asciilifeform: ( as i understand quite uncommon for them to actually own house or land etc. tho this was an older d00d, possibly -- owned something )
asciilifeform: '...с конфискацией имущества' was the verdict formulation.
asciilifeform: and meanwhilemeanwhile, another trotskyitewrecker, flynn, also pleabargained
asciilifeform: meanwhile, trotskyite and buharinite wreckers on trial, https://archive.is/Hc6QT >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kPHNg/?raw=true >> 'A former U.S. National Security Agency employee pleaded guilty on Friday to illegally taking classified information outside the spy agency that an intelligence official said was later stolen from his home computer by Russian hackers' etc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo everything that's not run by usg runs better than anything that's run by usg. you've got a better chance to manage an airplane bombing strike by talking to some obscure black bloc than the dod.
BingoBoingo: In other news it turns out "language exchange" websites of miniscule size feature better user engagement and higher user activity than Okcupid or the other IAC swaps
BingoBoingo: ^ Bring the comments and beatings
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/02/the-boingo-isp-tbi-november-2017-statement/ << Bingo Blog - The Boingo ISP (TBI) November 2017 Statement
ben_vulpes: and in other hn headlines: "five ways to fix statistics" (nature.com) huh fascinating! i hadn't realized that /statistics/ was broken, i was laboring under the impression that it was the /heads/ that were broken.
ben_vulpes: best part is that it only undoes the patch, doesn't re-break macs with root passwords manually set.
lobbes: phf aha nice easter egg with a specific search term in btcbase.org. I'll leave it unmentioned so others may have the joy of stumbling on it :)
mircea_popescu: aaand for amateur cryptanalysts, https://fthmb.tqn.com/POA6cGIggoug8OUSU5AFQr2WAsU=/2073x2625/filters:fill%28auto,1%29/Zimmermann_Telegram_as_Received_by_the_German_Ambassador_to_Mexico_-_NARA_-_302025-5827b8ca3df78c6f6a7c945d.jpg
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other sharps, http://78.media.tumblr.com/20afd2aecb43d68df838503074670c0a/tumblr_n9h5pgBXMd1sj1qcfo1_500.gif
mod6: Ok, I commented out the four restrictions that it complained about then : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FaQpe/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ( prolly i oughta lose the last 2 at least, tasking is already off )
asciilifeform: nm it's in there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: item XI in http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic refers to i suspect an unrenumbered X
mircea_popescu: it conceivably was a bit of personal bitterness over some ancient story about taping people in hotels. or any other thing.
mircea_popescu: maybe it was the ukrs!!1
mircea_popescu: can't say i exactly get it either, but it wasn't teh usians so what exactly is lefty.
asciilifeform: i dun get it, what was the ru aspect
mircea_popescu: the guy's son somehow managed to have teh ICSID tell the romanians to get fucked (they actually had an interpol "arrest warrant" out for the guy)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, if you want another vignette : dan adamescu was this fellow, 2nd richest romanian (excluding mp, of course) in 2013. then the govt took its krysha back, his company magically was now bankrupt, by 2016 he was being sent to jail for supposedly trying to bribe the judgtes in a 1e8 civil case with 20k. early 2017 had died, of septicemia, for which he had been placed in medical coma. it all begun with a knee ope
asciilifeform: they certainly had 'great inca', before columbus sailed.
mircea_popescu: not from legal. which would make the alien anthropologist suspect the russkis have the great inca, not the usskis.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 19:50 asciilifeform: when you push it, the word правильно (CORRECT)
mircea_popescu: the above. "E1337 : i dunno how to evaluate if you're right".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some kind of uci is the only possible solution to "superinformation highway" potholes.
mircea_popescu: (i guess this isn't obvious to anyone but me, but obviously once the item is in chan the very first next extension is "now let it take a list of urls in paste from user")
asciilifeform: but must point out that it does not magick away the problem of rot.
