mod6: for folks following along, these problems are very common in ubuntu and debian.
mod6: are you still in the 'bitcoin/build' directory?
lobbes: nice! ty for the help
lobbes: ah, there I got a egogg: make: *** No rule to make target `bitcoin'. Stop.
lobbes: k, I'm there
mod6: so go to your trb machine, and then cd into : bitcoin/src
mod6: (of the error)
mod6: what i suspect, is that the original makefile.unix can't find something it needs.
mod6: try this: `command -v gcc-4.7` see what it tells you, then do `ls -al <from_whatever_command-v_told_you>
lobbes: and then if I try to ls gcc-4.7 I get: ls: cannot access gcc-4.7: No such file or directory
mod6: Ok, I checked myself, too, and from your above paste of the press, and my experience just now, your press I presume was fine.
lobbes: then issued: "./v.pl p v trb054 asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch"
lobbes: I tried to press on the first pass with asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch, and it -seemed- to work. I essentially followed the trb how-to ONLINE build, but then downloaded the aggressive patch and seal from btcbase/patches
lobbes: my guess is my press may be the cause
mod6: alright. looks to me like it got all the way through the deps builds, but for some reason puked when trying to build trb itself.
lobbes: yeah, I can jump on and see if I can get the full thing via screen.log
lobbes: yeah, I made sure gcc was 4. Actually, I have notes on the exact versions of all the packages listed in: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6 : if lobbes is interested in selling on commission, i would like him to begin asap , with your approval << Sounds good to me, gotta work out the details, etc, but hey, yeah, whatever we can do to push into heathondom
lobbes: mod6 not yet (been working on getting mp-wp migrated to rockchip). Here's the egogg message I got though >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sOYqV/?raw=true
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809270 << jesus fucking christ, ~every time you're in here there's a new rendition of this abject kramerism. why not read what people are saying rather than jump to the same idiosyncratically-imagined categories of what people could possibly express? what, you figure making the same brushstroke over and over will eventually paint tmsr into what'd be convenient for you personally?
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: you know this eulora server is actually more connection-stable than th eother one ?
mircea_popescu: i like how there's practically no snark here ever at all.
trinque: and the way this is going, understand he doesn't mean touch your computer screen
mircea_popescu: fromdeedbot, you can't register this nick ; pick a better one. then say !!register and your fingerprint.
ben_vulpes: fromdeedbot: you read the faq and help pages
ben_vulpes: lol he actually got the fromdeedbot handle
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-04 16:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, /me will expose the hand, might as well be upfront about things. so, asciilifeform did at some point express some interest in learning the magical crafts of management ; i since fed him the occasional dollop, in the manner this craft was always taught whenever it was taught. as part of this, when he left for montevideo i specifically told him to recognize BingoBoingo 's efforts
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-4#349507 << i too would like some of these dollops, should one slide from your spoon
ben_vulpes: !!up fromdeedbot you gotta close the web page when you close your laptop
ben_vulpes: fully-rented 4u of this would bring us to breakeven at $50/mo, but demands 100% occupancy, otoh that's only 25% of 16U rockchip plant occupancy. so, i don't see a really compelling case for bringing the price down much further.
mircea_popescu: and if they last 10 years you're basically printing money.
ben_vulpes: looks like the monthly cost basis, assuming a 1-yr amortization horizon is 18.35 usd
mircea_popescu: or w/e, ruby mine, brothel, what have you.
mircea_popescu: moreover alf has a solid point. you have 0 interest in dealing with local orcs. there's a reason chinese soy farm in africa dun sell soy to africans.
mircea_popescu: and you'll run out of uruguay before you run out of them.
trinque: mircea_popescu: who's the customer you have in mind?
ben_vulpes: fromdeedbot: a) the whole name is tab-completable and should be used b) it's really not that hard dood
fromdeedbot: @ben the process of registering a key
asciilifeform: selling to locals might actually be a dangerous liability, for all we know they have 'legal rights' to xyz
trinque: or one of you folks, but they already heard from him a few times.
