asciilifeform often tries to picture what kind of software would have been written under stalin, if there had been on-what
mircea_popescu: but hey, by now the stuff of "bitcoin is backed by nothing, stick to dollars" is well stale i'd guess.
mircea_popescu: well, in typical manner of usgtronic cargocultism, they pretend to themselves as a captive audience that they've embraced&extended successfully.
mircea_popescu: they have this in bdsm too, you know, rabid idiots doing "scenes", where they pretend like they're doing it.
mircea_popescu: "the linux way" works for as long as.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
mircea_popescu: or rather, ad-hoc modularization, in point of fact yet another necessarily failed attempt to go out of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268
asciilifeform: it is theoretically possible to write a correct module, but prolly not by homo-phpicus.
asciilifeform: ( and can't simply use the html escape notation, because it gets literalized by the code-formatter )
asciilifeform: well how would it dwim. gotta offer an explicit escape. and the thing, apparently, doesn't.
asciilifeform: author, apparently, did not give it any ability to distinguish 'standalone double-quote because actually need it' from 'idjit user forgot to close the " '
mircea_popescu: better escape everything than special-escape some and then be stranded.
asciilifeform: ( being a code formatter, it naively insists on colouring the inside of the double-quotes... )
asciilifeform: the as-is incurably kills it, because unpaired quote.
asciilifeform: i'ma prolly have to rewrite the code-formatter plugin thing, it insists on autoprocessing to emplace the escapes, but does not do ~mismatched~ double-quotes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this one isn't a wp problem per se, it's interaction b/w wp and the colorizer thing
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 14:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757842 << the wp 'code' plugin is massive headache, i've been fighting it since ch1 . ( e.g in ch4 i had to replace the " in ('"') with a similar-looking uniturd, because double-escape is apparently impossible )
shinohai: Why have I never seen this gem before? https://woz-u.com/ "Woz U provides a personalized approach to coding and tech education designed to get you through the curriculum faster so that you can get into the workforce quicker, and start changing the world."
asciilifeform: the current test on zoolag, however, is mighty interesting: after floundering in a sea of prb for ~hour, thing's been loading blocks almost continuously. at this rate will actually sync in a week or so.
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'aggression' patch is apparently ~the~ pill against what ailed zoolag; 482253 -> 484621 in ~12hr , previously that was 3-4 day's worth
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 04:51 mircea_popescu: then once that's established "fish in the sad patches bin" can go into the "how to participate" list
asciilifeform: ( i.e. nothing ~inside~ the vpatch, suffers )
asciilifeform: ^ this in re: to the ~www~ text strictly !!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 06:43 phf: asciilifeform: your blog renderer throws a space after < in -- Less-Than part (which is not in the patch)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757842 << the wp 'code' plugin is massive headache, i've been fighting it since ch1 . ( e.g in ch4 i had to replace the " in ('"') with a similar-looking uniturd, because double-escape is apparently impossible )
asciilifeform: congrats to phf , the 1st winner of ch4 puzzler.
phf: asciilifeform: your blog renderer throws a space after < in -- Less-Than part (which is not in the patch)
mircea_popescu: then once that's established "fish in the sad patches bin" can go into the "how to participate" list
phf: asciilifeform: i put your http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks into http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental, it's a bit messy down there though (heyo), because of a bunch of broken polarbeard patches. i didn't move them to deprecated, because i assume we might still want to regrind them
trinque: same idiots that all type "h" to each other, line noise for brain.
shinohai: I just love these types "trying to find out exactly what is going on here cause i haven't got a god damn clue" but "Nope, can't read logs, boring."
asciilifeform: neur0: consider reading the logs ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is a not-so-interesting path to travel. on it we soon arive to "topsort is req'd util, lives on the box".
mircea_popescu: i'm sure. nevertheless...
asciilifeform: usa 'restaurants' are getting , slowly, to where folx will be carryin' folding forks in their boots again
asciilifeform: keccak is a req'd util , lives on the box
mircea_popescu: as long as it ships with keccak i don't care what other nonsense i will never read is included by possibility.
mircea_popescu: there's ~no reason to have legacy DSA sigs in tmsr-rsa ; similarilyt why would i support sha2 in v ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the history stays, i'm sure. why not ?
mircea_popescu: if they are, and ONLY if they are, they can stfu and regrind everything until i get bored of it.
