asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, we have our first idjit with ~current~ key that sits down straight on an old popped mod : http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/391BBDCC87CBADA0F891176D9D45D80B7D5D076E4551151F42B104B717F5E449
asciilifeform: hey, recall how background 5k radio hum of the universe was found.
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise there's disadvantages to a gnat system
asciilifeform: in other lulz, asciilifeform was reading http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832679 and wondered why they wrote 'Rușia' then finally realized that it was a gnat stuck to asciilifeform's display !
asciilifeform: hm, nfi then
asciilifeform: iirc they're alphabetic.
mircea_popescu: 100% of 1/4 of the lot... nuts.
asciilifeform: ( keys with dupe mods get processed correctly, they are addressable as distinct keys but mods are references to a mods table, and dupes get marked as dupes. bernsteintron works on deduped mods table. )
asciilifeform: or hm, nm, it's an artifact of the phuctor stats cache mechanism.
asciilifeform: what this also means, as i understand, is that there are some lusers with >1 mod .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somewhat surprisingly, eater is 1059370 keyz into the spyked parcel, and result is 1059878 new mods ( i.e. avg of >1 per ! )
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/07/07/a-look-at-fraudball-the-terrible-spectator-sport/ << Bingo Blog - A Look At Fraudball, The Terrible Spectator Sport
esthlos: I'm going to think of how to proceed and blog the reasoning
mircea_popescu: it's the direct equivalent of a key, actually. if you regard a rsa key as "a succession of 2048 binary questions" to which one gives exactly correct answers ; then ~choices you make~ are ultimately the basis of identity.
mircea_popescu: then ~that reasoning~ becomes who you are, because it's what people evaluate.
mircea_popescu: the above especially. whole thing works just like eulora price formation, gotta have some sort of reasoning to back you up.
esthlos: gah. hope I don't suck, then
mircea_popescu: i ain't gonna make them for you, even if you turn out to suck at it.
mircea_popescu: esthlos welcome to the mechanisms of lordship. it's your project, it's your job to make this sort of decisions. "should this be rewritten in lisp, imported in ada, be turned into a point of grafting on eucrypt tree ?"
esthlos: but if it's desired for entire thing to be lisp, then yeah
diana_coman: esthlos, you can compile it standalone but indeed because of the bitrate fix you'll need to patch all the way to that at least so getting everything in
mircea_popescu: esthlos of course, if your whole thing is lisp, the utility of ada keccak may be limited ?
esthlos: if standalone is difficult due to eucrypt_keccak_bitrate_fix, then I'll plan to copy code
esthlos: question for diana_coman then, is where to base press to get standalone keccak, as refenced: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/01/18/eucrypt-chapter-6-keccak-transformations/#selection-83.46-83.153
mircea_popescu: this has nothing to do with the particularls, not you, nor the project etc ; it's just how it goes, either way 1 or way 2.
mircea_popescu: or else you copy over the code you want to use into your own tree.
mircea_popescu: i'm not suggesting either ; i'm just saying that you have two ways you could proceed. either identify among the code you wish to reuse a tree to nestle among, and then your vtron would be an eucrypt downstream item, or a phf vtron item or whatever you pick ;
esthlos: trying to figure out what patch I can base the press from to get keccak. seems like its eucrypt_keccak_birate_fix, but that pulls in the other components according to the graph
mircea_popescu: "da fuck ? you told me warm ?!" "yes well... that was then. what, you think medical science made no progress in the interval ?"
mircea_popescu: months pass, the two meet socially. "how goes ?" "i got divorced" "how come ?" "wife -- annoying" "but there's medical cures for that!" "oh, i tried warm compresses till i was black and blue from it" "no, not warm. cold."
mircea_popescu: guy goes to doctor, "doc, my wife is annoying". so doctor recommends warm compresses, to be placed on the annoying parts.
mircea_popescu: you know the joke ?
asciilifeform: in other noose, 4605938 spyked keyz going in starting nao.
mircea_popescu: esthlos there's an eucrypt keccak you can either import (by patching off eucrypt) or copy over (as a different patch).
