mircea_popescu: notrly. that's kinda the problem, lotta good stuff kinda-related, but there was one specific fucking item.
mircea_popescu: and now i can't fucking find the core reference of this discussion, whether it was on trilema or in the log i don't remember, but it examined how would i have evaluated the eventual utility of $item at early stage, and made the point indeed very well.
mircea_popescu: and in general, the cockcages are optional, even if misrepresented as mandatory by mommy.
mircea_popescu: it is not written upon reality that it must endure forever, let it mind it's own fucking affairs and endure if it has the mettle ; nor was any penguin born with a certified license to eternal life. let them learn how to forge and fire cannon or let them get the fuck off the evolutionary tree.
mircea_popescu: also, if nuclear weapons ended the world in 1970 ~good for them~, and if the supercollider "ended reality" in the 2010s (as various imbeciles proposed as a valid reason "not to do it" all over the oh-so-useful-and-valuable "science press"), GOOD FOR IT.
mircea_popescu: now, it's evident where this misrepresentation of intellectual process comes from -- the inept notion of caregivers kid should be "responsible". kid shouldn't be nor is responsible in that sense ; if one of my girls sets the house on fire through unforeseen effect of reasonable application of item, she may feel guilty as a residual side effect of the sexual abuse her parents and broader society put her through, but she won't
mircea_popescu: and the issue repeats with questions, "i don't know what question to ask such that the response puts me in full control of everything" is not a valid mapping for "i don't know what questions to ask". you've seen me n times ask questions ~about the thing~, ie, to allow the thing to be illuminated, irrespective of whether they "help" me to anything. cuz i don't care about myself ~in this sense~. i care about myself in the other
mircea_popescu: by forcing an answer to a question you're not in a position to answer ("is this useful y/n") you end up baking incorrectness into your tree, which then can be relied on by further incorrectness coming down the line for support.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839
mircea_popescu: -the-importance-of-blogging/ or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760915 or otherwise in the log. "how can you predict what will be useful TO YOURSELF in a few years ? let alone to others, today or later ?"
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 14:26 spyked: but as it is, I could only ask stupid questions such as "what's wrong with modelling this using petri nets". or any other simpler method.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796242 << this is a problem of how you phrase your questions. see, the fundamental, and apparently enduring, cockroach here is that you have an "in-control" mental model you won't diverge from, and it is disabling for your mental process in the following way : you judge "you can't contribute" arbitrarily, and damagingly, in the exact sense contemplated in http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:39 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796166 <<< I think the time for grace has passed, and if it isn't clear enough already I won't be wasting anymore time participating in Republican affairs since obviously I have nothing else to contribute. I did, in fact, offer to help you add the gribble functions to your bot or share my version of the plugins (Which incidentally, don't require any of the stuff you
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796224 << a, really ? well best of luck to you then!
mircea_popescu: trade wars, dood, the first step of "governments" coming to terms with malthusian shock (also known as "when the ideology of abundance runs ashore on the jagged rocks of reality")
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:07 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796067 <-- grrr, I lack too many includes to engage in a proper discussion on this. and sifting through the papers puts me into a rabbit hole of deeper and deeper includes and, frustratingly, unresolved medicine tactics. and I've wandered through such rabbit holes for the last 4 years.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796216 << the whole thing is phrased as "asking questions". one can never be in a rabbit hole so deep they can't ask questions. it's not your job to make any determination, so why stress.
mircea_popescu: the problem for them is that i now have a pill for that, and http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/ ie, not taking any fucking prisoners nor negotiating with idiots. so...
