diana_coman: ok; if there's anything else - I'll be around for about half hour more now and then tomorrow (in ~9 hours from now)
diana_coman: ascii_lander, raid5 as described sounds good; go ahead then and put the same as on dulap
mircea_popescu: aite, seems like the dulap clone is the correct approach here. we'll maybe look at moar cuntoo stuff later.
ascii_lander: ( incidentally lemme know how you want the disks arrayed; if this were mine, i'd put them in raid5 , using 4tb to yield 3tb of storage, plus using 5th 1tb as hotspare. )
diana_coman: trinque, ascii_lander offered to do it; if it's not done by pizarro there's at least more useful experience for me to do it anyway
ascii_lander: diana_coman: you an' i have exactly same box, with the exception where you have 2 ps, and moar disk
ascii_lander: other than kvm
diana_coman: it's a pity there isn't really time now to experiment with this machine as the server has been down for long enough already, ugh;
trinque: you can still use the script as literature, but no, my cuntoo installer is not done.
diana_coman: I have ascii_lander's cribsheet at least but after the previous experience with trinque's stuff I'm almost sure there'll be some fresh trouble
ascii_lander: ( it was on the list )
ascii_lander: one fewer item i gotta put in the next crate
ascii_lander discovered that the rack in fact contains a remotely-operable power distributor
mircea_popescu: in any case we have to reconcile and converge these two trunks.
ascii_lander is on a battle-weary x60, dun have the bookmarksen
ascii_lander: danielpbarron wouldja happen to have the link handy ?
ascii_lander: diana_coman: i published the 'seekrit ingredient' (the use flags for banning crapola) and then danielpbarron turned it into a proper recipe
diana_coman: ascii_lander, did you publish anywhere the recipe you intend to follow for this?
mircea_popescu: next you know, he's sucked through manifold, spends them in hospital.
ascii_lander: i'ma get a boot stick in there also
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, listen, better if you put the gentoo in, unload his schedule some.
ascii_lander: after (3) engentooation can be carried out from a place where i dun have to sit on the floor and have back of shirt menacingly sucked into the exhaust manifold
ascii_lander: ascii_lander's current objectives : 1) find out wtf is happening to trinque's blade 2) drmengele power distributor to fit #14 cable 3) power up the ipkvm (ru plug) and 5v power source for rockchippen (ditto)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, ascii_lander anyway, i expect you'll keep each other entertained for a spell with mg server, so.
mircea_popescu: i am unclear on the details yet.
ascii_lander: but on those you gotta be yourself statically linked (rather than trying to load glibc)
mircea_popescu: but he got fucking deluge and other arbitrary "here's some web-picked shit" going on his, so i am currently very highly regarding it.
mircea_popescu: just trying to merge these eventually.
ascii_lander: the q is, will your item run on musltronic gentoo ( is it static ? )
ascii_lander: ( 100% of cargo racked btw. tho some of the rails had to be bent, i bent'em back by hand lol )
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: lemme know if you will be making own gentoo (or whichever alternative) for smg box, or whether you'd like an engentooation with my own hands
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: took pic. will upload when i get back to room where the photo-extraction cable is
mircea_popescu: are you moving there permanently btw ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, so are you going to become the al soto v2.0 ? historically the guy did a lot trying to get the thing online, with mixed success.
mircea_popescu: ascii_lander, pic the lovebirds, i'm curious if any of the weight rubbed back off on him!
ascii_lander: ( it needs a dr mengele job re the power cord )
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: you can have dulap's gentoo, or make own when the ipkvm comes online tonight
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, sounds like permission issue on the js dir. check all your htaccesses.
mircea_popescu: well, if he does it in channel he'll prolly get whacked. if he pms them... whatever. maybe freenode won't like it.
douchebag: Alright, I'll get another in a sec
mircea_popescu: douchebag, for the record, this thing whereby you get a coupla in, wait for them to be processed, get another coupla in etc is not only dumb, but against the very concept of a batch. get all of them in, save me the trouble of having to handle n batches.
mircea_popescu: im not proposing anyone's doing something wrong. i'm disputing whether anyone's doing anything at all.
mircea_popescu: and in the EXACT same vein, the catholic jesusnonsense ( http://trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/ ) & "god got over it" ( http://trilema.com/2016/hail-cesar/#selection-65.1-52.9 )
mircea_popescu: the ancient "a philanthropist is the guy who gives me money so i can do what i was going to do in the first place".
