ben_vulpes: no hang on, no. btc is the only cash.
mod6: For my notes, could we say, in general, that to get to this month-end cash asset number, you take the BTC amount on-hand + USD value in BTC + UYU value in BTC?
mod6: (im adding that in, because even though it was paid on 8/3 it belongs in the July statement - as you have also listed it in the BTC Incoming/Outgoing table.
mod6: im using your UYU value actually. (i'm only pointing out the differences, not using them in the calcs)
mod6: ben_vulpes: gotcha. any idea what number you used? This should go into my notes so I know to record the UYU/USD exchange rate at the time of the setting of the monthly price point.
ben_vulpes: check to see if it's the difference between our btc values of uyu
ben_vulpes: mod6: the UYU book value will indeed fluctuate based on what number you use for the usd/uyu exchange rate
mod6: Here's what I come up with on my own, would be the Sum of the BTC on hand (in mod6's deebot account, minus the 0.08479669 that was in there previously to pizarro's BTC deposit), plus the BTC book value of the USD, and the BTC book value of the UYU:
mod6: Ok, first question on this part is how we got to the 7/31/2018 (end of july) cash amount of: 6.48908190
mod6: Ok we're not getting the same sum of the tangible book values, did I add something in that I wasn't supposed to?
mod6: Ok moving on to the Pizarro Assets table
mod6: This make sense for book value after prorated depreciation (fist number). Second number is the prorated depreciation.
mod6: My only other question on the Tangibles table is that UY3 was not depreciated, even though it was in service for 19 days. Should there be some sort of prorated depreciation on this?
mircea_popescu is off to the beach, ttys!
mod6: ben_vulpes: qq on the UYU book value -- you listed 0.21648971 , but I get the above ^ am I doing that correctly? Or am I using a bad UYU/USD number?
mod6: Yikes, here we go through the tangibles table. :D
mod6: The Fiat Liabilities table looks right -- My understanding here is that we have a $2500 entry here for the wildcat bonus because we initially allocated the wildcat bonus for $7500, paid out $5000, and are carrying the libility forward until it's paid September 1st. Correct ben_vulpes ?
mod6: The Fiat Assets table looks correct to me from following the steps, and when including the outgoing $186 adjustment value in the USD Incoming/Outgoing table.
mod6: Further more, he seems to like it as a good place to receive items. So maybe just strike the part that says "no further need for coworking desk" and edit to something like "expected reduction in cost for cowork desk" or something thereabouts.
mod6: uce the cost.
mod6: So the USD Incoming/Outgoing table in the July provisional pizarro statement looks correct to me. The only thing I would adjust is the statement about Fiat expenses. Whereas, I agree that all the work could be done from the apartment and we no longer need the co-work space. I'm inclined to let BingoBoingo make the decision there, and it sounds like he wants to take it down to "part-time", which should red
mircea_popescu: poor mod6 btw. he sounds like he's got himself well up to the ears.
mircea_popescu: can't even keep all the nobusi straight anymoar.
asciilifeform: in other noose, buffer overflow found in... zcat.
asciilifeform: the cocksucker is hungry for specifically obummer's cockjuice, nothing else will satisfy.
mircea_popescu: hence the link.
mircea_popescu: which is precisely the problem, because "they want miami." is just a polite way of saying "however many bn cuntsquirts walk about, there's never bneen more than a million or two souls, and these schmucks don't got one."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect they dun want and can't use money for anyffing. they want miami.
mircea_popescu is particularly unimpressed by the sort of fucktard who goes all http://trilema.com/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker & http://trilema.com/2014/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck/ on me when i come offering ~a little~ actual money ; and then rolls over for usg's own "offers" of EXACTLY ZERO.
asciilifeform: the 'dun fall for fleanode, switch to OUR nsa honeypot instead' spamola is lulzy.
asciilifeform never was able to fathom what 'vpn' subscribers have in their crankcases instead of brains, to fall for such a thing
mircea_popescu: i'm not fucking impressed ; what the fuck, is it http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/#footnote_3_72501 hour now ?!
