mp_en_viaje: "your honor, we rented a fucktoy" "when ?" "two years ago" "and ?" "last month it sprung a leak" turns to other party, "what do you have to say ?" "fuck them" turns back to you "okay... and what do you want ?" "we want money" "how's last month's sound ?" "umm" "so ordered"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it isn't that asciilifeform is convinced 'oh we'll win a suit and roll in dough' but that i haven't other constructive idea. ( to tell BingoBoingo 'hey get 2wks head start on rabbits and drinking to death' imho not constructive. )
mp_en_viaje: i entirely see no problem with you continuiong on this course, as a training exercise, for you. i do not have the expectation it will make money, your case is not actually that strong.
BingoBoingo: Based on the new enclosed aisle, I suspect there is the possibility there aren't entirely bankrupt. They may be ineptly pivoting to dumb provision of space for local heathen caches.
mp_en_viaje: i expect the roadmap asciilifeform paints (sue in uy, win, actually get paid, use proceeds to produce euro isp) is unlikely, if nothing else then because dockets routinely run multi-month in civil court, appeals are common, expense while not maxint also not trivial, and failure to pay civil judgements in corporate world a regular occurence.
BingoBoingo: The courts here do handle evictions far more quickly than across the river. Other than the former tax shelter reasons Argentines prefer property ownership in Uruguay because the courts do move (speed may vary when a Soviet monopoly is involved). Following some sit downs I hope to have a better picture on the chance to recover something, but I do want redundancy here. I've learned at least that much.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:21:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let'em file. BingoBoingo will be in the courthouse with the other creditors.
mp_en_viaje: the majority of the leverage there was the public shaming ; if ~bankrupt that's not much leverage.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:07:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: target can be in hiding all he likes, if he continues when the papers are served, we get default judgement neh.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941420 << well, the whole personel turnover thing is rather characteristic of imploded tech co, yes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:53:03 asciilifeform: fucking orcs. they went to sabotage the heat exchanger so could then blame delay on 'cooling problem', didnt they.
BingoBoingo: ISPddOs aside, Latecho does not appear to be anywhere near as healthy as they were when I arrived. The sales manager was on airconditioner duty. I strongly suspect the Freezone conversation happened through the intercom because they didn't want to reveal their falta de recursos humanos.
mp_en_viaje: in principle, there's strictly no defense from "partner sold out to sysco, new "careerwoman" dumb cunt installed in charge of it wrecked it". hapened to hp, can happen to you.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 18:05:45 mp_en_viaje: but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a terrible deal.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941608 << I am convinced burning it down will do nothing other than incur more costs.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 17:21:01 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will)
BingoBoingo: This datacenter mission I did get a chance to talk to Oscar alone. He was more informative without Maxi present. Pressed on whether Joaquim and other named folks I was acustomed to dealing with were still employed by Latecho he responded in the negative. Oscar also showed me his whatsapp conversations where he was begging with upstream folks. This supports the morning's hypothesis Latecho recently decerebrated while installing a bunch
BingoBoingo: asciiilifeform: The packaged FUCKGOATS are out of the cage. They managed to restore air conditioning though a few consumer model personal air conditioners were chained together in a gang occupying a portion of the front hallway. The normal airconditioners were indeed operational.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 18:11:00 mp_en_viaje: in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941621 << I will be sitting down with them tomorrow. I've been knocking doors to see if there's a hungrier, more aggressive model.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:34:01 BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Biggest Global ISP, the
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:14:48 lobbes: in other news, yesterday afternoon my right eyelid inexplicably became very swollen. Woke up today and it is even worse. Slightly concerning; may need to seek doctor. Made log reading a challenge this morning at any rate
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941360 << i ain't got the resoruces to multi-derp this. one shot, pass or fail, and ideally pass.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:06:49 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941357 << i meant the whole thing, when you're ready to make delivery and i hafta have a server ready for you to do this on.
mp_en_viaje: there's nothing wrong with blowing off some steam, but why direct it at him.
mp_en_viaje: you told him to do three things (incomprehensible, i thought he was the manager) none of which he can safely do or are liable to help anything if done.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is operating already outta the green on his tachometer and perhaps oughta stfu, unless mp_en_viaje or BB have specific qs today.
