asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: only expensive for folx who don't keep the necessary capital goods around on hand
asciilifeform: it ain't old, if the date field is to be believed, made today
b41e209ccc264812: the books guy is back
mircea_popescu: "just as cool as ftp if the year's 1995"
asciilifeform: (and whether it needs doing)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a hey, ANOTHER use for head detected : when you leave a comment on bogota article, your browser heads 130 images instead of downloading 130 images
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 18:32 asciilifeform: ( the seekrit, summarized: there is no effect from walking over the zeroes created at the bottom end of XS when it slides to the left. so, can leave'em alone. )
asciilifeform: aaanyway this was in re BingoBoingo's 'need router' item. if that fell off the current list, then no particular reason to send it.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 16:38 asciilifeform: i actually have a pcengines apu1 ( 2G version ) with the sage header soldered on, and sageprobe, that i am adding to the cargo manifest
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: obviously doesn't, lol, unless i put it in the crate. as was the proposal.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 17:08 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780956 << can't do long layover over web, i'm planning on calling them tomorrow, and then if that fails i'll try my luck with their rep at the dules airport
asciilifeform: (i.e. an item that can be moved over the net, gpg-signed)
davout: mircea_popescu: yes, that's the idea :3
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apu1 item , as proposed, dun require further soldering. but it does want a fw payload.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 16:45 asciilifeform: and for that matter ALL of the machines will need setting ip/gateway/etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780985 << well yes, but that's quite different from "and then desolder this bit here and ..."
davout: started training for my airline transport pilot license in december, and i'm stuck in ground school phase until may~june, until then i barely even make time to go take a shit
BingoBoingo: ty davout Are you coming to the miniconf
BingoBoingo: And for people who want static ip addresses for their boxes taking the trip send me a gpgram with the number of boxes and number of addresses. I can give you a handful to set up before the box goes on the plane.
BingoBoingo: ^ for phf ben_vulpes and others
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/04/the-first-bbisp-mini-conference-and-montevideo-tourism-guide/ << Bingo Blog - The First BBISP Mini Conference And Montevideo Tourism Guide
BingoBoingo: And in research mircea_popescu did get to lol at the wide spread on the Argentine peso in Uruguay http://trilema.com/2014/strange-in-the-street/ http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/IMG_20171224_164441709-768x576.jpg
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 16:01 mircea_popescu: and in other fucking sads, spam thing had http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/#comment-124440 marked as spam ;/
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780961 <-- do you know the dood? I'll forward him the bitcent if he can prove he gave the answer. given that it was on trilema, the only way he could do that would be to... post from same IP/email address? hm. wait, I'll leave a comment.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780921 <-- yay, thanks! I get the chance to play with deedbot wallet nao.
QntBtt: http://qntra.net/2018/02/malware-exploiting-intel-cpu-hardware-vunerabilities-being-found-in-the-wild/
asciilifeform: ( the seekrit, summarized: there is no effect from walking over the zeroes created at the bottom end of XS when it slides to the left. so, can leave'em alone. )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: phf: You are welcome. And if you get bored of the big city and want to go to small town uruguay for a taste of "The Great Again" https://www.trumppuntadeleste.com/
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 15:15 asciilifeform: whole thing quite resembles the 'silver coin glued to the asphalt' everyone encounters in childhood
phf: BingoBoingo; thanks for the info i'll look into what best suits my needs
phf: asciilifeform: they have a stupid gb style scheme of *.foo.uy
BingoBoingo: Alternately there is Hotel Goes near the Tres Cruces Bus Terminal https://www.hotelgoes.com.uy/ https://www.hotelgoes.com.uy/portfolio-view/suite-la-nave/
BingoBoingo: http://hotelpalacio.com.uy/ << The service sucks, they do they annoying thing where they keep the old timey skeleton keys at the desk and make you check your guests in, but the $45 a night superior room impresses girls from the interior of the country. Not much reason to stay there longer than the bang though.
BingoBoingo: But its location also means lots wind coming off the water
BingoBoingo: lol, kind of a feature. From the roof you could probably piss on the sand if winds are favorable
asciilifeform misread as 'with the rooftop pissing range', thought 'hm, feature'
BingoBoingo: And if you really want to go balls out there is the Hyatt centric across the the deletras de Montevideo with the Playa de Pocitos within rooftop pissing range
BingoBoingo: phf: The hilton garden inn is very close and muy caro. If you don't mind a walk http://www.puntatrouville.com.uy/ is in Punta Carreretas, ~2 km from the datacenter
asciilifeform: oh hah maybe they even have a 'NH' like in timis
BingoBoingo: And when you are picking a room, the 10 is where they store all the staff and volunteers so someone is trying to sleep in there around the clock.
