but~ socialism is even meaningful to small children, much like nothing but tit is meaningful to even smaller ones. by extension reproduction-as-only-function females, the dedicated mothers, grandmothers etc with no other activities or preoccupations besides the production and early rearing of children are liable to revert to their mindset and worldview.
mircea_popescu: all children are born socialist the way they're born dumb, deaf and iliterate, with no taste for food and no taste for music, with no sexual capacity or experience, acultural, amoral and so forth.
mircea_popescu: socialism can and will survive indefinitely. like ordinary filth, vermin infestation and so on, it's the natural order, prevalent inside graves, abandoned human dwellings, any other disturbed then neglected terrain.
billymg: how much longer can socialism even survive in a post bitcoin world? is the idea to scam as much as possible before it goes away forever? the failed forkcoin looking exactly like the failed state
mircea_popescu: less reading deng derpy-ping, more log reading. it ain't the 50s anymore.
mircea_popescu: " Non-debate theory is my invention. Non-debate, is to gain time to work hard. When you debate, everything becomes more complicated and it wastes time. Nothing can be done. Don’t debate, and just try. Be brave and experiment." what ludicrous, half-literate, anachronistical nonsense. where's the gook dog been living under for the past decade, a rock in his native chinastan ?
billymg: hanbot_abroad: if you want to take a look i just published a draft of the vpatch. i think more can be done in terms of cleanup of the old code but i wanted to get some eyes on it before doing another pass
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:25:46 hanbot_abroad: billymg what *are* the options on footnotes, even?
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957376 << ah crap, sorry i missed this earlier. they are more like constants (for adjusting e.g. whether you want decimal or roman numeral footnote identifiers) that were stored in the db because the average wordpress luser can't be trusted to edit a few variables in a php file and needs checkboxes he can click instead
ericbot: Logged on 2020-01-27 13:02:26 mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you so dedicated anyway ? wrong place, ditch the heathens at the FIRST sign of trouble.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957409 << I think I may have been a little blinded by my desire to not keep you waiting forever for this thing. But after actually talking it through (and getting proper sleep) I can see that trying to ride that rabid horse wasn't going to pay off in the long run
ericbot: Logged on 2020-01-27 13:01:32 mircea_popescu: http://www.krankendenken.com/2020/01/mp-wp-bot-my-current-problem-and-possible-solutions/ << just ditch the shithole host you ran into.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957408 << roger that. Yeah, the 'oops suspended' thing was pretty odd. I'm fine just declaring "Shinjiru" a scammer and finding someone else then
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem with permitting the enemy to get involved with the state.
BingoBoingo: The 2008 one apparently ended up thus far costing 8 times what they projected back in 2008
BingoBoingo: Here's there a lot of noise now about reforming the 2008 retirement reform that was itself a "reform" of the 1995 reform.
mircea_popescu: basically the place's been economically in the equivalent of "having just lost a major war" since 1880
BingoBoingo: At this rate they'll be getting a "Peso Solidario" in the near future.
mircea_popescu: The peso ley 18.188 replaced the peso moneda nacional at a rate of 100 to 1 and was itself replaced by the peso argentino at a rate of 10,000 to 1 (the thing the austral replaced)
mircea_popescu: before that there was also a "peso ley 18.188", replacing a "peso moneda nacional" und so weiter
BingoBoingo: The USG "World Bank" of all folks *encouraged* Argentina to embrace the convertability trap
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-15#1956896 << here's some lulz : in 11985, the "austral argentino" replaced the peso argentino at a rate of 1 austral = 1000 pesos argentinos. in 1992, the "peso convertible" replaced the austral argentino, at a rate of 1 peso convertible = 10,000 australes. therefore, between the pre 1985 peso and the post 1992 peso there's a relationship of 1:10^7
dorion: re overwhelming, to my eye the best thing you can do atm is make the work as public as possible so the people who want to help you can.
dorion: ave1 I hope those above lines didn't make it seem ~more~ overwhleming, but the bottom line I'd like to get across is yeah, there's a mountain of work and while it's all achievable it has to be sustainable. let's work with urguncy, but not haste and make sure our early decisions are properly weighed.
dorion: trinque further notes that apparently 4.7.4 can be built with tcc
dorion: the summary there is 4.4.7 is what mp mainly uses and 4.7.4 is what Gales Linux uses. 4.7.4 is the last gcc version to not require any c++ to bootstrap.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 16:55:49 dorion_road: ave1 the latest on the gcc discussion is 4.4.7, 4.7.4 and 4.9.4 are up for consideration.
dorion: ave1 thanks for fixing the comment and likewise on the pushing/asking. way easier to deal with than silence :)
dorion: mircea_popescu np on the tags.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957474 - I didn't think I was pushing too hard, given his words. and thanks, I'm up for fun, but sometimes find being serious yields the most fun :)
ave1: as for the genesis, I have the first steps, but are a bit overwhelmed with the thing.
ave1: dorion, I updated the comment
mircea_popescu: dorion, o damn, you're rifht, i fucked the tags myself. sorry.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 12:42:50 ave1: I was genesing it, and will continue to do so. But with feedback in the loop. So, for example, gcc comes with an old STL html documentation tree, can this be dropped? (I would say yes)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 12:40:02 ave1: As to ownership, I can own gcc 4.9 and would like to work with trinque et. al. on this. The problem here is limited time, so my primary input can be information/communication at this point.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 09:18:54 diana_coman: hopefully it's not *that prospect* that keeps ave1 from resurfacing in the first place!
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 01:23:15 ave1: dorion, I got the pingpack and the comment went into spam, retrieved...
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957374 - thank you. looks like I forgot the closing </a> tag on the link prior to the blockquote. do you mind fixing it ?
mircea_popescu: he's got all the shit from the school bully he's gonna take, for chrissakes! therefore he'll deal with policemen, officious intermeddlers, people in suits and all the rest. anything but some pimply faced, overweight sixteen year old, he's been stuck with him for almost fourteen months and he knows well by now NOTHING COULD BE WORSE!!!
mircea_popescu: this situation reccurs in the history of the young human male's tribulations on earth, whereby he runs away from school because the well familiar small difficulties are TOO MUCH TO BEAR, and "nobody really knows" whether the much larger difficulties are even large or difficulties or anything, so "let's find out"
ossabot: (eulora) 2020-01-27 mircea_popescu: ie, the kid who runs away from rural highschool to make it in town because he knows how hard multiplication or basic func analysis is, but doesn't know how hard making it in town is.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me discussion in #eulora is very relevant to the problem of bois, ie sexually and socially infantile but biologically overgrown males trying to "develop software"
billymg: mircea_popescu: sorry for that, i didn't mean to be so dramatic with the "fine, i'll just work by myself then" -- i think i'm still working out the balance between check in with a question vs. implement and seek feedback. though on review it seems in this case it was more a matter of the clarity/information density of the question/communication
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/01/power-rangers-pushing-taproot-into-their-bitcoin-network-client-fork/ << Qntra -- Power Rangers Pushing "Taproot" Into Their Bitcoin Network Client Fork
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 10:54:52 billymg: i will go ahead and remove the notion of options from the footnotes plugin and publish the patch for review. going forward i will make more of these calls on my own and let the published draft patches speak for themselves
mircea_popescu: in any case http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957437 is, however subjectively justified, nevertheless only a path to polarbeard sadness, it dun work out well.
mircea_popescu: whatever, let them be together, not the end of the world.
mircea_popescu: and the way this is then easiest handled (at least in part for legacy reasons) is as an "object" which gets preloaded, options.hurr = "durr" and so on ?
billymg: the latter was my thinking. even for experienced operator having the magic strings together at the top of the file might be useful / make the code easier to reason with
mircea_popescu: in the (ideally few) cases this is not feasible, people tend to mark their comms as such.
billymg: understood. i think i'm also adapting to the async nature of IRC (you may not hear a response for a few hours, possibly days, so your communication should be clear enough to not require short-loop back-and-forth)
mircea_popescu: in any case, why do you want to maintain the "options" object ? too much hassle to take out entirely ? more elegant to have all the magic strings in one place ?