mircea_popescu: moreover, the "hashrate" bullshit, besides being false, is also specifically engineered to follow a certain hope of imperial survival, the supposed "network effect", ie http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-109.0-113.830
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 08:11 avgjoe: Basically segwit it could be reprhased as the "i'm a good politician that will enforce the ---good--- policy but to enforce this i'll need to take some of your sovereignty (keys), but bear with me, hashrate is gonna protect you"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796214 << yes, except for the part where "hashrate is gonna protect you". the whole POINT of taking some of the information OUT of the blockchain is to try and reduce the protection of hashrate, and make everyone dependent on protection by non-hashrate. which is WHY this is usg move against bitcoin. i don't need no stinking fuckwit to "help me", and i don't care why he thinks i do. i know wh
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> back when some imbecile went to fake news media rather than coming to qntra, got sent to jail for it, STILL did not admit there exists no media online besides qntra. << AHA the "Reality Winner" http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/
asciilifeform: spyked: this is where the empire shines, really -- they can always muster the brute ox power to make a 'this at least exists' ersatz.
spyked: anyway, I can see mircea_popescu's point re "but unlike gossipd, this broken implementation exists!". but unlike, say, Bitcoin, which, broken implementations or not, I can understand by going to the sources, this I can't, at least not without getting myself deep into the slime pit.
spyked: asciilifeform, indeed. I inevitably got reminded of the noise thread when stumbling upon: "WireGuard, the secure network tunnel, uses an interesting Diffie-Hellman authenticated key exchange protocol based on NoiseIK, [...]". so. yeah, "interesting" indeed.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796228 << shinohai -- what's the plan, 'i'ma switch off my bot, they will see, will SEE, how necessary i was!11' or wat.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 12:07 asciilifeform: the 'noise protocol' link is hilarious -- even features the classic leper's bell of nsa committee , the null-cipher
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 12:02 asciilifeform: the other lul in the 'noise protocol' is the use of symmetric ciphers
asciilifeform: spyked: the authors of these wonders, have very other goals in mind than to help you understand. quite the opposite.
spyked: but as it is, I could only ask stupid questions such as "what's wrong with modelling this using petri nets". or any other simpler method.
spyked: aha. I would add that I for one would gladly read even informal, less rigorous proofs, provided they helped me understand the protocol and the underlying knowledge. also am ok with "this automated thing is the mobility aid we use for the brain, and it works this way"; (and ftr, I looked over the tamarin and got stuck "symbolic model" and other obscure terms).
asciilifeform: the premier peddlers of this type of snake oil 'commercially' (i.e. fattened on lavish usg contracts) are the cryptol people. they've spawned, unsurprisingly, shoddy imitators.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:14 spyked: etc. otherwise this all looks like word salad.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:14 spyked: anyway, I'd be happy to read a version of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796038 (or better yet, a blog post/series) that explicitly references or otherwise explains all the priors and provides an actual proof, not just "we model this in tamarin, gtfo, install it and read the proof it generates". I want to be able to find out precisely what "symbolic reasoning/analysis" means in their universe, wtf is a "message deduction theory"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796218 << if the usg claptrap scaffolding were removed, the whole thing would vanish, like a toy balloon with skin peeled away. there'd be no 'product'.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:07 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796067 <-- grrr, I lack too many includes to engage in a proper discussion on this. and sifting through the papers puts me into a rabbit hole of deeper and deeper includes and, frustratingly, unresolved medicine tactics. and I've wandered through such rabbit holes for the last 4 years.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796216 << that's because the 'field' is a rat's nest of deliberate, obscurantist claptrap. 'there is no there, there.' can burn considerably more than 4y, it is a bottomless pit -- a kind of mechanized astrology.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 06:07 lobbes: ^ que pasa contigo, shinohai? There's a way to step back gracefully that would preserve your solid reputation, but abandoning your post ain't that way.