mircea_popescu: <milky25> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
mircea_popescu: <milky25> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
mircea_popescu: <milky25> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
mircea_popescu: <milky25> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
mircea_popescu: <milky25> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
mircea_popescu: <milky25> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
mircea_popescu: in other items that probably actually belong here,
a111: Logged on 2018-08-05 05:13 lobbes: Bah, it took me way too long to figure that out. Anyways, thanks to all who helped me troubleshoot (phf, ty for pointing me to the hyperspec; I found that documentation to be especially useful on educating myself on the kidergarten-level things)
diana_coman: ah, ah, so at least there are jewels of bloopers
diana_coman: asciilifeform, freed and answered; one of those days I will get around to relocating the blog too and restore its sanity re comments
phf: lobbes: hyperspec is first and last documentation you'll need for common lisp. it's generally a good idea to get a feel of what's where in it. it's the only authority on the expected behavior of your code.
lobbes: I'll be sure to include this tip in the eventual guide hinted at in >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected-on-gentoo-tips-n-tricks-for-the-uninitiated/#selection-551.26-551.132
lobbes: Bah, it took me way too long to figure that out. Anyways, thanks to all who helped me troubleshoot (phf, ty for pointing me to the hyperspec; I found that documentation to be especially useful on educating myself on the kidergarten-level things)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 18:27 ben_vulpes: lobbes: that the outbox table has entries in it suggests that logbot-start-pg-thread was never called
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837189 << in other news, I finally figured out my issue. I failed to notice a very crucial piece of the 'logbot-check-mode' method (http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis#selection-1265.19-1265.63). i.e. the bot's nick has to have irc mode set to +o or +v or else 'logbot-start-pg-thread' and 'logbot-send-outbox' will not be invoked.
mod6: will finish up the rest tomorrow (hopefully).
mod6: ben_vulpes: ok only had time today to start on reviewing the provisional july pizarro statement - going through your steps at the same time. so far, I can confirm the BTC incoming/outgoing is accurate.
mircea_popescu: provided, of course, the whole show's not run off a script the kiddies bought from some dood in russia.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i expect the spammer folx will register their bots in short order. it takes ~0 work.
BingoBoingo: mod6: They are still waiting to get cleared
mod6: BingoBoingo: any news on the drive shipment?
mircea_popescu: but i want to fully realise the republican advantage over the pantsuit morons. this situation where #trilema is safe "and so are their chans" is overt socialism redistributing goods from us to the moronherd.
mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh i'm mostly encouraging the utter collapse of freenode's "security" model. it should be obvious that lode/ae dorks could just as well REGISTER the spambots. it's a fully automated process, what's the problem, emails ? gimme a break.
mircea_popescu: in any case, gotta let things like fiction characters play out their own life story.
mircea_popescu: as unlikely as it seems ; and it does seem. waves are the result of earth's existence, and the only way to conquer resistance of the medium is to make it work for you.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd.
mircea_popescu: and while at it, the essential part of "#b-a => #trilema transition happened" isn't even so much the (very extremely never-seen-before) narrow time wondows ; but the fact that ~it very much was~ on own fucking schedule. i don't recall having to hassle anyone about anything. it was a coupla days cuz it took me a coupla days, and it was a week because it took trinque, phf & gang a week.
mircea_popescu: moreover phf deeply has it ; the extant mp-wp infrastructure is wartime sufficient anyways,
asciilifeform: rather than to end up ersatzing into it from 'we now have a week to move'.
phf: well, right, but either or. no need to erect a leprotoilet right now if at all avoidable in the future.
asciilifeform: phf: last thing i want on my boxes, tho, is yet another 1MB ball of c opensores publicly-tcpable liquishit.
phf: asciilifeform: presumably it is still a question of strategic superiority. there's no point on wasting resources on things of little consequence. #b-a => #trilema transition happened in a couple of days, with most original infra available within a week. nothing will prevent same when fleanode is defunct, meanwhile no reason to waste any cycles on it. also act from cause
asciilifeform: this being said, i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule, rather than in the wake of a catastrophic drop of it into complete unusability.
asciilifeform: ( recall, this was the orig thrust behind constant-time rsa )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd.
lobbes: The faint whisper of 'gossipd' can be heard reverberating off the halls of the forum. You are hungry. Exits: [North] [Down]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'make own fleanode' ( out of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-21#1837110 ) isn't much of a pill, the 'allcomers problem' doesn't go away merely from standing up a coupla ircd boxen
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to where would you rather ?
