asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768306 << it was a kind of tor, i.e. usg-engineered transparent 'tool for opposition' . d00d presumably was showing symptoms of blowing the idiocy up, got nailgunned.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768272 << i suspect that sanskrit is what the end of the 'greek whisks of meaning' road looks like, however.
knubie: lol, what doesn't cost these days.. >:)
shinohai: Finishing work costs extra, those rubber gloves ain't gonna buy themselves.
shinohai: Maduro announced around Xmas they are making a altcorn "backed by oil, gas, gold and diamond reserves"
mircea_popescu: shinohai i thought theirs was refined not mined.
mircea_popescu: perelman had enough fucking sense to tell the ustards where to shove their soiled tp, assange somehow not bright enough to figure it out ?
mircea_popescu: would have delivered much better results in 2018 than the path actually taken, 2), where assange sat in cramped ecuador embassy quarters for five years and got a ~toilet paper roll's worth of pompous "un declarations".
mircea_popescu: ie, between approach 1, where 2012 assange'd have told anders perkelev he's a retarded cuck and should be ashamed of himself in fromt of teh HD, ended up ~maybe~ convicted of the swedish equivalent of http://trilema.com/2011/americanii-au-disperata-nevoie-de-un-sut-in-cur/ and told same anders perkelev in 2015ish that a) he's still just as much of a retarded cuck as he was in 2012 and b) meanwhile he's also a retarded cuck wh
shinohai: Maybe Venezuela will take him and he can mine their new fiat cryptocurrency
mircea_popescu: general rule being that it's always much better to openly mock the fucktards than to take them seriously.
knubie: mircea_popescu: think so.. feel bad for the guy, his really copped it last few years, his slowly camouflaged into an Albino
mircea_popescu: lel, didn't they steal his "social media" recently
BingoBoingo: Hey, Elon Musk "lost" a DoD satellite according to widely reported rumours and innuendos. Let the ambiguity reign
knubie: http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/educaor-wants-julian-assange-out-of-london-embassy/news-story/8bdae0186186d3906d2a062258e762e4 <<< heh, wonder what will be the next move..
BingoBoingo: At this point the marketing cancer is too advanced to tell
mircea_popescu: invade. The government doesn't tolerate this, it doesn't turn a blind eye towards it, it explicitly allows it. The only thing it forbids is billing for a service not performed (e.g. ghost patient.)" and all that.
mircea_popescu: ie "But they have to go to therapy because the clinic requires it because Medicaid requires it (integrated care), and the patients need the clinic because that's how they're getting their SSI, not to mention the Zannies. The docs need them to come because that's how they earn their living, and the government allows this because it needs someone to deal with American poverty until either we discover cold fusion or the aliens
BingoBoingo: It's the someone dug through cold war freedom of information act'd plans and filtered through through NASA's recent hype over weird space rocks
mircea_popescu: is this the "fema is storing bullets" thing again ?
BingoBoingo: Anyways latest rumor taking the alt-alt by storm is USG's obvious preparation for fake alien invasion.
BingoBoingo: But yes, gotta cought the water or not cough
BingoBoingo: The sooner we cube the sun, strap it to a pallet and abscond the more time it will take the terrans to realize the TMSR was the alien invasion after all
mircea_popescu: but, in any case, salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the self-same drowning.
BingoBoingo: Well yes, everything else is opportunity cost taking away from the critical sun cubing effort.
mircea_popescu: well i dunno i can just add everything to opportunity cost, the fact that the sun's not a cube may overshadow all these considerations.
BingoBoingo: Are you sure? Are the laffs worth it compared to other laffs you could be having? Like laffs on the seekrit beach
mircea_popescu: hey, it costs me ~nothing to keep reading the obits.
BingoBoingo: Hopefully the next one has the sense to defect to the republic before thumbing nose at old handlers
mircea_popescu: next time, find the republic instead.
BingoBoingo: Well, that's what it is today. It is thing derped much about and they celbrate the accreted derp
mircea_popescu: "usg made the us army into what it is today" "you mean a useless piece of shit, janissary corps 2.0 ?" "yeah!"