asciilifeform: latech was eating the lion's share of piz operating cost. and delivering, as turned out, pipe made of wet tissue. finally said tissue dissolves. BingoBoingo goes on careful fact-finding, finds monkeys making monkey noises re 'wait a month, maybe we'll fix' . can call comedy, tragicomedy, whichever.
mp_en_viaje: the former, i read something about maxint, something about flamethrower, then something about ~stalking some randos that don't even know you...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: was the point strictly that asciilifeform's output to BB, low snr , and needlessly stresses crew ? or that he oughta be doing something else than where i sent him ? or both ? neither ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, wait, she's the nicer one of us ?!
mp_en_viaje: yes, it's bad that pizarro-upstream link is via email through indian call center. but the solution to this bad is not "afterwards, send someone to manager's home, in a clown car". the solution is in the past : should've made better contacts.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 08:53:05 mp_en_viaje: Oh sure, you can wear a condom or cum in her mouth, as long as she doesnÂt poke a fuckin hole in that bitch or spit the contents out through a fucking Krazy Straw, directly into her own gash. She can even be on birth control, if she fuckin takes it. She could give you a hand job in a parking lot behind a convenience store on a warm sunny day, just make sure to cut off her fucking hand once sheÂs done. As far as I k
mp_en_viaje: understand something : the very absurdist style of unbounded exaggeration currently fashionable is quite unhelpful in crisis situations. all it practically does is stress out the crew.
mp_en_viaje: in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset.
asciilifeform: latech wrecked piz. (i find it difficult to picture that will be 'un-wrecked') . what would mp_en_viaje do in such case ? there's a clearly identifiable party in breach of (even orcish) contract .
asciilifeform: asciilifeform fwiw is following the 'what learned from mp_en_viaje' notebook.
mp_en_viaje: i seem to remember lawyer was on the original list of requisites he didn't get, back in the day. understand how this works : either you have ~from before~, or you... well, do not use.
asciilifeform: well so far we're a reseller of sandwich and in latest incoming crate they're fulla maggots.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i am at no juncture proposing that you shouldn't get what you paid for. i am however disputing the somewhat ill considered view whereby the reasonable escalation for your sandwich coming out wrong is calling the cops.
asciilifeform: well so far sent him to get barrister (sumthing that really oughta have been done aeons ago) rather than petrol.
mp_en_viaje: but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a terrible deal.
asciilifeform: the passenger may not have expectation to 'pot roast', but imho is justified in expectation of not flying from window.
asciilifeform: we're 1 rack, of perhaps 20 that had any occupants. so equiv. to passenger on a bus where 20 riders. nevertheless if driver of bus throws a paying passenger from window, this is to be paid for, notwithstanding that he is only 1 of 20 and paid only 1/20th of what was in the till.
mp_en_viaje: that has no bearing on how... well... they'd better fucking run their affairs such that they don't need to, either.
mp_en_viaje: so, to circle back to it : it is conceivable that management may not immediately drop anything and cook a pot roast for you at their family home.
mp_en_viaje: not that it should be or anything. but hysteria self-lathering also doesn't help anything, how shall i put this, tryna walk the line here.
mp_en_viaje: well, i don't sleep with the womenz, for one thing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje mentioned 2 pets , but some of the illustrations seem to include a 3rd, so will have to suppose used 3 rms.
asciilifeform loaded, sees 379 e / night for the max highend item .
mp_en_viaje: now divide the slut herd by two, add one for me, multiply result by whatever eur:usd is these days and... there you go.
asciilifeform: ( didja rent entire hotel ?! rather than room ? )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941343 << not to bring a crass hickup to the choir here, but iirc you were paying a month about what my hotel costs / night ? it's not precisely maxint, not that i'm proposing anyone merits no value for money or anything like that.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: spinner is substantially slower than the firehose from where cometh. but yes normally one does headers-only.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 12:15:33 asciilifeform: find where. and go there. holyfuq.
mp_en_viaje: so... yeah, whatever, if you operate your own ip space you should always have the damned thing at the ready.
mp_en_viaje: well, here's the secret : usually 0-ips aren't allocated, because... umm... people run loggers and things on those.
asciilifeform: baitbot is a working logger btw (on the latest patch). just aint of any practical use, it's a fire magnet is all.
mp_en_viaje: O LOOK MARGE!!! THEMS BYTES!!!
