asciilifeform: trinque: the vtron ?
trinque: did phf or other lispers have commentary on esthlos' item? ben_vulpes? asciilifeform?
trinque: esthlos: ah ok, thought run-program was coming from uiop. sounds like sbcl, cmucl, and ccl would be the desired targets.
ave1: The weather has suddenly gone from 15 degrees celcius /cloudy/raining to over 25 with sun here, so the garden is exploding and needs some serious cutting
ave1: It does have a rudimentary version, but then it re-uses the directories for the next round. Currently, I hope to get this done this week.
ave1: Probably, I will first focus to get the stages building done, that will make it way more easy to debug
asciilifeform: hmm sounds like a broken os then
ave1: It may also be something with the gmake on this machine, an earlier glibc also failed to build in parallel
asciilifeform: ave1: prolly the correct pill is to find where the http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dYf1v/?raw=true items are built, and to force correct precedence in the makefile ( i'd bet that currently they are listed on one line )
ave1: These are not modified as far as rules go, just small fixes to make cross-compiling with differently named compilers possible
ave1: Yes, I was looking into how I could make the flags not apply for specific makefiles
asciilifeform: paste the barf plz ?
asciilifeform: ave1: how, precisely, do they fail ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-07 19:38 diana_coman: ave1, any chance you tweak that script so I can at least test it in stages rather than 3-4 hour all-or-nothing thing?
ave1: diana_coman, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-07#1810933, I'm working on it, getting rid of the git line was a bit harder than expected (apparently nobody hosts this as as a tar.gz file). Also, all my parallel builds of the whole thing fail.
asciilifeform: ( the way bernsteinism works, a given run does not reduce the work of subsequent run in any way )
mod6: get with wthe lingo mod6
asciilifeform: in other noose, ~4.5m of 7m jurov keyz eaten.
esthlos: it should be fixed if I replace the current call to run-program with the full sb-ext:run-program, and really the call should be fixed to work on ccl as well
esthlos: trinque: yesterday could not make it to irc. removing the dependancy on cl-ppcre shoudn't be too hard. sbcl comes with sb-ext:run-program, which wraps a call to execvp (http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#DOCF7). if somehow uiop is being thrown into the mix, then it shouldn't be
trinque: got it running in the "runit" service manager, has a logger called svlogd which reads from stdin, farts to logfile with timestamps (if directed)
lobbes: trinque, how'd you get your log to show timestamps? Mine seems to be missing them
trinque: far as I'm aware it's logging the rejected connect attempts
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/07/2017_intelligence_community_transparency_report/
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YfrpQ/?raw=true << check out the inept node pestering from some ip in mordor
lobbes has only done karaoke once, and it was to rickroll the audience
mircea_popescu: it is possible they were rickrolled and didn't realise it, i didn't stick around to investigate.
mircea_popescu: upon examination, they are exuding from a chicken rotisserie with disco lights that is evidently a brothel that is having karaoke night.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : while walking through the barrio chino, i'm struck by the unmistakable effluvia of... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
mod6: the guy is probably right.
BingoBoingo: My concern is more the local consumer behavior
mod6: i don't eat as much beef as i used to i guess. more pork & chicken these days
mod6: i'd like to say 'sad', but then i aught to feel sad for myself as I probably eat a lot of feed-lot beef myself.
BingoBoingo: McCain needs to be bitter about the things that matter, like when Dubya stole his nomination in 2000
ben_vulpes: mccain's deathbed lulz are grade a: he'd rather have the aborter-in-chief around, totally fries leeb heads who'd just started to like the old coot
mircea_popescu: i thought the big story out of the soviet united these days is which geezer said which other geezer isn't welcome at his funeral.
BingoBoingo: The stretching for anything at all to scandalize is stretching far
BingoBoingo: But apparently the controversy is that AFTER that... He paid cash for some golf courses outside the US.
mircea_popescu: heh, he's not alone. the vegas strip was built out of junk bonds after all.
