mircea_popescu: for the record, if n = 2 ^ 2048, that limit is ~238.728599954.
asciilifeform: place of 'cryptographic community' is the lime pit.
mircea_popescu: (for the record : it is a fact that there exist infinite composites so that their SMALLEST witness is at least ln (n) ^ 1/(3 * ln (ln(ln(n))). yet "cryptography community" keeps doing this small witness bs.)
mircea_popescu: iirc there was a "study" showing how "it is enough to test these" for whatever size.
mircea_popescu: so the recipe would be, "for every composite N, sort the factors so as to obtain two 2048 bit chunks ; then check whether 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17 are strong liars for the item.
asciilifeform: walk the known prime-divisors and see how many pass gpg-1.4.10's litmus
mircea_popescu: this is what i say : reconstruct the original two "primes" of which at least one wasn't ; then see which of such items have in fact low primes as strong liars.
asciilifeform: y'know , this hypothesis is testable
mircea_popescu: the factors don't matter.
asciilifeform: the only 1 with factors sized somewhere near half the bitness of the modulus, other than the khadeer key ( which had P == nextprime(Q) , which dun fit the bill )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only 1 that might fit the shape of this item is the german 'research key' one
mircea_popescu: it'd be worth it at this point to see which of the composite "primes" have the whole set of primes under say 29 as strong liars.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at this point there's little doubt in my mind that >0 of the items cracked by phuctor were bona-fide keys, composite slipped past the 4+1 round m-r.
mircea_popescu: and so we'd like to have an alternative, if for no reason then just to have it.
mircea_popescu: this'd be a special alternate because we're very unhappy with the fact that a) "everonye" (=usg) uses m-r and b) evidently lies about the strength assumptions.
asciilifeform: esthlos: point is , there exists a guaranteed-correct algo. using it, supposing it were practical, is The One Right Thing
esthlos: noob question: why not use a fast nondeterministic algo and sieve on the results?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for my curiosity, run the above linked c++ gmp item
asciilifeform: btw if esthlos ( or anyone else, anywhere ) knows how to aks on 2048b primes in nongeological time, i'll happily port their algo to ffa, even if original is in cobol
esthlos: well that works then
esthlos: mircea_popescu: alright. I've been thinking of writing a v implementation following http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/
mircea_popescu: so do that first ; then.
mircea_popescu: esthlos i'd love for you to be able to jump straight into this ; however there's some groundwork to be laid. look into the V system, because ideally you'd be presenting the finished item as a patch on diana's eucrypt lib. and asciilifeform is working on and publishing a final FFA which is what we intend to use here.
asciilifeform: i very muchly recommend that all n00bs, regardless of skill, follow the www tutorial
asciilifeform: nope, and the complete barrett is unreleased , it is not up to releasable standard yet
asciilifeform: there was a version given to mod6 , should be in the log somewhere , that had all of the basic arithmetic (+,-,*,/)
mircea_popescu: so he has something to work on, rather than wait for tutorial completion, is the logic
asciilifeform: this is tricky business because i changed a great many things, ch1-3 is in many ways incompatible with the old item
asciilifeform: or mircea_popescu was asking for other-than-ch1-3 ?
mircea_popescu: rather than being all negative!!!, got a review copy of ffa somewhere to pass to esthlos ?
asciilifeform: matter of fact, it is. unless there's been a serious advance that i slept through
mircea_popescu: at this juncture having options is the right move. let user decide.
mircea_popescu: esthlos look through the various FFA items as pasted by asciilifeform first ; to get an idea what the item is like. so you don't have to wait till he's finished publishing it all
esthlos: mircea_popescu: is there a preference on how I compute totient?
mircea_popescu: http://yves.gallot.pagesperso-orange.fr/arbregen.html << tho apparently there's a genealogy tree going back to 1600s, so how bad can it be.
diana_coman: esthlos, "primes is in p" is the original paper describing aks; by agrawal, kayal and saxena, you'll find it easily
mircea_popescu: you know, three indian kids got a godel prize a decade ago for the first ever primality test that's deterministic, polynomial and unconditional
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think this might be worth made into a knob in the code explicitly
mircea_popescu: diana_coman should prolly add a comment in there pointing out to people who are making keys for serious use that 1e-10 is really not nearly good enough.
mircea_popescu: seems a gratuitous (but not readily computable) degradation of the 4^-k outer bound.
diana_coman: gnupg m-r implementation rather
phf: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch3_shifts in press order you can see all the mentioned sigs included
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:34 mircea_popescu: or more properly speaking i suppose, can you v that thing so phf can then not plop into his ever-growing lisp visualizer because it's not written in lisp and tee hee ?
