mircea_popescu: phf there's no direction re proper cuz of first principle issues, i dun want to make dumb part of the history.
phf: mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me what "properly handle" is, given the many conversations on the subj. there's no reason why it couldn't if there was some direction as far as proper. i'm personally leaning towards the idea that binary blobs shouldn't be in vpatch (as per latest thread on subj), but it's a non-pragmatic take
phf: there's a reason why mp-wp hasn't been genesised yet :p
mircea_popescu: let people provide their fucking own avatar favicon etc.
phf: second solution that was entertained by ascii was to base64 encode binaries and have a second pass with something like makefile to pack them back into place
phf: the oldest solution, by i believe mp, is "replace all the mp-wp images with their svg equivalents"
phf: hanbot: there's no policy on this, it's an unsolved problem with lots of different solutions
hanbot: i'm trying to make a genesis for mp-wp ; first coupla lines of vdiff's output could be a problem: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/irACN/?raw=true . what's the policy on this?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "i'm just the doorman", http://78.media.tumblr.com/6c5e2674d445a6547e578c7061b531e2/tumblr_inline_o2qnfetugT1thjhje_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how the hell can that thing contain NO numeric characters ?! do it properly, x - y - z - k = q.
phf: did you get the source directly from mp, or did i republish it? i remember being asked for the source and putting it up at some point, but i don't remember by whom and too lazy to log in this case
shinohai: Hmmm ... I may have put it in there to test or something.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 19:23 hanbot: hey shinohai, what is wp-patch2.diff in the mp-wp hosted @ http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wp-mp.tar.gz ? i see no sig, no...from where/whom is it?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773562 << pretty sure that's one of mine, it's either comments.diff or it could be a diff against the baseline wp of that vintage (i wanted to see what kind of modifications exactly mp version introduced)
mircea_popescu: trinque i can tell you it was a multi-week pain in the ass to clear the shit out of eulora codebase.
trinque: and has the type
trinque: anyhow if anyone recalls specifically why int64_t was present on some systems and not others, I'd be interested for the HISTORY file.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 15:43 mircea_popescu: spyked re pingback thing, doesn't even have to be that hand-generated ; just walk the db, extract all links, construct the calls as shown and make curl calls. can be a bash script.
mircea_popescu: sometimes (often) wordpress manages to lose a pingback ; that thing will walk your db, spit out properly formatted xml payloads for all links in all your (published) posts. the resuilt can be run as a bash script to catch up on any missed pingbacks.
hanbot: in other lulz, check out /mp-wp/blog/wp-includes/Text/Diff.php
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo do a few trades with the locals to get a feeling of the place an' report ; also gpgram me the story of bbisp fiat holdings ab origine. << Will do
shinohai: Worth looking into tho, I should grep and see if this patch was applied at some point in there. Thanks for notifying!
shinohai: The only garbage I remember in the one on my site was I changed icons in the images/ directory, otherwise I believe as I received.
shinohai: I was unsure hanbot, I don't recall if I ever asked mp about it, or why it was included in the copy I got originally.
hanbot: hey shinohai, what is wp-patch2.diff in the mp-wp hosted @ http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wp-mp.tar.gz ? i see no sig, no...from where/whom is it?
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asciilifeform: i've been tempted to replace the idjit captcha with... pehcode riddle
asciilifeform: then yes
mircea_popescu: that's the past 5, covering a coupla days. so i guess it's more than 1/day
mircea_popescu: these are all distinct ips as at some point (maybe 2015 ish ?) i wiped dupes. but i get maaaybe 1 spam item in review queue per day
mircea_popescu: it has a queue of items to be reviewed (by default everything with a link goes in there). so in this sense it takes some training.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun expect it is possible for it to not work if wp otherwise does work.
mircea_popescu: one thing it does is <input type="text" name="author18c6e55" with that hash changing daily (or how often you please) ; another thing it does is a "refuse from ips in spam list" ; there's more i might nor recall right off.
mircea_popescu: there's a number of parts to it! but it makes no foreign calls / doesn't rely on the akismet bs, if you can run php oyu definitely should be able to run it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu didja ever describe how your spamfilter worked, in the logz ?