BingoBoingo: Well, this is Trump who powered his comedy through the 1990s on bankruptcy law
BingoBoingo: And in the latest Pantsuit thrashings via WaPo on money laundering: "Not taking on debt from a regulated lender, in short, can remove an entire layer of scrutiny from the acquisition process."
mircea_popescu: but my expectation is that it'll be purely subjective, "i divide fire into good-useful fire (GUF) such as when i cook, insidious-noxious fire (INF) such as when my pregnant wife smokes and bad-terrible fire (BTF) such as when arson." the guf-inf-btf model is however not a fucking classification of fire.
mircea_popescu: anyway, very much an open problem, of course. you never know, maybe someday someone actually comes up with some manner of classifying the scum into something.
mircea_popescu: rural mommies all over the soviet union prayed for their children to get "an office job" in the great new state being built ; and before the soviet union was invented the EXACT SAME women, physically identically the same notwithstanding the centuries in between them, were praying for at least one of their sons to be a priest. for the same exact reasons, escapism is fundamentally the losers' adaptation.
mircea_popescu: none of them will ever get what they seek, for what they seek a) never existed in the fragmentary, orcish way they represent it and b) existed when it did in a context which specifically requires, as an absolute necessity, their non-existence to exist. so....
mircea_popescu: what are they, aspirants to the "middle class" in the exact sense rednecks are aspirants to "the traditional family" and christians aspire to catholicism.
mircea_popescu: y!) has 4 NOT!!!11-spells but something ENTIRELY-elses, which nevertheless do a) 30 dmg + 5x to 1 target ; b) 15dmg + 7x to 1 target ; c) 5 dmg + 3x to 3 targets and d) 10 dmg + 10x to all targets provided a b or c were cast five times prior.
mircea_popescu: the best model i can summon is indeed the http://trilema.com/2016/the-eastern-rpg/ : there's a "mage" which has 4 spells which do a) 30 dmg + 5x to 1 target ; b) 15dmg + 7x to 1 target ; c) 5 dmg + 3x to 3 targets and d) 10 dmg + 10x to all targets provided a b or c were cast five times prior. then there's an... "assassin", whatever the fuck, paladin, electropostalist, metamicronicist, anything whatsoever -- which (importantl
asciilifeform: to distinguish'em, is only really a productive work if it can be found that they e.g. respond to different ddt.
mircea_popescu: and whenever classification fails, we know two things : one is that the subject is not worth the mention, hence why they're called "scum" and otherwise not considered ; and the other is that the subject is amorphous, like, exactly, scum.
mircea_popescu: good luck with this fauna, i've not yet seen the wonder where classification was meaningful in any perspective.
mircea_popescu: i mean, the specialist will tell you ~something~. counts legs, counts hairs on legs, counts fucking something. then i can take what he said and apply it and not end up in a contradiction.
mircea_popescu: i am not yet that advanced. as things stand right now, i can't even explain what'd be the morphological differences. at all.
asciilifeform: well once time asciilifeform went to an entomology lab and there was a glass case with a coupla hundred indistinguishable, to asciilifeform's naked eye, mosquitoes . but for the pest control specialist, the exact species presumably -- matters.
mircea_popescu: and if they ever did, a la bernstein, it does eventually get washed out.
mircea_popescu: not like any one among them has anything to say, or anything to contribute, or even has understood anything -- or even SAT DOWN with anything in an attempt, however cursory, to understand.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is even the difference between publish-or-perish-i and publish-or-perish-ii ?
mircea_popescu: very similarily, the pile of esltards trying to salvage the remains of french philosophy, british merchantship and spanish bigotry into some kind of whatever that'll get them through the night can not be fucking distinguished from outside ; nor really are functionally distinct. which is how "academics" denied tenure become either entrepreneurs or journalists, or rather both and indistinctly.
mircea_popescu: s of london poor two centuries ago, depending as they were upon the continued feeding of the urban midden for their subsistence, DID classify, and a rag picker thought himself different from a bone monger or w/e.
mircea_popescu: contrary to all the pretense, there's really 0 difference. "tech journalist" / "academic" / "entrepreneur" / whatever the fuck. i don't distinguish between the doubtless present and in-character very visible "sorts" and "kinds" of african garbage pickers trying to turn the refuse of a great civilisation that doesan't include them into some root paste or w/e they eat. you know for a fact they are so, because the various classe
asciilifeform: academitards quite solidly fall into the most irrevocably damned class of sinner, the knowing type.
mircea_popescu: (innocent here being a way to denote the mentally simple)
mircea_popescu: everyone-but-us-and-the-innocent.