ben_vulpes: trinque: that was what was behind the minimal hosting gedankenexperiment
mircea_popescu: trinque, sell to locals ?! but why the fuck.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aside from the fact that nobody has any such thing to send... there's 2.5kW iirc in the rack, of which maybe half a kw is actually drawn. so in principle such a thing could.
fromdeedbot: i really like the concept of web based on accountability and credibility
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, nobody's going to send a proper miner to fucking uruguay. you don't even have the power for it there.
fromdeedbot: ty i ahve been reading them off and on for a few months
mircea_popescu: fromdeedbot, you can just read the logs you know.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, different kind of compute. there's two kinds, bitcoinate is the other one.
asciilifeform: upstack re possible hundreds of new boxes -- gotta remember that the bw pipe is not made of rubber
asciilifeform: the fat, roaring, 4u kind.
asciilifeform: tho if we had a miner, it'd be tempting item to install while there's still mains current capacity left over that is already being paid for. tho of course nobody has a miner, not for many years.
ben_vulpes: yeah but gimme a break, none of the shitcoins are going to work on anything but ubuntu and with a gui
ben_vulpes: aok then wow marvelous
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the only thing preventing trb on the existing pilotplant rockchippen is the small disk.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: huh i was laboring under the impression that it had unforgivably bad io or something
ben_vulpes: not because i want to pack trbs in but because it is *the* litmus test of compute: "will it bitcoinate?"
asciilifeform: also for compact n-port switches ( the popular ones, are stupidly large physically, and eat away precious space inside the enclosure )
asciilifeform: i'm also on the lookout for even smaller arm boards ( found 1 , but the specs do not stand up to bang-per-buck comparison with RC )
ben_vulpes: so five bucks! for the tap
ben_vulpes: yeah i know the costs for sticks and rockchippen; i wanna know chassis, your time, stuff like cabling
mircea_popescu: by which time you'll likely have another one.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i can give a floor. a rc is about 100bux, with the usbstick. chassis, let's say 400. beefy 5v ps : 200. cabling, negligible, but for pessimism say 100.
asciilifeform: nor is there even the slimmest chance of getting naked bag of naked rockchips in qty approaching 300, through customs. they have to move assembled into 1us.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: baggage holds 4u of machine; there is no practical way to get >24 units of rockchip into a 1u , per my reckoning
ben_vulpes: this is the "when do you start trading?" thread all over again; i'm going to have to review both in depth i think i'm thick as it didn't stick the first time.
mircea_popescu: besides, you can afford it, shockingly enough. 300 x 100 is what, 3.x btc. not the end of the world. if he actually gets it through the blocade you have an item arguably worth twice that.
mircea_popescu: you however -- you're a wolf rider not a cyclops, if you ever played heroes 3. gotta run there and hit something.
mircea_popescu: this is in general re -- the very conservative approach with expenditure seen in every other bitcoin corp is due to their having immense balance sheets and tiny forced expenditures. minigame can fucking afford to go slow on nearly ten thousand btc.
ben_vulpes: ah, is this in re the refinancing for plant buildout?
mircea_popescu: was in re "building the plant".
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the logic being that you're being eaten away at the rate of what, 5% each month ? you can either wait a year and a half to die or sally forth and meet the enemy.
ben_vulpes: stick around long enough and you'll either be made into ^ or spat out
ben_vulpes: what are you talking about, more than any pantsuit 'big tent', you can make yourself into the kind of person who belongs here.
quadsar: i was watching l0de radio for the first time i dont really belong here
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-17 14:23 ascii_lander: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-4-17#336946 << ben_vulpes, imho this is starvation-level lowball. your figures do not factor in the cost of ~building out~ the plant, i.e. building new rockchiptrons.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-05 00:25 mircea_popescu: understand, if you lease these even as low as 30/mo, your occupancy jumps to... 15%, while your revenue goes to 200%.
mircea_popescu: minigame has a similar item, whereby the fact that players bought ECu does not immediately translate to a gain for minigame. there's >100 btc's worth sloshing around in there.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-4#350177 << well i checked it twice, changed something and then failed to check it again is what happened. so, must rework and restate.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-04 23:45 mircea_popescu: prolly should look into the concept of "unearned income". technically money you were paid for services you've not yet rendered belongs to the customers' equity line.
