Darwin_Fish: 17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Darwin_Fish: 16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For "the two," He says, "shall become one flesh."
Darwin_Fish: Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not!
mircea_popescu: but... listen. isn't this the whole entire proposition of manhood, both biologically and socio-historically, "go ye and make a pile of resources so females may be attracted thereby" ?
Darwin_Fish: God makes the rules.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, the only thing you can get with a smaller key is "something just as good", in the sense mcdonalds is just as good as the restaurant i go to. perhaps it is -- for the poor. i'm not poor, nor do i orient my life around the needs of the needy.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, no, they're fucking disputable. you're going to tell me you get "the same thing" but "with a smaller key" ? i'm tuning out, this is nonsense.
Darwin_Fish: Yes, But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Rev 21:8 NKJ)
zx2c4: claim, if that's the one you're implying
zx2c4: all of them? some of the advantages are indisputable like key size and computation speed and implementation ease. im guessing you dont believe there's a security advantage over RSA? you're not soothed by the fact that many attacks against RSA dont work with ECC? okay, but that still doesn't discredit the indisputable advantages. so then maybe your position is that ECC has _weaker_ security than RSA for various reasons? that'd be a more interesting
Darwin_Fish: Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot, lest the land fall into harlotry, and the land become full of wickedness. (Lev 19:29 NKJ)
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, what is the problem with prostitution ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, i don't buy into the advantages.
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, prostitution is legal here (costa rica). are they all going to hell ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, given like that for the sake of ready computability, see. nothing more.
zx2c4: sha256 isnt an encryption function. also beware this construction, especially the second one where the string comes last -- length extension is a problem with sha2
Darwin_Fish: He faults me for being involved in the Ron Paul movement
Darwin_Fish: I had hoped to bring him back in the church, but now he hates my guts
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, isn't it silly, to ruin a long standing relationship like that, over what was in the end a small error ?
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: the more interesting approach to foiling that kind of traffic analysis is the general topic of mixnets
mircea_popescu: but how do you know what he thought ? "the devil himself knows not the tought of man" etc.
Darwin_Fish: thus "creating" debt to the gov
Darwin_Fish: He thought he was going to owe the gov thousands of dollars
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, the idea being that the "wtf are you going to do, keep talking forever with anyone you ever talk to ?! morons!" problem is not unknown, but a major item giving me a bellyache as it stands now. invariants, god damn them all.
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, so basically he ran up the church / your ccs, and eventually it had to come to an end ?
zx2c4: oh, the most serene acronym, shoulda known
Darwin_Fish: Owe no one anything except to love one another, (Rom 13:8 NKJ)
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, tmsr, the most serene republic, this thing. gossipd, lessee.... there's http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/ and http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gossipd and not much else. it's vaporware for now.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: and i think having that kind of thing always on -- constant chattiness -- would be a security step backwards, since it'd give up stealthiness. but of course if you still wanted it for a special use case, there's nothing in wireguard preventing you from having it pretty easily
Darwin_Fish: But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner-- not even to eat with such a person. (1Co 5:11 NKJ)
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, yeah. have you seen anything re gossipd, ~speaking the tmsr-wireguard ?
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: wireguard isnt a library. its a virtual network interface that tunnels ip packets. what im pointing out is that your suggestion implies that both sides must _keep_ talking always, since thats the only way to obscure termination messages.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, honestly, i'm satisfied with this for an answer "look, wireguard can be used many ways, nothing wrong with your way, and it's supported, but in general other people want other things and so there it is".
