BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: It's a stress, but as I'm sure I mentioned before... a productive stress. Beats the hell out of persistent stagnant dread-stress.
mp_en_viaje: isn't it fun, actually doing something rather than sitting twiddling thumbs worrying...
mp_en_viaje: let me be the judge of that.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: atm haven't even made for you the 1st breakfast tho.
mp_en_viaje: i get it, you enjoy that part. nevertheless, you can't cook me a 2nd breakfast instead of serving me the first because you enjoy cooking more than serving.
mp_en_viaje: the not fine part is -- asciilifeform idiot, instead of loading sprins on truck, let truck leave empty, spent time digging more ore.
asciilifeform: atm yes. cuz asciilifeform , 'idiot, wasted time', dug the ore an' forged them springs.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, well, because they did. socialist reinterpretation of capitalism is still socialist.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 14:28:55 mp_en_viaje: because this is what the socialist golum does : at first it is taken aback by new open field, "who knows, this could be ANYTHING". but then it starts weighing, and soon enough discovers a 1-2% cut of the field which "satisfies" 80% or so of the usage
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943654 << For all the 80's/90's Ruh Ruh USA!!! wank I grew on on... Things seem indistinguishable from a world where the soviets wom.
mp_en_viaje: no amount of "we finely carved this clump of gpg wood" will substitute for a single grain of "we did the outreach".
asciilifeform: there's no way to avoid work.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: orig. asciilifeform's counter to 'internet is disappearing' was 'let's make mp_en_viaje's gossipd'. but then, like idjit, went to try an' make isp purse from sow ear.
mp_en_viaje: again -- not because i hate you, but because things are what they are.
mp_en_viaje: what i give a shit about is the things i keep yelling about.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr i wasn't under the impression that you were.
mp_en_viaje: there's not going to be eg computing, because "intelligent" bois of 0 value aren't any match for 1970s french farmers.
mp_en_viaje: there exist good cheeses now because (mostly french) many anon farmers produced the structure to protect them.
mp_en_viaje: entrenching resistence to this only works if yo uwork it -- there's eg excellent cheese available today (but only in yurp -- and trump banned, also, as part and parcel of PRACTICAL governance, because the wal doesn't matter but the fact ustards have ~noyhing to offer in counterparty for the fine euro cheese DOES matter)
mp_en_viaje: and when that happens, the field's fucked. permanently.
mp_en_viaje: because this is what the socialist golum does : at first it is taken aback by new open field, "who knows, this could be ANYTHING". but then it starts weighing, and soon enough discovers a 1-2% cut of the field which "satisfies" 80% or so of the usage
mp_en_viaje: people, generally, ineptly failing to make ~good~ websites back in 2001 meant, necessarily, that the space'll eventually be taken up by "platforms". foss retards failing to make useful software back in 2006 meant, necessarily, that the space'll eventually be taken up by ubuntus. similarly with dcs, the "vibrant market" for many independent people's boxes is being eaten by netflix in the wake of googleamazon ops, and has been.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:20:21 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943254 << i dun get it, do you want the item properly completed or not ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943330 << my problems right now is that while we diddledaddled at "isp", the world changed. i dunno if you understand this or not, observe if yourself or not, but it doesn't fucking matter.
asciilifeform: like the logger!111
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 17:18:23 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, prolly will have to be an extension of logger bots, where they also act as vpatch registrers
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943635 << so happens that this very thing was asciilifeform's just about last request to phf . ( never birthed, tho )
mp_en_viaje: all things that do this will eventually be garbage collected, because wtf, we'll just drown in figurines otherwise.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:09:35 mp_en_viaje: attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on.
mp_en_viaje: but you know, first, gotta see lobbes mp-wp combo, THEN
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, prolly will have to be an extension of logger bots, where they also act as vpatch registrers
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 14:33:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll listen, but imho you oughta pick a coordinate from mp's globe and take that evacuation, as soon as the reactor's properly quenched.
mp_en_viaje: (to clarify : build ipx list, because it lists live active dc/isp operatoons. you're not likely to get to work for the ixp directly as these are usually ~foundations, nonprofits)
mp_en_viaje: unless your style is "go to that store, bring me one of everything", "get in the car, we're going" isn't the way to go.
