a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 14:29 asciilifeform: actually this is a mega-snoar, looks like the makers used 100% western toolchain, even macrocells
asciilifeform: ru, for instance, pointedly ~did~ gabriel_laddelize the elbrus.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was hammer-in-face obvious after the ~original~ rowhammer demo
mircea_popescu: what are you the engineer for!
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 15:37 asciilifeform: 'With the page table splitting patches merged, it becomes necessary for the kernel to flush these caches every time the kernel begins executing, and every time user code resumes executing. For some workloads, the effective total loss of the TLB lead around every system call leads to highly visible slowdowns: @grsecurity measured a simple case where Linux “du -s” suffered a 50% slowdown on a
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762316 << Perhaps in March after more crashing, S.NSA can fab a MIPs board not too uncompetitive with the "patched" AMD/Intelium
mircea_popescu: anyway. the attempted de-speakabilization of the item previously discussed as "spread your legs and think of the empire" would pretty much be the ~only "cultural contribution" of the new wannabe angloempire over the old one.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> best thing for all the sysco outlets out there, legal pot. << Other back on mind worry is that perhaps the legal pot thing is slowing down the population here
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought nordstrom is for like, blond girls that play volleyball << Nordstrom is alt-walmart for babushkas that imagine themselves "rich"
asciilifeform: 'With the page table splitting patches merged, it becomes necessary for the kernel to flush these caches every time the kernel begins executing, and every time user code resumes executing. For some workloads, the effective total loss of the TLB lead around every system call leads to highly visible slowdowns: @grsecurity measured a simple case where Linux “du -s” suffered a 50% slowdown on a
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu is very fucking happy to see other people can apparently secrete these wonders, i was starting to suspect http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761935 issues. << It took substantial reading, and re-reading. For the definition of cash used in the standard... There is simply no way USD counts as cash
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well no, he still has what's left of a pile of cash << The pile is sufficient for just about everything except renting the rack.
mircea_popescu: ie, if "eu sunt mic nu stiu nimic" ISNT specifically female and in general a mark of inferiority, but rather "unspeakable" and therefore universal, well heck, vote hillary!
mircea_popescu: and also why the pretense that rape "hurts" the woman somehow ~entirely rests on the pretense that the linus behaviour "doesn't exist", which is part and parcel of empire trying to hijack it for its own ends.
mircea_popescu: it is after all both the normal and the intended survival device for historical women
mircea_popescu: which, for the record, is the fundamental feminine device, so much so as to mark a psyche for femaleness in the exact manner cunts mark a body for femaleness
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> rly/mid jan it should be coming out the other end, seals & decorations applied. << This is a comfort
mircea_popescu: generally, it's powered by "eu sunt mic nu stiu nimic" ie selective disavowal of existence, identity and a notion of self in the cucks.
asciilifeform: selective disclosure of 0days to benefit empire -- same as any other wetwork for empire
asciilifeform: it isn't even clear to me how linus -- supposing that he participates in the coverups -- differs from e.g. florian weimer et al
asciilifeform: linked strictly for the responsibledisclosurism cancer implicit in any such embargo.
asciilifeform: in other heathen lulz, http://archive.is/QmV5G >> 'there is presently an embargoed security bug impacting apparently all contemporary CPU architectures that implement virtual memory, requiring hardware changes to fully resolve'
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 06:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, hershey, nestle and the rest of the scum have been lobbying to be permitted to replace the milk fat with margerine for what, decades now.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 02:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762131 << ro is very streamlined, from memory specialist accountat/lawyer will get everything together in about a week ; in the us the ~same service (well not really, but anyway) is available online even, takes maybe a coupla weeks till the secretary of state of X (delaware amirite) "signs" the whatevers. im guessing if he finally got everything packaged with local accountant mid dec that ea
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762161 <- ugh, I'd never have described ro as streamlined; I get what you mean though and at least the holidays certainly froze everything over there
diana_coman: my invoice seems to be for 1 according to deedbot instead of the correct 7660ecu i.e. 0.00000766; lobbes can you check that?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/in-which-naranjo-is-a-place-and-other-things/ << Trilema - In which Naranjo is a place and other things
ben_vulpes: no lobbying necessary it turns out, just make 'chocolate' for vegans, call it 'chocolate' and them 'vegans' instead of 'poor and deluded'
mircea_popescu: anyway, hershey, nestle and the rest of the scum have been lobbying to be permitted to replace the milk fat with margerine for what, decades now.