BingoBoingo: Another warning, hardworking Brasilero Tony from the staff went back to Brasil this past Tuesday. They replaced him with a white South African Tony...
phf: rambler puts locations of mcdonalds and burger king on their maps, in case, you know, one gets homesick
BingoBoingo: Just the chinches have not entirely been eliminated. Or dirty foreigners keep bringing new ones in.
BingoBoingo: Or there are a whole bunch of hotels in the Ciudad vieja 7-10 km away that offer rooms in the 40-50 USD range
BingoBoingo: Gotta put in the dates yourself
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah, their stupid website defaults to assuming you wanna stay at least 2 nights
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 13:54 BingoBoingo: phf: What sort of accomodation are you looking for? Care to stay at the historic Rambler Hostel?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 15:59 mircea_popescu: o and hey phf, did you http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779900 ? am i seeing you on the 21st sorta thing ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1780956 << can't do long layover over web, i'm planning on calling them tomorrow, and then if that fails i'll try my luck with their rep at the dules airport
BingoBoingo: At the moment we have 64 ipv4 addresses to use out of which I have burned 4
BingoBoingo: The LACNIC fee schedule is here http://www.lacnic.net/2399/2/lacnic/membership-categories-and-fees
asciilifeform: and for that matter ALL of the machines will need setting ip/gateway/etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this particular item oughta be struck from the list , then, it is not a plug-and-go
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just put everything in a state he doesn't have to fuck with, he's got no torture room down there.
asciilifeform: ( in case anybody forgot, this is the box where you can stuff a few MB of useful payload straight into bios. which in turn is the last blobless amd build, takes payload straight in makefile )
asciilifeform: but ideally this is for ~later~ BingoBoingo use, rather than 'don't bisp until it has working firmware'
BingoBoingo: Will keep reading documentation. But heres the source of the IP allocation wank for the coprophologists http://www.lacnic.net/1039/2/lacnic/ipv4-depletion-phases
asciilifeform: i actually have a pcengines apu1 ( 2G version ) with the sage header soldered on, and sageprobe, that i am adding to the cargo manifest
mircea_popescu: weird shit ; i had nfi i'm that popular with the russki empire.
asciilifeform: apparently depends , nao, on who's doing the asking
mircea_popescu: ifconfig goes from eth0 all the way down to eth0:32 on A SINGLE BOX. that's a /27 range.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i have nfi what's going on there, but let me point out trilema has a whole class c (ie, /24) allocated as it is.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes : i just spent 10 minutes clicking like a madman through the dates of your logs of trilema-trinque trilema-mod6 etc. could it be a feature that if one month contains less than 2k lines of log then it is presented as a month by month rather than as a day by day thing ?
mircea_popescu: and in other fucking sads, spam thing had http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/#comment-124440 marked as spam ;/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The switch's routing capabilities don't seem like they will be able to handle the transition period from our current borrowed /26 to the regionally allocated /24
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 21:26 mircea_popescu: phf you can also book with a day+ layover in panama on your way back. for one thing you get to see the place and despise panama for good reason rather than by hearsay ; for the other flight over here is ~1hr ~every hour.
mircea_popescu: o and hey phf, did you http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779900 ? am i seeing you on the 21st sorta thing ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> everyone else : he leaves on the 13th, deadline to send gear his way say 5 days prior or something like that << I would like to add to the wishlist a small box capable of being a router. 2+ CPU cores, 3+ NICs, and 4-8 GB of RAM. Throw a pre clang Openbsd on there and appliancicize it.
asciilifeform: even from deep in heathendom, resolves
BingoBoingo: These things happen. The interface innovations of outsiders are the greatest handicap we have.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo updated ; hopefully this time correctly. apparently they had a different process to register these than i thought, the edit dns zone tool dun do it.
mircea_popescu: oh i found it. hangon bb. sorry for the delay.
mircea_popescu: there's a manage dns for this domain on the right and a change nameservers on the top, and neither have an option for it.
mircea_popescu: it probably is that i didn't register the ns with namesilo ; but holy shit, "Go to the Domain Manager page within your account Click the applicable domain name (it will be underlined in black) Click the "View/Manage Registered NameServers" link within the "NameServers" box" << there is no fucking box with links in it wtf
mircea_popescu: This is likely caused by the entered NameServers not being created yet."
mircea_popescu: "No name servers found at child. No name servers could be found at the child. This usually means that the child is not configured to answer queries about the zone."
