mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very honestly dun see the difference (talking here of ancient opera, not hte ipadization)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 21:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746771 << as opposed to what exactly "open" turd out there ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1746024 ? or what precisely are we comparing to here. openbios ? name the standard "open".
irene_yvonne: i'm setting up electrum wallet as we speak, give me a few minutes and i'll give you the address
mircea_popescu: o both of them, scroll trick.
mircea_popescu: irene_yvonne quite ok. i take it this;d be irene then ?
mircea_popescu: totally forgot about the french twins. how's it going you two ?
a111: Logged on 2016-01-10 16:52 asciilifeform: 'when i am gone, they will strangle the lot of you like kittens'
a111: Logged on 2015-04-07 00:10 mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
mircea_popescu: pfff. it's in there.
asciilifeform: evidently 'riyadh prince' in fact turned out to be the item presupposed in the linked orlol : merely a version of american office plankton but with 5 or 6 additional zeroes after the decimal point
mircea_popescu: if they had enough fucking sense to a) rocket field and b) bitcoin, there'd have been no hotel.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 19:33 asciilifeform: 'if some government decides that Bitcoin is not its friend, it can simply ask you, nicely at first, to relinquish your cyberwallet to it. I doubt that too many of the Saudi princes that were recently disencumbered of much of their net worth while being tortured by Prince Mohammed bin Salman at the Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh ended up playing coy '
asciilifeform: or however long they expect to live.
asciilifeform: ~nobody actually walks around believing , literally, in 'thousand year reich'. most of the believers, on examination, believe in roughly a 30 yr reich
mircea_popescu: brick has the speed ^ 4 problem.
mircea_popescu: but the baked in assumption is that big ape stays rational ~forever~, and this still doesn't sum up to anything good for it.
asciilifeform: ( if thrown hard enuff -- for potentially rather long time )
asciilifeform: well-thrown brick can fly in the face of gravity for a while.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the least outrageous formulation iirc was something like 'big ape can stay irrational for longer than smart apes can stay solvent' or how it went.
mircea_popescu: which... is a theory.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform words are "no matter how clever, because they use far less technical means"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not beyuond the realm of the plausible that i fuck some chick and she delivers 3kgs of solid gold 9 months later, by the same measure of realms.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think orlol's argument casts us as the zulu, and usg as the d00dz with the maxim
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 19:33 asciilifeform: representative sample, 'bloodsucking bankers and governments are unlikely to be defeated by an algorithm, no matter how clever, because they use far less technical means to enforce their interests: security agencies, criminal investigators and prosecutors, tax auditors, courts and prisons'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746825 << very fucking lulzy. "zulus are unlikely to be mowed down by machine gun, no matter rate of fire, because THEY ARE REAL MEN"
asciilifeform: but it isn't beyond the realm of the plausible that the sc4mz0r actually got to take home 100k usd, say.
mircea_popescu: actually... i don't think. i... know! http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122811
mircea_popescu: i think ~every businessman in luxor center for businessmen made moar than all my creations summed together also.
asciilifeform: ( earned for the peddler, that is )
asciilifeform: and yet -- supposing the numbers have any relation to reality -- it earned moar than all of asciilifeform's creations summed together.
mircea_popescu: lulzy : between feb 14 and may 15 the price dropped 90%.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is exactly industry tho -- lolcats delivered on-spec, timely , and exactly as the purchasers ordered !111
ben_vulpes: question then arises, how do you know from cunt alone whether to fuck a la brunette or redhead
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 18:54 asciilifeform: this, i suppose, is the 'industry' in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746553
asciilifeform: as observed in the end of ch.1.
mircea_popescu: if your problem is that you want fuck(brunette) and fuck(redhead) to be pretty much the same thing, how about calling it fuck_brunette() and fuck_redhead() instead.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not really sure. iirc i only had it in 1 place, (not yet introduced in tutorial) , where the 'add' has an incarnation that accepts a single WBool to add instead of a whole fz
asciilifeform: i picked the variant where there are 3 variants of each shifter ( not counting the secret-shift , made per apeloyee's method )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, i had no idea what the argument PRO overloading was.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 18:08 asciilifeform: diana_coman: you do have a point , though, an ffa that is an ideal mathematical description of every relevant bound, would look slightly different from the ffa i actually have, that has to actually run on idjit cmachine iron in something like real time.