Darwin_Fish: upholding all things by the word of His power, (Heb 1:3 NKJ)
Darwin_Fish: For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. (Col 1:16 NKJ)
Darwin_Fish: He is the answer to every why
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, so is your idea that basically this should be handled by the app importing your lib, rather than the lib itself, more flexibility this way ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, i don't mean random (20,200). i just mean, the size of your smallest non-zero packet. was it 8 or what was it ?
mircea_popescu: WHY the fuck does rsa even work >:
zx2c4: intervals relative to the amount of existing traffic. i wouldnt be surprised if something like this already exists.
zx2c4: on that, instead preferring to be "stealthy" and "silent" when not in use. this naturally reveals when communications happen, but it also makes the endpoints undiscoverable when theyre not talking. also, it'd be easy to build that kind of 'always chatting' logic into whatever specific application you need to conceal. or, alternatively, simply write an additional utility that sits on top of wireguard that sends junk back and forth at quasi random
zx2c4: otherwords, an attacker still knows that the protocol has gone silent, because one side will stop responding. it sounds to me like what you would prefer is for both sides always to be talking and chatting -- always, and with garbage when not with real data -- to trip of traffic analysis. that's a legitimate desire, and there are many other additional things can add to protocols to further trip up traffic analysis. wireguard distinctly isn't focused
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: if what you mean is rather than sending an empty packet, i should instead rand(20,200) zero bytes encrypted, then i wonder what this would accomplish. the other side now receives this. if it's a keepalive message (which it knows after decryption), then it goes silent. if it's not, then it either responds with whatever is appropriate to respond to that, or if it has nothing to say, it would have to send a keepalive too. in
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, and that is the substance of my proposition earlier. there is no place known to me where the most refined and annoying whys can be stated quite like in this field.
trinque dusts off the cobwebs in that wing of his skull
trinque: "knock and the door shall be opened" eh?
mircea_popescu: eventually they give up, mostly because adults are TERRIBLE at answering why ; and also because they get distraught, and the children dun wanna bother them. so it gets rubbed out.
mircea_popescu: yes. but i propose to you the instrument thereby is the infantile tendency to question "why ?". that's what they fucking do, all day long, at least the brighter ones.
Darwin_Fish: in their hearts
Darwin_Fish: God makes Himself known to every human on the planet
Darwin_Fish: That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world. (Joh 1:9 NKJ)
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, good. so what would you say is the fundamental thing in children that eventually, but necessarily, leads them to at the very least question the possibility of divinity, if not outright seek it ?
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, anyway, theology is the study of divinity as a theoretical possibility ; religion is the study of historical human practice. the catholics resolve this problem by claiming (falsely) that they were specifically promised god will preserve their religion in theology. this claim has all the strength of their claim constantine deeded them the world.
Darwin_Fish: For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, (Rom 1:20 NKJ)
zx2c4: the time?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, but the option isn't exactly "send nothing or send 0 length message". the option is "send nothing / zero length message OR send the time".
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Romans 1:21 :: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Romans 1:20 :: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Romans 1:19 :: Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Romans 1:18 :: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
zx2c4: nothing. alternatively, it sends a bunch of garbage data at random points to trip up traffic analysis. now introduce the wireguard final-confirmation keepalive. one side has nothing more to say, yet it just now received a message from the other side. rather than sending nothing, wireguard now sends a single length 0 message. after that, both sides are entirely silent. what does the sending of that length 0 message reveal that sending nothing would
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: let's take a protocol that just encrypts ip packets and nothing more. traffic analysis of the size of packets gives you something, especially in the case of TCP where there are necessary types of responses at various points. but i suppose you want me to consider "general purpose cases". so im thinking about a raw UDP protocol. in this case, it might be that at the end of an exchange, one side has nothing more to say, and so it says
Darwin_Fish: I consider an atheist religious. But, of course there are plenty of people who say and don't do
mircea_popescu: well, have you ever met a religious dude who didn't SAY, and broadly think, they're following god ?