mircea_popescu: so keep on talking about what you do an' use the experience to talk ever more clearly.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 18:06:46 billymg: my preference would be for replacing 'default_options' and 'current_option' with a single 'option' object in the plugin, no longer storing these in db, and letting users edit that 'options' variable in the php file instead of having to manually edit the db
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 17:59:07 billymg: mircea_popescu: to elaborate: the original version of the footnotes plugin also includes an options.php page for saving db-stored settings. the version that http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs[ships with mp-wp] does not include this
mircea_popescu: there's notwring wrong with discussing the things, on the contrary. but let's read together what you said :
billymg: i will go ahead and remove the notion of options from the footnotes plugin and publish the patch for review. going forward i will make more of these calls on my own and let the published draft patches speak for themselves
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:58:29 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957369 << a png has the disadvantage that i can't tell, for instance, what's a link or how the url looks.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957405 << i meant it only as a brief status update, though i should not have included the png without additional context (the line numbers are clickable and the URL anchors are to your spec, e.g. #S2-L10)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:56:47 mircea_popescu: footnotes plugin original, one, only, etcetera, is the one on mp-wp. what other garbage idiots did is garbage idiots did.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957403 << and this is the one, in mp-wp, that currently includes code that actively writes options to db. i was proposing to remove any remnants of this completely and only leave what would essentially be some constants at the top of the file (though it sounds like even predefining some of these values at the top of the file is unnecessary and can be removed as well
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:55:58 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957366 << how about your preference immediately becomes working on mp-wp as opposed to falsely claiming to be working on mp-wp while in fact trying to stick random unrelated garbage in there under this guise, because at the rate you're currently going im just about ready to set the bozo bit on whatever it is you do altogether.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957400 << i was proposing removal of unnecessary code currently existing in mp-wp, not the addition of any. you can see from my patch history and communications in the logs that the removal of all cruft in mp-wp is what i'm working towards
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:36:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957358 << honestly, no. i think the "option" to "pick the special chars" was useful at the onset, when i was figuring out how the world should work, but double-parens is so well established by now, even etymologically! ("every time you go on a tanget, you have to decide -- is your paranthetical is simple or double?") that it needn't be misrepresented as an optio
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957382 << this was my feeling as well. i thought i'd check before proceeding to remove the code in case my judgement was incorrect. i will go ahead and remove it
mircea_popescu: 'sthematter mocky, do the girls let you off your baluba island cage half wour every other week ?
mircea_popescu: wth is that guy's problem anyway, keeps doing these drowning man bobbles
diana_coman: speaking of resurfacing, mocky.org is still down for me; Mocky, am I trying the wrong url/ip?
diana_coman: hopefully it's not *that prospect* that keeps ave1 from resurfacing in the first place!
mircea_popescu: i expect gcc will be the last owned portion, simply because of what horror it is.
mircea_popescu: also, nice that you've answered those two guys, but there's some waiting on the previous one as well : http://trinque.org/2019/12/28/a-republican-os-part-1/#comments
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-21 04:13:30 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951637 - ugh, I have them on my list & contacted them via email but they must-account (though they did at least say they weren't all that bothered about actual address iirc).
diana_coman: sadly lobbes's hoster there turned out to have been quite as idiotic as they seemed in the first place
mircea_popescu: how's about recent comments in sidebar and title slug in archives, no content, so they can be useful for their intended purposes ?
mircea_popescu: trinque, your blog is such a pain to navigate, dear god. so i want to see your previous article. well... there's no recent articles on the sidebar so i can't just ~see the title~ therefore eschew the need to click things. but let's see the archives... oh oops... this month's archive is entirely identical to you know, your latest article, for the first mile.
mircea_popescu: let the servants work for a living, what the fuck is this.
mircea_popescu: i walk out of shops / restaurants / whatever ALL the god damn time, for the simplest of reasons, such as "took more than thirty seconds to come for orders".
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you so dedicated anyway ? wrong place, ditch the heathens at the FIRST sign of trouble.
mircea_popescu: http://www.krankendenken.com/2020/01/mp-wp-bot-my-current-problem-and-possible-solutions/ << just ditch the shithole host you ran into.
mircea_popescu: smart kidds gotta waste away, don't they, it's the imperative of the moment.
mircea_popescu: in other sighs, /me excitedly checked who the fuck that ИМ ave1 resqued from the spam que might be, went over to "knowen.org", turns out it's yet another dumbass pointless pantsuit platform-wannabe, "protected by recaptcha" to crown the shit in turds.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957369 << a png has the disadvantage that i can't tell, for instance, what's a link or how the url looks.
mircea_popescu: could be interesting for a lol. if you're using it for your basis you're way the fuck outta here.
mircea_popescu: footnotes plugin original, one, only, etcetera, is the one on mp-wp. what other garbage idiots did is garbage idiots did.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this nonsense, "the original" ? what fucking original ? the world starts here, not some other place.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 18:06:46 billymg: my preference would be for replacing 'default_options' and 'current_option' with a single 'option' object in the plugin, no longer storing these in db, and letting users edit that 'options' variable in the php file instead of having to manually edit the db
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957366 << how about your preference immediately becomes working on mp-wp as opposed to falsely claiming to be working on mp-wp while in fact trying to stick random unrelated garbage in there under this guise, because at the rate you're currently going im just about ready to set the bozo bit on whatever it is you do altogether.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 17:59:07 billymg: mircea_popescu: to elaborate: the original version of the footnotes plugin also includes an options.php page for saving db-stored settings. the version that http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs[ships with mp-wp] does not include this
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957363 << i don't understand why you think we care about this. what is this, regress all the things day or something ?
mircea_popescu: as things stand now, 1 exists (though the hash could stand improvement) but 2 doesn't and 3 is sorta-implemented.
mircea_popescu: steall all the cookies you want ; and mp-wp can even dispose with the htaccess ip lockdown mechanism currently in place.
mircea_popescu: 3. users logging in get the cookie passed and a new record in sessions on the basis of the pw thei provided hash-matching the one in users ; logged in users get recognized on the basis of ip, user agent and session cookie identity (all three).
mircea_popescu: 2. there should be a sessions table, where logged in users time of log-in, ip, user-agent, session cookie are stored. sessions older than 24h should be deleted server-side. the session cookie should be a hash of at least the ip, the user agent and server date-microtime.
mircea_popescu: 1. there should be a users table, wherein existent users passwords are stored hashed.
mircea_popescu: the way mp-wp session handling should work is as following :
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 17:40:14 trinque: I can almost certainly steal someone's session cookie with a comment if they do what dpb suggests.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957361 << speaking of this in the foregoing context, the way mp-wp's ~only~ cookie works is well ripe for a rewrite.
mircea_popescu: so you know, for having had useful users, mp-wp-footnotes matured. and for the opposite, crystal space not yet.
mircea_popescu: this also means the code's a preliminary, mock-up. as the user uses, the "options" become resolved into actual correct functioning, and the option-enabling portions get rewritten.
mircea_popescu: and in general, this is how "offering options" even works : sometimes portions of code function can't be figured out by the writer, has to be figured out by the user. thus things like the eulora gfx engine scriptable parts, or the mp-wp footnote options.
mircea_popescu: that was iirc the main item, so they can just get soldered in altogether.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 17:38:38 billymg: mircea_popescu: do you see any use for UI-set and DB-stored "options" in the footnotes plugin? the version in mp-wp has most of that commented out but it's still storing/referencing them which is causing weird behavior (and makes it so the only way you can override the options is to manually edit the db)
mircea_popescu: s it's n olonger naything but. footnotes go into (( )) and that's that, there's no further optionality there.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957358 << honestly, no. i think the "option" to "pick the special chars" was useful at the onset, when i was figuring out how the world should work, but double-parens is so well established by now, even etymologically! ("every time you go on a tanget, you have to decide -- is your paranthetical is simple or double?") that it needn't be misrepresented as an option anymore, a
mircea_popescu: so yeah, i'd very much prefer anyone doing anything for me treat a "suspension" for any term and for any reason as === a lifetime ban of the alleged "provider"/scammer.
mircea_popescu: the natural counterbalance of a hallucinated right to "suspend" is the very real freedom to treat the hallucinator as a common scammer, which is PRECISELY what they are.
mircea_popescu: this is the platform game, and i ain't inclined to play it.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 16:22:00 lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957332 << long story short I went to do a 'dry run' install of everything on the shinjiru server and uncovered a host of snags that I'm currently ironing out (such as ports being blocked, them 'suspending' the service in error for a day, and my general derpage with basic sysadmin)
hanbot_abroad: billymg what *are* the options on footnotes, even?
ave1: and fished out another legitimate comment out of the spam bin.
ave1: dorion, I got the pingpack and the comment went into spam, retrieved...