mircea_popescu: it's the expectation here.
mircea_popescu: my own notes say "he for some reason confused the ip of the people leaving comments with his own, went off tangent ; to be rediscussed later".
mircea_popescu: i have the feeling we discuss this periodically. what's dynamic ip to do with it ?
mircea_popescu: use mp-wp, dun have the problem.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has an excellent point though. it's fucking unseemly, EVERYONe must report to google they're reading loper ? come the fuck on.
asciilifeform: ( recall the fermat proof thread )
asciilifeform: depends on the cost of evaluating $thing.
asciilifeform: though could observe, the brotherhood of folx who indeed 'serveste mie radicalurile' went pretty far.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu went to the wrong door, then, lol, the christians dun worship artisanry, the masonic door is down the hall
mircea_popescu: (has any of the reformed-judaism-that-calls-itself-xtianity folk even CONSIDER to date that it's fucking weird their divine item was shown as ~a very competent nigger~, talking smack in church and whatnot, but is not even CONSIDERED in terms of his vocation ? where's the passage in the "here's what we stole from torah" where it is gone into detail as to the quality of the man's joints ? because there's oodlebunches of idle pa
mircea_popescu: but yes, asciilifeform 's suspicion is very much my own -- the "chuka writer" and the "chuka reader" circles are very close to identity.
mircea_popescu: which is why societies that fail to teach basic numeracy to girls as a collective spring up all the time, and quite naturally : they are realising "savings" in the sense of bacteriums.
mircea_popescu: teaching MOST girls basic numeracy is not actually a gain for the most girls in question ; the whole thing is that for the ~very fucking few~ for whom it IS a gain, it is such a thundersome gain it eclipses the "inconvenience" imposed upon the majority.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/la-ce-imi-serveste-mie-radicalurile/ fails to even consider or discuss this point (for sheer lack of interest at the time), BUT : for most people, square roots as the concept do not bring any sort of gain.
asciilifeform: i suspect that the 'benefits from reading x' circle is never all ~that~ much larger than the corresponding 'could have written x' circle.
mircea_popescu: we're not even considering the point of, "could okcupid/facebook/mit/etc scum rewrite trilema". we are considering whether "the collective of x" COULD EVEN BENEFIT from reading it.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-26 06:23 asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'
mircea_popescu: ygrade", i mean there WILL NOT, period, be anything he could have fucken found.
mircea_popescu: and i don't even mean ~subjective~ functions here! it's not a case that "to the exceptionally gifted as identified by ivy league, worth as he is maybe $1000 with clothes included, the subjectively perceived marginal value of information is slightly negative. no, no, no, OBJECTIVE, you can tell him whatever the fuck you will and he will not have any use for it -- i don't mean "he won't be able to find any use, above his $1k pa
mircea_popescu: (where HVF is the human value function, ie in most cases http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-133.333-133.484 ; and IVF the information value function, ie in most cases... http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#footnote_0_57849 )
mircea_popescu: here's the sad fact of the matter : if you plot the HVF against the IVF, you will discover that the diff doesn't get above water until far far FAR three standard fucking deviations out in right field. for most humans information value is negative.
mircea_popescu just re-read it, and it's like... hello 1995! where were you all these years!
mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y01/038-the-archive.html << this is so fucking endearing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do a few trades with the locals to get a feeling of the place an' report ; also gpgram me the story of bbisp fiat holdings ab origine.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 02:36 trinque: literature seems exactly the right item to define line of project history, both in the obvious and vtronic sense
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 22:55 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <-as I realised I never said this anywhere: this trouble with no-pingbacks on page is part of the reason why I have post+page for this sort of thing (the code reference shelf is one, the bac data another) - so that pingbacks can go at least to the post introducing the page; ugly workaround of sorts
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773406 << yeah i think ima have the page style changed.
asciilifeform: or rather, if foo*bar == baz print "true" else print "false" or in that spirit.
phf: i don't grok the first homework: do you mean produce random computations, and programmatically verify ffa against them?
