a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 09:22 mircea_popescu: at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756156 << exactly as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752680 : being rich doesn't necessarioly promise much, mensa is fulla high iq losers and marinas/golf courses/boardrooms fulla high networth losers. HOWEVER! at the OTHER END... if you're poor you're dumb, no question.
toohigh: The name of my first boat was: "Titties Forever"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 18:08 asciilifeform: i'll admit ftr that this item was one of the underlying seekrit crackpotteries behind asciilifeform's interest in shortwave
mircea_popescu: heh what happened here then
toohigh: Yes hello caller, your on the AIR!
trinque: weevlos: what do you gain by making things easy for the stupid?
weevlos: they simply won't show up
trinque: and doubly "I can't be bothered to know a few integers"
trinque: it's a problem, because on the other side, this "branding" shit is going in the gas chambers.
weevlos: we may get there
trinque: weevlos: tell you this, if the kids can't even introduce themselves properly memorizing an IP for the revolution is right out.
deedbot: danielpbarron rated weevlos 1 << the weev, friend of Emily Youcis
phf: witness the domain registrar game sci-hub has been playing for months now
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 06:14 mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer the correct solution here is to pay 1-200 per month for a dedicated server in a sane jurisdiction (ie, outside of nato). make sure you get a chunk of ips with it, then host all your shit.
trinque: weevlos: anyhow you're the stormer guy eh? there was a thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708657
trinque: MTW: I have to make the wallets.
trinque: and one sec on the wallet ops.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-31 01:28 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: He's sort of like an apostle.
phf: if only there was some way to capture a conversation so that it gets preserved for future readers
phf: i thought the spam was funny, because i want to his youtube channel and there was a bunch of very upset and confused people there. i thought it was an intentional, as they say, good show
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:18 phf: "The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide."
mod6: Will be looking at this closely/testing, etc. If that indeed becomes the fix, doesn't negate some of the refactors Stan is discussing. And those may be warranted in a later release.
mod6: Hmm. Ok, well, there *might be* a quick fix to this on my end -- not withstanding important original design flaws pointed out by asciilifeform above ^, seems that I have a possible idiotic thing in my toposort. Once removed, *appears* to do The Right Thing.
asciilifeform: there's definitionally 1 correct graph traversal for any given vtree.
asciilifeform: but instead implementing the Troo Algo.
asciilifeform: so to expand : we take each 'out' , and follow it back as far as we can. ( when we meet a nil, we stop recursing, in that branch. ) when we meet a non-nil, recurse. when the recursion unwinds, the actual unixpatch (or phfian patch, for that matter) util invocations, happen.
mod6: speaking of tree-display... once I spit out the tree for eucrypt, then it makes sense. no reason that you should have to press 'eucrypt_mpi_fix_copy_incr.vpatch' to have pressed 'ch2_truerandom.vpatch'
asciilifeform: ( the linear flow display was also a mistake, it misleads people, does not actually help anybody. really ought to have exclusively tree-flow display, as mod6 had )
asciilifeform: pointedly the 'flow' should not be used as the input for any operation , other than to display to user
asciilifeform: 2) recurse backwards from these.
asciilifeform: the correct press algo is
asciilifeform: the press algo i wrote was extremely lame , and mod6's vtron went astray by copying it, rather than the item in my head, lol
BingoBoingo: <esthlos> i'm trying to implement V, without reading too much source (as asciilifeform suggested), so how is this so far: << Well, stop reading code and take V on a walk down the Rambla.
esthlos: by selecting which keys are acceptable, we get a subsequence of acceptable diffs, which are then used to patch the source
mod6: I'll stop working on all other things, and dig into this. Will advise as I have more to say.
mod6: I don't have a fix ready or anything of the kind, in fact, this could be the nail in the coffin for my v.
esthlos: there is a collection X of diffs, a collection Y of detatched signatures of those diffs, and a collection Z of pubkeys corresponding to those patches
mod6: s it comes earlier in the flow.
mod6: Initial findings after digging into it here quickly, my V seems to have the leaves in a separate flow order than from Stan's (v99). Which, by itself, (as we've discussed before) isn't a problem per-se. It seems though that in the case here where the leaves are ordered differently, and you press (with my v (99994)) up through 'ch2_truerandom.vpatch', it also includes the 'eucrypt_mpi_fix_copy_incr.vpatch' a
phf: obviously, i didn't realize that the stake took this particular shape in this case
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the v99 behaviour is the correct one : pressing 'siblings' automagically, is a mistake; if you want the contents of both 'siblings', you oughta have a 'unifier' patch that pulls both in.
