mircea_popescu: it's this specific breakage, the web keeps exposing. there's apparently two ends to the pendulum : on one hand, the net routes around damage ; on the other hand, the more it does that, the more excited the damage gets about getting in the way.
mircea_popescu: myeah. but it's so mean, you know, "oh, if we turn off comments then nobody will be able to rise to the top anymore ha-HA!!! we figured out something fundamental here!"
phf: well, it's how many childhood games have the notion of a charm, a special word that gives you coveted status, without further strife. "base", "not it", "shotgun", etc. likewise the idea that once you're king, it's just wine and dancing girls for the rest of your life. the labeling game on which the whole house of cards is built.
mircea_popescu: btw, i hope that's adequate payment for all the j/p spam ?
mircea_popescu: ti's very much highschooler syndrome. "oh, i guess we're the seniors now" "why ?" "do you see any other seniors in the cafeteria ?" "well, not in the cafeteria you go to" "word."
mircea_popescu: "high profile bloggers" figure status and performance should be divorceable. this happens about 2-3 times every decade, with a new crop of "high profile bloggers" who a) misjudge their status and b) figure they'll discover shit.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dangling em in the footnotes
mircea_popescu: phf, it's recurrent, basically very much the http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ issue
asciilifeform: relatedly, mircea_popescu-was-right(tm)(r), asciilifeform's blog nao has a broken stump instead of working commentron, because google's captcha crapola finally gave up the ghost, and nao i gotta figure out how to port mircea_popescu's routine...
phf: i think anti-comment is a recent (3-4 years) argument, started by a bunch of "high profile bloggers", who, after running into some heavy polemic, turned off the comments on their sites. the argument was then picked up by the various "minimalist" blogging systems (we can't be arsed to implement comments, but kottke said they are useless anyway)
mircea_popescu: you wanna drive cars that make you love driving and wanting to drive, not jalopys that encourage you sitting on the couch. and the same for everything everywhere. the stories about kids ruined for school because couldn't see and no glasses aren't made up, this was the scourge of a generation. and on it goes.
mircea_popescu: there's coffee machines that make you not really want any coffee. this is not merely a bad coffee machine.
mircea_popescu: in short, that's a ~HUMONGOUS~ cost, if the "mechanical support" alters the result from + to -.
mircea_popescu: his is not a small matter, but in fact the only large matter.
mircea_popescu: "thetarpit blog scaffolding is a few kLoC of CL, but lacks *any* editor-side interface" << understand something : i publish more than anyone, and by anyone we don't mean solo operators, we mean whole fucking outfits. there's a reason for this. the fact that trilema is comfortable to me provides those last edges of extra productivity and intellectual leverage that convert exceptional performance into mindblowing performance. t
mircea_popescu: these days...
mircea_popescu: commentary is the heart of the european intellectual tradition ; originally it seemed like such a step forward to have this commentary sorted by subject rather than, in the old style, by author. and the technology allowing it seemed genuinely revolutionary for this reason, exactly in the vein of plumbing.
mircea_popescu: spyked, the first portion is interesting imo. why shouldn't anyone be able to live comments ? something in the vein of "if every tree was carved any time anyone on the trail thought about some girl, we'd have toothpick forests" ?
phf: i like trinque's approach of publishing deeded hosts, requires vigilance on part of log reader, but at the end there's a canonical place we can fallback to, in case
spyked: I'm reserving another bot for the rss functionality. but I want to use spykedbot to make a small trilemabot example for implementing prefixed commands. spoiler: I have some code that looks up definitions in asciilifeform's ro-en dictionary ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 ), it's the smallest application that I could find that also does something useful.
spyked: in other work: does anyone object to my taking the next available prefix in http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html for spykedbot? !S fits it quite well.
spyked: plus, I tried at some point to bring in server-side dynamic content ( http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html ), but the cost of all those dependencies is still (from my pov too) big.