mircea_popescu: anyway ; none of this is intended to discourage anyone from inviting people over. but exactly as detailed in ye things have changed article, the "general population" of herbivores has lost the franchise of coming here of own power. it'll be invite only.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated cnomad 1 at 2018/06/12 21:46:46 << dood either ran off with my boards or else produced an image of some sort ; we don't know the future yet
mircea_popescu: and for good reason, if one's to weigh the input of rando noobies for the past whatever arbitrary interval, weeks, months, whatever patience may endure, he'll find OODLETONS of self-important douchebaggery, perhaps most eminently exemplified by the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824361 scammer ; and ~zilch actual contributing to go with it.
asciilifeform goes back to macheteing away the fucking green hell that's engulfed his hovel
mircea_popescu stresses in any case that while precipitated by events, it's nevertheless where this was headed anyway.
mircea_popescu: there's also #eulora an' #pizarro and iirc mod6 had one and a whole bunch. time to put them to work
asciilifeform: errybody else who has similar derp gateway ( ...qntra ? ) oughta do the same.
mircea_popescu: alrighty then
asciilifeform: i'ma fix the links shortly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fromphuctors can go to what do you call yours, #loperos ?
mircea_popescu: subhumans have no business here ; let them go to whatever castles the respective lords feel like making the allowance.
mircea_popescu: ok so i've set r mode ; which means only registered users can join. this will directly resolve the join/part spamolade ; but in general it's quite in line with the narrowing of tolerance for self-important douchebaggery, precisely in the vein of http://trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/#selection-175.0-179.0 ; http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/ etcetera.
mircea_popescu: "the man who marries a horse is an excentric man, not a man with a remarkable wife"
mircea_popescu: the pretense that they're people will have to be abandoned sooner or later. like all idle pretense, it is unsustainable on the long term.
asciilifeform: pretty surreal experience. picture if you sat down to write a piece on tanks, and decided to start with discussion of chariots, and then saw that somehow chariot is mentioned nowhere, and the very word -- forgotten
mircea_popescu: THAT is the fucking problem, in quite those terms. that i somehow care about the morons. cuz i must, cuz i'm their mother or some dumb shit. but aaanyways.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
asciilifeform: not the ancient clay, not the sawed-apart rifle shells from ww2, none of'em. somehow -- evaporated.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, asciilifeform recently set out to write an article, and went to look for the clay shards crypto item , and found nuffin but... our l0gz
mircea_popescu: this being the essence of provincialism, though, "have you heard about that guy ?" "oh, yeah, he's my wife's cousin"
a111: Logged on 2018-03-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: "Like a bad ass she is, she proved to be wise beyond her years by standing head and shoulders (Or is it ass-tall) with the boys." doesn't even INTEND irony, you realise.
asciilifeform recalls ancient lulz, the 'hipcrime' spammer, who ended up becoming one of the last nails in the usenet coffin
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:18 phf: "The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide."
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-04.log.html#t16:18:15 << check it out, the smartasses are actually those http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752954 wanna-bes.
asciilifeform: hey they recently even 'made' harry houdini into jew
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avram_Steuerman-Rodion << even better example, "Steuerman himself is often described as an obscure contributor to Romanian literature, but survives in cultural memory for having given a poetic voice to the ideals of Jewish integration. "
asciilifeform: ( this item forgotten in en world, but lives on in ru , in the form of marshak's 'Три мудреца в одном тазу Пустились по морю в грозу. Будь попрочнее Старый таз, Длиннее Был бы мой рассказ.' )
asciilifeform: '...and if the tub had been stronger, my tale would have been longer'
mircea_popescu: they even have submarines!
asciilifeform: somehow he harnessed the monkeys and built two whole jets. which then used in overthrow of peron, then rusted into dust.
asciilifeform: kurt tank tore out his hair, iirc 'they don't even know how to make machine screws'
mircea_popescu: like one of those mcguyverists that's actually more committed to the duct taping process than to the end product.\
asciilifeform: didn't, naturally, work ( recall the story of kurt tank )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the .ar/.uy folk thought they could jury-rig a sort of 'alt-europe'.