asciilifeform: otherwise it gets repeated.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, should they be amenable to sucking a lot of cock labeled inconvenience.
asciilifeform: tools get updated, idiocies removed, etc. but the HISTORY gotta stay.
mircea_popescu: it is THEIR FAULT that such a wish can not currently be granted.
mircea_popescu: people who want their work of today to stand ~forever are more than welcome to quit "programming", pick up assassination as a vocation, go murder everyone with a wikipedia article / mentioned on hacker news.
mircea_popescu: moreover, glacial timescales do not work nor are they useful. once the decision to not wait until 2075 when alf could shat a monolithic world is made, in then follows we will be producing prototype tools and improving upon them.
mircea_popescu: the time for revered ancients is not fucking 2017.
mircea_popescu: i have ~0 interest to bake into permanent history either polarbeard or punkman.
asciilifeform: the constant and entirely unnecessary reset of history is imho urbit-like and a Bad Thing. e.g. polarbeard ain't coming back to regrind his patches, nor is punkman
trinque: has the algo in viewer though
asciilifeform: i didn't either, for 1st hr or so
ben_vulpes still rereading whole thread in light of the past few days happenings
a111: Logged on 2015-11-14 02:10 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the press algo must then press all same-tree-level leaves for the given leaf, correct?
ben_vulpes: i think i just tripped over the multiple-leaves thing as well, had asciilifeform's wires in my patchset
Guest98415: and then get paid?
Guest98415: So you want me to upload the picutre
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other string theory, http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2c3bwC2UL1qetcz3o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: many stopped there. slow block.
mircea_popescu: the block propagation thing is faring poorly of late.
mircea_popescu: trinque no looking at what the status of what i think'd likely be your nodes seems to be
trinque: mircea_popescu: lookin on the website? if so that's a timestamp indicating when the page itself was last regenerated.
mircea_popescu: for as long as you have other trbs up to speed to support you. but still, useful mod.
asciilifeform: ftr 'aggression' is apparently paying off, 200blox caughtup in <1hr, which previously took 4-5hrs (in the 400k's, to be specific)
mircea_popescu needs frequent breaks for watching naked girlie put away the veuve cliquots and whatnots.
mircea_popescu: the naked eye being not a conceptual eye.
asciilifeform: well, when verification took 3s instead of 3min, problem was not visible to the idjit's naked eye
mircea_popescu: but the problem with windows-moder-computerpropellerhead is that he expects items to work correcty in whichever braindamaged manner he expects to use them
asciilifeform: ( that , e.g., barrierizes reads correctly, rather than blocking completely )
asciilifeform: and in order for this not to be the case, you need a sane db
asciilifeform: more exactly, for so long as it is verifying a block, it is dead-in-the-water
mircea_popescu: correct design would have prioritized block delivery over txn delivery, at the delivery point
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757669 << the mempool insanity is really a close order approximation of ddos in the first place.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757667 << well what were they to do, engage in wager of combat ?
asciilifeform: whoever has the resources to test this : plox to write in.
asciilifeform: this is testable empirically; like-so: any N trb nodes built with 'aggression' patch above, and linked via 'wires', should never fall out of height-sync with one another by more than a coupla blox. at any point.
asciilifeform: theoretically (!) this should make 'wires' (see last feb. log) actually work-as-intended. ( asciilifeform not yet tried. )
asciilifeform: analysis so far : ^^item^^ results , at last , in situation where any 2 trb nodes, and 1 is 'ahead' of the other, the 'trailing' node is guaranteed to be fed.
asciilifeform: btw kudos to jurov , his http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/post/btc-dev widget worked on first trigger pull !!
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000281.html
BigTexasBingo: Two cars clipped each other in front of the hostel and the girl driver swerved post collision into power pole
phf: asciilifeform: there's no repo, but i tracked down source if you're curious. https://sourceforge.net/projects/moderndvi/files/ 40mb .NET project
trinque: got the flag to log to stdout set
asciilifeform: trinque: how's that work with the default log mechanism ?
trinque: asciilifeform: svlogd is providing them
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque where didja get the log-timestamps in your trb ? ( which patch pressed to ? )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 18:43 phf: ng increasing compatibil- ity issues with modern systems. In this paper, we describe ModernDvi, a new DVI viewer Windows Store application, offering high quality and fast ren- dering, wait-free, outperforming existing solutions in these areas."
mircea_popescu: one of the many items of not-really-interest one picks up in trad ro village packaging with anthropology.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 19:34 mircea_popescu: break a clydesdale's whippletree, they will...