spyked: scaffolding), a xml-rpc handling mechanism, and many many others that the wp user may find useful; it has no dedicated db, the db is the filesystem; no web-based editor, etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 04:19 mircea_popescu: hanbot / everyone : speaking of patches for mp-wp, here's something i'd dearly love : a MASS uploader. so you don't have to upload files one by one in the webinterface.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-04 17:26 mircea_popescu: phf, it also has the advantage that it works, and VERY well. which to my knowledge is not true of any other piece of web software (alf's complaints notwithstanding, phuctor emergent codebase may qualify)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820568 <-- I also suspect that that's much of the cost of "works". leaving comments aside, thetarpit blog scaffolding is a few kLoC of CL, but lacks *any* editor-side interface (an item such as e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799520 would have to be done the old-fashioned way, moving the files manually or through ssh and maybe script this somehow, but it would be a *separate* piece of
a111: Logged on 2018-06-04 17:36 mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, it's not ~just~ mp-wp that's an eyesore here. in truth it's our whole relationship to the www that's at issue.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820598 <-- indeed it does, and precisely because of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820603 . I don't know how to design a proper comment mechanism, not necessarily because of spam (I believe mp-wp antispam works), but because I'm not convinced that everyone coming on the blog should be able to leave comments, and if they do, then what format (text-only?) etc.
spyked: step 5 will probably need to be broken into multiple sub-steps, since I will have to also publish a rss parser first, then a rss bot design document, and only then the code.
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/072-trilemabot-i.html << The Tar Pit - trilemabot [i]: introduction and self-voicing patch proposal
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/further-gay-bullshit-todo-sobre-mi-madre-la-mala-educacion/ << Trilema - Further Gay Bullshit : Todo sobre mi madre & La mala educacion
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/electroneum/status/1003021173012271104 ; amusingly forgets to mention http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
mircea_popescu: in other news, toasted almonds, black chocolate and milk coffee ftw.
esthlos: doh, I had trinque's ip set to the old in /etc/hosts, from when I tried to follow mircea_popescu 's advice and disable dns lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, item is going to be delivered below the original estimate you had anyway, from what i gather.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 15:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814276 << yes, but this encounters the following problem : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-16#1373235 ; while obviously this won't go as far as "every idea alf has", nevertheless by the time alf makes objects, and independently from nsa, then what is nsa ?
ben_vulpes: oh oh the "your time" thread.
mircea_popescu: in other items of little interest, holy shit ben affleck is a repugnant, fucktarded enemy of human civilisation.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/04/visiting-some-real-estates-in-montevideo/ << Bingo Blog - Visiting Some Real Estates In Montevideo
esthlos: last post 2017/12/30, the WIP Cuntoo installer
esthlos: trinque: I might be being thick, but your link http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820306 doesn't work for me, and I don't see the post on the rest of your site. have you posted the manifest spec somewhere?
mircea_popescu: though it turns out it was during the time of qntra forced silence
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "The incident came as France remains under a state of emergency declared after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks. << http://qntra.net/2016/02/nth-french-republic-officially-dumps-freedom/ And http://qntra.net/2016/05/nth-french-republic-raids-local-google-outpost/
mircea_popescu: Despite criticism that the legislation risks curtailing civil liberties because it codifies measures such as stop and seizure and house arrest without judicial review, most of the provisions are expected to stand."
mircea_popescu: Some of the emergency measures, notably beefed up police powers, are to be made permanent under a bill that has been approved by the lower house of parliament, the National Assembly.
mircea_popescu: "The incident came as France remains under a state of emergency declared after the 2015 Paris terrorist attacks.
mircea_popescu: so reading historical qntra or should i say hysterical qntra is quite the fucking riot, but, BingoBoingo or anyone, where\s the article about the moronic french "agents" that texted to their "jihadist" suspect ?
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of ave1 from 2 to 3 << made the very useful scripts to compile gnat for various architectures as well as other useful ada & ada+c bits; does a lot and talks a little, always on point though; writes at ave1.org
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820437 <- I can very gladly report that it works! I've re-built gnat on an x86_64; took the aarch64-native to the rockchip; unpacked, set, compiled ffa ch1 and ran, all perfectly fine; ave1 you rock!
mircea_popescu: will be adding the shares presently.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had an article where 'the carpenter said, i will stand here and hold the wall up, for small fee..'
mircea_popescu: it's symptom of "every biosack has will to live" nonsense. what, they're all gonna be entrepreneurs. pshaw.
asciilifeform: the 'web dev' nonsense where 'same code written every 6mo' is symptom of a poorly-defined problem to begin with; sorta like wound sutures that reopen
mircea_popescu: so they're fucking done. permanently. and there's nothing left for http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/#selection-97.1-52.45 posterity.
