mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748215 << lmao trhey finally dfid away with the 5th ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oddly enough latinos don't really believe in "how about you doin't dirty las playas in the first place".
BingoBoingo: Ah, I am pretty sure my 7 roommates at the hostel are argentine. I have talked to none of them yet because they are either sleeping or absent.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the pretense of argentina, in all fields, is nothing short of hysterical. they lose a sub, 100% through being TOTAL FUCKTARDS. they act as if adult country had some sort of problem ; as if people on it were qualified -- not to run a sub, but to run a dishwasher and so on.
BingoBoingo: How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork
BingoBoingo: The venezualans are, like myself, economic refugees
BingoBoingo: Ah, last nights venezualans mentioned they were very surprised by the number of cautions versus their experience
hanbot: I don't recall ever seeing cleaning crews near the river. or anywhere other than the esquinas of convenience stores. anyway, if they're anything like their southern neighbors ~everyone you meet will warn you about pickpockets/bag snatchers, to the degree someone who doesn't offer such warnings is by that sign a potential friend ;)
BingoBoingo: hanbot: I hear they clean less in the off season. Today while exploring spotted many crews engaged in cleaning.
hanbot: la plata's northern side looks to be in better (but not by much) shape than arg's
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently you haven't seen the castles the Busch family built with their soda swill revenues
asciilifeform: phf: or in the sad part of timis.
BingoBoingo: Now there's a neighborhood called Centro that has yet to interest me, but it will likely be crossed on the way to the old city.
BingoBoingo: That is nearly as central as central gets, the border of Buceo y Pocitos
phf: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1000031-768x576.jpg if not for palms could be any of moscow's "sleeping" neighborhoods
BingoBoingo: Buenas tardes todos gente http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/07/the-midwestern-rube-visits-la-rambla/
asciilifeform: ate: i recommend to read the logs also. http://btcbase.org/log and see subj line of this chan.
ate: asciilifeform Please excuse this noob, but I've been reading through your website over the past week or two. Creating a sane computing environment has been an interest of mine for a while, and most of my effots have been following the work of Alan Kay. Eventually, as I believe you have, I learned about the beautiful Lisp Machines, and am very interested in working to create modern versions.
ben_vulpes: *another* three char nick?
asciilifeform: the prognosis is, as i understand, similar.
asciilifeform: if i had to decide whether to find a picasso, or to be side swiped by a garbage truck, it would not be easy choice
a111: Logged on 2015-08-22 22:03 mircea_popescu: well the entire contention was the strange notion that peasant who "finds" vermeer and "has always had it in family" should get to keep it.
asciilifeform: the art thing would be considerably more interesting if picasso were actually a bearer instrument
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No one counted my sub 10k either
BingoBoingo: Not in arse, in suitcase. You declare the art as art worth ? and package it to match ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't speak for others, but picasso dun fit in my arse
asciilifeform: meanwhile shitfinex : 'Over the last few days, we were hit by a mixture of huge real customer demand for deposits & withdrawals, at the same time as we experienced ddos in the form of malicious microdeposits and withdrawals (a heavily funded attack). On top of this, both the Ethereum and Bitcoin networks were under high congestion (blame the kittens, not us.)...'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side << if you leave at all, documented
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs. << This is why picasos are a thing
asciilifeform: if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc. << And there's the pain of the experiment
asciilifeform: 'Unlike some states, Florida has no law establishing "parent-child privilege," which would keep communications between them confidential' << interesting detail.
asciilifeform: '"We're not only trying to build a case against the defendant, we're trying to ask the broader question of why - a question that the victims' families and the community deserves' << prettygreat
asciilifeform: this is hilarious, you can watch their hand-fudging in real time
asciilifeform: ( e.g. the latter currently displaying a suspiciously round '15000.00' )
asciilifeform: other goxes ( e.g. shitstamp ) having... technical difficulties
asciilifeform: ^ loox like they've quit selling btc...