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, you ever heard that quip, that "in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice ; in practice, there is" ? "theologically, there's no difference between theology and religion. but religiously..."
mircea_popescu: but we're discussing theology not religion. cryptography is eminently not a religion. in fact, i'm the frirst one to have ever said anything remotely like the foregoing, and it's giving crypto people hives just reading it.
mircea_popescu: i'll propose something to you : inasmuch as one is in a better position understanding god for god, rather than understanding god for what some guy said, cryptography is the most direct path to divinity.
mircea_popescu: hi there Darwin_Fish
mircea_popescu: NOTHING however sums to 0, not in reality, becasuse there's no negative integers in reality.
mircea_popescu: if i have a message, which is not null, i can package that message in any string of any arbitrary sized chunklets. so your observing 8+16+24+8+8 does not tell you whether you observed 5 null messages, or a 64 message, or 4 16s, or anything else.
zx2c4: these are broad and hand-wavy. im trying to find some real meat here to analyse
mircea_popescu: whereas the proper definition of "general purpose" is the one mentioned, "which makes no assumptions about the userland".
mircea_popescu: i suppose at work might be a confusion between what-some-idiots-might-be-thinking-retroconstructed-on-the-flimsy-basis-of-how-they-behave, where "general purpose os" means "the sprinkle of magic turning the computer from a computer to anything i want it to be, which is to say a tool that magicvally works for any purpose i might come up with, especially the nonsensical and self-contradictory ones".
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: could you elaborate your argument on why you think the 0 response is different from the 16, 32, 48, etc response? spare me the hand-wavy "its always an invariant!" arguments. can you give some real security analysis of what you have in mind? am willing to take your concern seriously if theres a good case for it
mircea_popescu: then they moved to a non-general purpose os, and alf threw a fit because the thing took time to boot or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the best example i can think of is the code on the old handheld calculators. THAT is a general purpose os : it makes no assumption about the downstream, merely fully, cleanly and directly exposes the hardware.
mircea_popescu: spyked, i don't see how this distinction works. what does "eliminate word from vocabulary" even mean, you'll take out some classes/dependencies/whatever out of a pile of lines of code, leaving a them-shaped hole behind.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 14:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799724 << this is the equivalent of "designing" a caveroom. tell you what : if your approach is substractive, no systems engineering took place. the guy hacking a motorcycle out of two broken cars isn't an industrialist, he's a scavenger. these are fundamentally, and radically, different things.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799833 <-- but! the a, b examples I gave were *not* in any sense subtractive, read again. and by "eliminate" I mean, the words from vocabulary, unlearn them, throw to trash bin (hence "systematically"!), *not* "take monolith and prod it with toothpick"
mircea_popescu: aaaand omfg, caught up with the logs! that... was painless.
mircea_popescu: ftr, i thought your post was quite elegant, 99% of bloggers, begginner or otherwise, would have fallen into the ditch of "oh, i r allmighty powerful deity, i crush your companee!!!" nonsense.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 14:06 danielpbarron: got a message from my former employer that they "Have a service" and were notified of my blog post. hows that for seo? i'm not even trying to game the search
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799742 << you don't have to try. with the company you keep, it does itself.
mircea_popescu: and let's reintroduce the http://trilema.com/technology-and-governance discussion here as well.
ascii_lander: moar with economy of scale (e.g. the impracticality of rolling out a new IC for every new thing)
mircea_popescu: ascii_lander, this is not a problem with modern industry as much as it's a problem with the EXTREME cognitive cost of design.
mircea_popescu: buildings, however, are a very opposite attempt : the dismal resistance of air (and see also un prophete discussion of winds here) and the minimal and well understood constraint of gravity allow enough free space for design to be a thing.
mircea_popescu: as a matter of fact, there's no design in cave rooms : you will dig where the soil [read: resistence of the medium] permits you to dig, and that is all.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 10:05 spyked: then moving from this approach you can systematically eliminate e.g. "pdf library" or e.g. "udev" or e.g. "protected mode" or everything else that is not *needed* for the system, not just userland (if there should be anything such as "a userland" at all in there)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799724 << this is the equivalent of "designing" a caveroom. tell you what : if your approach is substractive, no systems engineering took place. the guy hacking a motorcycle out of two broken cars isn't an industrialist, he's a scavenger. these are fundamentally, and radically, different things.
mircea_popescu: they put pegasus turds in those cups didn';t you know.
ascii_lander: these live in 'starbux'?
mircea_popescu: nah. the line really was for whitehoorse riding prince charmings.
mircea_popescu: it's the "tourism" "modern democracy" etc idiocy.
