asciilifeform: the cost of stupidity always includes moar-stupidity-later, yes
mircea_popescu: because back then, yes less diveristy, and consequently, also more obviousness.
mircea_popescu: or maybe the ~COST~ of diversity is stupidity.
asciilifeform: then nfi, perhaps backthen sov schooling and father's army belt did some of the work prior to getting'em into your circus.
mircea_popescu: yep, same exact thing then as now.
mircea_popescu: "things that crawled out of their mother's cunt, stuck around long enough to grow a cunt of their own, and tits to go with it"
asciilifeform: hm then.
asciilifeform: while imho this is not a 'let's do this right nao' scheme, it is prolly the Right Thing in re 'trb-i' block propagation. no moar 'block withholding' nonsense. no reason why trbi should not own ionosphere the same way mircea_popescu projected bitcoin will 'own' mains current generation capacity.
asciilifeform: box, incidentally, doesn't need to know anyffing re particulars of gossip protocol; simply verify(4096b) luby packets, rejecting old nonces, reassemble into block, and then retransmit until a newer block is assembled, then repeat ad infinitum.
asciilifeform: a larger and expensive version of the item could be built conceivably with off-the-shelf iron, all it'd take is a bit of courage, can plug it in wherever one happens to have access to unguarded mains socket plus a window to string the aerial from.
asciilifeform: if device made for unit cost of e.g. 1 $, enemy can then enjoy going bankrupt spending 5k to find each one in the woods.
asciilifeform: in principle, this here would be one of the rare cases where baking an asic would be a massive win (in that there's not much of a practical alternative)
asciilifeform: the holy grail would be to stuff this into a fpga. however ice40 isn't even remotely bigenuff.
mircea_popescu: downconverting is a much stickier issue than meets the eye
asciilifeform: re the 'unattended relay' concept, the gnarliest sticking point is the need for a rsatron that can verify a 4096b signature in a few msec, and while running on battery/photocell, not with whole comp
asciilifeform: the most economical receive-only station would prolly still consist of the realtek + a (working) downconverter.
asciilifeform: ( i tried the chinese-made 'downconverters' to bring it into the necessary band, thus far none worked worth a sparrow's fart )
asciilifeform: the ubiquitous realtek sdr dongle is unfortunately wholly worthless for shortwave work
asciilifeform: trinque: battlefield version of the hypothetical device would need a purpose-baked (fpga) sdr. but for experiment, could use e.g. 'hackrf' ( i have it, but hesitate to recommend it to others, it comes with a massive ball of open sores rubbish, really wants an ab initio driver , ars longa, etc )
trinque: (none ought be in the bootstrapper either, as I think they're all masked, though not by any hard protocol)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 18:02 phf: gentoo out of the box turned out to have all kinds of interesting surprises (i haven't ran gentoo in years, so it was interesting to see the holes through which the darkness comes). like the foo-9999999.ebuilds that just pull from the mystery github repos without any kind of checksumming
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831979 << indeed, none of these are making it into the final cut
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 16:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is not even the wrong way ; will not only significantly cheapen our end, but ~all of the enemy hardware will ahve to be replaced, at capital costs far exceeding its current capacities (projected to diminish in the future as they may be)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831795 << piling on to this thread ftr : ~fiddybux buys you a device that can eat, 24/7, the entire 30MHz or so usable sw spectrum, and search for whatever. pulsers can then transmit short luby slices of $block pretty much wherever in said spectrum , at various times, even regardless of ionospheric season; a % of these will get eaten by $receiver, and slowly reconstitute a valid parcel.
mircea_popescu: tournament markets, what happens to capitalism once the sons of unbeaten mothers in monogamous arrangements grow up.
BingoBoingo: Sure, incredibly common. I suspect the whole reason "crowdfunding" gets pumped is to encourage that sort of idiocy
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 17:02 mircea_popescu: are you aware the third that does and the two thirds that don't contain the EXACT SDAME PERCENT of seld-diagnosed smarts, intelligence etcetera ?
mircea_popescu: expect a whole lot of http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/ of course ; but then again bear in mind sifting through the refuse pile of "western man" goes exactly like it goes : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831817
mircea_popescu: no, i mean sponsorship. remember when i sponsored the what was it, 8chan maybe ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo btw, here's an idea : suppose someone from pizarro were to contact ~all the "sexuality cultural war" websites out there, "feminists" "mra" whatever, and proposed pizarro sponsorship ? << I'd actually been warming up some old accounts on these forums to do exactly this sort of thing.