lobbes: Tickerbot will also live there, once it is built. But it is great. I was up and running in no time! I dare anyone to find individualized customer on the level of Pizarro. Try it yourself and you will see immediately what I mean. They offer month-to-month if you just want to try, with discounts for quarterly payments once you feel comfortable << see? sales pitch
lobbes: So I quit; went back to (then) stacking fruit at supermarket
lobbes: I was told I was "good at selling myself, so I should do the same for their "products"". Difference was I thought all their 'products' were useless and not needed (this was a retail bank teller job)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, pizarro absolutely needs a star salesman.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with giving it a try ; who knows, you discover a talent -- often people don't know they're great at X thing because of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806663 problem, all "practicians" in the field are boecks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, other than catalogue sifting, write the words for the eventual kicass page.
asciilifeform: ( afaik their world begins and ends with shitazon/vpn/etc market )
asciilifeform: sadly the tulpapeople are ultra-costsensitive crowd..
mircea_popescu: ironically, the tor tulpas should be all over this :D
asciilifeform: they do !
mircea_popescu: they come with hand-rolled minimal gentoo or what was it ?
asciilifeform: ( still the highest-margin product , if anybody can be persuaded to buy it..)
asciilifeform: aside from the shared hostings.
mircea_popescu: and you don't really want to turn away the first leads ; they're usually the best in that they reproduce.
mircea_popescu: because nobody else can get them through customs etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, honestly i'd start planning for the next trip. understand the simple fact of the matter : if you manage to get pizarro 300 rockchips racked, you've produced at least a coupla bitcoin's value for it.
lobbes: Nice price point, plus the "host anything you want" angle
lobbes: I don't know sales, but I know heathens; I wager those rockchips will be a way easier sell than the shared hosting, for e.g.
asciilifeform: so far nobody's managed to provoke any interest among heathens in fg, rented or bought or etc. , afaik
mircea_popescu: understand, if you lease these even as low as 30/mo, your occupancy jumps to... 15%, while your revenue goes to 200%.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trouble is that presently nobody seems to know anything about how to sell anything whatsoever to heathens.
mircea_popescu: alright then.
asciilifeform: those -- look enuff like 'bag for sale to orcs in the sunday market' to trigger the light show.
asciilifeform: possibly this would extend to 2u or whatver else fits in case. the allergen is specifically 'pile of naked pcb'
asciilifeform: i.e. same mass as s.mg server. but the mounts, power supplies, internal gb ethernet switches, would have to also come.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they weigh 50 grams, but would absolutely have to be carried mounted inside their mount, or customs will behead
asciilifeform: not inclusive of the power supply
mircea_popescu: im sorry, the what did it have, disk ? aha.
mircea_popescu: what's a rockchip actually cost i forget ? like 30 bux + the ssd ?
mircea_popescu: have you ever sold anything before ? the situation here isn't "no one seems to even want the last one". the situatio nis "we sold most of them"
mircea_popescu: if you rent them out you're made.
asciilifeform: and ~quickly~. ( asciilifeform in fact drilled, tapped the holes, the night before flight , and assembled in hotel )
mircea_popescu: if i were you folk i would very seriously be looking at geting refinanced, taking ~300 rockchips there and filling a dozen us with them.
asciilifeform: pilot plant was built to answer the -- until then, entirely open -- q of whether anyone even wants any.
mircea_popescu: how tight were the 6 rockchips packaged ? 2 u ? 1 ?
asciilifeform: i am looking for the exact cost
asciilifeform: well sounds ok until realize that we gotta make a qualitative breakthrough somehow in heathendom; i suspect that l1 is tapped out
mircea_popescu: anyway, so the story here is that you have ~12% occupancy and ~20-30% revenue ?