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean you're not hungry, and even if you were you wouldn't eat the shit we peddle ?!? here, have a bowl!"
trinque: give 'em legal weed and they'll eat anything
mircea_popescu: btw, shouldn't chocolate be illegal in the us ?
ben_vulpes: just statsheet yrself up a personality, the kit even comes with stamps and an ink pad!
mircea_popescu: i thjought white guys shop at the gap
ben_vulpes: what you think i don't shop at target because some confusion of hairshirt ethics and economics? no, they sell plastic trash, that's why i don't.
mircea_popescu: good thing same exact thing's not entirely just as true in southern cali or the outskirts of seattle then.
mircea_popescu: go to montgomery. leave tonight, can have 13 yo prostitute sucking you off with her friend before sun goes down on the horizon again
mircea_popescu: human culture is entirely dependent on these transmission processes, if you don't work & fuck the kids they'll exterminate you when they come of age, and for the proper reason : you're little more than a bug to them.
mircea_popescu: for the record -- it's deeply idiotic to try and prevent children from working. about as stupid as trying to prevent them from fucking adults, actually.
mircea_popescu: when the fuck did that happen. or rather, WHERE ? same alt-universe where "isis was defeated ; war in afghanistan won ; war on drugs victories" etcetera i expect ?
ben_vulpes: but afaik you are correct in that the formulation hasta be "if you can't raise them as a +ev proposition, you didn't have any business doing it in the first place" and just like everything else of +/- ev in this world, there is only one way to know if you can pull it off
ben_vulpes: tangentially related, i was browsing the pantsuit history of victory in eradication of child labor just last night!
mircea_popescu: (this is mostly needed for the illusion of the female state to be maintained -- you can bet your sweet ass, literally speaking, that if there's money to be made in childbearing there's no "right of choice", nor does "no means yes, yes means yes, anal means we'll burn you at the stake" need any stating for how obvious it is)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 04:08 ben_vulpes: why is it insane to not waste the resources on the quite likely -ev project of progeny?
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is basically "hey, middle earth worked for the oxford gang, nothing else worked in the post-war period, might as well apply it. what choice do we have ?"
mircea_popescu: the most positive light to shine upon political hacks such as curtis yarvin would be that they "continue" this decay.
mircea_popescu: ular conventions ("simple english" titles that admit a direct and somewhat meaningful interpretation while also referencing literary cannon, generally layeredly [there's both a modern poem as well as an item of that name in the instant case]), but not universally terrible.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i had no idea anyone actually read bobbitt. for the sake of likbezing -- the last gasp of the western academic tradition (rip 1999, "bologna declaration") was this pile of cvasi-blog publications, trying to bring together what (scant) was left of scholarly knowledge and the limited forms of public consumption still vaguely functional. they're rather immediately evident for their structure, reference tree, even the tit
mircea_popescu: ah, nm, it was apparently in http://trilema.com/2016/cia-factbook-the-most-serene-republic/#footnote_2_68314
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 03:55 ben_vulpes: myup that is 'the website' alrighty
ben_vulpes: why is it sane to stay in the drafty and mouldering ruin your family left and insane to go abroad plundering?
esthlos: as in, it's the only sane solution
esthlos: ben_vulpes: I don't claim that people actually acted for the benefit of their lineage, but that they understood that they should
ben_vulpes: dunno that i buy it, esthlos, the misery of enemies and the pleasure of their women is historically a pretty strong motivator
ben_vulpes: myup that is 'the website' alrighty
revnja: so my inquiry is what syntax do I need to utilize for the bot to voice me?
revnja: i'm a guy that registered an rsa key with deedbot but for the life of me cannot get it to provide a challenge for voice
BigTexasBingo: Glad the spending tangibles thing was intelligible.