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.bitfinex.com/stats << shitfinex. notice anything missing ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ah, in general it will be, yes; this is quite particular as it is a rather big block of not-totally-sane code that is imported basically
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha; well, sane-by-comparison to the clusterfuck that is whole GnuPG (I DID go through THAT too initially)
asciilifeform: i do regret having used name 'sane-mpi', there is very little sane about it except strictly in contrast with the original material
diana_coman: more like forcing one to see them I guess
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, they could, there's no question there; but they are text as it is, not sure what the big gain is (and it would end up in a very long thing)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman could the patches be actually inline and not merely reference ?
diana_coman: feel free to host them too, obv
asciilifeform: and various other lulz.
asciilifeform: '...we found out, that the specification of the "--s2k-count" parameter, which specifies the number of rounds of key deriviation function to unlock the private key, has changed from gpgv1 to gpgv2, so that it is ignored in gpg2 but does not cause any warning or error.'
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathendom : http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/07/1 >> '...Debian switch from gpg1 to gpg2... After getting gpg and agent running, I noticed, that not reliably stopping the gpg-agent on initrd would introduce a private key data leak via /proc from early boot process to running system when stopping fails...' and,
asciilifeform: for that matter, order'em to make the 'make' clean properly. also straightforward op. what kind of people cannot set up a make.
mircea_popescu: as one man said to another once, "if the design impedes you, this will be no problem, as we'll fucking make a new design"
mircea_popescu: it'd better be fucking possible because the alternative is madness.
diana_coman: well yes, that was my initial proposal and question "is it possible?" ; if yes, then all nice and cool
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can: diff ~the patch~
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman if every single patch you release is a genesis ( i.e. previously existing items are lifted with paste ) then you may as well simply publish signed tarballs, you are not actually using v
mircea_popescu: why the fuck exactly can't i move project/a to master/project/a through a patch ?
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear with me if this discussion unearthed a fundamental bug in v design whereby we have no good way to import projects.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'll peek at logs real quick, then let ya know. it hasn't reconnected since the netsplit
asciilifeform: naturally if yer simply gonna unzip and piss over the vtronic aspect where nobody has to hand-diff 300kB of liquishit -- then yes you dun have 2 genesis.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you'd make a new genesis, for eucrypt, and patch it with mpi. this patch will share no .sigs with the other mpi it is text-identical to
asciilifeform: where the linkage was ~not~ mechanically clear, because it appeared merely as a set of external symbols inside trb, rather than a proper lift of the files
asciilifeform: the important aspect is to avoid the mistake asciilifeform made early on in vtronic era, with 'tinyscheme' proggy
asciilifeform: when drawn in phf's viewer, this will appear as a graph with two genesisen. which mircea_popescu seems to have allergy for, for some reason. but there is nothing outrageous mechanically about it.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, can you work me through the steps to "subsume it into your own"? I don't yet see clearly what that is
asciilifeform: ( what was asciilifeform going to do with mpi ? there was plan, for 1 further cut, of the logger and the allocator. but i put it in cold storage when began work on ffa . )
asciilifeform: ftr i have no intention of amending mpi myself . if at some time i discover a new kochism therein, i will vdiff against diana_coman's mpi-containing entity
asciilifeform: i'll add only that imho it matters just how strongly-coupled your outer proggy is with the library
asciilifeform: asciilifeform prefers the latter. but this is a fundamental sort of decision, i'd ask mircea_popescu , it's his proggy
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu expressed a strong preference for the ~former~ approach, at one point
asciilifeform: the other is to preserve the two lineages as separate, but to link your item against e.g. mpi.a , and to insert the latter's hash into your vtree, to proclaim the linkage -- as i did with the binariola schematic jpegs in FG genesis.
asciilifeform: there are fundamentally 2 ways to go about using a vtronic item as a component in another. one is to subsume it into your own
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the contemplated example, are eucrypt/mpi and eucrypt/serpent plug-in alternatives for each other ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: let's carefully specify the question: what means 'internal'
diana_coman: nesis of eucrypt itself and one the genesis of mpi)
diana_coman: is there some documented process re how to create with V basically a new project that will contain as *internal* components derivations of existing projects? for example: eucrypt will have inside an mpi component; as seen earlier, I can patch mpi directly, but then how do I include the result in a higher structure? can I even do it while preserving the links? (I guess it would mean that resulting project has effectively 2 roots: one the ge
mircea_popescu: which is what the bleaters are importing into bitcoin : their own WoWoW outlook. soon bitcoin "marketcap" will exceed all extant assets. because it has to. because they;'re idiots.
