diana_coman: he "knows" rather than knows
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 15:14 mircea_popescu: this is definitely the contribution of modernity to the human bestiary, items who know plain well they're doing the wrong thing and proceed nevertheless. such a wonder'd be incomprehensible to say aristotle.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836702 -> hm, what, people didn't use to lie to themselves that well or what? I rather suspect it's simply that they don't leave any trace/interest over that much time
mircea_popescu: anyway, hurting people who misbehave in face of "unexpected" (or, even more cheekily, "undesirable") experimental results is definitely a prime directive. because if you don't do it, you'll end up being friends with them, and being friends with them is going to ruin you for experimental work. cue that whole "liars can't be scientists" discussion here.
mircea_popescu: anyway, he could have handled it a lot better, but it's one of those "girl come out of a whore dynasty and who spent most of her days on porn set even since she was 5 could've handled her dress coming off at the wedding party better". sure, she could've, if anyone had as much as told her that not all parties consist of her taking all available cocks in all available holes.
mircea_popescu: and it is a fundamental problem, yes. the idea that impossibility is a legitimate secret is fundamental to the whole construction. not here and there, but quite universally and to laughable extents.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how much time you spent in boardrooms of "blue chip" usg "companies", but this is ~99.9x% of the fare.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but there's a tradition of petty characters taking poorly to "unexpected" (or, even more cheekily, "undesirable") experimental results.
asciilifeform: i can picture this. it beggars belief tho, because ' mp: d00d, yer tanker has no bottom ' ' tat: but i want to sail!! ' 'mp : sail by yerself then '
mircea_popescu: and then he just couldn't cope, because items like "there's no need for private consultation once thermodynamics makes the purpose illegitimate" is just not something he ever encountered or can deal with.
mircea_popescu: i believe he just couldn't cope, because a) "this dude supported MY IDEA!!!! and then withdrew without ~private~ consultation" and b) this dude SPOKE OUT as to the flaws of item. both of these barbaric acts contradicted his expectations (because ustards #1 contribution to the "value add" of any "company" or "project" they're involved with is hiding its flaws from the public)
mircea_popescu: ie, i think the item was dood's idea, i supported it (ie, with money), then when it became obvious there can't be such a thing as "altcoin" i stopped supporting it and plainly said so (and why).
mircea_popescu: mod6 nah, there was something else, i suspect rather http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
asciilifeform was partially tuned in , but barfed, in those days, hence the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 item etc
mircea_popescu: i expect as the empire loses any hope of "oh, mp doesn't matter, we got ethereum" we'll be coming right back to that, "consensus" stuff.
mircea_popescu: lol recall the good old days of 2012, when a "different" confederacy of dunces was all herpaderp ?
mod6: where does the time go, eh?
asciilifeform: iirc that was when he dropped off the radar, fwiw.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea, schmuck never had the decency to say.
mircea_popescu: not encountered in the classical world.
mircea_popescu: this is definitely the contribution of modernity to the human bestiary, items who know plain well they're doing the wrong thing and proceed nevertheless. such a wonder'd be incomprehensible to say aristotle.
mircea_popescu: the workings of the stupid brain. he EVIDENTLY KNOWS what he's doing wrong, and why and wherefore. necessarily, or else what, it's all an accident ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, meanwhile scrolled up enough ; this is the very dragon day, isn't it.
mircea_popescu: in the end, making hardware registers is cheap enough...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836677 << coupla yrs back asciilifeform was able to guess the internal arch and disasm some of that nic init crapola. it's completely meaningless without somehow reversing the die -- consists of coupla thousand writes to hardware regs of unknown function. i suspect that this is entirely typical.
mircea_popescu: to which a cripple by the sidelines is quick to add "besides, it's not true they don't work in any absolute, objective sense. if everyone used wooden muskets they'd work out in the end just as good as now..."
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 16:33 asciilifeform: GB nics have 2 parts, that are electrically independent and often made by separate firms, the 'mac' and 'phy' (the latter is what actually drives the transformer, the former -- what you/os think of as 'the nic')
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836675 << it's similar to the situation with the GB nics ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631811 thread ) -- the opentards write driver which includes half a meg of .h hexolade, 'initializations', lifted from the vendor turd, and somehow this still is considered 'open'
mircea_popescu: "why would you want to fight with a wooden musket ?" "THEY ARE CHEAPER TO MAKE!" "they also don't work ?" "nevertheless!"
