lobbes: right, temporary solution. I.e. didn't seem germane to 'can't teleport boxen' point re: the rack convo
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 19:04:12 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, tomorrow if nothing yields by then, yes.
lobbes: I mean, wasn't the UY1 nao problem already solved earlier in the convo with stop-gap measures
asciilifeform: also, BingoBoingo , even if he had asked for the rack, we cannot teleport the boxen, it wouldnot satisfy the 'omfg want uy1 NAO!!' req.
BingoBoingo: Maybe they did? Anyways what I read this afternoon was MP opening up the chance to start deploying S.NSA funds to rent and give pipe to a rack, that while in hostile lands is near-ish to asciilifeform who seems married to the same lands. When faced with this offer the reflexive response was to terminally stall on the fiat/BTC conversion problem. You did not propose investigating or collaborating with other folks still stuck inside the
asciilifeform: they have an entire shitfarm not far from here. aint even seekrit anymoar where.
asciilifeform: it's squeezed out the actual-people rack-a-box biz.
asciilifeform: an' it's sold by the pound. interchangeable, predictable, exactly like 'serious biz' folx luvv so Much.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944215 << not really, tbh. Would rather not be chained to the zone for any longterm. Medium term plans include sitting tight while I save up a sizable wad of fiatola (now that I *can* actually save) and sort through the crap I've accumulated; sending unessentials to /dev/null
lobbes: Dreamin' in the Clouds
asciilifeform: it's the logical conclusion of JustWantage.
asciilifeform: the people who 'Just Want'(tm)(r) 'a box, 24/7, dun want to swap raid disks, or keep a greasy asciilifeform around to voltage test ps' etc. are all nao in 'cloud'.
asciilifeform: lobbes: the usa hosters that deal w/ humans, are pretty starved for biz & eagertoplease. they're dying under lulazon and other 'i can't believe it ain't hosting!'
lobbes: Ended up just calling my current usg hoster I use for the logs; they said no problem and would get a second server leased and provisioned 'today' (albeit I was told this 12 hours ago) . I'll say one thing, at least this particular usg hoster is responsive.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 22:39:54 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942833 << btw, I've snagged another leased server from some singapore heathen hoster. Once they provision the thing and give login info then auctionbot will live again. However, if it is desperately needed in the meantime I can slap it up on the usg hoster as a stop-gap measure
lobbes: In related leased server news, turns out the singapore hoster was more trouble than worth; communication impossible (all emails met by automated "ticket" creation followed by 5+ scripted spam responses) and they wanted scanned driver's license + credit card. Told 'em noty
asciilifeform: it's a wonder, BingoBoingo , that anyone came to piz. did they just take pity on us rubes or wat.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: maybe FG also just a fashion accessory. whocares whether installed, aha.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not one of them failed, and I can very much see why you are inclined to rehome them.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Power for dollar, you do seem to have a knack for buying machines. As I'm digesting the day's conversation the objection from mp seems to be the mindset which produces this frugality is handicapping when extended to other areas.
asciilifeform: all them folx who think ' asciilifeform's machines expensive, why need angela when can monica ' oughta try buyin' from 'folx who do x, who do y', see how they sing.
BingoBoingo: It didn't seem to make sense to scrimp on the power supply or disk.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Newegg. SSD and a power supply in the right form factor for the case were iirc the big expenses
asciilifeform: where didja buy them parts, BingoBoingo , at airport ??
asciilifeform: even then.