trinque: literature seems exactly the right item to define line of project history, both in the obvious and vtronic sense
asciilifeform: trinque: is there a changelog-eating vtron somewhere ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 17:48 mircea_popescu: incidentally, there's an evident join here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772670 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759127 are evidently the same item. have a comment format for it and bam, project philosophy file with press history.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773147 << I've got several cleanup patches coming before the walletsnip. anybody have a serious objection to me introducing a changelog in the first?
asciilifeform: i.e. Product is only written to as result of the FZ_Mod call , http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians#L148 , which in turn , inside FZ_Mod, is a clean 1-shot, http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians#L102 . QED.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771712 << at the risk of thread necromancy ( item was candidate for ch8, so i gotta ) this is false. FZ_Mod_Mul as seen in ch7 IS bufferized, because ch7's FZ_Mod is.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2018/01/20/urbanism-feminises-judaism-desexualises-or-the-waxing-fashionability-of-being-penetrated/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Urbanism feminises, Judaism desexualises. Or the waxing fashionability of being penetrated.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 17:12 mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <-as I realised I never said this anywhere: this trouble with no-pingbacks on page is part of the reason why I have post+page for this sort of thing (the code reference shelf is one, the bac data another) - so that pingbacks can go at least to the post introducing the page; ugly workaround of sorts
asciilifeform: not arrested : the emplaced-seekritz-in-aol-acct idjit reptile
phf: also the whole exercise only becomes worthwhile if i can also produce reasonable html out of the cweb source, since there's general allergy here to pdf/ps
phf: by the way, knuth's CWEB nicely solves the whole auto-wrapped comment issue. the TeX part doesn't mandate newlines, and obviously does it's own formatting, but the C part is also very aggressively formatted by the CWEB code. specifically /* comments */ are treated as TeX source, and get re-wrapped according to TeX rules.
phf: in unrelated i managed to produce a literate programming dvi out of diff's source code from first principles. the actual content is not really a literate programing, since it was mechanically produced, and it doesn't yet compile since cat of headers and source produce a bunch of duplicate definitions, but first step.
diana_coman: hence the end of the line there: "I didn't really find a reasonable way to keep comments in"
mircea_popescu: every updatre to a footer (eg, the select script) has to take a bash script ? meh.
diana_coman: ftr I'm still on wp purely because there has always been something else topping the pile; I just about switched to statically generated pages too but I didn't really find a reasonable way to keep comments in
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 17:12 mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773347 <- I think pages should take pingbacks! and tbh I never really understood why are "pages" so special; the way I see it, "pages" are just posts outside of the time-flow, "sticky" posts basically
asciilifeform: (consider, it is the default. why??)
asciilifeform: the 'binary signature' thing is astonishingly idiotic kochism.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773313 << i wrote a little checker for eater, and the other one binary is asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch.asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: um. it's either visible or it isn't neh.
asciilifeform: why would you do this on the www box end
asciilifeform has never used the wp uploaders, or given wp write-access to any unixdir
mircea_popescu: the problem is that this intuition would seem imply that there are actually TWO kinds of links, ie first class and second class, and this is what ineptitudes like http code 30x are trying to implement
mircea_popescu: 2. if i upload items, i'd very much like to use the already extant uploader ; but that thing puts everything in year/month directories. tho i think this is actually a good thing, tell people "do not link item directly, link the code shelf itself".
shinohai: http://archive.is/5mr7c <<< In printolade news "Tether printed MORE USD than US government in 2018"
mircea_popescu: i have a coupla problems in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773273 that design input is welcome on. 1. the intuitively correct format for this would be to make it a page (like http://trilema.com/eulora-shop/ ) rather than an article. but mp-wp pages don't take comments/pingbacks, which im starting to think is the height of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: only thorn is the xml baked in, but w/e.
spyked is reading the spec ( http://archive.is/FQ7P ); until now, lived with the wrong idea that pingbacks are a wp-dependent thing. but hey, it looks pretty clear!
mircea_popescu: note however the format is flexible, there's a tag to announce rpc endpoint, and you can put there whatever you want.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 15:53 mircea_popescu: this is not even a fair statement : if you notice such a call in your log fail, it is YOUR item that is broken. the assumption that you're pingbackable is in fact ~The Right Thing~.
spyked: it is (the payload, sans armor and version string)
spyked: hi asciilifeform. applied your pill on my tree, can confirm it did the job
shinohai: Too bad 'OR 1=1/* doesn't work on them.
