mircea_popescu: "since about say 2010, there's a new generation of programers, whose mantra is help, be positive. They shy away from negative things, even occasional swearing. I consider them scumbags." << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766301 not even terrible ; anyone know how ti invite the dood ?
asciilifeform: they go way back. e.g. https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144868668727852@naggum.no.html
mircea_popescu: i'll confess i'm not very impressed with the nonsense. it's one thing to flame some idiot into the ground, but it's not clear to me gat/garrett met the criteria.\
asciilifeform: ( all i got is archaeology, i wasn't there; never met anybody who was there , only have the shards of the old pots. )
mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242228166365080@naggum.no.html << sample eggregious piece ; dated 2002 so i guess the theory here is gat got depressed cca 2001 pissed off naggum who didn't know how to express self better ?
asciilifeform: http://www.flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html << the most well-known piece by gatt/garrett , 'lisping at jpl'
asciilifeform: then item went to shit, for general usgification 1990s reasons
mircea_popescu: he also wrote a lisp-is-faster-than-c item back in the days the microsoft hired hands were pissing all over o'reilly&marc "my middle name is cocksucker" andressen's java
mircea_popescu: the jet propulsion lab fellow ?
asciilifeform: gatt (renamed himself, today garrett ) wrote a large pile of 'lisp is dead, woe is me, once there were things but never again' 'emo' screeds on comp.lang.lisp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's his issue with gat anyway, i always thought he was one of the more level headed mid generation lisper folk.
asciilifeform: ( there are salvageable organs in the scheme corpse. but there is not imho a usable per-se schemetron. )
mircea_popescu: there's this observation that "the dumb woman's ideal is to live in K-selected society so there's no infibulation or tit pounding ; but that then she personally defects to pursue r-selection". this may or may not be true as applied, but it exists as a trope, the forever wank of the insufficient, be it a dumb woman, a dysfunctional adolescent (the neil simon type, that then "goes to city and becomes his TRUE SELF writing for n
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 20:10 mircea_popescu: ostile to those who simply did not like your idea to begin with) may be too much for some brittle egos [...] while the Scheme community encourages people to go off and implement their _own_ Scheme, the Common Lisp standard is so big and mature that those who want to reinvent the wheel, or at least a portion of the wheel (like an Arc :), usually fail miserably."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766487 << one of the recurring motifs in the naggum threads is the scheme thing. scheme got stuck in its development (politically, rather than technically, it got orphaned and lacked a mircea_popescu at a critical time in its gestation ) and ended up in the hands of 'perfect circles' people
asciilifeform: but no, nobody gets to reinvent in the idjit-schoolboy-dreams sense of 'and then they forgot how to do it and i Show Them and Become Newton' or whichever
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 20:06 mircea_popescu: you will never fucking reinvent infinitesimal calculus. for one thing, it's fine as it is (you fuck with it, it get heavy, and you still no hit largest side of barn), and for the other fuck you and your psychological needs. you were born late rather than early, if you don't like it should have been born earlier. invent something else or don't, either way.
mircea_popescu: and so on. yes, reification is the (forced, sure, but still) mistake of the drowning.
asciilifeform: ( the supurious concretization of 'future' i suspect is a root philosophical ill of 20th c, like the humanization of computer )
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that nobody can move ~into~ past.
mircea_popescu: there's no magic number as to WHICH past. but in point of fact past is all there is.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 19:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766252 << jews aside, any view which fails to priviledge the past is irrational inescapably. very much a case of "to have idea -- first must not be idiot". the futurists are all to the last man irrecoverable hipster doofuses, fundamentally incapable of distinguishing anything from anything else.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766479 << past is where the items to be learned from live, even if the world were just a week old; so in that sense how could thinking
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 19:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766248 << sadly the author not here to explain ; the view would be sustainable if one could unearth any portion where he unambiguously refers to the proposed other kind of individualist.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766477 << it's considerably moartragic in light of naggum's biography. he went to usa as a young man because he heard there were individualists there , and joined an aynrand cult , and burned out, came back
mircea_popescu: the problem essentially is that there's two kinds of people, one of which wants to be relieved of the burden of thought ; for which purpose they invented the jap before they invented microsoft word.