asciilifeform: again in some subfields there is a famine of solid code, in others -- not ( the payware c compiler people, microshit aside, mostly have starved, afaik )
mircea_popescu: ty, but i'd much rather COMPLETE THINGS.
mircea_popescu: what, i should write the same god damned thing every six months, like those idiots doing "cms solutions" for "Web development" "tech firms" ?
mircea_popescu: from experience, the more solid code delivered, the more demand for further solid code.
asciilifeform: some activities have this problem, others not ( restauranteurs do not have to contend with a 'i dun need to eat, i already ate in 2011' )
asciilifeform: ( tho, -- iirc it was orlol -- had a pertinent piece, on the unremovable disincentive for market players against selling durable, quality items that never need replacement or 'upgrade' etc )
mircea_popescu: or to quote the unknown russian, "you have disease of capitalist"
mircea_popescu: the same idiots always enhance cunt the same god damned way, a good dose of the clap.
asciilifeform: ( funnily enuff, the pain of 'modern' html, exactly mirrors the pain of vt 'enhanced' with 'terminal control' gnarl, 35 yrs ago )
mircea_popescu: and i don't believe www is dead tech. it may need some changes, but as such, the convenience is there, girls reading logs on gym exercise machine mounted tablets.
asciilifeform: this -- is true. scripting lang, however, has a place in life outside of wwwism -- for throwaway experiments, e.g. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html , and similar
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, it's not ~just~ mp-wp that's an eyesore here. in truth it's our whole relationship to the www that's at issue.
mircea_popescu: fuck me if i'm including all the dumbass css bs.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a proper scripting lang in general, though. that's why it even is ~a~ scripting lang, because it's by the task
mircea_popescu: and if it is, then what's wrong with php, and delineated specifically. or what, we're gonna use lua ?
phf: just to clarify my blog is mp-wp, i just bastardized the theme to the point of "improvements" being worse than original
mircea_popescu: the other problem still remains : if it is not republican doctrine to have a scriptable webatron with a separable but not separate dbsystem, then ~what is it~.
asciilifeform: junkyard wars (e.g. trb, mp-wp) where one is stuck welding a tank from 5 zaporozhets and 3 lada carcasses, because that's what there is to work with, inevitably are heavyweight
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, in theory this is a theory, but in practice his comments are still weird looking.
mircea_popescu: or w/e it is that you have in there.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's also the 2nd order effect, whereby by interacting with heretics you find out stuff like "hey, i have a memory leak"
phf: mircea_popescu: oh i'm not suggesting there's folly here, i'm a) thinking of how to better slice the beast and b) pointing out that it's not even a container issue
a111: Logged on 2018-03-26 14:28 asciilifeform: recall the gc discussion . 'scripting lang is one where progy dun live long enuff to need gc'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this is quite what i'm saying, a web publishing platform we will want, and phf is in a prime posityion to appreciate the gargantuan task of "make it from prime principles", i think.
mircea_popescu: because it is not directly evident to me what portion of the 162k loc (granted -- insane count) is due to the tower of chairs arrangement.
asciilifeform: ( funnily enuff, asciilifeform has ~own~ 'mp-wp' , made from ~same vintage of wp, that does admittedly only half of what mircea_popescu's does ( i dun have the spam filtration ) )
mircea_popescu: will you go as far as to say that writing a general purpose scriptable webatron (apache) and a "separate" (notrly) db system (mysql) is the wrong solution, and one should just write his blog software in c directly ?
mircea_popescu: phf, it also has the advantage that it works, and VERY well. which to my knowledge is not true of any other piece of web software (alf's complaints notwithstanding, phuctor emergent codebase may qualify)
phf: mp-wp is 162093 loc, 6062 of which are containered gif/png. so it's not even that base64 blobs are adding to weight. the codebase is massive
asciilifeform: ( as described by naggum & elsewhere, in the 'bathtub' piece )
asciilifeform: nao, if phf can make his vtron handle 'arbitrary' (say, up to avail. ram) masses, and without losing anything, moar power to him. but in practice something is usually sacrificed, in the name of speed/efficiency, is the worrisome bit.