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell, SecureDrop was some sorta pantsuit thing Gawker and a couple other derpedias advertised accepting
mircea_popescu: this shit reads exactly like old soviet side jokes about the great production and utter penury.
BingoBoingo: Back to the other subject and efficacy https://www.elobservador.com.uy/a-lo-hiroo-onoda-se-quedaron-esperando-un-piquete-que-nunca-llego-n1158070
mircea_popescu: "Jamess encyclopedic knowledge of computer and network security was a key reason why newsrooms were comfortable adopting SecureDrop when it was still seen as something relatively new and unknown." what THE FUCK are we talking about, am i in some kind of reality distortion field ?
mircea_popescu: ~obscure website nobody uses because http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718478
BingoBoingo: And that is truly the mystery
mircea_popescu: "Yet SecureDrop would not currently exist without James, and he deserves all the commendation in the world for making it what it is today." << i'll need a primer on this, what "is it today" ?
BingoBoingo: And in other movements https://www.elobservador.com.uy/una-rebelion-whatsapp-contra-el-isis-uruguayo-y-los-comunistas-mierda-n1158082
BingoBoingo: Aha, the branding superiority saga repeats
mircea_popescu: there was a time (not so long ago!) when EVERY mark was known by ~everyone ; and not knowing one was perceived as a subjective lack not as an objective deffect ; and the whole shebang paid well. today i couldn't even order more of "his stuff" if i wanted to, putting in question the very possibility of "his" in "his stuff" and moreover the justification of labour or economic activity generally.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, leaving the talent aside, as who the fuck even cares, grass for the scythe : the ~entrepreneurial young & coming photographer~! which the fuck one of the numerous "mista photographies" expended the resources to produce this artefact.
shinohai: Some girls are smart enough not to advertise their trashiness with gaudy tattoos
mircea_popescu: if not her, then whom.
mircea_popescu: do you understand she's the equivalent of a "very smart kid", ie, 1.5 or so standard deviations up from the average ?
shinohai: 1/10 would not follow her up the stairs.
mircea_popescu: lmao check out the end of branding : exhibit a) https://image.ibb.co/j22296/00055d92_2889_72b3_714a_437ae2701953_958.jpg ; exhibit b) https://archive.is/jtYAL
BingoBoingo: In other news: https://freedom.press/news/tribute-james-dolan-co-creator-securedrop-who-has-tragically-passed-away-age-36/
BingoBoingo: They gave me a lead on refurb equipment and should be emailing numbers my way for review
mircea_popescu: (fwiw i always suspected that's the deep core of the pantsuit fascination with "eastern philosophy" : "o look, a cultural space fundamentally as self-alienated as we ourselves feel inside! THIS IS THE RIGHT BRAND OF EMO FOR MY NEEDS!".)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 01:11 phf: i think somehow lisp symbols tie into this, i'd call it sanskrit thinking, because you also see that a lot in sanskrit. let's attach as much meaning to this symbol as we possibly can, but when we speak the correct meaning will be communicated because the other person is also a vedic god
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768136 << for the record, that's ~exactly the cause of my http://trilema.com/2016/lets-do-chinese-together/ barf. "this is not a language and is not capable of supporting thought ; proceed without me."
trinque: looks like he was too quick with the hot potato
jhvh1: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
mod6: i like the bot idea
mircea_popescu: human society ~exists since the dawn of time as "men finding text in images of women"
asciilifeform: ah if in that sense then - what i said earlier. performanceart.
asciilifeform: ( the typical low-bit thing , is readily detectable even if you have nfi re the payload )
mircea_popescu: let it be obvious. the only thing it does is it makes it more demoralizing to the would-be eve.
asciilifeform: would be interesting if there were a way to stuff them bits that isn't screamingly obvious
mircea_popescu: "this picture contains sicritz in it" "does the lightbulb contain martian dataz also ?"
mircea_popescu: "oh, we will look for the strings". which fucking strings ?