mircea_popescu: ascii_lander, there has yet not existed such a system where the top wasn't leisurely. the "leisure / no leisure" discussion contrasts "leisure for all" with "leisure for some"
mircea_popescu: leisure is a precondition for the many aspect of civilisation whereby woman sits on ass all day yakking annoyingly.
mircea_popescu: well, hunger. the usa has perfected the shit sandwich to the point nobody is ever hungry. as a result... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798480
ascii_lander: and the reason, i suspect, is that in usa the young gurlz are trying to 'become clitler'
mircea_popescu: so, if your desert march results in a jewel of code, a la ffa, sure. if your desert march results in ample "lulz" as we call them, ie, intricate, unforgiving documentation of orcs' idiocy, sure.
mircea_popescu: the one where he has a lot of fun / sees a lot of things / is all impressed / tastes all the tomatoes IS NOT useful.
mircea_popescu: and more generally : there's two kinds of sallies a gentleman may engage in. the one is where he comes back with a boatload of gold/tomatoes/whatever. the other is where he comes bacl with a well written tale of his travels.
ascii_lander: mod6: it really doesn't hurt to 'piss on the electric fence yourself' and see what i meant.
mircea_popescu: if you just keep the results in your skull, it's better to not go.
mircea_popescu: understand the important point here : such marches in the desert are ONLY useful if well documented.
mircea_popescu: mod6, i could have saved you the time, i guess, but then again IF you publish a detailed discussion then we have that.
ascii_lander: mod6: i tried to do this at one point, ended up burning it all in disgust, and wrote shiva ( which then i sadly abandoned for reasons amply discussed in log )
mod6: Of course, we have other tasks such as re-doing wallet, how we dump all keys from wallet, and others. Just thought I'd venture in and see what was what.
mircea_popescu: mod6, a reimplementation was always the idea, yeh.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799719 <<< ahahahaha. what is this, like the bzzzzzt--rppppptkkkchhh of 2018 ?
mod6: In other tales from the TRB: I spent a solid chunk of time this weekend trying to backport all of the rpc rawtx functions from upstream prb. Just to see if it was workable, and an educational endevour. This is not going to be a thing. They change tons of baseclasses and introduce a variety of new ones. Going forward, I think these will just be reimplmented in a trb-fashion.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 01:40 BingoBoingo: So, I don't want to spoil alf adventures in Uruguay, but... He loves the cheese here
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1799708 << it wasn;t bad. i hope he's treating you to the expensive stuff.
mircea_popescu: "so in which sense is it a taj mahal then ?" "they say so. that gotta count for something, beyond any consideration of form or substance" "notrly" "TERRORIST!"
mircea_popescu: sorta like a taj mahal made out of pet bottles in the approximate shape of clinton's nose.
mircea_popescu: such a credible effort, that shitpile. imo ethereum is very useful in the following sense : it shows EXACTLY what bitcoin'd have been like if it occured to the ustards.
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: i read it, it was a snoar, ethertards doing their 'unhappen this eggog, unlose some shitcoin' thing again.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799694 << im not gonna read that, not just because github is on the dark web, but also because jesus christ the livejournal. if anyone wants to summarize...
mircea_popescu: as there's not enough room in reality for both their larpings, they eventually split, there's a useless "new" php without mysql and a similarily useless "new" mysql withouyt php now. that neitjher were ANYTHING other than "one piece of LAMP, which exists STRICTLY because tmsr v 0.1 says it does" entirely wooshes over all their herads.
mircea_popescu: but then their successors, two groups of dweebs with sparse goatees, really REALLY don't believe they're just gunk on ancients' unremarkable cogs in a larger system.