mod6: yeah, it's not good though. literally everytime someone uses it, there seems to be some sort of ... 'it doesn't work'
diana_coman: fwiw mod6 I'm rather happy you wrote it though, as it helped me a lot in the beginning when I was trying to get my head around v itself; having at least 2 implementations to compare is not a bad thing
diana_coman: mod6, no rush at all; I just reported it because unexpected to me; let me know if there is any other info I can provide to help
diana_coman: ch2 vpatch is *another* leaf, sibling of this vpatch
diana_coman: it seems I also found a difference in press behaviour between asciilifeform's v99 and mod6's v: this new vpatch of mine si correctly identified as leaf and otherwise descendant of ch1_mpi.vpatch by both v ; however, when pressing ch2 vpatch, mod6's v presses this other leaf too from what I see, while asciilifeform's v99 does not press it; to me v99's behaviour seems correct but I don't know if this is something that was discussed before
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 18:42 mircea_popescu: rooster sees hen and runs towards her. hen reflexively starts running away. after a short space the hen thinks "if i stop he'll think me a slut, if i keep running he'll think me stupid... how about i stumble."
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/21/he-tenido-una-cita-en-la-ciudad-vieja-a-lesson-in-applied-trilema/ << Bingo Blog - He Tenido Una Cita En La Ciudad Vieja: A Lesson In Applied Trilema
phf: i have to admit, my math is so weak, it's reading these papers i realized that Proper Engineering actually uses something called state-space representation for discretizing dynamic systems, and that behaviors of, say, robotic manipulators, have time independent, closed form solutions. also of explains that scene from anathem, at the workshop
asciilifeform: earlier was , them crunchings. inner loops in asm etc.
phf: there's a separate differential geometry package for non-linear dynamic systems in macsyma, likewise does analysis in macsyma, and then spits out fortran 77 code
phf: like there's a paper on a multibody simulation system "implemented in zeta-lisp on symbolics 3600" with symbolic part done in macsyma, but the "numeric simulator" is implemented in fortran-77 running on a lisp machine
asciilifeform: really the endgame of this is 'compile to fpga'
phf: teractive environment is basically there to parametrize, and then it spits out a fortran code that crunches the numbers as it is
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 18:35 asciilifeform: this is possible. when's the last time you saw a cpu-bound proggy in cl tho
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755450 << i've picked up a book in new orleans, “Symbolic computation : applications to scientific computing”, it's all macsyma and various sussman style scheme hacks for exploring dynamic systems, but an interesting trick that almost all the code uses, which i guess was sop in lisp world at some point, is to do visualization and control on a lisp machine, but do the heavy numeric simulations in fortran 77. the in
freetlas: I'm very disapointted with myself for not even being a Beginner of The Republic.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d2YLr/?raw=true << plaintxtization of the lulgem from phf's link
asciilifeform: where were these folx on '9/11' !111
trinque: asciilifeform: beauty of v is that these paths can diverge cleanly, operator can choose which lineage to press. patches appropriate for multiple lines, ground onto multiple lines.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 01:52 phf: i think correct method would really be to get the transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and then have a transaction parser in shiva itself that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever
trinque: I will post an experimental patch soon, when fit for other hands
trinque: the cut turned out to be very clean, delete wallet.h/cpp, rip all references out, and item syncs just fine. it of course breaks getmempool and GenerateBlocks, whatever else.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Likely by recognizing the damaging effect of wreckers and the despicable kind of theif. Pic unrelated, features the honorable kind of thief http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1000070-1-768x576.jpg
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 17:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, continuing the trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable that trb will become 3 things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized to keeping track of the lies and nonsense flowing through the relay network (mempool, timing nodes, what have you).