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
mircea_popescu: this cult of the holy subtitution, you know ? "we'll replace 30mn germans with 100mn russians, through a whole lotta http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#922644 ; it's true they're not very good, but they can fight acceptably even with wooden musket!"
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 14:21 mircea_popescu: but the fundamental failure imported via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818281 leads to this sad situation where asciilifeform , product of said wood as he deems himself, is sitting with idiots all day playing their idiocy games, so as to be able to work at making small faberge eggs with me at night, informally an' under the covers. why the fuck is not asciilifeform working on really great faberge eggs in the tzar's own p
jurov: all opensource drivers depend on the "sys-kernel/linux-firmware" package too
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 13:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836595 << the vga bios ?? it's, what, 80kB, and runs on boot strictly, you can disasm it ( e.g. see that it dun install oddball smm handlers etc ) , problem is that the work ain't worth much for any 3d card known to me, because still demands multi-MB kernel bincrapola
mircea_popescu: they shot the wrong part of the tzar, of course. as per ye olde, ye eternally olde and never going anywhere http://trilema.com/2015/the-rabbi-and-the-ewe/#selection-39.437-39.522
mircea_popescu: but the fundamental failure imported via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818281 leads to this sad situation where asciilifeform , product of said wood as he deems himself, is sitting with idiots all day playing their idiocy games, so as to be able to work at making small faberge eggs with me at night, informally an' under the covers. why the fuck is not asciilifeform working on really great faberge eggs in the tzar's own p
mircea_popescu: i'm sure he meant well and he tried hard and all that, heck, reduced the peasantry something fierce.
mircea_popescu: i'm not impugning either the man or his work product. yes, through stalin "russian" became a thing to be, much like through hammurabi or david or whatever prior etc.
asciilifeform: observe, stalin sent a good 1 in 4 of 'brave boys' to go an' cut wood, dig for uranium. so bought his project another 50y.
asciilifeform: ? And so traditional culture gave way to consumerist culture, proper meals became bags of chips and bottles of pop not for any other reason than the satisfying tearing sound, that fschhhh of a bottle that's never again going to be a bottle ever again, and here we are'
asciilifeform: 'It's really very much a thing, and the collapse of traditional society, with its reusable houses intended for multiple generations, populated with cast iron pots capable of making many thousands of meals and solid oak tables to be slowly ground into cleanliness each week eerily reflects the return of agitated young males from the battlefields of World War Two. Who's going to tell "our brave boys" that they can't have what they want
asciilifeform: soon as they sat down on the 'comfort' train, as described in http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/#selection-103.0-103.437 , it was done deal.
mircea_popescu: and indeed it works splendidly, i can't remember the last time anyone noteworthy was born in our colonies.
mircea_popescu: thence "human rights" aka nobody HAS TO ever do anything ; and "caring for the environment" ie nobody can use anything external for any purpose ; and "raising awareness" ie "isn't your bellybutton lint fascinating!!" and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: "how to ensure a future for our children ?" "by elaborately doing nothing with all we've got all day long!" "but... why ?!" "because then they'll be perfectly able to do exactly what we're doing in turn, and the doing something will maybe be forgotten!"
mircea_popescu: my grandmother told me this joke when i was 5 or so. i had forgotten it ; but then i met america, and hence i can't get it out of my mind.
mircea_popescu: truck stops in insane asylum courtyard, the locals are drafted to help unloading. happily they proceed : three get up on the bed on the left side, throw things to people down, who pass it hand-by-hand to the people on the right side, who build it right up. "merge treaba ?" "merge!!!11"
asciilifeform: funnily enuff , stalin by all appearances realized that he's working with defectives, went through 3 rounds of killing off the left half of his staff , evidently needed 4th, 5th, but old age caught up.
mircea_popescu: kinda how the usg manages to produce nothing out of the shredding of whatever their share of rembrandts & eulers would be, in a population 20 times the size.
mircea_popescu: as that expression goes, "the smartest tools in the world aren't worth diddly squat when applied to a faulty premise"
mircea_popescu: this... i mean, sure, man's admirable. but what he sets himself to doing, is both driven by inept ideology and dysfunctional. heroic as he might be in the doing, the deed's ultimately fucking stupid.