asciilifeform: i suspect mircea_popescu nailed the orig problem in the old article where 'and then they began to began to imagine that the machines are alive'
mircea_popescu: anyway, essay eventually but not nearly there yet.
mircea_popescu: machine has no relation to the world outside of my mercy.
mircea_popescu: but when i have to tell the machine ~what I want~, as opposed to ~what the world is~, we're lost for sanity.
mircea_popescu: the ~NECESSARY~ correlate of "don't say faggot, so the dumb that are also gay do not feel excluded" ; "don't say stuff like http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/ lest you discourage the dumb bulk of womanhood from participating" etc is that EVENTUALLY you will come to "change the language every third year so as not to discourage the dumb from inventing"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 19:52 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766238 << this is a lot like "oh, handjob-appropriate tools, we have these leftower early sewing machines". no thanks. if i can't edit by hand it's a binary format.i want source.
mircea_popescu: ostile to those who simply did not like your idea to begin with) may be too much for some brittle egos [...] while the Scheme community encourages people to go off and implement their _own_ Scheme, the Common Lisp standard is so big and mature that those who want to reinvent the wheel, or at least a portion of the wheel (like an Arc :), usually fail miserably."
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 09:02 mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- that the "open source" nonsense was made for new jersey and vice-versa (no, it's NOT TRUE "anyone can contribute", holy shit already, what sort of crapsack world is this to be!), that fare is an immature bitchlet has nothing to do with lone programmers, nor with fucking professionalism.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766214 should prolly be in here in original, ie : "In most other language communities, having your ideas rejected is no big deal, because you can come up with another one at little extra cost, but if you spent a year designing something super-clever that you really like and which you have used for a long time seeing it trashed viciously (because you refuse to back down and get increasingly h
mircea_popescu: you will never fucking reinvent infinitesimal calculus. for one thing, it's fine as it is (you fuck with it, it get heavy, and you still no hit largest side of barn), and for the other fuck you and your psychological needs. you were born late rather than early, if you don't like it should have been born earlier. invent something else or don't, either way.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:47 asciilifeform: why do anything at all if 'we cannot hope to beat the old greeks' say.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766253 << same reason to do anything at all if we can't hope to overturn bitcoin. what, i'm going to invent periodic numeration systems now so various moderntards can feel euclid ? the idiocy pioneered by pantsuit "computer science" is an absces not a species. it shan't spread to other parts of human culture nor will it manage to hold on to computing, innovation-for-tyhe-sake-of-inca-distrib
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766252 << jews aside, any view which fails to priviledge the past is irrational inescapably. very much a case of "to have idea -- first must not be idiot". the futurists are all to the last man irrecoverable hipster doofuses, fundamentally incapable of distinguishing anything from anything else.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766223 << i parsed the sentence differently --' idiot individualist' implying the existence of 'smart individualist', who is able to make use of a platoon of hands, rather than be crippled by 'committeeism'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766248 << sadly the author not here to explain ; the view would be sustainable if one could unearth any portion where he unambiguously refers to the proposed other kind of individualist.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766245 << certainly, by the time you're open to strep...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766238 << this is a lot like "oh, handjob-appropriate tools, we have these leftower early sewing machines". no thanks. if i can't edit by hand it's a binary format.i want source.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this like the trench warfare pantsuit / respectable man discussing the important (for inca) matter of whether there was or there was not personal loyalty involved in the victory in europe ?