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796166 <<< I think the time for grace has passed, and if it isn't clear enough already I won't be wasting anymore time participating in Republican affairs since obviously I have nothing else to contribute. I did, in fact, offer to help you add the gribble functions to your bot or share my version of the plugins (Which incidentally, don't require any of the stuff you
spyked: etc. otherwise this all looks like word salad.
spyked: anyway, I'd be happy to read a version of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796038 (or better yet, a blog post/series) that explicitly references or otherwise explains all the priors and provides an actual proof, not just "we model this in tamarin, gtfo, install it and read the proof it generates". I want to be able to find out precisely what "symbolic reasoning/analysis" means in their universe, wtf is a "message deduction theory"
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 04:16 mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> (on #wireguard) zx2c4 (the owner, j. donenfeld) : if you're willing to set two hours apart on any day of your choosing to answer wireguard questions on #trilema, i'm willing to donate 1 btc to your project. let me know, i'm usually on freenode (this nick). thanks & gl." << asciilifeform spyked whoever else might care.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796067 <-- grrr, I lack too many includes to engage in a proper discussion on this. and sifting through the papers puts me into a rabbit hole of deeper and deeper includes and, frustratingly, unresolved medicine tactics. and I've wandered through such rabbit holes for the last 4 years.
avgjoe: Basically segwit it could be reprhased as the "i'm a good politician that will enforce the ---good--- policy but to enforce this i'll need to take some of your sovereignty (keys), but bear with me, hashrate is gonna protect you"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 17:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the substantial weakness segwit adds to bitcoin chain security is that witout it, one needs the power to unwind the chain AND the keys of old txn to steal bitcoin. whereas with it, one only needs the hash power, as anyone can spend the segwit shit.
avgjoe: thanks for the segwit discussion, i have just looked in the logs for "bech32" and it outputs very little
mircea_popescu: running trb offers a firm guarantee that you will have your coins perpetually. running the various usg-sponsored "i can't believe it's not bitcoin" margerine offers a firm guarantee that a) any time you spend with them will be wasted on a long enough timeline and b) any resources you spend with them will be worthless on a long enough timeline. so bear that in mind.
mircea_popescu: avgjoe there already is a double standard : 1address bitcoin are bitcoin ; everything else is usg-crap.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 03:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795919 << bitcoin addresses come in the form 1x, like say 1NwAjL6CwMHm5S9aeFfmop5VtqBA6aNJRT ; some dorks came up with an "extension". there are fundamental problems with their code, discussed in the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697111 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697118
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a lot for you to read wrt to why specifically segwit is a usg-driven attack against bitcoin, and not supported by the bitcoin foundation. perhaps the recent http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795944 is a good starting point ; but generally the logs are your friends, search them.
avgjoe: so there will never be a double standard with "tier 1 bitcoins" stored in legacy addresses and tier 2 stored in bech addresses, correct?
avgjoe: i suppose that is a noob question, but if someone send me btc from a bech32 address to my trb legacy address, does the node ignore the tx?
mircea_popescu: ignores them.
avgjoe: bech32 addresses, how the node behave?
avgjoe: no, just concerns about investing time setup it and being able to use it in the future
lobbes: yeah, I've heard it is the best
ckang: ah its pretty much the only brand ive stuck with
lobbes: ^ que pasa contigo, shinohai? There's a way to step back gracefully that would preserve your solid reputation, but abandoning your post ain't that way.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 03:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795922 << this is broken in the same way as the subjects of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792556 discussion.
lobbes: I certainly wasn't planning on it being a long-term solution, but I see what you mean. Plus, if I'm burning time anyways on this I may as well just learn some lisp and use the trinquebot. Have an actual republican item out of the effort rather than another pile of stapled dildos >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796013
mircea_popescu adds "Gwenhwyfar ferch Ogrfan Gawr drwg yn fechan, gwaeth yn fawr." to the public record, now we even have welsh rhyming slang in here!
mircea_popescu: this expectation that "if i go out to clubs enough, eventually i'll meet guyneviere" is fundamentally broken -- the slut's dead.
mircea_popescu: the anything is not a correct symbol. it's an approximation, and it only holds up in domains of little interest.
