ave1: asciilifeform, the .../temp//ada-musl-cross-2018-04-30/bin is empty?
ave1: asciilifeform, the dev/null is a mistake but should not matter much (I will remove it)
asciilifeform: ( the dir i specified as destination, is empty )
asciilifeform: but the built compilers are nowhere to be seen
spyked: ave1, np, thanks for providing the scripts! I'll be using the x86_64 one as the default gnat toolchain, at least until I get my hands on an ARM64 board.
ave1: spyked, thanks for the testing!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 14:46 spyked: native gcc on the system is indeed >4 (5.4 to be more precise), but I expected that one to not be used at all? anyway, that might it. in this case I expect my next run to finish without trouble.
spyked: ave1, I can confirm your latest scripts worked on sane build machine (gentoo with gcc 4.9). I tested vtools under qemu-aarch64 with success. as for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817662 , I'm declaring that OS as broken, not worth the bother.
ave1: and build retried, I updated the post here: http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-always-static/
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:02 asciilifeform: in ru prison argot, this is also called 'to be a mouse', and is seen as equally damning as 'to be a rat' ( steal from one's fellows , rather than the engl meaning of snitch )
asciilifeform: to continue on this occasion the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809296 culture lesson thread : the 'i silently hated you for 2y' thing , was called 'to be a snake', i.e. 'coil up for long time and much later bite', and is a sin.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-01 01:17 mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-31 19:07 shinohai: As for lobbes, I care little for your ratings or whatever other thoughts you may harbor - I haven't forgotten that < 2 years ago you said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-05-2016#1449250 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449253, which indicates to me you are little more than a yeasayer. I can find your type on reddit all day long.
deedbot: lobbes rated shinohai -2 << old woman. See also: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Alobbes+rot+in+heathendom
lobbes: I don't even care for your point at this point. Adiós anciana, I hope you rot in heathendom.
lobbes: rned basics of v operation, stood up a trb node, and I don't plan to stop there. So what's your point?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-31 19:07 shinohai: As for lobbes, I care little for your ratings or whatever other thoughts you may harbor - I haven't forgotten that < 2 years ago you said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-05-2016#1449250 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-05-2016#1449253, which indicates to me you are little more than a yeasayer. I can find your type on reddit all day long.
lobbes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-31#366191 << You know, I was still going to rate you positively on the basis of your service to the republic, but then I thought "why?". You decide that on your way out the door you'll try and casually attack my reputation on the basis of... what exactly? Yeah, I made those comments. But then I sat, thought, came to my senses, left kako to rot, joined #t, built an auction bot, built an archive process, lea
mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents The State of Bitcoin Address : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-June/000301.html
asciilifeform: trinque: out of curiosity, why ? ( any derp can register, e.g., Trinque, or Mircea_Popescu ? what's the point of permitting this..? )
trinque: probably had the parameters reversed
trinque: how bout a little more context there bud
phf: right, the approach is sort of one step removed from naive brute force, and now you're paying with extra memory for the index
asciilifeform: ( i elementarily haven't the memory to make this work reasonably )
asciilifeform: can't exactly scrape the renderer tho.
asciilifeform: messages. tho the renderer would be nice also.
phf: you mean copy of his renderer, or the original usenet messages?
asciilifeform: incidentally phf , the keeper of ^ archive never answered asciilifeform's mail re providing a copy. so really oughta scrape it before it evaporates.
phf: there are bits and pieces of code in the usenet, i actually use one of naggum's functions extensively: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3115568738543631@naggum.no.html
asciilifeform: whatever the debt collectors didn't take.
asciilifeform: phf: moar likely, some combo of simply leaving to gather dust, and throwing out
phf: right after his death his "estate" posted that the archives of naggum's work will be published "soon", outcome not surprising. i suspect somebody illiterate saw magic runes, decided that sits on lead to gold technology, "to be monetized when i retire"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-31 21:39 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1819989 << i believe the only piece of "naggum emacs" that was available at any point is his patches against emacs 20 to remove MULE (and maybe also provide his own, unicode based alternative)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820079 << currently, simply boots ( and runs, sans networking, but userland - gcc etc. -- work, and can emerge proggies from heathenos under chroot. ) the remaining iron is expected to work once i get a patched kernel (with baked-in mods) built.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819488 << i vaguelly suspect that's something i need to do, but i don't know if i'm willing to go through the whole song and dance with american medical professionals (tm) to extract the medication out of them. might be easier to wait till my next trip to russia..