asciilifeform: then not. as you like.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that thing's prolly destined for the scrapyard, so wainot, plug in, see for own curiosity what happens to it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd only plug it in to see if it draws the aggro, and no. They simply unblocked the IPs per Oscar's report. Oscar is candid when the salesorcs aren't around. But... He's in a position where he's the telecom manager by title and has not the telecom to manage
asciilifeform: whothefuckknows, maybe somehow latech obtained, from martians, proper net pipe in last 2d.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All in it came under 500 USD. One of the AMD mobile processors on ITX board in iirc 10-ish inch deep rackmount case
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They seemed very disinclined to lock out seeing as I wheeled out the last 1Us today, stated my intention to empty cabinet, etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can plug it in, just be prepared to lose the box if the orcs lock you out
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: With the 1Us out I am not inclined to plug anything back in unless explicitly requested by the customer
asciilifeform: oughta keep in mind that live disks could fall into hands of enemy then.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the subscribers who are jettisoning their iron may want it plugged in until last day, let'em say.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we discussed this, neh. they'll 'fix' and it'll go until again breaks.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am presently inside the rack. It appears once everything went dark they decided to unblock the IPs as reported. Or the did it when they saw I was wheeling out the last 1U servers and warned them I'd be back to check
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 23:29:00 BingoBoingo: !q asciilifeform Were you going to pick up an "anyserver" to get the blogs back online or should I do it when I get back from basement mission?
asciilifeform: just cuz mp dun want to inhabit it dun mean it could not be inhabited. he did not say 'i'ma excommunicate anyone who lives there' just yet.
asciilifeform: lobbes: it could be revved up in day or 2 but all i got here on desk to fill with is the listed items atm.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 20:55:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It may be worth working with lobbes/trinque to see if a BTC/Dubloo circuit in the zone can be established. The one thing the US has is cables everywhere. Argentina hangs off of the "Tannat" cable still further from Fortaleza than Uruguay
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944047 << if this were to be done I'd say trinque probably better fit for the role. While I am always hungry for BTC, my orcbux stash took a hit while jettisoning dependopotamus. I'm currently regrouping financially speaking, and while my monthly cashflow should be increasing by ~ $1k in the coming months, I'll still be at 'pauper' level in real terms. Consumption continues to be slashed, howe
asciilifeform: ( since was asked for inventory : there are 3 'apu1' amd machines, w/out ears. an' a set of ears. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i cleaned the intel box in case end up asking for it if not turks.
mp_en_viaje: there's different kinds, not all programming's needlework.
mp_en_viaje: it's mostly needlework, like the old 1990s computing olympiad problems, "do all these many things".
asciilifeform: i suspect they're ~empty like Bingo's people
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 20:21:21 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the only rackable i have in stock here is the rktron.
mp_en_viaje: apparently this only works half the time, didn't see it before.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Muscovite/Ottman Europe may or may not be the anti-Mandarin language retardation counter the world needs.
BingoBoingo: !q asciilifeform Were you going to pick up an "anyserver" to get the blogs back online or should I do it when I get back from basement mission?
BingoBoingo: But rearm who? The German folk from your description seem to require some rapid hardening.
mp_en_viaje: should be lulzy to see the anglo-franco-italian lulzchorus once that happens, as they couldn't possibly.
mp_en_viaje: turkey evidently doesn't want to outright quit but wouldn't mind being expelled, then it can pretty much sell europe to the russians like a common whore, by the night or by the hour, by the hole or by the pair.
BingoBoingo: Predictably the usual congress critters are calling for Turkey's NATO expulsion despite NATO fiatpapers not having any provisions for expulsion
mp_en_viaje: the "global superpower" days well over.
BingoBoingo: Peeked, though headlines seem to be peaking. Trump ordered US to stop human shielding Kurds, informing minimum of personel in doing so before announcement. Now Turkey is doing their long desired Syria ops freely.
BingoBoingo returned from overdue grocery run. Peaked at headlines and feels incredibly handicapped with current Turkey/US/NATO/Trump lolz happening and Qntra dark. Going to the basement to check pipe. Sky and forecast are hinting rain so any extraction further extraction tonight is going to be limited to rails and cables/whatever fits under raincover
mp_en_viaje: regardless, http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ still stands : by the time we're done, empire won't be able to distinguish its meatsacks from bots. end of story, let it send lobbesbot get-out-the-vote cards.
mp_en_viaje: sure, at the rate we're so far going we'll have nothing never, but i'm not married to the crew, i'm married to performance.
mp_en_viaje: all the needful things that were supposed to have well been done by hand by now so we know how to code them by the sort of self-sufficient cocksuckers who won't do things for love or money still need to be done, and then once done automated, and so following.