asciilifeform: but history of pc , suggests grimly that they cannot
asciilifeform: all else being equal, tool that laughs at arbitrary masses of payload is theoretically better ( if folx can be trusted to 'keep it in their pants' and not to use it as excuse for bloat )
mircea_popescu: the alternative process (as displayed by some spiders etc) is very limited.
mircea_popescu: first step of any digestion is, gotta stuff it in the gullet. enzymes afterwards.
mircea_popescu: how are they to be digested, if we deliberately make the tools we use unable to grab them ?
asciilifeform: when approaching this mass, really oughta start cutting into orthogonal subsystems. and if you can't cut, the design is broken.
mircea_popescu: and we do have some such blobs in the process, so far.
phf: i can obviously fix btcbase to be more useful (i.e. continue to aid the patch exploration) in cases where a patch is big, but in general a 9mb patch seems to go against the whole fits in head
phf: right, that was the original idea, as evangelized by ascii. btcbase patch viewer is designed with that idea in mind
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 21:12 asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space
mircea_popescu: is the idea here that code should never be that long, basically ?
mircea_popescu: phf, part of the reason i keep having things sit on other things is to find out what the fuck we need to do.
asciilifeform: in other funnies: the preface in http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/trb-build-instructions.html .
phf: i'm not sure how practical that makes patch page though, it definitely doesn't open on my x60. i could perhaps introduce some split mode, where patch page only lists the hunk filenames, and you need to click on hunk to see the contents
a111: Logged on 2018-06-03 04:11 mircea_popescu: phf, what's the limit ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-03#1820367 << there isn't one, there is a peculiar bug that seems to only manifest in my lispworks dev environment. things actually work on production, though the patch page is 20mb
mircea_popescu: in other hystericals, http://trilema.com/2018/mps-guide-to-getting-crabs/#comment-125878
asciilifeform: diana_coman: very spiffy; i have added your tests to the FG www links.
BingoBoingo: Dammit mod6 you scooped the headline by minutes
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: smoosh footnotes down to the bottom of the page pls << Will see what I can do about this
mod6: ben_vulpes: thanks for posting the report for May.
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/04/rocking-fuckgoats-on-the-rock-chip/ << Ossasepia - Rocking Fuckgoats on the Rock-chip
lobbes: Best part is that the same cookie can be used for -any- download link from archive.today, and each cookie is good for 5 months, so I didn't even need to automate the scraping bit.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812127 << btw, this has been working like a charm for the download part of the archive process. I was able to do away with the phantomjs-crapolade completely.
lobbes: On my todo list is prop up an instance of the tmsr logbot on my pizarro rockchip and redo the #eulora logs to be fed from that. I built the #eulora log-o-tron back in 2015, and back then I had just typed 'ls' for the first time in my life, so I wager I can make the whole process much saner this time around.
lobbes: ^^ reads, but there is a ~1 min lag from when line is spit out until it hits lobbesbot's db (logs and bot are on separate boxen, and the logs feed the bot).
ave1: asciilifeform, also what is in the build-ada.sh? the last line on aarch64 should read: ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada aarch64 x86_64
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: enjoying the RE hunt posts
ave1: asciilifeform, could you post the contents of ' build/build-x86_64-linux-musl/binutils-2.25.1/build1/config.log'?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in some other channel, http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-04.log.html#t03:11:12
asciilifeform: incidentally ~same pill will work to cure other arm64 chrome iron. afaik the c101pa is the only one with ips panel tho, currently.
mircea_popescu: but not quite there yet.
asciilifeform: i specifically lulled over ( and in prev thread in that heathen pit, similarly ) the 'security model'
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, i think he was the builder.
mircea_popescu: he's evidently involved with the thing, is he.
asciilifeform: and confessed re where the mislabeled vendor src lives.
mircea_popescu: a. nice then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d grudgingly revealed a few hidden boobytraps, that each would take coupla wks at least, otherwise, to defuse.
mircea_popescu: anything there besides whisperersing ?