a111: Logged on 2018-05-31 15:48 asciilifeform: in other noose, unmodified pizarro pilotplant rootfs ( as published in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 and to rc customers ) boots ( with, for the time being , heathen kernel ) on cp101pa .
phf: i remember seeing the archive.org version of the relevant page, but i think the correspond tar.gz was not in archive, and i gave up tryin to track it down
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1819989 << i believe the only piece of "naggum emacs" that was available at any point is his patches against emacs 20 to remove MULE (and maybe also provide his own, unicode based alternative)
diana_coman: shinohai's blog looks slick and I wish him all the best but his post reads to me as a full-blown collection of strawmen (what "consensus decided"? what is "official reason given" even supposed to mean exactly? etc); at most I can read it as a mistaken "if not a lord then not a member either" but an honest mistake is just about the most positive reading I can do of that thing
lobbes: asciilifeform: Ftr, my original !!unrate of shinohai was reflective of the fact that I could not at the time discern if he was coming/going/passive-aggressively-whatevering. When I return to my key I'll rate the guy positively as this satisfies my earlier stated criteria of "there are ways to gracefully exit while preserving reputation"
trinque: it'd be pointlessly wasteful to say falling out of lordship is the end of all productive life.
asciilifeform: lobbes: imho better like this ( or for that matter, like, e.g., cazalla , in the past ) than to silently vanish
asciilifeform: in other noose, unmodified pizarro pilotplant rootfs ( as published in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 and to rc customers ) boots ( with, for the time being , heathen kernel ) on cp101pa .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: give my regards to the ocelots
asciilifeform: but theoretically should port, same chipset.
asciilifeform: or possibly i misread and it was the easier c201.
asciilifeform: in other potential finds, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-05-03 << d00d claims to have clean uboot for c101pa . no complete srcball posted tho, as far as i was able to find, yet
spyked: apologies again for the noise. should be alright now.
spyked: ave1, yep. the process is not refined yet (getting the encrypted OTPs from deedbot is a tad irksome, gotta sift through cl-irc messages), but getting there.
ave1: the bot is using a list of OTPs?
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819960 <-- dunno why I was convinced that they go up to 4GB. would be quite disappointing otherwise, yes. /me is waiting for official release.
mircea_popescu: if not prosthetic limb, what is a dildo.
asciilifeform: my emacs does not have this problem. prolly on account of the MB or so of multigenerational elisp in'ere
esthlos: well, then I have to spin up my buffers again
asciilifeform: so that 1 emacs can wedge and hang ALL of them ? nothx
asciilifeform: (useful to others, i mean. to me -- very useful)
esthlos: thanks for the rc
asciilifeform: esthlos: re: .ratpoisonrc : it is different on diff boxen, because screen res. here's http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LmIrz/?raw=true the one from the box i happen to be sitting at just now.
asciilifeform: know what asciilifeform won't miss at all when we dump fleanode ? how about the join/part vermin.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 12:10 diana_coman: esthlos, "is expected to read and understood before use" -> to read and understand the code?
asciilifeform: one would have to be a complete idiot to buy 2 of the linked golden toilets ( supposing they were in fact for sale, which they dun appear to be, tho vendor site still alive and claiming )
asciilifeform found 2G to be the barest min. that can run continuously
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 18:39 ave1: I build that one on qemu (for further development I ordered an A64 from olimex, but the one I want is still out of stock)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819855 <-- same here. and from what I understand, they're also planning to launch a RK3328-based board soon (announcement: https://olimex.wordpress.com/2018/01/16/a20-som204-and-som204-evb-preliminary-info-is-uploaded-on-our-web/ ). OTOH the specs look perfect for a ARM64-based trb machine.
mod6: Elliot's scraps of various colored paper with all sorts of flicks-of-the-pen (and many zeros!) are not compatible with the immutable machine. And thus, will not be honored.
mircea_popescu: "oh, this here pile of paper IS WORTH MORE THAN RUSSIA. oh that there item larger than russia is NOT WORTH ANYTHING!!!! hurr!!! MARKET!!!"