mircea_popescu: all you can get is the whole world, and it costs ever less btc, seeing how the "rate" has to also account for everyone's dreams.
mircea_popescu: you can't get TWO because there... aren't... two.
mircea_popescu: "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc.
mircea_popescu: you can never liquidate it, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT WHAT FOR.
mircea_popescu: you keep thinking in these fiat-anchored terms, as fucking if that's how it worked.
asciilifeform: at some point 'nonlinear' effect begins : consider the difficulty of liquidating a coupla kg of au ( for nonspecialist. ) or for that matter, pu.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5
mircea_popescu: we're discussing the bleating of sheep here, what fucking truth.
asciilifeform: but how much truth is there in the statement ? picture if mircea_popescu were to drink a defective batch of rum, and goes with 10k btc to a gox. do you for a moment think that they will come up with 1.5e8 usd that day, to give for it ?
mircea_popescu: as far as wot is concerned, exactly like you say, div0, what the fuck do we care. we knew they're worthless going in.
mircea_popescu: as far as the puppy is concerned -- deeper bow.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, as far as the stater is concerned, yes.
mircea_popescu: when some schmuck writes on his employment application "salary sought - $50", this is not a statement on the value of the dollar.
asciilifeform: i'ma ask a different q : what is the ordering function for these statements ? do 4 zeroes worth of 'we are worthless' actually represent a lower bow than 3 ?
mircea_popescu: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BITCOIN. the "bitcoin price" is a statement of the worthless herd as to its own perceived worthlessness. bitcoin dun enter into it.
mircea_popescu: the funny thing being that it's EXACTLY how everthing else works. you didn't http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ at 15 yo because "school" ? lol. YOU LOST.
asciilifeform: whether it works as a humiliator, or spiked club, or tension wrench, is orthogonal question
asciilifeform: it's a propagating error, like div0, to include it in a logical chain is fatal, regardless of how correct the rest
mircea_popescu: why ? some girls had the sense to peg it, some girls are still waiting. it's the perfect nonperson humiliator, this. "if i hold out my tits will be worth more" "ahahahaha, really ?"
mircea_popescu: "exchange rate" dun enter into this. think of it as a petition on change.org signed by everyone in the herd.
mircea_popescu: the lazy stupid poor "people themselves" banded together to produce a joint report as to how worthless they think everything about them is, in bitcoin terms.
mircea_popescu: consider it this way : the lazy dumb fat women banded together to produce a joint report as to what they think things should be like. they call it "jezbel" or w/e. it keeps changing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever measure the voltage of a dead watch battery ?
asciilifeform wonders occasionally re the ultimate pressure limit of the reactor. e.g. a sha256 collision is not cheap, but not infinitely expensive either.
mircea_popescu: "there's a difference between the sort of people that are surprised by what happens and the sort of people that are surprised by when it does."
BingoBoingo: Your surprise was just timing, esr's surprise was the wealth
mircea_popescu: heh. remember years ago when bitcoin made 1k and it made me a dollar-billionaire in the process ?
a111: Logged on 2015-08-25 18:09 asciilifeform: all of this reminds me of the famous sovderpitude re: phone tap installation
diana_coman: the normal normality as opposed to abnormal normality or what
asciilifeform: [Global Notice] Sorry for the disruption to services there folk. "Normality" should return shortly. << lol!
