asciilifeform: it ~is~ possible (or at least cannot, from my perch, be ruled out) that they took in moar coin from chumpers than disgorged to mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: oh, where are ye bluestate.doge, mit.ethereum, orcistan.bch... it was such nice knowing ye...
mircea_popescu: and if nothing else, the abandonment of the pretense to picking winners in the space, "this is the official usg altcoin" bullshit seems to me sufficient proof they're ~out of steam.
mircea_popescu: being the empire in this game very much has a cost, by heller und pfenning. erry day they gotta pay.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't complain over a rerun of the sacramental 100...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it lulzy how there's EXACTLY the same "volume" going on the fiat fansites irrespective ?
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2018/02/05/is-this-what-you-get-for-trying-to-help-the-less-fortunate/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Is this what you get for trying to help the less fortunate?
mircea_popescu: just because one manages to die in spite of penicillin doesn't mean antibiotics aren't the end of transmissible disease.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe it is "never recovered from mongol therapy", i believe it's "And they were such retarded pantsuits, not even the mongols could help them"
asciilifeform: ashes are good fertilizer but not themselves plant life. witness the near east (buchara etc) that never recovered from the mongol-therapy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, culture is entirely the product of regular rape. if you don't bother invading the town across the hill, killing all the men and raping all the women THAT ARE EAGER FOR IT (see http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/#selection-57.0-59.17 ) and killing all the rest, there's simply no way to have a culture, no matter what.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't clear that anybody'dve bothered with bitcoinism if this scenario were possible
asciilifeform: can observe however that the flip-side of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781569 medal is that europistan has actual cultures, but ameristan -- not
a111: Logged on 2014-08-13 14:40 asciilifeform: 'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are, then just swoop in and collect... This means the only way they can get in is if you let them get in. Dont let them get in for cheap - they have no business here.' (mp's http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollar
asciilifeform: then fastforward to the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-13#794524 maggotry, 'where's ours?!!' etc
mircea_popescu: (in fact, difference between new york and buenos aires wrt their relative impacts on countryside is probably MOSTLY explained by taxation)
asciilifeform: and if there had been a property tax in those days -- prolly would've been 0 takers
mircea_popescu: much like landgrants in the new world were generally seen, for a long time.
asciilifeform: the interesting and very btc-like aspect of the rr landgrants was that they were initially seen as ~totally worthless
a111: Logged on 2015-02-06 19:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2) client companies of the state wish to be important. the market tells them to stuff it 3) government steps in... <<< see also the famous example of syntex corp. in mexico (carl djerassi!) - first mass-production of synthetic progestins, then nationalized, then gone - 'bad luck!'
mircea_popescu: back to teh fetlife lulz : the amusing part, at least toi me, is that friend-adding still works! i'm the happy owner of an account with 7890 of them. which i expect is the site record.
asciilifeform: well you did say 'the former'
mircea_popescu: so i have little trouble believing, as clemens describes, "mark spot for depoit, buy the land from farmer, sell later at profit"
asciilifeform: but where's the robbery
mircea_popescu: "say one dollar more over its fair value and it's yours. the woman will get used to it."
mircea_popescu: try this in "civilised" europe, people hurr durr about "their ancestors" wtf batshit nonsense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i much believe the former.
asciilifeform: i.e. suddenly 'near the rails' became 'the place to be', and all the land was already owned by the grantees
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re the rails, i still don't wholly grasp whether the railroad co's in 19th c usa actually robbed anybody, or whether (as seems moar plausible) the whole thing was an early sneak preview of early-bitcoinism
asciilifeform: lol,there was a pause, was there a mp legalization act passed by parliament, then rescinded!?!11
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 16:16 hanbot: mircea_popescu sure i remember, was one of the more hysterical objections i'd ever heard. and iirc it wasn't just that *trilema* was "illegal"; *you* were lol
mircea_popescu: yes ? the above "40k/track mile" is congress appropriations also.
mircea_popescu: it's about 100mn currently, which implies a 2500x devaluation in the interval.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it wasn't technically expropriation -- iirc it was 1st given away to 'homesteaders' and then 'ungiven' when track was built
mircea_popescu: (for the curious : 40k/track mile was a generous-ishj appropriation for rail back then)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-14 03:16 asciilifeform: tell the folx expropriated by usg-cum-'private'railroads ( live <10mile of new tracks ? lose land ) about 'property right' , etc
asciilifeform: upstack re the rails, a bit moarcomplicated, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-14#1669896
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: broke the messages table!