mircea_popescu: anyway. socialist, see ? what "garbage collecting" ended up meaning for him was "how about we send a buncha caucasian farmboys to give berliner chicks a mn or so not-specifically-wanted new pregnancies. so they can all grow up "together" and sing lalala."
asciilifeform can't comment fully objectively, as he is muchly product of the 'wood trunk' , in 9000 ways.
mircea_popescu: stalin garbage collected nothing, which is how we have the wailing set of today's "germans".
mircea_popescu: "wouldn't it be cheaper to do it the normal way ?" "what then of all this wood ?" "i dunno, make tootpicks or something"
asciilifeform: dunno, last d00d who managed to make orcs perform to human spec, was peter. apparently they happen erry 300y or so.
mircea_popescu: the shoemaker's literal shoemaking skills, admirable as they might've been, fail to hold interest.
mircea_popescu: ok, but this is like holding djb in a lot of regard because mathematician. sure, certainly. yet still utter shithead when it comes to you know, living, or making sense of & in the world.
mircea_popescu: i don't hold stalin in much more regard either.
mircea_popescu: i'm talking of human beings here. obviously the scum is broken.
asciilifeform: or hey, consider the old shoemaker.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between when stupidity is a character flaw, such as in mongolia, and when stupidity is a social requirement, such as in san francisco.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, i wasn't surprised when d00d confessed. ( tho admittedly 'under the heel' d00dz existed in the past, and even orcistan, e.g. saharov )
mircea_popescu: a sickening display, especially when they pretend this has something to do with "civilisation". it eminently does not, castration is not medicine and cuckoldry is not civilisation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was pretty evident. the end result of the societal changes driven by the roosevelt-socialist government (aptly summarized as "female is the only legitimate owner of property") is that 2nd generation consists of these innefectual males bound to the great mother through the simple fact that well, she owns the hut.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 02:24 mircea_popescu: not just the art. wesnoth thing is fine example. apparently someone's idea of "fun" and "playing" is... click through list in cycles.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in noose re olds , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699874 >> https://archive.is/JU7ai << 'arbitrary code execution by exploiting a vulnerability within the Lua scripting language engine... ...can be exploited remotely...'
a111: Logged on 2016-03-28 15:32 asciilifeform: lives, iirc, under the heel of his wife (i could be mistaken, but did get this impression from the 4-5 h we spent together)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836591 << aah but the linked trilema piece doesn't even tell us about the d00d's henpecking . but luckily the l0gz do: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28#1440752
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 07:23 deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected-on-gentoo-tips-n-tricks-for-the-uninitiated/ << lobbesblog - logbot-multiple-channels-corrected on Gentoo: Tips n' Tricks for the Uninitiated
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836594 << pretty great. but reminded me , 'As such, I'm just going to provide a pointer to the Quicklisp installation page and leave it at that' << at some point 'quicklisp' will have to be cured. right nao it's an open-ended heathen hole.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 09:23 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836553 << asciilifeform we had this discussion and you barfed at the binary firmware which is still necessary, even for 10y old cards
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836595 << the vga bios ?? it's, what, 80kB, and runs on boot strictly, you can disasm it ( e.g. see that it dun install oddball smm handlers etc ) , problem is that the work ain't worth much for any 3d card known to me, because still demands multi-MB kernel bincrapola
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836426 <-- funny. even bucharest, the shithole capital of nowhere in particular, with its swamp atmosphere, managed to get rid of the little bastards in the last decade. 20 yrs ago, very similar "mosquito hell".