mp_en_viaje: but ultimately, the bot's supposed to count for a small to medium sized corp all by itself, do the job of 500 or so of the useless fuckheads calling themselves "employees" in pantsuitistan
ossabot: Logged on 2018-03-07 19:20:48 mircea_popescu: sooo... big deal, 1 sent girl to buy a bagful of phone numbers. they cost, no joke, $2.5 here. EXCEPT, of course, they want your "cedula", you know, "por activacion".
mp_en_viaje: nothing keeps you from having a simple !f nc f <25 bot for public usage except for your not having thought about it and me talking in a vacuum on trilema and in general. but the "system" was long ago raped wide open, all it needs is proper interfacing
mp_en_viaje: no, instead of interfacing with whatever idiotic pantsuit outfit via their website, you just do it through their bot they don't even have enough sense to have written themselves.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 19:13:37 mp_en_viaje: obv if i wanted to pay less i'd have made the award less. i don't, not because "it's what it's worth" (which very eminently isn't, true market value of the item's prolly in the $70-$150 range, depending where you buy it) but because tryina prime the pump, so people can go "hey, we made something out of crumpled wad!", why not.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943810 << I think I get this now, and it fits with the theme of today's logs of the republic *taking ownership of a space* before the orcs do their thing. In this instance, it is the blogification of irc, and if it takes until 2020 than we've already lost the plot of the job in the first place
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944122 << nah, if/when someone sane is found, can just get this next to them instead, easier.
mp_en_viaje: what exactly did you imagine you'd be bringing to the table, anyway ? some manner to make any possible deal as complicatedly untenable as it could conceivably get ?
mp_en_viaje: if i have to buy the hardware i'll simply lease whatever random dorks have ready and be done with it.
mp_en_viaje: s nothing to fucking consider, man. if i have to buy the hardware, proximity to you is an anti-issue, you can't do x, can't do y, you're anti-useful.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 18:11:10 BingoBoingo: Well, you can't expect real time answers with IRC. See what the other folks in the zone say when they wake up as far as BTC conversion.
BingoBoingo brb, supply run to keep the biologics going
BingoBoingo: Anyways from an architecture point of view one big weakness of LACNIC countries (and Asia it seems as well) is IP poverty. For all the disadvantages of North America, it has IP space to spare.
asciilifeform: then can come back to subj.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque Backups have finished uploading to the deedbot server.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i spoke with their fuhrer. (monkey was unable to answer all) , fella explained that 'customer must throttle himself, we just bill'
asciilifeform: you can run it all day at Gb if you like, simply will pop when the bill comes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is admirable, but even with them rating the ports as "burtable"... I suspect mp's inclination to get a full Gb pipe up front is how to keep the same sort of network farting from trashing the operation.
asciilifeform: this naturally does ~not~ give same 'bang for buck' as 'whole cage, motherfucker!' and mp_en_viaje -- barfs predictably. tho i was under impression that diana_coman also shopping for less than whole cage.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my notion was to get a coupla holes and serve as 'horse rider' to 2-3 people. at same time topping off slowly own meagre coin sack, at the rate permitted by asciilifeform's pauperty.
asciilifeform: the 1 good imho that could even come outta it, is to make deadly sure we dun ever end up all in 1 dead cage again.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: my the lack of recourse against latecho is dwarfed by latecho and "dedicado"'s lack of recourse against centurylink.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At some point the queasyness has to be balanced against the opportunity to gain some leverage.
asciilifeform: and incidentally when they empty that 42u, i'ma have even less recourse than BingoBoingo against latech. i can't afford even hour of usa attourney i suspect . (not that it'd do much good)
asciilifeform: potentially it could be done the way BingoBoingo did it. but the metered bw thing makes me ill, it's an open-ended liability
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the thought of filling a 42u in usa still makes me queasy. 1 day i'ma show up there and it'll be empty, 'oops'
asciilifeform: then we can get cabinet and a thick pipe etc.