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756072 << I have already split the wallet from trb in a patch I'm testing.
shinohai: `Long Island Iced Tea shares soared 500% after the company rebranded as Long Blockchain. The decision came at 3 AM, during a long "product testing" meeting, after one executive mentioned that his son had made a lot of money on "Betcoin [sic].`
asciilifeform: rather than waiting for 10,000km of usg.cisco and usg.fiber relays to churn.
asciilifeform: theoretically a miner who gives a damn re max rake, oughta tune in when if e.g. mircea_popescu were to pump out a fat tx on sw.
asciilifeform: i'll admit ftr that this item was one of the underlying seekrit crackpotteries behind asciilifeform's interest in shortwave
asciilifeform: the 1 caveat is that if the tx dun cut through the kilometre of prb and get to china, it dun get mined
asciilifeform: 'fuck the scum'
mircea_popescu: show a need and get at the least a go ahead, ideally some help.
asciilifeform: as i understood trb historically was 'and here is bitcoin minus the post-2011 barnacles, deviate at your own risk, derps, it will still be there an' working'
mircea_popescu: there's 0 reason to think in these terms. let the self-important impotent judges-of-all-things-makers-of-nothing wash their heads with their reference rights.
mircea_popescu: no. we should not. fuck them with a barbed stick. how DARE they be anywhere but here ? and why help such scum ?
mircea_popescu: NOW, the first, and naive, thought, would be "o noes, all those poor but intelligent engineer minds who will lose their freenode ; we should try to help them"
mircea_popescu: you know FOR A FACT that it's nsa-bs, because if it weren't, they'd have sold it to me not to some obscure mortodifame.
asciilifeform: yes functionality but gotta be careful that the cut parts sum to at least the customary functionality.
asciilifeform: ideally reference-trb is capable-of-everything, incl. cpumining ( see the dozen or so threads at this point )
asciilifeform: idea is that it should not be gummable by anything that happens on the net.
asciilifeform: it'd be 'supreme court' for the whatever As connected.
asciilifeform: B in the 'cmdline' model wouldn't ever on its own power send anything, or act autonomously
mircea_popescu: then B can simply send PushGetBlocks until it falls over and entirely ignore mempool idiocy
mircea_popescu: because exactly, B is the basis of all things ; upon which basis A or C or both or neither may live.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, it can be said "it makes no sense to have A without B", which is true. though it DOES make perfect senser to have B without A, which is why they are to be cut.
mircea_popescu: and evidently the power rangers made the wrong cut. it is FINE to have a "light node" consisting of block and tx ; no spy.
asciilifeform: bash-driven, at any rate. ( still pretty massive cpp ball behind the scenes, considering that all of the remaining 'grandfather's pistol' logic lives ultimately in the is-this-an-actual-block evaluator )
asciilifeform: btw 'block node' per mircea_popescu's cut , doesn't have to be a 'daemonic' process at all, even. can run as 1shot cmdline util, that can be asked to eat a candidate-block ( and report success/failure ), or disgorge a previously-accepted block (by header , or by height) ; then terminates
asciilifeform actually has the db item, based on 'horsecocks' routine posted earlier ; but not ready for primetime and on hold pending ffa/p release
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no conceivable reason to have all these 3 items in the same place.
mircea_popescu: anyway, continuing the trinque discussion, it seems entirely unavoidable that trb will become 3 things : a wallet node, optimized for pumping out local signed tx ; a block node, optimized for keeping the blockchain, getting blocks, no mempool nonsense ; and a spy node, optimized to keeping track of the lies and nonsense flowing through the relay network (mempool, timing nodes, what have you).
freetlas: You're right. Uruguay is part of Argentina. It's just another state. :)
BingoBoingo: Anyways, accomodating the truth that most people want a friend more than I do, and letting them shoulder their share of the burden helps make BingoBoingo spanish functionally amusing in person.
BingoBoingo: Because the venezualana is too busy to deliver suffient humilation on her own.
mircea_popescu: lmao watching BingoBoingo spanish is amusing. los republica ? how many of it are there!
mircea_popescu: the db is actually fine.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: in other sads : one trb node was dead since fucking 22nd of august, because -- it ran into the fabled "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbRunRecoveryException' what(): DbEnv::txn_checkpoint: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery" which then kicked in a script to clean it up, which it did, but couldn't boot back up because for yet-unknown reasons there was a spurious .lock leftover ; corner case u
BingoBoingo: with an under 512 kbps cap, not many other nodes will want to be friends
asciilifeform: the bottom limit is what it takes to move in a block every 10m . i.e. ~2kB/s.