asciilifeform: s.mg rents rather than owns box, and pays for this
asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure my figure is slightly moar pessimistic than the reality
mircea_popescu: then the 1.1k figure can't be right. 4 x 140 + how many fgs are rented out, at least 4 ? + s.mg box + rockchips hm... seems your true recurrent revenue is more like 2k
asciilifeform: again i will let ben_vulpes confirm the accuracy of my count.
mircea_popescu: box only has 2 fgs ; 1 colo spot ; box rental itself is the rest.
asciilifeform: but it seems to match his outputs in the degenerate cases.
mircea_popescu: so basically this is the recurring revenue table ?
asciilifeform: the param 'target' and the params in leftmost and center columns, are editable, will trigger recalc of equation
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 , mircea_popescu , et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/piz_tab.html << corrections of central column or other init params, welcome
mircea_popescu: prolly should look into the concept of "unearned income". technically money you were paid for services you've not yet rendered belongs to the customers' equity line.
mircea_popescu: ah, the rest because you booked some yearly contracts, i see, i see.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, you're confusing the concept of par value for shares (which is 0.00001 considering you issued 1.1mn on 11 btc capital) with book value per share, a different item.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, more shockingly, can you explain how the hell you folks posted a 0.55620116 ebidta gain this period ? i mean i get it, sold .4 worth of equity ; but the rest ?!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, it's also terrible practice that i read "tooling" and then "zip ties" and "llave". srsly now, put them all in tooling and ((enum)) if need be.
mircea_popescu: the valance sheet << i like this.
asciilifeform: or do i gotta recompute from the available #s
asciilifeform: i am making a wwwistic calculator thing, ben_vulpes ; do you have the price table (usd) and current # of subscribers for each type, handy ?
mod6: Oh, on the good side today! I went to that .ua place again for a fantastic ruben... and bought some of their sweet italian sausages, and smoked cheddarworst.
ben_vulpes: but go on about the numbers that interest you
ben_vulpes: no not really, it's more interesting later on in the trajectory "revenues on assets of whatever"
asciilifeform: the answer to this q doesn't really affect the most interesting numbers in the report tho.
ben_vulpes: this is very much not standard practice tho, and imho better to show a conservative estimate of what assets are (losing value month by month) than to inflate possibly controversially the valance sheet
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's an accounting practice; we could in theory only depreciate the SSDs and hold the machines onthebooks forever to reflect your view that the iron doesn't actually lose value.
asciilifeform: it actually isn't clear to me how these depreciate
mod6: Question for ya: Is the depreciation (monthly) of UY2 really 0.33333333 ? Or maybe is supposed to be 0.03333333 ?
BingoBoingo: If they could communicate, the would probably try insisting they are merely deaf but their movement patterns and posturing betray deficits beyond hearing loss.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sorry about the join/parts. I will put a bouncer on the punch list. Moved the terminal to do some relaxed balcony computing only to discover this weekend's crowd is a bunch of non-verbal retards here for some sort of convention.
asciilifeform: ok then i dun get it : from the equation it would seem that the , e.g., 36 colo, means 'if nothing else existed, 36 colos would be needed, at current price, to add up to $burn'
asciilifeform: ( in the last table )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the numbers-of-customers are 'on top of existing' or 'incl existing' ?
ben_vulpes: could i possibly induce you to set up a bouncer on the shared machine so i can tabcomplete your name after you close your laptop?
BingoBoingo: ^ ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform I have proposed a start for negotiations on a compensation package through February 2019 for your consideration here: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/#fn1-1909
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/04/collected-gripes/ << Bingo Blog - Collected Gripes
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 17:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: easy, just don't use the idiot ieee float
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 16:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-08#1667112 << i'd like to be rid of the floating point
asciilifeform: phf: any idea how to make it ditch the whole machinefloat nonsense in favour of troo arithmetic ?
phf: i don't know what they did in sbcl that it gives 8.75863727 locally, but with double float cmucl gives 8.758457270000001 and with double-double-float it's 8.75845727w0
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suspect that sbcl uses 'iron' (ieee) floats by default, rather than rational arithmetic, and therefore produces garbage
mircea_popescu: even more amusingly : diana_coman spent the past two days working with floats. not entirely unrelated problems.