asciilifeform saw the nonagenarian italian zombies, still walking the streets of BingoBoingostan, with own eyes
mircea_popescu: as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-121.0-121.824
mircea_popescu: in case you're wondering how the argentina-uruguay-etc ended up the shitholes that they are, that's exactly it : gave their money away to anarcho-humanitary-pacifisto-veganist & feminists, because "sons of europe".
asciilifeform: 'Relgis lived the final decade of his life as a pensioner of the Uruguayan state—in 1985, a law raised his pensión graciable to 20,000 new pesos a month' << lol
mircea_popescu: (fellow also went to uruguay, is the tenuous point of apropos)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 18:05 mircea_popescu: aand in other items of entomological interest, the wikipedia take on politicized pseudo-literary criticism is something else. aphra behn is lionized, because they're ever-so-desperate to discover, invent or if need be entirely hallucinate "remarkable" cuntbearers of the shakespeare period that some random jailbird is A HEROINE OF FEMINISM!!!
mircea_popescu: (for comparison, eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Daicoviciu ; this is an actually important fellow, unlike random no-name http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810279 ; so it's quite clearly not the romanians being momentarily unlazy)
mircea_popescu: in other ~equivalent lulz, the jewish lobby has undergone some massive effort to publicize romanian-born early 20th century jewry, resulting in huge wikipediaballs such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Relgis
mircea_popescu: exactly the same substance as the "artwork" basis of http://maddox.xmission.com/irule_.html
mircea_popescu: my take is more in the vein of "visual thinkers attempting to rehash the 'hilary pedophilia scandal' for substance and of course plastering '-gate' and 'journalists' labels is how markov chains work".
asciilifeform: usg.red set'em up a 'pedo scandal'(tm) to remove politically unreliable (i've nfi , but presumably even in this set of fleas there is a set of more- and less- nsa-approved halves ) ; so fleanode.blue whine ( redditus bonsaikitten has no response mechanism aside from the whine )
asciilifeform: it's a prayer to the inca, wat. typical homo redditus fare.
asciilifeform: 'we have pheeelings! and will tell mother!'
mircea_popescu: harem girls have harem conversations IN THE FUCKING HAREM. ima talk to the master of the house, not to the chatterchorus.
mircea_popescu: kinda made the point to me, that probably we're the only ones to even notice ; the cattle live in their barn on their cattle diet, shit's unremarkable to them.
mircea_popescu: in which spirit, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pwpgR/?raw=true being the fecal consistency of #freenode the past half hour. >2k users, 0 useful product.
asciilifeform: via mircea_popescu's link >> https://freenode.net/news/freenode-live-keynotes << holy fuq, the barfology
mircea_popescu: "christel on 2018-07-27 Many of you will have noticed that over the last few days there has been an extensive spambot wave on freenode, and on other networks." after which one loses interest in reading further, seeing how only a moron would use that lede.
mircea_popescu: * Topic for #freenode is: We know about the spam. Please see https://freenode.net/news/spambot-attack for a detailed statement. | User mode +R blocks PMs from unregistered users. Activate it with: /mode <YourNick> +R | Welcome to #freenode |
mircea_popescu: in other lulz,
mod6: All: The price point for August is now set at $7454.54.
deedbot: Invoiced jurov 0.01900855 << August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
mod6: !!invoice jurov 0.01900855 August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
mod6: !!invoice jurov August 0.01900855 August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
mod6: shit, I didn't even need to cancel the one for S.MG.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 00:11 mod6: Attn Pizarro Customers: The auction was settled at $8200.00, and will be used as the price point for August invoices.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839230 << Sorry all, I screwed this up. Will cancel all invoices, and re-price & re-do. Anyone who paid, will be refunded the exact amount, and reinvoiced at the correct amount.
mircea_popescu: there you go, yeah.
mod6: i think there was a lot of mental gymnastics I had to do.
mircea_popescu pulls the actual data
mircea_popescu: if you buy 1.1 drinks for 9 dollars the drink rate is 9/1.1 not 9 yes ?
mod6: i will cancel the outstanding invoices, and send back trinque's money. and re-invoice everyone at the correct rate.
mod6: how do i figure out the rate?
mod6: was thinking i had to "buy 8200 fiats" for 1.1, and that was the rate.