mircea_popescu: yes, large, difficult, etc task. not however avoidable, in the end.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 23:44 phf: well, scratch that, i'm just ranting. once you have the setup, it's a pretty smooth operation i suppose. i just don't want to bother with the whole backing up the internet thing
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745291 << kinda what the whole archives lobbes and others been working on is all about
a111: Logged on 2017-11-30 18:58 asciilifeform: find new and new crops of fresh 'we owe everything we have to the great inca' nobodies ?
mircea_popescu: misoginy turned up to the >9000.
mircea_popescu: and the whole fucking point is SPECIFICALLY so that they can't accomplish anything and get fucked in exactly the way blacks got fucked via obamaing.
mircea_popescu: you know for a fact that in 3-400mn walkers there's at least a dozen or two chicks who could have done it.
asciilifeform: but in usa as mircea_popescu put it 'there COULD have been green beret, but then nope'
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's elder brother's program-su-pdp-clone instructor, was a chick, reportedly
mircea_popescu: in my topgun hs class we had a chick being chem first hand and another being either math or physics 2nd hand, whichever line was thin.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if anyone remembers, BUT! there was a point in earth's history when what chick said was not automatically dumb.
asciilifeform: in '99 the net was still something that 'hm, i'ma turn on modem, dial, sync my newsreader, then it's yer turn, brother' etc
mircea_popescu: pretty much everything, from usenet to "what will the chick you pick up via irc or from a game lan party say".
mircea_popescu: nah, the damage wasn't really done even in 1999.
mircea_popescu: the petri dish had exactly one generation's worth of leak.
mircea_popescu: two major divides : a) post cunt-is-for-fucking late 80s what with the condoms, pills, disco scene end and b) pre internet-is-for-everyone 2005 or so
asciilifeform: the uncrossable divide seems to be pre- vs post- reddit age.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, there's a fundamental divide between people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "basically large phone switchboard with robotic switchmaid" and people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "squee! apple drawing thing!" << In sixth grade computer (Apple II) was introduced to class as drawing thing (turtle graphics)
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a fundamental divide between people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "basically large phone switchboard with robotic switchmaid" and people whose intuitive understanding of computer is "squee! apple drawing thing!"
asciilifeform: many interesting concepts therein.
asciilifeform: the other interesting bit, niklaus wirth ( pascal ) afaik still alive. and even made own machine, chuck-moore-style, and os, 'oberon'
asciilifeform: ( with quite minor, in the big picture, differences )
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the concept of "programming" in a sense other than direct memory write was something i had to deliberately learn against inclination. like mult table, about the same time. "wtf is this bs and why am i writing words"
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 22:24 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615371 << the nutrient alone is not enough to produce maggots. e.g., 'SWAG' archive ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-18#1241627 ) of pascal snippets existed, was first class . 0 maggotry.
asciilifeform: i had the borland pascal
mircea_popescu: phf pascal was huge letdown for me, either didn't have or i didn't know how to get to the direct memory diddle.
mircea_popescu: good soviet types in the book he wants to read.
asciilifeform: even on c64 ( 1980s micro popular in the west ) it was pretty simple. was my 1st comp in usa, and i wrote a cyrillic thing, but useless ( what to read! )
phf: maybe they taught it, but seeing a boolean map really translate into understanding of how you apply dat shit to bit twiddling etc.
mircea_popescu: "the triumph of thrust over fluid flow"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and f4 man luvved his father's crop duster
mircea_popescu: very much a case of "are you trying to learn how to fly the f-14 on the basis of having been a f-4 pilot, or are you trying to learn how to fly the f-14 because you loved f-14 flight sim on crapple as a teen ?"
asciilifeform: ( not speaking of uni, either, but of plain old plebeschool )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think it's because computing class is postodctoral, whereas language class is highschool. so they learn the x:=a a:=b b:=x "trick" way before anyone even explains xor.
mircea_popescu: TomServo i count that like i count microsoft windows offering. it's the anti-item. gia is all about fucking, not all about being a dork.
phf: but that's in the "i just want to" territory, so tough.