trinque: isn't a programming environment sure, batshit language, yes, but all *these* sorts of problems were worn off by the flow of industry over the surface
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GI4Ir/?raw=true << why they can pry sql from my cold dead hands
asciilifeform: and i even suspect the reason
trinque: ben_vulpes: hm dunno then.
mircea_popescu: trinque> with the precision set to the appropriate range << this is the important part.
ben_vulpes: and no, unformatted, returning values to the repl
trinque: recall I saw this with the deedbot wallet? type is too small
trinque: ben_vulpes: are you using format on the output?
ben_vulpes: see the line i sent to candi_lustt just a moment ago
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i add in sbcl and round in the end by hand as taught in kindergarten
trinque: or use the python "Decimal" type, with strings passed to constructor
ben_vulpes: of course satoshi had to pick a number of decimals guaranteed to break everything in the world.
mircea_popescu: yeah, they lost that whole thing. intel's getting cisco'd.
asciilifeform: ^ claims delivery guarantee of may the 7th. if this worx, then it is a viable means of getting (small/inexpensive) items into BingoBoingo's orbit.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 19:29 asciilifeform experimentally ordered , from shitazon, a qty of jumper cables for connection of FG to rockchippen, to be mailed to BingoBoingo , claims they will be received by may the 10th
asciilifeform: ( you still get the down side of 'N nodes hanging off a single mains supply' but avoid the hit of 'N nodes in single ip blok' )
diana_coman: lobbes, indeed; pushgetblocks patch seems to keep hdd node at the top without any problem
asciilifeform: lobbes, other trbists : another thing that worx, is the combo of pizarro node piped through a cheapo heathen relay-only box.
lobbes ended up getting a cheap dedi out in kansas or w/e for 25 bezzlebux. Soley for trb-ing. Drawback is it has hdd, but going to try and use the aggressive pushgetblocks patch. Seems like diana_coman had nice results with similar experimentation
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 18:52 mircea_popescu: in the end we came up with a wetware replacement for having to write python wrappers for sql. GO A TEAM!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:27 phf: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/#comment-1166 << responded, but stuck in the approval queue
trinque: could, but the thing is dumb and shall hit your rss once per person
asciilifeform: or am i overbending the stick here
asciilifeform: ( incidentally , fermat is great 'torture test' for the box, ~100% cpu utilization for days. )
mircea_popescu: in the end we came up with a wetware replacement for having to write python wrappers for sql. GO A TEAM!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, feel free to even quote the choicier bits in the logs. the only problem is the wall, really.
mircea_popescu: to quote one of barry fitzgerald's best roles (the naked city) : "Fifty bucks!"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well, considering from experience few locals have even half that to play with, should make survival possible. << The locals have their parents and grandparents to live with.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did they have physical digs, tho, or only pretense
mircea_popescu banged plenty of what locally counted for middle class gals who nevertheless maintained the pretense on 5-600 a month.
mircea_popescu: that takes him then to what, (570 +311 +620)*1.1 ? ie, marginally costing more than the dc ?
asciilifeform: as i recall the obstacle was, however, that BingoBoingo would have to front a month of its cost ? or what was it
asciilifeform: ( considering that a fairly decent flat can be had ~already~ for cost of the cowork desk + fleapit )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, just ignore it. eventually the data will have to be prettified. when someone has the time.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> I just prefer not to look things up if something can be said such as: "hey, the cocksuckers are cramping my style, need some space between myself and them" << As mentioned, I have the hostel side of that rather settled. My immediate concern is pants. That will be followed by something else reaching the end of its service life, etc.
asciilifeform: trinque had kindly let me 'cheat' by using the logs as the tool to find the hostnames, to date...