BingoBoingo: Well, you can't expect real time answers with IRC. See what the other folks in the zone say when they wake up as far as BTC conversion.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: so get them already.
diana_coman: no worries, I'm not exactly fresh myself either
diana_coman: they are quick and they will do as told just as long as it doesn't take it out of the pen, that's about it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 15:46:17 diana_coman: fwiw I don't mind it if anyone actually wants to ride maxim but note that their "uptake" of anything proved indeed 1mm deep; just yest I had to ask *again* for the same thing I had previously asked
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 18:23:58 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you find it entirely unacceptable to use someone like the moldavian d00d , if someone volunteers to 'cutout' (i.e. pay him and pasture him, on command) ?
diana_coman: if it's not that, I can go anywhere for same thing,not worth all the time.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my approach was to find a ~reasonable~ dc to which can get with own hands. and to fall on the grenade of paying it from pocket. but i can see wai mp_en_viaje barfed.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I *am* asking them precisely that and nothing less.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: you know, there were at least *some* in the whole list saying kvm; and I'm pretty sure I don't have a full list anyway.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Maxihost was pretty retarded with their formalism last time I searched in depth. Maybe someone else in Brasil is more responsive?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if yer ~leasing~ a box, will get what the people have, not what you want. even in that ukr thing diana_coman found that supposedly opterons. they'll be with ipmi etc. this is inevitable.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: atm I don't think it matters where if they do as told and come register and invoice with deedbot etc.
asciilifeform: see mp_en_viaje's point about the whore angela.
asciilifeform: imho there aint much point in putting inside usa if not asciilifeform , lobbes , trinque , can physically reach, usa is overpriced
BingoBoingo: Well, how much does a dulap spec machine run for on the market atm, and are there any indications as to how deep the market is. You did say earlier that they are getting rarer
asciilifeform: diana_coman: so far emailing the places can physically reach. returned 1 output. but if you're overwhelmed, pgp piece of victim list and what-do-demand and i'ma help.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if mp_en_viaje were interested, would. but he thinks asciilifeform is lunatic. so what'd be the use.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It may be worth working with lobbes/trinque to see if a BTC/Dubloo circuit in the zone can be established. The one thing the US has is cables everywhere. Argentina hangs off of the "Tannat" cable still further from Fortaleza than Uruguay
asciilifeform: see, 'i would not, could not, in the zoo...'
diana_coman: asciilifeform: better email them too or something, there are so many, it's not like I can cover all anyway
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. It's just if you set the bar low... You get Argentines outbidding themselves to be lowest
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw I even emailed some brazilians, will see if/what they reply.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as I was saying, now I don't bother to filter them anymore; they will filter themselves, as above.
BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/3nQJt << Argentina is fatwah'd and even more isolated than Uruguay from an internet perspective, but here's what they offer for 2U 10mbps burstable symmetric (LACNIC so IP address poor). If Gbps can reasonable be had in Baltimore...
asciilifeform: diana_coman: took me all of 20m of phone to get the troof outta'em
diana_coman: in unexpected idiotic failures, monovm's automated system replies to my email to inform me that they won't look at it because I'm not registered with them.
asciilifeform: luckily mp_en_viaje has battalion of people-who-make-sense next to reasonably-priced-dc then..
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje says -- then perhaps is, who am i to say.
mp_en_viaje: and 30yo concert musician to own, if not necessarily 100k worth of violin, then definitely 100k worth of violin if HE PLAYS THE VIOLIN, and twice so if he has a collection of antique panflutes.
mp_en_viaje: but no small part of why i thought you had so and so is because you have others thus and following. i expect the man with 100k worth of car to have 1k worth of gas, i expect the man with egitheen slavegirls to have 20+ rooms, that sorta thing
mp_en_viaje: whatever. all this begs the question "how the fuck did you get your inventory manager to approve this insanity of outlay". with the self-obvious answer that "i am said manager myself, and i am known for my managerial acumen"
mp_en_viaje: whatevers. my question will stand as "so you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable severs, but you do own 20k worth of unrackable memorabilia, which you inexplicably misvalue at 5k for some reason that's obviously this conversation and the outcomes yu want to see from it".
mp_en_viaje: whole bolix, i thought that's more like 7k+ these days.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'd say nomoar than 5k will be paid for it at the auction when im hanged.