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 14:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the thread about the ICBC that's about as large as the sum total of us banks yet trades in ny on the pink sheets ?
asciilifeform: like erry other ameristock lol
ben_vulpes: someone call the impact investors: for every XX dollars you bid up the starbucks stock, we'll take a day off to self-flagellate!
asciilifeform: why would it show up in the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193376 'markets' , lol
asciilifeform: ( how did asciilifeform find out ? happened to walk by a door of a shitbux, there was an actual printed mea culpa affixed to the door ! )
asciilifeform: the related phunphakt, is that 1) shitbux is publicly traded 2) incident made ~no visible ding on the price
BingoBoingo: AHA, Starbucks is getting into the homeless shelter business now!
ben_vulpes: complete with "gtfo, this won't change anything" from the normal blm suspects
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didja catch the related lul, where all of 'starbucks' ( amer. burned/ersatz coffee chain ) was 'voluntarily' closed for entire day, to atone for some clerk somewhere having thrown out black bum
asciilifeform: musltronic static elf does seem to contain ~something~ that varies; looks to be the right size for timestamp turd. definitely on the conveyor.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 19:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819882 << i'll bet you it's the "absolutely must have" dns resolver.
asciilifeform: also ftr they loudly curse when you photo'em but do not rise to fists.
asciilifeform: tho who knows how many, after N times of dumping into and out of the crate with rusty chainsaws, wrenches, etc, still ran
mircea_popescu: aha there we go
mircea_popescu: existed in tm too, holdout from the 90s. i dunno if we visited or no time
asciilifeform: i was puzzled re wtf all of that was for. now apparerently mircea_popescu has the key.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 19:04 asciilifeform: or at least will be, once we find and kill with fire whatever turd it is in gcc that shits current unix time into the bin
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819882 << i'll bet you it's the "absolutely must have" dns resolver.
mircea_popescu: for a while in the early 90s one could see local tinboxes with say mercedes wheel cover glued/wired to the hood.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806515 << recall the black genius kid who made a clock out of "household materials" such as... a clock ?
mircea_popescu: ie, in the way "tech geniuses" of the empire genius their genius : stolen item with serials shaved off, or as it's known nowadays, "the black clock". http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806616
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, oh, i recall. except weren't days of ms-dos, were days of dos and ms was barking at the edges to be let in.
mircea_popescu: 'oh look, the news." "mmmkay. so... did anything good/useful/cool happen today ?" "i dunno, let's check #trilema"
mircea_popescu: its such a pleasure, reading these logs.
asciilifeform: or at least will be, once we find and kill with fire whatever turd it is in gcc that shits current unix time into the bin
trinque: and down the line I'd be thrilled to get reproducible build patches for it.
asciilifeform: really oughta be the default, aha
trinque: while on the subj of gcc, it would be very nice to get ave1's version in as the default gcc on cuntoo.
ave1: the script can build a ppc64 little endian gcc cross compiler (I tried this a while ago, I'll have to do that again with the current state of the script)
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ bare iron mips, specifically, rather than linux-
ave1: I build that one on qemu (for further development I ordered an A64 from olimex, but the one I want is still out of stock)
ave1: On aarch64 it creates the last 2, for some reason (might be not enough memory on my aarch64) I could not get it to produce a aarch64->amd64 compiler
ave1: The script can also run on aarch64 with that last one
ave1: Yes, so in this version I changed the config of gcc so that it only and always produces static
asciilifeform: ( nobody, presently, has a multronic gentoo for arm, so the dynamic-musl thing was 100% junk )
ave1: the new one does not need that anymore (always static)
ave1: the previous release does work, but needs -static flag at all times
asciilifeform: iirc diana_coman is waiting for the amd64 one.
asciilifeform: ave1: that's specifically the item i'm interested in.
ave1: I'll also post the resulting ada aarch64 compiler
asciilifeform itches to supply folx with ready-to-eat gnat-on-rockchip, both on pizarro cluster and in the flensed c101pa box
asciilifeform: ave1: lemme know when you got the real deal ready for test.
asciilifeform: ave1: you wouldn't be the first to tar up wrong dir for a release, lol
ave1: asciilifeform, I'm sorry for this. I ran the build multiple times so I'm not sure how the patch found it's way into the last release. Fix is on it's way. (fix is to remove the patch, gmp-4.3.2-2.musl.diff from the patches directory)
mircea_popescu: spyked, first, you give injuns plastic beads, "just like" their bone beads. THEN you install "american bone bead factory". logix.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-19 02:04 asciilifeform: '2017-02-21: The patch is surreptitiously snuck into the Monero codebase in pull request #1744. It is kept secret to prevent it being used to attack other CryptoNote coins.'