asciilifeform: this is sadly an instance of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745589 , apeloyee : if i can't compactly mark the carry-in and/or carry-out as unreferenced , the compiler shits forth unusably slow bin.
asciilifeform: they are not yet reintroduced.
asciilifeform: 'O' stood for 'outputoverflow'. which in turn was exactly same as FZ_Shift_Left_I , which permitted only ~input~ of overflow; which in turn was otherwise identical to FZ_ShiftLeft, which permitted neither.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 18:27 trinque: what great difference does it make whether the notation spaces the words or not
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 18:13 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/ogLAM << lulgem from same rag as ben_vulpes's link, 'People keep finding hidden cameras in their Airbnbs'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746785 << i don't get what the fuck ELSE did they imagine it's for ? normal people taking tramps in for a fuck&suck say so. that they don't say so just means they're WEIRD, it doesn't mean "it ain't gonna occur". a tramp's a tramp, a thing, like a hammer, with a proper usage implicit. aaanyway.
asciilifeform: and the savings of text 'kilogrammage' -- not worth it.
apeloyee: there was in the old pastes, for example, one procedure FZ_ShiftLeft_O taking 5 arguments, how did you choose thier order?
asciilifeform: i've been thinking about abolishing function overloading in ffa. ( there is apparently even a pragma for cementing it )
asciilifeform: apeloyee: where then is problem
asciilifeform: carry of X + Y or borrow of X - Y depends on the carry-out of a + b + carry_in , or a - b - borrow_in, respectively.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: let's work the whole thing here
asciilifeform: ( declared warmism permanently cemented orlov into this company , as typical clitler voter, the other major warmist demographic, tends not to read collapse bl0gz )
apeloyee: i also need to understand/fit in head/convince myself of the line re "extends to any N bit register". << schoolbook addition method shows that the MSB and carry-out depend only on MSB of operands and the carry-in to the most significant place; the carry-in can be derived from result's MSB and the summand's (as their sum modulo 2, aka xor), thus the register width doesn't matter
asciilifeform: the 'grandmothers sew gold coin into underwear' touch is a bone thrown to his current 'anarchoprimitivist'-flavour-of-dumb readership
mircea_popescu: yeah, so much nonsense available to choose from, why dress from the 2013 dumb store.
asciilifeform: ( even the typical ru chitchatosphere plankton has advanced from 2013 'sooner or later gas for all' to a 2014 state of the art 'the lizards use btc themselves, hence slow gas' or even a 2015 'lolcatcoin-of-the-future will sink errything as it tanks' etc
mircea_popescu: in this bitcoinarry bit ross, mr levine orlov doesn't get the GOOD leads.
mircea_popescu: eh, still rehashing the http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ moldbug talking points ? what is he, 3rd hand pinoy, they only let him have the dead leads ?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, somewhat surprisingly orlov posted asciilifeform's comment , http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2017/12/cryptomania.html?showComment=1512503962841#c7729874167721735094
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 21:32 apeloyee: I'm still curious what gcd there will be. I admit defeat regarding the binary GCD I posted earlier - after trying to make an extended GCD out of it, it ballooned to 100+ LOC, and it doesn't work. Meaning it doesn't fit in head... (BTW the orginal code snipped I posted has a mux which always picks wrong input)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 21:18 apeloyee: I'd like to ask asciilifeform to document the parameter ordering convention in ffa. chapter 1 is straightforward, but the various shifts posted earlier seemed to have their parameters in order which I don't understand.
irene_yvonne: is there any extra credit for one pic with two girls? we also have a cute bitcoin poster
mircea_popescu: here's a new atlanta city bylaw : if your name is "kwanza" you go in the pens with the other barn animals.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 18:08 asciilifeform: '"There's no way on earth that the city that raised Dr. King … is going to allow ourselves to go backwards," said City Councilman Kwanza Hall.'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746781 << motherfucker. allowing idiots by the name kwanza indoors is ALREADY THE PROBLEM.
apeloyee: I'm still curious what gcd there will be. I admit defeat regarding the binary GCD I posted earlier - after trying to make an extended GCD out of it, it ballooned to 100+ LOC, and it doesn't work. Meaning it doesn't fit in head... (BTW the orginal code snipped I posted has a mux which always picks wrong input)
ben_vulpes: i also need to understand/fit in head/convince myself of the line re "extends to any N bit register".