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Tenth of a bitcent per hour fine with me per hour << Perhaps the baroness can?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753256 << no. the naive bare life (bios as opposed to zoon, see http://trilema.com/2014/it-all-depends-on-what-power-means/#selection-109.0-106.2 ) approach is that sunken costs matter. this feeds right into shaw above. whereas any gambler worth two shits knows you... fold when you know it can't win, not when you judge you can afford to lose "your" share of the pot.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, i myself wasn't making a current bitcent an hour until sometime after 2010. ie, quite recently.
mircea_popescu: this is the true meaning of being wealthy, when your wealth stays wealthy for longer than the world stays active. they run out of puff afore you run out of dosh
mircea_popescu: and as bonus lulz, we'll never know whether i would have actually paid the whole length or not.
ben_vulpes: she would literally rather dance for tips
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oh i understand this, i also understand how fist fits in cunt doesn't mean i'm not entertained from time to time with the concrete item
sofiababy: there
trinque: texanism with either a little girl or queer connotation
trinque: girl will faff about trying to make sure they see all sides of her until someone grabs hold.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is why artificial intelligence will never be able to compete with the genuine article.
ben_vulpes: dude this is epic, girl would rather talk about calendar offsets than earn a bitcent an hour reading the log
sofiababy: so easter isnt the same
sofiababy: is the romanian calender same as greek
mircea_popescu: or as the orthodox tradition says, "durerea-i ziditoare"
mircea_popescu: move into the pain not away from it. pain is good for you.
ben_vulpes: sofiababy: what the hell is wrong with you
mircea_popescu: the result is a matter of necessity in those circumstances.
mircea_popescu: nothing interesting can happen on mfc because mfc is composed of a) the people there who b) operate under the delusion they may make choices.
mircea_popescu: let us reiterate that ancient http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/
sofiababy: apathetic horny fuckers
sofiababy: these guys are different
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone actually can be bothered to check teh cam ? is she actyually logreading ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin but the critter's own word!11
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and your proof to the contrary being... ?
mircea_popescu: who, other than being a major fascist supporter, was also a guy reputedly so smart, some woman wrote to him to propose having babies on the theory she's so pretty.
mircea_popescu: the quote is actually from bernard shaw.
mircea_popescu: everyone's a nerd deep down. way the fuck easier than being a miner deep down.
sofiababy: just like them
mircea_popescu: especially if they're dumb.
sofiababy: i cant do the spanish
sofiababy: i read the conversatio
ben_vulpes: who cares what they think?
sofiababy: they wil think im on drugs
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:07 BingoBoingo: Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
mircea_popescu: go to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753439 which is a webpage like any other webpage and start reading down from there.
sofiababy: there servers aint that good
sofiababy: there is a delay
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 16:07 BingoBoingo: Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
mircea_popescu: o hey, so here's a deal, read out the log to them. i'll pay you say a bitcent for an hour.
mircea_popescu: sofiababy hey, do you have voice on your cam thing or just video ? can you talk to the virgins ?
sofiababy: evry one is selling time one way or another
mircea_popescu: which is why the whole "men will do anything to get some" social fiction, with it's attendant "surprises" of the thoroughly fabricated sort, "i can't believe far far away somewhere in like japan they don't". gotta mask the bitter truth that ~woman~ will do anything to get some. literal anything.
mircea_popescu: let it be stated that the deep root of the whole "prostitution is unfeminist" current stems from about the same place as "it's in poor taste to sell them lost in the desert water at extortionate prices".