BingoBoingo: I am under the impression that I set up authoritive only name servers using nds. Namesilo's whois search still shows three trilems nameservers listed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CwD4l/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: Glad you enjoyed the pre-breakfast exercise
mircea_popescu: in other news, woke up with wood, took the tool to the little girl's room, picked one of the delicious butts asleep there an' fucked her daylights out. or rather i should say nightlights. in any case -- this is teh true joy in lyf! whenever you manage an erection, go pick one!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hmm qntra heathendns still dun resolve? << Whois is still showing the same information
asciilifeform: hmm qntra heathendns still dun resolve?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the people are a lot closer to the argentinian (pompous, inept, idle) than the tico (eager, voluble, extrovert) ; there's better night life but the 550 mm barometer is unpleasant ; much larger town but virtually no wild life ; arguably better food in restaurants, but i do prefer my slavegirls cooking anyway. and so on. << The size of the bananastani city seems to make a tremendous difference.
BingoBoingo: phf: What sort of accomodation are you looking for? Care to stay at the historic Rambler Hostel?
mod6: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/bogota-123.jpg << this is awesome, look how simpatico y feliz the llama is!
phf: i spent about half hour trying to crimp rj45. i completely lost the skill, nor do i, turns out, have the right tools. you've not lived unless you've tried to crimp each individual contact with pliers
asciilifeform: or at the very least, not far.
mod6: that was last weekend for me. and a new coat of paint through 35% of the house.
trinque can pull the withdraw lever any time this evening, no problem.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> and they have bicycle lanes, which i find intolerable. << not only lanes; it was claimed by at least one local that on sundays all principal roads are closed to cars --bikes only.
mircea_popescu: everyone else : he leaves on the 13th, deadline to send gear his way say 5 days prior or something like that
phf: oh, it just stays there until a withdraw?
mircea_popescu: there's some. in fairness i wasn't there long enough to say ; but the very idea annoys me.
asciilifeform: are there actual bicyclists , or mostly imaginary like in ro
mircea_popescu: and they have bicycle lanes, which i find intolerable.
mircea_popescu: add to that the dismal (and ridiculously overpriced) real estate, and the inept regulations (instead of forbidding poor people / locals from owning cars privately, they came up with the batshit insane nonsense of banning plates by whether they're opdd or even on alternate days. and this isn't an accident, this is structurally how they think.)
mircea_popescu: anyway. perfectly serviceable bananistan, yes. i still prefer cr. there's a certain advantage to being able to drive to the beach in a coupla hours any time.
asciilifeform: if you were to camp out there for month+
mircea_popescu: the people are a lot closer to the argentinian (pompous, inept, idle) than the tico (eager, voluble, extrovert) ; there's better night life but the 550 mm barometer is unpleasant ; much larger town but virtually no wild life ; arguably better food in restaurants, but i do prefer my slavegirls cooking anyway. and so on.
asciilifeform: ( or rather, i dun notice any substantial diff in flavour vs mircea_popescu's cr pics )
asciilifeform: wat did cyrillic ever do to these folx
asciilifeform: the hruscheba in the last pic is a winner. loox almost as if it came with 0 windows originally, and only the brave souls who chopped out their own, nao have one or two
mircea_popescu: (maria groza, often mentioned there, deputy foreign minister at the time, even made it in "women's movement antologies" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thousand little clues, like the quality of the tape, the worn-ness of the letterheads, types of typing mistakes (eg, misspelling were unpermitted, missing space uniting words sometimes tolerated, many such tiny details)
mircea_popescu: including the iliterate signatures.
asciilifeform: dunno if i personally could tell actual-1974-shoemaker's-own-typewriter from artful fake typed on the timis museum one
mircea_popescu: well depends. sure, counts,. but i meant as the physical photocopy as such
asciilifeform: the ro-themed wikilick ( mircea_popescu-powered, even, in the early burst iirc ) also counts, neh
mircea_popescu: so while pretty much every adult romanian saw at least one (often enough in the shape of, hey, do you know this guy you've been frioends for 30 years with, since chiuldhood ? well he was trying to fuck your wife and get you imprisoned), apparently there's a NOFORN clause implicit or something, 0 internets.