ben_vulpes: working out the full adder; i did verify a bunch of the proof table, and then figured that since i have such a tenuous grasp on the subject matter i should do everything asciilifeform recommended.
ben_vulpes: i will admit to still attempting to fit in head the deduction of carry and borrow algo
ben_vulpes: apeloyee: can also reference them by name in ada; i personally hate positional args
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 23:41 asciilifeform: re gcc, recall also that it's been put on the usg hitlist, they would like to lead it to a level of dysfunction that will have naive folx welcoming its shooting behind the shed and replacement with Officially blessed clang-llvm
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 17:39 asciilifeform: for bonus lulz ( was this intentional, mircea_popescu ? ) the example proggy, 'opera', is a closed turd
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746771 << as opposed to what exactly "open" turd out there ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1746024 ? or what precisely are we comparing to here. openbios ? name the standard "open".
apeloyee: I'd like to ask asciilifeform to document the parameter ordering convention in ffa. chapter 1 is straightforward, but the various shifts posted earlier seemed to have their parameters in order which I don't understand.
mircea_popescu: the caption reads "your favourite slut is back", if that helps anything.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 17:12 asciilifeform: 'Kobi Snitz ... Early in his undergraduate studies in the early 1990's, Kobi has been introduced to the fundamental questions of computer science. These range from questions of computability and the future of computing to questions about computers and society'
asciilifeform: even managed to squeeze in the usual spiel re 'physical utility of gold'
asciilifeform: 'TheTeddyboy46 said... Virtual Kittens? Now I know Cryptocurrencies are a Scam.' << didjaknow.
asciilifeform: apparently no concentration camps until 12000.00 , is the orlolidea.
asciilifeform: also includes obligatory discussion of shitcoin-of-the-day ( in orlol's case, 'cryptokitties' ) as if they were bitcoin.
asciilifeform: lopers would then have to bring their architecture into compliance or risk prosecution for noncompliance. '
asciilifeform: and for the gold medal, 'Worse yet, if a government decides that Bitcoin is its friend, it can ask, nicely at first, that all Bitcoin transactions be disclosed to it in a timely manner, complete with the tax ID of the party at each end of every transaction. This would be a clever way for a government to shift to using digital cash without having to pay for any of it. All it would have to do is order “compliance”; Bitcoin’s deve
asciilifeform: 'if some government decides that Bitcoin is not its friend, it can simply ask you, nicely at first, to relinquish your cyberwallet to it. I doubt that too many of the Saudi princes that were recently disencumbered of much of their net worth while being tortured by Prince Mohammed bin Salman at the Ritz-Carlton in Riyadh ended up playing coy '
asciilifeform: 'has become a magnet for drug dealers, narcotraffickers, human traffickers, hackers/extortionists and other bad actors. If you use Bitcoin, you automatically end up on the radar of those who hunt for them'
asciilifeform: representative sample, 'bloodsucking bankers and governments are unlikely to be defeated by an algorithm, no matter how clever, because they use far less technical means to enforce their interests: security agencies, criminal investigators and prosecutors, tax auditors, courts and prisons'
asciilifeform: or perhaps moar fairly, rip of http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/04/on-monetary-restandardization.html , http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/01/how-bitcoin-dies.html , and one other yarvin that i've misplaced
asciilifeform: ( almost total rip off http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 , with 'shit bolted on the side' )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 10:31 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://lurkmore.to/ is now dead ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 14:28 mircea_popescu: but the man who decides to pursue pure research and is annoyed that industry meanwhile makes money is in a very strange mental space.
asciilifeform: 'At the time of writing, the median, or mid-range, price of a CryptoKitty is approximately $23.06 (£17.19), according to Crypto Kitty Sales. The game's top cat brought in $117,712.12 (£87,686.11) when it sold on Saturday, 2 December.'
ben_vulpes: > these crytpo-collectibles are also gender-fluid, able to play the role of either the "dame" or the "sire" when bred
ben_vulpes: charmingbutunsavvysomedaybrotherinlaw
trinque should be better about making a point rather than implying one
asciilifeform: right, but to put it there costs slightly more.
trinque: if the tree were present it wouldn't be written in a line ltr, not that I argue against the usefulness of being able to synthesize new words.
ben_vulpes: ah haha nono, i'd have strung together a LeverforholdingElevatorTrimAdjustmentMechanisminplacifier together in that case
ben_vulpes: oh did the sarcasm not come through?
