asciilifeform recently met phf in the meat for 1st time
mircea_popescu: getting to meet other lord for 1st time always worth something.
mircea_popescu: have a cup of terribad coffee together.
mircea_popescu: oh there is that. fedex may be better move huh.
asciilifeform: pretty sad links from dc actually. ~all the good flights on this side of continent are from nyc
asciilifeform: ( and then back, unless he wants to take a plane from dc )
asciilifeform: ( there's no vat-collector b/w asciilifeform and danielpbarron )
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what are you doing these days ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's include several variants for completeness : 1) fedex , and chancing the VAT 2) somebody other than asciilifeform , who can go sooner, goes, delivers a box 3) BingoBoingo obtains box locally
mircea_popescu: this trip she got to ride around in one ; and found out that the ambassador's official representation car is exactly her mark and mode ; except made in mexico not imported from bayerische krankenwerk directly.
mircea_popescu: when we originally met, many moons ago, hanbot was very impressed with my casual "diplomatic car ? of course i've ridden around in one". in her girly days this had seemed like the crux of cool, you know, "wanna gimme a ticket ? send it to bucharest."
phf: special material that mp runs on that has a byproduct of robbing others of agency, see also superman
mircea_popescu: hard to be very impressed with the edifice.
asciilifeform: well depending what is the tax, could be same as steal.
asciilifeform: i still see it as open question, whether they'll wink through a crate with N servers as 'personal effects', or steal the whole lot
asciilifeform: can squeeze in a BingoBoingoistan expedition shortly thereafter
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 20:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when's your visit there scheduled ?
xahlee: i email u then, later.
asciilifeform: xahlee: if you have an old key, try and dig it out. otherwise, make new one, i'll rate you.
asciilifeform: xahlee: intro reading -- http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/
xahlee: yes. thx. yeah i think that's the site i saw few weeks ago
xahlee: i thought asciilifeform the handle is familiar but forgot where
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 16:41 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other oddities, http://www.xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/pd.html
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779437 << why woulkd you cut that ? consider you like something in the vein of http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/ ; am i to not do this anymore now ?
mircea_popescu: even leaving aside the "argentine peso, 8.35 to the dollar according to "independent" govt banks, 27 to the dollar when mp sells it", colombia : 2750ish official, 3100 real.
mircea_popescu: their currencies are about as stable wrt to the dollar as the dollar is stable wrt bitcoin. it is not physically possible to have anything like a meaningful price in spanish.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779430 << the fundamental point you elide here is that FG is one step away from selling in the same fashion, for the exact same reason.
mircea_popescu: "la democracia es el unico regimen que protege y promoueve la libertad" and so on, the wall hadn't even fallen yet exposing the fundamental inadequacy of all socialisms in the process, whether roosevelt style or not.
mircea_popescu: materials aren't even the whole point, they do the same thing with ideas. much like there hasn't existed a mind in kentucky that didn't live out of re-purposing stuff spewed forth from tv since at least 1960, similarily there hasn't existed a mind in uruguay whose production didn't entirely consist of revomit a la http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:39 asciilifeform: it is also possible that this is one of those orcistans where there is not such a thing as a scrapyard, errything gets picked up by scavengers and reused same day
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pardon my thickness, where do you want qntra ns pointed again ? ideally in the format ns1= ns2=
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when's your visit there scheduled ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:37 BingoBoingo: Still, they get an email along the lines of "I am scaling up my business here in Uruguay and need a bunch of 1U server boxes. What can you get as whole computers or empty cases?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:05 asciilifeform: ave1: and plz post the output of gnat -v .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779409 << this should prolly be standard preface of ada behaviour discussions ; ffa or non-ffa related. asciilifeform maybe you should add it as a comment you know ? at the top of the pile, "if anything's strange say @me in #trilema, please preface the saying with and-here's-my-grep-v"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779400 << adds them as functions anyway, "for debugging" or somesuch. can't say it's necessarily a bad idea.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 17:19 mp_en_viaje: they're not DOING anything ; just trying to LOOK A CERTAIN WAY, with a minimum of expenditure.
asciilifeform: 'hey whaddayamean the-header-but-with-added-colour-and-styling ain't docs'
asciilifeform: these are pestilentially common in scriptinglanguages lands
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider also, the marvel from the other end of the idiocy stick, the 'autogenned docs'
mircea_popescu: "read the manual!!!"
mircea_popescu: there you will sit, in the not so distant future, trying to figure out what the fuck $item, $tool, $whatever does, with two options before you : a) read mov push pop etc ; b) read "It`d be advisable to will mainly because that maybe what it's actually."