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 11:40 spyked: btw trinque, I'm getting back to trilemabot-works next week, so I can do the regrind after trilemabot part ii if that's too deep in your queue.
mircea_popescu: trinque the idea is to get a definitive item, does everything.
esthlos: additionally, before I make another mistake, does this warrant redoing the genesis (because original item is broken?), or a new patch?
trinque: is the task for esthlos here to produce a patch util that cares about hashes, or to build all patching functionality into the vtron ?
mircea_popescu: gotta check that the trusted (as established by sigs) transformation is applied on a) what it expects to be applied and b) the provided transformation ~actually matches~ the described transformation that was trusted.
mircea_popescu: and b) you're applying "fuck you()" on the expectation it hashes as "pupcakes and soda cop"
mircea_popescu: esthlos exactly. for all you know a) you're applying patches on the wrong fileset, resulting in a broken / uncompilable pile
mircea_popescu: if your hashes are unchecked, why bother with signatures ?
mircea_popescu: and change how you think. the whole point of even having any of this is to have all of it.
mircea_popescu: and then the hashes aren't checked against the file updated prior to updating and the result after updating it ?
mircea_popescu: "is signed" or "i check the signatures" ?
mircea_popescu: you don't check seals, either ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you trust some random number from a file.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: it matches hashes to build the dependency graph
esthlos: well there is vtools for vdiff, right?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 23:13 trinque: shells out to patch, perhaps the intent there was to end up with an external patch util that understands vpatch hashes. esthlos, maybe shed light?
mircea_popescu: in otherr lulz, chick tastes my steak, "Hey, this isn't steak tartare ; this is steak a la mode"
mircea_popescu transparently has about as much respect for the intellectual productions of north america as for the intellectual productions of the gabon republic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, what i'm waiting for is you discovering there's ~1% NEW keys in that 4.6mn pile. after which we can simply declare github ie "technology" production in the empire dead and move on.
mircea_popescu: right. might as well use realistic terminology rather than their in-universe nonsensical wank.
asciilifeform: ( and/or folx getting their shit together and moving their repo to actual box in-house )
mircea_popescu: not really. thing is used by aspiring spam "companies" the world over to "build history" so they can become candidates for money laundering "acquisitions" later on.
asciilifeform: but historically they always make a 'opposition' snakepit, 'can of pepsi on the left' etc
asciilifeform: incidentally nao that shithub has been officially absorbed into microshit, i expect there will be a 'digg -> reddit'-style exodus of deps to some new 'designated opposition' snakepit. but dunno where this is, yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re "moved on to sucking my cock" : http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/076-shithub-2018-06.html#selection-185.0-189.0
mircea_popescu: socialist capitalism all about dilution, inescapable fundament of the pile.
mircea_popescu: same thing on every other graham-andreessen shitweb "project" or w/e they call them, "leader blabla".
mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/076-shithub-2018-06.html#selection-173.58-173.68 << the game they play is "growth velocity" and "user counts". so...
mircea_popescu: they moved to sucking on my cock.
asciilifeform: so the lemmings moved to ec
mircea_popescu: "the drop was in re men only, they have neotenic children now to make up the difference". mmmkay ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 6.9 -> 4.6 was in re rsa strictly, unless i misread
mircea_popescu: re http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/076-shithub-2018-06.html#selection-149.0-153.220 : you should see the "easy to detect" over @ fetlife, fucktards have five dozen DIFFERENT failure modes, all of them ujust as "specifically laid out". bot code is 60% "handle inept error pages" by mass. so fucking evident it's the result of "incremental development", too.
mircea_popescu: imo the 6.9 -> 4.6 mn drop (ONE THIRD! in a coupla years!) is the news item of the month, year, whatever.