billymg: most of the time was spent looking up php functions
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/01/grave-authentication-vulnerability-in-cisco-firewall-management-tool/ << Qntra -- Grave Authentication Vulnerability In Cisco Firewall Management Tool
billymg: my preference would be for replacing 'default_options' and 'current_option' with a single 'option' object in the plugin, no longer storing these in db, and letting users edit that 'options' variable in the php file instead of having to manually edit the db
billymg: once set, the plugin loads these options from the db into 'current_options' which is used throughout the plugin
billymg: the footnotes.php plugin has an object with 'default_options', if the options are not present in the db (e.g. on first run), they are set in the db based on the 'default_options'
billymg: mircea_popescu: to elaborate: the original version of the footnotes plugin also includes an options.php page for saving db-stored settings. the version that http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs[ships with mp-wp] does not include this
trinque: I can almost certainly steal someone's session cookie with a comment if they do what dpb suggests.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-22 14:25:30 diana_coman: trinque: that stripping of html tags sounds like the known bug related to php version; iirc it was included in some vpatch though.
billymg: mircea_popescu: do you see any use for UI-set and DB-stored "options" in the footnotes plugin? the version in mp-wp has most of that commented out but it's still storing/referencing them which is causing weird behavior (and makes it so the only way you can override the options is to manually edit the db)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-24 12:59:24 diana_coman: jfw: Keksum's 3rd genesis is now signed and mirrored; as you've gathered already the previous comments on your article directly, I linked that and there's no need that I see for an additional article; also, you messed up something with your Keksum's article title now.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-24#1956026 - thanks diana_coman, it's an honor. Re the page title, still not sure how I did that (part of the wp-admin url got prepended to the title when updating) but I fixed it.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:55:59 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957197 << indeed it has ; look into "strict liability" sometime
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957253 - I was due for a re-read on ye olde crime of being an american, huh. Reflecting on when the article first found me, probably 2015ish, my reaction was to continue the path of distancing myself from the mob, but also to keep a distance from this perceived cthulhu pointing the gun at me for the happenstance of birth. The hospital analogy makes
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:49:03 mircea_popescu: the fundamental problems are that cli-iliteracy is a serious, life-changing disability. in terms of severity, blindness compares, deafness does not. obviously the afflicted are scarcely aware, but this doesn't mean they're not afflicted.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957245 - prime words for the sales pitch right there, ha!
lobbes: I will keep you updated as the ironing continues
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-26 09:21:36 mircea_popescu: meanwhile http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-06#1956661 << dude, i had to actually go fish out see wtf, maybe i misread ? THE TWENTIETH WAS LAST WEEK!
lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957332 << long story short I went to do a 'dry run' install of everything on the shinjiru server and uncovered a host of snags that I'm currently ironing out (such as ports being blocked, them 'suspending' the service in error for a day, and my general derpage with basic sysadmin)
hanbot_abroad: yeah, i was talking to nicoleci about her "etymology" series, and didn't notice i was typing into #trilema rather'n #trilema-hanbot until she higlighted me there. it was...a confusing second and a half, lol
hanbot_abroad: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957331 << well and hopefully as something other than mischan haha
mircea_popescu: i've muted it for now. get back to me asap, once it's fucking fixed, and what the fuck bright idea was this to replace a working "bad" bot with a "better" one that a) dun fucking work and b) isn't even maintained.
ossabot: (eulora) 2020-01-22 lobbes: mircea_popescu: this was a bit of regression after rewriting bot from lobbesbot to auctionbot; I neglected to re-code in the "check if spoken previously before announcing" piece. I will put this on my list to fix
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2020-01-22#1001650 << look man, reversion or no reversion, it's been spamming the shit out of #eulora for the past three-four fucking days, this can't go on like this forever.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/the-woman-who-wasnt-insulted-the-lord-who-accidentally-unearthed-the-political-stone-the-scary-that-was-always-there-and-no-santa-moroze-whatsoever/ << Trilema -- The woman who wasn't insulted, the lord who accidentally unearthed the political stone, the scary that was always there and no Santa-Moroze whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: spyked, http://thetarpit.org/2020/botworks-ix?b=But%20what&e=if#select << ahaha ok that was lulzy. i confess it never occured to me it'd work.
ericbot: Logged on 2020-01-06 22:05:12 mircea_popescu: incidentally lobbes , now that i'm back @travelbase or how shall i put this, shall we get back to the logger thing ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-06 21:50:34 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-01-06#1956654 << this week I've commited to getting a Gales install and report complete, however next week I was indeed going to work on the final setup and testing for the mp-wp logger. If all goes well I should be free to give it another shot on around the 20th of this month
mircea_popescu: meanwhile http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-06#1956661 << dude, i had to actually go fish out see wtf, maybe i misread ? THE TWENTIETH WAS LAST WEEK!
hanbot_abroad: at which point i widen the freaking channel name column lmao
hanbot_abroad: oh good god i've been in the wrong channel the whole time.
hanbot_abroad: Wiktionary provides us that the etymology of the word comes from << "provides that" is a strange construction; generally a provision is a thing (hence provides us with) rather than a fact (provides us that). an obvious exception would be "provides us that thing which is xyz". also a minor point, just, you know...making a point of pointing them out lol.
hanbot_abroad: the 'old' French word << the word isn't 'old' as in part of modern french, but just old. Old French is a language, like Old English; they're sufficiently different (in various aspects, from phonology to spelling to actual vocabulary) from their modern inheritors to warrant different classification. did they give you chaucer to read in school?
hanbot_abroad: " In the end, most of the changes I brainstormed regarding structure did not seem to benefit the content. " << inasmuch as you didn't decide to use those structural changes you contemplated, they did in fact benefit the content --you judged they weren't right, for whatever reason. they're negative space, but just as in a piece of art they're still *there*.
hanbot_abroad: BingoBoingo you're welcome to #t-h to your heart's content, and nothing stops you from using it for your goals before the month is out either, even if it's just to rant/wonder out loud.
hanbot_abroad: bvt, diana_coman tyvm for the links. none are the specific itam i'm looking for, though all could be used to segue into the discussion of such, so once i (probably) peter out on the search i'll pick from there...and naturally the re-reading is pleasant. this isn't even a bad reading compass, throw an idea into chan, enter the reading linkmaze thusly! :D
mircea_popescu: as per which foregoing coversation, the issuance of the long-overdue qntra quarterly is delayed yet again. what can i do, apologies to the interested parties.
BingoBoingo: Give me one month to try to shed the alfisms, and make a hard outreach push to break the 'Qntra looks a whole like like BingoBoingo's other blog' appearance. I'll include a day by day in the weekly recaps, and if material improvement isn't showing in a month... I'll pledge to #ossasepia or #trilema-hanbot if they'll have me in their castles.
mircea_popescu: i dun have time for the retarded pre-teen's world model. either make that thing live or get off the horse so i know i have yet another job unhandled rather than think it handled while it's being slowly but "defensibly" driven into the very ground.
mircea_popescu: that's the fantasy is it ? something along those lines, that if one jacks of ~dedicatedly~ enough in solitude eventually the picture he's spunking all over will come to life ?
mircea_popescu: this has nothing to do with "how well you write". i'm aware this is the typical gambit of the being an engineer, he's gonna -- don't you know -- be SO GOD DAMEND GOOD at being funny/caring/whatever the girl he ain't said hi to yet is gonna... nfi, rematerialize our of his dirty sheets and start doing the laundry one day.
mircea_popescu: this situation where qnta is BingoBoingo's "other blog" can't well continue, it's neither interesting nor useful.
mircea_popescu: this procedure whereby you'll do whatever the fuck it is you feel like doing anyway, and expect the republic to feed and clothe you didn't work for alf, nor will it work for you. cuz it's pure hallucinatoria, it ain't how anything works
mircea_popescu: leaving aside what you say, which is as fine as any sayings ever were i'm sure, who you are (on the basis that is ever determined -- which is, WHAT YOU DO) is this dude who's lazily hitched his cart to what he perceives to be a moving beast of burden, and whatever, if we take it somewhere fine, and if not, i dunno... nobody could accuse you of being a lazy ineffectual fuck ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, well, yeah, that kinda was the conclusion once the original bitcoin isp went south, also.
mircea_popescu: dorion, sorry, left comment on wrong article. meanwhile added to the right one, mind deleting the spurious one ?