asciilifeform: ( the others being the z-whatevers, 2 of'em and i can't recall how they differed, the one with 'z-snark' and other other, with the magical rng seed)
asciilifeform: at any rate, in so far as i can tell 'monero' is simply 1 of 3 or 4 tor-style honeypots for the dimwitted 'death ray plot' candidates in the shitcoin space.
asciilifeform: 'redditus loads up on doge without any such explanations; so why not these folk also' i suspect was it.
asciilifeform: he seemed puzzled by the very idea of an audience that demands an explanation of mechanism.
mircea_popescu: that being the alternative available explanation, not that i credit it. "oh, it's too hard to explain to these people wtf, i'd rather just doodle".
a111: Logged on 2014-10-02 21:28 mircea_popescu: davidlatapie i have nfi idea what monero is because in spite of being invited fluffypony doesn't want to give the group a presentation. the comment is just as to the improbable nature of the name. why mew and what's someone not in on the jokes to make of it.
a111: Logged on 2014-09-09 14:10 mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 15:24 asciilifeform: troo, more or less all usg scamola has a designated 'author' who, however, even if wired to the mains cannot give an arithmetically consistent statement of how it works
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, no, dude came to #b-a to see what's being said re monero / what can be used by monero / whatever. finger on pulse. the meet-up was http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/
mircea_popescu: you still don't understand how stealing the having been stolen from works, huh.
spyked: mircea_popescu, may be. but then I have no idea why mediapro filmed the last (bestest etc., according to them) movie in the series in 2008. musta been an attempt at revival.
mircea_popescu: the iq this defined ~just abou sums~, meaning if a group of 101 peeps contains 100 ppl of iq 10 and one guy of -1k iq, the group net result will be 0.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : if results are negative, iq is a negative exponential the result- resource disparity ; if results are positive, iq is a positive logarithmic of same disparity.
asciilifeform: what's the intended model.
asciilifeform: i find it a puzzler, what the cartoon these folx are watching inside their heads, even ~is~. (e.g. it ain't as if, say, lenin, 'accomplished' by 'normal people visiting')
mircea_popescu: AND THEN DID NOT ACCOMPLISH GOAL.
mircea_popescu: being retarded has, over being THIS fucking stupid, the serious advantage of 50 or so IQ points.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 15:19 asciilifeform: in other lulz, via BingoBoingo's links, 'The Daily Stormer is being sued by Jewish terrorists. In order to survive, we need shekels. Send BTC or XMR. This site will be shut down if we don’t win this.'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, have not forgot. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819761 ; but somehow FORGOT the part where he comes here, explains he's been stupid and why and wherefore. much like ers is STILL to face the dysfunctional idiocy of his collaboration.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, holy shit, these morons. "oh we just want to get along". WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE.
mircea_popescu: spyked, not ignoring ; replacing. THAT is why diehard, otherwise who the fuck cares.
a111: 2016-03-24 <fluffypony> otherwise you learn nothing and you're forever forced to wallow in your own ignorance
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 09:22 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819346 <-- funnily enough, one of the first (at least AFAIK) pointedly american pieces seen on tv in romania was promoted by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728889 in its first year of existence, "die hard" w/bruce willis. they still air it every year in december. this completely ignoring the fact that romanians had their very own diehard-mcclane since the '70s, i.e. comisarul moldovan.
asciilifeform: ( last time i bothered to look, it was also a sort of final refuge of botnet artists, being one of the few major shitcoins that has not yet been raped by chinese asic makers )
asciilifeform: troo, more or less all usg scamola has a designated 'author' who, however, even if wired to the mains cannot give an arithmetically consistent statement of how it works
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: XMR is the "ring signature" thing fluffypony defected to
asciilifeform: ( if anyone forgot -- this is the weev crackpottery, that somehow oh-we-must-use-dns etc )
asciilifeform: in other lulz, via BingoBoingo's links, 'The Daily Stormer is being sued by Jewish terrorists. In order to survive, we need shekels. Send BTC or XMR. This site will be shut down if we don’t win this.'