mircea_popescu: author should be whipped to death in public square, as far as i'm concerned ; and all others like him alongside.
mircea_popescu: spyked the ~drawing~ is fucking terrible. and not merely terrible, but i can tell from its bruteforced stupidity exactly how the writing goes, because it's evident enough the same mind does both and how that sort of mind goes.
spyked: asciilifeform, phathub file contains RSA e and N only. but that's a good point, should also post the other ones under some raw form.
asciilifeform: 'As per the figures above, there were only about 4.6 million RSA keys in existence on GitHub on the 1st of July 2018, as opposed to the approximately 6.9 million found by JuroV' << i suspect that the culprit is the massed usg thrust towards 'use ecdsa nao!'
asciilifeform: spyked: the 'Not Found' keys are not necessarily spamological : many of the earlier items featured in http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-things-that-didnt-happen-today-heres-192-cracked-github-keys-some-hotties-in-tech-included-yes/ today return same eggog if you try to load'em from shithub
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma grab the tarball & see.
asciilifeform: spyked: does the csv consist strictly of the rsa keys, or all of'em ? ( asciilifeform currently cannot use non-rsa keys for anyffing )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-28 05:05 mircea_popescu: "A brief page with a few annotations about the Girl Genius web comic, for which a link banner appears to the right, is now on this site." holy shit that's terriblty drawn
spyked: and in log reviews: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-28#1830519 <-- I used to read that some years ago. the references to greek mythology aren't too terrible -- for a comic. otherwise same 'ol steampunk medieval romanticization.
spyked: spoilers: trilemabot-ii will publish prefixed command handling for irc bots. since I'm not the first to implement this, I'll be eager to have curious eyes examining it once it's up.
spyked: btw trinque, I'm getting back to trilemabot-works next week, so I can do the regrind after trilemabot part ii if that's too deep in your queue.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 22:14 mircea_popescu: afaik ben_vulpes made one and trinque the other or somesuch. in general, the cause for this is author1 thinks author2 is an idiot.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 23:40 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831298 << unless you have particular preferences, i'm going to throw it into the same patchset as ircbot. it'll follow the grand ircbot tradition of a genesis that never the less relies on the adjacent patches
spyked: ^ asciilifeform, this is all yours. let me know if there's anything I missed, the archive is in "phathub" format.
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/076-shithub-2018-06.html << The Tar Pit - May-June 2018 Shithub SSH key harvest, data and preliminary analysis
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, if anything says "african woman" better than http://archive.is/Sk6m9#selection-3443.0-3449.1 i wish to know what. because honestly...
mircea_popescu: (as per the letter of the law, perfectly legitimate "business contacts" of everyone reading, seeing how you know the "requisite details" to distinguish ill-colored email from crown-blessed-color colored email.)
mircea_popescu: actually... i suppose might as well get the whole pile archived
mircea_popescu: lobbes (and whoever might care, BingoBoingo asciilifeform ?) in re http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/sales-report-june-2018/#selection-171.12-175.51 : consider the bounty of the internets is indeed great. take for instance : http://www.updates4news.com/kyledata/KyleS_10727_BIZOPP_2015-06-04.txt
mircea_popescu: hey, maybe BingoBoingo wants to talk to dylan for advertising strategic partnership. replace the uberlulzy http://pixel.indieclick.com/annonymous/ block that serves me 3 instances of the same idiotic "Millonarios quieren prohibir este video - ¡Míralo!"
mircea_popescu: "and i score it F, for get the Fuck off the premises, whore. education's not for everybody."
mircea_popescu: http://www.laughspin.com/lahna-turner-how-i-lost-500-pounds-guest-post/ << this is possibly the shittiest "creative writing" 16yo paper i ever had to score
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 12:07 spyked: ^ phf, can you pl0x add this to the btcbase patch list? and http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/src/trilemabot/ ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831298 << unless you have particular preferences, i'm going to throw it into the same patchset as ircbot. it'll follow the grand ircbot tradition of a genesis that never the less relies on the adjacent patches
lobbesbot: phf: The operation succeeded.
