BingoBoingo: <douchebag> It ended up being a spider bite << How sure are you about that? Prolly safest to tent the place and fumigate to be sure.
mircea_popescu: cnomad, outsourcing, rather than buying capital goods.
mircea_popescu: let's not repeat the mistake that sunk america ; we don't even have an america to sink.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823995 << he's not even wrong ; tho honestly i'd much rather buy equipment than outsource.
douchebag: Ahh they're arachnids
douchebag: Never knew that, I thought they were parasites
mircea_popescu: how's the ticks ?
asciilifeform: ( and fwiw it's news to me, that any of them live here, nobody lives here if they can reasonably help it )
asciilifeform: you must have asciilifeform confused with somebody else, the dc mircea_popescu is three doors down
mircea_popescu: afaik alphabet all lives there, notwisthanding "tech corp" pretense.
mircea_popescu: well, you live in dc, send a few girls over to talk to the dweebs.
asciilifeform: it isn't even wholly about the machines, from asciilifeform's pov, asciilifeform would like to see the enemy bleed some, hear the laments , see the mules driven before him, etc
asciilifeform: i mean this is one possible approach, when encountering a mine field that the current republicans + slavegurlz can't clear, to say 'eh it dun need clearing'
mircea_popescu: "i don't believe in factuality of anything besides usg" is the cheapest brand of shit to eat.
asciilifeform: sometimes there is problem tho, where the prospective players don't believe in the factuality of the prize
mircea_popescu: recall how it never took less than a year for the fucktarded public to even catch on ?
asciilifeform: any longer, and the target is likely to move.
asciilifeform: i'd start with giving the players , say , six weeks.
mircea_popescu: and somehow, all these inept fucktards sit somewhere "online" on the world wide dweeb, and manage to not notice that "hey, there's some people somewhere , can burn 10s of ks of this shitty green crap just out of boredom. when's the last time our "respectable" "employer" ok'd a $100 expense account ?!?!?!"
asciilifeform: nao if phf or other l1 is willing to referee, we can hold the game. ( imho asciilifeform does not fit for role of referee. )
asciilifeform: aaand they had orig schems, chip layouts, etc. for various 'embargo' products. some of which can still be seen today, e.g. those calcs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and ? they ever won a confrontation with us navy ? they ever won without even needing to confront, like the chinese ?
mircea_popescu: if he's a tradesman. if he's a kid getting in the way of adults, nothing will EVER be worth anything. not ever, no matter what you do.
asciilifeform: i can't speak authoritatively, but according to thirdhand folx, they had the usg naval keys for 20 yrs straight
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, a tool is worth to the tradesman his life.
mircea_popescu: recall the time anything came of rockchip ?
mircea_popescu: recall the time i bought that dork a ranked reddit account ? recall the time anything came of it ?
mircea_popescu: and you know, like shinohai -- if you prod him he'll do some movements, like electrocuted, disembodied frog legs. and if you don't he'll sit. and then wonder why it didn't work out and why he's being so badly persecuted.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile nothing's happening, and time goes by, and trinque in the end had a point, no door's open forever.
mircea_popescu: my bet would be, he's working a shitty job in some shitty company and dreams of the day "things will happen".
asciilifeform: let me guess, auditing www crapola to make the rent ?
asciilifeform: whatcha doing these days, douchebag ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hypothetically it'd be a contest with very simple mechanical judgement of winner. but i can picture why no one might want to be the referee.
mircea_popescu: nothing. there's not going to be any work encouragement through payment, because the inca has expertly stuffed this channel full of nonsense on both ends. "Free money" from one "nothing to buy for it" from the other, the zek has no use and no need and consequently no conception of money at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, consider what the previous bitcoins bought, shall we ?
asciilifeform: well currently i'm out of ideas in re cr50; thought i'd try the 1 tool in the box i haven't unsheathed.
asciilifeform: but i can see the 'tits' angle.
mircea_popescu: they won't work ; and paying them is counter-productive : it encourages them to not work.
mircea_popescu: recall the days kakobrekla honestly imagined b-a actually has some sort of future ?
asciilifeform: 'hm, maybe today is when the martians answer'
mircea_popescu: where are they ? even fucking today ? a year later, and all the "make mp eat crow" one could conjure up, where is it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'm just saying, the thing you discuss, with "has costs", works a ~certain~ way. and if you recall how NOPENOPE NOPE!!! kanzure was wrt getting his inept bs in functional shape, you realise that they will NEVER do any work.
asciilifeform: this aside, they ~are~ fuckedinthehead in the manner mircea_popescu describes. just, it would not make much diff for us to have'em, in this case.
