mircea_popescu: crossdressing, for all the social stigma, cruising highway bathrooms looking for glory holes, for all the infection potential, sitting by a wall and banging your head against it, they're dubious behaviours, yes, but this fucking takes the cake. what, you hate yourself QUITE TO THAT DEGREE ?! why ? what did you ever do to yourself to take such umbrage with yourself ?!
mircea_popescu: esthlos, what sort of barbarian, orcish, utterly insane and self-spiteful approach is this, whereby you set forth to do a thing without understanding the previous iterations of the thing you're doing ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 23:21 esthlos: alright. What I don't understand, then, is mircea_popescu's response
mircea_popescu: aanyways ; i agree with trinque in that the "history file" needs not be considered by the v implementation as anything in particular. it's a usage convention not a special case.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 23:13 esthlos: if the new V defines the current state of the project as a single hash, then multiple parents (such as h, i, d, and j) becomes impossible
trinque: if I tell the thing to press to a signed patch, it should press, history file edited or not.
trinque: please do not try to attach complexity barnacles to the history file, because it seemed very important in logs, or something.
esthlos: alright. What I don't understand, then, is mircea_popescu's response
trinque: parenthood is determined by the graph of patches as created by walking across the hashes *per file*
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 14:28 mircea_popescu: esthlos it is not standard procedure ; the emerging consensus is to have a dedicated philosophy file which a) all patches must touch (by protocol) ; b) contains comments as to the patcher's state of mind and c) contains one line per patch uniquely identifying it, machine generated. the format's not fixed yet, but as phf is working on a new proper vdiff it's probably going to coalesce around a variant of whatever he uses.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 12:09 esthlos: to determine if b.vpatch descends from a.vpatch, my idea is to scan through b.vpatch and ensure that each ---(file,hash) matches some +++(file,hash) in a.vpatch. is this the standard procedure?
esthlos: oh, I thought the new idea was to determine parenthood based off a single line in the philosophy file. this was my interpretation of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774751 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774760
trinque: the graph will still look similar to the png you linked, but with a singular line also running through it
trinque: sections of a given patch will yes, be parented on the previous, in a straight line, but this does not at all mean that the patch doesn't *also* have other parents, following the antecedent lines of the other files
trinque: it is a fact about correct operation of a V, and perhaps a V client does something to help the operator along "hey you didn't edit the history file, wild patch!" but does absolutely nothing differently. it's just another file.
trinque: you should ignore the "history" file notion entirely; it has no bearing on how your v-tron operates
trinque: it doesn't, so how did you get there?
esthlos: if the new V defines the current state of the project as a single hash, then multiple parents (such as h, i, d, and j) becomes impossible
trinque: and this is appropriate. the way to solve the problem of "have to edit something in each desired antecedent" is to do that, edit something, the history file
trinque: in current V, j had to *edit* items in both h and i to keep them in the set of pressed patches, if pressing to h
esthlos: so I'm not talking about pressing all the leaves, but when a vpatch has multiple parents, such as h or i in http://www.mod6.net/sps2_dag.png
trinque: this oughtn't be enforced by the V implementation. operator might fully intend to *not* include a patch in the formal history of the project
trinque: the history file is indeed the chosen solution to the problem of tree fragmentation. all patches which are intended to have permanence in the v tree shall edit that file.
esthlos: *their changes
esthlos: so is this what's desired, or am I off the mark?
esthlos: now let's say that the new philosophy file contains hash of all directory contents in lexographic order, onse per patch. As far as i can see, this forces the tree of vpatches to be strictly linear, since latest patch depends strictly on single previous patch
esthlos: looking to cement understanding: with current V, file-level merges are impossible, but patches touching separate files can be applied sequentially. this way, it is possible, e.g., for different folx to work on separate parts of the project, and press there changes into one item.
mircea_popescu: in other news : bad teacher (cameron diaz doing her usual fare) is actually pretty good. racoon eyes not giving a shit, very 1990s hipster highschooler aesthetic.
jurov: asciilifeform: use the tarball as-is, i have not scanned more since
mod6: My rockchip has the FG hooked up, looking good.
mod6: Who wants to rent the last Rockchip available rockchip @ Pizarro? Let us know! First come, first serve.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in weblulz, "ad by Scry Were building a community of people who can predict the future. We are looking for people who can predict the future, possibly better than experts can. Join Us at Scry."