ckang: and with enough resources and time (similar to the brute-forcing), anything can come up
mircea_popescu: generally, more thought is given to the design of airplane cockpits than of women's shoes, notwithstanding more women wear shoes than fly airplanes.
mircea_popescu: ckang why do you expect the usercount makes a difference ?
ckang: which is also a blessing because the government probably hasn't researched how to break it either
mircea_popescu: le to claim, "we don't know how," since WireGuard makes it so easy. So, they hired me for a day to develop and open source a small solution for their unique use case and odd scenario." for lulz.
mircea_popescu: "It turns out that this strength might actually be a weakness for some. A small commercial VPN provider approached me recently about the fact they could see the allowed IPs mapping easily with WireGuard, whereas with OpenVPN it was hidden deep inside a process they didn't know how to debug. "Great," I thought. Not so fast. They were concerned that when compelled to retrieve this kind of information, they would no longer be ab
ckang: it increases the surface area
ckang: i just thought it was interesting for them to code protection in for such things
ckang: but that could be because theres not large adoption of it
ckang: there hasnt really been anything major in terms of flaws I could find.
ckang: but rather a concern people had
ckang: oh theres an interesting read regarding its security flaw, operators. https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2017-November/001969.html
ckang: showing how quickly it will close one tunnel and open up another
mircea_popescu: the only important question in computing is what i end up using anyway. to that standard, what difference could it possibly make.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the displacement takes place in the imagination of the usg chair warmers, naturally. 'we'll cook up this boeckian substitute, no one will have any curiosity re the real thing, when it deigns to show up' being the idea.
ckang: so assuming the applications timeout is set appropriately, its like what mosh is to ssh (wireguard to openvpn)
ckang: you can hop between various towers or APs seamlessly without re-authenticating
ckang: im hoping he finds the resources to get an iOS client done
mircea_popescu: "unprincipledly better" is the argument.
ckang: it is 'better' in same sense as ethereum 'better than' paypal <- so its slightly better than the worst? ;)
mircea_popescu: there's a process we go through here, first the engineers throw a fit, then i pick up the pieces.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796071 << it is 'better' in same sense as ethereum 'better than' paypal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know, but prepare a list of q's for when/if the guy shows up.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 04:11 mircea_popescu: ckang you can read up on all the crypto functions, be they trapdoors or whatever, if you are interested. it's not illegible arcana.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796063 << the most important documents are ~not there~ for him to read : i.e. the wholly-absent proofs of strength for any of the symmetric poppycock
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 04:12 ckang: this is what got me interested, can push a ton more data and with less latency on the same hardware vs. openvpn
asciilifeform: with generous helpings of c pointerolade, opensslism, mathemadturbatorily- squigglymarked pdfolade, tall claims of 'formal verification', etc
ckang: sure thing yea, didn't think to check if they had a channel before
mircea_popescu: ckang feel free to idle there, smooth things over if need be.
ckang: mullvad does offer it and its pretty good through them, I lose about 2Mbit off my top end and and only gain 2ms when pinging 'google.com' (hard to do this test since geography and routing)
ckang: the project has a lot of potential, its just not well known so providers arent selling it to the general masses
mircea_popescu: ckang you know the ancient story of how openbsd got saved from death ? it was eerily similar.
mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> (on #wireguard) zx2c4 (the owner, j. donenfeld) : if you're willing to set two hours apart on any day of your choosing to answer wireguard questions on #trilema, i'm willing to donate 1 btc to your project. let me know, i'm usually on freenode (this nick). thanks & gl." << asciilifeform spyked whoever else might care.
ckang: theres mesh capability but ive not delved into that much yet
ckang: this is what got me interested, can push a ton more data and with less latency on the same hardware vs. openvpn
mircea_popescu: ckang you can read up on all the crypto functions, be they trapdoors or whatever, if you are interested. it's not illegible arcana.