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, http://rusdemotivator.ru/uploads/posts/2010-06/1275904553_40960_oni-umirali-za-rodinu-za-stalina.jpg << 'they died 'for motherland, for stalin'. but we - we die from dope and drink.'
asciilifeform: ^ linked for the pics.
asciilifeform: ople who trusted you, the people that loved you, to some grifter or other. You will be remembered as Adonis-number.'
asciilifeform: 'Irrespective of you, entirely and in all respects, what will happen is that you will meet a grifter and have a child, and that child will be disaster. Pain, sadness, hunger, death and human suffering of proportions strictly commensurate to your "drive", to your "ambition", to the clarity of your "vision" and the purity of your intentions. And we won't care. Nobody will care. You will be remembered as that shill that delivered the pe
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/ << here, i think, it is
mircea_popescu: have the fucking decency to die for another man, not for an imaginary tootpick. a life shouldbe worth at least that much.
asciilifeform: there was also an old mircea_popescu article about 'grifters'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're curious, by the way, the origin of the "corporatization" so to speak is that ancient trick from, if i memory serves, dickens (but could be any other pulp copywriter) : that the visible boss prefers to pretend a silent partner is there disallowing the whatever, so he can have both cake and eat it too (ie, comiserate with worker but not indulge worker idiocy).
mircea_popescu: which is what the whole "no franchise" thing is all about.
mircea_popescu: the moment the "oh, it's a GOAL", oh, "it's above mere people", oh, it's a "Corporation", you got the rot.
mircea_popescu: yes, when they decided it is "a goal". there's an exceptional line in mimi, metalurgico ferito nel'onore, where some idiots go "ma figli ce li abbiamo tutti, e c'e chi si fa cazzi di tutti e chi si fa i cazzi suoi!"
asciilifeform: 'adobe' was originally 2 d00dz , iirc ; ditto crapple. the transformation into fungi happened at some later point
BingoBoingo also considered acquiring samovar at the feria today, but decided better. Arepas and baked goods instead.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 02:43 mircea_popescu: to put it in other words : the republic does not deem corporatyions to be persons. a corporation can't owe tax for the exact same reason the united states government can't be sovereign.
asciilifeform: ( is there a technical root of the cancers after all ? or is it simply the 'monkeys inherit the temple, and it doesn't matter how temple was built' phenomenon ? both ? )
mircea_popescu: adobe, apple, microsoft, olivetti, "the united states of america", "russian revolution", all depersonalized-but-persons corporations.
asciilifeform: which they.
mircea_popescu: there's a REASON the warcry of the r-selected "new programmer" was "there's no penalty for trying".
mircea_popescu: there is nothing necessary about this cycle of wasteful idiocy. beat your swedish civilised wife whenever she deos the dumb.
mircea_popescu: , where the penalty for failure is HUGE, springs up again.
mircea_popescu: the propensiety of K-selected societies to stop beating the dumb wives, and their dumber offspring, permitting puddles of r-defectors to form up (because if no penalty is attached to newjerseysm, newjerseysm becomes very much http://trilema.com/2010/de-ce-sunt-contra-legalizarii-drogurilor/ style mandatory ) ; then K-selected society collapses under the cost of ever growing afr-ican americans, and then, in the new environment
asciilifeform: all things are born, flower, wither, die.
asciilifeform: i dunno that this is false. but seems to resemble what i said re revolutions killing civilizations -- that errything senesces , bloats, dies in the end.
mircea_popescu: which is why discussion with electrum (or any other such tardism) isn't (as the pantsuit aggitators try to make it) carried "on the technical merits". it will be carried in the terms of "those involved are not people, may not touch keyboards, cut their hands and gouge their eyes out".
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pdf is a graphics format ( and a quite horrifying one, a corruption of postscript, recall ) not a text. so not the right warcrime for comparison for the french thing
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766236 << pdf had a very similar "xml-like" containerized notation in the early days adobe was trying to push it on the world. this is what the problems with these samovars is : whether named adobe or olivetti, they're still samovars, and deducing one is harmless because it never got to grow up is at best naive. they all grow up into the same thing if given the chance ; so never give them an
asciilifeform: the 'simple idea'.
asciilifeform: that is one of the more painful kinds of glue trap.
asciilifeform: it was their 'plain text' , lel
asciilifeform: the greeks had a peculiar fixation with 'perfect circle'
mircea_popescu: epicycles are the idea that "i justwant to", which is neither single nor coherent. it is however a simple and comfortable idea.