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 19:47 mircea_popescu: that said, you should prolly still see a doctor if you actually suspect you had pneumonia ; the risk is survivant infection, gotta make sure you actually cleanse the bugs not merely reduce them to livable level.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810594 << It's in the cards soon. The option to put the waiting AFTER the relief has started instead of giving the bugs more time to do their damage is nice.
mircea_popescu: that said, you should prolly still see a doctor if you actually suspect you had pneumonia ; the risk is survivant infection, gotta make sure you actually cleanse the bugs not merely reduce them to livable level.
mircea_popescu: yup, it's both a) the ideal medication for the sort of cold / gonorhea and b) readily available in sane lands.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/06/it-turns-out-pharmacies-in-uruguay-are-actually-rather-civilized-compared-to-old-country/ << Bingo Blog - It Turns Out Pharmacies In Uruguay Are Actually Rather Civilized Compared To Old Country
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 16:32 asciilifeform: soooo summary of the eating of tail end of Framedragger collection: 877 popped mods. nearly matched prediction from earlier ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808858 )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810463 << in other shit you won't believe : girl cleanned out her purse, as it was getting heavy. produced as a result a satchel of coins, which she shows me, "check this shit out". "whoa, that's like... almost a kg. go weigh it, i'm curious." so she goes weigh it, and the scale says... 877!
mircea_popescu: entirely the source of the vague spasms misrepresented by pantsuit into "public support for the electoral process" and "representative legitimacy" -- dorks who literally imagine they earn their 4 years' living by putting down an x once.
mircea_popescu: there's just this massive class of entirely spurious sacks of shit, want to "participate in leadership" for a living. nothing else, they earned their keep at the ballot box.
asciilifeform was quite certain that this species had properly died out when the usdrate grew its most recent trailing 0
asciilifeform: meanwhile from mircea_popescu's www, 'In my opinion the biggest red flag is that the opie intends to pay the artist by bitcoin. How many people have a bitcoin account. PayPal is a widely recognised payment method that has been around for a long time. It is legtimate, safe and easy to use. Even if the opie does not want to use PayPal what is wrong with bank transfer.' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: the hood ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 15:58 mircea_popescu: i basically hope we keep losing it. seems the more indermeddling, the stronger the republic.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810461 << this has been my experience also. deedbot was more reliable each time I had to rip the thing out of one host, move to other, for obvious reasons of having to look under the log.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: previously thought 'if only deeper queue', then we moved whole thing to 'go and read'
trinque: naw, but iirc spyked has one coming, maybe he'll do the problem better justice
mircea_popescu: so then why were you prodding him ?
trinque: asciilifeform: already explained that if the RSS is ever longer than 20 when checked, only 20 are coming through deedbot
asciilifeform: ( when the 'repo man' side of the easycredit usg.auto.industry started having problem with clean repossession on acct of electrical locks )
mircea_popescu: then a "court-ordered" whatever the hell takes three weeks because the only person that even knew what an index is in the entire org quit over not wanthing to wear the corporate tshirt at the corporate event and so on.
asciilifeform: sorta how they started doing with 'radio keys' for costly autos in 1990s, aha
mircea_popescu: which are then specifically enumerated (yes, in an excel spreadsheet), with the respective associations, and then stored in a fucking "safe", ie a spurious hunk of metal that'd do nothing in any case.
mircea_popescu: believe it or not, empire still runs on excel, empire still prefers the list 1, 3, 5, 7 to the generator n*2+1.
asciilifeform: it simply happens that one of them, got out, last autumn.
mircea_popescu: there's just a list of crap. "wins at go" algo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i meant yubi co, by producer, not whatever random chinese plant spitting these out and making the only money for the only actual economic activity involved.
asciilifeform: said mask contains 'prime constructor' with the obvious boojum intrinsic to it.
mircea_popescu: whereas fucktarded importance-seeking "investors" of customer tend to imagine this makes them less likely to sink.
asciilifeform: producer does not, per the actual magic revealed in the infineon incident, have to know anything at all.