asciilifeform: there's a whole bunch of weev types who aren't aware that anyffing like pizarro is even possible. somebody, somewhere, among'em, possibly isn't entirely tard
mircea_popescu: all of them, whatevers.
asciilifeform: phf: if you have a handy list of these lulz in your notes, plox to post
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, here's an idea : suppose someone from pizarro were to contact ~all the "sexuality cultural war" websites out there, "feminists" "mra" whatever, and proposed pizarro sponsorship ?
phf: well, yes, you have all the tarbas/ebuilds have a blake in manifest, but there's no equivalent for a git repo. those are just pulled
asciilifeform: afaik almost all had a sha2 baked into the port def tho
phf: gentoo out of the box turned out to have all kinds of interesting surprises (i haven't ran gentoo in years, so it was interesting to see the holes through which the darkness comes). like the foo-9999999.ebuilds that just pull from the mystery github repos without any kind of checksumming
trinque is rerunning the current bootstrapper and will hand same to asciilifeform if/when completes successfully
asciilifeform: then we're on same page.
mircea_popescu: look, the bootloader thing is either musl or isn't. if it isn't, i expect trinque wants to hear about it ; whether he wants to or not i still want it said.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i was referencing the 'let's stand up clone of dulap' variant, strictly.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 12:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1827977 << 're-emerge' seems to imply systemwide ? you're more or less guaranteed a borked box, muslism has to be done either rotor-style (i.e. 100% user-local build of 1 proggy at a time) or systemwide ( trinque's cuntoo ), on account of the impossibility of cleanly linking glibc libs to musl proggy or vice versa
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lemme find the thread, 1s
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you are aware that the only means of testing a musltronic build of your proggy + deps on a conventional (glibc) box, is the rotor method, yes
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:43 diana_coman: so then it would seem this is the best available option currently: asciilifeform can I have trinque's cuntoo on that machine when it's available?
asciilifeform: as i understand, diana_coman's system calls for the troo 'single gcc' toolchain, i.e. ave1's
mircea_popescu: the "a full gnat musl thing" portion seems to be satisfied by trinque 's currently published bootloader.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-1#385827 << There's a box powered on inside the rack with two fuckgoats, one raid card, one disk, and a KVM plugged in for this purpose
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-20 16:30 mircea_popescu: which brings us to : ben_vulpes would pizarro be amenable to bring up the spare sometime so she makes it a full gnat musl thing, test whether we can move everything there, and either move it (so basically, moving servers) or else backing down (so basically i guess either renting both for a while or powerting back down the spare) ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 17:43 diana_coman: so then it would seem this is the best available option currently: asciilifeform can I have trinque's cuntoo on that machine when it's available?
ben_vulpes: my mistake, then.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-21 19:03 ben_vulpes: end of july for the whole package
mircea_popescu: i dunno why ; cuz i said the idea is to ~test a musl process~ ; without hosing the machine currently running it.
ben_vulpes: i was under the impression that you wanted to wait for a machine that you could cut eulora server over to in toto
asciilifeform: hmm bot choked on the 2nd link ?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-07-05 17:02 mircea_popescu: 2. customer gives ~2 week early warning, and then the mark comes and goes, and customer doesn't have what he wanted.
mircea_popescu: trinque ok so then why wouldn't i use it ? would you rather not have it tested or i don't get it ? idea here was to put the item into work see what comes out.
trinque: mircea_popescu: you get a fully musltronic gentoo out of the bootstrapper which will be useful for exactly that purpose
asciilifeform: the gain is strictly that it can be done 100% homedir-locally.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you mean other than because it dun require pizarro provision a box ?
diana_coman: from the other side: why would rotor-style be a better option than using trinque's script above?
mircea_popescu: so if i use it, the resulting system will in fact permit my testing of a whole set of musl-compiled deps, system wide, such as mysql and whatever other libs eulora pulls.
mircea_popescu: trinque ok, help me understand this. so you have a script that a) works, in the sense of bootloading a b) gentoo which is musl-compiled but c) doesn't have a proper v tree.
trinque: I am not persuading the bootstrap script be used
mircea_popescu: because if i do and something breaks, i have no way to extract value out of the foregoing effort. what will i do, trilema article about "here should be some words nobody knows how they'd go" ?
