asciilifeform: i control the src.
mircea_popescu: well yes but looky : all projects to be useful must communicate. giving someone else the communication part certainly has some aspects of relinquishing control, but you can't at the same time not know how to communicate and not work with someone who does. it's self-defeating, this strategy.
asciilifeform: this is ~equiv to handing over the project.
asciilifeform: ( i/o solely via the db )
asciilifeform: + entirely separate c proggy that actually does the bernsteinization.
asciilifeform: well they paste in own key and get either green, yellow ( come back in a few hrs ) or... red.
asciilifeform: tho the principal use imho of phuctor is to the owners of newly-generated rsa keys, to search for self.
mircea_popescu: this will of course bring to the fore the deep reason rss feed was principal avenue into the data, ie that the web view is not really very useful, but anyways.
asciilifeform: it helps to recall that this product is already at the very outermost edge of what asciilifeform knows how to do.
asciilifeform: certainly not 'impossible', mircea_popescu described the correct algo.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me ridiculous to a degree bordering on infantilism that it is "impossible" to get the data out after being so complexly massaged into utility ; but be that as it may, let phuctor run and report on its website, the interested will try and sift through whatever it publishes on their own time.
asciilifeform: results will still be browsable on the www
asciilifeform: y'know, asciilifeform won't cry if mircea_popescu wants to dispense with the feed, also
mircea_popescu: well certainly the whole "get expensive phuctor machine" thing wasn't on nsa books so that it works for three days and then waits forever.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so what's the situation here, phuctor currently going through Framedragger 's and jurov 's set preparing ; reporting of results here disrupted until this is sorted out ?
asciilifeform: yes, i can write this program. but no i do not know how long it'll take. and yes it would be to the detriment of other projects.
asciilifeform: alternatively you then are asking for entirely different program, that cannot be easily made out of the existing db.
asciilifeform: my writer writes to the factors table. this ought to suffice.
asciilifeform: if this is so -- then it should be possible to make it in a separate process that simply reads from db ( can write to own table, even, if it wants, so long as i do not have to know about it )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i simply went with your hypothesis, which is that the desired feature is truly implementable independently from the rest of the proggy.
asciilifeform: however it must not interfere with the function of the existing code, nor require werker to do anything other than what it presently does, which is to test ALL factors ( bernestein returns ALL factors EVERY time it runs ) against 'factors' table, and , if novel , add factor to it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, did you just say "anyone who wants to do this must do it in the way it wasn't specified because i'm not making the principal element everything rests on" ?
asciilifeform: if the volunteered proggy makes sense to me, i will emplace it on dulap and say 'thank you'
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to volunteer to write this, can use the db snapshot i previously published ( it contains, naturally, the schema. ) to test, remove some entries from factors table, then add'em back in ( ideally several dozen at a time )
mircea_popescu: well, you'd be running the rss script yourself. ever ran code you didn't write before ?
mircea_popescu: redundancy makes no difference here. they'll still only be reported once.
asciilifeform: the whole notion of 'put into a table' implies ~100% of the requested functionality to be already present
asciilifeform: possibly mircea_popescu does not yet grasp how it works ? if you run it today 1000 times, it will return exactly the same 20 items 1000 times
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, how about this : you edit your current rss script, so that ~instead~ of what it does, it plunks its results down in a new table ; and someone (tm) writes you the py script to read that new table and put out usable rss for deedbot. how about that ?
asciilifeform: ( see also orig article re subj, http://qntra.net/2016/11/phuctor-reveals-1-in-2700-ssh-capable-machines-on-the-internet-still-debianized/ )
asciilifeform: the actual number of factors known has not increased at anything like the rate of popped moduli, on account of most of said factors being from the debian pool
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is correct. but there are so few factors known presently, that all operations on factors are ~O(1)
jurov: asciilifeform: at this point just add insert into the new table and leave its reading to mod6 or anyone who has irc bot?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 15:00 asciilifeform: jurov: the way it works is, every time /rss pg is generated , we go select mods from factors order by whenfound desc limit N ( n is 20 currently ) ; call this M, it is a list of moduli affected by that factor being known. afterwards , ~each~ of these lists is tested against the set of ~gpg keys~ , in the shape of select * from gpgkeys where [the list from earlier] && mods , and this yields up a list of most-recently-popped ~keys~, w
mircea_popescu: how do they go into rss if it writes ?