mircea_popescu: so what are they gonna do, store piles of usb sticks at all airports and compare everyone's laptops for evil mp porn ?
asciilifeform: and dutifuly collect the pron aha
mircea_popescu: who even knows what's behind the nipple!
asciilifeform: iirc they already believe in 'evil jpeg stego everywhere'
mircea_popescu: let all porn i put in the chan be preserved forever as a matter of "national security" by all teh national-whatevers, why not.
mircea_popescu: confronted with this bot, said group of lamers has a choice : either ignore it, or else start going around with copies of my tumbler account.
mircea_popescu: well, suppose there's a (pompously named) "adversary", which is to say some group of lamers with delusions of self-importance, like say the (pompously named) united states government.
asciilifeform: this is not hard to do ( with e.g. the classical 'rewrite the low bits of r,g,b' algo ) but not clear to me what it accomplishes
mircea_popescu: 1. i say !S http://pastebin ; 2. bot searches for an image ; 3. bot embeds the pastebin in image ; 4. bot publishes the new image to its tumblr acct. ;5. bot links image here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: describe roughly what the bot would do
mircea_popescu: i sitll don't know what the objection here is.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-31#1357724 << the bare fact. but pretty sure we did a detailed one
asciilifeform: i couldve sworn we had the thread
asciilifeform: it hides nuffin if known. there exists no 'asymmetric stego'.
mircea_popescu: someone's gonna keep a list of all the tumblr images ?
mircea_popescu: (on its own tumblr page, why the hell not)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone wanna do a steganobot ? here's the spec : upon receiving a link to a pastebin, the bot picks a random tumblr image, doctors it, and links it.
mircea_popescu: "Manipulations of public opinions are understandably also among the general activities of the surveillance agencies [9], which at least partly explains the wild and bizarre discussion styles sometimes seen in certain Usenet groups and Internet forums."
phf: this is the first time i actually got to witness the entirety of the ritual (accidentally the cafe was in front of patch of grass, and i guess it was sufficiently cold that old ladies didn't want to go all the way to the park)
mircea_popescu: isn't that the weirdest shit ? good thing democracy gave 'em civil rights an' shit, i'd take scooping dogshit over subsistence hunting any day!!1
phf: on the lulzy side i can't get over american thing of keeping dogs and picking up their shit. i spent new years in upper east side, and was sitting at a small cafe one morning, watching these posh old ladies in expensive furs one after another scooping up little turds after their tiny beasts
phf: oh yeah india was pretty bad, there they don't have any use for dogs. though cats there fair even worse
shinohai wonders what the oriental fascination with torching dogs alive is ....
mircea_popescu: you think this, go visit argentina then see.
phf: *in general rather
phf: now if only they applied same principles to dog sales as well
mircea_popescu: admittedly back then veterinarian surgeons were a lot less common.
mircea_popescu: well, the not retarded ones, anyway. the retarded ones'd just shoot their own dog or w/e.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah, they were protected in old country most places also, it was the #1 trimmer of noob hunters. "don't wait to see what you're shooting, get a falcon, spend 2 weekls explaining self to forest guard"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 00:39 ben_vulpes: btw mircea_popescu: any lolz ever fall out of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767245 or did it fade away in horror at the magnitude of the task of even determining wtf tmsr is
shinohai: I did lemon-butter them, asparagus, no artichokes :/
mod6: na. i saw it get up, had it in my sight picture, could have pounded it. was only like 10 yds from me. but when i saw the tail feathers fan out, i let off.
mod6: i went hunting on sunday and the dog flushed up what I thought was a hen. was a hawk, eating a hen!
mircea_popescu: (in the story it's just used to characterize the male character as omnipotent ; but as literature is never divorced from ideology...)
mod6: <+shinohai> mod6 would be proud of me, I managed a pair of quail the other weekend when it snowed. << niiiiice!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> if mod6 came by all nonchalant like and was "hey, i shot a 350 lb shrimp today" what i;d expect the steak to taste like would be ~alligator. << yeah, probably would!