mircea_popescu: the claim is "The following protocols and primitives are used: ChaCha20 for symmetric encryption, authenticated with Poly1305, using RFC7539's AEAD construction; Curve25519 for ECDH; BLAKE2s for hashing and keyed hashing, described in RFC7693; SipHash24 for hashtable keys; HKDF for key derivation, as described in RFC5869"
ckang: ive pushed 2TB though a tunnel before i rebooted the router for updates
ckang: ive been using it for some time and its been super solid, i just didnt know how strong it was from the cryptography side of things
mircea_popescu: o look, there's even a #wireguard
ckang: sure was just curious since it was crypto related and you guys seem to know your stuff there
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem with formal verification is that it's not currently implemented seriously (which is to say -- completely, on small codebases). it's just machines poking at things generally, in an untenable theoretical model.
mircea_popescu: (which goes back to a long held asciilifeform notion, of "mining is a bug" -- certainly, but looky here : mining is also the direct result of "i want a shunt for the bruteforce, so i can say to people, "x is cheaper therefore y won't happen")
mircea_popescu: this is roughly speaking 376440772360506502753317342245835 times the age of our present universe (the big bang having taken place 13.8 or so billion years ago).
mircea_popescu: ckang for an ad-hoc illustration : admitting that you own sunway taihulight (the chinese supercomputer discussed in http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ ), which does something like 9.3 * 10^16 flops ; and admitting you take 1 flop to generate a key (it's more like 150-200 irl, but w/e) and 0 time to check for its correctness, then you could expect a correct guess about once every 51948826585749897379957793229925273575140
mircea_popescu: but, for the expert minds tuned in : ckang 's question does not, as we currently stand, have a published canonical answer i can link him to. if you write it, i will link it next time someone asks.
mircea_popescu: there's also some ecdsa involved, but that's cryptographically less valuable.
mircea_popescu: admitting the merkle-damgard construction (what ripemd is built out of, see http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~bosselae/ripemd160.html ) does not have a backdoor, and that sha256 doesn't have a backdoor, you are looking at something like 256 bits of entropy involved.
ckang: thesis or something
ckang: sounds like a good research paper for some mathematics major ;)
mircea_popescu: the proper formula is : address = ripemd160(sha256(secret)). to go from an address to its corresponding private key (which is what "bruteforce" requires in this context) you'd have to reverse a ripemd160 and a sha256 op.
asciilifeform: 1 caveat re 'brute force needs machine the size of 10^bignum universes running for 10^biggernum yrs' is that it presumes a flat keyspace. whereas if instead you can exclude large chunks ( because, e.g., winblowz rng is known to never output'em , or some other likewise ) ...
mircea_popescu: ckang here's the basic likbez : a bitcoin address (which is what keeps funds) is built out of a chaining of crypto functions : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/images/en/thumb/4/48/Address_map.jpg/700px-Address_map.jpg
ckang: that just show the magnitude of something
ckang: the scaling comparisons i like for some reason
mircea_popescu: ckang it's one of the things people do for their own satisfaction, but your question isn't without marrow. let's see here...
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 18:39 mircea_popescu: lobbes the only important consideration here is that design is not a haphazard activity driven by occurence and circumstance. that's implementation. design is a deductive activity, it proceeds from first principles and does not break faith.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 01:20 lobbes: speed of implementation really (I got other tmsr irons in fire). I figured I could get a tickerbot up and running quicker just using a gribble instance >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795728
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795922 << this is broken in the same way as the subjects of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792556 discussion.
mircea_popescu: ckang the timescale involved in bruteforcing a bitcoin address exceeds the computable capacity of an alternate universe in which every single atom extant would be part of an ideal processor working at it.
mircea_popescu: ckang the idea isn't you bruteforce it, the idea is that in between world A, where 100 people living have 1 btc each, and world A', where 99 people living and 1 person dead have 1 bitcoin each, is that the apparent value of the bitcoin will be 101% in A` vs A.
ckang: has there been any studies done on that?