mircea_popescu: they're the necessary fruit of "here, learning languages is too hard, we translated it for you"
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the 2nd fold of the error : the NOTION of translation is pernicious, and stuff like the protestant lulz of "church of self-esteem" or "we choose to emphasize <bla>" are not unbound errors.
mircea_popescu: you know, "show me the light, by all means, but later"
mircea_popescu: sure, here. i meant with the religious practice abroad.
mircea_popescu: it is, if it were what occured. most of the time it's not what occured.
mircea_popescu: compare and contrast the handling of #b-a / #trilema split and rando "incorrectly minded" etc. withdraw yourself from egregious idiocy of a pernicious bent, sure. but...
mircea_popescu: there's space enough between "from such withdraw yourself" and "and should be cast out".
mircea_popescu: are you stuck maintaining god's wot now ? why, because he's too stupid to know how to work the rating system ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but it is never because of a misread and always because of an erection. referring to the sources never fixed the latter.
mircea_popescu: eaning, as captured in "traddutore, tradditore" or otherwise in english "conversion" as the form of theft.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the argument against translating is twofold, and leaving the first obvious fold aside (hey, perfect translations may be impossible, but good translations do exist, and that's the job of the exceptional person, wtf else -- anania did it in romanian, and others did it before, it is not entirely impossible) : it introduces the NOTION of translation. i dunno if you're familiar with the meaning of that term, the original m
mircea_popescu: were the book written in this heavenly tongue, it'd be immediately readable i guess. but it factually is not.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Psalms 97:6 :: The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.
trinque: danielpbarron: how can you judge that without reading (and loading the time's literary graph into skull) the ancient original
mircea_popescu: "suitable" may work in some contexts ; but in this one the word is already the seal of doom, you've lost.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the original argument against "translating the scripture" is so strong. and yes it was a mistake.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 18:37 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
mircea_popescu: understand something : ancient languages are complex. reason 1 is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697164 ; reason 2 is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 ; add these together suddenly proceeding hermeneutically on pre-renaissance written matter is a life's work for immortal beings.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, but the discussion was re his teens and early 20s.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Titus 1:6 :: If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Titus 1:5 :: For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
mircea_popescu: "oh, so and so term means bla bla" motherfuckers, makes my skin crawl just thinking about it.
mircea_popescu: trinque, his other misfortune is of course environmental hazards. strikes me as a clever fellow who'd have benefitted immensely by spending his youth among people who could read the original greek texts, rather than in the mindless hive of pests "quoting" bits at each other. the functional illiteracy of the protestant church crowd wrt classic languages is patently offensive. picture "security expert" conversant in php yet una
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Proverbs 30:8 :: Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
trinque concedes it's a bias of his own, left the church young on the basis of "magic book didn't prevent lying shitbags from infecting the magic book building"
trinque: yeah, I'd say he probably already collected on the order of as many "actual christians" as could be found, even if the bar you're using is literacy
mircea_popescu: and it won't work for you. not just because you're late to the game, they're about to put out the lights. it wouldn't have worked for you in the 90s, only, "surprised by wealth" half-stories & assorted gargle notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: but a word to the wise : all the details aside, dear kids who dream of "revolutionizing" and "entrepreneur culture" and so on and so forth generally "usa-usa-rarara-techblabla" : it did not work for david fish, EVEN IN THE NINETIES.
mircea_popescu exposed the hand because danielpbarron doth have a knack for ferreting out interesting cases, so a sort of "here you go in exchange".
mircea_popescu: the reasonable expectation is that he'd have descended into madness by now ; which is the root impetuus of why the discussion even took place. "i wonder how the hell this guy hasn't shot anyone".