trinque: I was saying the script (which is now a bootstrapper) can be used to produce a usable system (which is not cuntoo, but gentoo), and I think it's reasonable not to want to use that.
asciilifeform: trinque: is there a chance you can supply us with a 'pre-release' cuntoo ?
asciilifeform: however if no such incompatibility is found, then yes, it doesn't win anyffing over 'wait for cuntoo' scenario.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 14:35 trinque: diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the point remains, though. given that apparently we both misread the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828010 line, it may actually be entirely spurious to get a box and build on it.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 15 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plz lemme know if you have the tracking info
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 17:19 asciilifeform: !Q later tell BingoBoingo plz lemme know if you have the tracking info
diana_coman: I do appreciate both your offer and your other work
asciilifeform: if, as appears to be the case, the latter is far from battlefield deployment, it may be worth .
diana_coman: myeah, but what is there to gain from that instead of simply building it on cuntoo directly?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if this were my system, i'd build'em rotor-style ( using existing rotor script, add e.g. mysql to the deps set )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, uhm, but how about the deps?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman has been tickling it for the past 2-6 weeks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a second devil potentially in the details -- not knowing much re eulora particulars, asciilifeform does not know whether it will actually build 100% musltronically
trinque: this is correct; I've been fighting a war against upstream and reposessing items since the original build script. this process is close but not done.
mircea_popescu: trinque aha so basically the situation here is, 1. you did an ablated gentoo last year, which was more vanilla ; 2. meanwhile it was discovered no longer builds, because imperial shitstack can't be a foundation for anything but the cockroaches ; 3. since ave1 work meshes well with older asciilifeform work we've updated the cuntoo target for a full musl integration, and this will come but 4. prolly later this year ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 14:35 trinque: diana_coman: I have updated the script you last tried, such that it again works. What I have not completed is the v-tree which is to replace imperial portage.
asciilifeform: or is this still in the works.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i understand there are exactly two variants : 1) waitloop on trinque to declare his item as ready for battlefield test 2) asciilifeform bakes an exact clone of existing s.mg gentoo ( really, dulap-iii's gentoo )
trinque: this build script was to have a gentoo which uses musl, and uses patched ebuilds from the libressl and musl overlays.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I published a build script that upstream subsequently trashed, abandoned gcc versions, and all the rest.
diana_coman: eh, ~anyone stuck in a similar situation would learn it quite as fast; and that "easily" means mum talking like crazy all the time, lol
trinque: asciilifeform: that's not happening, there's still plenty of work to be done.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought he had published the thing
mircea_popescu: the role of the belt/whip with adults is exactly same -- to remove the false perception of alternative.
asciilifeform: it is however my current understanding that diana_coman wants a trinque cuntoo install. this means that trinque gotta give the signal and supply with what to install -- and ideally prior to going on his vacation.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman subjectively easily. for the obvious reason : because they perceive no alternative.
diana_coman: aha; (though I must say: next time anyone says kids learn languages "easily" I'll punch them on the spot)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if no answer from ben_vulpes in day or 2, i'ma have to ctrl-C that loop and take over reactor controls, and ask mod6 to make good on his offer to sell his spare ssd's, currently kept in the bilge, to pizarro, and then give the signal to BingoBoingo to install it in diana_coman's auxiliary box.
mircea_popescu: not bad! i wouldn't care whether he consciously understands what he's doing. that's not really how the brain works, at that age. he learned to speak without understanding what the fuck he was doing also.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman are these ics ? or ye olde resistors capacitors etc ?
mircea_popescu: 2. customer gives ~2 week early warning, and then the mark comes and goes, and customer doesn't have what he wanted.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mod6 appreciate the situation here : 1. customer walks in. this is a MAJOR item for a company that apparently lost its only candidate manager over the inability to organize a sales mechanism, whereby doesn't have to wait for customer to walk in.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu fwiw kid also got a basic set of electronic components and a board to stick them onto + booklet with ~100 basic circuits and he's been having a blast with it although I'd say he still has a way to go to fully grasp what he's doing
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell BingoBoingo plz lemme know if you have the tracking info
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 19:02 mircea_popescu: mod6 a) why not just sell it to pizarro and b) it's really no rush, end of the month's fine.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828397 -> ben_vulpes, mod6, BingoBoingo what's the status on this?
asciilifeform: btw in addition to mircea_popescu's earlier observation, it aint a total loss also in that asciilifeform can bake a neutered replacement rom more or less immediately if the key is ever popped.