mp_en_viaje: yes, yes. but the dollar value of said arguably useless or not useless pile of old junk you can't currently use would be...
asciilifeform: what's useless , and what aint, depends from who pov. for building a piz-style dc -- 100% useless. and btw asciilifeform already, i thought, killed 1 dc, why would mp_en_viaje even consider to put'im in another.
mp_en_viaje: and the market value of this handful of cpus + working mchine comes to ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: handful of said cpu + 1 working machine is all i got re these.
asciilifeform: i dun warehouse wheels of cheese either
mp_en_viaje: do you or do you not currently posses and are the owner of a number of cpus made by defunct symbolics co ; a number of pcbs made by defunct symbolics co ; a number of other just as useless paraphenalia made by just as defunct same co
mp_en_viaje: i thought you had multiple chips + boards + other junk related.
mp_en_viaje: so let me get this straight. you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable motherboards + cpu assemblages ; but you do all the while own ~20k worth of legacy symbolics hardware.
mp_en_viaje: so let me get this straight. you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable motherboards + cpu assemblages ; but you do all the while own ~20k worth of legacy symbolics hardware.
asciilifeform: mno, was discussed in painfully pedantic detail, compl. w/ links to the people from whom bought.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: bought the piz inhabitants, neh.
mp_en_viaje: i suspect the problem is your constant confusion between "could" and "did"
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the proposition of buing new, off eggazon w/e, to fill a rack significantly less appealing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: worse, all of this aint even the hard part, in usa can get any kinda rackables for ~lunchmoney
asciilifeform: what is pictured there ? 'my dragon hoard of dc-waiting-for-rack' ?
mp_en_viaje: i thought you jsut bought shit because it was cheap / you liked it, in lieu of saving or w/e. nfi what the fuck you're doing, i confess the more i talk to you, the less i understand.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have a surgical theatre either. nor milking machines. i was never attempting to fill a dc, until piz.
mp_en_viaje: aite, so if you're not in the business of being in business, you're not, what can i tell you.
mp_en_viaje: an earlier inventory could've saved me the internal misrepresentation.
mp_en_viaje: you have textile looms and period exhaust pipes from the carbureted days of yore.
mp_en_viaje: so you're more of an electrician than a computer scientist, the bulk of your garbage trove is in fact unrelated to computing as such
mp_en_viaje: yes, honestly, i had formed the impression that after years of perusing the penny-to-dollar electronic surplus stores you amassed a large collection of perfectly serviceable parts, that could in a pinch produce a cabinets worth of servers. i did.
mp_en_viaje: actually make it ~36 or so u long, so there's some choice.
mp_en_viaje: and make a fucking inventory already, "alf's list of the most-likelky-to-be-worth-racking 24 u items currently in his warehouse"
mp_en_viaje: or whoever lives thereabouts and not yet beheaded ? afaik lobbes last head left attached.
mp_en_viaje: dude, i already said, wtf. <mp_en_viaje> get 24 u and a up to gb for 5k/mo, put allthe iron you have in there and there you go.
mp_en_viaje: and so what is the problem in getting it ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: other thing, whole cage may be 750, but bw for a rack's wortha boxen would be coupla k/m
mp_en_viaje has no problem putting the above on nsa's monthly report ; and if indeed all the noises you make about having iron (that you "can't inventory" until "you dispose of the garbage, cuz totally, that's how inventories are made, can't enumerate the jewels for lack of having expelled the piocket lint),
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the way I see it is that one wants 1 rack just like one wants own bathroom; ie not to share.
mp_en_viaje: oh, so if it was your private one box thing then why in here lol
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can reliably put 4-5hundy w/out problems, from asciilifeform's daily racket. and thought we were orig. discussing 'could house 1u?' . but if not mp_en_viaje-grade, then waht can do.
mp_en_viaje: if you can't take it why even bother calling, what did you expect they'd say, "19.95" ?
mp_en_viaje: so i'd rather pay 20 than 3 for 8x the space and the ownership, what's difficult to digest ?