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836553 << asciilifeform we had this discussion and you barfed at the binary firmware which is still necessary, even for 10y old cards
deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected-on-gentoo-tips-n-tricks-for-the-uninitiated/ << lobbesblog - logbot-multiple-channels-corrected on Gentoo: Tips n' Tricks for the Uninitiated
ben_vulpes: esthlos: deedbot is right there, and a fine shared wallet
BingoBoingo: Hello alumno, who are you and what brings you around these parts?
mircea_popescu: because the debuggee keeps dying, which results in gdb apparently taking water.
asciilifeform: ( and can't resist to ask, what makes ya think it's gdb, and not the debuggee )
mircea_popescu: i can't be the first person to run gdb over multi-week stretches.
mircea_popescu: aaand apparently my gdb has a memory leak. what the fuck.
asciilifeform: crapple 'plz reboot for update!' is erry bit as infuriating the 9001st time as 1st.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:23 phf: tech. i'm (and ascii) on the other hand are fully imersed in the pain points, you kind of stop feeling them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i never got the on-die thermometer reader to work. possibly improved since.
mircea_popescu: should be visible in a diagnose or other*
asciilifeform: to be fair i can't rule out iron problem, in the case of my old card, i suspect it did not like 24/7 duty cycle
mircea_popescu: actually i'd say they're a standard sui generis, "if you're going to distribute binaries, at least do them as well as nvidia"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, if it makes you feel better, the nvidia binaries of late are absolutely rock solid, i never ever had a problem ; moreover they even fix shitty apt-get messes.
asciilifeform: iirc the breaking point for me was screen rotation, if i can't get 90degree displays i throw card out
mircea_popescu: ie, the video card problem is mostly solved, large stocks exist, getting some chips pried open would be useful.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is the death of moore bit them in the ass too. i am very happy with 10year old cards as it is. and even when i buy "new", i buy old ones.
mircea_popescu: after all, industrialized intolerance is how i made my living, back in the day.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had a thread re this ; the gnarl is roughly similar to xilinx reversing ( they switch chip revisions erry quarter or so, by the time a card is ~acceptably reversed , it is long out of print )
phf: tech. i'm (and ascii) on the other hand are fully imersed in the pain points, you kind of stop feeling them.
phf: first time i spent two months in india, swiming and eating and pretty much nothing else, i had to perform some very minor operation for the banking contract i was doing at the time: took me an entire day just to get through a 5 minute process, and i cursed and hated the entire time, because the steps were pointless, unnatural, and clearly designed to inflict pain on the operator. i suspect this is how mp feels when dealing with modern
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:17 mircea_popescu: for contrast, i recently wasted an entire fucking day with the following bit of gymnastics : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-15.log.html#t20:35:50
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836529 << ftr i haven't in many yrs succeeded in getting 3d gpu running on linux box, so mircea_popescu is ahead of me there
asciilifeform: i operate these, it's how i eat.
mircea_popescu: i'll note that everthying the republicans deliver builds like a fucking charm, be it ffa, avetronics or what have you. i've never had a problem of this sort inside the walls.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:10 mircea_popescu: for that matter, apple wants to take advantage of tmsr-style release, let them get in l1. but even before that, it's so shocking to me alf would accept a binary from "bintray.com" as some sort of item.
mircea_popescu: i do not pose as expert gymnast in any sense ; and yes this caliber turd is somewhat common in unixworld altogether. but still, holy hell, fucking gymnastics.
phf: correct, though now, dealing with say gentoo i suspect that olympic gymnastics are a requirement to deal with the mess in general.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-07-15 20:35:50: <mircea_popescu> so the problem consisted of my running through the whole list of http://www.eulorum.org/Ubuntu requisite packages list. libgl1-mesa-dev (which ... isn't even fucking needed, i am now running eulora without it) fucked my video drivers (in a strange halfway manner, prolly fucked some userland wrapper somewhere). reinstalling the nvidia originals fixed it.
mircea_popescu: for contrast, i recently wasted an entire fucking day with the following bit of gymnastics : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-15.log.html#t20:35:50
phf: i think an insignificant amount of time, ignoring compilation time, but then at the time i knew exactly where to cut, so to speak, and how
mircea_popescu: and two years ago, how long did it take you to get the wheels to spin ?
phf: i haven't, i haven't built it in about 2 years, but then i haven't installed it on macs in about two years either
mircea_popescu: (none of this is spurious dicking about, either. we're going to end up needing both some sort of standard of ok-ness on one hand ; and specifically in the case of X it's like, the one looming mysql-esque cuntoo wrecker)
mircea_popescu: ok, but specifically x is exactly the mess of improbable libraries etc. have you pkgsrc'd it recently anywhere ?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, apple wants to take advantage of tmsr-style release, let them get in l1. but even before that, it's so shocking to me alf would accept a binary from "bintray.com" as some sort of item.