phf: considering the slow adoption of the keccak approach and also a large number of existing sha512 patches, i'm planning on doing a regrind where i merge the keccak and the sha branches together, so that vpatch/vdiff can produce both hashes on a switch, until further notice.
trinque: shells out to patch, perhaps the intent there was to end up with an external patch util that understands vpatch hashes. esthlos, maybe shed light?
trinque: can't say off the top of my head if it works with the keccak ones (oughta), but gotta run for now
phf: ah yes, i thought there was something else. does his vtron use keccak by the way, or it's still a shasum -a 512 call out?
phf: i think there's also something from esthlos..
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832312 << there's no reason, i literally just returned from the walk where i remembered some outstanding things i need to do, that was one of them.
BingoBoingo: The abject sadness in this town
asciilifeform: winblowz style. can kill it either in bios setup or somewhere in the heathen configs.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 16:52 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, apparently "screensaver" on "graphical linux", all flavours, BREAKS OPEN PIPES.
asciilifeform: well yes, as seen in literally erry place other than usa and perhaps jp )
asciilifeform: ( in usa hruscheba is build in ~week or 2, as they make from cardboard )
mircea_popescu: (ro used the prefab construction process -- first, send mining equipment, flatten land ; then, put in rail ; then, roll out a rail crane, and roll prefab on cars up to it ; then move the derivation
mircea_popescu: city in the dumb-but-cocky part of romania, famous principally for the "seven wonders of stupidty"
asciilifeform: caracal?! the african wild cat ??
mircea_popescu: meanwhile " In 2014 Dundee was recognised by the United Nations as the UK's first UNESCO City of Design for its diverse contributions to fields including medical research, comics and video games."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832308 << to expand on this, with the linked mips example, already can haz e.g. 32bit cpu with no pipeline, no cache, etc ~but~ fits in ice40.
trinque: anybody that wants to help verify the portage genesis.vpatch later oughta try building the musl gentoo in my post.
asciilifeform: ave1: this is The Right Thing, let glibc go to the bottom of the sea where it belongs.
ave1: Then I decided I could better spend my time on musl than trying to salvage anything from gnu libc
asciilifeform: the given demo gives you uart and that's it. ( hypothetically could internet over uart, ye olde 'slip/ppp' )
ave1: mircea_popescu, dlopen part is from the gnu libc, the init code (even for the static code) in gnu libs depends on functions from the dlopen.o. I think that then causes the whole dlopen.o to be included. I never could get the definite mapping (ld allows you to create a map but it was not helpful)
asciilifeform: would need nic also ( see the old nic thread )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to bake a e.g. iron trbi, or the like, you'd need to init and talk to the sata card, this is not given in the example ( but not particularly difficult )
asciilifeform: rom.ld is the linker memorymap magic, also educational, produces a bootable kernel.
asciilifeform: boot_qemu.asm is the minimal x86-64 init and stage1 loader.
asciilifeform: updated the taball, new sha512==6b131ba3529ae9856f0befa260c1a477b068197a9e3b24571308c528bc1373c2ca71f6065e1146dbe9329f115a2fe53469f0d7528a729f73194d75365e7f63f8
mircea_popescu: ie, we've managed to stockade it, at least. digestion can then proceed.
mircea_popescu: a minimal os + custom built fs (doubling as bitcoin specific db ; possibly written as raid firmware at least in part) + proper net driver (i really don't need iptables ad-hoc scripting lang to do what evidently and universally bitcoin node has to do) + grandfather pistols bitcoin code => an actual definitive package.