asciilifeform enjoys embassies. doesn't actually know anyone who works in'em, however; but where asciilifeform lives they every year have a festival where 'look how great is our goatfuckistan, and how mighty its embassy, have some liquor, ' etc
mircea_popescu: tho there's lots of them floating about in rosphere, as there was a lot of wranglking about political policing and so on.
mircea_popescu: anyway, kinda why i included them. afaik there exists nowhere online such a thing, for the inquiring mind that might wish to know how ro declassified documents look in the first place.
asciilifeform: they dun seem to have a 'nobody cares' mode
mircea_popescu: however, these are a) from commie times so nobody much cares and b) the most benign of nothingness, what press releases were being shuttled. im not even sure they were ciphered originally.
asciilifeform: with what every other word even TODAY censored
asciilifeform: the marvel is that, picture american 'declassified' turds from same period, recall how they look like chessboards
asciilifeform: currently reading the vintage ro docz.
mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779624 : $ cat trilema.txt | grep -c '"HEAD ' > 5936. this is about 9 hours' worth of log. turns out mp-wp uses head to make sure pictures uploaded correctly ; turns out a lot of economical browsers use head on pics on a page prior to loading them, to check if they already have them in the cache.
mircea_popescu: i thought it's the browser you get if you can't afford orgasm.
mircea_popescu: and i tell you, it winds you. there were some inclines/stairs up there i had to take in two portions.
mircea_popescu: yeah. the place where i took those pics was 3200 meters
mod6: wow, the plateau is @ 8660 ft above sea level too. didn't realize that.
mircea_popescu: apparently they also have a jewelry shop right in the museum. and a simulated mine. it was the next item on the list, but there's only so much you can cram into four days of fucking & drinking.
mircea_popescu: afaik for most of history most emeralds came from them.
mircea_popescu: mod6 sadly i didn't have the time to check out the emeralds museum also, apparently this exists.
mircea_popescu: what happened, anyway ? that got the rats so rattled
mircea_popescu: in other lulzy lulz, https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7ujeoz/i_wonder_how_long_it_will_take_for_the_other_sub/
mod6: yeah, the raw emeralds too
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 16:37 asciilifeform: the items that only work from in-chan are close enuff
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780773 << ftr this is how I'm currently designing "!Qarchive-bulk-download" to work. Bot will check with deedbot for a key registered, then verify good wot standing in my L1. No allcomers allowed!
BingoBoingo: In other Pais Pobre: "The idea that makes tPanel unique compared to other web hosting control panels is that the software does not require any root/shell access to function. Instead, it’s more of a manager for people who have ambitions to start a web host on their shared web hosting plan." - http://www.gnutoolbox.com/tpanel/
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/03/pricing-information-fun-with-numbers/ << Bingo Blog - Pricing Information: Fun With Numbers
mircea_popescu: so for the last day i've been working on this bogota megapost. hopefully i fucking finish it today jesus.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780744 << "Mr. Pierce walked around the tree and said prayers for Puertopia, holding a rusted wrench he had picked up in the territory. He kissed an old man's feet. He blessed a crystal in the water, as they all watched. He played the Chaplin speech to everyone and to the tree, Mr. Nygard said."
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 15:09 asciilifeform: hilarious buncha idjits, 'let's all move to 1 usg reservation and feed the waterfall there while awaiting cokemachine'
asciilifeform: the items that only work from in-chan are close enuff
phf: well, we don't really have non-allcomers web systems ourselves. the only example from past is mp's retired token system
asciilifeform: not necessarily operators of the paste www
asciilifeform: or nm, those were authors of the proggy
asciilifeform: i have nfi who they were/are
asciilifeform: hilarious buncha idjits, 'let's all move to 1 usg reservation and feed the waterfall there while awaiting cokemachine'
asciilifeform: nobody ever asks asciilifeform 'what is the 100kg of crate'.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 04:52 ben_vulpes: guy delivering servers today wanted to know what i was doing with em; "well let's see, install some software and then rack 'em in a datacenter, what else does one do with servers?" "no but like are you mining bro?" "haha funny. don't you have something for me to sign?"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780738 << why is it that ben_vulpes gets the nosy deliverymen, and asciilifeform not!111
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780711 << sorta the fundamental braindamage of html ( and all 'plaintextist' protocols, period ) -- that they lack 'and HERE is EXACTLY how many bytes will follow'
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 01:20 mircea_popescu: and considering what happens in response to curl -v -X GET -H "range: bytes=1-8" www.loper-os.org (full page dump) we can add asciilifeform / nfs to the list of "does not support ranges"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, imagine all the idle posturing going on in every tiny social group. kids used to be hackers, after being secret agents, after being you know.