BigTexasBingo: And I decided fuck it, time to learn some Portuguese. Apparently the Brasileras don't stick around all year
BigTexasBingo: It is, for checking news on the throne
trinque: wasn't a long-term proposal, thought the guy was blocked on paying somebody. I'm sure BingoBoingo's moving things along.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-25 19:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record and in case it isn't entirely self-evident on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758486 : whenever some self-proclaimed "sovereign" of the fiat sort tries to say "hey, we have a law", the correct response is to a) point out to that self-proclaimed faux sovereign that there exist other just as valid because just as self-proclaimed faux sovereigns (the eu, russia, china, whatever, bucnha them
mircea_popescu: then again illinois has been fucked for a long time.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 21:58 ben_vulpes: in other words meaning things news, california is aiming to allow its subjects to voluntarily donate to a state charity and have that count as a credit towards the tax bill in order to preserve its deductibility at the federal level
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762138 << wtf no, why would you involve the idiot empire in all this.
mircea_popescu: xmas-newyear combo in latin lands is at least 10 days worth of hole, they gotta firework these people.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 21:38 diana_coman: I thought you had found the needed local person for it after some fumbling or did I get that part wrong?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762131 << ro is very streamlined, from memory specialist accountat/lawyer will get everything together in about a week ; in the us the ~same service (well not really, but anyway) is available online even, takes maybe a coupla weeks till the secretary of state of X (delaware amirite) "signs" the whatevers. im guessing if he finally got everything packaged with local accountant mid dec that ea
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 21:26 trinque: sure, just trying to get you to answer the questions that people will have before wanting to sign on the line.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 21:18 trinque: BingoBoingo: will the ISP be providing machines to rent, or are all customers expected to ship their own?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-01#1762111 << it'll evidently need moar money to actually buy machines ; as uruguay is not specifically known as a center of iron production the machines will have to be shipped in anyway. so practically speaking, customer that is lazy/unconnected can definitely have machine produced for him, but if one's atop the game shipping his own iron hurts nothing.
mircea_popescu is very fucking happy to see other people can apparently secrete these wonders, i was starting to suspect http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761935 issues.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-01 20:26 ben_vulpes: well now i'm listening to the beatles because a raffi cover of octopus' garden came on and i'd rather listen to the beatles and totally not 'cause y'all are a bunch of judgemental terrorists
ben_vulpes: in other words meaning things news, california is aiming to allow its subjects to voluntarily donate to a state charity and have that count as a credit towards the tax bill in order to preserve its deductibility at the federal level
BingoBoingo: The voice in my head suggesting "Muy tranquilo could be code for lazy, and they get away with it by pointing across the river to Argentina" has started to get more weight this week.
BingoBoingo: Of course it's possible the local department of approving papers has been stoned since the expocannabis and fucked off all of december for holidays
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Hence the prayers
BingoBoingo: trinque: Their standard contract specifies wires to Itau bank
trinque: there are credit cards without foreign exchange fees.
diana_coman: honestly, it all sounds to me so deja-vu in the style of "soon" meaning anything at all but usually a loong time (possibly unless oiled) and forms to fill similar "hoops for no-connections person"
trinque: can't grab one of those international amex accounts and pay the dc with that?
diana_coman: question is what leverage the press really has
BingoBoingo: Then the bank account matter is something they've brought me in several times to fill out forms for.
BingoBoingo: I found an accountant. They are insisting the government should have the paperwork approved soon, but they haven't been too forthcoming on details.
diana_coman: I thought you had found the needed local person for it after some fumbling or did I get that part wrong?
diana_coman: so the bank account? or creating a business? and why/what exactly in more detail?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The current bottleneck is getting set up as a business with a bank account.
diana_coman: what is the current bottleneck anyway? I can't seem to find it in clear in there or previous posts, am I missing something?