mircea_popescu: cuz im supposed to be just as retarded as any other usg-produced neet.
mircea_popescu: where, of course, "the internet" is really just how he whitewashes satan himself for my benefit\.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:14 zx2c4: i'd be wary of any 'deal' that's different from: 'i'm given money. you're given warm feelings of having helped the internet.'
mircea_popescu: but they ARE fucked in the head, and specifically in the manner of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798415
asciilifeform: the amt of ~actual~ reversing, to date, by zeptobar, is ~0.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, and if zeptobars weren't fucked in the head, they'd have a !Z service here.
mircea_popescu: howsoever indignant my stepping on their faces in the dungeon may make your tingly sense.
asciilifeform: however must point out, serious work does cost money; e.g. time on electron microscope, we saw what costs; and there is a population of folx who can make use of it, but can't steal enuff time on instruments, or , if they can, allocated it for something that actually pays the bills
mircea_popescu: you're not going to reproduce the former by the latter ; just like you're not going to lure my slavegirls away by promising to be "a good sensitive guy with a great sense of humor".
mircea_popescu: but this is not what you ask. what you ask is, "what does the $x mn do". well ? what does it ?
mircea_popescu: whereas their mothers were happy to appear in whistler's mother all decked in black.
mircea_popescu: it does the thing where it's put in front of every soda joint, and before you know it 17 yos are willing to throw their panties at rolling stones and star in cocksucker blues.
mircea_popescu: the item where they ship pre-printed cutouts with the silouette of a girl, and a hole for the head, holding a $x mn check, DOES SOMETHING.
mircea_popescu: it's the ~advertising~ that does something. you understand this, do you ?
asciilifeform: if it were 'nothing', the holes from 2015 would still work.
mircea_popescu: but if their brain dun work enough for them to get thjemselves interested on their own, then what's your btc gonna do ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't expect that the google monkeys with access to the key, will willingly spill it ( tho this cannot be ruled out. ) idea was, possibly to get the same folks who currently sweat over ipnoje etc , interested.
asciilifeform: currently the thing is in a handful of boxes, but i suspect that it will spread.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, phf , apeloyee, possibly coupla other folx, do
mircea_popescu: certainly consists of list of miserable overgrown avortons whose mothers should be really, really ashamed they waited.
asciilifeform: they have access to that privkey.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the code repo contains list of meat names of good candidates to tie to a post.
mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced of anything, but i'd rather discuss it than not.
mircea_popescu: because what the fuck else would you expect me to do.
mircea_popescu: ie, a) if indeed this guy exists that'd give tyou whatever for the whatever prize, and b) i know for certain that he wouldn;'t have otherwise, somehow then c) i'll send a gal over to tie him to a post, slice an inch of his abdomen, and slowly roll his inrtestine on a cat scratch pad.
asciilifeform: well i wrote the article. observe what sort of folx came thus far.
mircea_popescu: if they can't do this, measured as "don't do this", a) the argument they were intelligent is tenuous and b) paying them is exacrtly thr wrong thing to do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, folks who can think are cordially invited to extract their head out of their ass, stop cohabiting with monkeys, join the republic.
mircea_popescu: "it doesn't cost me anything" is how filthy person ends up with bug infestation, "oh, the jam they eat cost me nothing".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: occasionally folks do break things. presently they're stuck 1) publishing, and it gets patched within a day by enemy 2) the enemy's bounties, paid in printolade
asciilifeform: refereeing will take some work. hence the call for a willing referee .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is not expected to contribute to the prize pot, if he thinks it is waste of time.
mircea_popescu: i still don't see the merit in this "pay" approach.
asciilifeform: they're small.
mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if "the public" has the werewithal to even liberate 500 of them, should a pill be available now.
asciilifeform: the machines currently on retail shelves, are curable.
mircea_popescu: if it's software and it's found, well... they'll make a firmware upgrade yes.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 19:41 asciilifeform: well yes, for public use. with the caveat that we will not be giving the curative pill to google.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the only problem is, i'm paying bitcoin to fix google's crapolade ? this sounds a lot like the soviet-sponsored "criticism of capitalism"
asciilifeform: cnomad: it is quite conceivable that the artifact is airtight, and no one will collect the prize. however it is also conceivable that there is, e.g., buffer overflow somewhere in the mass of c crapola, and it can be rooted today, via the usb jack.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 19:32 cnomad: im a go-with-the-flow kinda guy. rep will naturally follow
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823965 << it will onlty follow if you exist. without a registered key, you don't. nobody's going to even pretend "that cnomad guy" is a thing, different or differentiable from any other http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
asciilifeform: cnomad: chip appears to be rad-hard, to an extent, also. tho there is a plain physical limit as to rad-hardness of an object half a mm in thickness
asciilifeform: cnomad: dpa won't do a lick of good, the boobytrap is a rsa pub sig check, no secrets involved
mircea_popescu: doesn't the referee have to be qualified ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 18:48 asciilifeform considers idea of proclaiming a 1 btc prize for a working break of cr50 . any l1 folk interested in contributing to the prize chest , and/or overseeing the refereeing ?