BingoBoingo: But is very nice to have a day where the task does not involve trying to recieve sane outputs from the locals
BingoBoingo: In other news, signing contracts Monday in the afternoon. This weekendś adventure setting up a MUSL webserver for Qntra.
asciilifeform: ^ unlike 'just sign again', this will fix OTHER people's sig
mircea_popescu: this is not even a fair statement : if you notice such a call in your log fail, it is YOUR item that is broken. the assumption that you're pingbackable is in fact ~The Right Thing~.
mircea_popescu: 99% of all the stuff in anyone's www log is crap anyway ; going up to 100% in the case of facebook world.
mircea_popescu: so if they go to non-wp links what happens.
spyked: the commentbot idea sounds pretty neat
spyked: calls should go only to WP links though, right? I don't remember how Wordpress did it (did it look for /xmlrpc.php ?). though I suppose it should work either way (non-WP links would 404 and that's that)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-20 11:42 spyked: I am working on adding comments (one of the yet-untested ideas is reading only gpg-signed comments), but that's a low-priority item on todo list atm
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-20#1773258 << i dun think this is such hot stuff ; i personally wouldn't bother to sign just to leave a comment. but if you care, here's an alternative : make a bot, have comments be sent to it via command. iirc danielpbarron had something somewhat in this vein, dun recall how automated tho
mircea_popescu: spyked re pingback thing, doesn't even have to be that hand-generated ; just walk the db, extract all links, construct the calls as shown and make curl calls. can be a bash script.
spyked: in theory, the browser itself could do the highlighting. but this breaks the URL scheme by introducing a magic "#selection-x.y-z.w" class of anchors.
spyked: (what I'm trying to do is separate the browser/linking text snippets part from the need to embed an entire js interpreter in there.)
spyked: yeah. ideally, I would like to be able to look at the link and figure out to which text snippet it refers manually. or at least have a way to compute without parsing html. hm.
spyked: aha. in particular, trilema anchors are generated based on the occurence of js dom-tree elements. wait, I'm gonna find an example
mircea_popescu: very different from the alt-6 mark style of kbd term
spyked: mircea_popescu, I wanna first get a working item (js highlighting for trilema anchors) then make everything link into a static binary, then post them. as they are right now, I expect them to be unusable on many systems (e.g. musl-gentoo).
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 02:14 mircea_popescu: recall at some point was some pompous asshole locklin, "scientist" ? there's no end conceivable of supply. once one swallows the "always has choice" usg pill, that one becomes this. it's inescapable.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 01:30 asciilifeform: in other folx who apparently had gone fullbore usgtard since i last looked : lubos motl. e.g. https://motls.blogspot.com/2018/01/korean-backlash-to-planned-bitcoin.html .
mircea_popescu: as to the chat, i'd much hear your malformed oppinions than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772852 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772915 ; http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22+orlo%22 ; http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=yarvin ; http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Yudkowsky and the rest of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767149
mircea_popescu: well so then!
spyked: which reminds me that there are a lot of things that I've left hanging since december, e.g. the w3m-js shinohai found that I rebased, and the ns-js library. left hanging because I haven't yet figured how to make trilema js anchors highlight in w3m-js (or any other text browser)
spyked: hm. "This exists because sourceforge went down for a week during July 2015, making it necessary to maintain local copies."; yeah, publishing these makes a lot of sense. I don't know if I'd find all the libraries I used for the blog if I were to look for them again.
mircea_popescu: hey, there ~already exists~ a sort of primitive "code shelf" on s.mg site : http://minigame.biz/eulora/source/
spyked: so I'd probably sign them separately?
spyked: there are some dependencies on cl-who and a few other libraries, which for now are taken as they are (similarly to trb "deps")
mircea_popescu: can go on the shelf!
mircea_popescu: yes. for the lisp languishes reason above.