mircea_popescu: how do you call them ? doods jammed in traffic on the information superhighway, listening to the atlantic talk radio show.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, zx2c4 's "academics" or w/e you'd call them. the rubber chicken guzzlers, the conference goers, the code-of-conducted, the everyday cuck
mircea_popescu: it's rather comparable to how say that inenarable imbecile murdock changed my view with the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692407
mircea_popescu: the debian scandal is unparallelable because for me it made the phase transition from "these are people" to "these are not people". similarily to how the blockchain genesis is more important than block x+1.
mircea_popescu: in your mind, the chicken is spherical. in practice, the chicken you'd find would come with the usual gunk and mud the "average person" attaches to things. "oh, we were only joking/doing exercise/it's obvious this doesn't count" "oh we researched this and forgot to publish anything" bla bla bla. then the real chicken you found will seem insufficiently spherical to you just like all the others prior.
mircea_popescu: the way the internet works, everybody already knows about everything on the solid basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-07#1810891 etc.
asciilifeform: ( ~errybody already knows about the debianism. )
mircea_popescu: anyway, honestly nfi what's so magical about gpg in your mind. they're just as rsa keys as the ssh set ; and just as debian, and etcetera.
asciilifeform: ( http://qntra.net/2016/08/phuctor-finds-seven-keys-produced-with-null-rng-and-other-curiosities in vintage lulz ; still digging for the item above )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so the standard here is, "a key from the sks system which my gpg at home eats and which is nevertheless not prime and excepting A50591247C8E37A64117B74F78AB527059E13694 / B01584E9F6CB9E76DEA61E2A73786CA0F4EACC4F because reasons and with a special review clause for later on left blank atm" ?
mircea_popescu: afaik this exact discussion ended in 2015 with the showing of how gpg will eat.
asciilifeform: but has not much in common with what you and i , use. and, more importantly, given 'piltdown man'-stitched-out-of-parts ~random selfsigs, ~anyone~ could have produced the mirrorolade. you can trivially create it for every pubkey in phuctor.
mircea_popescu: you gotta mutilate ssh also to get it to spit out / use the 2k+ broken ssh keys ?
asciilifeform: and yes it is conceivable that the proggy that produced'em, was given name of 'gpg', somewhere, somehow.
asciilifeform: argument is that you gotta mutilate any and all of the extant gpgs pretty heavily to get'em to even eat 1.
mircea_popescu: "there is no known" is no argument.
asciilifeform: there is no known version of gpg that shits or even eats mirrorolade, it can only come out of a purpose-built mutilator, OR one of the various js pgptrons that dun check or produce selfsigs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, as far as anyone knows, that's exactly where they came from.
mircea_popescu: yes, the time when a key whose N is the product of two numbers nevertheless is discoveref to have factors other than the two prime numbers in question is, indeed, a most rapturous occasion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the standard is ~could have come out of a pc pgptron, e.g. gpg~
asciilifeform: ( you can click the links, incidentally, and immediately learn this )
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me what the standard you propose is, but anyway.
asciilifeform: all 3 of the given.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#selection-301.0-341.111 etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i was discussing the dozen gpg generated, sks vintage keys that weren't divisible by 5.
mircea_popescu: if i know anything about esltards, it's that far FAR from "i made this so and so, here's the tool binary at the very least, if not source i compiled" they'll instead be "oh nothing happened".
mircea_popescu: there's many dozens of keys that are of dubious origin. who's to know.
asciilifeform: ...closest item to date is the khadeer incident. but that was almost certainly a not-by-named-party creation imho
asciilifeform: ( they are on ramdisk, and process is pretty snappy nao )
asciilifeform: eating the ~7mil keyz will take, i expect, about a day.
asciilifeform: aaaaand the jurov collection is going in nao!
diana_coman: ave1, any chance you tweak that script so I can at least test it in stages rather than 3-4 hour all-or-nothing thing?
asciilifeform: ( it suffers from very serious problem where you gotta start the 3,4,... hour build from 0 errytimeitstops )
asciilifeform: in other noose, jurov's shithub sshkeys output is nearly finished converting; will start to feed it in within hr or so
mircea_popescu: hanbot, really loved the hats.
mircea_popescu: haha remember the hats ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there, even benjie/plate doesn't begin to cure
mircea_popescu: anyway, the above is a major point ben_vulpes is making. cooking at home is ~only way to get decent food in orclands w/o spending a benjie a plate sorta deal.