asciilifeform noticed the 'TOKYO'
mircea_popescu: (note the TOKYO - JAPAN - April 04, 2013 bit)
mircea_popescu: is fatso's retirement consist of community service in the shape of poorly worded communique's led in by TOKYO (AP) ? because this idiocy smacks very much of same source as item discussed in say http://trilema.com/2013/its-been-an-epic-few-days-what-happened/
asciilifeform: ^ with the oblig 'millionzofdollarz'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gox world, 'TOKYO (AP) — A bitcoin mining company in Slovenia has been hacked for the possible theft of tens of millions of dollars, just days before the virtual currency, which hit a record above $15,000 on Thursday, is due to start trading on major U.S. exchanges. ... address referred to by NiceHash users indicates that about 4,700 bitcoins had been stolen'
mircea_popescu: obviously, something other than insta-bitchslap for opening mouth.
mircea_popescu: the idea is that if pantsuit makes a paper dolly of "men" that'll do something irl.
asciilifeform: in this case i can't even tell what the spamola-angle is supposed to be
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
mircea_popescu: and in other pointless bullshit : https://goodmenproject.com/ ie "the conversation no one is having [any of]" happening inexplicably on the IAB website template. i'm guessing http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 also does their checkout, legal &c, coincidentally.
diana_coman: right; cleaned it again fully; put back in the readme file; made the structure a/mpi and b/mpi; can finally say that patch presses fine with both vtrons
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 14:09 mircea_popescu: cleaning, always and forever the same damned thing.
diana_coman: yes,they HAVE same structure
asciilifeform: if there isn't 'mpi' in each -- your patch is off
diana_coman: but apparently I should have done it on a containing mpi containing the code
asciilifeform: diff/patch is not insensitive to directory structure, or it could not handle dirs at all. in original we have 'a/mpi/bin/README', in yours there is instead 'a/bin/README'.
asciilifeform: you stripped the dir 'mpi' when you made your diff
diana_coman: not in any way a point of the patch
mircea_popescu: cleaning, always and forever the same damned thing.
mircea_popescu: the hardest thing when reforming bad workflow is to... actually reform anything.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, tbh I lost count; more like delete and create whole thing again, on the verge of making bash scripts for each project anyway
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you should prolly have version numbers on these by now. testpatch-16
asciilifeform: ok breathe, count 10, post tar.
diana_coman: ugh; now I have a situation in which mod6's v simply drops on the floor my patch, while asciilifeform's v sees it correctly in the flow BUT when pressing it barfs saying that a readme file that the patch deletes does not exist as a result of previous patch WHILE pressing previous patch actually creates that file;
asciilifeform: they are part of same usg.
asciilifeform: on top of this i dun recognize the distinction between the two bureaucracies the ownership of said lands is being moved between
mircea_popescu: pantsuit continues to understand how the law works.
mircea_popescu: "While a handful of monuments have been resized in the past, none has been cut back to such an extent, putting the presidents proclamation in uncharted legal territory."
mircea_popescu: the ~equivalent move to pantsuit "We will take down mount rushmore"
asciilifeform: the cowboys from linked thread were iirc in oregon
BingoBoingo: i.e. Grand Escalara national monument reduced to the the grand escalara and a bit of surroundings instead of a tract of mostly nothing
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 02:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, whgen i was trying to get ben_vulpes to collect a bus'worth of local sluts and go throw an unauthorized party around those people the usg was trying to drive off their land ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, btw, didja see the piece where trump is shutting down whatever "natural monument" in utah ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 11:15 mircea_popescu: lism was long ago disarmed by a democratic process increasingly dominated by powerful groups with economic interests antithetical to competitors and consumers. And the courts, from which the victims of burdensome regulation sought protection, have been negotiating the terms of surrender since the 1930s."
BingoBoingo: I don't know yet that they lubricate
mircea_popescu: not as far as i've observed. then again, everyone's free to follow fanfics.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what do they use for lubrication, yak fat ?
BingoBoingo: But the door hardware, likely 99% more reliable with a can of white lithium grease
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far the dreams been comin' troo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sops wet dreams, at least.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747908 << the 1 law, where 'precedent is whatever we say it is'. sorta like 'in this germany, a jew is he who i say is a jew' in the earlier reich.