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 17:17 a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 16:49 phf: etc. but the most pantsuit aspect of this situation? the infamous well written freebsd documentation is not up to date to any of these new improvements.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hope it's clear where i'm headed with this : brace yourselves for the future of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778943
jhvh1: asciilifeform: National Anthem Of Kazakhstan (With Lyrics) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DPq8y_Wkrs3c>; Fake Kazakhstan National Anthem from 'Borat' Used During Actual ...: <http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/563936-fake-kazakhstan-national-anthem-from-borat-used-during-actual-award-ceremony>; ' Kazakhstan's prostitutes cleanest in the region': Shocking blunder ...: (1 more message)
a111: Logged on 2013-11-02 00:07 asciilifeform: when i read these pitches, i can't help but recall: "...Filtration System A Marvel to Behold! It Removes Eighty Percent of Human Solid Waste!"
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mircea_popescu: i expect they hit their genuine lusers with it about 99x more frequently, but that's just a hunch.
mircea_popescu: part of the extensive package of verbal spin and idle posturing post mp-raped-us 2015 festival, they introduced a "your cat may have walked on your keyboard and you can not log into your account for one week now, you know, for security" item.
mircea_popescu: oh the bot. it got iced once for one week in the intervening... i dun even recall, quarter or two
asciilifeform: 'was unmolested for the interval' suggests that at one time or another it had been molested
mircea_popescu: in other "i'm back here let's check things", teh fetlife bot has been going unmolested for the interval. it must suck to work for these website-business-technologies.
mircea_popescu looked out of curiosity. in the intervening ~week, trikema spam thingee canned 836 comments, has doubts about 11 and disconnected outright before "put in comment" phase about 1/4 mn attempts.
mircea_popescu: done for now. item worked quite well for the purpose, huh.
mircea_popescu: hey there.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 01:15 asciilifeform: in other experimental noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766135 >> -gnatp ( max danger moad ) is ~2x measured speedup.
asciilifeform: in other experiments, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767440 appears to hold true across all ffa chapters.
BingoBoingo: Third picture with the sad lawn is where they are prepping to build a generic WTC tower 5
BingoBoingo: But they are expanding the border wall separating the Free Zone from Uruguay in order to build a second tower there.
BingoBoingo: I will have to dig that up, but it is not trivial and requires having a foreign corporation in the loop somewhere. Perhaps someone with a corp that is offshore to Uruguay can inquire? Depends on the revenue reported and a whole bunch of other miscellanea.
BingoBoingo: Second photo looking is looking in the opposite direction from the same spot. That tower is the WTC FreeZone where you gotta pay a user fee to get in. May the ISP grow big enough to escape VAT thusly.
BingoBoingo: ^Ah, the link
BingoBoingo: And for a closer view from my early eyes here, the tower we are concerned with is the fellow to the left in this first picture. The steel and glass fellows in the center are towers 1-3 in no particular order and the brick guy to the right is the southwest corner of Montevideo Shopping.
BingoBoingo: I suspect it could be the air quality here. Very little air polution, especially of the particulate variety.
BingoBoingo: Burn's not quite the right word for my experience with it. More like a slow cooking. But some of the Brasileros even get sunburn. Especially as they head further out east to Rocha. One brasilero came back this week from there with profound sunburn.
asciilifeform: in buenos aires, oddlyenuff, could walk all day in the sun, 0 creams, no hat, 0 burn.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 23:47 asciilifeform recalls c3 and ~week spent in the sun, and 0 burn
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The beard was longer before the trendy Latino haircut. Then I had to take it down to match.
mod6: looks like nice weather BB
BingoBoingo: Not of the cage yet (hopefully acquire a box to take there Monday), just of my berth and my person.