asciilifeform: there aint any goodones afaik, lol
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform for example has been quietly experimenting with subj since the 1st 'tabs' thread.
mircea_popescu: now it's in the logs.
asciilifeform: this is the mega-q.
mircea_popescu: i guess the above was #1 ; but in more general form : how would a PSTP ("plaintext" sexpr transport protocol) actually look ? ie, use sexpr to deliver the above required property.
mircea_popescu: as the astute reader may have guessed, the plaintext revelation sent /me on an emergency reread of many ancient things.
asciilifeform: not yet done the necessary archaeological dig, to find whether d00d was on to The Right Thing or notquite.
asciilifeform: plaintextism is insiduously wrongthing. there is nothing 'intrinsically clean' about stream of 7bit teletypolade.
mircea_popescu: if i don't get the topstruct and if i can't throw out any up to n-1 elements out of n on my own time, it's broken.
asciilifeform: how 'picture' ended up a gnarly hack on top of 'streams of text', rather than an uninteresting and harmless 'yet another possible sexpr' is separate item.
mircea_popescu: "move to the city"
mircea_popescu: "get the whole thing before you see what's inside" ie "do not do the thing everyone does to republican log -- parse". that IS what inca is.
mircea_popescu: it's EXACTLY the "strlen is now O(fuckyou)".
mircea_popescu: "can have pictures in the stream"
asciilifeform: where's the necessary inca element in compressing a highly redundant turd before moving it ?
asciilifeform: ( trades cpu time for bandwidth, like any other compressor )
mircea_popescu: "really, i don't use it either, but i like to talk about it"
mircea_popescu: aha! so then ?
mircea_popescu: html never lost to him ; though the proprietary tardboys keep trying to make it.
asciilifeform: iirc even lynz supports the transpareng gzip thing.
mircea_popescu: I DO NOT WANT the images to be part of the samestream ; or ANYTHING ELSE. half the time i don't even download the images.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766234 << no dude, he a) doesn't have any fucking idea what he wanted, which is shocking enough, but b) what he SAYS he wanted is nonsense beyond the pale. "images could have traveled in the same stream!!!" says the man whose signature says "hey, i have nigerian scam options in excess of a trillion that i'm not exercising, you can stop sending me more". really ? wtf is wrong with him ?
asciilifeform: ( and of the raw instructions being quite readable, per se, as a program . unlike the turingsoup one puts into a transfer-machine or the like )
asciilifeform: 6502 has the advantage of history.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 16:48 asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta'
asciilifeform: there are simpler designs for general-purpose cpu
asciilifeform: ( granted fg itself it is not a general-purpose comp. but the fpga substrate -- is. observe that it is not programmed by being given a series of sequentially-executed instructions. )
asciilifeform: then moves to a new instruction, by incrementing an instruction-pointer , and does it again. and again. etc
asciilifeform: and it sequentially reads instructions from somewhere, and each time does something. which consists of picking up operands somewhere, carrying out a e.g. addition or subtraction , and dropping the result somewhere.
asciilifeform: in j. von n.'s model, there is (ideally. in actual life, all kinds of 'unprincipled exceptions' like dma) 1 prime mover, what today we call 'cpu'.
asciilifeform: if you dun know the basic idea of von neumann comp, you are not yet ready for this argument, correct.
esthlos: I suppose I don't know, then, what i'm misisng. but certainly I couldnt cogently argue why x86 sucks besides 'von neumann lol'
asciilifeform: once you understand how these 2 worked, errything else in vonneumann-world is correctly seen as a bloated version of same.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-01 02:43 asciilifeform: in other iron, http://6502.org/users/dieter/mt15/mt15.htm
esthlos: but have no idea wtf my compute is actually _doing_ 99% of the time
shinohai: Yes, that's the best one
esthlos: i've read https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Elements_of_Computing_Systems.html?id=THie6tt-2z8C&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false
asciilifeform: where e.g. 'since about say 2010, there's a new generation of programers, whose mantra is “help”, “be positive”. They shy away from negative things, even occasional swearing. I consider them scumbags. Many young star coders are of this ilk.'