BingoBoingo: I'll work on cranking up the outreach now that Pizarro's dead, buried, and done. Last month I made an effort to bring the 'bicycle guy' who'd been doing Pizarro liquidity into the WoT. We met up a few times to talk Bitcoin and Republic, and the evils of socialism. He kept expressing interest, but around the New Year he went silent. I suspect spawnweight and nagwife did him in.
mircea_popescu: since you've been running things, you've done a little that ever diminished, and well... i dunno, never looked at it much, either.
mircea_popescu: from where i'm sitting, the matter's not by wednesday evening. qntra originally started in the other five year plan, you know, not the one ending recently, the one before that. cazalla did a little outreach, which is part of how eg you ended up there, but then found his way back to the spawnfarms.
BingoBoingo: I'll hammer a more refined plan out of the paper notebook on the desk and put it on the blog. Should be ready by Wednesday evening.
BingoBoingo: The only walk in on irc has been shinohai, but so far he's not come with written pieces in hand or expressed interest in trying to establish a disciplined writing workflow. He's just expressed interest without having one of the two things I can say yes to. I can say yes to a piece or I can say yes to the desire to put together a workflow to make pieces. So far he isn't bringing either.
BingoBoingo: It's been a while since I've done one of these sweeps, and I want to see what all the Latinos saying Bitcoin around me are doing, and if any might be able to do disciplined writing.
BingoBoingo: Well, next month I'm inclined to try to meet up will all the folks advertising local Bitcoin trades online. Letting them know what the Republic is, etc. The number advertising themselves here has grown as Argentina's shit itself out of being a place Venezuelans can do the remittance loop thing.
mircea_popescu: ideally, let's revisit the plans wrt attracting writers and improving circulation, and their respective state of implementation.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2020/botworks-ix << The Tar Pit -- Trilemabot and Feedbot V patches, the winter 2020 session
diana_coman: hanbot_abroad: I'd say more about some males not being and women doing but perhaps it might still be what you were looking for; specifically re being, I recall this comment
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, one of these days we're gonna have that talk about qntra already ; you around ?
diana_coman: at the same time upping the writing productions all around so there's *less* time to read it, too! :D
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:39:43 mircea_popescu: build it around the relationship, their building, their lifecycle, their needs. do not build it around the imaginary "point", that isn't.
bvt: hanbot_abroad: http://trilema.com/2018/the-lesbian-in-winter/ ?
mircea_popescu: heres an idea, let's standardize all terminals to 70 colons therefore
mircea_popescu: oh look at me, all the lines i enter are exactly the same length now.
mircea_popescu: hanbot_abroad, did it use the example of kids pictures parents show ?
hanbot_abroad: meanwhile i'm on a multi-day search for a trilema piece that clearly delineated the male mode as "being" and the female mode as "doing"...the uselessness of these key terms makes the search a drag without some other anchor. anyone remember this/remember something else about it?
mircea_popescu: ave1, you know, uniquely among the lands tmsr actually has support systems for such problems. why not drop in say #trilema-hanbot try the working method, as opposed to trying to self-invent methadone by yourself alone ?
mircea_popescu: so you have some grounds to expect that indeed, "clearly labeling A" does soemthing. nevertheless, what it doesn't do is... solve the problem.
mircea_popescu: sure, the expectation on the part of the naive patient that he may be healed might have to be disabused now and again ; sure, the expectation on the part of the naive doctor, that he may practice what he knows without getting killed by chtulhu for no comprehensible reason at arbitrary times should hold as much as it possibly can.
mircea_popescu: you're to come up with some way to deal with the psychological tension on your own, and sure, whatever works for you'd better be good enough. however, what he's saying, and correctly, is that investment in supposed "identity" to resolve the matter's a way to make yourself dumber than you need to be.
mircea_popescu: now, this baseline truth is psychologically painful to doctors, so there's two classes : the kind who go into research, and the kind who put diplomas on their walls. these might even overlap, but the point remains : as far as the people you can't help are concerned, you're not helping. there's no way out of this, and word magic, labes etc won't fix it.
mircea_popescu: this latter bit might even inquire "are you even a hospital then ?!", and the only proper answer's that... no, you aren't. you're a hospital for all those other people, but not for pancreatic cancer guy.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, from the perspective of the patient, he goes in wanting to be fixed. he's done his part. some of these patients who've done their part will hear "ok, do this, don't do that" and some will hear "we don't know"
mircea_popescu: as time goes by, the first list grows (though the 2nd list doesn't shorten), and so while any cultivared man of means could be a doctor in 2000, only ~i and such can be de facto "general practitioners" today... wait, nothing's changed.
mircea_popescu: obviously, people are complicated enough such that at ANY point (meaning, in the times of hipocrates as today) there's going to be a list of very easily remedied dysfunctions and a list of very unremediable dysfiunctions.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 20:23:06 jfw: trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955688 - do I understand this claim as: if A assists B to use known-bad software X as opposed to known-worse software Y, while clearly stating the risk, A is then to blame for what harm may befall B?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957195 << take the hospital analogy.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 20:24:16 jfw: AFAIK even the ol' USA has not quite reached the point where you're still liable even if you put the "warning: hot coffee is hot" warning on the hot coffee
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957197 << indeed it has ; look into "strict liability" sometime
mircea_popescu: the difference between the subsistence hunter and the instagram foodie isn't merely that the subsistence hunter doesn't have marble countertops or cuisinarts. a point readily verified by giving him some.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 19:54:12 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957173 - regarding the "because" there: there was perhaps a degree of teaching it because we'd built it, but I see it more the other way - a text-only Linux being a good choice for the job specifically because it doesn't have the GUI crutch and CLI illiteracy is one of the bigger barriers that otherwise intelligent people face to using serious
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957189 << quite so. using tools, ~thinking in ways which make their activity amenable to useful tools~ and so on.
mircea_popescu: gales or no gales, the man who can't cat | grep is closer to a boy than any other man.
mircea_popescu: so you know, as far as the life prospects, the future evolution, however you will name the sum-total potential of a person's existence, understanding how to command line is more important than meeting their father. it'll certaily do a lot for them, and it certainly CAN do way the fuck more for them.
mircea_popescu: whole "work-years", entire "departments" could readily be replaced by you know, half hour's worth of sed ; they aren't because us corporatelandia mostly exists as makework, to create the illusion for millions of ambitious derps that they're "doing something" lest they take to the streets and start throwing rocks. nevertheless, even if the cutting legs is systematically needed in socialism, to crate the sort of helpless vat
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problems are that cli-iliteracy is a serious, life-changing disability. in terms of severity, blindness compares, deafness does not. obviously the afflicted are scarcely aware, but this doesn't mean they're not afflicted.
mircea_popescu: obviously to a large degree you'll have to support your people, so you'll be working with their things to begin transitioning to sane things as a matter of necessity.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's a mandatory time where you must irc, anymore than i think there's a mandatory time when eg people from #ossasepia must trilema or anything.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 18:42:14 dorion: One middleground we've looked at pivoting to is using a server with tmux session sharing combined with a voice or video call. That will provide a "classroom" experience for both instructor and student from the comfort/convenience of the home office.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957178 << not like it's forbidden or anything. i'm not saying you should marry all these people or anything like that. i think the way of looking at it is the central problem, once that's well anchored the specific ways you go about it in a circumstance or another's you know, a matter of circumstance.
mircea_popescu: ask everyone, from obscure shitholistan small lawyers to lobbes or nicoleci or anyone you meet, they can tell you.
mircea_popescu: look at the expansion angle : if ten days after you've sat down, dude says, "um... so my whole business is fucked by this data conversion problem", as they ALL FUCKING ARE, you must have lived under a rock somewhere if you believe "western world" "business" in its daily practice at the office is ANYTHING but trying to deal with data formats
mircea_popescu: build it around the relationship, their building, their lifecycle, their needs. do not build it around the imaginary "point", that isn't.
mircea_popescu: so my proposal is rather to look at the matter not as much as you're in the business of TEACHING LINUX (while getting together), but in the business of GETTING TOGETHER (while for instance teaching linux, or gales, or bitcoin, or whatever is needed)
mircea_popescu: if instead of taking actual women to actual cages and stocks i joined the choir invisible, and "did" TWICE, whatever, ten thousand times "as many", except you know, "not physically" to use an euphemism... woudl you be impressed with how much i've progressed ? would i be ten thiousand times better if instead of being real i collapsed into wholly imaginaey ?
mircea_popescu: but if you don't do that, "we don't know how to distinguish", "all abstractions are in principle just as good as any others" and so on.
mircea_popescu: so boggle with me at the sheer insanity of unleashed abstraction : the moment you put it in human frame, the moment you tie it down to the sanity engine of the brain, the part that ~actually~ works of it, having been honed into working through endless millenia of practice, having its capacity to distinguish right from wrong and correct from dumb evolved into existence, suddenly it's all fucking self-obvious.
mircea_popescu: there's no single kink, it's all straight as rain.
mircea_popescu: yet look at it in the cold, blue light of logic : between these three categories, (men and women in an atomic soup), (men jacking off in front of the computer to images of women it presents), (women cavorting naked in man's livingroom) and these three categories, (noobs and experts in an atomic soup), (noobs wanking on reddit to images of experts it presents), (experts teaching noob computers in noob's livingroom) the rela
mircea_popescu: honestly, i believe the being together part is actually more important than the "teaching linux" or "sticking it in her" or "playing with stocks and wheels" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: yet what sort of fucking is that, ~if she's not even there~ ?
mircea_popescu: physical presence also limits me wrt to the sluts i can fuck, both in regards to variety (for instance, the typical redditard chronical masturbator "has sex" with a much greater variety of women that never heard of him) and in regards to whatever the fuck i can catch from them. like say the common cold, the fewer actual women you physically meet, the less variety of colds you'll get. obviously the subway is RIGHT OUT!!!