asciilifeform: right now it is the ~only~ thing that writes to factors table.
asciilifeform: the werker process, period.
mircea_popescu: im unsure why phuctor would have to be stalled at all. you mean the reporting here of popped moduli ?
asciilifeform: if you can live with stalling phuctor for , potentially, whole month -- we can have it. otherwise not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the correct algo, and i drew it on own chalkboard last night, but my entire point is that i do not know with confidence how long it will take to implement and debug.
mircea_popescu: and yes, the reason it has separate table is so it doesn't mess up your locks on the main one.
mircea_popescu: 3. this will introduce no further state or anything else in the original process ; it just happily spits its output at whatever rate it wishes.
mircea_popescu: 2. the proposed modification is to create a new table, of columns A B C D timestamp. this is to be indexed on whichever A B C D is the modulus. the proposed use is to have a process sort this table by unique index where timestamp = "" ; report ONE such item, and update ALL the lines with that modulus with current timestamp IF any only IF the highest timestamp found in the table is 900 seconds behind current timestamp.
asciilifeform: i deliberately crafted the thing to enable dirty reads one day, whenever i find out how to obtain them at all
mircea_popescu: 1. consider a process which produces tabular data, in the shape of lines of A B C D columns.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i catastrophically misunderstand own proggy, this 'tick' is an illusion, it is same db query every time, but returns different things, but at same time proggy does not keep any state to know that they are different from prev query
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it generates its tick, that's what the whole "ave it add the timestamp whenever it reads ; push out one once the timestamp is old enough, and write the new timestamp next to it." is all about.
asciilifeform: mod6: where would you plug it in ? there is no 'new tick' event.
mod6: This to me, seems like the most painless way.
mod6: What if someone pitched in a hand to make a new bot for ya, so like Mr. P. said, you just have own channel. Then it can just burp as it is necessary.
mircea_popescu: much in the vein proper smoked rib bean stu requires allspice.
asciilifeform: and observe, i put on heaviest gas mask , and sat with postgres docs for week+, and nao reward 'go and write another 1000ln of postgresolade'
mircea_popescu: well, the proper statement here isn't that "fixing db will be to my grief" ; the proper statement is that "fixing db, while a massive improvement to the $item, has the unfortunate drawback of requiring some trims i'm ill equipped to handle / have to send for across town"
asciilifeform: the utter undebuggability and nonfitting-in-asciilifeform's-head of the pertinent components, results in this.
mircea_popescu: but, i confess i absolutely do not follow the logic here. so, making a new table, and a py script to update it and print it as described above, unbounded ammount of sweat, months of work ?
asciilifeform: once the Framedragger fodder runs out.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see, it will spit out another thou or 2, and then it'll be oncie-twocie per week.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yet another approach would be to do what ben_vulpes did, make a channel for it ?
asciilifeform: honestly i had nfi that fixing the db would be to my grief.
asciilifeform: but i can definitely see the merits of 'only publish 1st factor'. problem is that this is even ~more~ complicated to implement than the earlier scheme.
mircea_popescu: yes, but only one need be reported, is the idea.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually for quite some time i've had it so that it finds both factors in 1 day ( when we're dealing with a proper 2-large-primes mod, rather than random liquishit )
mircea_popescu: merely addressing the latter may well get you out of addressing the former for a while to come.
mircea_popescu: there's in fact two separate problems. one of them is that large walls of robot generated text are hostile to human habitation. the OTHER however, is that the news value of the first factor of a modulus exceeds the news value of all subsequent factors summed by degrees of magnitude, because of the 0, 1 infinity rule.
asciilifeform: see,it did not occur to asciilifeform even in bad dreams that anyone would ever ask for the thing to be rate-limited !
asciilifeform: nope, nothing is separate or separable, if the rss generator has state, that's a whole new table and a 2x-as-long total program
mircea_popescu: index by modulus so you only report each once and there you go.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is 100x more state complexity than i have now, is the point
mircea_popescu: have it add the timestamp whenever it reads ; push out one once the timestamp is old enough, and write the new timestamp next to it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you could simply push that into a table and then have a script read from it to populate the rss
asciilifeform: hich forms the rss output.