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 02:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the reason it was done this way originally was not a price consideration but forced societal insertion.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure what the contention is here at all. the "hey, we're paying ~same for current arrangement as apt would cost" point was, i thought, thoroughly resolved with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808553 convo yest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what i really ought to do, arguably, is look'em up and retro-diddle the Framedragger keys' userstrings in the db . ~however~ this would change their hash ! and break all the old links.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 18:30 asciilifeform: !Q later tell mircea_popescu i realized nao that if i fire up the thing as described, we won't have the hostnames. they are are (currently) trinque-produced.
mircea_popescu: they do at-will rentals anyway. the term is enforceable against the owner ; not so much the tenant. anyway.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right, been burned on the advanced payments here before. Just looking at the total sum of things.
mod6: lot less mystery there.
mod6: I just prefer not to look things up if something can be said such as: "hey, the cocksuckers are cramping my style, need some space between myself and them"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it would not be inconceivable either pizarro or nsa buys some real estate in that town, i guess.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, yeah but i mean, i paid quarterly as a rule, and it was exceptional. they generally do monthly payments. the wisdom of doing 3 year lump sum payments to spanish speaking peoples is debatable in any case.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: BingoBoingo devoted a great deal of space to the subj in own www and in the logs, i assumed , imho justifiably, that you knew. << I did hear about a 'girl', which I was happy to hear! I just didn't know what 'shore leaves' was. Had to do 3 minutes of gymnastics. This is about comms with mod6.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Here they like to stretch the lease to 24 or 36 months. The fifth figure comes from figuring the full contract length.
mircea_popescu: i didn't expect it moved much in the interval.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 1 minute ago: <asciilifeform> i realized nao that if i fire up the thing as described, we won't have the hostnames. they are are (currently) trinque-produced.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 18:04 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809228 << Water heater, all of the furnishings, several kinds of deposits. From there a flat incurs utility bills and "gastos communes" monthly. Then there is the matter of whether it is Pizarro's apartment of Bingo's apartment. I am also a bit apprehensive about personally signing yet another 24 month contract totaling in the 5 figure USD range while so much of Pizarro is still being done on a month
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809491 << from experience the (complete) cost for a http://trilema.com/2010/doua-fete-argumentul-economic/ locus, ie, 2/3 bedroom apt, is somewhere around 8-9k/year. notrly reaching into five figures, is it ?
BingoBoingo: hotel room, and the Peruana and I get to work on improving morale.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> what is a 'shore leaves' ? << At some point, usually 7 days after the last bang session the peruana starts to feel abandoned and to keep her available I have to find a place to bang her out. For a while the Cowork bathrooms were adequate for this purpose, but after one particularly energetic night/morning using the Cowork bathrooms for exercise became untenable. And people at the hostel gotta sleep. Thusly on day 8 or 9 I get a
asciilifeform: mod6: BingoBoingo devoted a great deal of space to the subj in own www and in the logs, i assumed , imho justifiably, that you knew.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell mircea_popescu i realized nao that if i fire up the thing as described, we won't have the hostnames. they are are (currently) trinque-produced.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to describe, for edification of mod6 , the exact procedure.
asciilifeform: mod6: theoretically i 'shouldn't have to' lug 100kg of iron in a cart across 2 continents, but sometimes gotta do things 'shouldn't have to', lol
BingoBoingo: screeching monkeys are more like a one weekend out of every two sort of deal. I stress more over decisions like "when am I going to replace my pants (all of them) with ones that fit?"
asciilifeform: and i will personally concretize ( and perhaps be corrected by others, but at any rate will try )
mod6: And by all means, use whatever language in #trilema; I'm referring to when discussing pizarro proposals with me in particular. Too many mental gymnastics otherwise.
mod6: Lol, oh yeah, i hear ya. I'm not disputing the need for a 'flat' or whatever, just trying to make sure I understand these points being made.
asciilifeform: would like a place to live, where the door closes, like you and i have.
asciilifeform: mod6: d00d is stewing in own juices in the barracks, surrounded by screeching monkeys
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as soon as he coughs up the april statement ( containing, recall,actual revenue ) i will insist on a discussion of concrete plan to get BingoBoingo into proper flat and into non-itemized regular swap of pants.
asciilifeform: as for numbers, ben_vulpes are you still missing anything ? to make the end-of-april report
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A couple weeks out, Target date to have it in hand is the 16th barring any surprises