mircea_popescu: generally, producer doesn't want to be stuck with them.
mircea_popescu: depends on size. either at yubi plant or at buyer.
asciilifeform: rright, but in washington, not in whatever flea pit bought the 'yubi'
asciilifeform: ( the privs, that is )
asciilifeform: those aint kept around on the server end tho
mircea_popescu: i suppose next someone cracks open one of these fetlifes, can dump the yubikey set this way. tho... very roundabout way of ghoing about things -- could as well just list the privkeys.
asciilifeform: ( did the lusers submit ? or shithub genned ? or how. )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but they only distribute it to hitler's minions.
asciilifeform: right, but where were they generated/how, i do not recall
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they were rsa keys off github iirc ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the lusers get it out themselves and distribute, apparently ( the way it is used, other end of channel gotta have it )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, tedious to get the pubkey out of shit like yubikey tho
BingoBoingo: Aite, the local pharmacies are starting to swiftly become a redeeming factor. One handwritten note with my symptoms and zero expensive ObamaDeathPanel visits is all it took to get Trimetoprim/Sulfametoxazol
asciilifeform: ... supposing these are ssh keys. i currently can't seem to recall what these are. lessee when jurov wakes up.
asciilifeform: hard to say 0, there's simply gotta be at least 1 or 2 debian victims
asciilifeform: ( recall? derps used prime-constructor instead of asciilifeform-style 'generate N random bits and probe for primality, if fail -- discard ALL of them' )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-17 05:59 jurov: "The flaw resides in the Infineon-developed RSA Library version v1.02.013, specifically within an algorithm it implements for RSA primes generation. "
asciilifeform: incidentally, there's another yet-virginal but i suspect quite fertile field for phuctor : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-17#1725945 incident
asciilifeform: ( will be revised once there is. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html , and per mircea_popescu's 2016 spec , given as there is not yet a 2nd iron product, they are idempotent
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, in nitpicks today : if phuctor.nosuchlabs.com then also fuckgoats.nosuchlabs.com neh ?
asciilifeform: these, from 16010944 submissions ( i.e. gpg keys ) of which 12284842 were Framedragger-generated.
asciilifeform: for certain uses, spoils iron is the ~only iron, aha
mircea_popescu: in fact, the proper sources of tmsr hardware are, in order, a) confiscated usg hardware and b) its own iron outside the reich. that 2017 ended with 0% a and 0% b, and 2018 will likely end with 0%a and whatever%b has no bearing on this : there's always 2019, there's always uci, etcetera.
BingoBoingo: I mean what else are those phree boxes there for
asciilifeform: ( the correct place to do it ~from~, might even be the -- repurposed -- usg botnets, e.g. mikrotik etc. )
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem avoidable. Framedragger_ came and went, maybe the next one and maybe even the next after that. but eventualy it's getting settled, like everything else.
asciilifeform: and to whittle away at the nobus idiocy -- ideally we get ~regular whole-ipv4 scans, and erry time a usgtronic router vendor with fixed keys etc is discovered, list of ~live~ boxes is seen by whoever wants.
asciilifeform: sorta ~whole point of phuctor -- to increase the minimal complexity/cost for enemy .
asciilifeform: ( where you apply a magictransform to the whole rfc4880 turd, to get a lattice and get the privs; or at the very least, diddled rng that gives e.g. 48 bits of possible keyspace, so nobody finds straight collision, but their asic can walk it, or the like.
asciilifeform: since the debian incident, enemy stepped up the 'NOBUS' crapola; no noar '32768 possible keys, total', instead things moar in the spirit of http://qntra.net/2016/08/rng-whitening-bug-weakened-all-versions-of-gpg
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ( and hey jurov, is it time for refresh ? or should i use the 2016 tarball as-is )
asciilifeform: i'd predict, but i do not recall how he obtained these.
asciilifeform: ^ d00d with large collection of debian-style 'famous p's and q's', even once showed up here and asked to get phuctor's, and he did, but somehow his collection includes ~whole keys~ rather than factors. soon i'ma feed in ~his~ collection.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so what's your prediction re the github set ? how many items even in there ?