BingoBoingo: And if anyone wants accomodations in Uruguay that aren't a hostel, la ciudad vieja is full of ancient $45 a night places with rather grand architecture.
mircea_popescu: no estan muy gordas - they aren't very fat. no estas muchas gordas = you dear reader aren't many fat women.
BingoBoingo: Anyways it's not like mircea_popescu level mystical domination superpowers, but it's a profoundly different experience from being a local in the US
mircea_popescu: break a clydesdale's whippletree, they will...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well, the sort of tankette las mujeres they have in latinolands... it's understandable.
BingoBoingo: And in other joyous sights of the season, saw my first child beggar today pestering me for "un moneda", the fellow in the orange vest whose job I've not figured out yet had a roaring laugh as "No entiendo." "No se, que es un moneda" and then I walked off.
BingoBoingo: Over La Navidad, will be online infrequently, but reading logs religiously. After la Navidad will continue pushing business formation and intensify the cultural and language immersion experience
BingoBoingo: trinque: Fleeting thoughts. But no, was walking the mall in search of un libro para aprender Ingles and saw the Caterpillar store selling... outdoors sort of sporty stuff for las mueres
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757613 << the 2nd item is not also knuth is it ?!
mircea_popescu: the part where neither the "main banner" nor "clinton" illustration exist anymore is subsidiarily such delicious linkrot satire...
mircea_popescu: aaand in other "pravda always makes better read years later", http://edition.cnn.com/US/9705/18/clinton.aids.pm/index.html
phf: "First, all exist- ing viewers are now considered legacy software: they have been designed for decades-old operating systems and do not meet modern requirements regarding soft- ware, hardware, interface, and usability in general."
phf: ng increasing compatibil- ity issues with modern systems. In this paper, we describe ModernDvi, a new DVI viewer Windows Store application, offering high quality and fast ren- dering, wait-free, outperforming existing solutions in these areas."
phf: from the same tex publication: knuth "The index to Digital Typography lists eleven pages where the importance of stability is stressed, and I urge all maintainers of TEX and to read them again every few years." elsewhere "TEX users have long relied on the device independent file format (DVI) to preview their documents while editing. However, innovation has been scarce in this area, and users have to rely on years-old, or even decades-old software, faci
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:59 BingoBoingo: In other news, the caterpillar store in Montevideo Shopping emphatically does NOT sell earthmoving equipment
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757357 << this is an iffy point m'lord. i have a slavegirl that washes the floors ; the floors is where the cockroaches go. should she be punished ?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757419 << remains to be seen if they're idle for lack of leadership or lack of spine.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:56 danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque my 1.5 deposit from the other day finally confirmed, i hope that still gets to my balance
mircea_popescu: decisions that say great things for them, but unfortunately courts mostly find ways around actually upholding those great things." <<->> http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#selection-195.1-197.53
mircea_popescu: oad. Well Kansas decided it was going to impose its own tax on fuel distributors, that they were free to pass on to their customers. The tribe argues that the tax should not apply to it because federal indian law preempts state law and because it impinges on the tribe's sovereign immunity. My from the gut prediction is that the Court will REVERSE, just because native Americans really have bad luck at the Court. They have some
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "No. 04-0631 Wagnon v. Prarie Band Potawatomi Nation. This case concerns a tribe of native Americans in Kansas who have a casino on their reservation. If I understand the facts correctly, there is one road that goes to the casino, and one gas station (the "Nation Station") on that road. As you might guess the gas station primarily sells gas to casino goers. The tribe imposes a tax on the gas that pays for the r
asciilifeform: or disgorge, via any means short of full bore crack, anything previously written therein , as a file
mircea_popescu: THE BOUNDLESS HUMAN INGENUITY EXISTING!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, and when chinese mp3trons did better job, with 0 proprietary crapware needed to mount, and for 1/5th the price..
mircea_popescu: back when the ipod nano was hot.
mircea_popescu: pity there's no qntra to qntra it on.
shinohai ducks at the brick asciilifeform will likely throw when he admits to using knoppix .....