asciilifeform: jurov: the way it works is, every time /rss pg is generated , we go select mods from factors order by whenfound desc limit N ( n is 20 currently ) ; call this M, it is a list of moduli affected by that factor being known. afterwards , ~each~ of these lists is tested against the set of ~gpg keys~ , in the shape of select * from gpgkeys where [the list from earlier] && mods , and this yields up a list of most-recently-popped ~keys~, w
mircea_popescu: in my country they go "oac", which admittedly makes 0 sense. (in fact, my country is famous in the harem for having apparently never heard any of the animal sounds it purportedly renders.)
mircea_popescu: so when "educators" ie child molesters claim they produce "familiarity" in children with so and so, this is PRECISELY what they mean.
diana_coman is not laughing as she met the belief irl...
mircea_popescu: (laugh if you will, but this is EXACTLY what they believe, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html etc).
diana_coman: well of course; once that stumbling block, annoying and unfair and barrier to entry and everything that is bad - aka comprehension is removed, all is plain sailing; no surprise there
mircea_popescu: (laugh if you will, however a) this is EXACTLY what alphabet imagines "artificial intelligence" means and b) this is EXACTLY what they teach them to do in school these days. so... joke's on you, mr barbarian bereft of bayesian behehehnologies.)
mircea_popescu: reading can go surprisingly fast if it doesn't make much difference what order the words come in.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, hmmm, I had in mind an even faster she-reader but I can't seem to find ref; that works too I suppose although I suspect the fromdeedbot guy "read" even faster
mircea_popescu: i'm still not certain he wasn't telling the truth even.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:49 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I suspect he "read" them like that tits-girl: in one night he "read" them all, what
mircea_popescu: item promises getting out of having to do some thinking ; the ill equipped towards humanity find it indistinguishable from refined sugar.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:44 fromdeedbot: tbh I am seeing the potential of this concept and I know that I'm late
mircea_popescu: but for the record, there will be an infinite stream of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808813 until the very thermic death of the universe. and once we set the plague of french revolution to rest, and its sad effects are nowehre to be found in the world except for flaubert's books on the history of idiocy, there will SIMILARILY be "hi guise i am interested in the concept". exactly in the way and exactly for the reason "pe
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:28 fromdeedbot: deedbot sounds like the first implementation of a smart contract. I was wondering if you guys thought anything of ethereum. More specifically if you have continued to develop deedbot, or know of a smart contract type platform being devolped on BTC
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808808 << - >> http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/
asciilifeform: alternatively can banish the feed, if 'too floody', and then we run it feedlessly; or some other pill, i've nfi )
asciilifeform: ( based on the history to date. )
asciilifeform: there are 1.7mil+ moduli in the queue right now; if i fire the werker i expect that it will produce 8-900+ popped-moduli.
asciilifeform: ( to be extremely specific: the rss thing is wired to a db query , rather than an explicitly constructed list )
asciilifeform: therefore i have no way currently to precisely guarantee exactly 1 rss tick per $interval.
asciilifeform: because 'popped modulus' in the current architecture is not a discrete event that one can put a delay next to, or shove into a queue;
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:13 jurov: It was already bundled as csv, he rejected it then, asciilifeform pls what format do you accept?
fromdeedbot: sorry to bother, just saw your channel and read a bunch.... you guys figured it out early
fromdeedbot: if they hard fork in order to add the ability to go back and change something they ruin thespirit or the platform
asciilifeform: !#s ethertards
fromdeedbot: I have not been able to find anything on the open web
diana_coman: go read about "I just wanted to"; apparently the moment you say "I just..." it's all the same what you follow with
fromdeedbot: I was just curious to see if there was a platform similar to Ethereum being built on BTC at the current time
diana_coman: fromdeedbot, I gave you a template for asking questions; use it when you ask next question; be warned that if you keep up with the idle "asking" , I will negrate you
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I suspect he "read" them like that tits-girl: in one night he "read" them all, what
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 12:46 fromdeedbot: I read most of the logs here
diana_coman: fromdeedbot, so then, state your question like an intelligent person: I've read this (link) and this (link) and this (link) and as far as I understand it I think you are saying there x and y and z; am I correct? how /why is x.1 so and so rather than so and the other etc.