mircea_popescu: but, again, there's no room for this "on windows, we use autoupdate", "on mac we distribute binaries", "in india we shit in the street" w/e. hence the girl old ipad comment.
mircea_popescu: i expect there is, yes.
phf: macports or homebrew which are portage versions for apple. at least macports can still be used to build xquartz from scratch. i've not personally tried that in a long time, so it's possible that there's serious wrecker situation there.
phf: mircea_popescu: the upstream X is already a mess of libraries, substantial gymnastics are required to build it on any system without assistance of something like gentoo's portage. in case of apple things are typically distributed as a binary, which is what i linked above. xquartz.org also has the sources, that are patched versions of original freedesktop code. one could theoretically build that by hand, but typically one would use
mircea_popescu: i read "substantial gymnastics" in the sense of, needed to c) above.
phf: mircea_popescu: well, the linked bit is a binary, since the bit that i disputed from asciilifeform is "substantial gymnastics"
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : should i double click that on an apple, i'd find a bundle so that a) if i exclude all non-text files i can then b) use at least one specified version of a compiler chain i can build in same manner so as to c) produce object files which then d) run on my system.
phf: bsd libc, there's some creeping divergences that were introduced by apple in parts that are not covered by either posix or libc
phf: xquartz builds with an llvm for sure, it built with a gcc recently, it's quite likely that it still builds with gcc, since it's a direct fork of freedesktop version (but then it's not clear what crazy things fd put into X11 proper upstream), you can find a range of vintage that'll build all the way back to 10.4, but i'm not sure if you can build what i linked on e.g 10.4 specifically. the bulk of code there is combination of posix AND
mircea_popescu: care to bolt them down or not really ?
phf: mircea_popescu: there's enough goal posts for wide movement in this question, that neither "yes" nor a "no" would be a correct answer
mircea_popescu: one of the girls has an old ipad.
mircea_popescu is too lazy to burn the dmg, and discover the ten trillion subtle breakages each of which thoroughly suffices to sink the proposed argument.
asciilifeform: ( i have the box mainly to run -- yes -- microshit vm's ... )
mircea_popescu: phf it's a legitimate pov, seriously now. why should i have to follow the (closed source! very tenuous! and burdensome!) process apple chose ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phakt, i replicated phuctor on a mac lappy (it happened to be the one in the room with sufficient free disk) and it works -- except that apparently gdb no longer works on latest crapple os
asciilifeform: and x aside, do we need to do the gdb thread again ?
asciilifeform: inb4 'use the app store' lol.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 12:47 asciilifeform: phf: in commercial work i use things that would turn the strongest stomach. now, as always, speaking of civilized work.
asciilifeform: phf: from having one in the next room, lol
asciilifeform: afaik the only republical item that builds unmodified on current crapple is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835881 , and strictly from eschewing pretty much any nontrivial posixism
mircea_popescu: they mostly dropped bsd afaik
asciilifeform: ( tho theoretically, crapple has departed far enuff from posix that it perhaps is ripe for a cygwin-like item . but i dun much care for rescuing crapple drowners, either )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 21:33 asciilifeform: but dollars to doughnuts if you dun have e.g. pdp11, you won't bother reading its ifdef blocks; and supposing you did read'em, your grasp of what takes place inside won't be worth much if you don't regularly inhabit that platform
asciilifeform: phf: i in particular won't sign winblowz patches out of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830228 principle. but if d00d wants to -- he can, his own v branch, i have nfi why he wants to , but it'll sit there, for archaeologists.