asciilifeform: cnomad: main form of glitch hardening in cr50, going by the src, is the tactic of repeating the various crypto checks N times
cnomad: from reading around a few months ago, they use a similar IC that's used for smart cards, which implement a lot of hardening measures like dual rail logic, security meshes, and various other hardening measures
cnomad: that being said, these chips are generally hardened against faulting / glitching / DPA attacks
cnomad: well the most likely non-firmware approach would be finding a way to glitch/fault it
asciilifeform: the expense of decapping ~each~ cr50 in each box, is prohibitive, and makes whole proposition uninteresting
asciilifeform: the break would ideally be applicable via the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 debug device; or, at worst, by attaching to the test pads on the http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/h1.jpg pcb.
cnomad: for further REing
cnomad: well it could provide some insight into the target
cnomad: yeah, using a SEM/FIB is the easy way
asciilifeform: re 'weeks of nonstop work', understand that the break must be mass-applicable, it is not useful to flip the bits with electron beam in ~one~ particular cr50
asciilifeform: but until then, it is a kind of iphone
asciilifeform: so it is just as good to break the 'rma lock' mechanism, as the firmware verification, as i currently understand it.
asciilifeform: simply must point out, if as side effect of the break, the user-loaded data is nulled, this is not a problem for us.
asciilifeform: into all currently available cr50 boards, but in particular the c101pa.
asciilifeform: for my purposes, a proper break is when i can load in arbitrary firmware in place of the vendor's.
asciilifeform: ( if the jailbreak is published openly, the hole is likely to be closed in short order. this prolly does not need explaining. )
asciilifeform: well yes, for public use. with the caveat that we will not be giving the curative pill to google.
cnomad: if the goal is to liberate it for public use, then it's easier to justify paying less than market rate
asciilifeform: all you gotta do is to put it where ( http://somewhere/yourkey.txt, not https ) deedbot can see it, and then !!register thaturl .
cnomad: so if you question my identity i'll give you the non hashed text
asciilifeform: cnomad: there is a www front-end for the wot; this , for example : http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.html is me.
asciilifeform: ( how am i to know whom to pay ? and if the magic answer is sent plaintext, it will land in the fleanode nsa trap and immediately get shared with the enemy. )
asciilifeform: so, for example, i am considering declaring a btc bounty for cr50 break. but it will only be available to folks in the wot, for the very obvious reason .
asciilifeform: until you are in the wot, 'you' do not exist, it is not difficult to hijack a fleanode nick.
asciilifeform: it won't, if you ain't in the wot.
cnomad: im a go-with-the-flow kinda guy. rep will naturally follow
asciilifeform: you do not have to use your meatspace name, or anything of the kind. simply need gpg key, one that you won't lose.
asciilifeform: however, if you wish to work with the people here ( and this is where the serious coin lives ) you will want to get in the deedbot wot.
asciilifeform: then you will probably be satisfied with reading the log. typically it takes 6month of reading, to grasp what's going on.
asciilifeform: cnomad: then i will rate you, and you will be able to speak when there is no one to manually give you voice.
asciilifeform: so yes, generally you won't hear what they do not want you to hear, if google search if your main source.
cnomad: I knew about it before, and when I did it was curious noone wrote about it then
asciilifeform: are you interested in / familiar with cr50 in particular ? or heard of it for 1st time from the article
asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt probably closest thing.
asciilifeform: ( or rather, the mistaken notion that they are separable, is promulgated by the great satan. )
asciilifeform: cnomad: consider reading the chan subj line
cnomad: I don;t have any _specific_ qs at the moment, but i do some IC and firmware RE. I don't even know what this channel is about before joining
asciilifeform: cnomad: so what is it you're curious about then
cnomad: thanks, no qs at the moment
asciilifeform: cnomad: please read the logs -- http://btcbase.org/log/ -- and make use of the search, before asking q
asciilifeform: hm we dun have a working heathenticker no moar, do we.
asciilifeform considers idea of proclaiming a 1 btc prize for a working break of cr50 . any l1 folk interested in contributing to the prize chest , and/or overseeing the refereeing ?
asciilifeform: in other negative results, small ra-226 isotope capsule had no measurable effect on cr50 .