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2382 << Loper OS - Open Problem: Forcing MaskROM Mode on the Asus C101PA
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: of course it has all of them, most of the balance predates the fork. << ah, ok. well whatever makes the most sense. if we can make some BTC out of it, great, if it's a huge pain, meh.
asciilifeform: the makeopts in the config files dun do anything, tho, you gotta e.g. export MAKEOPTS="-j32 in your shell prior to building.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 19:40 asciilifeform: musltronic static elf does seem to contain ~something~ that varies; looks to be the right size for timestamp turd. definitely on the conveyor.
asciilifeform: after that : to patch the gcc , to cure http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819935 ill.
asciilifeform: the next step will be to get the dep tarball links the hell off adacore's www, and onto our own cuntoo mirror.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-02 18:36 asciilifeform: meanwhile, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820197 folx were right : >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_spirom.jpg
asciilifeform: ... this also means that c101pa ( as soon as i have a ready to roll firmware for it ) will be an out-of-the-box gnat dev station.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: all you gotta do is build, then put the tarball on your rc box, extract, and add to .bashrc e.g. PATH="/home/stas/gnat/aarch64-linux-musl-native/bin/:$PATH"; export PATH and you're up & running.
diana_coman: oh hey, that's great news! thanks for the ping asciilifeform ; and thanks ave1 for the script; I'll add it to the list to get on the rockchip
asciilifeform: on ch10 ffa: exponentiator test from end of ch.7 runs in 9.2s on dulap, and 28.4s on the test rk3328-roc-cc machine, producing correct output.
asciilifeform: ... a rk3328-roc-cc is now ready, now loading the tarball to it, about to come to the magic moment
asciilifeform: ave1: btw the parallelism worx great, thing builds on dulap in <1hr
asciilifeform: for truly dedicated entomologist, the whole thing >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8Z6bQ/?raw=true << 13337 w4r3z
mircea_popescu: whatever. the last time anyone read a book it was 1982.
mircea_popescu: well... there's no law against thanking people.
asciilifeform: aintcha just thrilled, mircea_popescu , to be features in the credits of RespectableMainstreamPress b00k, with these luminaries, mircea_popescu !111
a111: Logged on 2014-04-29 23:48 bitstein: Michael Goldstein - Founder and President of the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute - http://bitste.in/
asciilifeform: 'This book is the result of a learning process over many years, during which, I have been fortunate to learn from some very bright minds. In particular, I thank Tuur Demeester, Ryan Dickherber, Pete Dushenski, Michel Fahed, Akin Fernandez, Viktor Geller, Michael Goldstein, Konrad Graf, Pontus Lindblom, Mircea Popescu, Pierre Rochard, Nick Szabo, Kyle Torpey, and Curtis Yarvin for writings and discussions that were instrumental in dev
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8syQeFtBKc << ad, 'children, rat out terrorists nao'
BingoBoingo: <jurov> but all others I know of are worth less then bitcoin gold and traded at few obscure places, I also need blockchain explorer with inputbox where I can broadcast the tx << This looks like a reasonable bar a forkcoin has to cross to be dumpable.
jurov: so I don't consider or track them in report
jurov: but all others I know of are worth less then bitcoin gold and traded at few obscure places, I also need blockchain explorer with inputbox where I can broadcast the tx
jurov: *the forks
spyked: also, trinque, specifically re. ircbot, given that we'll have ircbot, logbot, rssbot, trilemabot etc. under the same umbrella, would it make sense to have them under a top-level dir., e.g. b/botworks/ircbot, b/botworks/logbot and so on? or should each live in a separate dir., as they do now?
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820283 <-- reading this thread, it just occured to me: is there a convention re. directory structure? the implicit one (in my own head at least) was that each project lives under its own top-level directory (e.g. b/ircbot, b/ffa, b/eucrypt, where b is the press tree). so then does the manifest reside in b/project_name_toplevel_dir/manifest?
mircea_popescu: o hey, they deliver ? progress.
mod6: i'll have to give that a try, thanks for the suggestion
mircea_popescu: shoulda taken pics / posted on blog / shamed them on whatever social media.
mircea_popescu: phf, what's the limit ?
mircea_popescu: (also, it's ~marginal mineral water, buyt for some reason the only commonly imported south of mexico)
mircea_popescu: mod6, did they break or get stolen ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-02 20:02 mircea_popescu: for instance i can't even tell whether hanbot's mp-wp genesis includes a manifest atm, by virtue of it not even being on btcbase.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820273 << hanbot's mp-wp genesis is 5.8 mb, i haven't yet figured out yet how to make btcbase not fall under the size. at the very least i need to add a caching layer, so that i'm not regenerating 5.8*n for the generated html every time
phf: disregard, i didn't read the lest of logs
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820260 << this was before, http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/#selection-11.0-37.1
mod6: Then they wanna bitch about how they got some sorta bad deal with with Amazon. Fuck you. You cocksuckers lose 5 billion per year.