asciilifeform: asciilifeform operates exactly 1 machine at piz, dulap, under banner of snsa, since the asciilifeform expedition flight when was installed.
mp_en_viaje: all this at pizarro then ?
asciilifeform: dulap also served e.g. the rk example image, 2.5GB, downloaded by lotsa people w/ no ill effect on pipe
asciilifeform: they're playing fucking games
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:59:57 diana_coman: asciilifeform: re data in any case, it's the initial incident, I didn't specifically ask them for *all requests to my server*; I asked them exactly for "attack", apparently some 8 minutes on Friday before they updated their rules and got rid of it pretty much.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941312 << regularly these aren't even attacks, just monumentally ill set up spamatrons and the like. i linked examples, dude buys "out of the box" "solution", installs on "beefiest server available", has nfi what he's doing.
asciilifeform still suspects that there wasn't even ~this~ ddos -- e.g. phuctor erry day got hrs of 1000+/reqs/sec from idjit search engines, not only pipe but even ~it~ never fell
mp_en_viaje: in fact, by this standard trilema can leisurely ddos whoever the fuck.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: no one (at least not asciilifeform) was marvelling at the magnitude of the ddos or the ingenuity of the shooter
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this was multilayer shit sandwich -- turned out the pipe was so threadbare, that even just the mini-ddos was enuff to make it ~unusable
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:59:32 asciilifeform: unsurprising tho, ddostron likely switched to the remaining working ips, and the latech derps added them also to blackhole.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941311 << here's the problem : if every time some dork puts out 10k packets / 10 minutes the "isp" turns off an ip for a whole day, the piddly packet pissant is being amplified 24 * 6 = 144 by the "isp"
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will)
mp_en_viaje: fundamental problem with any attempt at management is that you either discuss failure, or else BECOME failure. it's inescapable.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: some amt of this is prolly not escapable in a mission like piz, which consisted largely of reconnaissance-by-fire. but yes this is likely the cardinal sin of ~erryone
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mp_en_viaje: you know, something is starting to come into focus. basically, republic is very effectual slut shredder. it massively attracts this sort of pleaser, who really really wants to be good. and then... ends up with tasks. and the tasks are... well... not actually designed, but simply what needs to be done. and sooner or later but sure as you'd like, the poor slut is on [http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/drei-hacken-36-56
asciilifeform: observe the chronology; at the time of asciilifeform's expedition, management still formally consisted of mod6 & ben_vulpes.
asciilifeform: loudly. erry fart is in the logs.
asciilifeform: if i wanted 'feel better', i know where the dope dealers live.
asciilifeform: i aint in the biz to 'feel better', ftr.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:11 mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
mp_en_viaje: aite, well. evidently i wasn't watching all that closely. good there's a record.
mp_en_viaje: nfi why i ended up with the idea he worked for you.
ericbot: Logged on 2018-07-13 22:36:05 mircea_popescu: 2. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831375 STILL didn't get a direct answer, two weeks later. this "withdraw into busywork" reaction to uncomfortable realities may work (it doesn't work, but subjectively may seem to work) in lines typically well fit to the autistic. but as things stand here it's at least mildly insulting to BingoBoingo, that he's the dood on the ground and you're somehow looking right throguh
mp_en_viaje: i guess i've not been paying close enough attention to this then.
ericbot: Logged on 2018-07-15 15:28:56 mod6: In other news, BingoBoingo has accepted the position as Pizarro Manager, and officially will take over in this role after the August Statement is published in the first few days of September. Congrats to BingoBoingo!
mp_en_viaje: can has link to said encouragement then ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:05:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and remember that yer the current chairman. dun let yerself get incapacitated, asciilifeform is not expert in chairmaning , but someone has to actually fucking steer the thing, or we're sunk, irons or no irons
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: he took the job ( with encouragement of mp_en_viaje et al )
mp_en_viaje: in my book you were the boss, he worked for you.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:06 mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say m
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:48:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941252 << asciilifeform is not the manager , even if has been forced to pick up the grenade , BingoBoingo is still in that chair. and as mp aptly observes, asciilifeform is approx same grade of manager as he is violinist.
asciilifeform: ^ entirely tru. but whothefuq even does ddos for ~anyone~ with 8 ? and how would these even be detectable as ddoslike.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941292 << the 8 were hers not yours tho.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 11:41:27 asciilifeform: and holyfuq, just 8 ?!!! and the fucking orcs put ~destination~ in blackhole, and not the 8 sources?!!!
mp_en_viaje: by now the pile of fucked things is pretty consistent.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941290 << she was gonna, but then... SHE DIDNT HAVE WHERE
asciilifeform: ty again mp_en_viaje , needed 1 of these .
asciilifeform: logger aint the only thing that's dead.