asciilifeform: hmm seems like i forgot to include the sage gdb loaders, 1s
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831980 << no, it's a script that'll build the system from scratch, using a snapshot of external deps
asciilifeform: there is a x86-64 pagetable unit, and uart init. some of the routines are in c, but quite simple to translate. there is a heathen printf, can tear it out, or use for hexdumps etc.
mircea_popescu: " The hello world example from the previous installment can be build and it's size inspected. It is now at 2.6k (down from 54k) on my computer" aaa yes
asciilifeform: i will put in the log, what this is, and how to eat it
a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 14:17 ave1: thx! now if anyone can be bother to design a board with multiple ice40
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832233 << there's all that discussion of fabric fabrication...
mircea_popescu: o wow that's his irc client ? i thought he literally meant "mother".
mircea_popescu: And after spending his earnings foolishly he beats his wife -- the man that promised to protect her during life -- and so the man would if there was no drink in society, for seldom a man beats his wife in a state of sobriety.
mircea_popescu: Thou causeth the mother to neglect her child, also the father to act as he were wild, so that he neglects his loving wife and family dear, by spending his earnings foolishly on whisky, rum and beer.
mircea_popescu: Oh, thou demon Drink, thou fell destroyer; thou curse of society, and its greatest annoyer. What hast thou done to society, let me think? I answer thou hast caused the most of ills, thou demon Drink.
mircea_popescu: next you'll be having sex, and who knows what other unspeakable horrors banned in boston.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 17:15 asciilifeform: in fact, this sorta happened, recall the early crt tv and its xray killzone
mircea_popescu: who the fuck even ships a "screensaver", what is this, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831830 future ?!
mircea_popescu: i don't understand how they propose anyone use those things. "here's a pile of very important features that you must turn off one by one in order to get the box bacl"
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, apparently "screensaver" on "graphical linux", all flavours, BREAKS OPEN PIPES.
Bigtexasbingo: Just the colo. Rock chips
a111: Logged on 2017-01-19 23:35 asciilifeform: theoretically you can, e.g., host www on just an uart.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 18:06 asciilifeform: now switching from the depressive tack, to the crackpot track, i ~did~ get high speed uart going on one of those all-in-one amd64 boxes.
mircea_popescu: very much the exact opposite of http://trilema.com/2011/ce-am-pierdut-si-voi-n-ati-avut/ discussion.
mircea_popescu: thinking about this, it's fucking evident what difference the online made for the thinking mind. yes i was a child, but child or no child, it didn't occur to me that i must have a gns link to the item that i like. "this" and pointing was an acceptable manner of reference in the 90s, because why the hell wouldn't it be and what's a global namespace anyway.
mircea_popescu: did i ever tell you the story of ye olde 8086 friend had that could drop into asm-er from bios ?
mircea_popescu: maybe we should asm the log, simplify array access :D
asciilifeform: funnily enuff asciilifeform posted the necessary asm a while back, but grrr can't find in log yet
mircea_popescu: i like his approach, ftr. tempered ingenuity, wiggle things one at a time towards the greater goal.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 13:43 ave1: Also, I just checked, it is fine to put the start.o in the libgnat.a so next step may well be that the makefile can be removed again.
asciilifeform: in other noose, herr asahara hangs.
asciilifeform: ( the src is pedantically, painfully commented, but whoknows )
ave1: I was reading through the fg design (doing experiments with circuit simulators to see how the RNG might work etc). I'll just continue with the next step.
asciilifeform: ice40, unlike the xilinx cplds, also includes 32kB of onboard sram. so possibly can have small cache, or extra registers, or some other useful item.
asciilifeform: the simplest (text i/o only) mips emul asciilifeform likes, is 'gxemul' , should suffice to test.
ave1: thx! now if anyone can be bother to design a board with multiple ice40
asciilifeform: the ice40 breakthrough however means that we can be own mips producer.
ave1: It seems that the American one (Cavium?) is also unobtainable
ave1: yes, did you ever hear anything back from the russian mips producers?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform in particular would like a gnat for mips, given as the latter actually fits in an ice40
asciilifeform: ave1: x86, arm, mips, at the very least.