ascii_lander is prolly the least in-shape d00d in this whole city atm
mircea_popescu: phf, there's been this ancient grudge between "mysql people" and "php people" in the following sense : in the 90s, the "foss community" consisted of a sad indeology-lite republic that still had enough people to get shit done. they needed an egine for their "revolution" which was to be centered around "the web", a shoddy, ill conceived can of mostly "make it easy for people to participate AND IT WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD [of pe
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 22:25 phf: esthlos: mysqli appears to be a force pushed buggy replacement for original php mysql driver (the usual "deprecated!!1" tricks, while missing features and introducing creative bugs)
ascii_lander: even such fabled items as BingoBoingo's hostel, are not quite what i expected. there's moar sunlight, walkable space, etc there, than in my house!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 18:49 mod6: jesus christ, 1 foot of snow in the last 24 hours, and it isn't even stopping.
mircea_popescu: like the submarine's.
mircea_popescu: well, it's sealed, but the seals are made in tiera de lfuego. leak lots.
mircea_popescu: you're so funny, you know, spend a whole year all dour and then go out for like a week and be all "squeeee"
mircea_popescu: incidentally trinque : i figure http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/ is ready for application.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 15:44 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799329 << he's available now for a few hours; otherwise, another day
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/06e-sieranevada-cuibul-de-viespi.html << The Tar Pit - Two on the parastas: Sieranevada and Cuibul de viespi
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 21:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799029 << anyway, i wouldn't simplify it quite to that point. obviously there's a pull and there's a push way to make money, and if i propose to some guy, "do x, get y" it's my push not his pull, and obviously if he wants to pull instead of waiting to b pushed aroundhe gotta do pull-y sorta things. but anyways.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799145 <-- I agree. there are e.g. "pull" games sponsored through kickstarter that made decent products, ( http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/060-thimbleweed-park.html workedforme), and I'm sure part of academic grant proposals are srs bsns. and this might even work for wireguard, seeing as how it has the great advantage of being actual existing item, used by people.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 22:28 esthlos: yes, it's the latest gentoo nonsense.
spyked: i.e. whitelisting instead of the current blacklist-based approach used in e.g. portage, as seen in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799700 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796255 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793781 and many others in the logs
spyked: then moving from this approach you can systematically eliminate e.g. "pdf library" or e.g. "udev" or e.g. "protected mode" or everything else that is not *needed* for the system, not just userland (if there should be anything such as "a userland" at all in there)
spyked: window with the box or whatever. that C is the set through which you intentionally make your OS a non-general-purpose item.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 21:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799018 << the notion that there's such a thing or could be such a thing as "resonable expectation" of pre-existing userland on the basis of os is not unlike young women expecting fucking them means they get to reorganize your bathroom.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799116 <-- no "pre-existing $thing" was contemplated at any point. lemme exemplify: a. you wanna implement bitcoin-node-os and determine that it requires crypto primitives, bitcoin db/fs, text editor for config files and so on up to a set of components C and *nothing else*; b. you audit the system at [a] and find out that idem, all components present in the systems are in C, and if not, then out the
BingoBoingo: And the Rockchips, kinda look like art...
BingoBoingo: So, I don't want to spoil alf adventures in Uruguay, but... He loves the cheese here
esthlos: double backtrack: the packages.gentoo website is just retarded: https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/dev-lang/php/php-7.2.4.ebuild
esthlos: ben_vulpes: are you sure you're not misreading the mssql flag? https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-lang/php
ben_vulpes: esthlos: i see mysql and msqli flags for dev-lang/php-7.1.15 and just the mysql flag for dev-lang/php-5.6.34
esthlos: there's not even a mysql use flag, just mysqli and PDO
esthlos: yes, it's the latest gentoo nonsense.
phf: esthlos: mysqli appears to be a force pushed buggy replacement for original php mysql driver (the usual "deprecated!!1" tricks, while missing features and introducing creative bugs)
hanbot: i get that most irc channels and chat venues in general encourage this constant stream of self-evident, redundant, low-content chatter, but #trilema doesn't come close to most. there are people trying to communicate and get shit done here, and while you and your titprovisioning are quite welcome, the noise overhead is not.
hanbot: look at the log where i linked it, for example. the girl registers, the bot confirms she's registered, ---you announce that you got her registered---. a few lines down you've got four lines to announce that there's a problem with a picture, after the picture's been posted. how many times yesterday did you ping mircea_popescu and then do it ---again--- to ask if he's around? etc.