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 18:41:37 dorion: With that being said, physical presence limits us, both from clients we can work with and, as we grow, instructors we can onboard, e.g. spyked.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 18:42:14 dorion: One middleground we've looked at pivoting to is using a server with tmux session sharing combined with a voice or video call. That will provide a "classroom" experience for both instructor and student from the comfort/convenience of the home office.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 18:39:46 dorion: mircea_popescu I hope I've not waited too long, but I'm ready to ask you about the face to face structure jfw and I started with for jwrd.
mircea_popescu: mod6, alright then
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 20:23:06 jfw: trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955688 - do I understand this claim as: if A assists B to use known-bad software X as opposed to known-worse software Y, while clearly stating the risk, A is then to blame for what harm may befall B?
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957195 << hm where's the line from mircea_popescu about the bum in the street screaming at you to get off HIS corner having more patriotism than "you've" ever had
jfw: Agreed then.
trinque: you must hear me with the series pounding on the fact that "found object, labelled" is not enough.
trinque: and we with the OS project must solve more of the latter.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 20:13:36 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955683 - this is not necessarily the case though, no? lock in correspondent addresses up front, or gpg keys to verify delivery instructions offline, or send address by courier, whatever. Airgap does not solve all problems, obviously. Shooting yourself in the foot is not the gunsmith's fault is it?
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957193 << you miss my point, which is not "and therefore never do things"
trinque: and I'd have said "mod6 what the fuck, there are already classes for keys" and then by god, we'd have babby's first culture brewing by lunch
snsabot: Logged on 2017-10-13 11:32:29 trinque: the introduction of new classes should be perma-banned
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 02:04:30 mp_en_viaje: i mean uh. the word's the same, ye olde beran, but the participle / past tense of it is "borne" in all cases when you're not talking of actual birth.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-19#1955775 - thanks, fixed. Indeed I recognized "borne" as correct once pointed out but then "wait, so what's the infinitive of born if it's not about the bearing?!"
jfw: AFAIK even the ol' USA has not quite reached the point where you're still liable even if you put the "warning: hot coffee is hot" warning on the hot coffee
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:37:41 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955617 << it solves only the pretense of being "not to blame" while still being very much to blame
jfw: trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955688 - do I understand this claim as: if A assists B to use known-bad software X as opposed to known-worse software Y, while clearly stating the risk, A is then to blame for what harm may befall B?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:36:14 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955615 << so then your inputs to the process are haxed, and you go diligently dispatch btc to 1HaxFuckYou
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955683 - this is not necessarily the case though, no? lock in correspondent addresses up front, or gpg keys to verify delivery instructions offline, or send address by courier, whatever. Airgap does not solve all problems, obviously. Shooting yourself in the foot is not the gunsmith's fault is it?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 18:39:58 dorion: To provide context, the main reason we started with this is because Gales as an environment is pure text, so the command line must be used. For the most part, the people we're prospecting don't have command line experience.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957173 - regarding the "because" there: there was perhaps a degree of teaching it because we'd built it, but I see it more the other way - a text-only Linux being a good choice for the job specifically because it doesn't have the GUI crutch and CLI illiteracy is one of the bigger barriers that otherwise intelligent people face to using serious
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dorion: (I'm not saying one's better than the other, just pointing that it exists.)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 13:14:56 mod6: The howto document now requires that you have Ada on your environment before you build, and the builder will also need to build starter_v_2 first, before any other steps are to be completed.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957161 - I see. perhaps writing some articles about the process on your blog would mitigate the downs and amplify the ups ?
dorion: Panama does have a more old school, meet in person culture, so we see face to face still as a good option for building long-term relationships, e.g. makes going for a drink after class that much easier, but cutting the number in half rather than the full 25.
dorion: On top of that we plan to move IRC from around session 20, where it was with the first batch, to somewhere between sessions 5-10 and make that the primary, or ideally only, communication channel.
dorion: One middleground we've looked at pivoting to is using a server with tmux session sharing combined with a voice or video call. That will provide a "classroom" experience for both instructor and student from the comfort/convenience of the home office.
dorion: With that being said, physical presence limits us, both from clients we can work with and, as we grow, instructors we can onboard, e.g. spyked.
dorion: We build them up from an environment they're used to, but also heavily stress practice of the commands and text editor.
dorion: The lectures and course materials - we provide both digital and hard copy resources - were built around this structure. We've provided hard copies of lectures/in class exerices and homework, in part because they've typically never used a text editor (though vimtutor is part of the early homework) and pencil and paper brings them back to a more familiar learning modality.
dorion: At the start, basics like remembering where spaces go in command syntax and the difference between slashes and dashes can trip them up. Thus, sitting next to them a) gives them some assurance, b) allows the instructor's feedback loop to be shortened because he sees exactly where the mistake is being made and c) makes keeping the sessions within 90 minutes more feasible.
dorion: To provide context, the main reason we started with this is because Gales as an environment is pure text, so the command line must be used. For the most part, the people we're prospecting don't have command line experience.
dorion: mircea_popescu I hope I've not waited too long, but I'm ready to ask you about the face to face structure jfw and I started with for jwrd.
mod6: The howto document now requires that you have Ada on your environment before you build, and the builder will also need to build starter_v_2 first, before any other steps are to be completed.
mod6: mircea_popescu: Ok, I have published my trb keccak regrind on the bitcoin.foundation site. It comes with the following: 1. Update to original genesis.vpatch - removes the UTF charater. 2. Added mod6_privkey_tools.vpatch (unchanged fro the original ML posting by myself.) 3. A manifest file. 4. I've also updated the howto document on thebitcoin.foundation.
mircea_popescu: "waiting to fo into keccak". there's no fucking waiting. do it, do it now, and stop with the infantile bullshit. the republic isn't optional, nor is it trying to persuade the infant in you.
mircea_popescu: but it's a fact : stop trying to put yourself in the way, it will not stop anything and it will fuck you iup.
mircea_popescu: no fucking clue why your ferrocraneum manages to conceal from you the plain obviousness of this ; no fucking idea what you make of all the other mangled bodies of like idiots scattered about, nor of the actual pain you feel and have been feeling.
mircea_popescu: stop putting yourself in the way of progress, the only thing you'll get out of it is your own mangled body.
mircea_popescu: mod6, why are you looking for a lord to "doubleckeck your work" ~outside~ of the process through which this is done here ?
mod6: thx, for denoting the offline component in scheme.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 00:20:48 mod6: I am also aware of the wallet work that has been on-going in python by gbw. Maybe this gets folded into that?