asciilifeform: ave1: ultimate brass ring is where we can dispense with os (in the usual sense)
asciilifeform: ( init the x64 page table, jump, serial port for i/o )
ave1: now there was something with asserts, but I'll have to dig this up again and do a few experiments
asciilifeform: i'll read the whole thing and get back .
asciilifeform: ave1: also keep in mind that you can't get away with not having the last-resort exception handler -- preconds and asserts demand it
ave1: asciilifeform, yes that was my first reaction too. It does does something with word copying though and also individual files can be build without any of the extra gnat checks. So maybe the ada versions can be stand-ins so long as a native asm based version has not been written.
asciilifeform: ave1: pretty neat. 1 nitpick, however: generally you don't want memcpy and memmove to be in anything but asm -- otherwise whole proggy is abominably slow ( ada proggy spends quite a bit of time clearing buffers and passing fairly large chunks of data by value )
ave1: Also, I just checked, it is fine to put the start.o in the libgnat.a so next step may well be that the makefile can be removed again.
diana_coman: hmm, but you can in any case just write a .gpr that builds the object files for precisely the files you want, no/
ave1: the startup.S file, it needs to end up as a separate object file and not part of libgnat.a
diana_coman: what was exactly you couldn't build with gprbuild and needed the makefile for?
ave1: thx diana_coman, It's now very minimal, mostly so that it can be understood as is. I'm working on adding all the code in so that at least ffa can build.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/07/05/settling-into-apartment-life/ << Bingo Blog - Settling Into Apartment Life
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/xa79A#selection-4043.0-4055.26 >> 166 A6 Feminine ordinal indicator / 167 A7 Masculine ordinal indicator << where the fuk is this used?!
asciilifeform: ditto, naturally, chinesium ( plenty of cn/jp'kanji' are decomposable into subglyphs, the amt of use made of this fact : 0 )
asciilifeform: phunphakt -- because of insistence on supporting idjit rendering systems, they let korean ( hangul ) script eat O(N^4) space ! ( i.e. erry possible combo of subglyphs ) apparently.
asciilifeform: srsly?! what did they put in its place, urdu ?
mircea_popescu: used to be exactly what alf says, the building blocks of "gui".
asciilifeform: in other definitely-not-noose, turns out chechen has ( sorta like the turkic langs ) an astonishing proliferation of tenses ( e.g. you cannot say 'last night epony was impaled on scimitar', gotta specify a tense that depends on e.g. whether you personally witnessed said edifying act, and whether impaled repeatedly or merely 1 thrust, or... )
mircea_popescu: the issue of textual->pictographic representation is a lot wider and deeper than what the imbeciles rephrased it as, and proceeded to "solve" in their usual fucktarded manbners.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect the "unicode" problem is tightly bound into this.
asciilifeform: 1 of the things asciilifeform would luvvv to see reimplemented in a nearfyootoor sane scripting lisp
asciilifeform: motherfucking opensores liquishit
asciilifeform: lol the cheek.
mircea_popescu: i guess next time i ban his whole c class. two bit shitheads on two bit shitnet with pooled ips
epony: cut the crap, what do you want?
epony: almost there
epony: Can you guess what the answer was?
mircea_popescu: https://www.zdnet.com/article/cdt-pulls-the-trigger-on-180solutions-and-cjb-net-for-deceptive-and-unfair-business-practices/ << 2006 piece about item still sending referralspam.
asciilifeform: afaik they did not like lefthanders any moar than europistan did.
asciilifeform: btw how the fuck does one go about writing r->l orclangs without smudging, i'd like to know.