mp_en_viaje: "fuck you guise, i;m otta here" is for the sort of mobster-looking dude with a 10k usd brick in a steel clip in his pocket and iron packing escort grinning from over his shoulders.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> you can mail from your current chair, what's the impediment << Just trying to squash the earlier "evac nao" hysterics
mp_en_viaje: you'll get a lowball offer which you take and then pivot later.
mp_en_viaje: can also be frank with them, "look, i came to uy to get isp going, worked ok for 3 years, dc died from under us, i got a girl and must relocate asap"
asciilifeform: afaik the only ixp in uy is antel. but mp_en_viaje has it
mp_en_viaje: you can mail from your current chair, what's the impediment
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Right. asciilifeform: The place to be emailing ISPs would be Uruguay or WTF? Imma pack twice?
mp_en_viaje: vancouver is cold, but the pay's also better than whatever uruguay has to offer. rents&cost of living also higher, but odds are she doesn't comprehend that.
mp_en_viaje: in any case, i can appreciate your wanting to stay, but it is possible uruguay not very good spot for you. could alternatively build that list of ixp's, start emailing cvs to all of them asking for employment. if get one, just tell the girl to come, odds are she will.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje has sold me that datacenter tech is probably best career for me as I am today. Next obstacle is does any datacenter have the brains to take mp_en_viaje's recommendation with the necessary gravity.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By all appearances Latecho can't pay Uruguayos, and I did make their surviving sales and telecom managers pale this week. Guy seems to have gone oldgendered coverting Latecho to low investment netflix box pension
asciilifeform: fwiw i'm satisfied that there's moar buried nazi gold to be found in uy than dc-run-by-guy but if mp_en_viaje not convinced , i haven't a counter
mp_en_viaje: well, if they did was his job to find on your/my dime prior, in any case.
asciilifeform: re 'run by a guy' -- these dun seem to exist in uy
mp_en_viaje: makes little diff, just the personality signature's right. like that douchebag dood or w/e, if trinque ran a dc i'd pack you tonight.
asciilifeform: btw is it known that maxim of mivo actually runs the dc ?
mp_en_viaje: the ONE important thing is to latch on a dc that's run by a guy, quite like that mivo dude, and not by a retarded ugiistanism, "corporation"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Motorcycles are a dying niche on the high end. Low end is all products of india.
mp_en_viaje: the only other similar thing is trucking, but imo that's poison for you, because too many people do it so it's been well colonized by specific preditors that are effectual enough.
mp_en_viaje: this is pretty much the whole bar. i can think of no other professional line where this particular mix of dedication, greenishness and blindsidedness is equally adequate. and certainly of no better paying one.
mp_en_viaje: these for the positive. for the negative, you managed to live in dc without hamhandling any cables / runing things with hooves / etc.
mp_en_viaje: the difference between dc tech and platoonleader is that dc tech need not situational awareness, possibly your weakest spot. has a boss, who tells him exactly what to do EACH time all the time no exceptions forever.
mp_en_viaje: the difference between dc tech and oncologist is that what dc tech must know is 1/100 the volume. very similar sort of inexpressible minutia, but not requires 15+ years of direct practice. bright student can catch up in 6 to 9 mo
mp_en_viaje: the difference between dc tech and barrista is that dc tech MUST show up EVERY TIME. can't hit the snooze. is rather like surgeon in this respect. this -- you do.
mp_en_viaje: i think ~for you, personally~, such as you are and irrespective of outside considerations, dc tech may be the best career path.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: indeed they do
BingoBoingo gets that a point that seems to be datacenter tech'ing is the one of the few things for which Republic needs meat soldier
mp_en_viaje: but because they who are so requiring ARE FEW, the aggregating effects of mass market STILL apply.