mircea_popescu: a very strong ideal property of this is given in http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#selection-245.1-238.5 ; which is a large part of the problem and also serves as illustration -- who the fuck knew that random whore story from 2014 is actually an expose on generative grammar.
mircea_popescu: "cultural management" discussed above is in this model the curation of permissible M overload on given Sn and the construction of G such that T is maintained.
mircea_popescu: the PROBLEM with this constructive view of hermeneutics is that a) often G fails in its function and that b) just as often people fail to correctly apply it, impredictably and unreasonably.
mircea_popescu: the interpretative theory (T) states that for all possible strings there is at most one M per present S. those which have exactly 1 for all S are called well formed ; the rest malformed.
mircea_popescu: suppose you have a set of symbols S1..Sn each with meanings Mij, i in n j in k. suppose you have a grammar G which has one function : if adding element Sx to a string made of q S, it permits you to discern which Sij are thereby invalidated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the doctrine that "alternative interpretations fall off as the tree is built" has two major weaknesses : a) you'd be surprised how often there's an unexpected fault in the dielectric and b) you'd be surprised how often people get caught in emo insanity.
asciilifeform: with the 'suggestively named tokens'
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 01:13 phf: so he might be saying ishvara, but the pleb is going to hear yahve. he should be expecting significant misunderstandings further down the communication
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768140 << this was the 'natural stupidity and artificial intelligence' thread
phf: Send Trump there with a one-way ticket?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 21:11 asciilifeform: at the cost of a bit of log clutter, let's indulge asciilifeform's crackpottery, and lay out 妓 ( U+5993 : whore ) :
phf: so he might be saying ishvara, but the pleb is going to hear yahve. he should be expecting significant misunderstandings further down the communication
mircea_popescu: phf in principle and up to a certain degree this can be pulled off. but the management of that degree tree is i'd say the principal job of cultural management. because holy shit the failure modes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, speaking of roman numeral systems, the dumbest thing about writing is that , doesn't come with a symmetric-comma.
phf: i think somehow lisp symbols tie into this, i'd call it sanskrit thinking, because you also see that a lot in sanskrit. let's attach as much meaning to this symbol as we possibly can, but when we speak the correct meaning will be communicated because the other person is also a vedic god
mircea_popescu: phf which is the fucking problem with the sort of mind. by avoiding to correctly order output (ie, most significant byte first!!) and ESPECIALLY by failing to correctly filter output (least controversial part is filtered, least copacetic part is passed, NOT the other way around!!!) is what mires technical discussions altogether.
phf: hah, you know that might be the gift of his delusion
phf: right, platonic unicode, i think it was more aligned even with common lisp's notion of character object or somesuch, than what the spec actually become. i think he might've ranted somewhere about ms fucking it up and such
mircea_popescu: nihongo they could figure out how to amputate was snipped.
mircea_popescu: anyway, jwz's own history, self-serving as it is, nevertheless seems accurate to me : mule is what was left once all the inept
mircea_popescu: "computers should do things" "yaaay" "here's the things" "OMFGWTFBBQ"
phf: huh, the world is a large and complicated place
shinohai: http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/#selection-155.2-159.18
ben_vulpes: phf: sadly all i have is a porch roof, bb gun, and alley full of squirrels and the occasional methwitch
shinohai: From today's trilema update "Bear in mind that it is deemed unethical within the Republic to write code if you haven't actually learned how to write it first, and that orcs' claims to have taught you something often turn out fraudulent upon examination."
phf: "lord vulpes, drunk with power, shooting the coolies from the back of his veranda" engraving, ca 2017
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 18:32 Swant: Because from what some other users have told me it's for buying and selling porn...
ben_vulpes: btw mircea_popescu: any lolz ever fall out of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767245 or did it fade away in horror at the magnitude of the task of even determining wtf tmsr is
ben_vulpes: which is the opposite of the cppmeatfield where a thing going over budget and timeline simply results in bigger budgets and longer timelines
ben_vulpes: well if you ship machines with a screamingly loud resonance because you took the pressure-hood's line feed directly off the air bearings feed lines without damping reservoirs most likely your office will never be tasked with anything other than sustaining work ever again
ben_vulpes: also the notion that technical issues aren't business issues simply points to the coolie-nature of the typical cpp slave likely to read such pap. certainly not the case where i'm concerned; the quality of code and systems delivered and maintained are of the *utmost* concern to the biz.