asciilifeform: trinque may find interesting that deedbot registered , of these, : 702
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 13:05 asciilifeform: there are 1.7mil+ moduli in the queue right now; if i fire the werker i expect that it will produce 8-900+ popped-moduli.
asciilifeform: soooo summary of the eating of tail end of Framedragger collection: 877 popped mods. nearly matched prediction from earlier ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1808858 )
mircea_popescu: i basically hope we keep losing it. seems the more indermeddling, the stronger the republic.
mircea_popescu: you know, last time we relocated phuctor there were significant gains. this time, even more significant.
asciilifeform: it is in the conveyor, along with 'where from?' stat in 'factor/123' page (e.g. 'debian collection', 'cisco', etc)
asciilifeform: ( as to how we break a modulus without it sharing any factors with other known moduli: see logs re debianization )
asciilifeform: most of them however are factors of only 1 modulus.
mircea_popescu: and so the status page is way behind ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there in fact are currently 5182 known factors.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you don't take my meaning. there can't be at the same time the case that a) "the cardinal of the set of factors is 259" and b) "419 in http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/419 denotes the 419th factor". because if you have a 419th factor, howsoever serialized, the cardinal of the set of factors must be at least 419.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 00:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810271 << i suspect that there is no physical operation involved, it is 100% chumpatronics, like all other subjects of usg.startupism at this point
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 06:30 mother[m]: ben_vulpes haven't seen it myself yet so can't say.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 07:25 mircea_popescu: (in other lulz, google fully indexes it, like say https://www.google.com/search?q=185.68.228.74 or w/e random ip from the reported list).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810407 << it indexes it in ~realtime , it plus a whole buncha crawlers that have namestrings that dun correspond to anything findable publicly, i suspect the usual suspects, when ipbanned they come back ~immediately from somewhere else
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 06:56 mircea_popescu: Moduli Broken: 2489 << asciilifeform yeah totally, this did more in a few days than the old one did per month or two.
asciilifeform: 2) if mod / oneknownfactor is prime, we get the other kind, also a just-that-modulus factor
a111: Logged on 2018-05-06 07:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, my question to you is : if there's "Factors Shared by Two or More Moduli: 259" reported on the stats page, yet the factor index goes to 419 (ie, I can see http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/419 ) then what the hell's going on ? are there 259 or 419 factors ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-06#1810406 << there are two types of factor that are factors of ~solely one~ modulus: 1) debianistic ( and other 'special collection' ones, i'ma make it mark them in the factor page soon) , and,
mircea_popescu: the only stable solution is when 50%+1 of all energy production goes to mining ; there's absolutely no space for "alternate" coins other than an expensive luxury early on.
fromdeedbot: most "tokenized" use cases are not interested in building their own chain
mircea_popescu: except with handpuppets and blockchains. but otherwise, same thing.
fromdeedbot: I started reding the logs here in NOV.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, if your internet access is primarily via web, the channel's logged ; the logs are more reliable than your ad-hoc wwwapp will be. see http://btcbase.org/log http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today
mircea_popescu: mkay. don't do the join/part thing, it pisses people off.
mircea_popescu: (in other lulz, google fully indexes it, like say https://www.google.com/search?q=185.68.228.74 or w/e random ip from the reported list).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, my question to you is : if there's "Factors Shared by Two or More Moduli: 259" reported on the stats page, yet the factor index goes to 419 (ie, I can see http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/419 ) then what the hell's going on ? are there 259 or 419 factors ?
mircea_popescu: Moduli Broken: 2489 << asciilifeform yeah totally, this did more in a few days than the old one did per month or two.
mircea_popescu: 2.5 haitis to the btc sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, bitcoin's natural value is somewhere in between 150% and 300% or so of the M3. so yes, i see bitcoin price exceeding the aggregate cash value of most countries.
mother[m]: With Nadex, you're trading binary options and it's at market-set prices. Which is more than what I can say for quotes from Deribit for example. I agree on that about the bitcoin price signal. Do you see BTC trading to or past its highs this year?
ben_vulpes: what's the sampler-system design, i mean
ben_vulpes: what does the sample-taking equipment look like?