diana_coman: fromdeedbot, "recently" doesn't change anything; read and understand the "old" stuff - around here meaning doesn't magically expire
fromdeedbot: I read most of the logs here
fromdeedbot: I did search the logs maybe i missed it..eth was mentioned a few times but not recently iirc
fromdeedbot: tbh I am seeing the potential of this concept and I know that I'm late
fromdeedbot: no genuine interest in the subject
diana_coman: fromdeedbot, if you genuinely wanted an answer to that question, you'd have searched the logs first
fromdeedbot: deedbot sounds like the first implementation of a smart contract. I was wondering if you guys thought anything of ethereum. More specifically if you have continued to develop deedbot, or know of a smart contract type platform being devolped on BTC
fromdeedbot: i read the logs and you guys have productive banter
jurov: It was already bundled as csv, he rejected it then, asciilifeform pls what format do you accept?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 01:59 asciilifeform: i will note, in case it wasn't obvious earlier : folx who previously were refraining from linking phuctor somewhere on account of 'how could it take the heat' are nao invited to open the throttle.
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1807664 << soooo i can start feeding it the gigabytes of ssh keys scraped from github?
mircea_popescu: hanbot, i imagine it might pick up once he discovers that unlike ~everything else, stuff here's actually worth the trouble to read.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 03:25 mircea_popescu: so there, you have a pretty great plan for yourself out of this convo. keep doing dayjob to keep food on table. meanwhile a) deliver for trinque, deliver the rsa pubkey crawl and b) talk to potential employees, get them in the wot. then as all this matures you can pivot into your desired research firm securely and from a position of unmatrched strength.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808707 << possibly even achievable if he picks up the habit of reading. so far looks like a potential major impediment tho. hey douchebag, reading's crucial, and there's --so much-- to read here.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 01:58 asciilifeform: trinque: it was in mircea_popescu 's 'the anal child'
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793291 << maybe he was trying to spare the poor people of alabama from his state sending them his shit.
trinque: yeah, if either of those back legs gets tired, he can just swap it out
mircea_popescu: also looks like it could quite enjoy a walk in the grass.
asciilifeform: tame/captive critters seem to have problem fi guring it out on theirown
mircea_popescu: mod6, you know that there's a job where you have to handle rhino penis into rhino vagina at zoo ?
asciilifeform: theoretically. but this is yet very far.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 15:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, do you see it as a mid term you use pizarro as your springboard to move in uy, releasing BingoBoingo into my hand for further adventures ?
trinque: all I'm looking for from douchebag currently is a review of what ends up in the trb binary as a dep
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lolk. but if dreaming of messianic heroes, may as well picture the kind that gets me out of this zoo
mod6: fair enough, will need to have all these specified for that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah. well, so maybe his thing takes off, why not. basically the proposition as it stands is adding more piston. what can it hurt.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doing lame wurk in the saeculum, in usa, to run engine
mircea_popescu: mod6, yes, but it's waited because of developments other places. let it be for now.
trinque: mod6: once there's v-portage the deps will be all there and selected, and there will be no need for the entire buildroot process
mod6: As I've found that a variety in this vein will actually work - should I list them all, or all that I've found working?
asciilifeform: lol another dup
asciilifeform: it is quite painful to be the piston in, tho, i must report
mod6: mircea_popescu: Further, what shall I do about ones like gcc 4.x, and g++ 4.x ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, consider though -- we actually have unmatched synergy here too. if you turn usg moolah here and then lose it to pay for eg pizarro rack, you got an engine!
asciilifeform: hey if the mythical hero who knows how to turn this type of lensgrinding into actual (i.e. not usg/sv) moolah, were to appear...
mircea_popescu personally finds the situation quite quaintly endearing.
asciilifeform: not only, i'd happily 'emerge' myself , then
mircea_popescu: well, if/when the douchebag show gets on the way, maybe you shoot him a line see if he wants to emerge.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, he's at the bottom of a very deep dayjob well.
mod6: Anyway, if this is what is requested, I can work on digging up the versions that I've been successful using.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform, nah. looky : "You also will need the following packages / binaries / tools on your system:bc" rather than "bc bc 1.06.95" << like this right?
asciilifeform: just gotta find the magic coad that fires it.