BingoBoingo: I want blood. You want blood. It's time to find some vampires to expedite the harvest. Morcilla is on the menu.
BingoBoingo: doors with the same pitch.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: About to head out the door. Orders have been issued to the Venezolanas to probe their networks for independent abogado/as with a manner uncommonly agressive for Uruguay with time to dedicate to a case pursuing maximum damages under the comemrcial and criminal codes for selling a faulty product advertised as first class for which just under 3000 USD a month has been paid the past 21 months. Going now to knock on a few
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am going to be headed in the datacenter direction. Will make sure nothing's on fire and rescue those irreplaceables.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aite. I'm going to give my mind digest and re-read time and then head out to knock on a couple doors to see who is hungry.
asciilifeform: trinque, mod6 , i think are the remaining. ^
asciilifeform: asciilifeform does not have anyffin personally owned in the cage. there is snsa iron, mp will be who decides when to evacuate. others -- themselves, ditto.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1st we hear from mp ; then to start taking reqs for evacuations.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Then we recoup value for yourself and mod6 from which to sprinboard next thing.
BingoBoingo: All of them doing TCP SYN without getting my dumps requested in person ours ago.
asciilifeform: unless they somehow find money in sofa cushion to settle
BingoBoingo: I am too dumbfounded by what I heard today to believe any hard won minutes of uptime is going to be more revealing than working to begin litigation and forcing them to divulge in court.
asciilifeform: ( after he's done w/ the current session of 'both of you have arse for a head and i oughta have thrown you into sea like two-headed kittens long ago' but expect will have what to add )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last night the machines were cool and accessible locally on the switch. Today they are probably still hot and angry.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wasn't suggesting this as a long-term connectivity. but atm we even lack means of seeing wtf is happening in the cage.
BingoBoingo: I would like to spend the rest of this afternoon productively setting up lawyer auditions with my copy of the contract and the local Código de Commercio
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They run fiber to the DC, but radio is what they provide to consumers and small businesses in remote areas.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They are, they are not sharing information in line with the industry standards they are expected to perform to, and we need to extract compensation from them from which to build euro-ISP or whatever.
asciilifeform: they're in breach of the contract BingoBoingo . elementarily. we've been paying for pipe, and aint getting no piping !!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At this point, based on the previous conversation, there seems to be in no person at Latecho or Dedicado who can get us pipe. I am inclined to begin auditioning commercial litigation folk this afternoon.
asciilifeform: atm we dun have a working isp, BingoBoingo . we MAYBE will have with what to build one, if the culprits are made to pay.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand that waiting will accomplish nothing. even supposing the mario & luigi derps come back and 'we fixed pipe, promise it won't happen again' it WILL happen again. week, month, year, later, and whole story will repeat.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let'em file. BingoBoingo will be in the courthouse with the other creditors.
asciilifeform: well atm the fucker thinks he is stomping a defenseless insect. important to convey that he is mistaken.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do not know how wise it is to tip the litigation hand and giving them warning.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well mp's giving a meat violin concerto or the like atm. and time is of the essence. so i will say, chairman 1st, for so long as BingoBoingo knows the obvious thing to say (i.e. pointedly NOT 'pleez dear sir can haz pipe back' but instead 'this is about the continued solvency of your company, the next conversation will involve barrister, now let's have working pipe, guarantees, and compensation' )
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-07#1941319 << I didn't manage to find the Trilema I wanted to link on that point. In the line I wanted to link you said something to the point of "raise rabbits, or do anything", I intend to litigate the Latecho issue, get more involved in National Party politics, etc. I wanted to honestly capture the despair my failure wrought on myself for myself and to read myself. And I feel less pregnant and more
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: target can be in hiding all he likes, if he continues when the papers are served, we get default judgement neh.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am ready to get rolling on 2-3. I suspect the target of 1 is in hiding. The contract was on the table as we discussed at the coffee shop. They looked at it and apeared to recognize what it was. I did not reference it or its text, but it was visible.
asciilifeform: no moar 'they will call me whenever, nfi when'
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:13:29 diana_coman: so they should get out of that "meeting" and talk already; you've been waiting *since Friday* for them to "talk to me", don't take anymore waiting because you really don't have much time left for waiting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Recently it filled up big. Someone put in a huged controlled access fence taking up 1 new aisle of Tower 4 and their racks are full. But yes I suspect they may be bankrupt/insolvent.