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/ogLAM << lulgem from same rag as ben_vulpes's link, 'People keep finding hidden cameras in their Airbnbs'
asciilifeform: '"There's no way on earth that the city that raised Dr. King … is going to allow ourselves to go backwards," said City Councilman Kwanza Hall.'
asciilifeform: 'The candidates in Tuesday's runoff election for the city's next mayor are both women, both city council members, and both tout support for progressive policies. One is black, the other is white.' << lol so paint the unpainted one, problemsolved!1111!!
ben_vulpes: in other racewarz: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/ugly-election-between-white-black-candidates-atlanta-mayor-n826236
asciilifeform: ( lessee if i properly ate & shat, 'i do not consider myself a programmer, for i have another craft. let's say i am an amateur programmer. and yet though i am an amateur, i find myself having written tens of thou. of loc in this-here life. and at least a min of 10k loc for web. but wanna hear sumthing ? never have i created a security hole in any. never. do you suppose i simply had good luck ? possibly luck. or possibly i wrote the c
asciilifeform: quoting mircea_popescu's comment for the permal0gz : 'Eu nu ma consider un programator, ca am alta meserie. Sa zicem ca sunt un programator amator. Dar chiar si asa, programator amator cum ma gasesc tot am scris citeva zeci de mii de linii de cod in viata asta. Din care minim zece mii pentru web. Vrei sa-ti spun o chestie ? N-am avut niciodata in nici un caz nicicind gauri de securitate in ele. Niciodata. Noa de ce crezi tu ? Am avut
asciilifeform: ( and since replaced with a ~different~ closed turd, when they threw out the hand-asm or what was it that norwegian ministry of telecom wrote, and replaced with crapple's engine )
asciilifeform: for bonus lulz ( was this intentional, mircea_popescu ? ) the example proggy, 'opera', is a closed turd
asciilifeform: ( may be redundant sentence, it isn't as if they had any other use for which to steal )
asciilifeform: and apparently these particular derps read the l0gz every fucking day, in search of what to steal and what to boeck over.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:21 asciilifeform: in other noose, remember the 'riseup' derpatron? the one with the, what, dozen phuctur pops ? well, https://archive.is/PEVaX
asciilifeform: *the nuremberg
asciilifeform: this is prolly more than enuff material for the nurembers, i'ma stop here.
asciilifeform: 'The Calyx Institute is registered and files an annual report with the Charities Bureau in the office of the New York State Attorney General'
asciilifeform: and ahahahaha they have a... product !! with membership in their bitcoinfoun^H^H^H^H^H^H^ation, https://www.calyxinstitute.org/membership , you get... a magic gsm modem that logsyerpack^H^H^HH^H^Hprotectsyerpriva^H^H^H^whatever.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/qbVyU << they have an artful cheat that pretends page simply never existed when archive.is reads it.
asciilifeform: i had nfi there had been such a box.
asciilifeform: holy fuq the sheer number of boecks in one box.
asciilifeform: and 'Ian Clarke is the founder and coordinator of the Freenet Project...' << single-handed judas goat and jailer of who knows how many idjits who thought they were 'communicating seekoorely'
asciilifeform: https://www.calyxinstitute.org/about/advisory_panel << even moar 'win', includes for instance a 'Brian Snow joined the National Security Agency in 1971 where he became a cryptologic designer and security systems architect. Brian spent his first 20 years at NSA doing and directing research that developed cryptographic components and secure systems. ...'
asciilifeform: 'Carey Shenkman is an attorney specializing in human rights ... Yugoslav International Tribunal ... graduated from New York University School of Law, where he served as an editor of the NYU Law Review' ahahahahahaha
asciilifeform: 'Micah Anderson is the co-founder of RiseUp Networks and has been a Unix system administrator for more than a decade. Micah is also a tech activist working on free software, media activism and corralling servers to create grassroots democratic...'