mod6: Speaking of San Pelegrino, i was to have two cases delivered, and the fuckin USPS guy dropped both boxes in the street. Instead of getting 30 bottes (2 cases), I ended up with 6 bottles.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/02/the-real-estate-situation-in-montevideo-part-two/ << Bingo Blog - The Real Estate Situation In Montevideo: Part Two
mod6: lobbes: did you see the ones linked before where they cut them out of the shell? looks like a legit cock & balls.
mod6: yah, seems that way. i dunno, just whimsically changing them out.
asciilifeform: mod6: really makes no diff, the holes are isolated.
mod6: asciilifeform: naw, but some of 'em had metal screws. and my original ones came with the M3 nylon ones. so I'm gonna replace 'em with those.
BingoBoingo: lobbes: ty. I don't see a danger of that. Just when the disupte leads to confusion and a beachdick eating thread... The description of the behavior helps.
asciilifeform: mod6: out of curiosity -- didja lost the ones that came with your FG?
mod6: nice, M3 nylon screws just arrived. couldn't find these locally, had 'em delivered from shitazon.
mircea_popescu: another thing that would very well go into the comment section there would be proposals for patch naming conventions.
mod6: jurov: if we have other shitcoins because of whatever forks of forks, let ben_vulpes & I know and we'll liquidate those too.
mod6: cruciform: thanks for the heads-up.
cruciform: asciilifeform, it's nevertheless a helpful resource: lists all the exchanges, prices of each coin etc.
cruciform: Had no problems using the respective shitcoins' forks of Bitcoin Core/Electrum
cruciform: I've been dumping all this shit over the last fortnight - this website is invaluable: https://forkdrop.io/
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 19:43 jurov: mod6: ben_vulpes: perhaps you noticed the foundation has some bitcoin cash/gold. liquidate?
lobbes: So no, I would not say that the case is that my skin is "insufficiently resistant for Lordly responsibility", it is rather "leave me the fuck alone or I'll knock you over the head". That being said, if BingoBoingo is threatening to knock me over the head, then plox tell me before you do so we can work something out in this forum. Unlike my considerations for the old woman, I consider BingoBoingo a Better Man Than I.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-02 00:13 BingoBoingo: The point where L2 Republicans with productive history get blocked from purchasing Pizarro services over a Lordly negrating, and where efforts at resolution suggest the only problem is skin insufficiently resistant for Lordly responsibility... is the sort of situation where I would consider deploying my own power to negrate.
lobbes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-2#366691 << Since there seems to be some angst and confusion here on -why- I negrated the mouse in question, let me try to clarify. I had 0 problems (even liked the d00d) before he decided to turn his games of "I am butthurt because I suffered what I see as great injustice, so let me bitch and try to manipulate from the sidelines" (i.e old woman games) onto lobbes. I simply -have no time- for such insanity
esthlos: btw, I've been taking the plunge and reading the logs since 2016-03-02, the day of the transaction withholding attack on BB
mod6: or USD on the bag, even better
mod6: *whew* just hung up the heavy bag in the garage and went to town on that thing for 45 minutes. feels great.
trinque: whole process of talking with esthlos on the vtron project has been a pleasure.
mircea_popescu: alright, plox trinque write a v manifest specification, so it can be linked to for the future.
trinque: *either
trinque: this is not an item I'd promised to produce. if neither of the two guys working on V at the moment don't want to, I suppose I'll do exactly that.
mircea_popescu: for instance i can't even tell whether hanbot's mp-wp genesis includes a manifest atm, by virtue of it not even being on btcbase.
mircea_popescu: or is the count implicit also.
mircea_popescu: so the format is name, count, comment per line ?
trinque: nah, his viewer is doing the link, http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vpatch_newline/tree/vtools/manifest?raw=true
trinque: actually looking at it, could probably use the patch's name.
mircea_popescu: trinque, i don't get it, so the format we're baking in is link, anchor, count, comment ?
trinque: esthlos: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ << see here
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch.
mircea_popescu: trinque, did you publish the format somewhere after all ?