BingoBoingo: And yes, It appears it is time to start shopping the case for litigation
BingoBoingo: I suspect Latecho's situation degraded substantially and recently within the past month. It appears the folks who could run things quit or were chased out. Despite a recently installed giant multirack cage I assume is some streaming cache in the datacenter, Latecho does not appear healthy.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-06 20:27:07 mp_en_viaje: if indeed they just hitched you to an existing pipe and pretended, it's time to serve them papers registered with the whatever local intendencia handles business fraud.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for the handtruck there will be time later, when folx actually start to demand evacuation. presently you ought to be visiting 1) chairman's office, w/ contract in hand, and ready to explain exactly what will happen if service not restored (and compensation paid ). 2nd stop -- http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941177 , 3rd -- law office .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maximillian is the sales manager.
asciilifeform: fucking orcs. they went to sabotage the heat exchanger so could then blame delay on 'cooling problem', didnt they.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just as concerning as the Airconditioner fuckup is who was addressing it. When you were here, you met Joaquim who is(was?) the guy in the glass box. He did glass box stuff. I have no earthly idea why Maxi the sales manager and Oscar the Telecom manager were THE PEOPLE to be fucking with the air conditioners.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:22:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now, find that door. and if phone rings while yer fighting the guards, you can pick up.
asciilifeform: the other q , BingoBoingo , is : who the hell is maximiliano ? is he the chairman of latech ? ( cuz if not, what happened to this ?? )
BingoBoingo: After leaving with Oscar's assurance informaiton will be sent and with the final request that I do receive everything, I swung by Tienda Inglesa and bought a hand truck because I'll probably need one. I arrived back at the desk to see one email from Maxi asking if I could send him my phone number again because my Movistar Uruguay phone number doesn't appear to be a Uruguay phone number. I have yet to receive a datadump or link to a data
BingoBoingo: At one point they did ask IF I HAD ANY INFORMATION! I responded no. I received no ransom notes or anything that suggests an attack. (there's more)
BingoBoingo: customer service and that their ASN's BGP declares Pasawar Intl peers with Antel. When pressed on what would happen if this was Antel I received a lot of "I dunno" and head hanging. (there's more)
BingoBoingo: They did mention they and dedicado were looking into "Arbor", this suggest that they googled DDoS mitigation. Maxi offered 1 MONTH as the timeframe to implement a reasonably stable solution other than blackholing. I responded that if that is the case, I am going to need ALL the information and I am going to need it now. There were deflections to Century Link and the wait there, and I responded with CenturyLink's notoriously poor
BingoBoingo: only other non-Antel option they could have pursued in country is Telefonica/Movistar. Maxi boy appeared legitimately shocked when I pointed out Telefonica was shopping their Uruguay operation Pretrobras style and looking for an exit. Maximiliano said he was unfamiliar with that news. He his face contorted like an injured child's when I told him the news was in the local papers recently (there's more)
BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Biggest Global ISP, the
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's have the more
BingoBoingo: I paid for my own coffe drink called a 'lagrima' in cash and waited as they fiddled with the Pasawar Intl billing information to order their drinks. Oscar did seem inclined to forward information, but Maximiliano, like his predecessor Rodrigo interjected a couple times that he wants the information passed when "the situation is resolved". Each of these interjections was answered with "I am running a business" and repetition of the point
BingoBoingo: there will be zero nines of uptime for October.' That point kept being repeated... (coffee shop continuation next message)
BingoBoingo: they washed their hands we proceeded the quieter coffee shop one floor up for the breaking of the balls. On the way up I mentioned how a client's other datacenter in "third world moldavia" managed to sent .pcaps and detailed information. I was told the files they have are not .pcaps but "huge", I told them I want them anyways, that more than anything I need all the information because 'this first week of October has already settled that
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Back. I went to the freezone office, persisted at Latecho's intercom lock long enough to discover Maximiliano and Oscar together in the Tower 4 datacenter which houses our rack. Unlike the couple times last night where I visited a cool datacenter, it was hot and loud with the noise of angry fans. They declared that this isn't normal and that they had tried a routine "maneuver" with the air conditioners which failed. After
lobbes: Though, now that I think of it, I may have just inadvertently scratched the inside of my eyelid the other day while rubbing it; irritation seemed to begin after that event. I'll let it alone and give it until tomorrow in any case before seeing doctor (perhaps save some time/money this way)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 16:15:02 diana_coman: lobbes: any chance some spider/insect simply bit you? it can get very spectacular but nothing to do with the eye itself.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941363 << could be insect (def. buggy here much like asciilifeform-istan). Though there are no visible 'bumps' that would indicate a bite. I've been prone to "styes" before as well, but in this case it is a more uniform swelling of the entire lid vs a stye which tends to be focused on one area.