phf: some libc's (specifically in glibc, musl, there's also a custom one in busybox. presumably cygwin/mingw comes with a glibc derivative), but that shouldn't be used directly. PeterL's patch is not needed on linux/freebsd/apple.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 18:03 phf: PeterL: the approach that we've been taking with legacy C code is pulling out autotools, and replacing with a single #ifdef/.. configuration header. outside of linux/bsd code is probably not going to work, and the approach is to look at the configuration header file (http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_sha_static/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 in case of vtools) and patch it for your system
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 15:11 PeterL: while I have the mic: I did end up fixing the problem http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830121 , see http://petermlambert.blogspot.com/2018/07/vdiffshadefineswapvpatch.html
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836372 << fyi, i appreciate the hackery, but the relevant code is already in the vtools http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vdiff_sha/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 as I mentioned in logs http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830179 the problem is that byteswapping is non-standard. each libc implements its own. more importantly __bswap64 that PeterL is using is an internal inline function, that exists in
asciilifeform: so the 'poor->stupid' circuit dun engage
asciilifeform: i suspect 'bio failure' is pretty abstract concept to fella who wakes up and counts the porches etc
mircea_popescu: the process through one becomes a failure.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, romanian "ratarea", french "c'est rate ( http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/#selection-87.1-89.14 )". it's a fucking category. to fail, not "at something", but as a biological attempt.
mircea_popescu: much in the vein of giancarlo giannini calls mariangela melato "cretina!" and the imbecile translator regales his eager public with "you stupid bitch!". because totally, "cretin!" is not a thing in english.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 19:55 mircea_popescu: or is it going to be the case that you'll go through the motions of pretending interest in whatevert topic du jour and i'm not going to say anything because i';m lazy ? what's the thinking ?
mircea_popescu: basically http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651446 ; and by the perennial butthurt whenever that shoe drops, it's evident enough nobody in these morons' lives EVER fucking sat them down and told them plainly what a failure fucking is and how they can become one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but that's the fashionable thing, ever since "our brave boys in uniform" came back, erryone's permitted to go about pretending as if they have some kind of business.
mircea_popescu: and also the "oh but mp, that's not the EXACT specific narrowly defined line" isn't permissible either. a "doctor" who can't equalize a molar transform is no fuckinfg doctor, i don't care how he thinks chemistry "is not properly part of doctorhood"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc d00d was loaded -- but in the 'inherit 10mil to make 1mil' sense strictly
mircea_popescu: yes, teh republic is un poco carente in the commercial lines ; nevertheless the epsilon here far exceeds the zero there.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 20:04 mircea_popescu: dude, just call. nevermind the "questions" and rest of the crap. spend 1/10 of the time you frittered away already "on" this to call, write up your report, "i, pete d, aspiring to one day lordship, spent 8 hours today cold calling. i managed a total of 76 calls, which would get me fired from the average call center but hey, i'm new. these 76 calls went to so and so, here's the script, here's why i ammended it and when, here's
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 16:51 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836413 << lulzy fella, e.g. most recently 'Marketing/branding is something that, unfortunately, the folks in ye olde #trilema utterly fail to comprehend, if quite intentionally so, but the result is the same : they collectively couldn’t market, brand, or sell their way out of a paper bag and childishly mock any attempts to improve on that score. Such is the bed they’ve made for themselves.' ( ht
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836422 << he has exactly zero room to pretend to any kind of commercial knowledge, seeing how http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651459 ; if he was worth two shits in the supposed field of his choice, we'd have known this as a matter of fact in 2017.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: as far as I can tell the bee sting variety, but I have seen a couple people with sizeable welts returning to the hostel from there after day trips
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836413 << lulzy fella, e.g. most recently 'Marketing/branding is something that, unfortunately, the folks in ye olde #trilema utterly fail to comprehend, if quite intentionally so, but the result is the same : they collectively couldn’t market, brand, or sell their way out of a paper bag and childishly mock any attempts to improve on that score. Such is the bed they’ve made for themselves.' ( ht
asciilifeform: ( the ones here, moar like bee sting than anyffing )
BingoBoingo: Also one of their beaches is very rich in jellyfish
BingoBoingo: population is ~30,000 most of the year and 300,000 December through February
BingoBoingo: Year round just about everything there costs 50% more
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836377 << I have not yet experienced August through November, but I see no reason to rule out December through February. That was best weather.
mircea_popescu: nice going on digging up the busybox header, huh.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: briefly thought about doing something about it... but then, i think i'd rather just wait for PeterL to move or w/e.
mircea_popescu: of course, i can't load blogspot "blogs" now that http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/#selection-287.67-291.1
mod6: thanks for the 0.00000002
mod6: ok, will do. if i even do, they're probably from projects that are not TMSR~ anyway. so who cares.
mod6: Ah, alright. Just thought I'd bring it up as most "CHANGELOG"s that you see out there grow upwards.