phf: well, scratch that, i'm just ranting. once you have the setup, it's a pretty smooth operation i suppose. i just don't want to bother with the whole backing up the internet thing
phf: i believe the only correct solution at this point are terabyte backup drives with everything you ever touch, i suppose that's what asciilifeform's been doing for a while now
ben_vulpes: why would an ancient lisp hacker give two shits re what the kids are doing?
asciilifeform: meanwhile in asciilifeform's spam collector, ' Start live in Germany in only 15 days. In 2 months you will receive the Residence Permits. '
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 17:12 mircea_popescu: and speaking of aids-en : isn't it a pity nobody's yet made a film out of gia carangi's life ? that chick was ACTUALLY a model, in the most proper of senses.
TomServo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726202 << They did actually. 1998 'Gia', with Angelina Jolie, if you count HBO movies.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I sorted out some ada implementation and will post it; atm the struggle is more to figure out the "test vectors" for full sponge because of all this madness
diana_coman: array of bits* there
diana_coman: as I said: my recent headaches on the topic made this absolutely pop out to me
asciilifeform: diana_coman: observe that the one place where we give any shit at all re octets, is the printer, and there we simply shift Byteness*2 times.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a point though. you need someone as doggedly determined as ceausescu to keep the thing afloat. economic blocs are a reality for what, 50 years now ? euro "common market" was not particularily DESIRED.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the trick to endian-agnostic mechanisms is to never byte-address. at all.
diana_coman: "Note that endianness is irrelevant, here and elsewhere in FFA" <- FINALLY! esp given my recent keccak-induced headaches on the topic, I am delighted to read this; will dig deeper into ffa ch1 over the weekend
mircea_popescu: guy was a major... well, like bill gates, or khodorovsky, however you call the faux business men produced by governments. except in ro, so he's talking 1e7 rather than 1e10
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing ro lulz, http://sov.ro/2017/11/21/capitolul-59-imi-veti-plati-4-miliarde-de-euro/ ( http://trilema.com/2010/ticalosul-si-libertatea/ rewriting http://trilema.com/2010/in-opera-sa-ne-masuram/ forgetting, of course, the "i'm just re-writing mp poorly years later" coda)
asciilifeform: for some reason ( and from both threads, oddly ) asciilifeform recalls the classic monkey trap, with the coconut
mircea_popescu: this is how the empire fails, takes local optimums.
mircea_popescu: they wanted smaller fees for a reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from the perspective of "we're trying to survive mp" it is perfectly understandable. miner fees per tx are rapidly growing to a size comparable to the "walmart one item cost", which is what bitpay & all are willy-nilly married to.
asciilifeform: or is idea that you whack'im over the head
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( iirc some variant of this idiocy was in fact present in 0.3 ) << The one they use now did not exist till 0.9
asciilifeform: 'Customers with mistaken payments only receive partial refunds of the BTC they sent because of miner fee costs. One customer of a BitPay merchant recently spent 0.003853 BTC on a payment which was mistakenly underpaid by a small amount. They were only able to receive a refund of 0.002247 BTC. This is not the experience we want bitcoin users to have.' << 'use our gox or Lose It All!111' etc
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, new car theft method : drink a bottle of coca-cola, screw the tap back on, stick it in between wheel and chassis on parked car, wait for owner to get in and try to leave. the bottle will sound, the muppet will get out of the car to see, at which point you can just leave with it.
mircea_popescu: hey, soft forks upon soft forks, why the hell not.
mircea_popescu: ah so the idea basically is to tell the inexistent miner cartel not to mine txns they don't want ?
asciilifeform: 'we recommend that wallets take an additional step and not broadcast payments rejected via the Bitcoin Payment Protocol' didjaknow
asciilifeform: dunno that bitpay et al ever had the intention of making profit.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's better to "sacrifice" self on the noble altar of high socialist ideals than to simply admit that can't make money and can't continue supporting losses.
mircea_popescu: lets get teh popcorns then.
asciilifeform: 'whaddayeamean you don't want ssl in the loop, and put it all through nsa cables, terrorist.'