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the intricate details of the history of the interaction between him and that behemoth of inanity are literally worth the study. very clear cut teardrop diamond of issues surroundant male inheritance in pantsuitland.
mircea_popescu: if he's putting up an act it's like the most disciplined, dedicated acting i've seen.
mircea_popescu: 5. fast forward TWO DECADES. the guy lives with a small group in nature's own poverty in rural ok, then 5.a. refuses ~7 grand windfall on principle grounds but 5.b. does actually show up, ie, his refusal isn't the common "nyah nyah nyah can't hear anything" sort.
mircea_popescu: 4. he spent some time wrangling around the edges of this, words were exchanged, on the solid footing of complete misunderstanding : on one hand, "i am cool therefore wtf" ; on the other hand "dude, we're in the business of frantic activity as a cover for impotence, wtf is wrong with you".
mircea_popescu: 3. darwin fish spent a decade, up until macarthur was ~50, in that church (after some other wrangling, mormons, whatever). then suddenly, as he himself reached 30, there was a major "time for my own church" moment. except, of course, nobody gave HIM the bn-dollar moneymaker. any they even told him why : he's way the fuck too cool for it, or as joe pesci put it, "that was the last fucking time...."
mircea_popescu: 2. this item went through 4-year leadership until announted the current head (a certain macarthur fellow). he was 30ish at the time (and is 80ish now).
mircea_popescu: 1. there's a large, seinfeld-style (why did that guy make a bn ? was it because he was funny, sigma funny != sigma money ? or was it becauyse he put all his effort into powerwashing any "controversial" anything from everything about him, sigma pantsuit ~= sigma money ?) church in socal ("grace community church"), like ten thousand others all over the us ("new religion revival or w/e the fuck, protestand heresysnake eating its
mircea_popescu: trinque, "go to church" doesn't begin to describe it. here's the story as condensed by intel :
trinque: if usglandia were populated with these christians rather than the others, it'd be *far* more tolerable. I've always gotten along with them, because the skull contents tend to be orderly, even if they originate at "because the book"
mircea_popescu: douchebag, i hear somebody fucked his server while he was setting up raids and stuff. so let's all go have an ice slush smoothie and unroll the log back to theology.
douchebag: I know, I haven't had any girls pm you since you told me to last time. I just figured I would mention that the bot was behaving strangely for her incase that was an issue you'd be interested in
trinque: nah, the actual withdrawals are one more boop of a qr gun.
trinque: might as well say now, the next cunt that pm's me over this is getting a week added to her withdrawal
mircea_popescu: anyway, if it accepted the reg...
trinque: so then I go find out what she fucked up about her key, and so on.
mircea_popescu: he may also have a point, seeing how they're both in the same situation, and it behaves differently.
Darwin_Fish: Thanks. May the Lord give you all His understanding (Pro 2:1-6).
mircea_popescu: StephanieCx, i'm batching these, so a whole set is going to go out every few hours.
ben_vulpes: "application binary interface" changed radically during that time, but it won't bother you because buildroot has its own gcc
Darwin_Fish: If that is all, I will be leaving. Thanks for the discourse.
trinque: the build process itself does that.
nodehelp: that's ok that the system isn't touched, but on thebitcoin.foundation site is specified to use a 4.x of gcc g++, can i ask if there is an easy way to downgrade gcc 6 to 4?
mircea_popescu: nodehelp, what ben_vulpes said ; it doesn't use the system much.
ben_vulpes: nodehelp: it builds in its own tiny linux environment, 'buildroot', you might be missing one of the few tools necessary to get/verify/build buildroot itself on a gentoo or an ubuntu but probably not
nodehelp: i've gcc 6 on this debian 9, i see on the instruction that gcc 4.x is needed
douchebag: if you pay extra i can get these whores to write wherever
mircea_popescu: nodehelp, Darwin_Fish, consider making a rsa key and registering it with deedbot, then you can self voice rather than having to do this every half hour.
trinque: when we get to meth witches from crackheads, at least make 'em do the pen scribble on the forehead
mircea_popescu: the*
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, you gotta look at the images for tyhe comment to make sense.
Darwin_Fish: Bobby? I am not well educated on the Kaballah
mircea_popescu: lol check out the kaballah. also, who's bobby ?
Darwin_Fish: Yet, "That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun." (Ecc 1:9 NKJ)
Darwin_Fish: I think I get the general point. "Terrorist" has become quite the catch all word and word used to criminalize a person or org.
CindyB: I messed up writing it the first time rly hard 2 write it backwards
mircea_popescu: there's a very clear difference between those who talk to webserver via curl and those who use browser.
mircea_popescu: nodehelp, here's something to explain to you why cli wins and it's worth your time to spend the time on it : http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/
nodehelp: ok, i'm not confortable with cli but if is the price required i'm in
nodehelp: can i also ask: if i want to use trb i can only do it by commandline via bitcoind or there is a way to add a gui?
mircea_popescu doesn't presently recall if this is the case.
mircea_popescu: oh oh. nodehelp if you also have a witness chain in there it may well be 15gb.
nodehelp: mircea_popescu: i know but there are various, i was too lazy to open everyone and make a sum
mircea_popescu: or you mean ~all of the deeds~ ?