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other behavioural modifications, https://78.media.tumblr.com/6f370a2fda4c06089b490db594ffa4c9/tumblr_ob9uwyrIYI1uri6xho1_400.gif
asciilifeform: theoretically normal pc sata board oughta work
ave1: asciilifeform, no I did not get the board, it seems to me a standard pcie x4 slot and cards for these can be easily had locally
asciilifeform: ave1: did you get the sata peripheral also ?
asciilifeform: ave1: the pci slot in 'pro' is nifty
ave1: aha, yes I did not try to order the 4g version (also the 2g version is twice as expensive on the german amazon)
asciilifeform: the 2g was about fiddybux in small qt
ave1: the libre computer board is in the pizarro rk? it seems to be 80$ for 4G. This is the same price, for the rockpro64.
ave1: as an aside, I've been readin the google code for the cr50 but I also did not find any obvious holes so far
ave1: yes, it's the same chip as in the notebook, also cost more (and will be even more with the european import tax added)
asciilifeform: ave1: this is a kind of 'plus' version of the pizarro rk, yes
asciilifeform: you can still get these, apparently.
mircea_popescu: lol. wtf does it come with, the powerplant ?
mircea_popescu: "grandfather's sword won't work for you until you get a horse like your grandmother."
asciilifeform: right, and most of the time asciilifeform goes in cars and pack animals also
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there is such a thing as people with cars and pack animals.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: display can be sourced, i actually have several 'naked' display here for experiments. the bulk of the headache is the kbd , chassis, power. any way you cut it, chassis becomes a multi-kg monster 'luggable'
asciilifeform: the old ratty boeing 757s lacked mains plugs too
mircea_popescu: Display size: 17.6" × 13.2" = 232.32in² (44.7cm × 33.53cm = 1498.84cm²) at 79.55 PPI, 0.3193mm dot pitch, 6327 PPI² << get a sxga+ in there.
mircea_popescu: heck, some actuallty even have gauge on themselves. i've seen this. it's not expensive or hard to make.
mircea_popescu is reminded of the suitcases joke
asciilifeform: they output ~constant voltage until dead
asciilifeform: sorta why i dislike them
mircea_popescu: have a fucking mechanical gauge, steampunk all the way
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that does NOT need to be part of the computer.
asciilifeform: and the board has a linear reg, wastes current.
mircea_popescu: but the last thing anyone fucking wants is an even smaller laptop.
mircea_popescu: regulators aren't expensive. and nothing wrong with 5v from battery either.
asciilifeform: it is theoretically possible to turn rk3328-roc-cc ( as in pizarro pilot plant ) into a portable of a kind. one can get miniature hdmi lcd, etc. but there is no convenient way to handle power; it expects 5v, and has no provisions for interrogating battery level, one would have to build something , rather gnarly.
asciilifeform: given as rk has no idea which dram a given board maker will want to use, they made the timings settable
mircea_popescu: they have a replacement ?
asciilifeform: ( seems like recent coreboot even abolishes the orig vendor's dram init turd )
mircea_popescu: maybe you're a horse altogether.
asciilifeform: ( as does, iirc, phf, and possibly a few other l1 folk )
asciilifeform: re costs -- can't speak for other folx, but i'd happily pay, say, $1k , for a proper arm64 lappy
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's the same thing, but at least mine got tits.
mircea_popescu: i suppose you just buy a live-in slavegirl to do the job eventually.
asciilifeform: incl. unscrewing the case.
asciilifeform: ( if not, still possible, but will cost much, much more , possibly making the whole project -ev )
asciilifeform: in re cr50 -- if we find which fpga was the basis, it may be possible to craft pad-for-pad replacement for the fritz.
mircea_popescu: oh, also, lest i forget : see alf ? you just don't do the upping correctly, is all.
mircea_popescu: goes right with the "about the size of a... scorpion, with a dangly apendage behind, looking like a ... scorpion tail" girl saw yest... FLYING.
mircea_popescu: and in other "only in this country" lulz, i see a dark halfinch long form squrrying under the bottle washer behind the kitchen skin tap. so i'm all, you know if you've ever lived in new york, or buenos aires, or generally a large town, "fuck you, you little bitch" kill! kill! kill! mode.
loper_os_cr50: A curious person who is interested in owning my own hardware instead of it pwning me. Found the channel through http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433
mircea_popescu: these idiots (project something or the other, i forget) spent ten years to reach this pinnacle ; and the whole time wondering why their ~server~ can't hold more than five or so people connected.