ckang: or could rather
mircea_popescu: but whether this properly means you have taken it or you haven't taken it is very much an open question of metaphysics, "what is the meaning of taking".
mircea_popescu: technically bitcoin you can't take to grave either, the passive result of dead keys is a slight increase in the value of circulating bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: it's a xtian thing, "gospel by matthew". here : https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A19-34&version=NIV
ckang: i just know that they are christian
ckang: im not well read in theology by any means
mircea_popescu: as in, the xtian sect.
mircea_popescu: really ? it's the cornerstone of "protestant" ideology.
mircea_popescu: quite a lulzy implementation of the whole "do not build yourself perishable treasures" meme.
mircea_popescu: the fantasy the empire is living is that "nobody can be poor enough to starve". the only meaning of which is, "nobody can have any incentive to hold anything besides bitcoin".
mircea_popescu: because teh bitcoin ain't going anywhere, the "judge" can hold his breath until he's done dicking about.
mircea_popescu: consider a simple example : you get divorced. or arrested. or "suspected" of "crime". what's the real estate you "owned" worth now ?
mircea_popescu: ckang amusingly, selling us based real estate on the market and buying bitcoin at 20k is not actually a bad deal. even with bitcoin at 7k now.
mircea_popescu: did they manage to get a budget yet ?
mircea_popescu: for all practical purposes money is now outside of the control of fiat pretend-sovereigns.
mircea_popescu: hey, i moved enough paper money into argentina to ruin its government a few years ago. they can worry until they fucking fall over for all the good it's gonna do them.
ckang: who would tell their cpa about crypto holdings anyways lol
ckang: im sure places like coinbase are going to be the the more important things they would worry about
mircea_popescu: it's still on my fucking liver, that episode. so whistleblower goes to "media", they publish her fucking pdfs with the yellow dots untouched, she gets sent to jail, at which point the ENTIRE fucking faux establishment somehow still does not end. how thje fuck!
ckang: mircea_popescu: yea hes a sharp guy but i dont want to pressure him into anything uncomfortable, him mentioning it though was the first i heard of these letters being mass mailed
mircea_popescu: back when some imbecile went to fake news media rather than coming to qntra, got sent to jail for it, STILL did not admit there exists no media online besides qntra.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 01:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do we have the famous pdf unicorn-coconut or whatever took to the inept competition instead of bringing to qntra, resulting in a jail term for her ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure this is in full alignment with current paper usg.law -- recall, they stripped away immunities from shrinks, priests, wives, etc. why not also cpa.
mircea_popescu: "god doesn't beat with the stick".
ckang: well he said he would be down to do it but he wanted to make sure it went to other CPAs also
mircea_popescu: (do make a blog. it's an immensely important anchor for your online identity and the power you build on it)
mircea_popescu: usg has laws in the sense any bully has principles.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 15:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was also that hellvig lawsuit (which afaik went exactly the same place all other "rule of law" challenges to notes-from-stalin ever went)
mircea_popescu: illegal as all fuck, but then again http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794697 and all that.