BingoBoingo: You know the US hapahazard kind where fall guys systemically exist to protect system
BingoBoingo: In other news, IOC banned Russia from 2018 winter olympics
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 13:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747903 << the reality of present-day usg is that precedent is precedent when they feel like it, and unprecedent when they unfeellikeit
BingoBoingo: The biggest impression montevideo is making on me is that it needs a trip to the BingoBoingo store for white lithium grease and toilet seats that aren't made out of particleboard
diana_coman: ugh, at http://thebitcoin.foundation/ yes; I followed the links from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html though and ended up with old one
asciilifeform: and not the ancient timestamp-shitting one
asciilifeform: it produces the 'standard' vpatch form
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is the one i've been using since iirc nov 2015
diana_coman: I did tweak it but I might have gotten something wrong and I'd rather rule this part out before hunting for issues
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors"
asciilifeform: trinque there ?
asciilifeform: this lack of formal relationship, Edwards has espoused views consistent with those associated with the Klan and, equally as important, he has repeatedly and publicly embraced several individuals who are strongly associated with the Klan. Mindful of Aesop's lesson, “A man is known by the company he keeps,” 1 we hold that Edwards cannot make claims of defamation or invasion of privacy and affirm summary disposition in favor of defe
asciilifeform: 'The Restatement (Second) of Torts § 559 lists “membership in the Ku Klux Klan” as the quintessential illustration of a defamatory statement. In an opinion piece in The Detroit News, columnist Bankole Thompson asserted that radio show host James Edwards is a “leader” of the Ku Klux Klan. There is no record evidence to suggest that Edwards holds a formal leadership position in the Ku Klux Klan, nor is there any record evidence
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the latter? yea
mircea_popescu: i never managed to find drinkable rum in the old world. so i only drink it this side
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 13:18 BingoBoingo: From there it was a United 737-800 which gave off a 90's vibe in its plastic, especially compared to the Copa 737-800 which was new but full of infants
diana_coman: while I usually do have rum in the house it's (at least supposedly) meant for..caek
mircea_popescu: i went from "just about ready to burn this shit down" to having a grand ole mellow time in the ten minutes it took to get two refills.
BingoBoingo: From there it was a United 737-800 which gave off a 90's vibe in its plastic, especially compared to the Copa 737-800 which was new but full of infants
diana_coman: hm, if I'm looking at the right model it still is some reasonable size; I flew a couple of times to Rome on some 15-seats plane and that was always... interesting
BingoBoingo: The embraer during take off had a feel like my saturn plastic car, that there just might not be enough power to pull off this aviation thing
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: There was no business class on the embraer 145, just "ecomomy" on the two seat side of the aisle and "economy plus" on the solo seat side
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, in Europe at least the "difference" between economy and business class on small regional flights is quite often a... curtain drawn to separate the 2 areas of the aircraft, but not much else (same seats, same space/lack of it, same food if you really need airplane-food on a 2-3 hours flight)
BingoBoingo: In miscelanous reflections that ought to have made yesterday's log except for brain lag, on the small regional flight economy plus was totally worth it. Window, your seat, aisle, pair of suckers.
mircea_popescu: check that out! "bitcoin is now 100% more valuable than it was three weeks ago", in preference of "bitcoin is exactly the same but we're willing to admit twice as much weakness in the worthless fiat than we were three weeks ago"
mircea_popescu: dude's ~as maddox-knockoffy / dumb as i remember it, however, "The Pick Up Artist community has turned thousands of young men into silly cheap-shits. Their The Game plan is simple: 1. Dont pay for shit. 2. ? 3. Pussy! But thats like switching from live bait to dynamite when youre fishing in the bathtub. Heres a straighter line between points U and P: 1. Stop dating chicks that arent going to fuck you!"
mircea_popescu: in other things that happened in 2017, michael vick quit.
diana_coman: and hm, maybe update the vdiff linked from http://thebitcoin.foundation/ if there's a newer version
mircea_popescu: mod6 mind adding the "no clearsigned material in patches -- you got the .sig for that" and "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" rules to it ; and phf / everyone mind making it stick ?