asciilifeform: 'Kobi Snitz ... Early in his undergraduate studies in the early 1990's, Kobi has been introduced to the fundamental questions of computer science. These range from questions of computability and the future of computing to questions about computers and society'
asciilifeform: ' In 2010, after winning a partial release from the gag order, Nick founded The Calyx Institute – a non-profit organization whose goal is to reform the Telecommunications industry with regard to privacy and freedom of expression. Nick has spoken in the Rayburn House Office Building in Washington DC before the 2010 Congressional class, at the Personal Democracy Forum'
asciilifeform: i'd naively imagine theyd've retired and 'unhappened' the name 'riseup' after where it appears in thel0gz.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of quislings ( found via asciilifeform's bl0g referlog, no less ) -- https://www.calyxinstitute.org/about/board << rogue's gallery of tor people, and even... 'riseup'
mircea_popescu: truth CON. see what i did there ? :D
mircea_popescu: "Trigger Warning : you are now venturing into the dangerous waters of publications that do not extend the Clinton-Won-2016-election fanfic." Get me outta here!!!
mircea_popescu: i hope it's in the shape of a T overimposed over a W. because obviously.
mircea_popescu: the sheer idiocy.
shinohai: http://archive.is/W1aIA "the Independent Press Standards Organisation (Ipso) has launched a logo to reassure readers that they are being protected from fake news."
ben_vulpes: apparently impossible to know you wasted your life in the wrong armpit of the world until you visit five others, disabuse self of "everything is equivalently terrible"
asciilifeform: i dun see any confusion tho. in fact is why asciilifeform took exception : he is not the least insensitive to pain, but chained to this-here mountain side, and not in a position to avoid the eagle.
mircea_popescu: which is how it got to (metaphorically) denote superlative laziness : because "so lazy not even hunger will stir", as per that "hung, father, hung".
mircea_popescu: and how do you communicate your compassion to the bereaved ?
asciilifeform: 1 of the 'seven sins' neh
mircea_popescu: incidentally, discussion in teh very harem suggests to me that perhaps the word's misunderstood.
asciilifeform: seems to be an item that 'feels magic' to the semiliterate folk
asciilifeform: xor is really same thing as add but without the carries
a111: 7 results for "the confusion of ideas such a question", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=the%20confusion%20of%20ideas%20such%20a%20question
asciilifeform: !#s the confusion of ideas such a question
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of the mysterious and unexplained, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18396
asciilifeform: then there was another episode, a few yrs ago, with automatic reversing of winblowz exes. that time several friends went broke ~with~ asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: ( again i have nfi whether because-idiot, or because-socialisms, or some combo of both. )
asciilifeform: there was a thread, where asciilifeform described how more than once he took a major open problem, and actually solved, and as result went broke.
mircea_popescu: the importance of well chosen women, huh.
mircea_popescu: trinque part of the problem is that fellow is ~hurt puppy, has a lot of misadventurous baggage / unfortunate experience.
trinque: so heathen.incorporate and start consulting or something for 3x rate
asciilifeform: now that i think about it, if i were mircea_popescu , ffa would have gone more than simply twice as fast, it takes considerable time to reload the problem into head , after a long dive into the saecular sewers
mircea_popescu: well, the eulora cripto lib died when i said, iirc last month board meeting\
mircea_popescu: for to have delivered the items whose failure deliver you bemoan today.
asciilifeform: entirely possibly enough to get to same place in half the time.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 14:42 mircea_popescu: or i guess is it the idea that "even had i worked full time, it'd still not have been quite enough" ?
mircea_popescu: that opens a legitimate inquiry of, well, what didja do with the time.
trinque: can decide the proportion each day
mircea_popescu: it only becomes a problem when the argument presented is "i didn't have the time to do x"
trinque: can fuck whores and ladies with the same cock
asciilifeform: iirc trinque also works in the saeculum.
trinque: to date, deedbot made like 0.0002, and so what? it'll make more in the future, and it'll buy more with what it made idem
asciilifeform: trinque: concretize for the thread plox ?
trinque: teh splittings. what of splitting time between near-term unprofitable long bets on teh republic and near-term profitable ways to pay the bills.
asciilifeform: the microscopies, etc are paid for with the fiatola that asciilifeform 'cheated' the beast out of by rejecting mortgagism, 401kism, etc.