mircea_popescu: <div class="notice_bar"><div class="ac">Unfortunately, creating new messages is currently broken. We are looking into it. Sorry. :(</div><a href="#" class="xxs un tdn i hide_notice" style="position: absolute; top: 10px; right: 10px">close</a></div> << the added element.
asciilifeform: ain't that the central knob ? what does this leave ?
mircea_popescu: aaahahahaha! in other wins... fetlife now has an announcement, "unfortunately, creating new messages is currently broken". very much http://trilema.com/2017/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item/ continuation lmao
mircea_popescu: and no state ever produces much in the way of sluts.
mircea_popescu: the importance of this, however, afaik went unnoticed. it makes a fucking difference to not have sluts ready to go on an adventure.
mircea_popescu: they were.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, spencer correctly points out the state-run french railways were a joke mid 1800s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's my considered oppinion that had napoleon switched the fleet to ironclads and had the french state not been permitted to operate any railroads, they'd have rebounded.
mircea_popescu: ie, english would have been spoken in america the way french is spoken in canada.
mircea_popescu: had the french had the sense to ironclad in 1799 and to private railroad in 1820, likely us rail system would have started from st louis and new orleans rather than new york and philadelphia, and as a result the 1860 dispute would have been a case of "tiny english east being shaken off humongous french colonial empire".
a111: Logged on 2017-10-10 01:45 mircea_popescu: used anything there was a significant chance to break a wheel in the road, as all the trails were built by 1435 mm wheels. but why were they ? because when the romans originally landed, they used 1435 mm wide wheelbases, which they had originally specified because it is what two average horses asses cover.
mircea_popescu: because the english had the railroad private, by the time they were ~done with it and the us was starting, they exported (unintentionally) a lot of the "mature" technology across the ocean. the united states was built atop the railroad, and consequently imported english like it imported http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-10#1723584
mircea_popescu: 1. when presented the steam engine, napoleon failed to see what's so great about it, resulting in no french steamboats. 2. once the english started using the steam engine in land mobility applications, the french incredibly idiotically made their railroads state property, thus ensuring they had no technology and no experts on hand.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 02:13 asciilifeform: the one with 'rich folx live in space station nao'
mircea_popescu: so, the ~reason~ north america ended up speaking english is two fold, and has nothing to do with anglotards.
asciilifeform: this is the one where errybody is somehow inside a train
asciilifeform: 'omfg they still have Real Eggs!111' etc
asciilifeform: nao that i think of it, that whole (otherwise almost intolerably ameritardian) film was really about amerifood
a111: Logged on 2015-09-03 03:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260904 << i recently met a fella who cannot drink american instant coffee. breaks out in hives. and not on account of the coffee, but from having allergy to... cockroaches.
trinque: "Oh yeah? We still produce RST packets!" said the agent, before losing his gaze in a cup of Folgers.
mircea_popescu: for a country that produces nothing and has nothing, the us manages to isolate itself from all markets worth the mention with admirable abandon.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 22:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731544 << everyone is, as a result of usg militant tardation. i can just drive into brazil. you -- can not. they "banned" turkish visitors, as if anyone from turkey could be arsed to go to the us ; turkey reciprocated, meaning about 70% of classical antiquity is now off limits to what in english passes for "the civilised world".
asciilifeform: recall incidentally that the orig 'spreading worx!11' lulgem concerned synth-caviar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc the russkis produced most of it.
mircea_popescu: im not aware anyone actually exports beluga to the us
asciilifeform: in american 'high end' shops there is, incidentally, product claiming to be 'Ersteklasse', but (largely from asciilifeform's childhood memory) i would say that it is a lie, is actually 'Zweite Klasse' per mircea_popescu's table.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the metonimy there suggests "to harden them up chemically", ie implant (like silicone implants) but of hardness not of bigness.
mircea_popescu: the core of an apple, on it goes.
mircea_popescu: cotor => book spine, the tough part of cabbage, more generally a hard core of things
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 16:24 mircea_popescu: local beer drinkin' gals (and the beer here is terryfying swill) think my fine rum (which is indeed finest in the world) is no good.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781391 << the difference is technical, chair "threw itself" into toe, stubbing it.