BingoBoingo: ^ Two photos, the opening up begins!
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/02/the-hunt-for-handware/ << Bingo Blog - The Hunt For Handware
phf: content-type is a meaningless header, since that's up to client to decide anyway (and it's frequently misconfigured), all the other headers are straight up metadata fluff.
trinque: the various attempts at "cuntoo" have sputtered for precisely that reason, buckstoppoints are arbitrary in hell
phf: we can reduce everything to just get requests (cut the headers, too, except for Content-Length), where ranges are done by "/downloads?file=...&start=...&end"
phf: these are silly criteria for protocol ~design~, because the absolute "if we don't have it we'll die" wartime mentality lets you make infinite circles in a turing complete situations. ascii wants the buck to stop at range, i want to stop it at head, it's an arbitrary decision
asciilifeform: and it also has to be 'then WE would lose', because if it's 'heathen derps will lose', than guess how many fucks i give.
asciilifeform: the right hand of this syllogism has in turn two clauses, 'NO sane way' and 'xyzpqr are Important'
asciilifeform: and recall, we (hypothetically) are making a ~server~, not a client. so i'm looking for argument like 'if we lose HEAD, there is then NO sane way to do xyzpqr , where xyzpqr are Important and Useful Things'
phf: asciilifeform: one data point is that in e.g. nginx max_ranges is a parameter, which can be explicitly set to 0 to disable ranges, and if you search for it you get "how do i disable ranges" q's presumably by people configuring web servers. you don't have an equivalent for HEAD. likewise HEAD is part of the original spec, where's ranges is a later addition. it stands to reason that the number of times range fails would be non 0 even with "modern" setups
trinque: and they did this badly, verbs being nonsensical "programming in plain english"
trinque: sure, but this is the most general piece of information you get out of HEAD, the status code response
asciilifeform: ( which is great, but imho other thread.. )
asciilifeform: trinque: yer thinking of moar along the lines of dht, as i understand, rather than www-style server
asciilifeform: and say you see that the 512b hash ~did~ change. then you ask for 'hash of left half , hash of right half' of tree. see which changed. etc. ~= binarysearch.
mod6: asciilifeform: 'sane manifest' =~ <+asciilifeform> then it oughta be in sections, and the sections in small manifest. merkle-style. ?
asciilifeform: trinque: sane manifest would be when you can, e.g., fetch 512bits of merkleroot hash and know that nothing in the whole box changed since last time
trinque: lets say for a moment we're designing the http-dht-tron. I have a hash, do not have the item.
asciilifeform: ( and yes i get it, for existing www, it's the only working knob, aside from get-with-0 )
phf: asciilifeform: because i don't remember specific names. the experience is not uncommon, because "interrupted download, let me try restarting from the middle" fails more frequently than not
phf: oh get the fuck out of here
asciilifeform: who has a server like this ? why do you talk to them ?
phf: and some have them explicitly disabled
asciilifeform: it would seem that it can do both of these
phf: so i've used HEAD before, but not in a batch process. i use it frequently for two purposes, one is to verify that the request goes through and server is prepared to send me data. the other is to request file metadata before i start pulling it, i have a curl alias for that.
asciilifeform: why should there be a knob for pinoys ?
asciilifeform: trinque: it cannot be helped ( while retaining the basic compat ) that they made '0 means anal'
trinque: my statement was that yes ^ and also for the logs "you wouldn't design something where $giveMeNoneOfIt implicitly means a metadata fetch"
asciilifeform: trinque: i don't dispute that http is trisomy victim. q is, can the brute be properly lobotomized and harnessed and do useful work with minimal overseering expense .
asciilifeform: then why not 0 ?
trinque: the range idea is the sort of reductive compromise that's both a fine thing in reducing complexity and completely incorrect if designing from scratch
asciilifeform: every knob in every spec that adds complexity, should have to defend itself, rather than be accepted 'because every walker is preshus'
phf: well, that's like saying that the mass of reditards don't follow specs so nor should we
asciilifeform: re HEAD, i began with the observation that 10+ yrs of reading UNPROCESSED www logs of my site, shows that HEAD is issued by no human browser ever, and in fact comes solely from obvious (in other ways) malware wormprobes
asciilifeform: trying to determine ~which~ heathenisms actually need
phf: are you selectively picking your heathenisms?
asciilifeform: phf: incidentally, why can't you achieve same effect as HEAD by using the 'chunked' feature of GET ?