spyked: hi mircea_popescu. sure, I remember russell's thing. but is that really a problem? (as long as there's a republic to squash the cocksure idiots)
spyked: shinohai, I use a self-rolled static page generator based on Common Lisp (CL-WHO) (and Pandoc for parsing Markdown, but pandoc and markdown are both optional, of course). I have the source code published on shithub, but it's mostly hacked together, so in this sense not very different from any static site generator. https://github.com/spyked/thetarpit.org <-- coad and text
mircea_popescu: you ever hear that russell butade, "the problem with the world is that the idiots are cocksure while the smart people are full of doubt" ?
spyked: thanks shinohai. :D the plan is to (at the very least) periodically share items of republican interest that I'm working on (e.g. ada lisp). progress has been very slow so far, but it's picking up
spyked: I am working on adding comments (one of the yet-untested ideas is reading only gpg-signed comments), but that's a low-priority item on todo list atm
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 18:34 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked hey, does your tarpit not send pingbacks or is there some error ? what's the response if you say curl -v -A "Mozilla/5.0" -r 0-4096 --connect-timeout 30 --max-time 10 "http://www.dianacoman.com/xmlrpc.php" --header "Content-Type: text/xml" --data "<?xmlversion="1.0"?><methodCall><methodName>pingback.ping</methodName><params><param><value><string>http://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773164 <-- it doesn't send them, but now that you mention it, I might be able to add a (manually-operated) thing that does this. otherwise, thetarpit is just a set of statically-generated pages via handcrafted lisp-based contraption
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 19:11 phf: his 4th sig is non plaintext by the way, i threw it in since the eater ate, but this probably should be an anti-policy
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773176 <-- yikes! sorry phf, I fixed it (and double-checked, as I should have in the first place) --> http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/seals/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.vpatch.spyked.sig
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 17:56 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked "Note that this article is not meant to replace the actual thing. If you want to understand FFA properly, go read FFA. And just so that we understand each other, that DeGrasse Tyson guy is an imbecile" << no links ? what did links ever do to you!
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 17:42 shinohai: This was actually a good piece too: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 16:57 asciilifeform: http://thetarpit.org/archive.html << pretty great stuff. he even reviews what happens to be some of asciilifeform's favourite msdos-era gamez.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 16:21 asciilifeform: hey spyked ! i like your summary of the calc ops.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 19:52 mircea_popescu: that's nice. now go read the logs / do useful shit. the lols part is the worst place for kids to start immitating.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 10:14 diana_coman: for the curious there are in fact 2 prolific-stamped documents describing pl2303 and pl2303x; pl2303x seems to be a sort of upgrade to 64bits but why couldn't it be properly identified as distinct I don't know
shinohai: This kernel has the pl2303 driver
asciilifeform: or alternatively, use dongle that the kernel knows about
asciilifeform: shinohai: gotta build kernel that knows about the dongle
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: it's such a pleasure to see half a dozen people work as a team without needing to blather.
mircea_popescu: my god these people, when they're on point they're on point. 4 new tyres + 5 new pneumatic tubes, off and emplaced, alligned and everything, like 20 minutes including the drive there.
asciilifeform: i suppose those are scarce, rationed, these days. like car bomb.
mircea_popescu: what, am i to surmise we're not as cool as snowden and strauss-kahn ? or rather that the empire sunk to such a depth it is not even capable of finding mendacious prostitutes/chambermaids anymore ?
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder the rape accusations aren't flowing, come to think of it.
asciilifeform: i dun think i have enuff bits in my registers, to count the reddit scumola
asciilifeform: was thinking specifically of the inept meatspace 'detectives'
mircea_popescu: oh, you mean other than the "i have my spurious "bitcoin is scamming" verbiage all over reddit " guy ?
asciilifeform: and i have this notion that this is the n-th, not 1st or even 2nd case of the pathology. but for some reason can't immediately find in the logs the others.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 19:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz there's no evident link from trinque to michael trinque for idiots who don't understand what gpg is, too lazy to click to your blog or read enough log to see stanislav, there's ~nothing "interesting" on mircea popescu besides a bunch of butthurt idiots complaining of ~same nonsense, and so on.
mircea_popescu: in any case -- as long as 1) "own www", the whole approach just failed.
mircea_popescu: google is not particularly useful these days.