asciilifeform: i ~would~ starve under bridge if didn't work in the saeculum
mircea_popescu: with class 1 the problem is that you claim bitcoin is not worth money ; with class 2 that you claim to be poor but then engage in the sort of shopping upper-middle class tech people do.
asciilifeform: ( ftr the latter estimate turned up to be undershot, discussed in later thread )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where's the contradiction ?
mircea_popescu: class 1 is actually quoted above, "or is it out and out, deliberately learned helplessness in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744043 (as recurrent throughout logs) ?" ; class 2 is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736269 and so forth.
asciilifeform: there's a time parameter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're cutting bits and pieces of a thing then hurting self with them as a proof the item was dangerous. item wasn't dangerous as it was, you cut it up into harmful pieces deliberately!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 14:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so for my own curiosity : considering the choice to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655064 (i recall a more recent mention but search isn't yielding) has cost you over the past YEAR the equivalent of what appears like 118`337 here + whatever the non-delivery of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 would have amounted to (iirc no amt was ever set down ?), are you putting this down to a case of bad managem
trinque: went very well, thanks! went out to austin with ben_vulpes and another fellow, had a fine time.
asciilifeform: and in general i dun expect any of it to be paid for, there is no tradition of any such thing. but i do have the possibly naive expectation of the work not to be shat on.
asciilifeform: i dun have any notion that ' mircea_popescu oughta pay for the mpi ' , it was made without any such agreement. ditto the serpent archaeology etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 15:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, re the "and then in the end to take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway" portion of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746522 : that discussion was mid and then late 2016 ; on dec 2017 i had to direct s.mg tech to CREATE rather than simply use a cripto lib. for this reason i don't wish to pay nsa anything -- it didn't do the work i wanted it to do. it's true that it released a "intangibles and goodwill" sort of
mircea_popescu: both the "for honor" and "for money" circuits are functional and actually functioning. needn't be confused randomly.
mircea_popescu: item, which is generically useful, and in exchange it gets paid with the exact sort of intangibles and goodwill these sorts of intellectual leadership moves warrant and generally attract -- for example by s.mg being married to 100% of its product line to date as a deliberate move ; and being very inclined to consider its isp offering when that comes online (is it coming online btw ?) and such things.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 14:17 asciilifeform: as for asciilifeform , he would actually prefer if mircea_popescu shot straight and said 'hell no i won't pay for no stinkin' software', rather than the peculiar ritual of having a contest, then to proclaim the submitters as a whole 'self-indulgent indolent' and then in the end to take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the "and then in the end to take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway" portion of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746522 : that discussion was mid and then late 2016 ; on dec 2017 i had to direct s.mg tech to CREATE rather than simply use a cripto lib. for this reason i don't wish to pay nsa anything -- it didn't do the work i wanted it to do. it's true that it released a "intangibles and goodwill" sort of
mircea_popescu: i'm guessing the question's not yet ripe for addressing.
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform is not rich, does not have the option to 'not waste time in fiatland'.
asciilifeform: and this answer is, asciilifeform's landlord doesn't take payment in s.nsa ownership shares, only in old-fashioned dubloons. and they're due every single month.
asciilifeform: i could attempt to answer what i ~think~ is the question
asciilifeform: the question
mircea_popescu: or i guess is it the idea that "even had i worked full time, it'd still not have been quite enough" ?
mircea_popescu: ent of your own time on your part (ie, wasted it in fiatlands instead of using it productively in the republic) ? or is it a case of on the contrary, judicious use of your time ("the republic'd have made me rich but empire made me richer still") ? or is it out and out, deliberately learned helplessness in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744043 (as recurrent throughout logs) ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 22:14 mircea_popescu: course since the nsa consulting work for minigame is going to produce ada rsa, it might be an idea to have an ~ada~ tmsr crypto lib.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so for my own curiosity : considering the choice to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-12#1655064 (i recall a more recent mention but search isn't yielding) has cost you over the past YEAR the equivalent of what appears like 118`337 here + whatever the non-delivery of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 would have amounted to (iirc no amt was ever set down ?), are you putting this down to a case of bad managem
mircea_popescu: but the man who decides to pursue pure research and is annoyed that industry meanwhile makes money is in a very strange mental space.
asciilifeform: the choice of it or drink.