shinohai: It may sound retarded, but I learned how XOR and NAND gates work by reading Forrest Mimm books and building the shit on a breadboard.
asciilifeform: out of curiosity, esthlos , where do you perceive to be the gap ?
esthlos: effectively, electronics are black boxes. I know how to use logic gates to add, store stuff, etc., but only the theory
asciilifeform: also depends on where the white spaces in your education are -- do you already know how to e.g. make shift registers, adders, etc. and need refresh re cpu ? or already know cpu mechanics and need electronics refresh ? or wat.
asciilifeform: because the game board setup, if you will, also gotta be constant-time.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766198 << neato PeterL. though apparently the resolution of the timer is better than i thought, so probably the weight test should have been written like this,
asciilifeform: the gprbuild thing hasn't changed since ch1, also, and i dun expect that it ever will ( unlike makefiles, these dun need to )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 08:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766176 >> hm. does gprbuild -r fail because there is a main ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766196 << the orig, as written , operates correctly on all correct gnats.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:41 asciilifeform: funnily enough adacore itself publishes a great many cut-down runtimes for various embedded boxes, e.g. https://bitbucket.org/tkoskine/embedded-arm-gnat-rts/src . BUT they are not usable: 1) there is -- quite deliberately -- not one targeting conventional userland linux 2) none of them support exception handling, which wouldn't be a problem except that ALL BOUNDS CHECKS ARE EXCEPTIONTRONIC
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766206 << after ffa i'ma necessarily move on to the chore of nailing down gnat.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766213 << d00d freely conversed in the langs of europe, had classical education, read his frege, etc and was no more 'neet' than e.g. mircea_popescu , socrates, et al
asciilifeform: possibly mircea_popescu parsed the 'important' differently ?
asciilifeform: why do anything at all if 'we cannot hope to beat the old greeks' say.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 09:01 mircea_popescu: and holy shit the indescribably mixed bag that naggum brings to the table. take https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3216002118211980@naggum.net.html as well as anything : the post-scriptum reads "the past is not more important than the future" NEET cultish wank (re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763821 ), even as the text reads "the past is STILL, and NECESSARILY forever will be, more important than the future -- if it i
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766211 << the classical j00z have the 'past is moar important' jumpers set to max: iirc they have a 'the further we get from moses, the moar of god-given wisdom is lost', i.e. nonrenewable resource.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 11:29 mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242173964750774@naggum.no.html << take this gem. "The idiot individualist with megalomania will think that others are his inferiors, that people who work in groups never get anything done while he can get a lot done alone." vs "I am far more conscious in general than other people." BITCH WHICH IS IT!!!1
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766223 << i parsed the sentence differently --' idiot individualist' implying the existence of 'smart individualist', who is able to make use of a platoon of hands, rather than be crippled by 'committeeism'
asciilifeform: i vaguely suspect that without periodic catastrophes where elite is butchered ( dun matter so much by whom, barbarians, jacobins, or plague ) you end up with the castes of india . but naturally not testable.
asciilifeform: it's rather like those fungi that eat aids sufferers.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 10:18 mircea_popescu: "but mp, work here is intended to mean that the niggers can spawn a replacement society that'll be just as good as the thing they originally pillaged". "sure, and for the same definition of just as good i could replace you all with cultured strep, how about that."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766221 << they work exactly as death works for people - 'so long as somebody else doing it', noshit. civilizations sensesce and gotta get gc'd - like people. e.g. nick the II-nd's regime was liquishit. or take the last habsburgs..
asciilifeform: and then ditto re html.
asciilifeform: sgml, rather ( where naggum was involved )
asciilifeform: as for xml, naggum was apparently involved with it before wwwism began to take off, and there were any notion of humans editing it directly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pdf is a graphics format ( and a quite horrifying one, a corruption of postscript, recall ) not a text. so not the right warcrime for comparison for the french thing
asciilifeform: which is imho therightthing.