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2kLX3/?raw=true << complete list of the nonsense, if anyone cares ; all from 185.100.222.123 (who did burn ~30GB worth of bw overnight to poke at trilema for reasons.)
asciilifeform: ( needless to say , they are sold diskless )
asciilifeform: the good one.
asciilifeform: these are sold by scrap dealers
shinohai: btw, from logs the other day, was wondering if asciilifeform could link to examples of this: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wyse
mircea_popescu: kinda why i even bothered putting it in the log / why i look for weird in the mega webfilter that is trilema. you never know when a magical packet pops up, they're like tachyons these things.
shinohai: antikytherium
asciilifeform: shinohai: if you can read the hands, can say, clock aint wholly broken... antikytheria clock wrong all day.
mircea_popescu: in other "furious activity as cover for impotence", the string "&nslookup djY7ekWd&'\\\"`0&nslookup djY7ekWd&`'" is going to do something! maybe as a referrer ? maybe if you stuff it into a comment ? IT IS A MAGICALLY POWERFUL STRING!
mircea_popescu: eh, network's unreliable in pretty much all the ways.
asciilifeform: i'ma stfu and let the folx who actually tx every day, comment
shinohai: Happy Festivus to all my fellow heathens
asciilifeform: send the 2nd, naturally, to self
BingoBoingo: But last time such happened there was at least one miner looking a couple transactions ahead for fees
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or could send doublespend, that always seems to get the original moving!1!!
BingoBoingo: A couple times migrating machines, I've forgot to implement sane fee and had to tack on a heft fee for a transaction involving the change to get shit moving
BingoBoingo: In other news, the caterpillar store in Montevideo Shopping emphatically does NOT sell earthmoving equipment
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: anybody got 2 trb-capable boxen, on separate ip but equal in bw ? can be in heathendom isp or wherever.
BingoBoingo: <blazeme8> well, i'm not interested in linking a 'real' identity. perhaps this is a waste of time. << The time one could take their time on this matter was 2013
mircea_popescu: oh is that what it is ? usure you didn't overstake for the sake of imagined outcomes ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757338 << you know you're supposed to plan these for yourself so you yourself can then execute them! if you can't do it for yourself, what hope has any peon working under your management ? eh ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757415 << problem is that i'ma peon meself, in the saeculum, and all plans presume avgcase peonage load per time unit
mircea_popescu: fucking canada. pretending to be a country, unqualified on the force of its inhabitants to be a deserted island.
mircea_popescu: jesus shit the cardboard experts tardworld keeps "producing" in name only.
mircea_popescu: people let spies act unhindered ALL THE TIME. for the perfectly fine obvious reason.
mircea_popescu: "Livermore said it would be totally irresponsible for the Ukrainians to allow Yezhov to participate in an official delegation if they had suspicions he might be a spy." << dude get the fuck out, total fucktarded imbecile.
asciilifeform does not own a 'kurta', they are at this point museum-level rarity
mircea_popescu: shinohai actually the us only has 90mn or so households iirc.
shinohai: 1/2 the US!
mircea_popescu: ye olde sunfunction clocks, rite ? some of the best piles of fine gnarl the world has ever seen
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants a very specific function, he gotta say algebraically which. and the pile of gears will get gnarlier, quite quickly ...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757425 << on meditation i will have to withdraw this objection. even if he didn't say what i wanted him to, solution is still correct (because there's no difference between "average stepped up 2x" and "difference" if you make sure the gears always run opposite)
asciilifeform: and yes it means that every time you publish a sig, you also thereby supply a 'decryption' for some random string of soup
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 15:56 mircea_popescu: (if memory serves the original split, design choice made late 1990s, was due to either suspicion or reality that either sign or decrypt possibly leaked bits ; the idea of separate keys is not even bad, necessarily, but this does NOT say anything positive about a clunky, ad hoc, untransparent and machine-automagical key hierarchy system. so basically, people probably will have at least two keys in tmsr-rsa, except they won't b
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone know the ancient watt meter ? two pendulums with coiled wire.
mircea_popescu: there can not exist such a thing as a perfectly homogenuous bar of steel for the exact reason there can not exist a perfectly detailed etch on its surface.
mircea_popescu: there's plenty. dilation, unhomogenity of material, necessarily imprecise workmanship, errors compound
asciilifeform: b/w object that is imperfect because of limitations of the materials, and one that is broken because of limitations of the designer, who was dropped as a child
shinohai: Thermal expansion being major factor in inaccuracy of mechanical things
asciilifeform: there's a quite substantial difference
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: physically, known-imperfectly tho. rather than 'js soup'-imperfectly.