BingoBoingo: So there is a vendor to vendor element of buyer beware.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: that loox moar like it. can these be had ? << It is a sorts local Amazon/Craigslist combination. Stuff there appears attainable.
asciilifeform: imho having HEAD is like calling a radio station and asking them to turn their volume down
phf: in general though, as is obvious from name, head return same headers that get would return, but without the content
asciilifeform: the first two, get answered if i GET-and-immediately-abort . nao let's have an example of the last ?
phf: "what if anything changed" is not the only question that head answers
trinque: yeah, arguable there's a saner way to get metadata, harder to argue getting metadata by itself isn't useful
asciilifeform: rather than per-file
phf: fwiw http protocol is built around verbs on resources, cutting head is going to remove the specific mechanism you're dispatching to, but not the dispatch mechanism itself (that you still need for e.g. POST)
asciilifeform: phf: imho 'what, if anything changed' is a q that oughta be answered by a mechanism that can do it, when (as often is) wanted for the ~entire site~ compactly
phf: i mean, i can see the argument for "no head", but it's one of those cases where "if we don't have head, we'll have to invent it", with e.g. manifests, or cgi scripts that you can use to query for changes, etc. but why not let resource answer things about itself as part of protocol rather than everyone for themselves?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
asciilifeform: or are these 'pre importation price'
phf: that would be congruent with the russian practice
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that loox moar like it. can these be had ?
asciilifeform: phf: i strongly suspect that nobody but gringo rubes ever order from these Official catalogues, or pay ANY vat, EVER
phf: i suspect local orcs have alternative paths for procurement, was sop in russia in the 90s. you could go to "official dealer" type place and pay 10x, or you would haggle for price at Gorbushka, bazar style
asciilifeform: or the used-condom quality sandisk ?
BingoBoingo: And to see if they can get Opteron shit
TomServo: I would rather not.
TomServo: There appears to be "- 36 MONTHS PROSUPPORT AND NBO ON-SITE SERVICE" included in the price, which - shouldn't be required, right?
asciilifeform: for comparison, 24core opteron with 256G ram , with 4 ssd disks ( 1TB total , 750 after raid ) , and with the raid card, costs me still < 1700.
BingoBoingo: Well, other racks seem to have a lot of towers. My suspicion on the rack mount equipment is the ever popular trip to Miami route.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or is this what it all ends up costing after the extortionate tax..? << The +IVA means the price is before the tax. Gets hit with a duty when it hits the border, shipping here doesn't seem to have a trivial cost, and something like the label printer there just might not be anyone else selling. But $495 for a $300 in the US ubiquity Edgerouter Pro isn't too bad http://www.palser.com/productos/productos_masinfo.php?id=17661
asciilifeform: these prices make asciilifeform+suitcase+airplane for ~every box indididually~ look cost-effective.
asciilifeform: supposing the shipments get through -- yes
trinque: these are moon prices
asciilifeform: i'd even be satisfied with something exactly like BingoBoingo's link httpd but minus the nulltermed pointeristic string warcrime. (i.e. direct adaization)
asciilifeform: trinque: pretty much anything on the existing iron is wartime compromise.
asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
asciilifeform: or is this what it all ends up costing after the extortionate tax..?
trinque: can put "FART" in the method header now, if you like
trinque: in a library http server, one wouldn't implement "HEAD" anyway, would just pass the headers as a structure to w/e handling function, which shits what it likes
asciilifeform: trinque: that's exactly the kind of thing i wouldn't do. my hypothetical http serv would be strictly for fully adatronic app. like hunchentoot in cl world.
asciilifeform: 1 , the subhuman simian kind, where duct tape is added. other -- when screaming living flesh is removed, as necessary.