mircea_popescu: to give comprehension a chance : the joke in http://trilema.com/2011/spamerul-dan-pulic/#selection-99.54-99.175 is not really comprehensible without the visual aid found in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJCwxCLklg about 1 minute in.
asciilifeform: dedicated entomologist could prolly clean out the dbusism from'em. but i did not want to waste whole month.
asciilifeform: fwiw there are a number of proggies i was not able to build on that x60 , under my gentoo banflag-list . e.g. 'chromium', number of others.
mircea_popescu: (the true problem is that you end up with approximable programs, that do who knows what ; so not fit for running en serio)
mircea_popescu: then again you don't so much like sed.
mircea_popescu: not mechanical, no. just the principle of the thing -- jwz's indications of "required" are worth exactly as much as jwz itself.
asciilifeform: well yes, recall where i bulldozered out the autoconfism in mpi
mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised how often the "requirements" can simply be trampled with nary a shit given as to whose hopes and aspirations this rapes and how badly.
mircea_popescu: first let the build fail, then look at whether yo ucan be arsed to fix, then call it dead.
mircea_popescu: even though this is true, still no reason to permit them to name things.
asciilifeform: the build barfs, on account of 'we #include <liquishit21.h> and but you only have liquishit19.h and it takes 3 void * args in fucksheep() but our, Improved!1, takes 5 '
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...cuz heathens write against specific ver of $lib, naturally
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pkgsrc/portage/etc concern extant heathenware, strictly.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 15:20 phf: asciilifeform: by the way, freebsd's ports system (i tried it on a machine that can actually compile things, unlike x60) is a little bit more configurable than pkgsrc/openbsd, so you can actually disable dbus in emacs or firefox! but the lulz of lulz, firefox depends on gtk3, where you can't configure out dbus, so presumably it gets pulled anyway.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781259 << i think the pill for this sort of nonsense is to nuke the dependency graph altogether, bitch may depend on what you tell it to depend on and naught else.
mircea_popescu: (note, btw, the old link still resolves. and will, till the end of time. at no cost to me.)
asciilifeform: or for that matter the lulzboat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do they know about edison's concrete sofa?
mircea_popescu will now fix the title.
mircea_popescu: i think it's quite the educational maneuver.
mircea_popescu: one harem amusement is, girls propose batshit insane anti-engineering devices. such as, for example, a car made out of poured concrete. then they proceed to defend it as best they can.
asciilifeform: dunno, i think mircea_popescu's 1st picture, of the elementary 'my language lost the human parts' is spot on
mircea_popescu: and if that theory dun satisfy you, i have no better one.
mircea_popescu: anywa. as to how it is possible... equality, alf. they stuff it in everywhere.
mircea_popescu: anyway, quoted object is first result on a search, at least on the network i looked at.
asciilifeform: sorta why there's no escape around '1st, learn a human language' item
asciilifeform: ( not even speaking of latinism; but the subj itself )
asciilifeform: did these folx ever... see?! a spring
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 14:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781218 << laugh, but until today i had nfi that this mistranslation existed ! and it is still not clear to me how it was possible to come up with it while knowing that the orig referred to springs ( where the correct orig statement is true, and the bastardized -- elementarily -- not )
mircea_popescu: in retrospect, that 50% may be severely understated -- i can't think of a girl that actually likes boys. even if not gay, the selection on tap is such that... well...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've met a bunch of "vegetarian" gals that are no longer ; much like i actually fuck about half-lesbians by headcount these days. if you don't know how $item is, easy enough to "give it up"
mircea_popescu: so virgin bois destined to a life of online cuckolding (speaking of which -- seriously now, stop fighting it, look how pretty it is : http://boards.4chan.org/gif/thread/12067714 ) can sorta imagine themselves fucking my holes ; but on the other hand http://trilema.com/2018/hey-women-did-you-know-that-before-the-pantsuited-hilarity-gave-you-your-civil-rights-you-were-living-in-slavery/#selection-71.0-73.47
mircea_popescu: the thing with food is that if you're used to crap, good food tastes dubious at best to you.
mircea_popescu: local beer drinkin' gals (and the beer here is terryfying swill) think my fine rum (which is indeed finest in the world) is no good.