mod6: jesus christ, 1 foot of snow in the last 24 hours, and it isn't even stopping.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799616 look douchebag, for every girl you bring in here there's like 10+ lines of bs from you. i've got nothing against you personally, but you're littering the logs with noise --it's annoying as fuck, and if you keep at it i'll end up negrating you.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 00:09 mircea_popescu: in other news : darwin fish, of fabled atruechurch group, agreed to do a q/a session for a coupla hours tomorrow / next week sometime.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 8 minutes ago: <ascii_lander> plox to gpggram the coords , i fell asleep before writing'em down and lost. presently off to breakfast, then will look.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
lobbesbot: ascii_lander: The operation succeeded.
ascii_lander: !Q later tell BingoBoingo plox to gpggram the coords , i fell asleep before writing'em down and lost. presently off to breakfast, then will look.
douchebag: mircea_popescu: I got this slut to do it the right way finally
Courtneyxd: okay then
mircea_popescu: yeah don't stress, it'll be there.
mircea_popescu: you've got something on the right temple ? like side of your head ?
douchebag: to tell her she accidently resent the same photo
douchebag: She said she fixed the code
BethanyC: whats the code?
mircea_popescu: aite then.
BethanyC: he is helping me generate the key right now
BethanyC: Yes douchebag is walking me through the process
mircea_popescu: in other news, someone's maintaining a list of all the chans : http://ircgrep.arza.us/list.log
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 03:53 ben_vulpes: i'm kinda a little puckered about using the apache worker model; i'm going to have to set up something that lets folks upload content
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799493 << this is not how it works. apache runs as "nobody", files get permission of user. if they execute, they execute with user's permission set.
mircea_popescu: i did rate him! phf he actually got the whole wireguard thing started ; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796038
mircea_popescu: in other news, record bw burnage on trilema these past 3 days, but srsly what is bw even for.
mircea_popescu: hanbot / everyone : speaking of patches for mp-wp, here's something i'd dearly love : a MASS uploader. so you don't have to upload files one by one in the webinterface.
mircea_popescu: Include vhosts.d/*.conf should not barf ; however you don't need a "path to", as it already runs from the directory above that, as part of the main config.
phf: ben_vulpes: you're possibly missing relevant LoadModule commands, if somebody was stripping things down, that's the first place i'd look
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i must be thick, or whoever packaged it for gentoo did some inscrutable 'simplification' as a vanilla apache install over here came with none of the conveniences i expected to see a la a2ensite or sites_enabled/disabled, adding Include /path/to/vhosts.d/*.conf caused serverwide barfage
mircea_popescu: phf, apache doesn't actually work any other way.
ben_vulpes: but for example pizarro.danielpbarron.com and thewhet.net are both functional, although hanbot's lacks the pretty links for another little while
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, dood wtf are you talking about, it does it by default and otherwise it's in the config file.
ben_vulpes: phf: not much trying left; i'm in the weeds of migrating folks .htaccess files to apache 2.4 format from 2.2
phf: or rather multi-user
mircea_popescu: in other "overheard in my car", "man hairspray is weird. it feels like i've got cum in my hair."
ben_vulpes: anyways, i gotta collect numbers on eg nginx php-fpm; apache php-fpm and apache mod_php for publishment; i'm hoping that the proxy slowness i saw a few days ago was the "entirely nonbroken stack" of http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-12#331707 because that at least promises each users php process will be run as that user
ben_vulpes: or or someone has a php app that allows for uploads of stuff and then execution of those uploaded files
ben_vulpes: i'm kinda a little puckered about using the apache worker model; i'm going to have to set up something that lets folks upload content
ascii_lander: oook rockchippen theoretically ready to plug in...
phf: sleepless mp nights of generating strings and paying bitcoins for the endless whorde of tits
phf: i'm not sure if the stack can really be manipulated from first principles. it's an experiental technology, if it says "add onion" you add onion, etc.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1796907 << i'll be honest, i brought up barks using one of those LAMP guides and barely touched the configs since. it probably was https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-16-04
BingoBoingo: In your daily truefax, the story of Mary https://imgoat.com/uploads/5b9eea6e1c/104639.jpg
ckang: what datatype is that unit in the codebase though ? I mean there has to be some range I would guess?