trinque: to host mp-wp for instance, gonna have to either implement fcgi, cgi, or http proxy back to other http server
asciilifeform: there's 2 kinds of 'fix'
trinque spent enough in the mines *not* to want to fix http
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun have a replacement, can relax for nao. but would like to know which of the knobs actually do something useful.
asciilifeform: q is, how much can be removed from http and still result in e.g. proper display on typical heathen browser, wget-able tarballs, etc
trinque: I'm just telling you tools will want things you're muntzing, so why bother trying to fix
asciilifeform: i'd like to shoot it behind the shed already.
trinque: "do I already have the item at $path" and "how big is the item at $path" are interesting questions without the server beginning to transmit the item itself.
asciilifeform: having to ask the 'did it change' question per-file, is terrifyingly bad design
trinque: lets say you use your "magic file" for mirroring, manifest, then what when the manifest is very large?
asciilifeform: what other http knobs are there that, despite that neither i nor deedbot nor anything any of us have made , ever use, but somehow essential ??
trinque: --no-if-modified-since uses HEAD, probably others
asciilifeform: i dun see why this requires a 'send ONLY the header' special knob to exist.
asciilifeform: well naturally you wouldn't ctrl-c with hands, but break yer connection after you got what you want, i.e. the header
trinque: and furthermore the idea that providing just the headers, which already exists as a codepath, and then bailing, adds mb, is idiotic
trinque: should the fs require you read() whole file to know file metadata?
trinque: I will not use an item that can't give me metadata for a given path without loading the potentially gigantic item itself
asciilifeform: ditto OPTIONS and other liquishit.
asciilifeform: if you want to know that file has changed, you update a manifest, and other side fetches that.
trinque: you're going to what, download the whole hundreds of gb every time you sync?
trinque: I have the gentoo distfiles on http
asciilifeform: prolly also other things.
asciilifeform: the use of linked lists (wai??)
BingoBoingo: trinque: Other suppliers list prices, but everyone gets a solicitation.
trinque: well, it's why I always beat vendors with either other vendor quotes or other quotes from same vendor
trinque: eh the no-prices thing is an orc haggling thing
asciilifeform: it is also possible that this is one of those orcistans where there is not such a thing as a scrapyard, errything gets picked up by scavengers and reused same day
BingoBoingo: Still haven't found it. Most of the local scrapping industry tends to center around hawking junk finds at la Feria Tristan Narvaja on Sundays.
asciilifeform: i suspect that it has better boxes than the one linked above
BingoBoingo: Still, they get an email along the lines of "I am scaling up my business here in Uruguay and need a bunch of 1U server boxes. What can you get as whole computers or empty cases?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gotta inquire because the shops dun know how to web right
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where is the price on that page ?
BingoBoingo: A lot of the locally availabe refurb stuff is fat guys like http://www.okcomputers-uy.com/productos/productos_masinfo.php?id=4382&secc=productos&path=0.42.108
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo: when do you anticipate having a final number for 1U of space, and when do you plan on beginning to rack customer machines? << I am putting out solicitations for hardware again to the local shops today. Will squeeze in a pricing post today for the Republic's consideration.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: try as i might, i can't picture how a photo would help to exploit yer box ( aside from the 'tells enemy which rack to dynamite' aspect, but mp_en_viaje addressed that one earlier ) << Ah, datacenter fellow expressed some bemused curiosity about the unbranded Qntra machine. Apparently everything else is plastered in brand names because latino rather than assembled into generic steel chicom chassis
asciilifeform: ave1: and plz post the output of gnat -v .
asciilifeform: ave1: you see this for all of the invocations ? and 0 speed diff when removing ( not -gnatN, but remove, with sed ) ~all~ of the inline directives ?
asciilifeform: you can trivially verify the latter by commenting out the Inline param and observing 5-20x speed differential
asciilifeform: this is a known bug in 2016, and is a red herring, they still get inlined
asciilifeform: ave1: tell me how you determined that they were not inlined
asciilifeform: consider answering the question, ave1 ?