asciilifeform: the only reason it did not spread even farther outside of microshit (yes, the epicenter, despite not being originator) is that cpp projects tend to collapse under own weight too quickly to hit market
asciilifeform: cpp specifically attracts the worst of the worst, in re complexity cancer, this was obvious long enuff ago that naggum noted it
mircea_popescu: the modern equivalent of those medievally fixed timepieces, compensated, recompensated and re-recompensated until the count of moving parts exceeded the "engineer's" capacity to count.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is... i don't actually know how.
mircea_popescu: also, pfalz is not per se an area in germany ; it's a bunch of areas. originally [holders of] palatine lands elected the emperor, so it's really akin to saying portland-tmsr and seattle-tmsr. tmsr isn't a plage, it's a designation.
mircea_popescu: phf, linguistics and phonetics is a major solvent for post-medieval mysteries. in some cases even earlier. a lot hinges on what kind of attic or aeolian or whatever other obscure way to say o and u someone employed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, look at the barf http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/niDUM/?raw=true / http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HZcNV/?raw=true etc ; then look at the routines in which it ends up looping infinitely. then try and say why.
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack -- currently asciilifeform has 0 useful leads whatsoever on cr50 ( finished archaeological dig through the published src, found no obvious hole , yet )
phf: mircea_popescu: that as always makes a lot of sense. i knew that the original was an area in germany, but i didn't give much further thought to the obvious modification
mircea_popescu: (plattdeutsch is how you get from pfalz to paltz ; very similar to how idish works... or rather worked, it's pretty much dead.)
mircea_popescu: there's this joke in romania that "if you hear a hungarian speaking foreing languages you're looking at a jew".
mircea_popescu: but the notion of french huguenots speaking plattdeustch...
mircea_popescu: this may even be true. the exact meaning of "huguenot" in the period, much like "protestant" etc, is a lot more diverse than contemporaries (like to) think.
phf: it's a beautiful area, an hour and a half train ride from manhattan along hudson, into the mountains, views of catskills
phf: of course these days it's just a generic american smalltown
phf: my friend, whose father is a professor of divinity, was eager to inform me that the village was founded by huguenots
phf: they do have a lot of beautiful land
mircea_popescu: visiting the remnants of ye olde jew empire huh.
phf: oh that was the idea, kk
a111: Logged on 2018-06-11 02:48 hanbot: ^ phf please to update, apologies for the hassle.
mircea_popescu: i'm just going by the stereotype. he dun look like jackie brown, he's not enjoying a +ev situation with usg.whatever.
asciilifeform: well tbh i dun know the amstan d00d at all, can't say precisely whose type
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me google much hires your type, unless they're mamies.
asciilifeform: they exist in parallel.
asciilifeform: these also.
mircea_popescu: it's unclear this is the case.
asciilifeform: orc, who oughta be selling cigarettes out of a suitcase at the sunday market , instead taking home google payola, etc
asciilifeform: so they swim.
asciilifeform: or simply swims to where the food is.
mircea_popescu: that's 100% what the shitstack is ; and i bet you amstan for instance is in shock over there in his silent dounce corner, "omfg, these people are impressed ~negatively~ with my political committments ?!?!?! they despisew me ?!!??! how could this be omfg"
mircea_popescu: "what is mgm, with a patch on the eye on the corner begging for nickles ? they repackage free shit idiots gave them in the hopes of '''making name for selves''' and pretend like they;re in business"
a111: Logged on 2014-05-02 12:35 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE << here's the real story.
mircea_popescu: they don't need to be paid, that's what an idiot is. who pays the wind to pull down your barn ?
mircea_popescu: the notion that corpses put disinfo on forums because google pays them to is not unlike the notion idiot chinese teenager spams because the sinospam conspiraci pays him to.
asciilifeform: well i dun want to work at foxconn either, lol
mircea_popescu: mr "oh i don't wanna work for google to pay 5x in rent what their salary is". or we dun remember that now ?
asciilifeform: they have these slaves, they work for food and roof, etc. and they aint dead yet, corpses can't post disinfo in forums etc. so ergo they still make payroll..
mircea_popescu: heck, idiots had medals from the tsar long after 1920.
mircea_popescu: same exact fucking thing, we'll have long buried alphabet and they'll still have hidden under dirty mattresses "certificates of achievement"
mircea_popescu: you realise there's still idiots in rural kuban / albania / we keeping in ancient closets receipts from the local MMMs ?