asciilifeform: sorta why asciilifeform sank 100litres of sweat into the armlappy thing.
asciilifeform: there may not be quite enuff chechens in natolandia for anyffing better than halfmeasure, atm
asciilifeform: in fact, this sorta happened, recall the early crt tv and its xray killzone
asciilifeform: ( picture a 'alt-history' where it came to be that 2/3 of population owned a particle accelerator (let's say, for sterilization of even moar outlandishly-gangrenous usa.beef than presently sold . ) picture the pestilential 'omfg i am eating what! isotope?!' complaints
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 100% of meatsacks on the internet should own comp.
mircea_popescu: invariably the retort comes as "sucks to be on the phone, huh", for which they are utterly unprepared. notwithstanding six-figure "education debt" in each to the last one.
mircea_popescu: you know that about 1/3 of responsens my bot gets come as "what ?" which generally gets ignored, and generally forms during the day in the more literate complaint of "i can't read the subject line", often with culprit-identification bolted on the side : "~IT~ cuts it off". what the fuyck is this "it" ?
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's pov, it is however ~too many~ meatsacks who own comp (or at least think they do) rather than too few
trinque: the sad creatures aren't being given anything to do, which would prompt the "ah shit, I don't even own a proper pair of underwear^W^W^Wcomputer"
mircea_popescu: the saeculum produces girls unqualified to be niggers.
mircea_popescu: do you know they literally lack the werewithal, as 20something yos, supposedly capable of employment and child rearing, to a) identify the problem ; b) identify the solution ; c) put boards into a mobo and hook it all up ?
mircea_popescu: are you aware the third that does and the two thirds that don't contain the EXACT SDAME PERCENT of seld-diagnosed smarts, intelligence etcetera ?
mircea_popescu: are you aware about 2/3 of the fuckage female population does not own a computer ?
asciilifeform: imho 'buy boards, make desktop' is not particularly educational in current-day, aside from the abstract teaching of 'yes, the parts are interchangeable, yes you can work a screwdriver' kindergarten curriculum
asciilifeform: in particular true for radio work, where the 'lumped' (see maxwell thread) approximation taught in uni, is actually a mere toy approximation of physical reality
mircea_popescu: in any case, power is an important aspect of de-kulakizing the empire.
mircea_popescu: there are things which ~must~ be learned, in order to permit learning in principle. nobody learns arithmetic because the world's desperate for more 9yo accountants.
asciilifeform: there is only so much that can be learned from paper.
asciilifeform: pulsed tx means you can get away with not only small energy supply (e.g. konsoomer photovoltaic + capacitor) but thin, inexpensive aerial wires, smallish transistor in the amp ( vs the thumb-sized monsters seen in traditional radio design ), and so on.
asciilifeform: my gedanken-schematic contemplated an ~unattended~ relay. ( approx. briefcase-sized, not counting the aerial )
asciilifeform: it is extraordinarily difficult to get even rough triangulation for pulsed station, esp when there are ~several~ going. ( iirc we had the thread )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even kgb at its golden age more or less threw in the towel in face of pulsed pirate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is not even the wrong way ; will not only significantly cheapen our end, but ~all of the enemy hardware will ahve to be replaced, at capital costs far exceeding its current capacities (projected to diminish in the future as they may be)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the edison battery thread aha
asciilifeform: ( when asciilifeform was running number for a -- so far, paper-only , gedankenexperiment -- shortwave gossipd station, realized that the traditional outlandish bulk of 1000+w shortwave transmitter, is unnecessary if you only care to transmit millisecond bursts a couple times per hr ; can have fairly compact and inexpensive item, not normally seen in 'heavy' pirate radio experience )
asciilifeform: ( btw this kind of thing has some interesting implications: iron that runs in pulse duty cycle can handle unspeakable wattage for so long as the pulse is short. consider typical example, photographer's xenon flash lamp, if you wanted same light in a sustained 100% cycle, you need a 10kg projector rather than 10g flash thingie. or targeting laser for tank, easily 50w , but pocket-sized. )
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 18:33 mircea_popescu: the numbers are worth the mention : if you get 500 old truck/high power car batteries, literally, and you put them in 4 lines (gets about 49 - 50V or so), you now have somewhere in the range of 500 * AT LEAST 50 Ah in your hands. that's 25 KWh for the more common measure.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they exist to foul up the world. fucking obviously "open source ups" is a basement full of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803817 as pluriously discussed in the logs
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's personal history with sad iron, the alpha and omega of the weakness of konsoomer ups, is that it features no way to handle the devil in the details of plugging in gigantic array of battery ( they tend to have minimal or nonexistent inverter cooling, and melt down long before your bank of boat batteries or whichever, runs out )
asciilifeform: dafuq, one might naively ask, is the point, of such a thing.