mircea_popescu: ry because the race must perish without her travail: if the risk of death and the certainty of pain, danger, and unutterable discomforts cannot deter her, slavery and swaddled ankles will not. And yet we assume that the force that carries women through all these perils and hardships, stops abashed before the primnesses of our behavior for young ladies."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 02:01 cazalla: sofiababy, no, stopped watching twitch after it was inundated with gamer girl camwhores, but i read they do well sparking up league of legends, chatting to virgins and getting them to donate to their patreon
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753038 <<->> "Men, on the other hand, attach penalties to marriage, depriving women of property, of the franchise, of the free use of their limbs, of that ancient symbol of immortality, the right to make oneself at home in the house of God by taking off the hat, of everything that he can force Woman to dispense with without compelling himself to dispense with her. All in vain. Woman must mar
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:52 cazalla: i bought a bottle of that reserva, was nice, i still prefer bundy rum (although the one i like can't be bought now)
BingoBoingo: Still sweeter is watching the crashing. So much crashing.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: god i love reading the old shit.
mircea_popescu: "Eventually if you keep buying you either run out of money or run out of looking like a sucker." ahaha.
sofiababy: i want to be in with the cool kids
sofiababy: im fixing the entry
mircea_popescu: this log needs lengthening!
mircea_popescu: or more properly speaking i suppose, can you v that thing so phf can then not plop into his ever-growing lisp visualizer because it's not written in lisp and tee hee ?
asciilifeform: esr. ( for fyootoor log searchers pulling their hair out )
mircea_popescu: used to be money, back when "thus britons for lucre fly over the main". but these days... "Women have never had money, continue to have no money, and never will have any money. The only reason women can own property in this day and age is because you cant own property in this day and age."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am hard pressed to think of any kind of tradesman ( outside of, i suppose, walmart gulag ) who has ~less~ to show for his years, than the typical tech d00d
mircea_popescu: through the following mechanism : "Has it only been four years ?!?!?!?" asks the boy. "I think I aged less than that's worth", ie, "good use of my time", ie... a derivative sort of youth elixir.
mircea_popescu: looking retrospectively, i suspect the great lure of "tech" such that "boys turn to tech, girls turn to poundcake" is in fact that if well done, tech seems to be the closest thing one has to fountain of eternal youth.
BingoBoingo: Ah, that great announcement where the leverage had moved
BingoBoingo: Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
BingoBoingo: The locals are a very welcoming people.
BingoBoingo: Next Friday one of the other enterprises is throwing a "Welcome to Uruguay" welcome asado for the gringo, which I should be much more awake for than the end of the year celebration asado they threw at the cowork which coincided with the day of my arrival.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, now that business is baking I'll be touring the datacenter tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, if this were a hotel and I were paying hotel prices... the minor for hostel structural and chinche issues would not be so easily dismissed, and there would be wrath
BingoBoingo: Especially with the locals
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but reiterating the problem for log readers. The hotel/hostel confusion seems to be a persistent one in conversations.
BingoBoingo: Renting an apartment now would mean either gambling on roomates for the long haul or undertaking an exercise which introduces wasted hours of solitude not exposed to languages
mircea_popescu: what's the current arrangement cost you per month ?
BingoBoingo: *7 persons, I am the 8th
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not hotels, the hostel.
BingoBoingo: ^ Bonus observation: The drive to grow my own tomatoes, not as strong here. Pretty delicious tomatoes rather available.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/18/a-second-sunday-for-the-midwestern-rube/ << Bingo Blog - A Second Sunday For the Midwestern Rube
BingoBoingo: watching the gringo's language learning in real time.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW ; but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things : << AHA the poor hostel staff
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they like to have both tracks running, iirc << AHA, this and rock music appears to be what shaped most of the younger local's english language ability. Ingles subtitulo Espanol, Not a very functional thing, thankfully only a flash of stink eye pushes them pack into spanish practice mode.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> afaik pediwikism dun count as 'publication' << Eh, but the so called deans prolly count pediwiki links as citations in their minds if not on paper
ben_vulpes: and now for something completely different: http://archive.is/IEa6u "I have always been fascinated, and a little troubled, by the concept of paper money, or fiat currency. If I think about it too long it makes my head hurt and I have an urge to sell all of my tech stocks and buy gold."
ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/p526V << certain elements of the pravda are funny; the classic socialistoid "assuming the sale" in "The truth has been rendered here irrelevant" in regards to the /defamation case/, also the hilarious verdict of ~"you'd have to be /uniquely stupid/ to not understand that you're a public figure by virtue of just fucking look at yourself"
mircea_popescu: "identity as genus" occurs not when op says something extremely shockingly intelligent or w/e, but when you say "do you understand what you jsut said ?!" and they retort "not really".
mircea_popescu: so the whole "understanding" bullshit is a case of utterly misdefined goals.
mircea_popescu: note that the true problem here isn't that "computers don't understand context" or whatever othjer bl;a bla. people very provably do not either.
mircea_popescu: "understanding" of the "truely" or any other variety, in the "human" sense is simply second order prediction. we would readily identify a computer as "hard ai" or "truly" comprehending what's going on if it a) deployed heuristics and then b) made reasonable (which does not mean correct) predictions about their likelihood of success.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it msises the very obvious failure of the "chinese room" nonsense (yes, searle mc dumbnuts, you don't speak chinese NOW ; but if you followed the recipe you WOULD, by the time you'd stop making errors, actually speak chinese. duh. eternal error of the childish mind, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+dynamic+static etc ), but moving on to more interesting things :
mircea_popescu: there is no more fundamental human property than the need to belong ; and since illusions are by their nature sweet, there's no more endearingly common characteristic than misconstrued partisanship.
asciilifeform: this is the kind of pseudo-pithy item that folx cough up the day they first encounter a lisp , and then walk around ashamed of for years
mircea_popescu: but in other heresies, http://notes.esthlos.com/files/2017-11-16-lisp-enlightenment.txt
mircea_popescu: in other news, this interview is terrible.
mircea_popescu: "The marketing people are not there to teach people, so probably one of the most disastrous interactions with computing was the fact that you could make money selling simulations of old, familiar media, and these apps just swamped most of the ideas of Doug Engelbart, for example. The Web browser, for many, many years, and still, even though it's running on a computer that can do X, Y, and Z, it's now up to about X and 1/2 of
mircea_popescu: amusingly, kay actually SAY\S THIS in the very piece
mircea_popescu: phf yes ; and this fix is further breaking
phf: the easiest way to fix is of course to link to "print" version, which on sites of certain vintage is usually a single page
asciilifeform: they broke deliberately, to push ad crapola
mircea_popescu: the ways in which webtards manage to break computers are innumerable.
mircea_popescu: the kay interview ? it's from this large pile of "items of interest" i go through when in the mood.
mircea_popescu: tis not there.
phf: well, also misparsing, because i didn't make it clear that franklin stove is not a буржуйка, there's a simpler u.s. item that corresponds though (can be found in e.g. faulkner)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752403 << possibly because of the potbellied bourgeois caricatures, anglo version is called exactly that "pot belly stove".
mats: i never heard of a kr with the name wong
mircea_popescu: why can't students of jp import one of them young hussies
asciilifeform: they like to have both tracks running, iirc
asciilifeform: then build sans orccode yea
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i can't hear you over the sound of my poliglotism.
ben_vulpes: well and being a pissoir for the webatlarge
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: macware abounds, none of it is being used for anything other than entertainment anymore
asciilifeform: i dun have any quarrel with the original
mircea_popescu: "why are you biting out of a turd ?" "fortifying self for trench time, i hear sometimes people there have to drink piss"
asciilifeform: i have even sadder item , re subj , dedicated chinese pogolike thing for watching film on. it dun even go on the lan. just eats usb drives.
phf: but also mircea_popescu's assessment is correct, i'm tampering myself before i face the insides of difftools
mircea_popescu: he;s preparing self for the new vtrons
mircea_popescu: this is the whole story, both as to why "physics died" and as to why and wherefore etc.
phf: further unrelated to conversation lulz. package formula references fribidi (implementation of fucking bidirectional unicode). the url for it with the site and everything is dead, but there's a shithub page. formula references fribidi-0.19.7.tar.bz2, github has 0.19.7.tar.gz. ~these are apparently different beast, because using later fails the build, while tracking a copy of the first one succeeds~. this is beyond insanity.
mircea_popescu: except in the formulation here, there is no possibility of performance outside of a structure of identity, and the identity can not be predicated on the performance.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
asciilifeform: nobody archived it, either
asciilifeform: but ~nobody will ever meet these.