mp_en_viaje: you have option of either paying 3 bux day for sharing into someone else's rack, while someone stands over and films you ; or else pay 20 bux per day to own rack, which is 24u, ie 12times the size, and lock it as your own.
mp_en_viaje: well, if they go south you drive over get boxes back. what of it
asciilifeform: atm not sure if makes sense to get these
asciilifeform: 'get the 2u, come back for more'
mp_en_viaje: do they have half or mini racks ?
diana_coman: fwiw I just made my stock email telling them what I want and now sending it around with way less filtering (because there isn't much to filter); I expect there'll be some emails waiting for me tomorrow but dunno if anything positive.
mp_en_viaje: get a coupla c blocks to start with, distinct, and "raid" them.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The news seems pretty broke already.
mp_en_viaje: ration selves is the ~only other commercial version you'll find besides "oh ddos" latech style
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wd. ( yer gonna have to break the news to'em at some pt tho )
BingoBoingo back with the 4 1 servers. Oscar ended up walking me out and asking if I'd checked that the IPs were opened back up again some time today.... to the powered down diskless rack. No notice had been provided that the IPs were restored. Told him I'd return and check from the one of the microservers. Will try to do so when I return to fill bags again.
asciilifeform: finally, there is no contract, it's a monthly thing.
asciilifeform: racks are kolhoz, if one buys less than whole rack, a d00d with a camera stands there while you fiddle in it.
asciilifeform: for physical slots, that is, cheap. bw -- less cheap. they want 50 $ (usa) per 10Mb-sustained. ( and in fact boxen get plugged into a Gb/s port , and expected to ration selves , erry 10Mb/s/mo costs 50 , if somehow eat 100Mb/s/mo or equiv. weight, costs 500 ! )
mp_en_viaje: obv if i wanted to pay less i'd have made the award less. i don't, not because "it's what it's worth" (which very eminently isn't, true market value of the item's prolly in the $70-$150 range, depending where you buy it) but because tryina prime the pump, so people can go "hey, we made something out of crumpled wad!", why not.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 10:23:54 mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, tomorrow if nothing yields by then, yes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:44:44 BingoBoingo: MP's informative tour writeups suggest all the world is mostly populated by tards of some sort.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943366 << this is likely. so far outside of costa rica vienna (and to lesser but still palpable degree warsaw) were remarkable in the positive, but no kind of shangri la. they do have the advantage you don't have to be already rich to enjoy, tho.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-08-19 16:36:37 asciilifeform: oook here's an experiment : asciilifeform set up a mirror of the logotron on a cheap heathen host. ( one of the most rubbish hosters known, lulazon's . hence cannot in fact stand up copy of bot there, fleanode bans conns from it unless sslized. but the db is current. )
asciilifeform thinks 1 'all the general staff in 1 trench' episode is enuff
mp_en_viaje: yeah, that's the last thing we need, have a proper outage next time.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: are the people where you put your www at all usable ? or only worx when mp_en_viaje's in saddle ? (or not on table cuz 'eggs/basket' ? )
mp_en_viaje: "worse enough" is quite the coinage
asciilifeform elbowed a key and mp_en_viaje's caesar ended up where the front sector camera running image normally is on asciilifeform's left-lower lcd. asciilifeform sees, and goes 'wtf' before realizes
diana_coman: the dc around here are just about as idiotic as last time I looked, at least via email; ie the only dim possibility might be if I get to visit at some point and somehow find some human in there but I'm not giving it many chances and so I can't spend current limited time on this.
diana_coman: but I won't put my blog there too, just no.
diana_coman: fwiw I don't mind it if anyone actually wants to ride maxim but note that their "uptake" of anything proved indeed 1mm deep; just yest I had to ask *again* for the same thing I had previously asked
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: MARKETED because otherwise no matter how clean and sanitary, without marketing its jsut us derping in a small clean room about how clean it is while AmaGoogFlix eats all!