asciilifeform: or is it clear even to maggot that if mircea_popescu wanted to feed a cake to maggots, he can get them right outside of his window, and doesn't need to import from overseas ? but for this other item somehow not clear
asciilifeform: how come nobody writes in, in response to mircea_popescu's food articles, offering to 'help' to eat the mega-caeks ? ( or... do they )
mircea_popescu: btw, speaking of the pizdi thing : can you even for a second believe thant 100% (that is, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT) of respondents were MALE, penning items in the vein of "well... maybe you need help fucking the herd you already got ? you never know ? hm ?"
mircea_popescu: if you're willing to say the "pay me what i say for me to do what i think i should do" class is more like gnats than chairs, in the end it makes no difference, mechanisms are still not people.
mircea_popescu: "check me out, master of the chairs, i roll them down inclines!!!" ie http://trilema.com/2010/aventurile-zilei/#selection-49.743-49.975
hanbot: mircea_popescu sure i remember, was one of the more hysterical objections i'd ever heard. and iirc it wasn't just that *trilema* was "illegal"; *you* were lol
asciilifeform: dunno that 'chair' is the right model. they have at least the elementary behaviours of e.g. fruit flies.
mircea_popescu: they're just items. can you imagine a chair taking revenge ?
asciilifeform: i suppose this is not so diff from the folx who kept shilling for e.g. pirate ~after~ the magic day
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because the poor have no souls.
mircea_popescu: so you know, to alf's absolute standard, "she never suffered the consequences", i guess.
asciilifeform: this part i always found puzzling. why not take the chance for revenge
mircea_popescu: somehow even if given the chance, usg-influence agent orc will NOT cut the usg idiocy out with hot shears.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/oameni-de-a-caror-nefericire-ma-bucur/ << jeanne chiriac. she was utterly bankrupt a few years later, but never penned the proper http://trilema.com/2010/bani-pentru-piariste/ self-humiliation piece.
mircea_popescu: femeia nesuferita, "the insufferable woman".
mircea_popescu: "they" in the sense that there was some evident central structure, prolly driven by us embassy on a tight budget, and there was a lot of faking audience numbers and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the hipster bunch.\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at any rate, i'd say about 1/3 of pre-2012 trilema consists pretty much of this, "corner ro toporisk, erape them, publish the results".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which they
mircea_popescu: hanbot hey, remember when trilema was declared "illegal" because i had an ocean of stickers put up in the vein of http://trilema.com/2016/pizdi/ and they a) had never thought of it and b) couldn't afford the coupla benjies even if they had thought of it, so massive butthurt ensued ?
asciilifeform: 'nobody's pissing, rain is just yellow around these parts'
mircea_popescu: rather like today's usgistani reaction, at that. great times.
mircea_popescu: sure. tons of various kinds, i spent years pissing on them in ro while they were "upset" and "trilema doesn't exist because it pisses on us from the balcony".
mircea_popescu: logically, if you don't step on their face, they're going to go about "having ideas" and "making choices" and so on.
BingoBoingo: They do have pnojes! To order deliveries made en motocicleta
mircea_popescu: but otherwise yes, your intuition is fundamentally correct, the scum is universally responsive, they could produce however millions of "human rights" and "democracy" and the rest of the fake bullshit if anyone gave them the time of day.
asciilifeform: oh hah i'd expect they have pnojes by nao
BingoBoingo: Here most of the motocicletists seem to be delivery folk. Behave like scared rabbits. Do shit like coast with motor off downhill on sidewalks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no monroe doctrine for egypt. no ubiquitous "smart"phone to carry the message of the imams of the cult of the dead clitler.
mircea_popescu: they are at that. you should see the retards here. 0 lights, on highway. weaving in like nobody's business. so what if it's night, you should be able to sense their presence.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what i was thinking of, is sorta like the diff b/w usa motorcyclist and orc : the ameritard buys 'harley' on credit, because he saw some movies once; the orc has old zundapp simply because that's all the petrol he can afford , and all the parking that's to be had in his goat shed << Nah, they do not ride zundapps. They ride a lot of Yumbos and other chinese imports.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how would you account for the diff ? (i.e. egyptian orc has his 'jam tomorrow' receptors safely plugged by koran ? or how. why not as susceptible to 'betterfutureism'..? )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i assumed, possibly naively, that the orcistani ones simply can't afford a motor. << There is another contingent that believes, or says they believe motocicletas are UNSAFE!!!
mircea_popescu: no. there was about as much biciclism there as in colombia/uruguay/whatever, but these looked like mobility solutions rather than "hope in a better future".