asciilifeform idly wonders whether this actually displays on anybody's box but mine
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 22:12 mircea_popescu: a language dumb enough, by the way, that there's no way to distinguish between "i expect" and "i hope". espera-m-ia-i pula.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> a language dumb enough, by the way, that there's no way to distinguish between "i expect" and "i hope". espera-m-ia-i pula. << My eyebrows have been getting an incredible amount of exercise here
asciilifeform: ... these are just about eternal, just needs change of oil erry 3 decades or so
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has this recurrent real-life nightmare erry time he has to replace a piece of ancestral tech. most recently, i shit thee not, a pillow
mircea_popescu: a language dumb enough, by the way, that there's no way to distinguish between "i expect" and "i hope". espera-m-ia-i pula.
mircea_popescu: and yes definitely from "back home", bought it in romania, was unable to replace because spanish speakers are idiots to a man, for the reason that their stupid mothers spoke a stupid language to them.
asciilifeform: mine loox sorta like old-style kimono, the kind to seppuku in, and is prolly 20yo at this point
mircea_popescu: yet EVERY shop in this cowtown HAS IT. same exact item. everywhere. pretentious malls, built for no reason, "expensive" "brand" shops, offering... the same exact nothings.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the agronomist society ?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You gotta look for the girls that grew up in places where "4H" is a thing
mircea_popescu: yes it's fundamentally stupid ; but superficially sane. and in a world that's fucking stupid throughout, the "i don't give a shit what they started with, they have x y z working processes" is quite tempting.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform sews own, i shit thee not, buttons.
mircea_popescu: they're so god damned useful, these pointless morons, i have an assembly line of stripper-phds running all over to find the most banal of items.
asciilifeform: sounds exactly liek the shoes thread etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't remind me, i am $1000 dollars into the adventure of finding underwear for myself.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 23:41 asciilifeform: generally -- the industrialist saw the artisan as a headache, and killed him. nao we get to 'enjoy' the fruits of de-artisan'ed industry.
asciilifeform: re gui-ism, naggum had a pretty good discussion re the resulting psychopatholigies, i cannot possibly top it
mircea_popescu: what the "gay community" got out of the mess is that it's actually even MORE difficult for gay man to find a partner today than it was in 1980.
mircea_popescu: i care about how "the world was briefly better for X insignificant minority" like i care about flea pageants.
mircea_popescu: it'd have been a fuckhell of a lot better to NOT liberalize it, and for the effort we'd still have a bunch of sad faggots crying in the corner, AND ALSO a natural and universally confirmed expectation 20something housewife-to-be can work webirc by herself on first encounter.
mircea_popescu: but what we got for the "diverse, inclusive internet" is the move from the "sov schooling & father's army belt" 1980s where ~all kids understood most basic things naturally~ through a period of "confusion" and into this situation of smartphone and food delivery, where ~all kids understand nothing useful~.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:23 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 16:40 asciilifeform: gnat has a deliberately brittle behaviour re the restriction pragmas -- if you use one it doesn't know about, it barfs. ( and i'm not even convinced that this is wrong. half of the appeal of ada is that it takes 'postel's law', rips off its head, and fucks the stump )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are some very strong arguments available for intolerance.
mircea_popescu: very much like "preventing ~other people~ from smoking means 7% of the taxpayers don't die early from cancer they got ~in this manner~, so they either find some other abortion mechanism or else even worse news, they get to pass on their shitgenes)
asciilifeform: reportedly to this very day NOTHING in jp comes in left-hand -- not desks, not toilets, not rifles in their miniature army, nuffin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hence the old-time su (or, for that matter current-day jp) solution: There Will Not Be Lefthanders. Period.
mircea_popescu: "oh, but this means 7% of kids don't get their shit beat out of them regularly ages 6-9 for THIS reason"
mircea_popescu: somehow this never figures in the blather (also called "conversation" in-universe) : that the COST for "being inclusive to left handed people" is that a) all tools now must come with manual indicating whether left or right handed item and b) it's ambiguous, when going for a tool, which hand to go with.
asciilifeform: and just how many webirc scrips are there.