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, another advantage of having a blog is that you don't have to type everything by hand all the time. meet new people, have ready library of explanations and references. i find it QUITE empowering.
nodehelp: trinque: ok, now the speed for some unknow reasons has raised up
mircea_popescu: douchebag, a well. we're giving them the word of cryptogod. that they scatter it... well... experimentally verifies the prophecies.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: so if the consulting demands suddenly disappeared forever, im quite sure great things would come
douchebag: I make them Electrum wallets which is a proper address
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: sure i can save a little. but the point is that the more i hustle consulting, the less time i have for making more valuable contributions to the world, like developing new crypto
mircea_popescu: trinque, sad indeed. hey douchebag i thought you were gonna get them propper 1addy ?
trinque: here's the other sad thing; these cunts are taking the coin and throwing them into 3-addys and segwit, even.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: well seems pretty clear that the future doing what im doing now is unlikely to yield aforementioned flowering sums of 2000btc (unless of course bitcoin tanks), unless a philanthropist comes along
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 15:16 mircea_popescu: soo trinque, can i hire you to install your blessed gentoo in there ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, well, so then take it easy and trust in the future ? obviously not everyone can possibly be running clippers to india, else who'd be making the colonnades back in the forum.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 21:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799029 << anyway, i wouldn't simplify it quite to that point. obviously there's a pull and there's a push way to make money, and if i propose to some guy, "do x, get y" it's my push not his pull, and obviously if he wants to pull instead of waiting to b pushed aroundhe gotta do pull-y sorta things. but anyways.
Darwin_Fish: It is not just to treat people like animals and cage them up
trinque: nodehelp: why the hell would I let you use all of my pipe
mircea_popescu: nodehelp, so then, 20mins or something. doesn't seem slow, just, large file.
nodehelp: mircea_popescu: i know, but is going at like 1 mbit the download
mircea_popescu: make a blog, write them up. i'd read!
Darwin_Fish: Even before I believed the Bible
Darwin_Fish: they turn me off
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] Job 12:10 :: In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] Job 12:9 :: Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] Job 12:8 :: Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] Job 12:7 :: But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, consider this place, chicks regularily come asking to write strings on their tits, and it's not even in california!
Darwin_Fish: No, I like doing it despite the outcome
nodehelp: i'm not very expert, just trying to follow the script to install trb
Darwin_Fish: People don't believe the Bible, even those who claim to
mircea_popescu: nodehelp, not usually slow, no. may be your connection ? which initial files are these ?
nodehelp: hi, it's just me or deedbot host is painfully slow to download the initial files?
Darwin_Fish: Although, I prefer CA for the abundance of big events to attend
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 14:06 danielpbarron: got a message from my former employer that they "Have a service" and were notified of my blog post. hows that for seo? i'm not even trying to game the search
mircea_popescu: who knows these things.
Darwin_Fish: 10 In whose hand is the life of every living thing, And the breath of all mankind? (Job 12:7-10 NKJ)
Darwin_Fish: 8 Or speak to the earth, and it will teach you; And the fish of the sea will explain to you.
Darwin_Fish: 7 "But now ask the beasts, and they will teach you; And the birds of the air, and they will tell you;
mircea_popescu: and so no, i'm not in this position of haplessly, helplessly poking at the great-mystery
mircea_popescu: whereas terrorist org couldn't give less of a shit about a weaker other org.
mircea_popescu: man acting alone is stuck with these "oh, a conclave of idiots bent on self preservation and avoiding the lowly station their idiocy warrants them holds all the power, and i'll act as man alone confronted by governemnt".
mircea_popescu: this is where all that "how the wot works" thing is referenced again.
mircea_popescu: so no, my guess is not as good as yours. i can speak ex cathedra.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
zx2c4: your guess about secret government conspiracies is as good as mine? some people think they are vast; others think they are small. some think ecc; others think rsa; some think jfk; others think apollo. ...
mircea_popescu: which, if you think about it, explains the homeostasis observed quite well.
mircea_popescu: but then again, we're worth trillions, whereas webtards... not so much.
mircea_popescu: we're ok. the various fashionable webtards, i guess not so much.