mircea_popescu: there's this pattern in usg attempts to subvert bitcoin, as discussed in that thread and generally in the logs ; it's "success" depends on the ignorance of the userbase, which is what separates very sharply the bitcoin "users" into republican and imperial sets. the latter have some dust and reddit.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 17:52 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the substantial weakness segwit adds to bitcoin chain security is that witout it, one needs the power to unwind the chain AND the keys of old txn to steal bitcoin. whereas with it, one only needs the hash power, as anyone can spend the segwit shit.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 17:49 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and block depth. if you make segwit tx a to me at height 1 and i put it into a normal tx at block 2, i can spend it from block 3 as my bitcoin, the segwitnmess is gone out of it. to steal it from me, one has to rewind all the way to block 1 again. which is possible, but expensive as the chain builds.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 00:33 ckang: trinque: btw, is there a correct and incorrect way to make an address?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795919 << bitcoin addresses come in the form 1x, like say 1NwAjL6CwMHm5S9aeFfmop5VtqBA6aNJRT ; some dorks came up with an "extension". there are fundamental problems with their code, discussed in the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697111 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697118
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, girls going to college to meet the sort of guy that goes to college is a time and space invariant. true in egypt today as it was true in romania 50 years ago as it was true in the us since inception.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 23:57 ckang: theres also plenty of girls that just go to school to meet a husband, which hey, more power to you i suppose.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795917 << actually, the college standard for middle-class kids throughout the 90s and maybe a short sliver of the 00s was kinda BingoBoingo 's experience : "they gave me all this money to leave parents' house, ima... drink it / smoke it". it came to an end, of course, nohope.jpg now, but it's what it was for a while there. i know n examples.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 23:53 trinque: man I dated a bartender slut once that kept cash gangster rolls under the bed
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 23:52 ckang: trinque: i dont think many of these girls have a long term mindset as far as investing goes, mostly college students or do menial low paying work
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795909 << i know, i know. kinda expected. still... gotta say something to them, whether they follow or not the wise words of the elders is what distinguishes the talented from the mediocre in any generation, isn't it.
mircea_popescu: 2018, the year i'ma be overwhelmed.
douchebag: Girls are wondering if they wanna show tits
lobbes: buut, the lack of 'root' access and my general inexperience with non-debian linuxen is throwing me for a loop. Though, suprisingly to me, it is the former rather than the latter that is throwing me the farthest (I've kinda been enjoying building shit from source).
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 20:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795655 << why aren;t you running the trinquebot ?
lobbes: speed of implementation really (I got other tmsr irons in fire). I figured I could get a tickerbot up and running quicker just using a gribble instance >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795728
douchebag: yeah ill tell them
ckang: trinque: btw, is there a correct and incorrect way to make an address?
ckang: theres also plenty of girls that just go to school to meet a husband, which hey, more power to you i suppose.
ckang: dude ya, bartenders in the right town can do real well
trinque: man I dated a bartender slut once that kept cash gangster rolls under the bed
ckang: trinque: i dont think many of these girls have a long term mindset as far as investing goes, mostly college students or do menial low paying work
trinque: also wasn't there a report on trb dependencies coming?
trinque: douchebag: I guess I scared cassidy3 off, lol. I ran these; tell the next batch to generate proper addresses, or better yet, to leave the coin on deedbot.
spyked: and ftr, linux kernel could report whether the trigger was a read, write or exec op, but for some unknown reason doesn't.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 21:21 asciilifeform: ( the operative text, so that nobody else is stuck sifting through that pile o' rubbish : ' hexchat[30394]: segfault at 7f0ca6862199 ip 00007f0ca67a5993 sp 00007ffd83fab310 error 4 in libpcre.so.3.13.3[7f0ca678b000+70000] ' )
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795806 <-- yeah, it doesn't look like nullptr deref. segfault addr looks somewhat close to ip, so on a first glance it would look like they tried to hijack rip and tripped a non-executable page. but can't tell for sure without a pmap or something similar.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-09 18:04 asciilifeform: regex belongs in the tool chest next to 'duct tape'.
asciilifeform: ( and , consider, why the everliving fuck is a re parser need to live in a irctron ?! )
asciilifeform: it's equiv of 'winamp playlist' of 0day, rather than 0day
asciilifeform: so to reproduce, would have to know the trigger
asciilifeform: douchebag: incidentally the hinted item gives 0 way to reproduce -- it dun say where the lib was loaded in memory
douchebag: asciilifeform: The guy who created it said he's working on a proof of concept
trinque: cassidy3: in here your recourse if I steal your money is to tarnish the reputation held on deedbot that to date says I've stolen from no one. out there, what, sue?
ben_vulpes: cassidy3: just never never never lose the gpg key you registered
ben_vulpes: far more trustworthy than "localbitcoins", i mean who are they anyways, and "electrum", same q.