asciilifeform: ( atm the barf you get if you , like asciilifeform , hamhandedly forgot to include a patch in 'patches' , is cryptic )
lobbes: asciilifeform: aha, I did notice it detected the disconnects like a champ
asciilifeform: i had a chance to deploy right before the pipe's last epileptic fit .
asciilifeform: lobbes: the autodisconnector in fact was thoroughly tested, while dulap was 'half alive' on sat.
asciilifeform: tips for fyooyoor vtronicists : if press barfs that cannot find antecedent, use the 'o' (origin) knob on the unfound hash. will say if is even in tree anywhere
lobbes: in that case I will deploy detect_disconnect tonight methinks. The mp-wp bot will probably end up forking from this point in the logotron tree as well
asciilifeform: (however does not include removal of the doublequote thing, will be in next.)
asciilifeform: ok i was wrong, in fact was missing 'sept_errata' in the test press.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I have pressed only to active_disconnect, not further
asciilifeform: meanwhile, diana_coman , lobbes , i'ma have to regrind the latest patch, it is defective (and not simply on acct of the double quotes thing) , apparently in 'a' of diff had wrong copy of MANIFEST .
diana_coman: lobbes: any chance some spider/insect simply bit you? it can get very spectacular but nothing to do with the eye itself.
lobbes: in other news, yesterday afternoon my right eyelid inexplicably became very swollen. Woke up today and it is even worse. Slightly concerning; may need to seek doctor. Made log reading a challenge this morning at any rate
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner.
asciilifeform waits for word from the front.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now, find that door. and if phone rings while yer fighting the guards, you can pick up.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems to me that we're being elementarily defrauded, and that the very next thing to do will be to get whatever passes for attourney in that shithole.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so, you show up there with a copy of the fucking signed contract, and 0 doors will open?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The freezone office is door, behind a couple doors I don't have keys too
BingoBoingo: But we do have Oscars: "We are working on that with the ISP. As soon as we get the information we will send you." showing they in all likelyhood don't know what pcap is
asciilifeform: find where. and go there. holyfuq.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They are either in the freezone nearby or aguada park on the other side of time
diana_coman: so they should get out of that "meeting" and talk already; you've been waiting *since Friday* for them to "talk to me", don't take anymore waiting because you really don't have much time left for waiting
asciilifeform: and how about the actually in-command bipeds ? they are in brazil or where ? why can't get to'em in person ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how come it has to be via phone ? i was in that thing, there was a glass box with bipeds in it
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: did they not even answer or why call back
diana_coman: because so far from the info coming out they have been doing just one thing, namely nullrouting your IPs and precisely nothing else.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: can you actually talk directly to anyone there and find out exactly, specifically, concretely just *what* they have been doing, step by step, since Friday attack-time until now?
asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo they have an office in there, don't they ? why are you stuck waiting for email replies ? go there
asciilifeform: ( why was diana_coman's 'we' able to digest the whole thing in <10min, and our 'we' takes 4days and still aint digested ? )
asciilifeform: 'We are working on that with the ISP.' << who's 'the isp' ? antel ? can we cut out the layer of 'we' who 'are working with isp' ?!