mother[m]: mircea_popsecu definitely not ultrasound machinery. Two ways. One is you have drones on surveillance flights. What it does provide you is a lot of high-res overlapping imagery you can generate aerial footage and 3d models of. You can combine this with other seismic and geotech surveys taken. Another way is that you have drones able to retrieve samples on-site, leaving a surveyors role more on analysis. The cost reductions
asciilifeform: ssl crapola scan is useful also to distinguish the brokenssh boxes from one another ( as i did since the orig scan, e.g. mikrotik )
mircea_popescu: anyway, re hunt, i can't imagine why one'd just do either ssl or ssh. gotta do both really at the same time, why not.
asciilifeform: plz go ahead, i muchly enjoyed the last coupla phuctortrilemas
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, anyway, ima try an' write this up after the two weeks. unless you want to ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i suppose the fact of the matter is, as keys get added the likeliness of broken moduli staying secret drops... which may account for the seeming density increase.
asciilifeform: takes a day or 2 to grab a snapshot of sks. another day to cut it. then swallows in 1-2d
mircea_popescu: funny how the "journalists" with "interests" are all covering the various broken ssh keys in the wild.
asciilifeform: then time for new Framedragger-style hunt. or ssl hunt.
asciilifeform: then we can do sks.
mircea_popescu: ie, the factors set changed significantly enough
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, anyway, i suppose after the jurov set is also fed a new fermatting is in order ? considering there's a lot of new numbers to play with.
mircea_popescu: apparently the republic has nsa hardware!!1
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that between 4th of may and 6th of may it churned ~2mn moduli and cracked 76 is, in the terms, context and for the mind of us limp dick "researchers" nothing short of staggering.
asciilifeform: whoknows what's in there.
ben_vulpes: very much in the vein of "surely you're not..."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810312 << the pilot plant rockchips will sync up to, idk, late 2014, then the 128G disk will fill. ben_vulpes oughta know this.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 20:52 mircea_popescu: well how the fuck do you reconcile a and b, the only thing about youth is that homework's not fucking done!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 20:48 mircea_popescu: many better options for the cheap mw ; and no fucking way a kw farm is worth anyone's time. that'd be like a 12 sq inch diner.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810283 << thinking about this again, i suspect that the age of '1kw miner in half a rack' ended some time in 2013-14
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 17:00 mircea_popescu: it's true that there are some websites printing random numbers, but their fantasies lack any economic substance whatsoever, and therefore eminently can;'t be relied on to price derivative instruments.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810275 << it often bothers asciilifeform that we ~use~ the magic numbers erry time we trade usd etc. but i've nothing to propose to replace this
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 16:47 mircea_popescu: in other curios, what's drone utility for geosurvey anyway ? is there some relationship between visual presentation and mineral deposits identified meanwhile ? or what, they carry honest to god radars and ultrasound machinery and whatnot ? afaik none of it could be fit in a ten ton truck let alone a hundred gram drone.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810271 << i suspect that there is no physical operation involved, it is 100% chumpatronics, like all other subjects of usg.startupism at this point
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 13:44 mother[m]: Going forward I wanted to pivot to Keybase Teams.
mod6: lobbes: great job on getting trb going, and on tying up all the ends so if anyone hits that same problem again!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:11 asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
lobbes: hdd only, but I got the aggressive patch applied, so will see if it can hack it
ben_vulpes: gotcha; what are their rates?
lobbes: naw, on heathen cheap dedi
lobbes: I will soon blog this into a proper post.. but mysql on heathen vps shit the bed. Posts to resume once migration to rockchip box complete
lobbes: in other news, I have a trb node up now and eating blocks (thanks to mod6 for all his troubleshooting efforts, and asciilifeform for confirmation of suspicions)
mircea_popescu: "For as long as there is even one, all the others have died in vain. And once there's not a single one left, they had never existed altogether in the first place."
mircea_popescu: cuz it's never dark, from inside. the amusing situation of classical eschatology is that lucifer simply forked the chain, and as best can tell is a very credible and not at all falen angel.