asciilifeform: 'If you are using the BitPay, Copay, Mycelium, or Electrum wallets for your bitcoin payments, nothing will change. These true bitcoin wallets all already "speak" Payment Protocol. If you are using a non-Payment Protocol wallet or service to pay BitPay invoices, you will need to move your spending bitcoin to a wallet or service which can support Payment Protocol. We strongly recommend that you use a true bitcoin wallet for spending to
asciilifeform: it's a resurrection of circa-2014 embraceandextendism -- 'let's impose prbtronic sslistic payment-via-tcp, and at the same time spam some moar spamola, make blox less breathable'
mircea_popescu: seems unlikely, they;'re marginal as it is.
asciilifeform: the excuse being 'We can also analyze transactions to make sure an adequate bitcoin miner fee is included. If the fee isn't sufficient to allow the transaction to confirm on the bitcoin network on time, BitPay can return a helpful message back to the wallet to let the user know. Mistaken payments will never reach the Bitcoin network.'
asciilifeform: 'When a Payment Protocol wallet interacts with a Payment Protocol URL, it creates an SSL-secured connection to the true owner of the receiving bitcoin address (in this case, BitPay).' etc
asciilifeform: prbism where you gotta tcp to somebody's box to pay him, or something of the kind
asciilifeform: the one where hearbleed was to be merged in, that one.
asciilifeform: but meanwhile, in heathendom, https://archive.is/Oyq47 >> bitpay 'We are now beginning the work to require Payment Protocol wallet payments for all BitPay invoices.' << i had nfi this mikehearnism still lived on, even in zombieform
a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 18:55 asciilifeform: http://p.ocdn.ee/4/i/2015/11/12/tfkyk4ty.t3l.jpg << in other mega-chix
asciilifeform recalls the juice she-prosecutor from old thread...
mircea_popescu: all the rices are shes.
asciilifeform: betcha he'll turn up in miamistan soon then.
mircea_popescu: in other news nobody cares about, usg.state's main asset in romania looks well headed to jail. kovesi (special "anti-corruption prosecutor") lied about meeting various politicians (as part of usg embassy-directed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743878 scandal).
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ << updated. including delicious V<sup>v</sup> itam.
asciilifeform: the 2 things i did not forbid (though wanted to) were recursion (can't... karatsuba) and implicit-loops (can't... array assignments)
asciilifeform: floatingpoint. the 'catching' of exceptions. etc.
asciilifeform: forbids oop, uniturdism, threads and asynchrony of any form, constructs that require complex runtime support, 'unprincipled exceptions' (chiefly c-style type-casts), pointers (yes), and a few others
asciilifeform: what it does is snippy-snippycut large chunks of the language.
asciilifeform: pretty much stock wp, almost exactly as it was in the bush presidency
mircea_popescu: so then why "older comments" link bs
asciilifeform: ohyea ancient lulzpiece , iirc was in the l0gz at some point
phf: also there's a somewhat useful, though non-standard css property "user-select" that lets you select only the code part of the page
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite aware. the 1 src that turned out to be reliable reference, was knuth (i.e. a 1960s work)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will conveniently double as many things. i will add it to the topic link later today.
mircea_popescu: precisely because universities "became open" and "put online" their inept webcasts etc.
mod6: I don't have an ada at my disposal atm. So will do an entire test of the thing tonight and post results as I have them (probably on my site).
mircea_popescu: you are aware there exists no usable "learn to compute" item ANYWHERE ?
mod6: I read the entire thing so far, and it looks great. I have droped the vpatch and sig into my V and pressed it out, which also worked great.
mircea_popescu: nobody ever has anything from the beginning.
asciilifeform: neato. possibly only works if you had it going from the beginning ? ( or not. i'll check it out )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 21:27 mircea_popescu: i looked at thousands of once-there, now deceased sites. pretty depressing as an incidental, facebook made people measurably dumber.
mod6: asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 -- take a look at the last comment at the bottom. apparently on may 10th of this year.