asciilifeform: south amer orcs indeed seem to go about signalling for imagined gringosaheeb to uplift'em to mothership. how about in mircea_popescu's egypt tho ? same kind of bicyclism ?
mircea_popescu: and what he's virtue signalling is one of two things : either "i am ready to be elevated into a criminology beca at spaceship" or else "i am ready to be given a precious cuntlet you no longer need to rule all things around me".
mircea_popescu: in my view, orc biciclist is virtue-signalling, exactly like entirely worthless zek that goes about yakking "civil rights" as if the clitler version of this were a thing.
mircea_popescu: elisa estevez is the direction to understand this, the "magical orc touched by the vorlons".
asciilifeform: what i was thinking of, is sorta like the diff b/w usa motorcyclist and orc : the ameritard buys 'harley' on credit, because he saw some movies once; the orc has old zundapp simply because that's all the petrol he can afford , and all the parking that's to be had in his goat shed
mircea_popescu: then they gotta "fight corruption" in the sense of, get the local elite replaced with more malleable turds.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the difference between "functioning democracy" and "evil authoritarian regime" in the cia fictionbook is whether the local elite takes the above view or the mp view of "everything you do here, you pay, and you pay to find out how much to pay, and pray it doesn't change further".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i assumed, possibly naively, that the orcistani ones simply can't afford a motor.
mircea_popescu: so yes, wanna-be "hipsters" from south america (pro tip : you CAN NOT be a hipster there, fakers!) are, irrespective of their hallucinated "wealth", pushing the usg official catechism-for-the-poor. what of it.
mircea_popescu: empower the alt-reality fictions of worthless "precious" cuntlet, so devoid of any value or impoirtance she couldn't even fdind clerical employment in her home country.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not sure what you're arguing here. of course orc "chiefs" as promoted by usg tards (ie, exactly http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ )exist entirely and for no other reason than to promote the usg tard's worldview ? yul brenner's role in the usg tard wankfic of "anna and the king" is all about how the KING of orcistan knows no greater glory than to
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 14:36 asciilifeform: who the fuck wants to flip through 9000 empties.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 06:22 ben_vulpes: i want to do something to surface the dates of conversations, also the "next" button on the monthly view lets one page forward into infinity, but i'm going to let it sit for now
ben_vulpes: yeah, artifact of the link being to .#<anchor>
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but... i find it suspicious the dates for all lines are from the last day of the month ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 14:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781237 << why not make the default behaviour of the arrows 'go to the next/prev nonempty page'. imho that's The Right Thing.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781250 << would be a shame to waste a whole page on 2 lines, as happens from time to time, but i can see the argument, esp in re how the monthcollapse hides dates
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781237 << perhaps the 'prev' link showing 2017-12-31 is too subtle
asciilifeform: you oughta see some of these bicycles, mircea_popescu , sometimes they cost moar than your classic bmw
asciilifeform: if so, it'd make moarsense -- in gringostan, biciclism is not so much a vice of the poor and autoless, but of moneyed hipster types ( they shell out, e.g., 10k/mo for a 200m^2 flat 'near' googleplex, and biciclate to/from it while pompously bragging about 'ecologically clean' etc 0
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: These pieces are from pantsuit outlets in old country
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am assuming the bicicletists are allowed to terrorize self driving cars with impunity.
mircea_popescu: let the poor women die painfully in abject poverty for the glorification of the select few.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! how's that meant to work , on hearing the magic signal, autos errywhere grind to a halt ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo same exact idiocy as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778771 : "better server a turd to everyone than machinegun the poor so actual people can have the actual things god intended".
BingoBoingo: Eh, there isn't enought to qntra outta the headline I wanted. Apparently the pantsuits are pushing bici to vehicle transponders as a way of ensuring bicicletist safety in a self driving car world. What isn't stated by the pantsuits is a lol, but not enough of one.
mircea_popescu: the republic prevails!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everyone here talks about their bici's which few people actually ride. Thusly there's a cognitive bump in my head as I compose a piece on the latest pantsuit premonition.
mircea_popescu: check that out, bbpisp realised like 40 bitcent financial gains on the latest round of financing
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
asciilifeform: a dependency graph that came from buncha jwz types shitting where they stand, without any concept of hygiene ( esp. ~political~ hygiene, where infections of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742487 are immediately spotted and flamethrowered where they stand until not even dust remains) -- will yes, appear to demand solution to multiple np-hard problems every time you want to do the simplest things.