asciilifeform: this prompted me to try the 'googleate own name' exercise. hilarious snoar, as always. finds 1) my www 2) buncha folx who are not related to me in any way i know of 3) lame softwarepatent from a defunkt slaveship i used to row on 4) bitcoin-otc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz there's no evident link from trinque to michael trinque for idiots who don't understand what gpg is, too lazy to click to your blog or read enough log to see stanislav, there's ~nothing "interesting" on mircea popescu besides a bunch of butthurt idiots complaining of ~same nonsense, and so on.
phf: his 4th sig is non plaintext by the way, i threw it in since the eater ate, but this probably should be an anti-policy
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: </string></value></param><param><value><string>http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html</string></value> from a terminal ?
mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked hey, does your tarpit not send pingbacks or is there some error ? what's the response if you say curl -v -A "Mozilla/5.0" -r 0-4096 --connect-timeout 30 --max-time 10 "http://www.dianacoman.com/xmlrpc.php" --header "Content-Type: text/xml" --data "<?xmlversion="1.0"?><methodCall><methodName>pingback.ping</methodName><params><param><value><string>http://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked "Note that this article is not meant to replace the actual thing. If you want to understand FFA properly, go read FFA. And just so that we understand each other, that DeGrasse Tyson guy is an imbecile" << no links ? what did links ever do to you!
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 23:36 mircea_popescu: what literate code is all about, nothing keeps you from putting a philosophy.preamble file in there.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, there's an evident join here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772670 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759127 are evidently the same item. have a comment format for it and bam, project philosophy file with press history.
shinohai: This was actually a good piece too: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html
mircea_popescu: joy doth not appeared to be killed any ; but the "hey, things that occur must conform to my mental model" look on old hag's face is fucking typical.
asciilifeform: ( certain american truck rental co , but they all attach massive dongle to keyring, so as harder to lose, or so is the idea )
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "the only truly random element in anyone's life is the order in which they experience things", http://78.media.tumblr.com/f09fc86dd79e041224633ac76ff69c76/tumblr_odtsq9ndCF1u5m4kqo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: http://thetarpit.org/archive.html << pretty great stuff. he even reviews what happens to be some of asciilifeform's favourite msdos-era gamez.
trinque: asciilifeform: awaiting that part of the quote, will let all know
trinque: anyhow, just trying to help haggle. who doesn't like to squeeze the vendors
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 15:50 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773051 << where did i say 'bw is free' or that i compare with spam vps ? trinque posted a heathendom figure of 700 ( trinque can answer when he wakes up , for what bw, i presume 100/100 ) for comparison.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773054 << let you know as soon as they come back with that part.
asciilifeform: hey spyked ! i like your summary of the calc ops.
asciilifeform: he's been following ffa, doing the homeworkz
a111: 2017-11-22 <spyked> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yVbXl/?raw=true <-- most of it is config.sub and config.guess. two lines at the end may fix shinohai's troubles. anyway, I'ma post the whole thing (w3m+gc+js+whatever else) once I manage to do a static build.
asciilifeform: in other noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18804 << >> http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/06a-ffa-ch4-puzzle.html
BingoBoingo: Will do, and I will check to see if these numbers are 22% VAT inclusive or if I missed that again.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo send me the dc wire details btw.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dun worry about it ; sign the contract, explain about the cash, all is well. what gear did you have physically present i forget ?
BingoBoingo: I have seen the hall, the rack, the UPS, etc. Will meet with them and make sure nothing has been overlooked.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, a) go sign contract ; b) did you actually get to see our rack yet ? if not now's the time to insist ; c) explain to them that money's coming in coming week one way or another, iirc they understand why ?
BingoBoingo: I will let the datacenter know we are moving forward with the whole rack 20/200 asymmetric.
mircea_popescu: aite, anyone wanna do the above 3.5k wire and pocket the bitcoin implied by current lulzexchange ? before i give it to rando latino via bb's meatwot.
asciilifeform: as i understood, merely the pipe into rack. rack itself costs also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his 700 is smaller, actually, than the last time i priced 100/100/1U in usa, was 1000+
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is the same provider. In the numbers they are sending me 700 is 1/2 rack and no connectivity.
asciilifeform: why do the orcs charge >3x moar ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773051 << where did i say 'bw is free' or that i compare with spam vps ? trinque posted a heathendom figure of 700 ( trinque can answer when he wakes up , for what bw, i presume 100/100 ) for comparison.