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> there;s a reason horses are saddled not stitched to rider's groin << This is rather what Pizarro felt like. I have no intention of getting sewn to a working beast of burden again. I can try riding, but I'd rather not get SEWN because "you're already on the ground and we all got bored/spawned/bumbled etc."
mp_en_viaje: there;s a reason horses are saddled not stitched to rider's groin
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we'll be ridin' them horsies. cuz aint got shortwave net yet.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do not want to end up in the saddle of another ad-hoc'd together Pizarro indefinitely dependent on a single orc or golem being ridden until they exhaust.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, the last time this preference against riding worked out was https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Siege-alesia-vercingetorix-jules-cesar.jpg
asciilifeform: 1 horse shot out from under human, gotta get another.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun think there's any way to avoid riding'em
mp_en_viaje: i imagine plenty of horses were in fact produced through the process of 6yo boy "you have to brush teeth, go to school, practice curves" "hell no i won't go"
asciilifeform: aite. cuz i suspect it's 'moldavia all the way down'.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you find it entirely unacceptable to use someone like the moldavian d00d , if someone volunteers to 'cutout' (i.e. pay him and pasture him, on command) ?
asciilifeform: imho e.g. bmore is only good (IF at all usable) for physical boxen to live, where asciilifeform can pasture'em with own hands ; would have to be barking mad to ~lease~ a box there
mp_en_viaje: aite, wouldja mind as part of pizarro continuancy plan getting a shared server ~anywhere online, and bringing the piz shared back online ?
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, nono i mean re the shared server
asciilifeform raging atm re the apparent depth of the bmore tards' retardation, but will elaborate later
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I will weight the hole orchestra, but one of the supermicroservers came in at just under 15kg on the scale.
mp_en_viaje: yeah well. hence the earlier talk of darkening.
asciilifeform did not know. 2y ago there still were..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: didja know there are 0 in washingtonistan ?!
mp_en_viaje: ideally the next few days, also, dun want this in 2020.
mp_en_viaje: if anyone turns up a host they wanna try, getting this up for me together with a promise to cleanly move it if/when you move gets me to pay for your first 3 mo service.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, ty, hold on to them a little bit.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje Aite. I've not yet shredded the pre-GPG'd backups anticipating the possibility of such an ask.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think he's asking re 'when the fuck can thewhet et al be standing again asap'
asciilifeform: alternatively colo hole and the actual uy1 to be placed there. ( but this latter, slower )
asciilifeform 's father made him do it when was small .
mp_en_viaje: on the exact contrary.
mp_en_viaje: so many excellent solutions delivering in the end nothing but an entrenchment of some kind of the exact thing i was trying to stamp out in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: or what the fuck exactly. god damn it i'm sick of the permanent precise well-oiled functioning of the idiocy machine.
mp_en_viaje: either way whichever direction i turn, nothing but smooth wall of self-supporting "humans are imbeciles, born imbeciles, will stay imbeciles, fuck you mp". what should i do, ~temporary~ arrangement ? so the imbecile within can be "oh, so much trouble to keep moving this, let's not write" ?
mp_en_viaje: considering the beatings it took, them as apparently everyone else, human retardation is fucking insuperable, to start doing this at all, i can't imagine anything more fucking annoying.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile i have the serious problem that my girls, who didn't feel "the need" to produce any articles for week upon week UPON WEEK of pizarro working fine, now have major backlogs that can't get published
mp_en_viaje: just as soon as we get enough aluminum siding salesmen together to actually make something of it.
asciilifeform: [insert here oblig thrd where mp: 'you think i actually NEED the net? well, i can just as readily rule via camel couriers!11' ]
asciilifeform: ( which -- did. but that's story for another time )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho mp_en_viaje was in fact right in 2015, when wrote that working internet can only be built w/ constellation of machinery on old one, where if can connect to 1 noad, you get republican net, and the bits ~will~ go where they're addressed for so long as there's physically via what.
BingoBoingo: Today for two years having passed since the 2017 state of necessity was declared... mp_en_viaje's evalution that for the time passing, the future of the internet seems darker... I can't dispute it.
BingoBoingo: Today, Germany sits driving Europe despite 1939-1945 playing out as they did.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In a world where no one is shooting at Google, this may just as well be a more desperate situation than June '41 with respect to shaping the future.