douchebag: He's also great with hardware hacking. He showed us a proof of concept for hacking a bently. He managed to build a device that. 1.) Unlocked the vehicle 2.) Disable the immobilizer 3.) Use keyless ignition to start the vehicle and drive off
douchebag: Nice, one of the people in my team is extremely skilled with that
mircea_popescu: so there, you have a pretty great plan for yourself out of this convo. keep doing dayjob to keep food on table. meanwhile a) deliver for trinque, deliver the rsa pubkey crawl and b) talk to potential employees, get them in the wot. then as all this matures you can pivot into your desired research firm securely and from a position of unmatrched strength.
mircea_popescu: so was ckang one of these ppls or ?
douchebag: I have a team of extremely skilled individuals for the red team aspect
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine why i wouldn't be. kinda why the whole platform exists in the first place, to allow such outgrowth.
mircea_popescu: use the time to get potential hires you may be interested in into the wot and there you go.
mircea_popescu: tell you what : do trinque's thing ; then do the ssh/ssl thing ; then we can talk about you running this thing exactly like pizarro is run, why the hell not.
douchebag: I don't have the funds to pay employees who are qualified
douchebag: But anyway, I think by first sending in a red team to identify vulnerabilities on the web/network/physical level and then sending their report to a blue team to resolve those issues
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, get a load of that : he basically did MORE work he does at work for 30k a pop (ie, talk a bunch of retarded crack whores / women in tech) through kleopatra, except he did it for free. we're on the receiving end of 30k x 50 crackwhores or w/e it was. he gifted us a million and a half. what now.
douchebag: By doing the following
douchebag: because "the customer is always right" bullshit
trinque: so the working alright is keeping you boys employed, eh?
douchebag: Setting up security software for enterprise customers, the main software we use is an intercepting proxy that analyzes and blocks malicious traffic
douchebag: so she got the joke
douchebag: trinque: I always like to tell them women
mircea_popescu: ok, the point here is : that the difference you propose is not borne by reality, but by the need of middle managers to mentally represent an ideal space fundamentally inadherent to the mental processes of middle managers.
douchebag: when they were sneaking over a fence to break into a building
mircea_popescu: do they get helmets too ?
douchebag: Well, the projects I like working generally involve web application exploitation
mircea_popescu: well so far ... this is the third time at least he created three page + flamewar with innocent question. seems a talent alright.
mircea_popescu: yes well. one year -- one thing. this year -- the spreading. next year -- the eating.
mircea_popescu: the empire -- calls it trolling.
mircea_popescu: kids asking insufferable fucking questions are the prime engine of any thinking republic.
mircea_popescu: now why don't you, like me, see the great promise of fundamental thinking in his approach ?
mircea_popescu: unpleasant as this truth is, and readily obscured by republican optics as it may find itself amenable to, it's still fucking there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, think : you broadsided ME with it too. unlike him i am rather large mass, but the point is fucking there -- we don't actually even know the full dependency tree with any specified precision.
mircea_popescu: and in the instant case, as in the lengthy history of previous instances that drove inflammatory reaction in response, he does actulaly have a point. not only does he have a point, but if poorly communicated ALSO poorly understood in group terms.
trinque has no rush, only raised a consequence for doing other than what he said
mircea_popescu: yes, but what's the rush ; and perhaps more interestingly why such an overactive immune response. there's ~no benefit to repelling youth. moreover, it can not even be said that his work to date sums to zero -- it sums to a positive quantity.
mircea_popescu: the organ must first mature.
mircea_popescu: you're here asking six year old girls whether they enjoy vaginal or clitoridal orgasms.
asciilifeform thinks back to looong list of folx who enjoyed #t, and previosuly #b, right up to the point where they were told that actually contributing, was expected
trinque: it is true that the thing spiders out to "you must have satan-fabbed silicon" but I meant only the deps that had been hard-specified.
mircea_popescu: but it must be said that the q is not entirely spurious (even though he didn't actually read, evidently enough).
asciilifeform: ~then~ builds trb.
mircea_popescu: lmao what the fuck was that.