asciilifeform: there is occasional competent guild impostor , e.g. the fella who was jailed after decade of flying commercial jets with forged license , name presently escapesme
mircea_popescu: "i don't know any people in power, why would the guy hiring me"
asciilifeform: it's a recurring thread , 'so you fooled'em into thinking yer a doctor, now they bring you a bleeding wreck , naowat'
mircea_popescu: see, cuz goat imagines everyone's a goat, and what, ro is a small enough country that x and y would know each other
asciilifeform: therw was a similar piece by mircea_popescu re some d00d who tried to lie his way into 'manager' work
mircea_popescu: this is the catastrophe of ideology, it misplaces people into harms way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall that story about the dumbest gilr in my hs that ended up a math assistant prof ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 02:58 esthlos: this channel is like discovering the last psychiatrist again
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753228 << "how did you become a great physicist ?" "well... first i became a moderately-great physicist, and then an above-moderately-great physicist, and then..."
mircea_popescu: now then! finally done with that!
mircea_popescu: it's an identity issue. the sort of girl that gets all gung ho about "being first girl to" is going to a) be trying too hard and b) be not listening too well.
mircea_popescu: "i ate a lot of shit to come this far" is a fundamental problem. they CAN NOT go slower, and lower. and they CAN NOT hear anyone telling them to. you understrand why ?
mircea_popescu: these guys wouldn't be easily scared. but the girls weren't... easily deterred. you see ?
mircea_popescu: understand what the crew here is : they're people who pour gasoline out of a large hose straight in the nose of a running jet engine, open air like that. hot refuelling it's called. they're people who get sucked into the damned things doing it, not and again.
mircea_popescu: to the point they ~actually scareds~ the fucking technical crew on multiple occasions.
mircea_popescu: MUCH too high. much too fast. ALL THE TIME.
mircea_popescu: but this finnicky nonsense aside, point two : these women, not just the dead one ; not just the suing one ; ALL of them, constantly and without fucking respite came in too high and too fast.
asciilifeform: this is typical in american machines, they all come with a 'it hurts -- dun do that' , e.g. phantom's irrecoverable spin
mircea_popescu: and THEN! with stalled engines, the force vector can actually outrule the damned rudder! you lose the plane for turning! and they flew this, and somehow won a war with the fucking clothes iron.
mircea_popescu: now consider two different problems. one of them is, the damned hardware involved. the piece of shit airplane they flew (f14) is SO BADLY DESIGNED its nose moving left/right can disrupt airflow into compressor intake ACTUALLY STALLING an engine.
mircea_popescu: the courts rebuffed her ; then. the upper court even had to tell her that "calling the first women trying to do this public figure does not constitute a statement of some kind of negative judgement". because yes, she was intimating this.
mircea_popescu: now, one of the substandard ones actually SUED. because she deemed that the release of "her private data" as to how bad she sucked is such an important matter, it precludes the public interest.
mircea_popescu: now, all this was found out because an engineer involved leaked data. he did so because it was eggregious -- like how the sort of red mark that often ended a male';s career were accumulating in the double digits on these unfortunate souls' files
esthlos: this channel is like discovering the last psychiatrist again
mircea_popescu: it's that there were four women ; which were judged by the (absolutely and entirely fair and utterly unsexist, as a factualmatter beyond dispute) men involved as : hultgreen, marginal, the rest, substandard.
mircea_popescu: the navy tried to win honestly ; and it failed. it's not JUST that woman, Hultgreen, crashed her airplane in a manner that a) was taught as incorrect and b) she had been negged for doing in training.
mircea_popescu: the airforce won. it won by trickery -- had some girl that did ~6 hours all through 1990s, then did most of her actual hours in 2000s.
mircea_popescu: ... the purge discussed in http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ the navy and the airforce found themselves in a de facto competition
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't have a full vierw of the problem. allow me to recount a lengthy story that shall make my point for me.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
asciilifeform: i know what they sell to them. worked with the asian phd folx who got diploma for washing glass, 'first step to...' various.
mircea_popescu: now, i didn't happen to give a shit. but think what they try to sell to these unfortunate kids.
mircea_popescu: there's also the very problematic... consider. the highlight of my entirely negligible theoretical physicist career such as it was, was pariticpating at this "international contest". it was named... "the first step to nobel prize in physics".
asciilifeform: very rarely anyone abandons the dead end crud. the adherents continue to sit in their chairs, and eventually die, and next generation puts the dead end item in rubbish bin where it belongs , instead of picking up.