asciilifeform: ( and i have hardlinks everywhere, not only in own www, which'd be fixable, but all over heathendom )
mircea_popescu: and in other wowz, alf's 2010 material is pretty fucking epic too! http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132 specifically.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745104 << my heathen one also has'em, but by the time i found out, it was too late, there is no built-in have-it-both-ways
mircea_popescu: i looked at thousands of once-there, now deceased sites. pretty depressing as an incidental, facebook made people measurably dumber.
mod6: yup, will leave the same comment on yours, Sir. Thanks.
mod6: If you to gentlemen would rather not update your blogs, please let me know and I'll post a comment at the bottom of each.
mod6: asciilifeform: you may want to update the link to my V in this blog post (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545) as it's old. This is the latest (from the foundation site): http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz (and corresponding sig file): http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz.mod6.sig
mod6: ben_vulpes: you may want to update the link to my V in this blog post (http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system) as it's old. This is the latest: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-March/000260.html
mircea_popescu: i don't think the previous runaround was enough punishment for his sins.
mircea_popescu: phf there is that.
phf: well, it's also only proper for a long running lisp system to have a *cocks-and-balls* global variable somewhere that subtly affects the behavior
shinohai: I feel happy to be a part of such a grand institution that goes out of the way to be so all-inclusive in the logs.
phf: mod6: i've added the feature you requested
mircea_popescu: i guess there should be a product COKCS
mod6: where are the balls?
mircea_popescu: alf's browser (emacs) includes live-browsing extension, sends 4k px wide 100fps film of the page to his tape ticker.
phf: i can do other useful features, like
phf: mircea_popescu: nope, it's a styling bug, which needs to be fixed, but i've been having hard time with it last time i tackled it (but i don't remember what was the issue, something related to tables and <pre>s)
mircea_popescu: in other news, this footlong plastic calzador i vbought at flexi (local shoe store) is one hell of a buttpaddle.
asciilifeform: in the next chapter i will link to this.
asciilifeform: then a-ok
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pantsuit << phf's spiffy histogram rendering the birth of a notion.
mircea_popescu: trinque while at it, can there be an acct history to check on this side ? or what's iyo the ideal approach here
phf: colorizer is missing ada support, so i'm slowly hacking in the highlighter http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/ffademo/ffa_io.adb comments and strings so far. i'm going to add keywords now and then leave it be
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: prepping for travel, will probably review on the plane
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
phf: i've been following the log
phf: asciilifeform: si, also i'll look for the ada source, pretty sure i have it
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ( gorby often 'меченый' in folk parlance , from the birthmark )
asciilifeform: but no, not fan of 'the marked man'
mircea_popescu: well yes. i took narrowly missing the 90s to mean he lived last days during khruschev's tenure
asciilifeform: not the least bit '90s
mircea_popescu: you recall, guy was at the un, took shoe off banged table.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, diana_coman , trinque , ben_vulpes , et al : lemme know if you were able to follow the ffa tutorial ch1. <+asciilifeform> and got the expected result. << will take a look for sure.
mircea_popescu: (i find it amusing how all the later day soviet saints have some shoe reference readily accessible to be retrieved by)
mircea_popescu: kinda not so enamoured with the shoemeister ?
asciilifeform: 'I do believe it's better this way. She was bitterly sad every day of the last years' reminds asciilifeform of his (younger) grandfather, who narrowly missed the '90s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only because 'religious precept' and nobody even entertains the idea of a serious attack.
mircea_popescu: moreover, if you took a year's worth of court practice of your choice, listed all the inferences made in a sort of mega-AST and then sorted this list by tenuousness measured how you will, the fingerprint construct wouldn't make any sort of top.
asciilifeform: and got the expected result.
asciilifeform: mod6, diana_coman , trinque , ben_vulpes , et al : lemme know if you were able to follow the ffa tutorial ch1.
mircea_popescu: there is no manner available currently of runing physical-space law&order without the fingerprint construct.
mats: admitting to the worthlessness of fingerprints would result in twenty year judicial backlog of reviews
mircea_popescu: mats hey, usg's been trying to shitcan the whole it security thing since day one.