BingoBoingo: Well, it depends on where the prayers are going
BingoBoingo: Rates can be expected to decrease if network connectivity gets cheaper, or if two racks or filled they could start to go down on the volume of things.
trinque: sure, just trying to get you to answer the questions that people will have before wanting to sign on the line.
BingoBoingo: trinque: With the debt owed to mircea_popescu by the venture, I lack the arrogance to propose any sort of share arrangement at this time.
BingoBoingo: And the expectation at the moment is either customers ship, purchase, or otherwise negtiate a machine. At this stage I am weary on the renting, because I don't know what an acceptable machine to rent out is given the proclivity of the lords.
trinque: BingoBoingo: if the "rest of the expenses" includes all business bootstrapping costs, are we getting shares?
BingoBoingo: trinque: The estimated rates here are still the estimates http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/11/16/tbi-mid-november-update/
trinque: and where are your rate estimates at the moment?
trinque: BingoBoingo: will the ISP be providing machines to rent, or are all customers expected to ship their own?
BingoBoingo: Whether local fiat banking is acquired here or not, January 8th discussions will start with the datacenter on finalizing a package, signing contracts, and getting them paid and machines turned on.
BingoBoingo: December 2017 statement published, pls check for compliance to the standards at http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/01/the-boingo-isp-december-2017-monthly-statement/ << Bingo Blog - The Boingo ISP December 2017 Monthly Statement
ben_vulpes: well now i'm listening to the beatles because a raffi cover of octopus' garden came on and i'd rather listen to the beatles and totally not 'cause y'all are a bunch of judgemental terrorists
BingoBoingo: It's a contagious auditory infection, recommend against having it screened by one of the girls
ben_vulpes: i don't recommend it either
ben_vulpes: lol totally. i've finally leveled up in guitar to the point where i can pick some simple songs like this out, so i'm getting some background auditory training in at the same time
mod6: that's pretty nice. the guy makes me want to stab pencils in my ears.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/01/asado-fuegos-y-feliz-a-new-year-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Asado, Fuegos, y Feliz: A New Year In Montevideo
shinohai: "A battery-powered consumer FM radio is placed in a metallic can as a shield. The radio is placed in monaural mode, and the output taken across one of the earphones. An appropriate level for the sound card is slightly audible a foot or two away. " :)
BingoBoingo: One or two blogposts incoming while memories are fresh to get the speller calibrated and then December ISP statement
BingoBoingo: Ended up getting a mortar and shells arrangement for the hostel.
BingoBoingo: Feliz ano. Fuegos artificiales were more intense for the new year, but much briefer in duration.
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents The State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-January/000285.html
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> in other holy shit : apparently omaha, nebraska cancelled ny fireworks because it snowed and the soviets "dun want anyone to get frostbite" << and in other kansas news, wichita saw a man killed on his doorstep 'cause someone prank called 911 claiming a murder/hostage thing at that address, and he came out with his hands up sub-optimally, apparently. http://archive.is/AszYN
ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2017/we-shall-now-read-anathem/#selection-395.0-407.1 << >> http://oglaf.com/plumes/
trinque: defaults will probably work, but it's worth hitting ? on the ones you don't recognize; it'll give a description.
trinque: that is actually the kernel makefile asking you things.
ben_vulpes: first of the new year!
mircea_popescu: to quote the local oracle, "america's best days lie ahead"
mircea_popescu: in other holy shit : apparently omaha, nebraska cancelled ny fireworks because it snowed and the soviets "dun want anyone to get frostbite"
trinque: takes on the scale of hours to build first; after first build you have binary packages of what you built, can complete in minutes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1762014 << how long does emerge world take by this process then ?
mircea_popescu: police car parked in between the lanes, "hey, is that da polis ?" "shit, it is" "well... they're not chasing." "in truth i was only doing 100, the limit's 80. just 20 over... that's kinda stickler fare..." "you were also doing 130 earlier, in the 60 limit zone" "shit, i was ?"
mod6: all the gentoos i've got are amd64 and default .config
trinque: if you want to poke around in the build after it's done (or breaks), it'll still be mounted for you to chroot in.