BingoBoingo: Ah, the friendship is only sorta spready. Had to spackle over it with Brie
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: That's actually the name on this Blue, "Queso Azul 'Friendship'"
BingoBoingo: Aite, the local version of crackers suck. Thankfully I picked up a garlic loaf. Split open and loaded with ALL the blue cheese and the white cheese, this might beat the half kilo of ice cream as the most decadent thing I have ate in Uruguay.
mircea_popescu: but that's the fork : as times goes by, you either get good at fucking or you stop trying. as time goes on, curiosity either systematizes or dies.
asciilifeform: as imho very well demonstrated in the linked piece
mircea_popescu: "curiosity" is the atrophied device of what language is learned with ; much like the adult tymus is what's left behind after the "mother's immune protein bank" in children.
mircea_popescu: yes, it's inborn in humans. but in the apes we come from it ends within 18 months ; and in people it ends if not artificially maintained also.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they don't have any to begin with, see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-30#1690889
mircea_popescu: curiosity dies naturally, much like the ability to learn languages, or the ability to swim.
asciilifeform: they ain't got one, i suspect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and i'll bet you twentysomething tard dun even know what a gopnik is. and this ignorance does not worry him, "there's this scary not-good dood who said something i didn't even understand" somehow fails to carry the "today is the day you die" signal with it.
mircea_popescu: dunno about the whole "people are fundamentally good and seeking the light" aristotelian optimism. however most people can't be arsed to do the stupid when it's obvious it'll be wasted effort.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, consider however the 2nd order effects : i know how they think. can you imagine what that radicalurile could possibly serve ?
mircea_popescu: it's impossible to establish the numerator.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, hard to count the sludge, see. what % of slag is diamonds ?
mircea_popescu: if you don't drill the shitpipe, how're you going to end up in cunt ?!
mircea_popescu: the taint!
mod6: the taint
mircea_popescu: the anus and the vulva are separated by a thin membrane by design ; this is what sophia thinks of our habits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, have you seen the pics on trilema ever ?
mircea_popescu: this is not singular : fetlife is at least half by weight people who want a good pretext as to why they're not getting laid (community!) ; gaming is at least half by weight people who want a good pretext as to why they suck at video games (community!) and so on and so following. look at expert sex change in this vein, you'll discover a few things about the sort of questions asked and the placesd they come from.
asciilifeform: i can't resist to ask : mircea_popescu has been drilling shitlife for yrs; anyffing ever come out of the pipe, aside from sludge ?
mircea_popescu: imagine this fucking wonder, "not a good person". what the fuck happened in their heads, seriously, this is a drawback, being the guy your mom told you to stay clear of ? he;s going to do me disservice by running around "warning" the gals about how not good i am ?
mircea_popescu: em so very keen on slavery I wanted to offer you the chance to be a slave. I've seen a few posts about you asking people to be your slave, well you can be mine instead." "me : Any clue who you're talking to, gopnik ?" "him : couldn't give a damn who i'm talking to. The fact that most groups i'm part of are warning people about you tells me that you're not a good person."
mircea_popescu: there's a large (and good god vocal!) population on say fetlife, which is only there to steal the having been stolen from wrt sex. specifically, they're mental 12yos who are there to not have to notice they're entiurely asexual, "how could you think that of me, i'm here engaging in the exact sort of slut-in-training perisexual and cvasisexual behaviours typical of pubescence!". here, sampler : "Law_And_Chaos 26M Dom ah you se
asciilifeform: prior to this, they did same thing via ordinary phone, neh
mircea_popescu: the logic of idiocy is not hard to follow.
mircea_popescu: yes, voip crapola. now think -- they have nothing to say to each other and 1 on 1 is "too much pressure" anyway, so they'd join channels, yes ?
asciilifeform: i thought skype etc were voip crapola, rather than pseudo-broadcast
mircea_popescu: 0 self respect in the lands of "self confidence".