mircea_popescu: clocks worked imperfectly even then.
asciilifeform: it was the kompyooting of its time. except : actually worked...
mircea_popescu: !#s antikythera
asciilifeform: iirc the artillery people did it with worm gear differential
mircea_popescu: (this incidentally is fascinating to the historian of computing because obviously analogic computers work on crankboxes)
mircea_popescu: there may be several ways, but differential won't do it.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 15:44 mircea_popescu: here's a thing for the mechanical engineers in da hous, ben_vulpes asciilifeform and who ye might be : given two driving pegs A, B, how do you turn a spoke C such that it realises the DIFFERENTIAL A-B ?
shinohai: Did anyone here ever read the Bitcoin wallet plugin for gribble? I don't think it was updated (or in actual use anywhere!) but I think I remember axing it from jhvh1 because you could query any users balance with it.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 09:34 trinque: anyhow weevlos, and all you miserable, worthless 4chan fucks. the fact of the matter is there's less than one part per million worthwhile human being on this wretched planet, and while I spent my evening drinking pinot noir and chatting with a worthwhile lass that bought me Feynman's Lectures on Physics for xmas, you spent it pulling your dick on social media. when the world turns over, you will have much
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757357 << this is an iffy point m'lord. i have a slavegirl that washes the floors ; the floors is where the cockroaches go. should she be punished ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 09:27 trinque: does appear that when using the gentoo musltronic patches, the step from 6 -> 5 -> 4 gcc is necessary.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757338 << you know you're supposed to plan these for yourself so you yourself can then execute them! if you can't do it for yourself, what hope has any peon working under your management ? eh ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757329 << nah, gribble auth was mostly fixed last split ; then gribble was going to be upgraded and never actually was.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 02:20 trinque: just pointing out that I might be corrupting the youfs by not taking a firmer line on "put a sane single key into deedbot and always have it, or proceed by the *only* mechanism to change key, or die"
mircea_popescu: then again, in due time you'll disover the ~other~ thing was a waste of time, odds are.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as nude birth nor there yet was in the history of the world. everyone's born with some shit between his eyes.
mircea_popescu: blazeme8 ah, no ratings. aite, lessee... what do you do, other than "downtime rocks" ?
blazeme8: when I PM the bot !!up, it says:
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 06:54 mircea_popescu: Techman say /query deedbot to open a pm session ; say !!up in there to it ; then return !!v the string.
blazeme8: ty... i thought i'd be able to do that myself through the bot...?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 02:16 BigTexasBingo: In other updates. Chica not requesting an assistance related to the bag snatching, but wants to cook dinner. Uruguay, fuck yeah!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757320 << hey, i played with what must've been 38G! boobies last night, and the girl carrying them in the world was all shy and had never seen herself liek, prancing naked around the house. fuck yea latin america, pais de los tetonas lecheras!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 02:10 shinohai: ( otherwise shinohai does not know for what purpose this exercise was done! )
mircea_popescu: (if memory serves the original split, design choice made late 1990s, was due to either suspicion or reality that either sign or decrypt possibly leaked bits ; the idea of separate keys is not even bad, necessarily, but this does NOT say anything positive about a clunky, ad hoc, untransparent and machine-automagical key hierarchy system. so basically, people probably will have at least two keys in tmsr-rsa, except they won't b
mircea_popescu: so in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757315 which is on the face very sane, we are in fact in the situation of an undesirably very complex policy already. yet another examplke of what tmsr-rsa is intended to fix.
mircea_popescu: so in practical nonsense as grandfathered in, we posited already an equivalency so that if 1. something signed by 2FB7B452 and 2. somethinf decrypted by 16B8E32E then therefore 1 = 2 in terms of cryptoproof strength.\
mircea_popescu: then to add insult to injury "picks the right one" also "automatically" at "any time"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 01:55 trinque: in the past I have only ever made *any* changes to the deedbot keychain if the person can prove control of both keys, old and new.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757314 << the principal fucking problem with the rank nonsense we're using is that idiocy of "subkey". consider mine : if you encrypt to 2FB7B452 which ~is~ my key, gpg will nevertheless encrypt to 16B8E32E. because gpg will use the master as sign-only and create a "decryption" key "automatically".