trinque: hold your horses; I'm saying if you look at the top of the script you have, you can see that there are two parameters.
trinque: top of the script you're reading!
trinque: I added a param for the kernel config to use, see top
trinque: look at the command it's creating and see if your parted supports it or not
trinque: paste the actual output with sda; I suspect it's different.
trinque: gotta actually read the script, see what command it was running.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: fellow earlier assured us he "is familiar" with "the problems" and other symbols mentioned (knuth, shannon, whatever) so i believe him :D
mircea_popescu: and then a coupla days later : "Objective: Design a method which would allow for the availability of an infinite length random key (automated one-time pad generation), from a finite store of random material."
mircea_popescu: this is it, there is no more needed. what i wish to know of all future cryptosystems is simply "ok mr x, you have here a cryptosystem, but answer me this : IS IT TUNED FOR CHAOS ?"
mircea_popescu: "One aspect I have been studying, which nobody raised, is that we could find ourselves with a dynamic system, as the key that is generated will be used to program the key generator. This could be a builtin limit to my approach. I still have to think about it. On the other hand, if I could tune it for chaos..."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:46 asciilifeform: y'know , i can no longer see any diff b/w ANY and all symmetriccipherists, and the linked d00d
mircea_popescu: specifically because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761851 ; i have the lingering suspicion i have read something like say "The key management stream is not distinguishable from the rest of the stuff, be it noise, or plaintext." stated in other hands before.
mircea_popescu: http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/BRAID/91062402.HTM << the champagne bits are choice. the part where "we have fallen out of the system, it's all key driven" even better. this guy's a fabulous kook. i almost think it's worthwhile to make him a reference for discussion of crypto.
mircea_popescu: w ? was making comments re emacs on vaxen from suny binghamton, then... zip
asciilifeform: the funniest bit is that this d00d wasn't 15 y.o
asciilifeform: 'I did publish, separately in sci.crypt, a nostalgic piece about a possible ancestor to this system. You can't very well accuse me of claiming novelty. There is a lot of deviousness and a bit of intelligence in what I proposed, but the novelty is in the way I implement the idea, and in the beneficial side effects.'
mircea_popescu: d. f. boyd has a moment of illumination (yes, you've guessed it, i reed these mostly to see what THE EXPERTS say) : "what happens if i send a block of nulls ? what happens if i set a block of 1s ? what can i do with these two ?"
asciilifeform: sci.crypt was a magnet for these btw
mircea_popescu: "b) the key it does allow you to extract won't be used right away, but at an undetermined time in the futur, depending on the available store of key material, and on the volume of traffic," is actually included verbatim in DEFENSE of the utility of the scheme
mircea_popescu: http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/BRAID/91062301.HTM << the bickering is fucking hysterical.
asciilifeform: there are obvious hungarisms in mainline ro tho
asciilifeform: 1 has a stereotypical red-tied пионер on the cover
mircea_popescu: sorta ro pulp of the 50s.
mircea_popescu: the woj chickies ? kinda remind me of http://trilema.com/2012/test-de-curvidentificare-vizuala/
asciilifeform: lol the 'society wives'
mircea_popescu: i was talking to someone and they were all indignant over " a set of international prizes in Life Sciences, Fundamental Physics and Mathematics, was founded by Sergey Brin and Anne Wojcicki, Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan, and Yuri Milner and Julia Milner." because who the fuck is zuckerberg.
asciilifeform: i wonder if they're building a sco hall of unix yet..
asciilifeform: phunphakt -- today they have a 'lemelson hall of invention', which reads quite like a 'eichmann hall of judaism'
asciilifeform: there is a decent museum like this in usa -- smithsonian . but asciilifeform was already 10 by the time he saw it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform local natl history museum had an ancient such item ; along with a yellow diamond and what all else. stored in these immense, pre 1900 wooden behemoths, at that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had physical objects largely from junkyard. with the obvious limitations. until, at least, the comp
mircea_popescu: and the problem with heuristics is -- they self-reinforce. BOTH if broken or if sound. proper knowledge only self-reinforces if sound, but heuristic approaches don't know their own dick from a hole in the ground.