asciilifeform: for all the rot of gentoo, i was nevertheless able to get this result, after using the recipe i posted 2y ago
asciilifeform: phf: i have a gtk2-only ff on the gentoo-x60; but iirc it is an old ver
phf: asciilifeform: by the way, freebsd's ports system (i tried it on a machine that can actually compile things, unlike x60) is a little bit more configurable than pkgsrc/openbsd, so you can actually disable dbus in emacs or firefox! but the lulz of lulz, firefox depends on gtk3, where you can't configure out dbus, so presumably it gets pulled anyway.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when canhaz the godly 700 again!111
asciilifeform: phf: i recall this; it is The Right Thing
asciilifeform: who the fuck wants to flip through 9000 empties.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781237 << why not make the default behaviour of the arrows 'go to the next/prev nonempty page'. imho that's The Right Thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 09:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781214 << this, by the way, is a major result of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780490 ; and a fine proof of their importance. at issue isn't "give me file x", like in classical fs-addressing "static" http, to which the answer may be "here it is" or "no such thing". the semantic content is "give me the item that is like this", which results in ONE resource that satisfies the criterion gi
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 08:51 mircea_popescu: two important items, to belabour this point : pondus is load, not "weight". proportion, not "equality", is rendered by the ut/sic ~nonverbal~ construction.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 08:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781159 << for the record, "ut pondus sic tensio" doesn't mean "the weight is equal to the tension", as commonly translated by primitive north american orc minds. it says "as upon the weight, so [upon] the tension", meaning that changes of tension are proportional (and not equal) to changes applied to load.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781218 << laugh, but until today i had nfi that this mistranslation existed ! and it is still not clear to me how it was possible to come up with it while knowing that the orig referred to springs ( where the correct orig statement is true, and the bastardized -- elementarily -- not )
asciilifeform: imho it belongs there
asciilifeform: hey trinque can you add his www to the rss roll ?
mircea_popescu: basically i'm looking to better guarantees that my clicking has an effect. "it will give you previous day" is a great thing on #trilema, where you fucking know a day is going to take like... a day to go through, especially if you check references / think about what's said etc. but if the channel is lower volume, it may well be meaningless, "thank you for your click, here's a WHOLE NEW empty field to replace your previous empt
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 04:57 trinque: "you look just like your mother did at your age!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781194 << how the fuck would he know. o, wait... nc, i forgot.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 04:31 hanbot: and on other people's planes, emotional support peacocks are a thing up there now?! http://archive.is/azMke
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781185 << lmao. the peacock being one of the dumbest birds, i can see why the woman bonded to it.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 02:33 ben_vulpes: you haven't noticed that bitcoin isn't the toplevel topic here more often than not?
mircea_popescu: and i daresay that this is very much the right thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 00:13 asciilifeform: the whole 'dynamic pages' thing is a terrifying hack on classical http
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 08:36 mircea_popescu: btw, from the wonders of mp-wp : the above "cut" link ( http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe ) STILL RESOLVES FINE. because mp-wp is set up to do that, for greatere glory.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781214 << this, by the way, is a major result of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780490 ; and a fine proof of their importance. at issue isn't "give me file x", like in classical fs-addressing "static" http, to which the answer may be "here it is" or "no such thing". the semantic content is "give me the item that is like this", which results in ONE resource that satisfies the criterion gi
mircea_popescu: (the ancient "εἴτε τὰ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς εἴτε τὰ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς" that then yielded in the orthodox rite "precum in cer asa si pe pamint" etcetera, ie a retroversion to the original egyptian mysticologies that originated the whole pile, is the box in which this sleeps.)
mircea_popescu: two important items, to belabour this point : pondus is load, not "weight". proportion, not "equality", is rendered by the ut/sic ~nonverbal~ construction.