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957153 - the online component is in python, the offline component is in Scheme.
mod6: Upon resoltion of the privkey_tools question, will happily add it to the current archive of signed Keccak TRB Vptaches.
mod6: Also, mircea_popescu, I do have the the entire trb tree (with exception of privkey_tools) signed and ready to go in Keccak. Has been since last January. I havne't been able to find a Lord who will double check my work though.
mod6: I am also aware of the wallet work that has been on-going in python by gbw. Maybe this gets folded into that?
mod6: Anyway, I'm open to another discussion around the privkey tools vpatch. For what it's worth, I think TRB sorely needs it. But again, the whole discussion about the wallet.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-10-13 11:32:29 trinque: the introduction of new classes should be perma-banned
mod6: There was also the entire question of not putting it in, as it was discussed that the wallet should be cleaved from the rest of the architecture itself -- and further work on wallet related things should wait.
mod6: billymg: Hi, it wasn't included because there was an objection (i'll have to dig the logs for it) to it being included (trinque) because it includes a class that was deemed unnecessary.
billymg: i was looking through the logs trying to find a reason why it wasn't included in the main release but couldn't find an answer. are there any caveats/things i should watch out for?
billymg: mod6: been doing some testing with your privkey_tools patch and afaict everything's working as it should. i applied it manually after pressing the trb stable tree
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ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-25 09:06:41 mircea_popescu: yo dorion , you wanna head the tmsr-os project for us ?
dorion: in other tmsr os updates, I expect to have a review from nov 25th to present and plan for february published by this sunday.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-22 18:06:39 bvt: dorion: the new v impl is written in a posix shell + awk + ada; the core algos in ada are perhaps too simplistic, but they work nicely so far; the eta is end of next week
mircea_popescu: fucking surpluss epiphenomena, all these loudly hollow tin women everywhere.
mircea_popescu: maybe he could get a boad, like the rest of them. an imaginary boat, and you know... just sail, foreverafter...
mircea_popescu: maybe ask him what his contingency plan is once twitter "loses his password" ? how will he continue to regale the eager world with the delightful tales of his continued, sustained failure to mean or matter in the world ?
mircea_popescu: to add the lulz crown on the lulzcow, he's doing all this shameful, obscene self-criting on fucking twitter of all places, a platform like any other, with a great history of doing EXACTLY such to derpy cuckbois just like him.
billymg: dorion: very excited for sure. and congrats on already making a life for yourself outside of the wire
dorion: the price of gold in usd was only briefly above the price it was that day (~$1720ish), despite usd being continually diluted. meanwhile, p. schiff, "i didn't forget my password, my wallet forgot my password." doh.
dorion: billymg cool. march 1st will mark the 8th anniversary of me making the jump. saludos !
billymg: dorion: i should be there full time in early march, i'll be there for about a week starting at the end of next
mircea_popescu: being smart and having interesting work are the only cure to writer's block yet found or ever liable to be known
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ha! I did look in disbelief at the length of my own "comment" - it's longer than some articles I published at other times!
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-22 18:06:39 bvt: dorion: the new v impl is written in a posix shell + awk + ada; the core algos in ada are perhaps too simplistic, but they work nicely so far; the eta is end of next week
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-22 18:03:57 bvt: dorion: typically i just go to gym; after vacations i added swimming to the mix (used to do a lot of that in school), and i like the 'noble tiredness' feeling that it gives a lot.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-22#1957092 - nice. I grew up playing team sports, but find myself primarily doing gym exercises these days.
dorion: right, things were going down hill before them, but I reckon they accelerated the decline.
dorion: yeah about then.
mircea_popescu: what's boomers ? isn't it people born in the 50s ?
dorion: mircea_popescu calls to mind the trilema mediocrity byline.
mircea_popescu: used to be a chicks-only thing, we'd sit around with the women and laugh at the lanky colts. but nowadays it's spread.
mircea_popescu: in general, idiots will a) sabotage any attempt to fix their stupid head and then b) destroy the remains. it's a narrative approach to the world, this "oh, you're perfect the way you are, don't you ever change, that's your identity" bla bla bla.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-22 15:24:22 billymg: dorion: thank you sir, looking forward to being down south soon with the rest of the central american division
dorion: mircea_popescu yeah, I discovered that when I had the conversation with him back in nov. clocks still there though..
mircea_popescu used to get what i expect is the ~same, from horses.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-22 18:03:57 bvt: dorion: typically i just go to gym; after vacations i added swimming to the mix (used to do a lot of that in school), and i like the 'noble tiredness' feeling that it gives a lot.
bvt: dorion: the new v impl is written in a posix shell + awk + ada; the core algos in ada are perhaps too simplistic, but they work nicely so far; the eta is end of next week
bvt: dorion: typically i just go to gym; after vacations i added swimming to the mix (used to do a lot of that in school), and i like the 'noble tiredness' feeling that it gives a lot.
billymg: dorion: thank you sir, looking forward to being down south soon with the rest of the central american division
ossabot: Logged on 2019-03-21 03:08:34 danielpbarron: the culprit function is in wp-includes/comment.php: $commentdata['comment_content'] = apply_filters('pre_comment_content', $commentdata['comment_content']);
diana_coman: trinque: that stripping of html tags sounds like the known bug related to php version; iirc it was included in some vpatch though.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-21 23:57:55 billymg: damn it feels good being in control of my time again. i spent the morning installing alf's dulap-gentoo on a lenovo E545 i picked up off ebay, plus some research into the trb setup i'll want for it. i then took a break in the afternoon to read the origin stories from jfw and dorion, both of which were inspiring/motivating (and i plan to continue with the background articles published recently on other blogs as well
dorion: bvt sounds good on the kernel.
dorion: bvt the new V sounds cool. what are you writing it in and do you have an estimated delivery date ?
dorion: trinque your blog did the html stripping thing again from my latest comment; here's the sauce.
bvt: dorion: slowly getting back into shape after vacations, so far some workslots got sacrificed for more sports. other than that, on the vacation i started to write a v implementation that would not have the performance issue; while it's 90% done, need to invest some more time to finish it. after that, will port the fg-rng to 2.6.32
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/mEhtD << "Vet Check International" is a website whose stats are provided "as a free service to all Scott Web Service web hosting customers", which also includes you know, everyone who isn't a customer. and, as it turns out, most of the visitors check out... the STATS!!!
mircea_popescu: http://vcidairy.com/stats/usage_201912.html << in other "wtf internet ?!" lulz.
billymg: ). i also emailed and heard back from a lawyer in cr about getting the residency process going, so all in all not a bad day
billymg: damn it feels good being in control of my time again. i spent the morning installing alf's dulap-gentoo on a lenovo E545 i picked up off ebay, plus some research into the trb setup i'll want for it. i then took a break in the afternoon to read the origin stories from jfw and dorion, both of which were inspiring/motivating (and i plan to continue with the background articles published recently on other blogs as well
dorion: hey bvt, thanks for the update, how goes ?
billymg: sorry for the delay and thanks for reading/responding to the article
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mircea_popescu: none, none the fuck whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: they're not even good for thieves, these morons. what the fuck need is there for any of these Edgar Allan Poe Society of Baltimore - Works - Criticism ... / [Search domain www.amazon.com/Best-American-Humorous-Short-Stories/dp/1547279826] https://www.amazon.com/Best-American-Humorous-Short-Stories/dp/1547279826 / The Distinguished Gentleman's Ride - YouTube / monday | Stylish mens outfits, Real men real style, Dapper ...
mircea_popescu: in other smoldering failures of the female state, the internet contains loads of crap periphrastically related to james lawson's "the dapper gentleman's story", except the item itself.
mircea_popescu: almost close enough to lend credence to the theory whereby "modern democracy" is just bald faced freedom=slavery label misdirection.
mircea_popescu: funny how close together freedom & "mistreatment" tread.
mircea_popescu: i think you should be the judge of that ; not because i suspect you're either good at it or have any experience with it worth the mention -- but exactly for the forestated reasons :)
billymg: good points. she will certainly have several jobs once we land (running the b&b for one) but in the meantime a lot of this stuff will just get done faster/better if i do it myself
mircea_popescu: mitigating circumstances can be applied to lighten punishment for failure, but what's the point of applying them before the test, or to eschew the test ? life's not different by virtue of mental fiction. that's what has to be done, that's what has to be done.
mircea_popescu: AFTER which you can of course forgive & even forget, on the grounds of "well, she was young". but ~AFTER~.
billymg: her only "education" to this point has been the usg school/college system, which i'm constantly working to undo
billymg: the pet will be joining on that trip, yes. but she still needs quite a bit of training before she can be sent on a mission like that on her own (she's at the early end of her 20s)
mircea_popescu: yet ironically, instead of being the very lubricant of movement, "oh, its very easy for me to go to a new place, i got a whole retinue of women", moronworld works EXACTLY the opposite, "oh, for all these dumb cunts around i can't go anywhere".
mircea_popescu: da fuck are females even for in this world, if not "domesticate the new place before i get there"
mircea_popescu: you know this is traditionally the role of the women in the household ?
billymg: my focus now has been the move to cr. i've got movers scheduled and a short trip at the end of this month to scope it out and try to get a few things set up before i'm fully down there
billymg: in other news i'm now a free man, last day of the pantsuit job was friday
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-19 08:58:25 mircea_popescu: billymg, wouldja handle the moderation incantations for http://billymg.com/2020/01/mp-wp-patch-viewer-and-code-shelf/comment-page-1/#comment-84 ; i dun want him to read one without the other.