asciilifeform: aint 'phd' either. but not quite 'buy from any flea market, wtf, phd assembly line, derp'
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i suspect you're missing the finer point here.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 23:21:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: here is how FGs went in machine, if this helps. if that space aint there (and in most boxes, in asciilifeform's experience, it aint) then can only put'em by e.g. forgoing raid card and using that space. or in 5in. disk slot (which most also lack.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re other-people's gear -- aint exactly, as you suggested, 'interchangeable sex tape that can be made with any tard', see e.g. 1, 2 .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 13:24:39 asciilifeform: at this pt the retardation of uruguay seems to be a bottomless blackn hole. if we couldn't fill it then, why to think that can fill it nao ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943548 << what "nao" ? i'm asking him retrospectively, so as to try an' make sure no droplet of experience elixir he fucking paid for gets lost on the sands.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943512 << nao i'm wondering whether 'pogos' somehow breed... the suitcase was <4 sq.ft.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma also lay off 'tin soldiering' BingoBoingo , he's an a++ meat soldier and seems to be handling the evacuation 100% properly with own head.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aite, i'ma lay off until reactor's quenched. but the q of where goes BingoBoingo aint 100% irrelevant to the quench process.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Where to next if anywhere is background question versus the immediate concern of cleaning up the Pizarro remains.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:02:39 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, they will be gassed with anyway, ima just have to have someone else remake 'em.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And yet I don't want to end up in deeper black hole for prematurely landing at some other spot on globe.
asciilifeform: imho the most valuable surviving component of piz is BingoBoingo , and would suck x9000 to lose him to the black hole.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: errybody joins the foliage at some pt.
asciilifeform: at this pt the retardation of uruguay seems to be a bottomless blackn hole. if we couldn't fill it then, why to think that can fill it nao ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes dude, all life's possible for they who know how to live. a life of eating bugs is possible for frog, a life of eating shoots is possible to the deer, at the end of the day you're to come with some kind of life you can live or else join the foliage.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.
asciilifeform cannot categorically say 'impossible to make moneys smuggling comps into fuckholistan' but prolly possible for suitcase man who knows how to get >100kg in for 2k $ trip, rather than <100
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've been getting rid of the obv. dross , 1st..
asciilifeform took this to near-pathological extent, still in fact has all of the parts for attempt at pick-n-place machine etc
mp_en_viaje: well, the problem is, if you ever want to get it back out, you'd better knwo where the fuck to get it back out of. so, yes.
asciilifeform: unless to count a 2013 prototype rng, the size of postage stamp.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc you have 20 'pogo' . ( not aware of other 'detritus' )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje already well made the point that he didnt sign up to warehouse anyffin.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: any gear we buy back as snsa by all rights gotta return to asciilifeform's torture chamber rack, at least until there's where else. that way no 'wont have or who thefuck knows' neh.
mp_en_viaje: you're not held to do marketing for other people's colocated gear, returning that's a-ok.
mp_en_viaje: but that protective conservatism is ~all my concern in the matter.
mp_en_viaje: but the full expectation that it'll just sit there as an elevator button for alf to cut his arm into later, where he won't have them or who the fuck knows what happens.
mp_en_viaje: the only reason i'd prefer not to is that it'll then go on the nsa books ; and the reason i don't really want to do THAT is not that it costs me anything to keep copy/pasting a line over the however many reports ;
mp_en_viaje: otherwise, if you two(/three, whatevs) decide you absolutely not want to sell boxes locally (preferably after having considered the matter, rather than some inept guesswork in the blind), sna can take gear in lieu of cash, but not at arbitrary rates of nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: i don't fucking need your latest accounts to hit his head against the rock, so put them out when they come.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, aite. no real ememrgency with the paperwork, ended up being discussed because alf being ridiculous, don't take his squirmings in all directions as some kind of "omg, now mp desperately needs accounts".
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Will have to dig deeper. I plan to to the full notes and accounting autopsy this weekend. ATM preparing the shared customer backups for uploading to deedbot.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, was a .4 from prior to the .5 indeed ?
mp_en_viaje: i described the adventures of some girl who had no idea about public nudity last week, i think.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if you told me he's the man who got o. j. simpson to walk from electric chair, i'd also believe. but gpg -- he had 0 idea about.
mp_en_viaje: if you lease champion stallion and fail to make it across the river on its back, it is not going to retrospectively anull the animals' achievements.
mp_en_viaje: and, for that matter, to this very day i hold ro id issues by ~the county~ of timis ; all others, in all history, issued by ~a city~.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:22:37 mp_en_viaje: i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ?
mp_en_viaje: dered green card (all others have expiration date).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:14:55 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943177 << the 'master attourney' who mp billed as 'will use gpg' but never heard of any such thing ? him ? yes i'ma pay what mp billed for this 'service' .