mircea_popescu: ie, unless you got a good reason running a centralizing node, capping the bw for the damned thing doesn't do anything observable.
asciilifeform does the arithmetic, yea mircea_popescu is prolly right
mircea_popescu: bb broadfly has it, there's a narrow sliver of bw trb/prb can even use ; more than that it generally wastes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most painful spot is prolly the bringup of new node with its 200G
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well yes, i'm aware that there is not a literal 100mb/s modem, lol
mircea_popescu: by the time your trb node eats 10 MBps even, you've more serious problems than "buy more pipe". and that's inst not sustained.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The quote is for 100 MBPS decicated symmetrical. If there's more traffic in one direction, asymetrical dedicated lines are also available.
BingoBoingo: trinque: As far as the racks themselves. Ready within 72 hours of signing a contract and paying for them, but IP address block from LACNIC will take 2 weeks from application to allocation.
mircea_popescu: we have, as the man says, A problem.
mircea_popescu: in other sads : one trb node was dead since fucking 22nd of august, because -- it ran into the fabled "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'DbRunRecoveryException' what(): DbEnv::txn_checkpoint: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery" which then kicked in a script to clean it up, which it did, but couldn't boot back up because for yet-unknown reasons there was a spurious .lock leftover ; corner case u
BingoBoingo: trinque: More slowly than I would like. The whole US citizen bullshit is giving the accountant quite a workout when it comes to making banking work to pay for the racks.
trinque: the second, stick everywhere!
trinque suddenly realises that there are two intuitive items, tit.. and cock
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's point was not 'don't turn', but 'gotta turn them knobs independently of one another, or 9000 years will not suffice'
asciilifeform: aha , ^ is how i came up with the value
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't blame the patch, only "now I have an observation which suggests touch the knob"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meaningless magic number got set to the "closest ot inexistence" available.
asciilifeform: incidentally when i wrote the versionknob patch, i did not expect that everyone here will run with ~same~ , default ver
trinque: indeed, should be tested independently of this, can possibly preserve the high version.
asciilifeform: another patch experiment whose time imho has come, is 'prod' rpc command : trigger the boot sync behaviour at arbitrary time.
trinque: should be trivial to add an rpc to change the var
asciilifeform: iirc recent prb ( as analyzed by jurov, still digging for the thread ) will simply drop you if you connect and report <0.7 .
trinque: I have the republican list in addnode and that's it.
asciilifeform: trinque: that knob is there, to be turned. i've no argument that 'version dun matter', it may well matter. but oughta be tested correctly, as indep. variable.
trinque: in the case of the version number (which I will obviously test extensively, and said so) it's possible it's a bad move to crank to maxver, because it's a lie saying "we support all misc novelties below this int"
mats: in regular practice i'm uncertain how to masquerade as prb without running a heathen node and plugging trb into that
mircea_popescu: so then.
trinque: I reported this in the log
asciilifeform: why should they get to filter us out by doing e.g. 'nothing below 0.7 can connect'
asciilifeform: trinque: this is not wrong , but it's a pov that concedes to the powerrangers the privilege of owning version#s
trinque: think for a sec, that with the high version number you're advertising support for protocol "features" you then immediately issue a ban for.
trinque: one which probably doesn't implement enough of the prb protocol to get banned
mats: and at that time i just fed those blocks back to the advertised nodes, it caught up
asciilifeform: and i'm satisfied that i found the reason for it. ( and no i do not have a ready pill, the ~algo~ is broken )
mats: i've had some luck syncing with 'btcwire' nodes, when all of the advertised nodes were ~30 blocks behind or unreachable on sunday
asciilifeform: trinque: the 1 common thread in asciilifeform's lab notes from birth of trb to today, is that once they fall behind, they stay behind, until reset. (often more than one reset.)
trinque: I was brief on details because I fully expected that others are seeing the same behavior with the trb nodes they maintain. public indexes of nodes report that just about every single one is far behind.
asciilifeform: ( see the massive log turd earlier )
asciilifeform: it isn't 'some noise', mircea_popescu , reset triggers the one and only sync-catchup routine
mircea_popescu: statistics works on anything, is the thing.
mircea_popescu: reset does add some noise ; but it can be also filtered out otherwise.
mircea_popescu: trinque i gathered you moved from knob set to x to knob set to y ; that's not the same as a "do this experiment".