asciilifeform: why the fuck did you USE this flag tho
ave1: as for the switch, in old docu it is here: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.2/gnat_ugn_unw/Switches-for-gcc.html#ndex-g_t_0040option_007b_002dgnatm_007d-_0028_0040command_007bgcc_007d_0029-125
asciilifeform: i'm not a telepath, but somehow nobody thinks to preface their observations with 'i was using gnat xxxxx, which i got from...'
ave1: o wait, that is only in combination with "-gnatN", so ignore the Inline_Always comment
ave1: also, The "Inline_Always" pragma's seem to in the wrong part of the code (but does not help moving"
ave1: asciilifeform, I'm reading trough chapter 2 and I've tried to get inlining to work, but so far have failed, nothing gets inlined outside of the defining module!
asciilifeform: in other entomological curios, https://golang.org/src/math/big/nat.go << a popular heathen bignumtron. replete with branches-on-secret, pointerolade, various liquishit
mp_en_viaje: aaand in other "keeping the toilet seat up" domestic arguments, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e538aadd26355d0ade5c9cb9088e80d0/tumblr_oj309lRovF1uzx8ido1_400.gif
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 01:29 asciilifeform: aha. recall, there was at least 1 occasion of trilema server growing legs and walking away
trinque: I would rather see a sampling of potential machines than to guess at what might be available.
deedbot: trinque updated rating of BingoBoingo from 1 to 3 << went on a long march and resurrected the Herald
asciilifeform: and that's the compleet story under amd64 , re stdio
asciilifeform: ^ for reasons unknown to me, ada's standard character i/o routines mutilate newlines. so ffacalc imports the standard unixland ones.
asciilifeform: the 'main is in ada; some imports from c' variant is also illustrated in ffa, in http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc/tree/ffa/ffacalc/cmdline.ads
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 01:11 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01#1779163 << the theory is that very smooth, object files can be linked together directly. the testing of this theory is the most valuable part of trying it early.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779288 << ftr there are two methods for this; depending on which lang the 'main' procedure was written in. see also https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn/Interfacing-to-C.html , has example of each.
mod6: apologies for the disruption. carry on!
mod6: my first inclination is to cut down as many attack vectors as possible. real or imagined. the imaginary ones can be rooted out through a bit of thinking / conversation with intelligent folks.
mod6: this may be an asinine thread i started here, but i'd rather be thinking this way - defensive, even if asinine, and then think/talk it out.
asciilifeform: if it e.g. sends random page of ram as a coded dns packet every full moon, it will do this regardless of whether anyone photographed it, lol
mod6: yeah, I don't think ours will even have that anyway. BUT, the point stand that, I didn't build it; who knows what nasty pitfalls are in there.
asciilifeform: mod6: these are only a problem when plugged in
mod6: so, i've heard like nasty things about some of these boxes with like the lights out management thing, and whatever.
asciilifeform: aha. recall, there was at least 1 occasion of trilema server growing legs and walking away
mod6: aha. so thats why i came to "silly" conclusion. they'll just send 'em anyway so w/e.
asciilifeform: naively could say something like 'it's a dell 1950, and obummer will know to send the dell 1950 magicpacket' but consider, he will send all possible magicks anyway, because wainot
mod6: Thinking clever person & log reader could discern which box belongs to whom by process of elimiation. Then depending on make/models, could try to dig up exploits.
asciilifeform: mod6: try as i might, i can't picture how a photo would help to exploit yer box ( aside from the 'tells enemy which rack to dynamite' aspect, but mp_en_viaje addressed that one earlier )
mod6: It's non-critical infrastructure. And would probably help BBISP, more than it would hurt the foundation, even if exploited.
mod6: <+mp_en_viaje> if your box is remotely exploitable by photograph... << Well, thinking it all the way through, I guess it's a bit over the top. My first, kneejerk reaction is "fuck that. no pics." But ya, that may be silly.
BingoBoingo: tyvm for the well wishes, congratulations, and continuing instructions.
mp_en_viaje: mod6, buncha girls did not get appreciably damaged from having numbers on their tits...
mp_en_viaje: this is the priority nao, get the rack filled proper with actualy used and useful boxen, not bogged down with scar tissue
mod6: I may yet reconsider on the pictures thing.