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943317 << looky, among other things that dood did, was invent a whole new category of greencard for chet when i needed it. it involved suing the ro govt successfully, undder my management yes but he did the courtroom litigation and managed all the prepwork for it himself ; the end product was an item NOBODY ELSE, in the whole world ever had, a unique artefact of a permanent, court-or
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943308 << i didn't actually review these, but wasn't it half a coin that pizarro owed nsa, as a convertible bond nsa never converted ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:08:08 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:10:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943154 << errything i personally carried summed to 100kg (and in fact weighed.) but no i did not order BB to disconnect the installed customers so that i could weigh'em
asciilifeform: per the teachings of mp_en_viaje's , as i understand it makes diff, 'aint a man unless harem' neh
asciilifeform: eva + the secretutes.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, there was no ideological difference at work there. the schroedinger case is irrelevant (and, rather, herr s should have been hanged not when went to hitler, but when failed to say "yes i live with two women, so should you, shut it"
mp_en_viaje: there's nothign "to say" in general and from outside like you propose.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what he oughta have said ? what was there to say ?
mp_en_viaje: and, consider even : he spoke LATIN! wasn't even his native lang, he had the wherewithal to address the roman in his own tongue
mp_en_viaje: now fucking spare me with "intellectual work" of the ilk and on the level of "noli turbare circulos meos!!1"
mp_en_viaje: so much fucking thinking these people did, the whole empire ended as a going concern, and germany was made arounf austria.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:08:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943147 << mp achieves what aristotel could not : overpowering fundamental contempt for not only physical labour, but intellectual ( of anyone other than mp's , naturally. newton -- autistic fucktard!1 thinking -- aint thinking, but 'autistic spin' unless done by mp over weapons-grade coffee in vienna on table made of three gurlz , etc )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943301 << you know who did a lot of thinking ? Karl Philipp, Fürst zu Schwarzenberg. alledgedly, at least to hear the austrians, this dood did a whole lotta thinking. so much and so hard he thought, he even had a special thinkery where he hand-picked other thinkers to supplement the thinkers the kaisrin provided out of her own tinkerbands.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 15:43:27 mp_en_viaje: consider also that, as far as anyone knew, working pizarro was ~only avenue of resolving the "by large group" issue. yes, if pizarro became 2020s digitalocean, then surely the demand on alf-sealed hw would have become such that alf... what ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:07:57 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942670 << because http://trilema.com/2011/webfactor-procedurile-si-idiotenia/ ; and because many numerous such detailed in detail back when i wrote in romanian. things might've changed in the intervening years, though i do not have any faith in the tards. seems the only true capacity of the romanian is for the above "ima just sit here doing what i'm doing and wait
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:04:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943101 << the heathen dc q imho resolves to 'best horses in glue factory'. so far seems 100% tards. nao, which tard do you want to do biz with ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943290 << well, i nearly did with the one with a gpg key.
mp_en_viaje: because obviously, how the fuck are they gonna mass-market the definitive lordly product, strudel existed back in the day when the consumers were few, not many.
mp_en_viaje: all the strudel in austria and bavaria was SHAITE incomprehensible. it was called that, it came from there, it was not worth the eating.
mp_en_viaje: if then million people want your hand-made linzer torte / apfelstrudel / whatever, what do you do ?
mp_en_viaje: consider also that, as far as anyone knew, working pizarro was ~only avenue of resolving the "by large group" issue. yes, if pizarro became 2020s digitalocean, then surely the demand on alf-sealed hw would have become such that alf... what ?
mp_en_viaje: which is both why a) my girls, while required to perfrom ~just as well as whores~ nevertheless aren't on sale with the other whores and b) i don't see the wisdom in trained-monkey-alf-business.
mp_en_viaje: work that not many can do that not many want is exactly the stupid girl trap. alf's highly dramatized whinings about tin soldiers aside, i'd very much like to protect my household, however construed, from such wasteful fate.