lobbes: 't see the dark age from inside
lobbes: "nothing else outside of the empire's walls. this is it", so can do "anything" within that reality, which reduces to "nothing of import". But still, can
mircea_popescu: "that there was a limit where the flaunting of their foul acts and opinions before the world must stop" aka http://trilema.com/2018/discordatum-wormatiense/ aka "pantsuit is only sovereign"
mircea_popescu: hanbot, not just DID things ; but did things as if they had license to do things. it's this sort of mental independence that botheres them most re gildon i suspect, "how dares he write biographies exactly LIKE HOW WE WRITE THEM!!! not a word of his is true, nor of the official lifestory of obama-clinton-oprah".
hanbot: mircea_popescu eh, shame / suspicion are just anxiety / depression! there's pills, and "everybody goes through it" and "it's not their fault" etc
mircea_popescu: lobbes, sure, "Everything is possible" -- with the usual caveat that "just as long as it's not big, noteworthy or important". a kid "can do anything" except nothing interesting, something kids generally keenly feel but apparently ustarded adults somehow forget.
lobbes: the whole "fixation on youth" thing really feeds into the insanity cycle, huh? That age where "anything is possible" as long as you don't let experience (be it from others or self) tell you otherwise
hanbot: which is possibly another reason why curll/gildon are officially bad; they actively did things, making idle spellcasters look bad.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i suspect hearing that always comes with a however-hidden sense of shame / suspicion. they kinda look like they think it's tgtbt.
hanbot: i dunno, i think the best thing they can hear about homework is that they're so special they don't need to do it. their unicornity shall manifest, and better to retain/don the woolies of youth to maximize the potential for manifesting firstbestbiggest.
mircea_popescu: well how the fuck do you reconcile a and b, the only thing about youth is that homework's not fucking done!
mircea_popescu: the funny part is that these are some people for whom simultaneously two things stand : a) that the best thing they can hear about homework is "it's already done" ; and b) that the best possible state is "youth".
BingoBoingo: But yeah, in the Pizarro rack would be insanity. For miners in Uruguay to work it would be necessary to take the dam at Salto and mine with the power that would have gone to the Argentine side.
mircea_popescu: especially compounded by the only truly universal religion, panglossism. what's a pious fraud or two when at stake's not having to get fat ass off couch!
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> turns out the darkness of what's later referred to as a "dark age" is not actually visible from inside the age in question << dunning-kruger ain't just for individuals
mircea_popescu: many better options for the cheap mw ; and no fucking way a kw farm is worth anyone's time. that'd be like a 12 sq inch diner.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform, nobody's going to send a proper miner to fucking uruguay. you don't even have the power for it there. << Maybe at the dam in Salto, but no way in hell Montevideo.
mircea_popescu: turns out the darkness of what's later referred to as a "dark age" is not actually visible from inside the age in question ; pantsuited morons from crisconius to comnena similarly felt well at ease on their redditardits, wikitardits &cetertardits.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile charles gildon is the bad because a) male and b) said the bad about HEROINES OF FEMINISM. and Edmund Curll is just as bad, because he was friends with that baddie gildon. notwithstanding ~100% of what the aspirational class is all the fuck about is, "being a curll of the 21st century", no more and nothing else. somehow the hero of neets is not remarkable to the very neets in question.
mircea_popescu: aand in other items of entomological interest, the wikipedia take on politicized pseudo-literary criticism is something else. aphra behn is lionized, because they're ever-so-desperate to discover, invent or if need be entirely hallucinate "remarkable" cuntbearers of the shakespeare period that some random jailbird is A HEROINE OF FEMINISM!!!
mircea_popescu: so if you, mother[m], have other goals than losing your shirt, putting your money in bitcoin options, forwards, whatever time-derivative is exactly the incorrect strategy.
mircea_popescu: however, the ~personal~ problem is that even in those early days, options systematically expired at the max pain point (as for instance discussed in http://trilema.com/2011/max-pain/ though it was a regular occurence really.
mircea_popescu: mpex offered options for a long, long time, but mostly because the nascent republic required its currency protected in those early days ; back when i was personaly large enough to maintain some vague semblance of discipline in the marketplace singlehandedly. it's meanwhile wel loutgrown me and so...
mircea_popescu: it's true that there are some websites printing random numbers, but their fantasies lack any economic substance whatsoever, and therefore eminently can;'t be relied on to price derivative instruments.