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt- recall that almost all htm today goes over the cable gzipped. in that sense it in fact 'lost' to bin. )
mircea_popescu: now, that the whole "french people can technology too!" olivetti-document-format went nowhere is, i think, neither surprising nor in anyone's estimation a bad thing ; but divorced from that, the claim that pdf-ttp would have been an improvement ?! wtf is this guy talking about ?
mircea_popescu: rt to keep the ODA and ODIF folks at bay and was a purely political stunt, not intended to be implemented. When I went ahead and did it, I was not exactly applauded for the effort. The fact that it was /vastly/ more efficient in all respects than the stupid character syntax was /most/ unwelcome by the community."
mircea_popescu: would have realized the insanity of requiring the verbose end-tags and the stupid syntax. XML-RPC and SOAP and the like could have been fairly inexpensive things. But, alas, people prefer buggy text formats that they can approximate rather than precise binary formats that follow general rules that are make them as easy to use as text formats. Rationality is not part of the SGML philosophy, however, and SDIF was mainly an effo
mircea_popescu: s you get when parsing ASN.1 are unforgiving. There is no doubt in my mind that if SDIF had won over the insanely verbose text format, even things like HTML would have been moderately sane. Not to mention the fact that images could have been carried in the same data stream. The world would have been a better place if SDIF had won over HTML, and if the nutjobs who "invented" XML had been moderately in touch with reality, they
mircea_popescu: about 75% of the memory to reconstruct the identical in-memory version of the document. This experiment was among the many data points that led me to conclude that SGML is insane and that those who think it is rational to require parsing of character data at each and every application interface are literally retarded and willfully blind. Also, an SDIF data stream can only represent a validated document and the kinds of error
mircea_popescu: "By the way, the SGML Document Interchange Format (ISO 9069) uses ASN.1 to ship SGML documents around. I wrote an implementation of SDIF in three days. Test runs showed that a major CALS application consumed approximately 40% of the character count of the SGML file, and with the then commonly available tools to parse and process SGML documents and ASN.1 processors, the SDIF data stream took around 1/200th as much CPU time and
mircea_popescu: but, this bit maybe in the log :
mircea_popescu: let's iliterately dork about literacy why the hell not, "it's engineering" hurr.
mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242173964750774@naggum.no.html << take this gem. "The idiot individualist with megalomania will think that others are his inferiors, that people who work in groups never get anything done while he can get a lot done alone." vs "I am far more conscious in general than other people." BITCH WHICH IS IT!!!1
mircea_popescu: "but mp, work here is intended to mean that the niggers can spawn a replacement society that'll be just as good as the thing they originally pillaged". "sure, and for the same definition of just as good i could replace you all with cultured strep, how about that."
mircea_popescu: "Revolutions sometimes do work, but their cost in human terms is /enormous/." << no revolutin ever worked, in any sense of "work" distinguishable from "nigger got his delicious free chicken". for the same money, "pillage works". sure, it works fine for as long as you're the one doing it.
mircea_popescu: (think about it, what is marxism other than the proposition that the dissatisfaction of the plebs, produiced through giving them more than they should have been given, is to be cured by giving them... even more! hurr ?)
mircea_popescu: im starting to believe the only possible definition of "postmodern man" is "he who attempts to resolve all problems by more insistend application of whatever caused them in the first place and in no other way".
mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- that the "open source" nonsense was made for new jersey and vice-versa (no, it's NOT TRUE "anyone can contribute", holy shit already, what sort of crapsack world is this to be!), that fare is an immature bitchlet has nothing to do with lone programmers, nor with fucking professionalism.
mircea_popescu: and holy shit the indescribably mixed bag that naggum brings to the table. take https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3216002118211980@naggum.net.html as well as anything : the post-scriptum reads "the past is not more important than the future" NEET cultish wank (re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763821 ), even as the text reads "the past is STILL, and NECESSARILY forever will be, more important than the future -- if it i
mircea_popescu: in other news, anyone want to do a wire for me ? pete_dushenski ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766189 << oddly missing, the part where "we are sorry to report tmsr was right, we suck, we have fortwith ceased all pretense to the contrary". alt-world of snakeoil peddlemen where they're genuwine doktors and alliswell.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 22:57 asciilifeform: btw if somebody wants to write a py or pl scriptoid that'll generate the gpg-matching 1ffffff...blah turdoid for a given file , he will get honourable-mention in the next chapter.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766126 << so I was like "how hard could this be?" and I am trying to wrap my head around what this comes from, so I open up the gpg source code, and bleh, code is sooo much easier to read when it is written in ada by asciilifeform!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766176 >> hm. does gprbuild -r fail because there is a main ?