mp_en_viaje: which sums up to, there are TWO key ingredients in getting paid. work that not many can do ~and that many want~.
mp_en_viaje: but the market still is what the market is -- unless you can convince ~a whole group~ to apply the above algo, you've got nothing. hence the importance of outreach.
mp_en_viaje: now, to continue the analogy -- certain people prefer certain people's sex tapes, very drastically, in that will buy no others.
mp_en_viaje: in this sense, minimum wage is a substitute for the capital cost of having the moron shot.
mp_en_viaje: (its value, incidentally, is positive also because of the market effect -- if retard was there doing that therefore was not somewhere else doing something else, and the value of the spurious man not hindering the actual humans is positive always.
mp_en_viaje: however, sex tapes are worth minwage, and only because that's what minwage means (in socialism), the arbitrary value of hour of sweat
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 09:50:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943287 << it's possible, it's possible. consider the value of your unpublished sex tape. as such, can be done by exactly one at a time -- if you're not in it, it's not your sex tape.
mp_en_viaje: in fact, have been using him like this for years ; and amusingly last night fell on passage, "Thence I after dinner to the Duke of York's playhouse, and there saw "Sir Martin Mar-all;" which I have seen so often, and yet am mightily pleased with it, and think it mighty witty, and the fullest of proper matter for mirth that ever was writ; and I do clearly see that they do improve in their acting of it. "
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943281 << i'm reading samuel pepys. an excellent read, to wash out the shaw & other intellectual warts and clots.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: myeah, I had the ref code page on ossasepia.com ; ofc; of fucking course.
BingoBoingo: On top of every lord their own isp
diana_coman: fwiw the bitch was making sure I have latest mpwp; because shit, hanbot's site is down, billymg's site is down and yes, I had backups of the db and www but not of all software too, sigh.
asciilifeform: neato diana_coman . BingoBoingo has the last-alive copy tho, if it is needed.
mp_en_viaje: just the beatign by iself ain't gonna do much.
asciilifeform: screw priests, i've a whole pope on the line here
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr i dun think yer wrong, that we're all charlatans. if i knew where the 'competent people who solve problems' live, would show to mp_en_viaje , and go off to the bar where phf is working on his cirrhosis .
mp_en_viaje: but yes, the whole fucking concept's that perhaps pooling salvation might work.
mp_en_viaje: well for one BingoBoingo selflessly saved everyone from having to confront the "wtf are you doing" thing for a year or two.
asciilifeform: perhaps some of'em will return the favour..
mp_en_viaje: good thing you asked then.
mp_en_viaje: you saved them.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: where's the gallows where you hanged all the fellas who didn't write logger in august ?
mp_en_viaje: but you deliver it in a fortnight and then i can hang everyone who doesn't similarly, for being a wayward dick-in-hands.
mp_en_viaje: such that for instance, when i say "well, convert your namecheap membership into an irc bot, and open it to the republic then", people don't go "omfg mp, what unthinkable thing, let me spend now 6 years '''meditating''' in my wankastery".
mp_en_viaje: what i need, and want, and would help plenty, would be more competent people who can AND DO solve the relevant problems.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect that he'll find it tho. cuz he's trapped on this hell planet where there's 1 actual-person and 1e10 tards.
BingoBoingo: And speaking with other small business folks on the Monday lawyer/networking walk suggests Uruguay may see a cascaded of non-farm business failures in near future. This may or may not be an interesting watch.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If everyone clusters in the same hole, however nice, there will still be colorrevolution tards. Them's the brakes.
BingoBoingo: MP's informative tour writeups suggest all the world is mostly populated by tards of some sort.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 2 years ago I was in the zone. Now I am out of the zone in an area populated by one kind of tard.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i won't repeat again, to keep up snr, but get outta there while you can. the atmosphere already eating you at the edges.
asciilifeform: the BingoBoingo of 2y ago would not have said this, tho !