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, http://trilema.com/2015/the-rabbi-and-the-ewe/
zx2c4: if secret government scientists are lightyears ahead of "entirely worthless" academics, and they have secret attacks on everything academia is currently okay with, then i guess it's game over, and we have to wait until we're at a ripe old age to read the history books on the secret mathematics of our present age. i dont really share this point of view though. and even aside from the factual validity of it, it doesn't seem like a psychologically
Darwin_Fish: Via the Jews
Darwin_Fish: There is no absolute on morality accept God Himself
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, but your source for what god declared is a book which a guy wrote and some other guys maybe didn't alter (too much).
Darwin_Fish: Nothing other than God declaring it is so
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, there's no deductive component in establishing what is evil ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, not doomed as long as the republic stands.
mircea_popescu: which is possibly the one point where we mostly diverge in our priors, you look upon published extant cryptology as some kind of a scientific discipline, whereas to me it's ~gender studies for numbers.
zx2c4: then crypto is doomed?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, my concern is that the literature is entirely worthless.
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, so then what's the problem with whoredom. that they came up with their own arrangement, rather than using a wedding ?
zx2c4: one man's hunch vs another man's? but there has been a lot a lot a lot of open academic analysis on ecc for many years now and this alleged smoking gun still has not been found. so, meh.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: so from your mention of "criminal org" it seems to me that your concern is not so much the mathematical issues that are discussed in the literature, but rather a particular history that to you indicates there must be secret attacks that only the select few geniuses at the nsa know about, and everybody pushing ecc is either in on the conspiracy or just dumber than the nsa geniuses. i guess you're entitled to this opinion -- what's
Darwin_Fish: the sexual drive is not evil
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, understand, the expectation here isn't "longer, therefore better". the situation is as described above, my key budget is 4096 bits, both ecc and rsa are ok by this measure.
Darwin_Fish: The person who labors, labors for himself, For his hungry mouth drives him on. (Pro 16:26 NKJ)
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, so you don't believe there's a sexual motivation in work ?
zx2c4: i think cloudflare has an ELI5 article from a few years back about "what all the key sizes doth mean"
Darwin_Fish: The rich and the poor have this in common, The LORD is the maker of them all. (Pro 22:2 NKJ)
mircea_popescu: how T?HE FUCK can you even look at anything nsa says other than "this is what the liars are pushing these days" ? hm ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, i am very skeptical because rsa they hated and ecc they pushed and then suddenly everyone forgot the 90s and is all onboard.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: i take it now that mostly you're skeptical because the nsa was pushing ecc in the early years, before everyone else woke up to it
mircea_popescu: the algos for ecc will ~never come out, until the day i water my horse out of the repurposed washington monument, of course.
Darwin_Fish: He who has a slack hand becomes poor, But the hand of the diligent makes rich. (Pro 10:4 NKJ)
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: ahh that ignorant and antiquated notion, that "key size implies security size". or do you think there will be some amazing GNFS-like algorithms that come out for ECC, requiring ECC to use absurdly huge keys in the same way as RSA?
Darwin_Fish: 19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return."
Darwin_Fish: 18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field.
Darwin_Fish: Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life.
Darwin_Fish: Word is part of the curse, Gen 3
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, and the "that many attacks against RSA dont work with ECC" claim is especially odious, as it comes from a single source, which is a criminal org with a history of manipulatively lying. what happens is that usg publishes every ~useless "attack" on rsa and withholds the few ~working~ attacks on ecc from publishing. then you get this situation where seemingly, for the very naive surface-seekers, "ecc has advantages". it h
Darwin_Fish: 27 "so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Darwin_Fish: If I understand your question, the answer is no. This is God's purpose: And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
mircea_popescu: my budget for a key happens to be 4096 bits. it makes 0 difference to me that there's a cheaper provider offering 16 bit keys. everyone offering a key under 4096 bits is par for this test.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, i proposition that the smaller the key, the smaller the key. this can't be meaningless.
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: the keys in ECC are smaller. if your position is that this cant possibly mean it's more secure than RSA, then i suppose the actual claim you're making is that 'ECC with ECC-sized keys is less secure than RSA with RSA-sized keys'. what's the basis for this?