a111: Logged on 2014-10-19 18:39 asciilifeform: my hypothesis re: biometrics is, imho, the only one proposed so far that has explanatory power for the fact that idiotically lame, e.g., fingerprint readers, nevertheless are happily deployed en masse by usg
mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, i just managed to link TWO DOZEN trilema articles from this latest one. i think that takes the cake.
mircea_popescu was even gonna reply to his reply, then noticed the google thing and recalled why he hasn't been commenting, something /me was vaguely wondering about
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation's STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000278.html
BingoBoingo: Reading S.MG statements and S.NSA statements to see how the problem of spending has been handled in past republican ventures
asciilifeform: in other lulz, ch.1 of ffa article series just about done.
asciilifeform: iirc there was a trilema re whores , where was a line 'when vastly more items than slots, gotta pick ~somehow~'
asciilifeform: nao re cavities, i do not specifically know the su air corps logic. possibly bad teeth in a boy were considered a mark of innate intractability to discipline; possibly some more basic, orcish 'choosing two potatoes, pick the symmetric and unblemished' formula.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about cavities ; but training commander mp would sack pilots who fail to synchronize bowel movements to "half hour before flight duty" within the first month.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 18:28 asciilifeform: gymnasts may not be perfect example. when you have a role where the training per se is costly, you're stuck picking. e.g., pilots; i recently read a quite interesting autobio, 'Обречены на подвиг' ('condemned to heroism', roughly) by su flying d00d / instructor / colonel. described how children having any physical imperfection, even tooth cavity, were mercilessly rejected from flight academy even if they passed all of
asciilifeform: btw folx who enjoy the subj like, will also enjoy http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579985 ( i have nfi if translated into anything )
asciilifeform: 'Admiral’s Doorbell. The yellow button in an F/A-18 cockpit that jettisons all the external stores in an emergency. If you hit it, you’ll be “ringing the admiral's doorbell” to explain why.'
mircea_popescu: at the time enemy is happy his propeller isn't cast in concrete, you can put up with tasting the fuel.
asciilifeform: not as if the 'gone by' didn't come with a lengthy list of 'don't do', and various arcana ( e.g. required manual fiddling with fuel mixture, radiator cowling, etc )
mircea_popescu: i can see the point re "birds gone by". by the time your fighter jet comes with "and don't turn left lest its jew nose cuts off engine compressor" its like... WHO DID THIS IN RAILS!
asciilifeform: 'Tits Machine. A good, righteous airplane. Current airplanes need not apply, this is a nostalgic term referring to birds gone by. By all accounts the F-8 Crusader was a tits machine.'
asciilifeform: ( tru, he doesn't have to program in 'rails'. but then again wwwist dun have to piss into a tube. )
asciilifeform: profession had a happy childhood and youth and that's more than many other professions get.
mircea_popescu: even in the 90 ie 91, i don't expect a majority of nubile collegiate sluts perceived AS AN OBLIGATION the invitation to whore out for the airmen.
asciilifeform: it's dead as the dodo today tho.
mircea_popescu: most of this is attempted-preservation of the perceived grandeur.
asciilifeform: ( d00d is the singlehanded author of just about all of the dubious/objectionable crapola therein )
asciilifeform: toobad it's unavailable afaik anywhere on the net now.
asciilifeform: the pre-esr 'jargonfile' was not halfbad
mircea_popescu: i can understand why the people that invented swinging'd be a little bit cooler than the people that invented tech support.
mircea_popescu: https://www.tailhook.net/AVSLANG.htm << better list than the hacker lexicon, in purely lexical terms, and an evident source of the pencildick's envious, unreferenced cultural appropriation.
mircea_popescu: in other when-did-america-die 1990s memorabilia : https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/navy/tailhook/favors.html
mircea_popescu: there's no shortage of lulz.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-30 22:12 mircea_popescu: aaand in other ancient lulz, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1960821.0
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744885 << hey mircea_popescu , didja know!, that the proof ain't proofyenuff, 'has he signed addresses that prove he is that wealthy? how do we know for a fact?', i had nfi !