BingoBoingo: The last thing I want to do is pick a spot on the globe and go there with even less of idea of "Wat do" than was present when I picked Uruguay.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty interesting thread tho, aint it ? we make 2y of isp from a crumpled wad mp threw in the trash, and we're all 'autistic castrato bois'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Picking a coordinate on a timeline spec'd with "as soon as" seems like a rush if the circumstances aren't forcing it.
asciilifeform: and ~there~ can look for work.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll listen, but imho you oughta pick a coordinate from mp's globe and take that evacuation, as soon as the reactor's properly quenched.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 09:44:43 mp_en_viaje: if i had to guess, my guess as to your best course atm would be to try and find an on-site dc tech job somewhere. pretty much no matter where, just as long as it's genuine work rather than makework wank.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943274 << Once the fires and tamped down, I can start a search along these lines.
asciilifeform: there'll be a BingoBoingo-shaped shell.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but not 'next year' or there'll be no one to evacuate, BingoBoingo .
BingoBoingo: But, the day to get out of Uruguay is not today, or tomorrow, or this week.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: eventually will come the day when the behaviour of e.g. the latech people, seems ~normal~ to BingoBoingo .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ftr i think he's right, and you gotta get out if you want to keep yer head. the radiation will getcha.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'll go to the mercado, establish the floor for auctionbot . seems elementary.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's not an auction thing. It's a classified ad thing. If we want to do both we'll probably have to auctionbot with a floor, then give them some time on OrcadoLibre, then when patience or reason runs out second auction on auctionbot is what I'm thinking.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there, and in parallel w/ proper auction on auctionbot .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 08:17:56 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942824 << really ?! whenever i needed something there, it was either at a premium on their local shitlist (mercado something) or else (more commonly) not even available, had to be courriered in.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943166 << The local MercadoAmaBay thing is probably going to take time but have the best chance at getting value out of servers.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:49:19 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943057 << what's the use of a dc that far ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:33:12 mp_en_viaje: check it out, the pompous donothings, here we sit like it's 2011 still and herpy derp's good enough, say two hail marys and al will work out.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943263 << check it out, asciilifeform is 'pompous do-nothing', and not the fella on a 9mo vacation who never so much as tied shoes with own hands
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 08:08:48 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ?
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943154 << All together 100 kg +/- 20% sounds about right
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:28:29 mp_en_viaje: first, make some real world shit work. then, MAYBE. though, honestly, i'd much rather have bitcoin work done by other people, while you spend the rest of your lives seling aluminum siding door to door and eating a machine sandwich each other day.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943258 << so , sack erryone, bring in these mythical 'other people' , why wait ? why mp surrounds himself with 'retarded bois' ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943254 << i dun get it, do you want the item properly completed or not ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:09:35 mp_en_viaje: attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:18:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:41:05 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942860 << the ~pub~keys ?
asciilifeform: if he stays there, will break also.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:22:37 mp_en_viaje: i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943177 << the 'master attourney' who mp billed as 'will use gpg' but never heard of any such thing ? him ? yes i'ma pay what mp billed for this 'service' .
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:24:19 mp_en_viaje: just how, HOW the fuck does the noggin work on your shoulders, dude ? you think paying a coupla grand a month for dc pipe is maxint while you think dc hardware you carried through customs at great expense and is locally irreplaceable has no resale value, you think lawyers will be cheap while you don't pay lawyers that were cheap, you think lawyers could help you but lawyers with proven track record of helping you
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943178 << it ~could~ have resale value, and i dun particularly care ~where~ sold. this is last step of the disassembly, to be done only after the data recoveries, refunds, evacuations .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:08:07 asciilifeform: mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo .
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:08:08 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943154 << errything i personally carried summed to 100kg (and in fact weighed.) but no i did not order BB to disconnect the installed customers so that i could weigh'em
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:02:43 mp_en_viaje: the true disadvantage of old age is that the spring outside's never the spring you befriended, and knew.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943147 << mp achieves what aristotel could not : overpowering fundamental contempt for not only physical labour, but intellectual ( of anyone other than mp's , naturally. newton -- autistic fucktard!1 thinking -- aint thinking, but 'autistic spin' unless done by mp over weapons-grade coffee in vienna on table made of three gurlz , etc )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:27:16 asciilifeform: in piz tower pushed what looked like button in the lift, it fell N stories down, and hole -- razor-sharp
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943118 << this actually happened as described. actually bloodied the 'button' hole. and had to hunt for disinfectant in the orc shops.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:26:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like 9000x greater concern for their (indeed mirror-smooth, i nearly slipped on it) marble floor , than for working dc!!