asciilifeform: re 'surprised by wealth folx', asciilifeform was somewhat astonished to discover that esr's infamous 'open sores ups project' features not a 'make own heavy industrial ups to run for 3 days' but instead... clone of one of those laughably miniature things they sell at konsoomer kompooter shops, 'run for 3min so you can shitdown'
asciilifeform: speaking of, did mircea_popescu ever watch the ancient silent film of faust ?
mircea_popescu: goethe told it bette.
mircea_popescu: first it kinda looks like a) it really is a film everyone wants to watch and b) they're in the main cast!!!
mircea_popescu: kinda how the film snaps for all these "fellow travellers" or w/e you'd call them, "herd of independent minds", "reasonable people with reservations", "skeptical but objective observer of own life", whatever socially-acceptable wrappers on narcissism.
mircea_popescu: then got butthurt that his perceived importance no longer matches his actual importance, and why should it be his fault. then got clever about it. whatever.
asciilifeform: i've nfi, but the 700+ coinz prolly helped neh
asciilifeform: ( afaik the nato variants, seldom manage this )
mircea_popescu: precisely same as to the "surprised by wealth" moron. sitting somewhere in a peculiar hovel hoping people from the internet will come anf fix his ac.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly minor diff, but the occasional orc oligarch does manage to move some dough offshore and live kakobrekla-style in some zimbabwestan island for yrs
mircea_popescu: zero difference between russian product of the socialist state pretending to wealth and mark-leah cuban-goodman whatever.
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY mirroring the undemocratic-socialism creation of "bussinessmen" through "corruption" and "stealing from the government" -- which is to say EXACTLY the same process run by EXACTLY the same people the exact same way.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-14 01:43 mircea_popescu: this theory that redditards have like... different personalities. what do you people do in the intimacy of your own house, name goldfish ?
mircea_popescu: very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-14#795515 : NONE, and i mean it : not a single FUCKING ONE of these "government-sponsored oligarchs" have a penny to their name. every single one "powerful" of the democracy-socialism, be they a senator, a general, a "famous person", a "journalist", WHATHEVER they may be, made out, at all. not like bandits, not like anythings, they're as poor as church mice.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-10 01:54 mircea_popescu: goes with my "Remember the inept newsweek goon, Leah McGrath Goodman ? The chick with the mortgage she can't pay on her own ? Like that other chick, like each and every other chick in this quagmire of chickdom ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo some "important" "success story" etcetera from the swamp. because memory hole in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349 an' http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-10#1047258
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in trilema oldies, http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/
asciilifeform: 'A friend, learning C, asked me for help in understand the results of some such expression as a = (b++) + ((b++) + (b++)) It emerged that one could run this on different compilers, even on the same machine, and get about as many results as one tried different compilers...' etc
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom, in re the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-30#1830910 lulzfest, https://archive.fo/0AQo0 >> 'what happens when a bunch of people without even first year maths try to write a specification without understanding how to define representations. Technically the representation model is entirely non-normative because it's logically circular.'
a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 09:51 spyked: anyways, I am working on putting the ssh keys in the proper format and preparing the full report, there's some extra lulz to be extracted from this experience.
asciilifeform: lol i actually somehow missed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831514 . hey spyked , lemme know when these are ready to eat, they will go in same day.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 05:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when's the ffa restart btw ?
mircea_popescu: "These days I work as a change activist, mounting summits for world leaders and serving as an adviser to startups and entrepreneurs looking to better the planet. "
mircea_popescu: choice bits, "Last year, I ended a two-year relationship with a man who ultimately couldnt commit and wanted to be polyamorous." ie "i was somewhere mid-dial on the phone of some dude with some money, who eventually had enough of my airs and stopped returning calls".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in monkey see, monkey gets fucked lulz, https://nypost.com/2018/06/02/dating-columnist-reveals-how-sex-and-the-city-ruined-her-life/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when's the ffa restart btw ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-04 16:24 mircea_popescu: as far as uneducated, "hard" ustardian kids were concerned, the dilemma stood between stories of killing injuns and "building a civilisation out of a wilderness" by then two generations expired, or else ~kids just like them actually doing it~, driving motorcycles through the endless dusts of the middle earth and erecting oil pumping metropolises across the siberia.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-04#1831653 << sorta why they threw errything they could at it. 'i have no cow but at least can burn the neighbour's barn'
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Every now and then those happen
mircea_popescu: they had a viper mustang, and a beautiful belair, and a thunderbird and things.