mircea_popescu: the general is that there exists no reliable bitcoin price signal. most (by VERY far most) bitcoin transactions are handled otc, and not reported, and usually settle over non-economic considerations. for instance -- most of the btc the usg has historically lost on the market in its half dozen or so attempts to mainipulate the price were obtained by theft and extortion, not by economic activity, and consequently they didn't ha
mircea_popescu: anyway, re bitcoin options (and strictly bitcoin options -- ethereum is not a thing nor can be considered as one anymore than you can consider "real estate" on imaginary planets a part of this discussion) there are two problems.
mircea_popescu: in other curios, what's drone utility for geosurvey anyway ? is there some relationship between visual presentation and mineral deposits identified meanwhile ? or what, they carry honest to god radars and ultrasound machinery and whatnot ? afaik none of it could be fit in a ten ton truck let alone a hundred gram drone.
mircea_popescu: douchebag, there.
mircea_popescu: !!rate mother[m] 1 things
mircea_popescu: !!key mother[m]
mircea_popescu: moreover, website-security is another way of saying no security.
mircea_popescu: mother[m], the republic doesn't much care for usg pretense, "regulation" or otherwise. why would you ?
diana_coman: phf, further clarifications on your questions re eulora's protocol: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/#comment-1168
mother[m]: To my knowledge, Nadex is the only regulated exchange on the US markets for this right now.
mother[m]: @mircea_popescu have one on Keybase I use, but primarily use Signal, Telegram for co-located team members as the interface gradually became more 'Slack-like'
deedbot: mother[m] voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: !!up mother[m]
deedbot: douchebag rated mother[m] 1 << business dude
douchebag: !!rate mother[m] 1 business dude
douchebag: !!rate mother[m] business dude
douchebag: can someone rate mother[m]
shinohai: I remembered it from the agent zero sessions
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 05:31 lobbes: mod6 not yet (been working on getting mp-wp migrated to rockchip). Here's the egogg message I got though >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sOYqV/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 06:48 lobbes: ls: cannot access toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-g++: No such file or directory
asciilifeform: the 'make[1]: c: Command not found' thing is dead giveaway.
asciilifeform: lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810194 << exactly it. your musl gcc never built, so trb has nothing to be built ~with~. you must find out why it did not build. but i recommend burning your heathen linux to the ground and using danielpbarron's, or trinque's, or mine, gentoo recipe
lobbes: "The site is under heavy development, data shown could be out of sync. And its full with bugs :-)"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in #entomologist, the great successes of the webworld : https://archive.is/BABpP#selection-1653.0-1650.6
mircea_popescu: mother[m], don't you find it difficult to do business without pgp ? i mean... how do you even keep comms secret ?
deedbot: mother[m] voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: !!up mother[m]
mircea_popescu: mother[m], once that goes through you'll be able to voice yourself ; feel free to contribute if there's something.
deedbot: mother[m] is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !!rate mother[m] 1 things.
mother[m]: Finance/Tech background mostly. Sold the IP in my last company I co-Founded with my friend that was at the Rackspace IPO. Just came back from West Africa using drones for geological surveying reselling the data to mining companies/using a prospect generation business model for new opportunities there.
mircea_popescu: so wanna tell the group a little about yourself ?
mother[m]: Good to be here. douchebag gave me the big picture of what this would look like.
mircea_popescu: welcome to the republic >.>
mircea_popescu: hi there.
douchebag: I explained to him the idea, and I was thinking mother[m] could be handling the business aspect
douchebag: mircea_popescu: mother is one of my friends, he's a businessman and has a lot of good connections and would definitely be of use for the security firm
deedbot: mother[m] voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: !!up mother[m]
douchebag: !!v mother[m]
mod6: Sorry all, thought it might be helpful to others if we got his problem resolved.
lobbes: ls: cannot access toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-g++: No such file or directory
mod6: lobbes: if you are still in the `bitcoin/build' directory, what does `ls -al toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-g++` return?
mod6: this is soemthing really dumb we're missing here. i'm nearly sure i've encountered this before but can't remember what the pill is.
mod6: then do this again:
mod6: (want to clear the export CC)
lobbes: now that I think of it, I had to install 'make' in the beginning O.o