mircea_popescu: cassidy3 if you're not desperate for money, keeping it may pay off ; and if you are desperate for money it might be the last thing to sell. think family jewels.
phf: mircea_popescu: of course, that's usg pseudo-wot that's maintained through all the ways that we laugh about here
ben_vulpes: anyways cassidy3 you can leave your btc with deedbot, trinque operates it and he is a knight of the realm
mircea_popescu: phf but they have $randomwebsite ?!
ben_vulpes: but not in the guiboxen!
asciilifeform: whether in library or not
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes of course they do ? !!balance , !!ledger etc
trinque: ben_vulpes: sure they do, !!balance
asciilifeform: and then dmesg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and then ./demo
asciilifeform: and then : yasm -f elf64 -g null demo.asm && ld demo.o -o demo
ben_vulpes: cassidy3: if you select "all data" you can give yourself the "what color is your lamborghini" tingles
ben_vulpes: the dropdown under "time period" will be useful
cassidy3: how often does the price change?
trinque: there's a wallet service sitting right here, if they're just going to hold them on some website.
douchebag: ive been telling them to use electrum or localbitcoins since a lot of them just ask for paypal
mircea_popescu: douchebag mind finding a webwallet that does proper addresses for the girls ? none of that 3 bs.
ben_vulpes: trinque: i think the 3 is 'segwit'
mircea_popescu: there's almost nothing you can buy for bitcoin that will be worth more than the bitcoin in the medium term.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795816 << consider the case of this guy : http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/
trinque: douchebag: if you just whip them through here without teaching them a damned thing, what's the point. I can go in the other room and see tits.
trinque: cassidy3: what wallet are you using? all of the withdrawals I have here are for 3 addresses, which leads me to believe you're using some "multisig" webshit as a wallet.
mircea_popescu: because some guy in there was complaining of what it also looked to me like : "you demonstrated program can corrupt its own heap"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of the cited examples are 'error 4' i.e. nullptr deref
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's my understanding that segfaults reported by the runtime in libraries are not customarily items that actually occuredf there, but merely were caught there incorrect ?
asciilifeform: trinque: didjaknow, at one time they gave out btc to a buncha starving sad folx, and ~0 of'em kept it. this was, of course, '90s ru
ben_vulpes: i prefer the conspiracy theory that douchebag has the fiverr hustle down: 20 bucks to show up and show your tits!
asciilifeform: ( the operative text, so that nobody else is stuck sifting through that pile o' rubbish : ' hexchat[30394]: segfault at 7f0ca6862199 ip 00007f0ca67a5993 sp 00007ffd83fab310 error 4 in libpcre.so.3.13.3[7f0ca678b000+70000] ' )
trinque: I got it; douchebag's endless well of women sprung while I was doing surgery to the airgap box.
BingoBoingo: Well, only one way to find out if the city doesn't have and that way is sightseeing
phf: "second container is lathe"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's a guarantee you will get to see some of the city
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: blasting off the next thurs. early am.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's even more annoying than the "door holding" behaviours of autistic kids.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> pedestrians are accustomed to cars stopping for them everywhere, wtf. << In the sense of myself waiting on the corner to cross a street and... drivers fuck up traffic trying to wave me across when their stopping does nothing for cars heading the other direction
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dunno how much sight-seeing i will get in; long list of things to do in the cage
mircea_popescu: here, pedestrians are also very accustomed to WALKING ALONG THE HIGHWAY, and do not see why they should wear anything besides dark colors at night.
BingoBoingo: I thought maybe after the pizzaro stuff you'd be taking off to Cabo Polonia to view the lobos marinos and nature
mircea_popescu: pedestrians are accustomed to cars stopping for them everywhere, wtf.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i have a car reserved, will ping you from hotel after properly slept << Also probably ought to warn you. The pedestrians are VERY accustomed to cars stopping for them.