hanbot_abroad: why not them, on stakes?
mircea_popescu: there, complete circle.
ossabot: Logged on 2016-11-10 10:38:43 mircea_popescu: look at it from the historical perspective : music was invented in babylon to quell the wail ; because the males there had the wisdom to kill the boys - for "no reason" but did it. then the jews came along and put it in their book to not do sacrifice children - and so the dumb women flocked to them, and they birefly prevailed. only to go to shit in a handbasket soon thereafter, so much so the fucking short-legg
mircea_popescu: "before the jews came along", it was that.
mircea_popescu: recall the discussion of how music was invented ?
mircea_popescu: so while it's not surprising that america meanwhile became the land of the landwhales, we knew it was going to fail the moment it wasn't the land of the poor blameless helpless damsels chained naked to poles to die there of neglect and exposure.
mircea_popescu: compared to this, catering to the female hunger for calories is a minor loss.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the ~worst~ trait of any society is the satisfaction of the female hunger for safety. it's both morally wrong and ethically exactly opposite of the correct stance.
mircea_popescu: thus they all went into gambling.
mircea_popescu: and soon enough farming became an economically impossible activity, because a land will only produce what it produces, and its silver value will only be what it is, whereas passage of time and accumulation of these benefits is a monotonously growing function
mircea_popescu: this, for being squarely against the law not to mention devoid of any possible legal substance (how the fuck's the titleholder to dispose of goods past his deat h?!) nevertheless got enforced
mircea_popescu: instead of "bitch, if i die you're a beggar, make sure i very well fucking don't", it was a "and after i die you get so and so silver each harvest out of your son owning the lands"
mircea_popescu: but that didn't matter. what sunk it was the habit of imbecile peers to create allotments for the support of their wives out of the inheritance.
mircea_popescu: then, of course, the crown moved to lesser heads, and they became by degrees hostile
mircea_popescu: the crown ~of the period~ understood enough to at least get out of the way (really, they helped in minor senses)
mircea_popescu: the mankind sheepherd.
mircea_popescu: originally, the better cut of humanity came up with a rule whereby one son of a family inherits the title, and is a peer ; everyone else -- falls back into the indistinct swamp of commons
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what ruined the medieval age, too.
hanbot_abroad: mircea_popescu that obnoxious interloper character that won't stop projecting herself onto the old dude? yeah
mircea_popescu: wasn't the workers, it was... hey, do you remember the annoying woman in the pawnbroker ?
mircea_popescu: otherwise they end up with ideas such as me being both cool and human says something about ~them~.
mircea_popescu: these must be a) drafted into "military service" consisting of digging ditches in the mud for a year ; and then whipped regularly for recall.
mircea_popescu: "The originators of the Robber Baron concept were not the injured, the poor, the faddists, the jealous, or a dispossessed elite, but rather a frustrated group of observers led at last by protracted years of harsh depression to believe that the American dream of abundant prosperity for all was a hopeless myth." << this set, the horseface whatshername followers.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-19#1956961 - eh, they misspelled rewards and horrors.
mircea_popescu: go to senate, "sorry, our railroad can no longer function if there's not an old idle shameless woman tied to every pole. pass a law or we bring in the japanese to govern, you've a week or two"
mircea_popescu: nfi why they didn't chain the dumb bitches up ; they did have the poles along the railroad.
mircea_popescu: no, his father was "amasa"
mircea_popescu: (they misspelled it "dewitt" on the birth paperwork, but it's a self-obvious farmer's mistake. what fucken wit, it's california.)
mircea_popescu: O no. Then list with tearful eye, whilst I his fate do tell.
mircea_popescu: Not these impaired the sacred name of Leland Stanford Nitwit.
mircea_popescu: No; such was not the fate of young Leland Stanford Nitwit;
mircea_popescu: And did the sad hearts thicken, and did the mourners cry?
hanbot_abroad: "by royal appointment spreader of the semi-protected membrane"
mircea_popescu: hanbot_abroad, i dunno, "who can keep on sinking the longest" ?
mircea_popescu: (and, of course, in keeping with the traditions of imbecility, "this article is semi-protected, as per bla bla policy". not, eminently, "this article is protected because our philosophical model is utterly broken and doesn't even work in our own hand". but SEMI-protected, because if you don't call failure by its name it's almost as if it never happened, and besides, coming up with an alternative "plausible" reason for it e
hanbot_abroad: not like any of the others are intelligible, but wtf is a 'britannia award'?!
mircea_popescu: billymg, wouldja handle the moderation incantations for http://billymg.com/2020/01/mp-wp-patch-viewer-and-code-shelf/comment-page-1/#comment-84 ; i dun want him to read one without the other.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-18 18:32:16 dorion: on the dissect Gales front, diana_coman reported a successful install, lobbes got a start, but is sidelining for logger work and expects to be done by Jan 31 and ...
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-18#1956934 - successful build; haven't yet installed it, although there's a lenovo x200 unearthed for it.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-18 18:22:18 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-10#1956768 - how's the busybox article coming trinque ?
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-18#1956932 << cranking on it now, probably done later this evening. I've been filling in the gaps in my own understanding as I go.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-18 18:20:01 dorion: I got a positive response from the rEFInd fellow. Invited him to join #trilema.
whaack: lobbes: the reason for the above behavior is as follows: the start string "yesterday" gets matched. so yesterday becomes "<span style="background-color:#d3d3d3" id="select">yesterday" But there is no match for "Because we were talking". So trilema serves a <span> tag that does not properly close. The way most browsers handle this is to put an implicit </span> before the </p>
lobbes: Although, it looks like in some cases it will default to selecting the end of the paragraph when done across tag boundaries
whaack: if the text one's selecting is all within a tag, then the selection tool will properly match. But if you cross a tag, like so, then the markup will interfere
ericbot: (trilema-hanbot) 2020-01-10 hanbot: and take heart, this is part an' parcel of the improvement-->challenge-->failure-->improvement cycle we go over so very often.
whaack: the match for the selection tool is done on the source text, not the output text. "the improvement" does not match to 'the <a href="http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema-hanbot/2020-01-10#1000443" target="_blank">improvement'
lobbes: mircea_popescu: I think it's because the 'improvement' is within a href tag
mircea_popescu: http://www.krankendenken.com/2020/01/stasis/?b=the%20improvement&e=cycle#select << what am i doing wrong then ?
dorion: spyked plans to cover it by the end of the month.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-01-17 diana_coman: jfw: fyi, I got around to build Gales and it seems to have built fine on a CentOS 6 with gcc 4.9.4; there was just a short wtf moment when the... tar cmd failed; it turns out that the --sort option is available only from tar V 1.28 while my local tar is ... 1.23; I didn't see any version spec in the prerequisites though probably my CentOS 6 is about as old everything as one gets nowadays
dorion: on the dissect Gales front, diana_coman reported a successful install, lobbes got a start, but is sidelining for logger work and expects to be done by Jan 31 and ...
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-10#1956768 - how's the busybox article coming trinque ?
dorion: I got a positive response from the rEFInd fellow. Invited him to join #trilema.
mircea_popescu: On the works of last year's men
mircea_popescu: That's a Jew's harp on the table, that's a crayon in his hand... and the corners of the blueprint are ruined since they rolled far past the stems of thumbtacks that still throw shadows on the wood... and the skylight is like skin for a drum I'll never mend. And all the rain falls down
diana_coman: theoretically at least, nothing stops phf from still reading it anyway.
mircea_popescu: rn 25 you'll be stuck changing them by the time they turn 30.)
mircea_popescu: (conversely, of course, one could also wonder "what'd have come of that pet had her ower pointed out to her "look, this is the illustrated story of a woman your age who left behind a career a coupla notches higher than mine to be used properly." but, as the man says, it's never too fucking late. until they turn 30, of course, if you've not started fixing them by they time they tu
mircea_popescu: in other news, pretty great lobbes piece. my one curiosity is "what if this had come out back when, say, phf could still have read it", as a forinstance ; but then again as the man says : the next girls will be trained properly.
hanbot: hey mircea_popescu there's some kinkish noobgirl potential in #trilema-hanbot. not going to suggest she pm you, naturally; feel like coming by to say hello?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in wtf crazy shit, arbitrary chess. wanna play with "nullmage" instead of bishop ? go right ahead. maybe a teleport ? poison ?
mircea_popescu: i understand it's not credible ; but it's nevertheless true, i swearz.
diana_coman: ahaha; and if it's not ~33%, it will still be some % so the more writing the better anyway, sure; lolz.