mircea_popescu: in other news, went for glass of wine with friends at this coquette french bistro ; old car exhibition decided to occur just outside.
trinque: https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/musl.git/commit/?id=a16515e5a86fcf9aebc5c7330ca34d6faac8c8c5 << which obviously makes this the end of history having anything to do with them.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 23:08 trinque: phf, Mocky, and others waiting on cuntoo, the genesis.vpatch which contains only the ebuilds necessary for a minimal system is about 4mb.
mircea_popescu: nah, you can replace the key you use.
brazilish: how can i switch a pgp key keeping the history? everyone that sent a rating need to send it again to the new pgp key?
BingoBoingo: This is for an arm board, but the cuts asciilifeform makes are a good start on any platform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295
BingoBoingo: There's a bit of literature out, but consensus is you are best off baking your own gentoo
brazilish: btw, I want to ask if there is some reference here about how correctly doing safe computing, because i feel that if I create a pgp private key on my current setup, USG would already have it pre-seeded
diana_coman: trinque, yes! aha, so all I need to do is do the !!pay-invoice lobbes 3 and that's it; correct?
trinque: I suppose by now we'd better move to !!settle-invoice before the command proximity maims a friend
trinque: the semantics have not changed yet
mircea_popescu: could tell the mysterious someone to look on localbitcoins
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell anti-sex work activism here is for the loser boys and girls during those two years between discovered they are wanted for sex and discovering they enjoy the sex too
mircea_popescu: basically, they're just as ugly & lazy as argentina's http://trilema.com/2016/lxs-ninxs/ and on the lookout for "explanations" as to why they're not doing any business ?
BingoBoingo: Prostitution here is legal. Whiskerias are one of the legal avenues for the prostitution. The paper did cite it was anti-sex male anti-feminists behind it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I assume the retarded dignity of las trabajadoras or some shit
mircea_popescu: you don't understand, the imperial republic-lite is liek totally serious biznis!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, i don't get it, why the fuck would some bar apologize for pick-a-whore offering a free trick ?!
mircea_popescu: aaand in other lulz, "IssueCrawler >> Log-in A software tool that locates and visualizes networks on the web. See www.govcom.org/scenarios_use.html for more information."
BingoBoingo: In other news the semi-rigid water lines are popping all over the city, just like in mircea_popescu's America
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, it's how "research" gets published on all sorta "topics" in the empire of idiots.
diana_coman: lol, will wait for trinque to come to the rescue
mircea_popescu: there was ~a very good reason~ for mccarthyism, as it turns out, specifically this fear among the warren buffett class of the period that the kids are just about going to desert them.
mircea_popescu: as far as uneducated, "hard" ustardian kids were concerned, the dilemma stood between stories of killing injuns and "building a civilisation out of a wilderness" by then two generations expired, or else ~kids just like them actually doing it~, driving motorcycles through the endless dusts of the middle earth and erecting oil pumping metropolises across the siberia.
mircea_popescu: it makes a very in interesting point re "cultural wars" and "rock and roll killed the soviet union", namely, that cca 1950 the su was winning the cultural war, very much so, the larger of the "allies", the most accomplished, sending dogs in space and building the new frontier
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform phf or other conaisseurs of ye olde mosfilm : you'll prolly much enjoy http://trilema.com/2012/the-lords-of-flatbush/ ; it's basically the tough youth of soviet agitprop, in all the formal particulars, except functionally he runs away like a rabbit and sees no problem with this.
mod6: Lords and Laides of The Most Serene Republic: I'd like to announce that in addition to looking for a new manager for Pizarro, we are also looking someone to fill the role of Treasurer. Please let us know if interested in either role. Thanks!
mod6: ave1: ah, I never hit an edge-case like that. i'll put that down for fix whenever the next release might be. thanks for letting me know.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in usg limba de lemn : 'This report is a declassified version of a highly classified assessment; its conclusions are identical to those in the highly classified assessment but this version does not include the full supporting information on key elements of the influence campaign.'