mod6: ok. i've not seen any error like that for sometime now, definitely predates the recent loper-os posts.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis#L161 << the specific item that seems to fail on his box
esthlos: libffa builds fine on fresh press, but not the demo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HtlZe/?raw=true
asciilifeform: presently i suspect that gpl-gnat has succumbed to the work of wreckers. ~100% of the barfology to date, has been from gpl-gnat users with astonishingly variously rotted carcasses in place of a working compiler
asciilifeform: ( there is no reason why this ought to be necessary, this is the 1st report of this type of barf i've seen , in reading yr+ of various barf reports re gnat )
asciilifeform: and what it looks like is that your gprbuild, for some odd reason , refuses to recurse. try gprbuild inside libffa , then afterwards gprbuild inside ffademo.
asciilifeform: rm -rf the dir and re-press
esthlos: sorry to be a bother asciilifeform, but still not working with adacore's gnat: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NjSGH/?raw=true
esthlos: mebbe its the usual gentoo breaking things into 20 pieces
asciilifeform: esthlos: there are no libraries
asciilifeform: ffa is possibly one of the few nontrivial proggies where you can actually do this. because there are no data-dependent branches (aside from the 'data' which is the bitness you run under -- this determines the loopness of the loops)
asciilifeform: if one is satisfied with the nonoverflowability of the array refs , under all possible inputs , it is possible to yank'em. and get order-of-magnitude speedup.
asciilifeform: btw i prolly oughta have mentioned, the timing figures (not only in ch6, but all posted to date) presume that ~all~ bounds-checks remain enabled.
asciilifeform: libffa ( the actual arithmetism ) is cumulatively ~1900 loc, (80col!11) inclusive of whitespace , banners, and commentolade ; ffacalc apparatus another ~900, ditto.
mircea_popescu: this is a little like being offered mention in the bible. i imagine many at the time thought 40 silvers a better deal, however...
asciilifeform: ( then can dispose of gpg for this, entirely ! )
asciilifeform: btw if somebody wants to write a py or pl scriptoid that'll generate the gpg-matching 1ffffff...blah turdoid for a given file , he will get honourable-mention in the next chapter.
asciilifeform: the patch is against classical ( mircea_popescuine ) 1.4.10 .
shinohai: ^ neat asciilifeform ... I'm a bit slower learning these bits (like debug flag 2 didn't work on gpg2 because mpi) but patience.
asciilifeform: with the 1FFFFF......FFFFFFFblahblah
asciilifeform: the nonsensical padding scheme used by rfc2440/4880/koch is on display , incidentally
asciilifeform: nifty, ty mircea_popescu . possibly some of the new blood will finally do a job
mircea_popescu will pay 2 bitcents to the first l2 (not l1) that produces timing data, to the same standard as teh graph, + machine spec.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as ben_vulpes says, these are a pleasure.
asciilifeform: blew most of an hr looking for that dumper ('gotta be in there...')
mircea_popescu: "Lets verify the RSA seal of ffa_ch6_simplest_rsa.vpatch, the Chapter 6 code itself, using itself". epic.
mircea_popescu: as a general rule : if you publish a graph, which is continuous, and based on empirical data, do the world a favour and color-dot the datapoints on there.
mircea_popescu: all the crossings ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nice graph but where's the datapoints on it ?
asciilifeform: if the good doktor writes in and asks, i'ma add a t.