mircea_popescu: yet they "agreed". but what was meant ?
mircea_popescu: trinque the problem with "mats also reported to me that his nodes *will not keep up*, ben_vulpes also" is the ambiguity attendant. two guys walk into a diner, agree that coffee sucks there -- one's a colombian, local brew is swill ; the other's from alaska, can not stand hot beverages.
asciilifeform: but did not see , e.g., 'did 7 resets with 9.999... but only the 8th, with 50400, did the trick'
BingoBoingo: Well, I just stayed a playful friendly extranjero and let the laughing and the context do the not heavy at all lifting
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 05:23 trinque: for now, I can report that setting the version number to 50400, a trb node will catch back up, txns will unstick.
trinque: I already put it in the log, what
asciilifeform: trinque: ( and this is not specific to this case ) plox to describe, in pedantic detail, the events
trinque: it is not as though I restarted the trb node once, said "oh ok, worx nao"
asciilifeform: trinque: hm plox to expand then ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 14:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755775 << i dug into this item last yr, and found that the version thing is mostly a red herring : when you set 50400, the same derps drop ~you~, a millisecond or so sooner than you would've dropped ~them~ via malleus. the real culprit is always http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702558 .
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755798 << this does *not* explain what I put in the log, though it is also a problem.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 13:30 BingoBoingo may have cheated a bit on the test leaning on the whole "animal magnetism" applied Trilema business.
BingoBoingo: Correcting a/o is what the Venezualana dentist makes her side gig doing
freetlas: gonna say the same lol
BingoBoingo: freetlas: I man the accent on the columbians con dinera sufficient por vacacciones en Pocitos, Montevideo
freetlas: BingoBoingo: It is. I mean, there are more than 4 different accents in Colombia.
mircea_popescu: can't learn the accent of a despised herd of subhuman filth.
mircea_popescu: i deliberately avoided adapting to the idiots.
BingoBoingo: When Colombians pass through the hostel though, very easy accent for my ears to process.
mircea_popescu: it's funny how ll works as j[olly]j[oker] : it's sh in the south, moves to g in colombia, it's y normally...
mircea_popescu: or rather an uruguashan accent.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> apologies for the clutter, but this item really ought to live in the permarecord. << thanks for posting this.
BingoBoingo: The only way to really learn is to move, live among the locals, then report back to one's betters
freetlas: I have not the least doubt it
asciilifeform: much of what the 'power rangers' did to their bitcoin, was an elaborate dance around this problem, with a dozen pseudosolutions that guzzled memory, and -- more importantly -- destroyed the integrity of their sync ( the orphanage bullshit, the headers-first bullshit , etc )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-04 01:11 asciilifeform: note that ProcessBlock() only ever asks ~the bastard-supplying peer~ for the bastard's prevblock.
asciilifeform: 2) inside the bastardry handler, in ProcessBlock(...) :
asciilifeform: the very FIRST connected peer who issues 'version' gets asked to help sync. and when THAT connection breaks -- that's it.
asciilifeform: // Ask the first connected node for block updates
asciilifeform: the ONLY 2 times PushGetBlocks is called ( i.e. to explicitly ASK a peer for new blocks ) is :
asciilifeform: i'ma put this in the l0gz, ftr :
asciilifeform: so trinque , yer node synced on account of being reset. as in more or less every previous case of 'my node stalled, i changed knob K, and reset, and bam! , synced , knob K must be reason' -- it's the reset.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-04 00:55 asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu , as you can probably tell, if node misses the window when $block was being actively thrown at it, then it has only these two knobs for attempting to get it
a111: Logged on 2017-03-04 00:52 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1364 and http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1735 are the only times a trb node asks for blocks explicitly from peer
a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 13:09 asciilifeform: the reason why mike_c's node appears 'stalled' is that it stopped fetching blocks. trb's block sync behaviour is unspeakably moronic, it will attempt 'long sync' ONCE, on warmup
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 05:20 trinque: the version number appears to be a factor which ends up isolating trb nodes, hypothesis being that the version number being set high invites nodes to insult the malleus patch.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755775 << i dug into this item last yr, and found that the version thing is mostly a red herring : when you set 50400, the same derps drop ~you~, a millisecond or so sooner than you would've dropped ~them~ via malleus. the real culprit is always http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702558 .