mircea_popescu: ie, the way >> adds.
mod6: After looking at PeterL's blogpost, was curious if there had been any consideration into if a manifest file should grow up or down (i.e. newest change first, or newest change last in the file). This is purely a cosmetic thing, I suppose it would be up to the author too. Probably why trinque didn't touch on this in the post either http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836364 << i'm not even sure by now. honestly i don't seem to ever want to use it, myself, but i also see no problem in it per se. ratings are personal after all, and not all persons of the republic are necessarily just as public.
mircea_popescu: we've just been supplying the string because tradition, or dunno. i suppose much like venetian merchants dressed the house pets. dun mean naked woman about the house is a bug (even though the 80s retard, before i/we came about and fucked their "trtaditions" right in the ass, would have suspected such_
asciilifeform: i have no position on this in either direction. q was re 'bug or not' strictly.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836361 << i dunno that a comment's that important. basically it's the "string for allcomers" portion of wot mechanics.
mircea_popescu: some people are very much into the 16yos they tow about ; but in general speaking fuckers should just be shot.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 15:16 PeterL: hi, I was just trying to build the vtools, and I ran into this problem: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AuLgQ/?raw=true
PeterL: while I have the mic: I did end up fixing the problem http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830121 , see http://petermlambert.blogspot.com/2018/07/vdiffshadefineswapvpatch.html
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 14:59 PeterL: ^ about WOT display: it wouldn't be a bug if shinohai went through and re-rated everybody in his wot with no comment, look at the time stamps
asciilifeform: it is already too late for 'everybody can rebuild from logs', naturally. but if this had been the design, could answer 'does have bug or not' mechanically.
PeterL: but you are right, if ratings were required to be in chan then anybody could rebuild the deedbot WoT from the channel logs. or at least have the verifications in chan.
PeterL: on that page Trinque has a rating with no comment, so clearly it is acceptable to leave the comment out
asciilifeform: PeterL: if he actually issued the uncommented ratings , then psychiatric q for shinohai . if not -- bugological q for trinque . is all i got.
PeterL: could be something related to "-2 lobbes 2018-06-01 01:06:43 old woman. See also: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Alobbes+rot+in+heathendom" ?
PeterL: ^ about WOT display: it wouldn't be a bug if shinohai went through and re-rated everybody in his wot with no comment, look at the time stamps
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
Mocky: phf, good info, thanks. looks like cheapest flight in august is bouncing around $1250 to $1350, haven't seen the $1150 sighting again. If I push it out past labor day looks like $950
phf: new york flights are the baseline to go by, they tend to be the cheapest, and have direct flights by foreign airlines to places i usually go to, so for example istanbul is $1,2k right now, drops to $900 in august, in early september it's the regular price of $700 or so
BingoBoingo: Mocky: I am in Pocitos near the datacenter.
asciilifeform: then nfi. plane ticket is one of those things that steadily climbs in cost as the printing press churns.
asciilifeform: admittedly the <1900 gets 'cattle car class'.
asciilifeform: ( and asciilifeform's only complaint was the plane that stood on runway for 20 extra minutes because some orc derp couldn't fit his ~box of cakes~ into overhead bin )
mircea_popescu: possibly they're running an "oh, vacation" scam ?
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Just avoid the American Airlines flight direct from Miami, its frequently delayed or cancelled
mircea_popescu: kinda how i fly. used to have old world all mapped out, "and here';s the schnitzel place we stop for in frankfurt, and here's the,..."
Mocky: man, these flights are a hoot. looks like getting below $1900 requires 2 to 3 long layovers. cheapest one i see $1153 9 hours in JFK, 16hrs Bogota
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform went into several pharmacies in BingoBoingostan, saw ~100% herbal/snakeoil crapolas. possibly they keep the real pharma behind counter. << They carry real stuff, but you have to ask. Barrier is "know the name of what you want"
asciilifeform: ( naturally the leather eventually gives , and frags go in the shooter's face. but until then , you get a coupla shots, can be enuff )
asciilifeform: i saw in museum an example, old iron pipe rightly wrapped in leather.
mircea_popescu: what they charge is what genuine article costs.
asciilifeform: periodically, uppity folx who need to bake something that shoots, in a hurry (e.g. filipino rebels ) rediscover the korean trick.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1836280 << the reason, btw, is that us "peanut" butter is ~90% margerine.
mircea_popescu: problem with wood is that it's too friable. they basically made metal from parts.
asciilifeform: ( was not in reality wholly of leather, but wood reinforced with same )
asciilifeform: funnily enuff i associate korea with art of medieval gunnery -- motherland of the infamous 'leather cannon', as deadly to artillerist as to enemy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik korea if ever existed as nation, it was in 1300s. (today there's the usg colony and the open air injun reservation)
Mocky: i left and never went back. i should have know by how nice the place was. too nice.