ben_vulpes: guy delivering servers today wanted to know what i was doing with em; "well let's see, install some software and then rack 'em in a datacenter, what else does one do with servers?" "no but like are you mining bro?" "haha funny. don't you have something for me to sign?"
ben_vulpes: https://blog.positive.com/predicting-random-numbers-in-ethereum-smart-contracts-e5358c6b8620 << prnglolz
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the day's log page is fulla non-linking links as a result of http being the discussion
mircea_popescu: aaand thereby log eaten. mazel tov.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 18:02 BingoBoingo: I will have to dig that up, but it is not trivial and requires having a foreign corporation in the loop somewhere. Perhaps someone with a corp that is offshore to Uruguay can inquire? Depends on the revenue reported and a whole bunch of other miscellanea.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:27 phf: content-type is a meaningless header, since that's up to client to decide anyway (and it's frequently misconfigured), all the other headers are straight up metadata fluff.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779676 << this is not so. looking through trilema's : X-Pingback: http://trilema.com/xmlrpc.php is essential for the whole pingback functionality, which i deem a prime class. off top of head cache-control is probably also useful, as it tells the client the very useful bit of whether server deems resopurce is type 1 or type 2 in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780528 sense ; Location: http
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:26 phf: we can reduce everything to just get requests (cut the headers, too, except for Content-Length), where ranges are done by "/downloads?file=...&start=...&end"
mircea_popescu: but you don;t know what to put in the where to begin with. so you get potentially boundless piles of metadata.
mircea_popescu: right, everything is selects in the end,
mircea_popescu: yes, but the thing still starts with describe or w/e it's called
mircea_popescu: (practically, they just didn't feel like making one verb per thing, because it'd have ended all sgml.)
mircea_popescu: well you don;t know what you don't know. exactly as in the slavery threads.
trinque: "oh here's the filesize and content type and also here's what the server had for breakfast"
mircea_popescu: trinque because you don't know what questions may be asked, is the idea.
mircea_popescu: this is a major flaw of the "design" such as it is, that yes you're asking for potentially infinite metadata.
mircea_popescu: and if you say "i'm interested in x but in 0 bits of it" the logical implication is that you're only interested in any meta-x may be available. which yes might be null, but also doesn't have to be.
mircea_popescu: you're asking for 0 bits of X, not for 0 bits altogether.
trinque: you didn't get back zero in the latter case
mircea_popescu: the reason i linked the two items was, that you had a paradoxical result evaluating logical implication of negated absence in there ; and a paradoxical result evaluating predicated nothingness, here. seem to me intuitively they're related to some sort of 0-difficulty you have.
trinque: old thread was on python, and the behavior of some looping constructs or w/e, didn't match set theory
trinque: oh, I blew my stack in the thread you linked mostly because of my own radiation damage
trinque: in this case sums to: republican HTTP may ulcer alf further.
trinque: incidentally I've been working on moving the entire concept out of my head in such threads, in contrast to the old thread in question.
trinque: exactly that, the thing keisters away data in whatever fold of fat some autist found at the moment
trinque doesn't always know how obvious his line of reasoning is until it bounces off another at velocity
mircea_popescu: trinque the most reliably encountered header in responses is Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
mircea_popescu: (good thing we got the cloud collaborate suite from $corp, too... how could we have gotten this far without ???)
trinque: right the muntzing of http got conflated (by me, most likely) with how it ought to have been done in the first place
mircea_popescu: basically whole thing was "Don't implement a special show table status, use the underlying select item from schema directly"
trinque: the charge I made was that range 0 is an implicit metadata fetch. why implicit?
trinque: what is special about that data retrieval, compared to "what's the age of john" ?
mircea_popescu: for the autoincrement metaconstruct.