mircea_popescu: hence the "WRITE!!11!"
diana_coman: good I wrote that CG map article that got him to even talk about it though, huh; now how do I guess what *else* might hit something in the dark like that?
mircea_popescu: http://bvt-trace.net/2020/01/re-pbrt/<< keks, turns out gfx got bvt into computering in the first place huh
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2020/work-plan-for-m1-2020 << The Tar Pit -- Work plan for M1 2020
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2020/01/16/crystalspace-creating-factories-and-meshes-setting-the-client-down/ << Ossa Sepia -- CrystalSpace: Creating Factories and Meshes, Setting the Client Down
mircea_popescu: well, everyone, up to and including goatherders in afghanistan, apparently. hurr.
mircea_popescu: who fucking knew that killing all the smart people doing finance in the us was going to leave all the morons to "fill in the gap" ? an' who knew that competitive advantage was the last hail mary / hopeful girder propping the us sorta-upright on the waters ?
mircea_popescu meanwhile re-reading http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ ; it shoots from history, from a point midway osama bin laden's decerebration strike on the us and today's redditard notion of "evil financial elites".
diana_coman: hm, I suppose it could be argued that the root is deeper perhaps, all the way to "code is not text" vs "code IS text".
mircea_popescu: so no actual meat on those bones. but, the thing with scarecrows is, for as long as you don't look, they can count for the census.
mircea_popescu: self-evident nonsense, i've yet to meet the lang without support for comments, and for as long as a single comment line's left anywhere that line will mandatorily read The Republic prevails.
diana_coman: hardly seems worth it though for that sort of case and I don't quite have any other clear reason for detached sig on vpatches.
diana_coman: http://billymg.com/2020/01/mp-wp-patch-viewer-and-code-shelf/comment-page-1/#comment-75 - mircea_popescu, I never quite understood why detached sigs for vpatches in the first place; I kind of got the idea that it was so that there is no need for sync on signing (no possible clash of the sort A and B sign independently same thing and then one needs to re-sign so as not to end with 2 versions of same vpatch?)
mod6: Ok, I think I've got it. The old mailman thing was weird, my apologies. Please let me know if anyone sees any more broken links in there. But seems to work ok for me, currently.
mircea_popescu: because that's why i do these sorts of things, so a few years later i can discover hurr durr etcetera. i might as well link fucking pantsuit sites, they purge their linkstructure every four years also.
mircea_popescu: so i'm about to quote http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory/ in a discussion with billymg ; except i discover the fucking http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000151.html link is meanwhile broken.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker
feedbot: http://blog.mod6.net/2020/01/physical-specifications-for-the-bitcoin-foundations-servers/ << mod6's Blog -- Physical Specifications for The Bitcoin Foundation's Servers
mircea_popescu: should end up paying 45 out of 123. for some reason known to you only, you managed to insulate your client from that outcome however. maybe time to review cerebral impactions getting in the way of living ?)
mircea_popescu: (other than the formatting point above, i will further mutter in sottovoce that my first reaction, driven WEEKS AGO by what i had originally heard off the grapevine, was along the lines of "oh, i remember now who mike_c is, he's this character you can't stay angry with, try as you might", and offering to add half your fee to the pot, because while it's not the case patron shouldn't make money, it's also not the case client
BingoBoingo will 1 deed per item in the future
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Aite, I'll inform the client.
mircea_popescu: i will want a full release ready to go concomitantly, so if your client isn't liable to be around then maybe deed it prior.
mircea_popescu: the header format's going away anyways.
mircea_popescu: The GPG we inherited fucks clearsigned text blocks inside a larger text block being clearsigned as it is clearsigned for reasons that appear to be related to retardation. << well theoretically it's related to in-band signalling, but practically it was too hard to have a proper parser, take CLOSING signature as the signature, had to have 1step parser which "does not know what to do" if it encounters five dashes mid-documen
mircea_popescu: alright, so i can say that indeed 123.29494813‬ BTC is a legit claim as per all the foregoing discussion.
mircea_popescu brb fucking with editors now. in the future plox, for the love of all that's holy -- one deed per signed item.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-13 14:59:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Now that the deeds have gone through how would you like to move forward?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-13#1956846 << awww man, why the fuck did you bundle all these together ? so it's really REALLY hard to go through them, have to edit files by hand to cut in pieces, can't use automated processes etc ? nuts.
dorion: heya trinque , did you ever say hi to, rod smith, the rEFInd fellow ? I'd be glad to take that up, but don't wanna innundate the dood if you already did or want to.
BingoBoingo: The MPEx stat without the measures GPG takes to fuck clearsigned inside clearsigned is also available here
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-23 11:55:42 mp_en_viaje: do that ; add to it a plain statement of your involvement, and we can take it from there.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Now that the deeds have gone through how would you like to move forward?
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2020/2019-in-review << The Tar Pit -- 2019 in review
trinque: ah bother.
trinque: seems like we're not far apart at all in our views on these things.
trinque: also good to know that gcc >4.7.4 incurs a c++ compiler in the bootstrap process. way, way better to have reasons for where we stop than "eh, I got tired and sat down here"
trinque: will process all these comments and reply soon, after the next article is posted, but I'm glad to hear that these have been valuable.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-12#1956798 << just the simple string "lts" makes my skin crawl
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me how i'd actually go about computing the value-add of supporting whatever config isn't self-supporting ; but it seems indisputable it's under the cost of five second's labour. making the matter not even work considering, let alone discussing.
mircea_popescu: skip trying to buy a coupla shots for whatever rando hobag at the club next time, get yourself a working peripheral [see all the hobags in history naked-er and working it more excitedly anyways].
mircea_popescu: but the cost to replace that is minimal, i mean... oh, so your video card doesn't work no mo ? awww, splurge on 50 bux, which as per latest j-lo self-promotion 1hr long advertisement incomprehensibly packaged as "a movie" ain't even enough to START the moneycount.
dorion: bvt wrt to newer hardware, did you see get a dozen or two alternatives, let the rest wither ?
bvt: porting rng to 2.6 kernel should indeed be not too hard, the only thing i may need adaptation is kfifo api (iirc it's api changed at some point, which may break the code)
bvt: mircea_popescu: moving to 2.6 kernel will be interesting experience wrt. newer hardware. 2.6.32 was one of the better-patched ones, could try to use that. otoh, the machine i am writing from requires 2.6.38 minimum for full hardware.
mircea_popescu: dorion, of course it's trivial, he doesn't use any of the pestilent doohickeys. he could port it to most 1series also.
dorion: mircea_popescu re seriousness, I know it'd be a helluva lot, but I don't imagine porting his work from 4.9.95 to 2.x isn't trivial either. I should've asked, comment how ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Qntra's "hold if comment contains X or more links" filter has been lifted to arbitrarily high number so these gems stop getting held in the moderation line.
mircea_popescu: between 2 and 4 the difference simply is "2 was a linux kernel, 4 is treasonable atrocity built atop 3, which is how you say '''mike hearn''' in linux"
mircea_popescu: between 2.4 and 2.6 the principal change is how kernel modules get loaded (they were actually linked pre 2.6).
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-12#1956783 << well, or at the very least comment on it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 12:42:50 ave1: I was genesing it, and will continue to do so. But with feedback in the loop. So, for example, gcc comes with an old STL html documentation tree, can this be dropped? (I would say yes)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-27 18:40:49 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-17#1951499 << hey ave1, how goes ? has there been a delivery date set on this ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 16:35:17 dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953688 << hey ave1, how goes ? have you been following along the tmsr os thread ? I've assumed you want to continue with your gcc work and own it, is that still the case ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 12:40:02 ave1: As to ownership, I can own gcc 4.9 and would like to work with trinque et. al. on this. The problem here is limited time, so my primary input can be information/communication at this point.
dorion: ave1 do you actually want to own gcc ? or do we need to move on ? ~60 days silence, with unanswered intermittent probings seems to indicate the latter, unfortunately.
dorion: perhaps it's not an immediate priority, but I'd like to clarify the path forward.
dorion: trinque your blog appears to have stripped the html tags and links from my comment , here's the original http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=HL7P
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/01/evidence-that-us-cellular-network-operators-dont-actually-own-their-networks-continues-mounting/ << Qntra -- Evidence That US Cellular Network Operators Don't Actually Own Their Networks Continues Mounting
mircea_popescu: yeah, speaking of which, hey Mocky what became of your site with all the mockybot stuff ?
dorion: spyked I left a comment that's in your mod queue.

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