BingoBoingo: Y en otra inglesas: "In other news, The Times reported that, for the first time in modern history, no Royal Navy fighting ships – destroyers, frigates, amphibious assault ships or carriers – would be operating away from Britain over Christmas and New Year."
BingoBoingo: And the data center has sent draft contracts to review
BingoBoingo also this morning returned to the consultora to sign more forms on the road to having a bank account.
BingoBoingo may have cheated a bit on the test leaning on the whole "animal magnetism" applied Trilema business.
BingoBoingo: Spanish test a success. Was a wonderful opportunity to get forced into a prolongued stretch of not head translating. Thankfully the test was very patient and ergonomic.
trinque: and there's 500358
trinque: prior to that the lag was increasing every time I checked.
mircea_popescu: there was a lot of spam pre block 500k.
trinque: for now, I can report that setting the version number to 50400, a trb node will catch back up, txns will unstick.
trinque: the version number appears to be a factor which ends up isolating trb nodes, hypothesis being that the version number being set high invites nodes to insult the malleus patch.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755741 << I have been fighting stuck/slow transactions more frequently in the past month, leading to the last week where I have been completely unable to get connected nodes to take my txn.
shinohai: I guess the world needed a spambot for that
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 00:07 ben_vulpes: i had to laugh last night; someone at the table wanted to stake out the position that "people with downs syndrome aren't defective. you can't have defective humans!"
asciilifeform: out of curiosity, what is the context for the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755741 problem ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-21 01:38 mircea_popescu: there;s relatively little to differentiate white teenager born 1990/2000s from african teenager born at any point. which i guess was the point, or something.
ben_vulpes: "A federal judge declared a mistrial wednesay in the riminal conspiracy case against rancher Cliven Bundy and three other defendants, saying government laywers suppressed key evidence..." https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/judge-declares-mistrial-in-case-against-rancher-cliven-bundy-sons-and-militiaman/2017/12/20/49d91c24-e5c8-11e7-a65d-1ac0fd7f097e_story.html
phf: i think correct method would really be to get the transaction out as a binary array into shiva, and then have a transaction parser in shiva itself that'll break it down into a sexp or whatever
phf: that gettransaction code seems to do everything that you want, you could probably just have something like "dumptransaction <txid> <destination>" and then it'll write to destination (and bail if destination exists)
ben_vulpes: and cwallettx has the kooky IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE so it should be possible to hex to stdout through the rpc machinery?
mircea_popescu: there;s relatively little to differentiate white teenager born 1990/2000s from african teenager born at any point. which i guess was the point, or something.
ben_vulpes: even pantsuits know: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/
mircea_popescu: in short, two thirds or so of the neet population would actually meet mongoloid criteria cca 1917.
mircea_popescu: let alone the internet.
mircea_popescu: most of them are too anxious to actually answer a phonecall (too much pressure! i only talk to my parents!) ; most of them are actually unaware of the web as such.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in re smartphone, kids today have seriously diminished executive function, roughly speaking incapable of communicating in any manner other than arbitrary-app-reimplementing-irc
ben_vulpes: phf: the latter
mircea_popescu: suck it out of the add-to-mempool procedure
ben_vulpes: aside from dumping the mempool and parsing each?
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, does anyone know how to beat a trb into coughing up the actual raw transaction it sent?
ben_vulpes: actually just dug out some photos from that era, oh gracious me. macs with cameras were all the rage and boy howdy did we have fun taking photos of ourselves misbehaving.
ben_vulpes: had display on the outside, could read texts without opening the thing. had google maps; internet over cell; a marvelous little device. great camera for the time as well.
ben_vulpes: a) don't live there or care too much about barista fashion anymore b) already lead that charge by toting the mp01 for a few months c) wake me up when "i don't have facebook" is actually popular
phf: haha, that's pretty cool, reminds me of transformers my parents brought me from amsterdam in the early 90s
phf: unlike the nokia though this t139 sound quality doesn't suck, so i retract my previous statements!
a111: Logged on 2015-07-28 03:18 phf: asciilifeform: my point was that feature phones are not particularly good at their claimed purpose, that buying an old nokia is a hemingwriter, and compared to them iphone has a good sound quality.
phf: i recently threw out a perfectly working dual-sim nokia something or other, because i thought i lost the battery, but just yesterday i discovered that i had whole two batteries stored elsewhere.