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
spyked: but I will rebase the rss bot on top of this afterwards and I'll ping you right before I bring rss in-chan.
spyked: trinque, no, the bot doesn't do anything yet. but there'll be likely some join/part spam. and I'm also wondering whether it should try to self-voice when it gets a -v
diana_coman: esthlos, "is expected to read and understood before use" -> to read and understand the code?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-25 18:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, to revisit the matter of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728843 : adrian sirbu, possibly the only romanian to have done anything since 1989 (he created the deliberate usg tool Pro Tv in 1995, a media company whose wikipedia page no longer mentions him -- very much a successful equivalent of the failed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666048), has recently been accused of... you'll guess this not ? TERRORISM!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 00:58 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819266 << the shoemaker's favourite tv , allegedly
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819346 <-- funnily enough, one of the first (at least AFAIK) pointedly american pieces seen on tv in romania was promoted by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728889 in its first year of existence, "die hard" w/bruce willis. they still air it every year in december. this completely ignoring the fact that romanians had their very own diehard-mcclane since the '70s, i.e. comisarul moldovan.
esthlos: I should mention that I had some trouble pressing it using mod6's v. After the press, the thing complained that the hashes don't match. But if you check it manually, it works out
asciilifeform: i went to look for voice, this was the only one that didn't, apparently , do it with mouth full...
douchebag: At the hotel I'm at right now, I have a perfect view of Trump tower
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-genesis-or-who-presses-the-pressor/ << esthlos - esthlos-V Genesis, Or: Who Presses the Pressor?
mod6: yeah, not much has changed in the editor-game as far as I know. but i'm kinda old school like that.
Mocky: mod6, I don't mind the learning curve. Back in the day I used emacs in viper mode on a slackware disto built from a two foot stack of 3.5in floppies and thought I was the shit. but a couple decades outta that game, just wondering if there's anything new. The full extent of what I know exists: emacs, vi(m), nano, ed, ex, gedit.
mod6: <+Mocky> vim, I could never get used to having modes. didn't feel right. but I know a lot of people like it << Vi/M can have a steep learning curve, but once you're good at it, it can ramp up your efficiency quite a bit imho. however, if you need something simple, there's always 'nano' or whatever.
esthlos: lobbes: yeah, not arm. based on https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-lang/php the arm64 coverage looks bad
esthlos: I also killed the part of wordpress which adds line breaks to raw html code, which I will make a vpatch for at some point
esthlos: ben_vulpes: I took the default theme (Kubrick), ripped out most of the php, and tweaked the css. at some point I plan to go through https://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development and develop a proper theme, but I've placed it as low priority
ben_vulpes: esthlos: what'd you do for theming? i just took a look at "toolbox" at BingoBoingo's request, have you ever touched that?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 05:56 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799701 << esthlos, how'd you resolve this? I'm having the same issue with mp-wp saying php is missing the mysql extension, despite having the mysql USE flag set when I emerged php5.6. Full details of my issue here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zNr0A/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: how did that go, "to obtain random strings on linux, give a windows person vim and ask them to exit"
asciilifeform: objectively odd, ye olde bbet was not only still in the saddle but riding at its peak...
mircea_popescu: i write most of my code in the terminal.
asciilifeform hasn't met many emacsists who say anything other than 'i use grudgingly'
trinque: eh begrudgingly, as the most tunable pile of insane bullshit I can tolerate.
Mocky would love to hear about them
asciilifeform: Mocky: there's quite a few folx here who use non-emacs editors
Mocky: what's the story on source code editors on linux? "emacs or gtfo" ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, someone made a porny dune 1 ( http://gamcore.com/games/behind_the_dune )
asciilifeform: of the thing that you read.
jurov: the client does it
asciilifeform: i mean the item you mentioned above. that generates tx.
jurov: you mean the server? yes, some time ago
jurov: i have read the code
asciilifeform: jurov: and how do you know what the transaction the closedblob output, is ? i.e. that it goes to the addr you gave (i.e. the gox's) rather than some other ?
jurov: I feed it inputs and keys manually via the console, then paste resulting shitcoin transaction somewhere. That's why I said it's somewhat slow.
asciilifeform: jurov: what means 'only the code' ?
jurov: asciilifeform: i understand you like to blow your fuses over electrum, but I do *not* use electrum online, only the code.