mircea_popescu: at least their fathers knew listening to talk radio in the car was BECAUSE THEIR LIFE SUCKS. these schmucks listen to it in their "spare" time, and don't even go to the trouble of ~selecting~ a moron to uuhhh and aaahhh melifluously, no, any old dweeb will do.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the trigger was me explaining why i'm not gonna use skype/discord, no matter what the fuck they do. apparently "daytime talk radio" was meanwhile supplanted by these mutual clucking devices they have. who the fuck knew in three short decades socialism will manage to take all the most obnoxious features of a marginal social phenomenon associated with wage slaves and turn it into a universal locus of youth.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-07 15:24 mircea_popescu: otherwise you know, as far as pantsuit media outlets / science (ie, wankish fantasy with no reality support whatsoever) goes, there's https://asiangirlsbelongtowhitemen.tumblr.com/ https://sissyasianboy.tumblr.com/post/173275119419/all-asian-boys-should-be-castrated-and-turned-into https://asianwhiteworship.tumblr.com/post/169628017674/the-new-asian-sexuality-an-asian-girl-fucking-her etc etc etc.
mircea_popescu: rando guild leader. either the most ellaborate troll alive or otherwise just another http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-07#1810722
ben_vulpes: and in 'the orly? report': http://gcaptain.com/new-york-governor-vows-dunkirk-style-citizens-fleet-to-block-offshore-drilling
asciilifeform: this from the soulless-cockroaches-given-gift-of-speech-by-mistake file ?
mircea_popescu: nda Gates Foundation. Was not a whole lot. Less than a mil. I made a decent fortune from bitcoins for no reason. And they are doing some really cool projects for humanity. Love their work. I have been to quite a few of Richard Stallman's talks. But still not inspired enough to care so much about OSS. I like it, but I also understand the argument for not having OSS and making money off it. But you did a good thing there. so co
mircea_popescu: You are the early BTC adopter and IIRC you were or had used DAO's findings/theft (whatever you call). I thought your name seemed familiar, but I do not always participate in the chatter. I was an early bitcoin adopter too. Then I got around to ethereum. Did a fun ICO - http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/news/2147-2017kybernetwork-loiluu/ But near December last year, I donated the cash value of almost all of my bitcoins to Bill & Meli
ben_vulpes: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bill-gates-says-he-would-short-bitcoin-if-there-was-an-easy-way-to-do-it-2018-05-07 << moar wrinkly old men
mircea_popescu: http://philoctetes.free.fr/parmenidesunicode.htm << parmenides with ye olde burnet translation, for the mentally voracious.
mircea_popescu: it ~does~ have a vibe, which sure could be classified that way ; or any other way. "Πειθοῦς ἐστι κέλευθος - Ἀληθείῃ γὰρ ὀπηδεῖ - ἡ δ ́ ὡς οὐκ ἔστιν τε καὶ ὡς χρεών ἐστι μὴ εἶναι, τὴν δή τοι φράζω παναπευθέα ἔμμεν ἀταρπόν·" whartever.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 14:50 Framedragger: i like my rc airplanes. "the will of history necessitates you to X" has a marx'ified hegelian vibe :p
asciilifeform: iirc d00d did have some parting word to the effect of 'leave me to my model airplanes'
mircea_popescu: well, more's the question what didn't find.
asciilifeform: gotta wonder what he found on the shrew planet, that was worth staying for.
asciilifeform: ( coupla yrs back, a heninger-type academitard demonstratively pretended to do this, with the typical null output )
mircea_popescu: mentioned in log, possibly what actually done Framedragger_ in, he went to talk to the shrews
mircea_popescu: if the sulfa killed it it was definitely bacterial ; the whole "after rain" story is very streptoccocus. you don't want to end up with an entrenched infection, this is how people end up with lifelong sinusitis and other such unpleasantries.
mircea_popescu: so make an appt ; doctor's visit is what, 50 bux, 100 if you're really going to the spa.
BingoBoingo: Nah, but I also don't want to hand over cash if it can be avoid it. And the Urgency is substantially less than yesterday.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, in 8 days I get to use all of this bullshit tax stuff paid here to get my not-Obamacare. Optimistically if I only need the number and not the physical card I could see a doctor as soon as tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: A kilo or so of icecream will probably be involved somewhere along the way.
BingoBoingo: Then tomorrow I appear with my paperwork at the Department of identity, then next Tuesday I pick up the Cedula.
BingoBoingo: Nearly feeling good enough for a grocery run. Prolly going to get juice, blue cheese, and whatever the local equivalent of crackers is
BingoBoingo: AHA, Considering that or the peach juice
BingoBoingo: Sitting, standing, walking in circles, and occasionally using the stairs.