asciilifeform: though 'I'm also active in the San Francisco Bay Area Less Wrong community'...
asciilifeform: lol did i just narrowly miss the next laddel ??
mircea_popescu: not to mention various pieces of trilema refiction awaiting their literary criticists.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aye, on a heathen dnsulated thing
mquander: i haven't used deedbot, so no, not yet, i will go do it once i clearly understand the mechanism
mircea_popescu: it's not practical to run independents in nato reich. they're all government agencies.
asciilifeform: ( in other lulz, 'New top story on Hacker News: The Peculiarly Quiet Decline and Fall of the KVM ' -- twatter )
mircea_popescu: "heineken" flavoured sprite is just as toxic, of course, but because the angloworld swallows so much soda anyway, the effects are not specifically detectable.
mircea_popescu: there's a coupla "competitive" alt-flavoured soda producers (they call the swill beer for some reason), as a direct result of distilled spirits available in the anglo world beiong so fucking toxic
asciilifeform: would be surprising if ~all of usa rotgut wasn't made together at some equiv of 'unilever' yea
mircea_popescu: same vat powers the "beefeather" gin as the "Smirnoff" vodka as the "walker" whisky as the everything else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the continuator of gangster era alcohol production methids. sells of all the 40% abv crap distinctly labelled but singuarily produced.
ben_vulpes: grainbooze makes for nasty distillation byproducts? or what is the difference between fruit and grain spirits that makes for this difference in hangover quality
mircea_popescu: hey, alcohol intake will deplete water and various metabolytes in the liver, that's how that goes.
mircea_popescu: well, according to some idiots somewhere there exists such a thing as african literature
asciilifeform: i wasn't aware that the matter was ever settled .
mircea_popescu: the improper wood-and-rags ooze will give you headaches, blurred vision, sickness, etcetera etcetera.
mircea_popescu: proper alcohol (which includes no grains as well as nothing ever made by any english speaker anywhere) gives you a very pleasant, mellow morning after. a fine reason to drink is not even the drunkedness but THE "HANGOVER".
mircea_popescu: then you can proceed to compare the unbeatable ro plumb distillate / fine old french wines etc with the tequilla/bisulphited california wine/random swill.
asciilifeform: ask the marijuanists, for instance, re 'strains', or effect of eating vs smoke etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-30 03:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744530 << note that the alcohol discussion is re taste. they all get you drunk. (arguably not the same drunk, i guess, but anyway)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744625 << this is an interesting item, and worth picking up briefly again -- there's 2 aspects : a) kinetics b) active-after-all 'inactive' ingredients
mircea_popescu: back when usg could actually repel three dozen enemy aircraft, even libya had them.
asciilifeform: that's the other side of the medal aha. i was speaking of what this move pays for -- the added biomass.
mircea_popescu: basically, inflaiton. "this is the new currency, worth 1/10 what it was buy you deem it as acceptable substitute"
asciilifeform: find new and new crops of fresh 'we owe everything we have to the great inca' nobodies ?
asciilifeform: 'By their accounts, Cmdr. Tom Sobiek, the commanding officer, convened instructors who had expressed concerns about the women's flying. Sobiek allegedly said that "the women are going to graduate regardless of how they performed." One officer summarized Sobiek as saying, "you guys don't understand, this is bigger than all of us, these women are going to graduate no matter what."' << prettygreat.
asciilifeform: in other curios, http://trilema.com/2017/color-revolutions-green-or-today-in-usg-corruption-careerism-cronyism-and-malfeasance-in-the-special-warfare-center/#comment-123715
asciilifeform: at some point i'ma plunder mpwp for useful patches again ( i lost steam when discovered that the spam filtrator cannot be made to work on my hoster )
asciilifeform: ipnoje etc. will (by default, there's a toggle) emit'em.
asciilifeform: they're traditionally associated with crapple.
asciilifeform: incidentally none of the 4 versions of winblowz i have at the ready, produce 'windows quotes'...