mircea_popescu: i suspect a major "favourable factor" in the supposedly genetics-only "regression to mean" is poorly varied environment for the kids. ie, all sorts of important phenomena ("arbitrarily slow motion" say) not directly perceived.
mircea_popescu: but i mean the physical object
mircea_popescu: did they have the "this dropplet of pitch has been working its clockwork towards dropping for x decades" item in yoru space ?
mircea_popescu: the "this item worked for 50 years, but STILL isn't pm" along with the famous "droppled of pitch" made some useful points for my head.
mircea_popescu: then "2. nyah nyah exhaustion turnoff superpower" and then "3. magical key fountain"
mircea_popescu: they are, IN EXACT ORDER, "1. nyah nyah my key was longer than i said it was"
mircea_popescu: wait till you get to the strategies.
asciilifeform: 'There is the unavoidable problem of K exhaustion to be dealt with. The more streams we need, the faster we use up the K. But considering the ability of the system to provide a high level of confidence, there is nothing to prevent us from cheating a bit. A number of strategies for the rejuvenation of old K material can be left to the imagination of the clients...'
asciilifeform: upstack: the hilarity of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761777 is that it is provably equivalent to otp. but author appears to not have even heard of xor. ( to asciilifeform's anticredit, he as a boy knew of xor, and still came up with exact same rubbish )
mircea_popescu: ok, i take it back, he's not even terrible. here : "I saw her again and she saw me. It seemed that us at last was we. We'd break up, then remember, then one day we forgot to come back together. So she left, then I did, and I never saw her again."
mircea_popescu: if i were a hooker working from delrey, i'd print these and give them out to the sexagenarians.
mircea_popescu: generally you can recognize the undeclared cuck by that sure sign that disavows control of own sexuality. what the everloving fuck is "fated" about fucking ? maybe ~for her~.
mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, "Another time mated, thirst again sated, body passing hated, to books I turn, eager to learn, before it's again fated."
mircea_popescu: "This, my mixture of love and hate, is the reason why I hesitate . . . Yes, it is easily done, buy a room for two: Instant me and mine -- then you."
mircea_popescu: ahaha did we do dood's "poetry" ie, as he himself confesses, "i was bored and horny in the army -- so here, cummings sheets" ?
mircea_popescu: for the obvious reason.
asciilifeform: y'know , i can no longer see any diff b/w ANY and all symmetriccipherists, and the linked d00d
mircea_popescu: i guess. tall order tho, even icecubes wear their pants a novel way
asciilifeform: with the tanzania se zice.. song
asciilifeform: prolly there weren't any on that bus
mircea_popescu: SPECIFICALLY for the reason that lies are easier.
mircea_popescu: to my knowledge ~nobody, including the "professional" cuckeducators/retards they have in the anglo "humanist" tradition turned up the correct version :
mircea_popescu: it's mindboggling, to me, you know ? EVERY fucking parent since the dawn of time told his kids "don't lie" with all sorts of dumb, dysfunctional ratonalles "you'll go to jail" "i'll beat you up" whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: one might consider the relationship proposed spurious, on that basis. that one is invited to free up a few weeks of his time and retrospect any field of his choice, see what he finds.
asciilifeform: some items get found regardless of anything. e.g. su had the otp absolute-tightness proof in iirc 1930s
mircea_popescu: still, the "might very well" is extremely hard to do away with.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:18 mircea_popescu: (as it happens here -- the year being 1991 lubby was still a decade away, and fountain codes poorly understood, so a honest mind might very well have ended up predating lubby through the exercise of trying to make a decent answer for this particular idiot. which process is exactly why "universities" exist in the first place, and teaching all-but-inescapable for researchers : it turns out that answering the malformed questions
mircea_popescu: and i mean it quite specifically as strong as "if djb weren't a spook, and honest enough a man to look at the problem correctly, he would probably have had lubby before lubby did. certainky he was smart enough."