BingoBoingo: In the hostel, drinking water, and breathing much easier
mircea_popescu: a nice then.
mircea_popescu: do you have a 2nd person there in case you need anything ? the venezoelana or what was it ?
asciilifeform wonders whether they have a stable of dedicated boecks for such 'discoveries', or if disposables
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ah but you see, "nobody reads trilema" hurr durr, it is a DISCOVERY in 2018. because "the press" hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: not that anyone in the know didn't know, the whole fucking deal is physical-space-for-prison in orcland for online-space-for-excell fuckery in empire imaginary virtualand.
mircea_popescu: the laugh of all time.
mircea_popescu: he had the keys". cuz, again, soberania.
mircea_popescu: big scandal in romania these days, btw, because "it turns out" that in 2005 the ustards exported their spy-on-citizens system they brought up online sometime post 2001, and the romanians of course used it to spy on, eg, members of the csat ("supreme council of defense", funny communist leftover item, after the soviet model). and you know, ex "generals" going to the media with "the cia boss, the fbi boss and the military attac
mircea_popescu: aha. or rather -- they're the funnel for which the nsa new development was even made.
mircea_popescu: for the same money, wella extended its commitment to #AI with the announcement of two dozen new blonde hair dyes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, emc, ie "We have extended our commitment to #AI with the announcement of two new 4-socket servers, the PowerEdge R840 and the PowerEdge R940xa. Explore " ?
mircea_popescu: сланина < there!
asciilifeform: ( in so far as asciilifeform could see with naked eye : most of the nonempty racks were full of emc. gigagonnes of it. )
asciilifeform: the wat
mircea_popescu: gotta store the slano somewhere.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the neighbouring racks were not all empty, interestingly.
mircea_popescu: i expect you actually own 100% of all computers ever shipped to uruguay. the rest is in extraterritorial zone.
asciilifeform: ( considering BingoBoingo's earlier discovery that almost all industrial comps ever imported there, are via contracts with microshit/dell/minions )
asciilifeform also wonders whether there isn't a hidden symbiosis between the usg.corp derps who prolly ship ~100% of the rackable comps ever before shipped to UY, and the 'we want a cut of that printolade you print' bridgetrolls
asciilifeform: the funny/sad bit, is that i found enuff local material sources that it ~is~ possible to , say, make racks for rockchippen on-site, with some effort. BUT the chance of getting more than a handful of raw pcbs un-encased in protective 'old server' chassis, through orc checkpoint, is ~0
mircea_popescu: yeah, because pouring concrete in matrices is like the height of white man's craft, not even black women i'm sorry, WOMEN OF AFRICA ever tried this with ground up mud and spitpies.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun think they even know how to make own drainpipes, much less these
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, remember that time we needed like 100kgs worth of sheet metal profiles, ended up having to fly them over with white man's airship because local orcs can't bend metal along predetermined lines ?
mircea_popescu: la franquicia para compras por internet de particulares uruguayos << the franchize for internet purchases FROM local private parties is the correct solution. but not only did they lift the bureaucratese, they lifted it wholesale, "de" now means "of" like english works, because why the fuck not, soberania.
asciilifeform: 'oh noez somebody might buy not from the local orcs'
mircea_popescu: (anyway, i'm mostly joking. THEY don't know how to speak their previous colonizer's language, and so they say "to buy from locals" when they mean "the buying of locals". w/e)
asciilifeform: betcha whole story is really a rerun of the old mircea_popescu article with the anti-busstop protesters
asciilifeform: it'd do 0 for us, is the point.
mircea_popescu: local fermented beverages, how the fuck do i know what orcs trade.
mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck composes those "3 cupos per ano"
mircea_popescu: holy shit, the retards. not only are they ever going to use a "smart"phone to go on a website, they DON'T EVEN FUCKING KNOW HOW TO MAKE A WEBSITE ANYMORE.
mircea_popescu: batshit insane fucking system they got, incidentally. why not just make a govt amazon, force locals to use it if they don't wanna pay tax.
mircea_popescu: by the time they're bringing out the "ampararse" and "franquicia" you know they're blowing bubbles out their ass.
mircea_popescu: if you want to take advantage of the ... "right" to buy from local individuals (3 items per year)
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 11:16 diana_coman: Framedragger, did you ever publish somewhere re the customs fee you had to pay for your fg(s)?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i don't get it, what's the problem ? ~exact spanish translation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719423
asciilifeform: in other sads, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YP3Gz/?raw=true ( tldr -- BingoBoingo will probably not get that parcel )
mircea_popescu: really now, a 6 foot 5 dude that evolutionarily exists to outrun turkeys in flight ; a 4 foot pigmy that evolutionarily exists to fit comfortably under elephants and poke their belly with a spear from underneath and some fat government worker are "the nation of Africa" ? for the same money the average sex of mankind is rabbit.