diana_coman: asciilifeform: tbh that's the mind-boggling thing ie what exactly are/were latech doing; and I'd say BingoBoingo_ goes there with a flamethrower and doesn't leave until he finds out.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if BingoBoingo is in the cage nao, bazaring w/ latech, as was proclaimed ( and not, saw, cowering in a hole ) i expect today we'll get something resembling an answer.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: re data in any case, it's the initial incident, I didn't specifically ask them for *all requests to my server*; I asked them exactly for "attack", apparently some 8 minutes on Friday before they updated their rules and got rid of it pretty much.
asciilifeform: unsurprising tho, ddostron likely switched to the remaining working ips, and the latech derps added them also to blackhole.
asciilifeform: apparently whole orchestra dead in water? BingoBoingo are you alive in there ? wtf ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:11 mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:13 mp_en_viaje: he's studied ~nothing, he's changed to no degree, he's just waiting for it to come out of his fucking birth canal already so his ankles unswell and he can walk without a swaddle again. of course, they'll probably impregnate him again later, they, the unknown, the unspeakable fates, these shadowy men he doesn't know the name of nor can even look in the face of, they just come at night and fuck him pregnant, and the
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941254 << asciilifeform also not wwwist, but had to pick up e.g. the logotron, because no one else stood up. this is what happens when dire shortage of manpower.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:06 mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say m
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941252 << asciilifeform is not the manager , even if has been forced to pick up the grenade , BingoBoingo is still in that chair. and as mp aptly observes, asciilifeform is approx same grade of manager as he is violinist.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 08:08:16 mp_en_viaje: you're, for the experience, not now an experienced sales guy. what are you ? what were these months spent doing ?
asciilifeform: i'm persuaded that the latech dummkopfs ~also~ have nfi what is pcap.
asciilifeform: and holyfuq, just 8 ?!!! and the fucking orcs put ~destination~ in blackhole, and not the 8 sources?!!!
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail
mp_en_viaje: and THEN he has newton go into fucking monologue, like wanna-be shakespeare, "oh i am so and forth and my parents and my curse", what is he, fucking bastiano ?
mp_en_viaje: i've over the years reviewed a lot of widely distant grant proposals and then deliveries on those proposals ; but shaw's play here discussed is by very far the most disjunct. i feel defrauded.
mp_en_viaje: motherfucker.
mp_en_viaje: i fail to see the difference between this shaw and yesterdays moron with the vasectomized real men. i do. it's not fucking present
mp_en_viaje: and THEN charles is this guy who;s gonna pick up any maid he sees, because totally.
mp_en_viaje: and then, inverosimilously, his housekeeper, who memorized 3*6 and 3*8 as such, as pure symbols, "why 2 schillings and not 9 glubghsh?" does not know 21. because what the fuck, she's only been doing this for decades and it just didn't stick in her mind. she's a 6yo 50yo very respecable moron.
mp_en_viaje: if newton was dumb enoguh to approach 3*7 via log and "antilog", he'd never have been "known by the claw", because no fucking claw here. in point of fact, the man was specificaslly famous for NOT doing the equivalent of the log detour, in situations where nobodyu else knew the direct route.
mp_en_viaje: then his idea of showing just how brilliant newton is, is to add logarithms to do multiplications and to tell some eager barrista her lifetime in seconds. because TOTALLY, this is exactly NOT historical newton, but an insulting parody made by the illiterate, with no fucking point of contact ewith actual reality besides the name.
mp_en_viaje: and THEN, to balance out the political unbearable idiocy, he wants to also add an artist.
mp_en_viaje: essence of old woman what the fuck!
mp_en_viaje: "and then," he follows, "george fox was great".
mp_en_viaje: oedipus rex is nothing else and naught besides "what if jocasta met oedipus". that they coincidentally did meet, whereas newton and charles coincidentally didn't meet is irrelevant. it's the lot of the greeks to only write a bout encounters that took place, through lack of correct numeration system to permit them egress from their simple naivity. but we have better representation systems, so we can write better thestre.
mp_en_viaje: then he moves on to point out that the only source of interest is... encounters. meeting. "what if newton knew charles ?" is the mother of all theatre. i can see this, it makes perfect sense, and it's the exact sort of stroke of utter genius that makes shaw have a name in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: which yes, liberates threatre itself from the directly munane requirements of the trade in meats. if you want to get a better price for the prize heifer you raised, get her a "leaked tape", don't try and put her in a play. alright, all good.
mp_en_viaje: "class of 2019 does the soubrette presentation" is legitimate pron ; and naught else really is.