ben_vulpes: certainly suspect in that nowhere does it mention the supreme import of writing code *to be read*
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 15:40 phf: the whole font changes meaning take two is coming from the japanese. they were actively promoting this idea back during early unicode standardization days, where there was a strong drive to include every idiosyncratic version of kanji in the standard, because "that's how my family writes it in our last name".
phf: japs hated unicode for own, peculiar reasons, and still mostly do. the solution they were trying to push through on emacs actually supported their peculiar use case.
phf: mule is probably part of the greater concern within the overal situation which was japanese and unicode
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspect this was at the time the true problem : jwz wanted to unicode the japanese way and rms didn't even understand what's being discussed (which -- major fucking failure for the role, incidentally).
mircea_popescu: (the whole nihongo affair may be interesting to the student of high functioning autist idiocy because it's to my knowledge the only documented case of japanese being incredibly fucking dense in the sense of "dumber for being smart than if you weren't smart at all")
asciilifeform: phf: i'd actually rather see a resurrected zwei, than ancient cmachine cruft emacs, really
mircea_popescu: ok, here, jwz variant : emacs 18.48 released 18sep1987!!!! off which they started epoch, and 18.55 off which they based both 19 and through that venue lucid version
phf: oh ffs, literally down two lines down in the logs
a111: Logged on 2015-12-09 21:04 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-12-2015#1339543 << r. gabriel was the 'worse is better' guy.
mircea_popescu: not to mention they were both proceeding off "alpha" 19 which had been brewing at that time for at least 18 months.
phf: yeah, 59 is the earliest one i have
mircea_popescu: phf also, the split didn't happen around 18.59, it happened around whatever the fuck it was, 18.10. there was a period when both lucid and fsf were releasing "newer" minor versions, skipping the other's.
mircea_popescu: i can accept that terminology ; above statement becomes "of fucking course lucid didn't want an inanimate object seated in the chair"
asciilifeform: dunno that rms actually ~did~ anything in past 20+ yr. the man is a living flag.
mircea_popescu: this is not nothing ; even if it isn't the something one'd like it to be.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i can't think of any project that actually thrived under his management. systemd tard pm'd circles around a decade's worth of collected rms effort in half a year.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1990s rms, either. man was possibly the worst middle management i ever saw.
mircea_popescu: "i would like money from the internetz on my own terms kthx"
shinohai: https://lust.agency/ <<< "a goal to enable all human beings on earth to find their perfect sexual partner anonymously." What kind of sense does that even make?
phf: and looking just at the kernel (and generously ignoring various xlibraries and shitplatforms for 22) 497576 and 1439148 respectively
phf: for the curious emacs 18.59 2039069b where's 22.3 is 48010347b (that's just c,h and el)
mircea_popescu: tbh and fwiw, if i ran the xemacs i would not permit rms anywhere near any sort of merged variant either.
phf: i wonder of customize- facilitiy was already there by 18
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect the political divide is 100% xemacs will only accept merger INTO xemacs, which is to say, to get rid of rms, because he's useless / other camp can't get over "rms is useless".
asciilifeform: they couldn't embrace&extinguish, so infiltrated and poisoned yea
phf: x was already supported in emacs by then
mircea_popescu: besideswhich, at the time it was entirely unclear x will survive.
mircea_popescu: and rms saw ~no value in supporting x, especially if that was going to break any more of the thoroughly broken bag of fractures they were tending as emacs 18
phf: so emacs had some architecture, lucid took that architecture and tried making it more of a lisp machine (i.e. better foundation for writing elisp applications), then they tried pulling google.vs.linus and failed
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 20:48 mircea_popescu: "# fillerchar: A chosen special filler character to be used. This character is assumed to have no occurrence in the given plaintextstring and is not alphabetical." << holyshit wat.