asciilifeform: observe also that in practice the so-called 'physicists' ~never surrender, and how field 'advances 1 funeral at a time'
asciilifeform: how the everliving fuck is that a surrender
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: drawing, quartering, burning out with hot irons a out defective paradigm is ~the~ work of actual thinker.
mircea_popescu: which is why we can have color television sets with short tubes. they, smart or not smart, couldn't have.
mircea_popescu: the view was wrong -- the complete science was actually neither complete nor even correct
mircea_popescu: people said these exact things, btw.
mircea_popescu: consider the problem of mechanics in 1900. physics "complete science" and why can't you 1900 alf explain the mercury precession ?
mircea_popescu: doctor is allowed to assign miraculous cause ; and the curtailing of that allowance exactly mirrors the technicalization (ie, de-liberalization) of medicine.
asciilifeform: 'allah farted' is not a possibility that merits considering while having the activity still called 'thinking' and the folx engaging therein, 'thinkers'
asciilifeform: same applies here. thinking people may not retreat to 'allah farted and therefore.
asciilifeform: recall the 'police detective may not entertain hypothesis of miraculous disappearance when confronted with empty safe' ?
mircea_popescu: why did you fart when you farted as opposed to at any other time ?
asciilifeform: but why fallen ~then~
asciilifeform: or entirely none of these ?
mircea_popescu: and so ipse, not because government grants therefore flatten forests printing drivel.
asciilifeform: that'd be ye olde 'devil finds work for idle hands' theory
mircea_popescu: not "because charlie manson, therefore here's a list of dozen+ teenagers who fucked on the first day" but quite vice-versa : "because oodlebunches of such teenagers, therefore here's weirdo cult nonsense".
mircea_popescu: where there's teenaged runaways, a charlie manson will be found
mircea_popescu: is the jewish young female sluttery the problem, or merely the pimp's ready marketing of it ?
mircea_popescu: well, for many different reasons, but let's set on the very convenient tu quoque approach. you yourself think all sorts of insanities about what you can and can not do, which vary according to mood. it's no different for anyone else.
mircea_popescu: they still feel that way with or without "i fucking love science" marketing depts.
mircea_popescu: but it's absolutely and eminently NOT the case that smart people were doing smart people things and some bureaucrats came in su style and "henceforth you shall publish or perish". it was rather the case that some smart people sat around doing existential anguish, and some bureaucrats came by, packaged it as "publish or perish" and then proceeded to sell it to them (in exchange of an island of manhattan worth of "scientific" s
asciilifeform: but yes, pretty clear that 'felt they had to', not martian hypnosis did it, no.
mircea_popescu: whether it's for credit or for free makes little practical difference. the problem's in the brain not in the statute.
mircea_popescu: this is irrelevant. whenever the state manages to enforce some idiocy, it's not the case the state enforced it, it's the case it followed a fashion!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do milkmaids sell their milk for 10cents a galon to walmart to be sold to consumer for a buck a bottle ?
asciilifeform: q is, why maths folx sit and edit pediwikia, which gives them nothing in return, censors/'curates' the work, and leverages it to spray respectability perfume on their politclaptrap ?
mircea_popescu: math following it rapidly into the hole.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to what exactly, the experts sex change source of all software ?
asciilifeform: esthlos: does it ever bother you that your primary maths link-reference is a spamola farm ?
esthlos: mircea_popescu: more like infinite solutions, so choosing any single solution is arbitrary. just like the feynman path integral. its thttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_series_theoremhis problem in a larger context:
mircea_popescu: "the us economy, named for mccain's father in law, is a piece of marysue fanfic written home by foreigners".
esthlos: mircea_popescu: its almost a joke of the universe that 4d manifolds are almost impossible to classify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_manifolds#Dimension_4:_exotic
mircea_popescu: "The ChernSimons theory, named after Shiing-Shen Chern and James Harris Simons, is a 3-dimensional topological quantum field theory of Schwarz type, developed by Edward Witten." << wikipedia fucking delivers.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: as to quantum computers, I don't know a whole lot about quantum, but i believe that an information-theoretic approach to spacetime is the best bet to quantize it
esthlos: my thesis is about a rigorous approach...which only works in 3D... sigh