mircea_popescu: here's a thing for the mechanical engineers in da hous, ben_vulpes asciilifeform and who ye might be : given two driving pegs A, B, how do you turn a spoke C such that it realises the DIFFERENTIAL A-B ?
trinque: more to answer for than the people of walmart
trinque: anyhow weevlos, and all you miserable, worthless 4chan fucks. the fact of the matter is there's less than one part per million worthwhile human being on this wretched planet, and while I spent my evening drinking pinot noir and chatting with a worthwhile lass that bought me Feynman's Lectures on Physics for xmas, you spent it pulling your dick on social media. when the world turns over, you will have much
trinque: well. that keybinding is clearly too close to another.
trinque: maybe what ends up happening is that I produce a "stage 3" that's already had this nonsense done to it, though obviously there's value in preserving the lineage (in form of a build script) from gentoo to cuntoo.
trinque: does appear that when using the gentoo musltronic patches, the step from 6 -> 5 -> 4 gcc is necessary.
asciilifeform: trinque: i must note, my gentoo is ordinary, rather than musltronic
trinque: asciilifeform: you didn't do anything other than remove the gcc-5.x step in my recipe, and worked?
asciilifeform: otherwise you will have no end of folx begging for 'just one' exception , and in the end devolve to socially-engineerable usgism
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 02:20 trinque: just pointing out that I might be corrupting the youfs by not taking a firmer line on "put a sane single key into deedbot and always have it, or proceed by the *only* mechanism to change key, or die"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757327 << the important bit ( and iirc i emphasized this in the lamport piece ) is to agree IN ADVANCE
asciilifeform: ( it will be obvious to the reader, why. but i'll keep it a fun surprise )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 02:21 trinque: it's a rot that flows from relying on gpg, and I've thus far considered that tightening around asciilifeform's P is the appropriate time for it.
trinque: the relationship to the wallet is also important to consider. wallet and deedbot do not share state, beyond deedbot initially communicating a (key, nick) pair to wallet. at that time, of course, the wallet is empty.
trinque: anyhow, there's no signing auth mechanism, and I don't want to feature creep the thing. I will however change a key for anybody that demonstrates control of both.
trinque: it's a rot that flows from relying on gpg, and I've thus far considered that tightening around asciilifeform's P is the appropriate time for it.
trinque: just pointing out that I might be corrupting the youfs by not taking a firmer line on "put a sane single key into deedbot and always have it, or proceed by the *only* mechanism to change key, or die"
shinohai: no need for bickering VIII: The Kochaclypse
BigTexasBingo: It also matters what key signed the parachute
trinque: I've helped people work around the gpg idiocy in the past (expiration dates) because.. gpg idiocy.
trinque: shinohai: whatever ends up being ok, the ok list needs to get defined and permanently bound.
BigTexasBingo: In other updates. Chica not requesting an assistance related to the bag snatching, but wants to cook dinner. Uruguay, fuck yeah!
shinohai: ( otherwise shinohai does not know for what purpose this exercise was done! )
trinque: in the past I have only ever made *any* changes to the deedbot keychain if the person can prove control of both keys, old and new.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 00:02 joecool: correct, for whatever reason this smartcard would not allow me to import my other subkeys
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757276 << kinda iffy on how to handle this. if I understand, you've got one subkey with you; the default deedbot's gpg wants to use is not with you.
joecool: Hey, I’ll be back in a little bit but you probably saw the log
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-167.163-167.231 basically.
BingoBoingo: Well yeah, funding him makes them respectable
mircea_popescu: i thought the state of new york/federal budget were mostly funding his flailing.
mircea_popescu: what, cuz he fucked that ugly azn kid his dumb wife imported for the purpose ?
shinohai: aha it always seemed to me the Eastern tradition had a more acute grasp of the human condition.
BingoBoingo: the thrashing
mircea_popescu: eh, i'm sure he'll be fine. eastern church a lot less hysterical, and besides, what's the big deal ? female slavery was the tradition anyway.
shinohai: iffn they had any xD
shinohai: It warms my heart then to know you are who you are, and likely are shocking their puritan sensibilities.
shinohai: Ah ty mircea_popescu ... slowly making these linguistical connections.
joecool: in gribble's case i have the choice between eauth/everify (requires that I decrypt) and auth/verify (requires signing)