asciilifeform: ( at one time errybody either read or pretended to have read... )
mircea_popescu got the impression he named it deliberately for the acronymism (a lot more excusable in his case seeing how the uscongresstards hadn't yet driven that joke into the ground) and will sneak out to mix sugar in your fuel tank at night if you dare lop off the the
asciilifeform: errybody either has seen , or pretends to have seen, aocp.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm also quite pleased with the very good style of the items. readily doubles as manual for proper use of english.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is possibly the most fun and educational homework i have ever undertaken
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 19:46 asciilifeform: mod6: it's the 'official' answer, linked in ch5.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't remember that it can be. gotta to the hard way unbase64 etc
asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu , do you remember whether gpg 1.4 ( virginal ) can be forced to dump hashpayload when verifying sigs ?
mircea_popescu: if one manages to not expect much, the extramural internet rarely manages to disappoint.
BingoBoingo: The return of kink place as a "crypto" forum too. Maybe take the temperature of their autism?
shinohai: Might do a Eulora promotion or something there this Spring if the btc Gods are kind to me this winter.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 18:02 shinohai: Some rss feeds were on my agenda (ala deedbot !!subscribe), one was /btc/ per http://trilema.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/ .... but I think that kinda fizzled neh?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766053 << i dunno, i guess it never gathered any interest.
shinohai: Some rss feeds were on my agenda (ala deedbot !!subscribe), one was /btc/ per http://trilema.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/ .... but I think that kinda fizzled neh?
mircea_popescu: nah, block people like this. let twitter suffer the penalty for their pretend sovereignity.
shinohai: Yeah, I simply turn off DMs there is at least a knob for that.
mircea_popescu: shinohai you can open it up if it works, charge people to host their twatter, it's something.
mircea_popescu: can't imagine why, it must be just a feed like any other neh ?
mircea_popescu: so without dms then.
shinohai: Interesting idea .... rss feeds themselves are quite easy, but the DM thing caused me grief last time I attempted iirc
mircea_popescu: just make sure it spits them out when asked and in a paste less it angers ye gods.
mircea_popescu: eh, anyone can set up a rss from here, which is ~the whole thing i'd even consider.
BingoBoingo: Nah, they only don't ban insufficient world leaders
shinohai: twitter recently announced they would not be deleting accounts of world leaders, perhaps you can get ban overturned now mircea_popescu !
mircea_popescu: cool then!
mircea_popescu: guy actually gets gaming, which is rare. always was, but these days... fucking especially.
mircea_popescu: in other browsergames, dangerous adventure. incredible, someone made gfx mmo right!
BingoBoingo: I was doing my weekly cleaning and oiling of the boots, which likely seemed like a strange custom for Brasileros to have.
BingoBoingo: Nah, it was in the hostel. The safe assumption there is Brasilero until informed otherwise.
BingoBoingo: Girl inquired whether I was brasilero.
BingoBoingo: In other news, last night I had my first experience answering a query in Portuguese and having interpreted it as yet another new accent
asciilifeform: well cthulhu did, manner of speaking, fuck the plushies to shreds, and repeatedly. but this happens to ~erryone.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 02:15 mircea_popescu: in other words : republican methodology for improving software, that was slowly swirling towards systematisation down the drain of v turned exponential / made some major breakthroughs in the past six weeks or so.
mircea_popescu: get a grip man, you have this strange reactive mr hyde portion, thoroughly anxiety driven, as if you honestly believe, with the deep fiber of your 5yo being, that whenever something happens chulhu will come fuck your plushies. one can almost measure the velocity of republic on the basis of alf-insanity-odometer as measured from the logs, are you aware ? correlate of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763554 is directly above.
asciilifeform: and the squirrels know?
mircea_popescu: sit your ass down for one cottonpicking moment, and consider the fact that you're the fellow who, IN THE SAME DAY, deduced that "nobody reads x" on the basis of "i read it every day and never found x.y". this, somehow, was a rational deduction that passed your filter. THEN you proceeded to threaten its-not-exactly-clear whom with burial, over their threats to steal your printer. and THEN you went off the deep end wrt to some
mircea_popescu: yes, but the sad is that part of that like in your case is built out of insanity.