mircea_popescu: but srsly now, this whole "race" mental cockroach, especially when by "race" is meant things like "the nation of africa" (really bitch ? every saw a guy from senegal ?) or "asia" or whaterver the fuck is SO transparently a redditard's ploy to put the world through the juicer and get "just the facts" out, preferably in the same sort of ram buffer his middle school education required, which is four pictures and five bullet poin
mircea_popescu: but you can generally tell these all come from the same source the conceits of "racism" or "democracy" come from. because what the FUCK is "asian" even ? a notion similar to "ant".\
mircea_popescu: otherwise you know, as far as pantsuit media outlets / science (ie, wankish fantasy with no reality support whatsoever) goes, there's https://asiangirlsbelongtowhitemen.tumblr.com/ https://sissyasianboy.tumblr.com/post/173275119419/all-asian-boys-should-be-castrated-and-turned-into https://asianwhiteworship.tumblr.com/post/169628017674/the-new-asian-sexuality-an-asian-girl-fucking-her etc etc etc.
mircea_popescu: not afaik ? ~this~ is the classical. the "black power" stuff is it with the colors swapped neh ? like "cocoa milk, in case you were getting bored with all milk beinbg white" marketing thing ?
asciilifeform: is, but with the colours swapped neh
mircea_popescu: wait, this isn't the classic genre ?!
asciilifeform: lol interesting reversal of the classic genre
mod6: Still raining there?
BingoBoingo: The productive cough is more productive, but at least the color is substantially improved
mircea_popescu: and in other battlegear, https://78.media.tumblr.com/376fc109b9ef2f5d26c88f856c576801/tumblr_onnqhpST2Q1uogw2mo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: inb4 the next mosul lulz (aka "great success of barefoot negresses on the world diplomacy stage") will be the coallition capture of rebel islamabad.
trinque: ah maybe, can go in too. oughta be minimal crud, and clearly contained in one function. couple of whatever they call the implementation identifying macros.
trinque: (think, when this is done, we have a basis for a vtronic lisp repository, aside a vtronic portage, and all the rest)
trinque: can implement a "run-program" of our own in here, implement for sbcl and ccl. I don't know that I've heard of anyone here using another.
trinque: wise thing to do is muntz off these foreign entanglements. v needs to stand on its own as much as possible, and ever more so.
mircea_popescu: esthlos, people throwing their hands in despair over something [they thought] you said is always way the fuck preferable to people throwing up their hands in despair over something you did -- specifically because there's a lot more room to misinterpret what's said than what's done.
trinque: the parsing here is pretty simple, oughta be able to implement without hauling in a big honking dep
trinque: I'd also like to see the cl-ppcre dependency drop (not only for the call out to quicklisp to obtain it)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-03 01:15 mircea_popescu: esthlos, a) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774760 ; b) how does your item handle the original http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794417 problem ?
esthlos: trinque: no, I didn't jump off the deep end without discussing it. I've already made the interface changes
trinque: I intentionally aimed you at "fix the interfaces" because it appeared that was the thing most glaringly wrong with it, and not all this
trinque: esthlos: so at least less to change about your v-tron right? though definitely *read* the others so you're more certain you understand what the thing is.
mircea_popescu: well yes, but you don;'t have to be. i get it, in general everything's crap, but dja think i'd even for a second have permitted it if it were ? the stuff about, it's all stuff that somehow survived the republican demolition frenzy. it's not just random gunk.
mod6: moar forum then :]
esthlos: indeed. I am rather lonely, in general
mircea_popescu: they're there to help, not to hinder, all the accumulated piles of previous materiel. or does this not seem so ?
mircea_popescu: but doesn't the sadness of solipsism strike you ? it's not hard enough to have to go to war, you'll do it naked and barefoot and hope you can find some flint to make a spear before the vietcong finds you and gangrapes you ?!
mircea_popescu: the idea was that it'd work passively to determine order in afore-ambiguous situations.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: what I took away from your comment was that the philosophy file was to be used to determine vpatch ancestry, rather incorrectly it seems