mp_en_viaje: it is, i'm with him. there;s also no need to keep pretending "new titles" for porn films. you need... i dunno, mAAAAybe a few dozen, pre-given and fixed forever ; then keep re-shooting them ~as such~ every time there's a new cunt comes off the highschool benches juicy enough to justify the effort.
mp_en_viaje: i can follow along with the man, "hey, restoration comedy as a vehicle for the trade in meats, yet another-eth attempt at selling whatever young cunt's hips, thigs, waist and tits under the flimsy pretext & distraction of "being" moll whatever is outstandingly uninteresting
mp_en_viaje: you're going to be the guy who went to uruguay to establish republican isp who instead started subsistence farming ? the man from the future turned into the dead of the past ?! become a fucking guarani now ?!
mp_en_viaje: it's not a fucking skill, surviving through ad-hocisms is not manly. it's the exact equivalent of becoming a transvestite, except not bothering with the exterior aspect of the matter, a woman trapped in a man's body slightly differently than the twinks.
mp_en_viaje: is this some kind of failure worship, you get a scholarship to go to university, do not meaningfully show up to any class, then when they come to evict you from your dorm room you "figure out a way" to hang a rainproof sheet from the fire hydrant, "make yourself a shelter", "hey, it's a skill also" ?
mp_en_viaje: so you're going to... raise rabits ? what possible sense can this fucking make, it's this concept of the failure personified, instead of raising above the minimum bar you plan to entrench it as an insuperable maximum ?
mp_en_viaje: if you don't study and practice to be a manager, you will never be one, except in contexts such as "a disappointing manager". if you don't study and practice to be a dc tech, you will never be one either. nothing you will be, unless you study and practice that thing, and these are not idle words, they're day after day and hour after hour ~actual~ activity.
mp_en_viaje: k for another however long with some incomprehensible thing he's really trying to insulate his own identity from.
mp_en_viaje: he's studied ~nothing, he's changed to no degree, he's just waiting for it to come out of his fucking birth canal already so his ankles unswell and he can walk without a swaddle again. of course, they'll probably impregnate him again later, they, the unknown, the unspeakable fates, these shadowy men he doesn't know the name of nor can even look in the face of, they just come at night and fuck him pregnant, and then he's stuc
mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later.
mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "surprised by wealth" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say mean, hurtfu
mp_en_viaje: there's ten thousand details, just like that, and you can eat or try to eat or byte or whatever a few each day, and more each week, and then week after week after week you eat the whole thing. this is how the world was built, because no part of it was yet borne by woman, all was built, by men, laying brick on brick and rivet on rail and each and every part individually without exception all the way from the bottom to the ver
mp_en_viaje: if i show you that indeed peering arrangements are trivially reviewable over the internet you then apply it, that's fine, but why do I have to show you, you were there for all these years and never did it occur to you to look ? why not ? you did not know dcs peer, for instance ? it never occured to you that they must ? why not ? what's needed, other than me showing you specifically, for it to occur ?
mp_en_viaje: w it with the threads of connectivity, because you're not fit to be a citizen of the 1950s when they put the man on the moon and i belong, i firmly and substantially belong in the 2000s, when we have undersea cables" ?
mp_en_viaje: did you spend your time poring over "how does networking work ?" "what is connectivity ?" how many dc maps did you review, how many dc people did you talk to and what about, did you bother to learn the global connectivity map by heart, just as a fuckyou to the darkness, "look, i can trace all the main lines people spent millions / meter to even lay in the first place, you can't even draw the fucking planisphere and i can dra
mp_en_viaje: did you build yourself the list of all the parts of the thing, and then the complete details of each and every single one of them, that ever historically existed, and the practical dexterities of making them all and so on ?
mp_en_viaje: for things to exist they have to be made. for things to be made you must know what things there are and how they are made.
mp_en_viaje: if tomorrow republic declared you a gunsmith, would you put up a shingle reading TMSR Gunsmith and then sit indoors in the dark until kicked out ? meditating, maybe ?
mp_en_viaje: are you pregnant with pizarro, is that the idea ? it's not gonna happen by itself, you know, it has to be ~made~. built, like a thing, product of ~man~'s industry, out of all the parts, individually, each made correctly and exact, all put together as is proper. interesting things are never born, they're always ~made~.