mircea_popescu: the important point here is that there can be NO retrospective read of the history of ideas in any actual discipline that is both a) longer than epsilon and b) fails to discover the PRINCIPAL bar to discovery is personal dishonesty.
asciilifeform: betcha d00d would barf at v. 'where's the centralized incatron'
a111: Logged on 2016-02-10 14:21 mircea_popescu: 1998-11-23 Stefan Axelsson: "What is needed, is some other, resilient, long lasting, redundant third party storage of references, such as a library is for printed material today."
mircea_popescu: "what do small children and technical men have in common ?" "they're not scholars" "oh."
asciilifeform: by the time 'idea man' has it
asciilifeform: the 1 thing children/telegraphers lack, is any contact with history; typically 'idea' was tried seven ways to pluto
mircea_popescu: so i just went "wtf, there's no mention of this site in the logs" and it turns out that... yes there is, you gave it to me last year. lol.
asciilifeform: folx who haven't put on the standard blinkers yet , aha
mircea_popescu: anyone at "inventions bureau" can confirm -- there's a profile of technical employee matching type of commonly-seen "invention"
mircea_popescu: it's what i'd call "a telegraphist's intuition". there are these things that are particularily irksome/obvious to technical men (ie, not very intelligent) and small children.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761777 << asciilifeform confesses, he wrote one of these as a schoolboy. but never tried to sell as 'troo crypto'
mircea_popescu: of [preselected] idiots is a major, if not the principal source of discovery ; something i know from personal experience for my own needs, if the theory weren't enough.)
mircea_popescu: (as it happens here -- the year being 1991 lubby was still a decade away, and fountain codes poorly understood, so a honest mind might very well have ended up predating lubby through the exercise of trying to make a decent answer for this particular idiot. which process is exactly why "universities" exist in the first place, and teaching all-but-inescapable for researchers : it turns out that answering the malformed questions
mircea_popescu: thirty years later people will grin at the record.
mircea_popescu: but what it's truly interesting for, is just how disingenuous bernstein's "destruction" is. instead of a curt, and correct, "go study OTP and when you understand that, move up to lubby", he picks the wrong end of the mechanism to improperly reduce to a strawman. this is the risk of arguing with idiots -- if you're a normal person your social adjustment circuitry might entice you to make idiotic arguments in response and then
mircea_popescu: in which vein : people despising "inept schoolchildren" who scribble their names on trees/wet cement/whatever forget (by which euphemism we render "never had any fucking idea") who actually started that trend.
mircea_popescu: people despising "script kiddies" for their varied ineptitudes (of which insecure pipes are a fine example) forgets that there was a time when the "best and brightest" founders-of-whatever did the exact same.
mircea_popescu: in other things that are pretty fucking hysterical, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.security/sIuDoPz0vyk
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rms << this may be interesting, but read it from the bottom up
mircea_popescu: zineKing the problem here is an asymmetry, whereby we started ~where you are maybe 5 years ago, and then knowledge progressed.
mircea_popescu: maybe if we're sexually intimate and respecter's underage, but even then... only briefly and still maybe.
mircea_popescu: i do not intend to be respected on the basis of "i can't explain why" if at all possible.
zineKing: Not much might be written by him, but he is the founder.. Therefore he should be respected, just like I believe the founder of The Most Serene Republic ought to be respected.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well there was that time he showed up at what-was-it-called mpex-wannabe and got some lunch money from amir taaki neh.
asciilifeform: zineKing: show an actual item, written by the man's own hand ?
mircea_popescu: preferably one that doesn't consist of "tried to", that's what my slavegirls say before getting the whip
mircea_popescu: that's the echafaudage the whole "export controls" and "microsoft monopoly" and etc wrangling in the 90s and 00s was supposed to distract from : please choose between empire and the socialst alternative!
asciilifeform: i can only with difficulty picture any of these folx, e.g. reading marx.
mircea_popescu: it goes directly to the ugly truth at the bottom of the alt-usg (referenced above as 'cryptographic komyoonity' but rms's goons too [recently i've been seeing pompous "explanations" as to how linux is not a thing, it's just gnu os that matters btw]) : pure socialism.