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:07:57 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942670 << because http://trilema.com/2011/webfactor-procedurile-si-idiotenia/ ; and because many numerous such detailed in detail back when i wrote in romanian. things might've changed in the intervening years, though i do not have any faith in the tards. seems the only true capacity of the romanian is for the above "ima just sit here doing what i'm doing and wait
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943101 << the heathen dc q imho resolves to 'best horses in glue factory'. so far seems 100% tards. nao, which tard do you want to do biz with ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 09:50:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 09:40:42 mp_en_viaje: what value does it generate ? is it a good deal for nsa, to trade half a bitcoin for a coupla used dc machines, even leaving aside how these eminently constitute what asciilifeform knows to be called "surplus", through the process he oft described in logs of buying stuff for pennies ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943075 << seems like mp intends on answering this q solely from own head. ( and relatedly asciilifeform would like to establish whether asciilifeform is , in eyes of mp, a human, or a tin soldier . )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:53:16 asciilifeform: snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back .
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 09:33:28 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942134 << thinking of this, on one hand i dislike the informalism. it's not "mp will accept these back", s.nsa is an actual person, exactly as much as you are, and doesn;t suddenly dissolve just because you don't particularly like the way things played out. the whole story of "oh, do X or you'll die" was, throughout, backed by exactly this backstop. this is the pip
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:23:54 mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"
mp_en_viaje: but yes, obviously w'ere losing a window. having to start from scratch years later means we're starting in a more hostile enviroment, of course the internet is closing up etc.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943057 << what's the use of a dc that far ?
mp_en_viaje: if i had to guess, my guess as to your best course atm would be to try and find an on-site dc tech job somewhere. pretty much no matter where, just as long as it's genuine work rather than makework wank.
mp_en_viaje: good skill/personality fit to the demands, well paid in demand job, you could prolly excel at it.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942998 << sadly it didn't pan out ; i still believe this is probably the absolute best path for you.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 23:20:36 trinque: if indeed we're scuttling piz, BingoBoingo may have the hardware I sent on bv's run as a gift.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942989 << hopefully to slam against head periodically, like the monk procession in ye olde days apud monthy python.
mp_en_viaje: wouldn't survive all of ten minutes in your golum hands, of course, to everyone;s great sadness. but while it stands it won't permit the idiocy.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 22:29:55 asciilifeform: but imho if actually maintaining the proggy dun come 1st, then what may end with is item resembling the pseudofoundation, which has lengthy tentacles but 0 grasp of the orig. item (not even enuff grasp to do seriously complex evil, for the most part.)
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942970 << exactly zero chance of that (not that you're not trying to recreate the power ranger ecosystem in your own likeness), because the structure's correctly set.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 22:19:47 mod6: And mentioned that if he wants to, he can stop by for a nomination to the co-chair.
mp_en_viaje: check it out, the pompous donothings, here we sit like it's 2011 still and herpy derp's good enough, say two hail marys and al will work out.
mp_en_viaje: it's not "i can't do my job, therefore i have more important things to do". there's no fucking refuge available in hallucinaria, "more important" things you self-declare yourself apt for.
mp_en_viaje: first, make some real world shit work. then, MAYBE. though, honestly, i'd much rather have bitcoin work done by other people, while you spend the rest of your lives seling aluminum siding door to door and eating a machine sandwich each other day.
mp_en_viaje: it works just the fuck fine, and i wouldn't have a buncha morons that can't get a biplane off the ground touch it in any case.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942924 << i'm glad to hear you've gained ~nothing for this experience, either.
mp_en_viaje: if the church not ever built, they can nicely decorate your underbed o w/e, it's been done before.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:34 mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.
mp_en_viaje: erryone got some figurines to paint in the den.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile the MOMENT something buds, it's not even actually waited until it buds, just as soon as it's NAMED -- whopeee, everyone's happily checked out again, flipped off the switch, their work here's done, let the name and inertia carry on through the ages.
mp_en_viaje: sure, anytime someone;s ready to do some useful shit there's a shitton of useful shit that's needed.