mod6: Hey, nice ben_vulpes! Thanks for putting that together, I'll comb through it tomorrow and check numbers.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839243 << attempting one as we speak ( if no dice, will reflash the vacant rk with classical img )
mod6: Alright, last one that remains is BingoBoingo's should he decide to renew for a quarter. Of which, there is a price quote above.
deedbot: Invoiced jurov 0.01728048 << August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
trinque: cool deal, that's exactly what I wanted in the logs
mod6: The invoices that I just made cover the service through the month of August. Invoices received need to be paid by the last day of August.
ben_vulpes: billing as soon as the price signal is set avoids further waffling over spread between when price signal is set and when bills go out. necessarily entails a move to billing in advance.
ben_vulpes: mod6: note he did not say that he was pissed, quite the contrary.
mod6: clearly i'm not the man for this, just trying to keep things moving.
trinque: I've (more or less!) been paying at the end of the month for the prior month. I'm happy to begin paying for the month ahead, if y'all want that, but we oughta say what the policy is for the logs
mod6: So should I cancel those invoices or what is the plan here?
trinque isn't pissed, just asking the question, as I didn't see an announcement
ben_vulpes: mod6: no, what you have just done is bill for august service at the beginning of august.
mod6: ben_vulpes said at the end of last month that I should send the august ones as soon as I have the price point. which is also what I committed to doing when we had this last go-around a week ago.
mod6: !!invoice jurov 0.01728048 August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
mod6: BingoBoingo: if you want to renew your rockchip for 1 quarter, this will be the price ^
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll give some cafes a try, but a side effect of the Mate crack pipes is that there aren't many cafes, and... Looking for a combination cafe+package reception kinda reinvents the cowork thing again.
mod6: Attn Pizarro Customers: The auction was settled at $8200.00, and will be used as the price point for August invoices.
BingoBoingo: I'm working a lot in the flat, but I've been getting hit with the cabin fever pretty hard since leaving the hostel. I've been using the cowork desk to get my dose of social orcnoise.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: still no working desk in the flat ??
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: now that you have the buttbox do you plan to rent the cowork desk in perpetuity? << I plan to knock it down to a part time deal, but it is still the best place we have to recieve packages, and the cabin fever hit pretty hard last month.
mircea_popescu: there we go.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought he left the cowork thing ( what's the use of it, if there's an actual flat )
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: now that you have the buttbox do you plan to rent the cowork desk in perpetuity?
ben_vulpes: i miscalculated (under) the outgoing fiat total for pizarro last month by 186 USD; is the correct way to resolve that in this months statement to add an outgoing "adjustment" charge?
mircea_popescu: of course. and moreover, the girl you don't say hi to, the table you don't pay attention to, and every single last item in http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
asciilifeform: the 'i didn't opt' button aint connected to anything. just like the traffic light buttons in ameristan.
asciilifeform: i thought the fixation was opposite, 'can't do anyffing because notenuff privilege!' or the like
mircea_popescu: however in the redditard logic, only the one who ~~~specifically agreed~~~ to a bitcoin-for-pizza trade counts. the rest didn't specifically agree and so "it can't be held against them". this is a thing, in the bible, and in inept school systems, and therefore... IT MUST BE HONORED!!!
mircea_popescu: and not "for some reason" but specifically for the reason "it's not rape unless they specifically agree to it". yes everyone buying anything BUT bitcoin for $20 in 2010 WAS taking it, nice and knotty, up the tailpipe.
asciilifeform: !#s leather seats
asciilifeform: right, exactly the 'argument' i was thinking. by same argument 'why die at the front, stay home and wait to drink bavarian beer'
asciilifeform: likely, someone, somewhere, still imagines that 'btc will to the moon'(tm) without anybody actually ~doing anything~. but asciilifeform does not read reddit, so cannot say in detail re this pov.
asciilifeform: how did mircea_popescu put it in that old essay, 'some people think that if they buy a big enuff house, it will never need to be cleaned'
asciilifeform: they -- are somewhere else, 'sitting'.
asciilifeform: i suppose from ye olde reddit 'hodl' pov ('why do anyffin with coin but to sit on it!') s.nsa, and likewise s.mg, pizarro, etc would look fundamentally damaged . but these folx, i expect, aren't tuned in to begin with.