mircea_popescu: the correct way would be to have a list of enumerated known-goods ; though this is understandably not done as it is -- because expensive. and satoshi didn't do it because he didn't even have any conception of dependency versioning.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, nah. looky : "You also will need the following packages / binaries / tools on your system:bc" rather than "bc bc 1.06.95"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he did get useful intel from the flea barrack, e.g. the language chix
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the reason it was done this way originally was not a price consideration but forced societal insertion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, afaik there isn't anywhere a complete list of specified versioning for trb, nor ever was.
asciilifeform: douchebag: pleeez consider at least attempting to read the trb materials at therealbitcoin.org ?
douchebag: are there any particular versions
mircea_popescu: yeah prolly about time he gets himself a bachelor pad. gotta be able to entertain the local cunt in style.
douchebag: for these dependencies*
douchebag: for these dependencie
asciilifeform: esp considering that i found that the diff b/w what he pays for 'cowork' desk + the flea bed is within 10 percent of what an actual locking-door pad , on low end, goes for in those lands
a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 01:22 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 , plox to put the matter ^ before board.
asciilifeform did , properly in log, ask the board to discuss raise for BingoBoingo , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-02#1807279
a111: 2018-05-03 <BingoBoingo> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1807986 << It's Roger Ver's altcoin scam that happens to own the domain name bitcoin.com
asciilifeform: from the fate of dulap-I and -II i can dare to hypothesize that they use moar cheapo local orcs who dream of miami, than 'strike team' with proverbial stainless steel staples in passport . but beyond this, nfi
a111: Logged on 2015-04-06 03:03 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski old joke, americans ask russians how do they keep discovering their secret agents. "you could try not sending black people..."
mircea_popescu: why, so i can spot the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-06#1089712 from google's own satelitte view ?
mircea_popescu: the sort of guy who thinks like this also imagines the only reason he's not running an uruguay dc is because he didn't feel like trying, not because he doesn't have the juice in him to do it if he had a thousand years and the fed's own paper account at his disposal.
mircea_popescu lulz at the poor misfortunate cia strike team, belabouring in montevideo under the usual threat of "you never fucking know where that nut put a sleeper to shoot you in the face" and then stuck paying dollar-for-dollar import duty on all their spurious gear that doesn't even work AND THEN having to find a fucking spoke lost in transit locally and taking three weeks to still not do it.
mircea_popescu: nothing easier than to expose the magic in magic thinking.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the logic in 'why didja put it in UY, bw costs 4x moar than in usa and cia will still steal yer iron eventually' is pretty amusing. "doesn't it stand to your reasoning that 'cia will steal eventually' is 16x as expensive for the same reason bw costs 4x as much ? if not, why not ?"
mircea_popescu: to sell it has to be sold. no use trying anything else. to have clean sheets you must do a load, and to have sold items you must sell them.
asciilifeform: so far danielpbarron is the champ
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, rather the opposite problem : a stubborn refusal to properly sell fg has beheaded a few folk.
mircea_popescu: we're kinda only interested in the sort of heathen that's interested in veblen goods anyway. the collectivist-equalitarianist among them isn't worth anyone's time.
asciilifeform: hasn't made FG a heathen bestseller of yet
asciilifeform: trinque: it was in mircea_popescu 's 'the anal child'
trinque: the crabs-in-bucket mechanism that says "why do anything against the empire, satan will X anyway"
trinque tried to find the "and anyway" mechanism as discussed in logs, found naught
asciilifeform: here's a sample of convos b/w asciilifeform and heathens ( whom he knows irl, over yrs ) : 'why didja put it in UY, bw costs 4x moar than in usa and cia will still steal yer iron eventually' ; 'i have to do what!? to get server in the rack?!' etc
asciilifeform: ( the main trouble with heathens, is that they can't tell troo-rsa from figernail dirt; e.gl FG is just 'weird expensive version of intel rdrand' to them )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808465 << there's absolutely nothing to it, you want the code ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-03#1808457 << evidently it'd work as !Qsearch. what use is there for a web-based irc service anyway ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 21:44 mircea_popescu: it occurs to me that ~for the first time~ in the history of computing, we have hardware capable of on the fly rsa-ing.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 23:07 asciilifeform has been racking brain to think of 'how to make pizarro hot in heathendom', so far no earthshaking breakthrough
mircea_popescu: "full" text search is a misnomer, even. there's ways to construct conceptual search that anyone who's spent any time with dyslexic children intimately understands. words occur together in their own wot.