BingoBoingo: That's the draft plan
mircea_popescu: eh, it's unlikely they do it any other way. alright then, so the draft plan here is, get the rack, 900 + 900, and the 20/200 option to start with, for a total of $3223 payable i ncash which you can actually raise by going in the local market ?
BingoBoingo: "yes server can send 10 times more than recive." << Going to have to make sure they include this language in the contract.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "slut at the beach" fun and games, https://68.media.tumblr.com/27bd311844b8bbcc384df97d3a64b086/tumblr_omswy5mJIU1uiwcaro1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: yeah, just make sure which way the 200 goes.
mircea_popescu: so either i'm misunderstanding some4thing or there's a typo in this post : 20/200 mbps (downlink/uplink) ie the server can RECEIVE 10 times as much as it can SEND ? this is backwards from practice.
BingoBoingo: The bank situation looks like it will continue to suck until a local id is in hand
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well ok, and what came of the bank sweep ?
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Heh, curious you mention that about tires, never thought of it until now mircea_popescu, but bicycle wheels are the only place you can still get an inner tube afaik. << bicycles, motorcycles, plenty more places.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: how many datacentres in uruguay ? what % have you spoken to ? << Others have international (i.e. US) presence
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo what's the trade situation there, can you get a pile of cash for btc locally ? << Looks like it. At the very worst a boat ride to sufficient liquidity.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 04:55 asciilifeform: i can picture the backroom convo, 'hey how many zeros can we glue to the gringo's price'
asciilifeform: it is possible that BingoBoingo is being gouged, similar to what the accountants tried to do ?
asciilifeform: could emplace literally 10 boxes in heathendom for that bandwidth price alone. and with 100/100 (or greater) on each.
asciilifeform: come to think of it, maybe the sole connection to that cage ~is~ a sat ?!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's the trade situation there, can you get a pile of cash for btc locally ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 18:48 deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs/ << Bingo Blog - Datacenter Costs
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772348 << well, i'd say ok let's take it, except for the issue where we can't actually pay them.
mircea_popescu: hey, they paid me i dun recall how many mns exactly to fuck their mit boobs, what's another fraction.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 14:57 asciilifeform: 'The United States federal government has paid approximately half a million dollars to a private corporation to help various agencies conduct surveillance on the Bitcoin blockchain' << pretty lulzy, that's, e.g., 3 janitors, 2 clerks, 1 intern, for 1yr
asciilifeform: not in the list : ro
asciilifeform: most preciously, in intro, 'moldavian is a language quite like other foreign languages you may have learned, such as french, spanish, italian...'
asciilifeform: surreal. gotta wonder from where the item even came.
mircea_popescu: thje logical step was to just get rid of it altogether.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 15:40 phf: the whole font changes meaning take two is coming from the japanese. they were actively promoting this idea back during early unicode standardization days, where there was a strong drive to include every idiosyncratic version of kanji in the standard, because "that's how my family writes it in our last name".
mircea_popescu: for a long time the country's name was written in the japanese style, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-03#1513931
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform damn, tyou got it backwards. ~î~ is to turn into the previously never used â inside words. (previously, only usage of â was for România. but rather than JUST TAKE THE DAMNED THING OUT ALTOGETHER they ... contrived to "make use")
mircea_popescu: they... did.
asciilifeform: that the 'â turns into î when beginning or end of word' was only Officially Proclaimed in... 1990
asciilifeform: btw is it tru re the î
asciilifeform: yea holyfuq i had nfi that the 8legged 'horses' on romars also tgdyk'd !11!
asciilifeform: 'chukcha wrote a book. we open the book: pg 1: 'man got on a horse.' pg . N : 'man got off horse' pg . 2 .. N-1 : 'tgdyk, tgdyk, tdgyk...' '
mircea_popescu: onward hops the plastic horse, and there's a circle of dirt under its feet on the wooden square...