Mocky: last year doc referred me to specialist for one specific issue. specialist ordered 2 dozen labs, bone density scan, ultrasound, said come back in 2 weeks. came back, said looks all good but want another test. went to lab, blood draw chick whips out 7 vials for blood collection. I said, let me see what labs were ordered, was 4 dozen more!
mircea_popescu: i just bought 1% topical novocaine for the asking.
asciilifeform went into several pharmacies in BingoBoingostan, saw ~100% herbal/snakeoil crapolas. possibly they keep the real pharma behind counter.
mircea_popescu: kinda why we advise the zeks to fucking leave.
Mocky: BingoBoingo, what are pharmacies like there, do you know? like mexico: basically walk in and ask for what you need, or more sticklers for note from doc?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-07-18 19:48 asciilifeform: lobbes, shinohai : it seems unfortunate that text forum does not give equivalent of the duel . the ancients invented dueling precisely for your case, you're ideal candidates.
asciilifeform pictures BingoBoingo eating dulce de leche in the style asciilifeform's father ate it in su army -- puncture with bayonet and drink, drink, in 'trumpeter's pose' , all 500g at a time
BingoBoingo: Half a kilo of dulce de leche, the good stuff runs less than 3 USD for a half kilo
BingoBoingo: Carrasco International Airport is also far less fucked up than the options in Buenos Aires
BingoBoingo: Plenty of Venezolanas working on getting their professional licenses here trained in the intense soviet tradition
BingoBoingo: The way it works here is three tiers: public (free and shitty), Mutualistas (Pick one of several good options for low waits, runs 4300 pesos a month), Private (reimplementation of US tardation)
BingoBoingo: Tres Cruces is a fun place to go to chat cute girls but... it the only barrio with traffic issues, far from the water, and the place I most frequently run into dyed hair activist sorts (the national bus terminal seems to be irresistable bait for the fifth column)
BingoBoingo: There's still expat focused material tryping to pump up property prices in La Blanqueda, Malvin Norte and other shitholes that are an unpleasant walk from the water.
BingoBoingo: Prado's cool but far from everything, otherwise to get low pichi (bum) density the area from Parque Rodo and playa Ramirez all the way through Carrasco (maybe skip Malvin) is a good place to start.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: https://www.mercadolibre.com.uy/inmuebles/ is where you start. If you are looking to buy, start discussions at half their ask...
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> BingoBoingo, I've just read through your real estate posts, what was your best source of info re: rentals, was it agencies? << The best big picture survey is on "Mercado Libre" From there you ask and poke
asciilifeform: give my regards to the hermit crabs.
asciilifeform: no different from 'what does it mean to work on lathe' . if aluminum -- means one thing, if machining pyrophorics (e.g. plutonium) -- very other.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: conceivably not all works call for the ffa degree of fascism, where asciilifeform insists on being able to say exactly how many bytes are required after a O(1) look at the inputs, and to say exactly in what order they will be accessed etc
mircea_popescu: diana_coman neither of those are it, i guess ima embark on a re-read expedition, it's discussed somewhere 2015ish pretty sure
mircea_popescu: but i suspect it's in the vein of "a lot of the utility of sledgehammer comes from there being all these abandoned warehouses to loot" "well... how about you organised things better, then no sledgehammers"
mircea_popescu: in fact, a lot of the utility of pipe (and with it, a lot of the utility of unix altogether) comes from it being, fundamentally, a loosely specified scripting lang.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it';s a recurring problem though, recall the "url length hacks" endemic throughout web age ?
mircea_popescu: i suspect a (large) part of the problem is the temptation to stuff ad-hoc scripting langs in the cmd line ;