diana_coman: hm, is there a clear convention re patch names ? using - or _ as separators? mod6's *very useful* guide at http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html seems to suggest _ but the collection of patches seems to use both - and _
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 21:59 mircea_popescu: anywya, im not reading this pile of garbage ; but from the skimming -- the whole argument is born of ignorance. reddit got its start as a heaven for child porn peddlers who got banned on digg.
mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656598 since might as well archive it, http://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-the-biggest-troll-on-the-web
mircea_popescu: "sweetney" (period idiot) meanwhile morphed into tracey gaughran, for instance. lives in baltimore, is a "digital content and strategy" aka http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-31.1330-31.1456
asciilifeform: lol mircea_popescu : asciilifeform habitually read the chix, ~decade ago
mircea_popescu: and in other "omg i can't believe this still exists", http://violentacres.com/two-phrases-that-destroyed-american-culture/
asciilifeform: meanwhile in pertinent oldies, http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/
asciilifeform: i will host the seals.
asciilifeform: anyone who considers self a 'graduate' of ch1, i.e. having loaded it Into Head, is invited to sign the genesis.
diana_coman: good point there, huh
diana_coman: I can also confirm that it presses with asciilifeform's v and moreover that the 2 results are - as expected - same
asciilifeform: the genesis contained the clearsig. this did not choke vdiff, it ended up on the right side of a genuine +++ , there was no symptom of problem.
asciilifeform: interestingly , this item was the 2nd thing asciilifeform ever genesised ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000175.html ) . 1st was trb.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-06 20:12 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.vpatch http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpi/mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig for the l0gz.
asciilifeform: corrected items ( and their seals ) are live at same place, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-06#1747494 .
asciilifeform: to to diana_coman , mod6 , mircea_popescu , phf , for their sweat .
asciilifeform: and that the corrected set of patches, presses.
mircea_popescu: item scheduled for eucrypt lib so keep watch of diana_coman 's blog. can be just taken from there put here.
mircea_popescu: if we start fucking with vdiff, this is the first mover.
asciilifeform: aha, that very same. same work of heathenry as sha256.
asciilifeform: sha512 is the ancient sha512
mircea_popescu: i expect his method (add the terminating ---s the thing expects even if spurious) works even if implementation may need work. tho i dun wanna go down this road.
mircea_popescu: and yes the problem will recur.
mircea_popescu: vdiff should be fixed to search for the full 4 char header also.
asciilifeform: the problem is more or less guaranteed to recur, however, i suspect.
mircea_popescu: take out the god damned clearsigns.
mircea_popescu: the correct diff header is "--- " ; not "-" nor "---".
mircea_popescu: still, ironclad argument that current grep is broken : looks for PART OF the header it should.
asciilifeform: this will fix this case. but not the general case.
mircea_popescu: hey! change the grep ? from "---" to "--- " ?
asciilifeform: phf is entirely right. it is broken exactly as in the earlier '+++' case
asciilifeform: what 1line would you like to replace the old 1line with ?
asciilifeform: rather than by hand
mircea_popescu: idiotparser has the extreme advantage of not even being a parser, ie, simplicity.
mircea_popescu: stylistic rules happen all the time. "name variables like this".
asciilifeform: i will point out that the mpi genesis was created in oct. of 2015, when v was 2 mo. old.
mircea_popescu: and a rule whereby ada comments are "-- " not "--" is not the end of the world either.
phf: and that doesn't in any way require breaking the files?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you shouldn't put gpg clearsigned bits in a patch in the first place.
asciilifeform: say how ? to lose the gpg clearsig ?
asciilifeform: in the earlier FG case i 'cheated' by rejecting the use of the uuencoded blogs in the 1st place
phf: in this case "better parser" is a parser that actually understands the format it's processing
phf: _but it will require either writing a vdiff from scratch, or else adding a better parser to vdiff_
asciilifeform: phf: classical v does not touch these or attempt to use'em for anything.
asciilifeform: no other restriction.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they gotta ~start~ with --
phf: but it will require either writing a vdiff from scratch, or else adding a better parser to vdiff
asciilifeform: a great many of them.