esthlos: hey guys, should I have included a manifest file in my genesis? see http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-genesis-or-who-presses-the-pressor/comment-page-1/#comment-17
asciilifeform: ( and it's a first class bitch to probe, they're 0.5mm pitch )
asciilifeform: and somewhere in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_dbg.jpg is the uart, but currently i dun have time to find where.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-01 18:34 asciilifeform: in other ~unprecedented noose, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-01#22239021; << clueful folx
asciilifeform: meanwhile, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820197 folx were right : >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa_spirom.jpg
asciilifeform: languages are fun. asciilifeform dreamed last night that he was practicing jp with mircea_popescu , and the latter several times went, e.g., 'the correct particle here is が, not に , y'idjit, how could you even' etc
mircea_popescu: and in today's lulz, azn fellow that speaks approximate english trying to convey the concept of "no need to thank me" wrote "you can suck, too" in the send-off.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-01 18:08 ave1: btw spyked, did the script create tar files for you?
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-01#1820196 <-- yes. file listing of my install dir --> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EYuNU/?raw=true . and ftr, build command I ran was exactly the one in instructions, i.e. ./build-ada.sh /path/to/install > build.output 2>&1
a111: Logged on 2018-05-31 21:44 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819488 << i vaguelly suspect that's something i need to do, but i don't know if i'm willing to go through the whole song and dance with american medical professionals (tm) to extract the medication out of them. might be easier to wait till my next trip to russia..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820081 << it was a light comment ; i'm not proposing you use antibiotics without a good reason. however, there ~might~ be a good reason, such as otherwise asymptomatic uti etc.
BingoBoingo: ^ Part One of the real estate exploration. More notes in the process of being organized for publication soon
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/01/the-real-estate-situation-in-montevideo-part-one/ << Bingo Blog - The Real Estate Situation In Montevideo: Part One
asciilifeform: (200+kB of this is still standard lib, which doesn't get used for ~anything; but this is substantial improvement over past state of the art)
asciilifeform: unfortunately i cannot currently test the aarch64 one, my c101pa is across a table top in pieces just now
asciilifeform: just as , incidentally, the previous shot did
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-01 18:02 ave1: this is beyond me, I'll change the gzip line. In the mean time could you check if the compiler in x86_64-linux-musl does produce the expected static output?
cazalla: anyway, before the kids start grabbing at cables and i end up join/part spamming i'll head off.. have not forgotten this place, just everything takes a backseat with these monsters about
a111: Logged on 2018-05-31 18:27 asciilifeform: lobbes: imho better like this ( or for that matter, like, e.g., cazalla , in the past ) than to silently vanish
cazalla: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820058 << still on the periphery reading logs, but difficult to maintain a presence here with 3 kids
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/visa-payment-card-network-down-in-europe-and-the-uk/ << Qntra - "Visa" Payment Card Network Down In Europe and the UK
asciilifeform: in other ~unprecedented noose, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-06-01#22239021; << clueful folx
ave1: btw spyked, did the script create tar files for you?
ave1: this is beyond me, I'll change the gzip line. In the mean time could you check if the compiler in x86_64-linux-musl does produce the expected static output?
ave1: I'll update the script to use a different tar command (I think every extant tar by now can also zip it's content in one go)
ave1: that never happened before, and the structure of the current script makes it so that the tar / gzip commands do not give any helpful output
asciilifeform: as for the ls :
ave1: BTW as the build now supports partial runs could you rerun the script without removing the build directory?
ave1: cool! I built a simple C file twice with these compilers and the diff was empty but maybe a more complexe build still sets the build-id.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 19:40 asciilifeform: musltronic static elf does seem to contain ~something~ that varies; looks to be the right size for timestamp turd. definitely on the conveyor.
asciilifeform: and it will become the basis for the cleansed ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-30#1819935 ) gnat, and forever more the standard.
asciilifeform: ave1: when your builder is properly ripe, i'ma feature it in the reignited ffa series !
asciilifeform: the correct output would be , as i understand, a ./bin with tarballs like the ones ave1 posted earlier
asciilifeform: there's a buncha stuff in ./build
ave1: the strange thing is that the bootstrap and cross-compilers in that directory were used to create native compilers and no rm of directories is done
ave1: it should also not remove any directories, (I'm still downloading I will look into it further)