mircea_popescu: this sort of difference, "subtle" if you're born to do dishes, is both the bread and butter of science as well as the fundamental pillar of human language.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781159 << for the record, "ut pondus sic tensio" doesn't mean "the weight is equal to the tension", as commonly translated by primitive north american orc minds. it says "as upon the weight, so [upon] the tension", meaning that changes of tension are proportional (and not equal) to changes applied to load.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 22:45 b41e209ccc264812: I am the Mario guy and a kind of fan of Munguia
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781147 << claim it the other way though ; otherwise ~anyone can make a new key and say "I'm X". Have X say you're him.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other tricks of the trade, http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/#comment-124452 << signing in emacs buffer/publishing via w3m, it's a thing!\
mircea_popescu: btw, from the wonders of mp-wp : the above "cut" link ( http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe ) STILL RESOLVES FINE. because mp-wp is set up to do that, for greatere glory.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-26 17:16 asciilifeform: ( and lol, this has gotta be the 1st time i hear mircea_popescu refer to a hardcopy of sumthing..? )
mircea_popescu: we'll consider disgrace rewrite was before he declared his interest and therefore known to him ; this still leaves us EIGHT books, what do you mean "no".
mircea_popescu: -social-philosophy ; and then there's of course the http://trilema.com/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story rewrite.
mircea_popescu: ial. http://trilema.com/talent-triumphant-or-on-empathy << this is a rewritten book, originally "micuta/n-a dansat decit o vara". http://trilema.com/resplenduminous << idem rewritten book ; then there's the whole rothbardf series, from http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-i-natural-law-and-reason to http://trilema.com/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-vi-a-crusoe
mircea_popescu: (there's of course also http://trilema.com/2018/the-man-versus-the-state/ ; and http://trilema.com/we-shall-now-read-anathem i suppose counts as a book ? http://trilema.com/cezar-petrescu-file-dintrun-caiet-de-amintiri-mateiu-i-caragiale is perhaps making the cut also ? http://trilema.com/alexandru-osvald-pastorel-teodoreanu << this is a book, "strofe cu pelin de mai pentru/contra iorga neculai" fortified with newspaper mater
mircea_popescu: and is it me or are these three point log combos becoming ever more frequent
a111: Logged on 2018-01-26 16:23 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3178/3178-h/3178-h.htm << pretty decent yarn, mark twain's forgotten novel.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 22:37 asciilifeform: then i regret to inform b41e209ccc264812 that there are no new b00kz
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-04#1781117 << inasmuch as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627344 still applies, there's at the very least http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776924
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 22:36 b41e209ccc264812: the books guy is back
ben_vulpes: i want to do something to surface the dates of conversations, also the "next" button on the monthly view lets one page forward into infinity, but i'm going to let it sit for now
a111: Logged on 2018-02-04 16:12 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes : i just spent 10 minutes clicking like a madman through the dates of your logs of trilema-trinque trilema-mod6 etc. could it be a feature that if one month contains less than 2k lines of log then it is presented as a month by month rather than as a day by day thing ?
trinque: "you look just like your mother did at your age!"
ben_vulpes: in other north carolina doing north carolina things... https://nypost.com/2018/02/04/father-daughter-couple-arrested-for-incest-after-having-love-child/
hanbot: and on other people's planes, emotional support peacocks are a thing up there now?! http://archive.is/azMke
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 20:52 mircea_popescu: this trip she got to ride around in one ; and found out that the ambassador's official representation car is exactly her mark and mode ; except made in mexico not imported from bayerische krankenwerk directly.
asciilifeform: which is annoying and will need a fiddling mechanism i'd rather not have.
asciilifeform: and, to nobody's great surprise, i suspect, the ideal karatsuba threshhold turns out to differ for 'soft' vs 'iron' word-mul variant.
asciilifeform: this is the karatsuba ch. quite possibly the most complicated in the whole series. and no it can't be split.
ben_vulpes: you haven't noticed that bitcoin isn't the toplevel topic here more often than not?
ben_vulpes: hey, you don't talk much the name didn't stick
Techman: I just haven't opened my VM yet to do the gpg verification to get voiced again (weechat ran out of memory lul)
phf: poor hygiene outside the gates, if you don't want to sign, can always include a shasum of a secret, reveal it when you need to prove identity to the counterparty. a very simple fire and forget method
asciilifeform: none of this has any connection with the item he apparently came for.
asciilifeform: wanted to point out to him that it is more or less the weakest type of key possible at the given bitness.
asciilifeform: ( currently i can't see how b41e209ccc264812 can prove that he is the orig commenter. but it ain't me he will have to satisfy, but rather mircea_popescu )
b41e209ccc264812: I am the Mario guy and a kind of fan of Munguia
b41e209ccc264812: To claim my 0.01 bitcent from the fun http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/.