phf: ckang: that's by design, no such thing as universal rating system, http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
ckang: theres no range of units for rating
trinque: gotta use the WoT you fuckin n00bs
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 01:48 hanbot: on the mp-wp newsfront, i've a pressed genesis via phf's lastest leftwards/keccak vtools. am waiting on pizarro folks to get apache & mod_rewrite going so i can test it and see to the initial patches it'll need.
BingoBoingo: Oh ascii_lander the bees won the game if you were wondering http://eldiario.com.uy/2018/04/14/penarol-goleo-fenix-en-la-previa-del-clasico/
mircea_popescu: i thought they preferred blondes!
BingoBoingo and ascii_lander appear to disagree on the humanity of the locals, but then again it took me a bit more than 2 months here to lose faith in that myself
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
ascii_lander: aaah, the night air, the sounds of a true orcistan : the sound of e.g. d00d using a perforator (who cares that it is night!11) etc
mircea_popescu: in other obscura, "Koresh had an affair with the then-prophetess of the Branch Davidians Lois Roden, while he was in his late 20s and she was in her late 60s. "\
mircea_popescu: yes, but i only !!v'd it later and deedbot confirmed it, so i expect it's there. isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: anyways, the titbit party, seems an obvious move. just get all the local sluts to come over, write enough tits to make it pay for the kegs etc. perfect campus passtime.
BingoBoingo: ascii_lander: Sweet, confer with ben_vulpes for that. He has the master list
ascii_lander: BingoBoingo: just say the range.
mircea_popescu: well, sounds like one helluva blog post you got brewing there. i shall read in the morn >D
douchebag: im just partying right now with all these girls
mircea_popescu: douchebag, the fewer semaphores i end up implementing the better. how about you make sure they don't need it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think there was a prior zinging which would make this a zong
BingoBoingo: I will have to verify, but this could be the second
mircea_popescu: sooo BingoBoingo do we record the first case where respondent zinged your dady line ? AND IT WAS A GIRL OF ALL PEOPLE ???
mircea_popescu: don't fucking kite it when he shows up, i want to have an actual conversation with the fellow.
mircea_popescu: in other news : darwin fish, of fabled atruechurch group, agreed to do a q/a session for a coupla hours tomorrow / next week sometime.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 00:07 mircea_popescu: ascii_lander, tell me this, have we actually seen these tits before ?
ascii_lander: but otherwise yes, what mircea_popescu said, re gloves. wai not.
mircea_popescu: ascii_lander, tell me this, have we actually seen these tits before ?
a111: Logged on 2014-08-12 02:16 mircea_popescu: TimSwanson you the guy with the ofnumbers/book thing ?
mircea_popescu: i can scarcely imagine a better example of what exactly is meant by the whole list of "nobody asked you anything", from http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-12#792127 onwards.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 15:43 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-181800-p-2.html (poor dooglus ended up paying a 4k btc to a bunch of lazy retartds pretending to be strippers, two years after.)
mircea_popescu: ascii_lander, i mean, imagine the butthurt of the exact http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721049 fucktards when they finally wake up to the fact that they personally being imbecile "professional" and "not doing" does not mean anything whatsoever ; someone else will skin them alive and wear their skin as a glove.
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: 'not shakespeare, but other man by that name'(tm)(r) eh
mircea_popescu: ascii_lander, im preparing for the many-years-later "hurr durr THAT IS NOT ME THERE BEING ME" etc.
ascii_lander: hey it's mircea_popescu's game, if this is cricket -- then who am i to say.
ascii_lander hypothesizes, they're camgurls, they paint the numberz for fiddybyx, douchebag eats the 0.02
BingoBoingo: <ascii_lander> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799187 << lol just as i suspected, douchebag yer marching them in and pocketing the coin? how didja convince'em to play ? << Mebbe drugs?