trinque: if I were to hamhandedly bash this into http, there'd be no headers. you'd get that information from another ULR
mircea_popescu: so sql doesn't have an equivalent of head is the idea ? or doesn't have an equivalent of get 0 size ?
trinque: I can select from a table that is the table of columns, for example
trinque is referring to information_schema and the db-specific metadata schemas
trinque: sql would be a system where I'd consider the metadata properly designed, in that there isn't a difference in the way it's represented, or retrieved
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's not clear that the extant stack of shit is capable of supporting some sort of meaningful practical consideration.
trinque: sure, if http is understood that it always hands back headers, and these are decided to exclude the "I want an item of x length and no further" then get with range 0 offset 0 would hand back only headers
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779651 << the correct statement would be, "you have experiences in good faith and i have imaginations in good faith, that i don't bother to check nor do i ever sit down to reason as to what THAT implies re faith"
mircea_popescu: and considering what happens in response to curl -v -X GET -H "range: bytes=1-8" www.loper-os.org (full page dump) we can add asciilifeform / nfs to the list of "does not support ranges"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779643 << trivial to check, issue a head, see if "accept-ranges" is in there. if not -- no support
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779633 << all servers had head because it's antique ; ranged requests went through an ebb and flow of implemented, then disabled because implemented wrongly and buffer overflows, then etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 06:24 trinque: in other python 2 was already shit... all([]) -> True yet any([]) -> False
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:02 trinque: my statement was that yes ^ and also for the logs "you wouldn't design something where $giveMeNoneOfIt implicitly means a metadata fetch"
mircea_popescu: if i tell you i wish to see the file x except not any of its content this is logically equivalent, quite directly, to "metadata only plox"
asciilifeform: ( where, say, i can have local list of jsoids signed by actual people, that machine will willingly load, and no others )
asciilifeform: ~invariably the first MB or so ( i wish this were joak ) contains only liquishit
mircea_popescu: or at the very least so "page is not usable until our shit is in"
mircea_popescu: if my loading of a web page dies 10kb in, i want that 10kb to have contained the article, not some "template" fugly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and observe that the turdmeisters implemented elaborate hacks ( i.e. realtime DOM modification ) ~just so that ad crapolade loads first~
mircea_popescu: currently there's no equivalent hierarchy of html documents, so they are always sent in order of importance of parts.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 01:02 mp_en_viaje: but let's not let the praise fall by the wayside just because every successful step opens up so more further steps : nice bb! qntra back on huh!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779605 << there is a good argument in favour of overloading meaning into verbs rather than inventing new verbs. an implementation of head as "get with 0 bytes accepted" is actually an improvement over current.
asciilifeform: there is not a magical pill against deletion
mircea_popescu: and the old handles will 404
asciilifeform: the idea is that if you have immutable url-to-payload correspondence, large-scale mirroring ( via , e.g., gossipd wot ) becomes practical.
mircea_popescu: tomorrow, linkrot will thereby mean "you might not have the original data ; OR you might not have the original program".
mircea_popescu: not so. consider : linkrot today means, "you might not have the data original server had". like you lost lispmachine FET say.
asciilifeform: this is what www would have been if made by the sane.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 03:58 mircea_popescu: trinque tbh, i think wikis are a (braindamaged, dysfunctional, uncomprehending) response to the html-is-broken / transclusion issue discussed yest and etc.
mircea_popescu: no longer a hodge-podge of "plugins" and "themes" haphazard and therefore entirely flat conceoptually.
mircea_popescu: consider the machinery that blogs become, in this system
asciilifeform: i think mircea_popescu grasps the idea.
mircea_popescu: rather than unmaintainably clog out my blog and risk being deleted any day now.
mircea_popescu: consider the hack i did recently for hanbot
mircea_popescu: in fact, another ready example : rss.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i confess i've not prior considered the v-http server.
asciilifeform: even from 'the code makes internally consistent sense' pov.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: edges into a 'causes and purposes' discussion, dunnit. even if trilema doesn't possibly use any such thing, conceivably it is still the Right Thing
asciilifeform: so in this hypothetical, mircea_popescu's trilema url (or rather, the raw hash underneath it) will only change when he changes his generator.
mircea_popescu: "process my data with the press X as identified from your manifest, i don';t trust X'"
mircea_popescu: then you could in principle indicate WHICH LEAF you even permit.
asciilifeform: *of the