mircea_popescu: when you think "hey, ima do the right thing, spend two years making ffa" you make some decisions. they're fine and good, inasmuch as they're yours. but to be decisions, they're the choice of something over something else.
mircea_popescu: but this outlook is a luxury, the prime luxury of life, in fact
asciilifeform: or could be >0, depending on whether e.g. having trb around, is worth +
mircea_popescu: the more concerning point is that ~ mircea_popescu ~ has to date made 0 btc out of all the support work he put into asciilifeform 's projects!!!
mircea_popescu: well, you enjoy the freedom to work under your own direction, and a major proportion of all the gains this work produces.
mircea_popescu: heck, in 2012 or when it was, 10 btc went for http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/
mircea_popescu: well i mean... there's an over-time tendency for btc bounties nominal value to decrease and for their fiat value to increase. this is normal, as the item grows.
asciilifeform: i suppose if mircea_popescu proclaims that it ain't, then it ain't , what can i say.
asciilifeform: as for asciilifeform , he would actually prefer if mircea_popescu shot straight and said 'hell no i won't pay for no stinkin' software', rather than the peculiar ritual of having a contest, then to proclaim the submitters as a whole 'self-indulgent indolent' and then in the end to take s.nsa crypto lib and use for phree anyway
mircea_popescu: the deeper problem here is that the evolution of warfare has rendered a symmetric cipher useless. for the launch codes or how you call it we're mostly in consensus to use pure rsa, if memory serves, and for the prattle of eg game server, serpent will do.
mircea_popescu: the implication isn't "but instead sat" necessarily. you take this altogether very personally, but there's a good dozen "crypto experts" opining importantly in the comment section there.
asciilifeform: i can even see the logic, 'why would i give half a shit what rngolade to feed to my koch whitenertron'
mircea_popescu: well, they don't yet need it for anything. at least mentally. aanyways.
mircea_popescu: (nothing in crypto is useful, either, which severely limits the rng uptake apparently -- if your crypto dun work anyway what need is rng item or somesuch)
asciilifeform: the implication of 'had to do some things' is 'but instead sat' neh ?
asciilifeform: ( what's the use, incidentally, of a cramershouptron, without sane rng ? )
asciilifeform: and instead sat around uselessly , and wasted time making and selling rng in the meantime also, lol
mircea_popescu: actually it was written with a view to having the bounty paid to nsa. it's just nsa had to actually do some things.
asciilifeform: i do however take exception to the 'indolence'.
asciilifeform: requires a very selective reading of the logs, to say that they are not. but i won't argue over mircea_popescu's contest, it was written in such a way that it oughta have been quite obvious that the bounty will not be paid.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point re "it's unfortunate that open ended terms, such as one's own life, and other things, end up quite closed termed in the end" is sound. yes it's quite unfortunate, and rather regrettable. nevertheless, it's how it goes ; if i knew better in feb 2016 i'd have said "this'll be open for a coupla years". as it happens, i didn't know any better in 2016.
mircea_popescu: but that discussion was re absent submission to cipher contest ; not re your work making the ffa item you came to the conclusion is generally necessary.
asciilifeform: i suppose i oughtn't be surprised, that everyone answers then 'why not in a month'
asciilifeform: the 'self-indulgent indolence' of implementing in a year+ what usg academitards could not do in 30 years
asciilifeform: and i take exception to 'what i don't like about how the past looks'. looks entirely proper to me, and imho well-supported by the log material.
mircea_popescu: an' there's nothing wrong with this.
asciilifeform: made originally ( as amply described in the logs , at every step of the way ) for universal numbertheoretical ciphrator.
mircea_popescu: or in better terms : the conversation could have been carried in 2016, in the terms of "here's what the future looks like, wut do" rather than end-of-2017 in the terms of "here's what i don't like about how the past looks".
mircea_popescu: it does however not answer "where the hell was the discussion of s.nsa's march 2016 promise wrt february 2016 cipher contest".
asciilifeform: so this perhaps answers mircea_popescu's 'where the hell was c-s'
asciilifeform: in the process of writing one on top of my mpi, i realized that the approach is unsound, and will eventually get people killed. so went straight to what became ffa.
asciilifeform: it is in the log
mircea_popescu: or, to state it conversely, waiting copulation upon the perfect erection will result in a very old virgin bride, AT THE MOST. generally it will result in divorce.