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes I can do the exchange.
asciilifeform: ( cursory look at heathendom sources suggests that thiel's thing is finally, as of mar. 2018, properly dead and buried )
asciilifeform: thiel, apparently, built ( threatened to build? i dun follow the subj... ) a tanker, anchor somewhere, and play similar game to orig 'sealand' . what he lacks, however is the business model ( apparently sealand had a business model, and raked in some dough , briefly -- britain had no commercial radio, at one time, and sealand 'pirate' station accepted ads from brits , paid through proxies )
asciilifeform: also revealed ( not in confidence, this was party with buncha folx ) that thiel ( apparently, friend of his ) is still pushing it, and is frustrated re 'lack of young people with any sense' , 0 takers to crew the lulztanker.
asciilifeform: then he conceded, more or less, that the whole 'micro-nations' crackpottery, was lame, for more or less the reasons described by mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: d00d in his, iirc, 90s. so i ask him about ye olde 'sealand isp'. he waves hand, 'eh, was lame, they could do nothing serious because upstream net access was easily cut'
asciilifeform: 'quit , didn't want to be yet another grunt on yet another particle collider', went into ordinary engineering.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in recent lulz : asciilifeform ran into the d00d in http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-start-your-own-country-adnotated/ , in meatspace
asciilifeform: upstack : congrats to BingoBoingo , subscriber of the last ( in pilot plant ) rockchip !!
asciilifeform: trinque: dun forget to install the usg root certs!111111
trinque: or the OS build process that says "first you go see usg.google.gentoo"
mircea_popescu: "the world", don't you know. which world ? "oh, you know, the imaginary item we produced". what we ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
asciilifeform: ahaha yes the 'science' where 'can haz rawdata.txt ?' 'fuckoff terrorist'
mircea_popescu: and yet the pretense is ~every fucking time~ that "science" and bla bla.
asciilifeform: the set of 'meanings derived from meaning' accessible in practical work is quite small.
mircea_popescu: there's meaning derived from meaning and then there's meaning derived from authority, and the shitgnomes trying to pretend equality only confuses matters.
mircea_popescu: the concept of "political dependency" is actually a rather important one. it most valuably organizes the world.
asciilifeform: full src is in all of the rk boxen.
asciilifeform: there's nothing specifically arm-istic about it, either, same tarballs as used on x86 boxen
asciilifeform: ^ yes, there is a asciilifeform-signed curated gentoo set !
trinque: what moved is the constellations of musl and non-musl versions of ebuilds; gotta align the stars again, then take a picture
asciilifeform: trinque: imho the rockchip set is your best bet then. it is as minimal as i knew how to make.
trinque: there'll be a whole archeological process of making vpatches for useful ebuilds, but the initial item needs to be small as possible
trinque: so I wont be making a release until I again have a whole-item which builds, and then there'll be a genesis vpatch for the portage tree, and goodbye emerge --sync, and layman, and every other external political dependency
asciilifeform: trinque: would there be value in offering my /usr/portage/distfiles as a mirror ?
trinque: not only, they delete ebuilds
trinque: asciilifeform: yes, shitgnomes in both the gentoo and musl-overlay portage trees continued their brownian motion and diana_coman for example couldn't build, one day
mircea_popescu: you were there for the threads, neh, diana_coman working with ave1 to get it going ?
asciilifeform: hm i thought the eulora server was up and going ??
mircea_popescu: there's a progression to things.
mircea_popescu: so far we're having some trouble getting the whole shebang to do eulora server, and so on.
asciilifeform: trinque: it's a valid q imho, tho, whether an adatronic irc oughta be baked
asciilifeform: ( naturally you'd run the frontend on localhost strictly )
asciilifeform: so potentially the genesis would not be junk, but could be productively reused.
asciilifeform: however it is not necessarily the case that it'd be a total writeoff. a irc frontend for gossip station would ( iirc we discussed this ) not be useless, it would eliminate the chore of writing chat clients
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the issue isn't whether we should have proper rt comms ; the issue is why the fuck would i want an intermediate step here. i don't, it's a great way to waste manhours.
mircea_popescu: trinque, the whole fucking idea is to replace it once and good, with gossipd.
trinque: if the circumstance arose where somebody lifted "asciilifeform" I wouldn't be opposed to changing the alias string for same key to "alfredalfer" as I've handled expired keys in the past, by proving control of key to me
asciilifeform: aha, so not 100% cured , then ?
trinque: deedbot doesn't require you be auth'd to nickserv, but does challenge you based on the nick with which you're speaking to it.
mircea_popescu: we specifically took out the gribble "functionality" of "auth state" ; nanotube was to fix his bot to match but then opted to silently not to, ended up negrated for it.
asciilifeform: ( then apparently trinque fixed this and asciilifeform slept through )
mircea_popescu: so... we've actually designed around them. dun dun dun.
mircea_popescu: there's no "auth". there's just voice. and as douchebag aptly pointed out, if you change the name nothing happens.
mircea_popescu: the true part (there's no threat to account security) comes from the fact we don't even use their derpy scheme.