mircea_popescu: in the EXACT http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767895 sense of, "well i dunno what to do with this data and so here's me warping a vector into a string"
mircea_popescu: ah. i dunno, i guess not cancerous in the "but i got id saying im female" sense ; but very much had the clap.
phf: actually i'm not sure i can, it's been a while since i've seen xemacs internals (i.e. >10 years). the point i was trying to make is that emacs ascii is talking about is a wholy different beats from the 1990s items, which were at the very least not cancerous
asciilifeform: phf: i'm curious re the politics of the continuing schism. what do the xemacsits and the orig-emacsists actually disagree on in modern day ?
phf: mircea_popescu: to be fair both xemacs and emacs of that vintage are the height of readable elegance, compared to emacs of any later period
phf: "hey man i just drive this tank, i don't know what makes it work" ok then.
mircea_popescu: presumably they do the good where one can at least read through and not want to hurt self ?
asciilifeform: i dun see what good any of these do outside of an actual lispm
phf: asciilifeform; first class characters like in common lisp for one, proper defstruct implementation, also they clarified significantly the buffer structure
mircea_popescu: this i judge as the right move, otherwise might've hanged self in despair years prior to republic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that may be so, but, again, have you looked at the data model ?
phf: but i then used it for a years, and learned elisp with it, and they were clearly making changes to elisp to make it not suck
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orig emacs pre-dates rms. goes back into the mists of time.
mircea_popescu: the gui focus of their endless flamewars was dumb and not particularily flattering, netiehr for the gabriel/jwz side nor for the rms+retarded eurobois side
phf: that's because you don't look under the hood
mircea_popescu: the data model of period emacs painfully reminds one of original eulora.
mircea_popescu: phf the only contentious portion none of the cucks addressed AT ALL is that lucid also wanted to take over. which may or may not be the right move, but utterly can't be "the one thing we don't talk about".
mircea_popescu: the lulz are endless, "wolff is a well known hack of 0 credibility, but his current crop of nonsense confirms '''what we already know''' so tjhere is that". ah, such lulz.
phf: my read on the situation is that it's a bunch of lisp machiners taking emacs and trying to turn it into a lisp machine, and rms having a ptsd reaction to it
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 00:55 asciilifeform: buncha derps in 1990s ran off to mikehearn emacs, back in the day.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766790 << xemacs was joint work by sun and lucid, it's hard to say who's the durps here, since it was a bunch of professionals with lisp machine background trying to plug particularly nasty holes in emacs architecture (back before there even was an architecture)
mircea_popescu: these fucktards are god's personal gift to comedy goldmines everywhere. just fields upon endless fields of permalactating lulzcows.
BingoBoingo: https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/3787690/morbidly-obese-pregnant-woman-whose-toyboy-lover-fed-her-through-a-funnel-is-now-facing-a-desperate-battle-to-lose-weight-so-she-wont-lose-their-baby/
mircea_popescu: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/books/review/trump-michael-wolff.html << in other lulz, the new york times now free speech fundamentalists.
mircea_popescu: or, possibly, the $100 tomahawk inventory burning resulting in ~0 roi of any kind. or or or.
shinohai: They have to give themselves fancy titles since they can't be a part of The Most Chauvinist Serene Order Of The Holes Gloriouses
mircea_popescu: also what's the diff between executive chairman (ie, member of the board doing the ceo job) and ceo ?
mircea_popescu: btw, in pantsuit distillate terminology is "legacy" as to the future or as to the past ?
asciilifeform: more proximately, kochian ('primeinc') gen will ~never give you the 2nd half of a twinprime pair
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform besides the fundamental (you gotta power your guess engine with something, guess whart you're powering it with) ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 2 frenchies, they actually bothered to do a bit of experiment. and found that the 'primeinc' distrib loox nothing like the natural one.