a111: Logged on 2018-07-04 08:37 diana_coman: uhm, weird stuff: sent the !!v on that !!pay to deedbot but no answer; and otherwise it does answer to further !!ledger (not showing the payment) -> did I mess something up there, trinque ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 23:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831586 << i don't recall, is prostitution legal there too ?
ave1: mod6, v.pl init also downloads any robots.txt file (and then barfs on it when pressing). Could this be removed? (can be done by adding "-e robots=off" to the two wget lines in v.pl)
diana_coman: I thought it was either with number or without number, ugh
diana_coman: it gave me the otp ; it just did not reply/confirm/do anything with the decoded string sent via !!v
diana_coman: uhm, weird stuff: sent the !!v on that !!pay to deedbot but no answer; and otherwise it does answer to further !!ledger (not showing the payment) -> did I mess something up there, trinque ?
mircea_popescu: and to do my part to keeping the history of idiocy recorded : apparently http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-11#972889 moved on to http://sjwiki.org/wiki/SJWiki:FAQ at some point in the intervening years.
mircea_popescu: https://www.dangerous.com/44767/ucla-prof-found-dead-in-hollywood-sex-dungeon/ << "The UK-born professor and dancer fell" just about describes the state of the queen's realm eh.
mircea_popescu: https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/David_Futrelle << maybe also talk to thos lulztards, for the same money :D
mircea_popescu: in other random thoughts re pizarro, anyone asked ncyclopediadramatica.rs how much they want to replace those god-ugly banners to usg.whateveristan ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 16:02 mircea_popescu: and also, you wanna pay me the extra back in ecu in eurloa or keep it on books as prepayment for future auctions ?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831528 << the latter worx. I'll keep a running credit for you and apply to future balances. But if at any point you want to cash in the credit for ecu (or BTC) I will.
asciilifeform: in other interesting rtfm's, https://docs.adacore.com/gnat_ugn-docs/html/gnat_ugn/gnat_ugn/building_executable_programs_with_gnat.html#style-checking << it is possible to trigger enforcement of, e.g., max line width, absence of winblowz linefeeds, tabs, etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831586 << i don't recall, is prostitution legal there too ?
asciilifeform: for instance, the days of desolderable microphone are coming to a close, on-die 'mems' mikes are coming.
asciilifeform: ( current-day chipset makers are very much of the same 'why not' mentality as the bloaty software folx )
asciilifeform: sad part is, thing really does have a gyro. but asciilifeform does not currently know what, if anything, the enemy fw does with the output.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 19:22 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831431 << looks like it indeed was a loose screw. reassembling the thing fixed the issue
asciilifeform: ( https://docs.adacore.com/gnat_ugn-docs/html/gnat_ugn/gnat_ugn/gnat_and_program_execution.html#performing-dimensionality-analysis-in-gnat for the interested gnatologist )
asciilifeform: in other interesting rtfm's, 'The GNAT compiler supports dimensionality checking. The user can specify physical units for objects, and the compiler will verify that uses of these objects are compatible with their dimensions, in a fashion that is familiar to engineering practice. The dimensions of algebraic expressions (including powers with static exponents) are computed from their constituents.' (ch. 6.5)
BingoBoingo: Ah, and found out why the cars are lined up. Gasoline is going up 9% but "Supergas" (propane) is not
BingoBoingo: And in still other local news: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/la-whiskeria-luna-roja-pidio-disculpas-sortear-una-chica-gratis-n1250956
trinque: for all anyone knows I'll be sitting behind the front door with a shotgun for 7 days
asciilifeform: the popularity of vpnism was always a puzzler to asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re ^ -- imho vpnism is even lulzier than torism. at least the tor suckers dun have to pay for it.
BingoBoingo: And the fiber is here
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831431 << looks like it indeed was a loose screw. reassembling the thing fixed the issue
mod6: i about spit out my mineral water when I saw the wired/openbsd link
mircea_popescu: but this aside, the "i will bless" africana is also present, and has been, for a long time. eg http://trilema.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/#selection-27.0-27.105
mircea_popescu: to quote from item in http://trilema.com/2018/so-whats-out-there/ : "Its only good in major city's .. Here's some tips ,copy and paste Dom profiles not in your area . You wouldn't believe how many cute girls msg me because of my profile ... "
asciilifeform: picture the exhaust end of this pipe.
asciilifeform pictures a N-height pile of these
mircea_popescu: ;est you end up paying them later