asciilifeform: found) only consumes roughly as many random bits as the size of the output primes, but we can show that its output distribution, even if it can be shown to have high entropy if the prime r-tuple conjecture holds, is also provably quite far from uniform... It is likely that most algorithms that proceed deterministically beyond an initial random choice, including those of Joye, Paillier and Vaudenay... ...or Maurer... exhibit similar d
asciilifeform: '...To the authors’ knowledge, the only known prime generation algorithm for which the statistical distance to the uniform distribution can be bounded is the trivial one: pick a random (odd) integer in the desired interval, return it if it is prime, and try again otherwise. The output distribution of this algorithm is exactly uniform... ...By contrast, the PRIMEINC algorithm... pick a random number and increase it until a prime is
diana_coman: knubie, play eulora, might do something either way to that heartburn at least
knubie: add Ricki Lake to the mix..
mircea_popescu: she could go on the apprentice, he could go on the "obnoxious mammie wants to pretend she reads" show...
knubie: who would you consider the favorite
mircea_popescu: other than obvious/glaring/cosmetic issues, this isn't even such a terrible idea ; though the properties of the conventional padding scheme are something you'd regret losing.
mircea_popescu: so basically, the summary would be, that fellow took symmetric cyphering, sawed it open, used half of the parts for an ad-hoc rsa padding scheme, and implemented the whole kaboodle in python./
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we dun have a bounded crapola-to-prime converter. was sorta the orig thread the mauerer thing was a continuation of.
asciilifeform: well yes, that's another op.
phf: shinohai: hah, it's not on her in this case, in fact she's relishing the opportunity. it's just not in my nature
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 23:53 asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
mircea_popescu: "# fillerchar: A chosen special filler character to be used. This character is assumed to have no occurrence in the given plaintextstring and is not alphabetical." << holyshit wat.
trinque: ah. knubie the command takes effect when someone does !!v
knubie: trinque: Ahh, worked for me now, had a couple min delay on the otp
mircea_popescu: anyway, friendly reminder : many people run this chan as a main/major part of their tty arrangement, read all the lines, you do NOT wish to advertise yourself as an annoyance.
mircea_popescu: what's the lul ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell aegis wouldja stop with the join/part spam
asciilifeform used thermal tape for meatspace otps for some yrs
asciilifeform: thermal tape dun burn quite as well as ordinary paper ( heat treated ) but it burns ok in a propane or butane flame, or with other accelerant
mircea_popescu: "just burn the roll as you use it"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr this is ~the best otp possible.
asciilifeform: aha they're sold in 60metre roll
asciilifeform: cute little thing. even has battery compartment ( for if mains give out , to finish birthing the buffer... )
mircea_popescu: you can buy them in multi-lm lengths np
mircea_popescu has some prodigal rolls of 110 mm thermotape...
shinohai: http://archive.is/SUV5O <<< I know it is Kruds on Security, but nonetheless lulzy "Snyder discovered that Overstock’s site just as happily accepted bitcoin cash as payment,....." to any old regular Bitcoin address
asciilifeform: theoretically this beast will print straight from a (downclocked, change 1ln in fg.v) FUCKGOATS ~sans computer~
asciilifeform: in other oldies, seiko's 'DPU414' thermal printer, can be had for <fiddybux, and not only prints 80cols x infinity (continuous tape) but knows how to eat rs232 and... print hexdump (up to 19200 baud)
shinohai: Apply more beatings phf, then she will cater through sickness AND health.
asciilifeform: i collect these.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's painful, jesus, guy has the right idea gets fucked anyway.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 14:53 asciilifeform: 'hardware isn't easy to build therefore couldn't possibly be necessary, the gods would not have made this level so hard, for me, the hero' or similar.
mircea_popescu: dude, this is painful to read. so he correctly explains the problem with trusting the massive "pki" imperial faux-crypto, "too large to practically read, proven insecure, etc". then ? "# Both communication partners have to download the same version 3x of Python from http://www.python.org."
phf: well, now that the fever dropped from halucinatory 39 to a pleasant 37.5, i get to experience an mp lifestyle: i just lay in bed and all my whims are catered to :)
asciilifeform: like the wireless ukrs