asciilifeform: ( at one point went through hanbot's posts and the contexts )
mircea_popescu: but if you're bored one day, read ye olde tardstalk "investors" threads from the days of yore, before reddit invaded and everyone makes "new coins". then compare with yours, and figure out how and wherefore teh delta lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, more's the point, did we spend anything else ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly oughta add the link to the 'little ripple' , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832885
mircea_popescu: i like the "but do not run it quite yet" byline
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: noticed this myself , still creaks under load periodically. i've a new ver of frontend with saner caching, in the conveyor.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837808 << i just discovered i never paid this by going through the ledger looking for it and not finding it o.O ; sorry folks, will fix now.
mod6: is there a new town?!?!
mod6: im in the town area
mod6: Yup, found it on the eulora wiki. Was easy to find, cheers!
mod6: ok cool. i don't even have the ecu yet, i've only got about 50mn in my account at this very moment, but I trust that someone will sell them to me in time.
mod6: np, i found that in the logs.
lobbes: (might be hard to see through the damn fleanode spam, of course :[ )
mod6: Err was "The server isn't available."
mod6: diana_coman: I tried to connect to eulora, but I suspect the problem is that I haven't tried to login since the new server moved to its new home at Pizarro.
mod6: Thanks guys, we can pick this back up in the morning. Have a good night. :]
mod6: Ok, I'll put in a bid tomorrow, I gotta buy some ecu with pizarro's funds (im nearly certain I don't have 1bn or even near that in my eulora acct), then put in the bid.
mircea_popescu: so there you go.\
BingoBoingo: mod6: They will take it.
mod6: BingoBoingo: That would be a nice way to go with the DC if they'll accept a payment bigger than the usual.
mircea_popescu: anyway, logically just tell the dc they're getting a large chunk payment towards your acct, and it takes care of however many months or w/e. i guess. dunno, your show.
mod6: BingoBoingo: are you in a position to be able to receive the $2050 or so per/month that you need for this from a bank wire?
mod6: if I wanted to bid on the wFF (wired filthy fiats), i might for instance take the current price, $7,333 USD/BTC price and then bid as such:
mod6: So let's talk through this a bit, I want to try to understand fully here, and perhaps others do as well...
mod6: asciilifeform: Ok, the Advertised Republican Node List has been updated with Zoolag's new IP.
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BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty, I'll head over there in a little bit
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, please plug back in the 2nd FG on smg test server; anytime in the next 10 hours is fine, I'll shutdown the machine now
asciilifeform: thing has all of the slots in use, even.
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's pov, 2007-9 was 'peak mobo'. e.g. the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 opteron, still in service, is circa '07 with '09 cpus
mircea_popescu: kinda what threw me, "wtf are you talking rare, these were so pestilentially common for a summer or two even i ended up with some".
asciilifeform now has the notion that he has a board exactly like mircea_popescu's at the bottom of some ancient crate...
mircea_popescu gotta remember he's well advised to not put his 20yo self unfiltered in the chan, lol.
asciilifeform: and iirc was also attempt to cure the plague of massively-heatsinked gpu monster popping out of the slot during transport
mircea_popescu: so the idea is, 2nd was only used for power or what am i missing ?
asciilifeform has dusty old geforce4 , with these
asciilifeform: iirc agp '8x' had the 2nd foot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the vidcard actually has two feet, in both mid slots.
asciilifeform: ( this was a kind of pestilence in early 2000s, there were 5-6 types of vendor-proprietary wtf-slots, afaik ~0 products sold for'em )
mircea_popescu: of course from looking at their actual specs, they list "- 1 x AGP8X/4X slot, 1.5V only - PCI Express x16 slot" rather than dual agp per se.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see 2 diff slots in there ( not counting pci )
asciilifeform: ( my one gripe re agp, and i suspect the reason why nobody afaik made e.g. disk controller for it , is that it had asymmetric bw -- substantially faster output than input ; thing was specifically sharpened for vga )
asciilifeform: all i've left re agp, is the bound paper standard (yes..) . and it indeed permitted 2 holes ! but i've not ever encountered a mb that had the 2nd one populated
mircea_popescu: but i do have 2-hole board right here, and the vga card to go with it.
asciilifeform: well extinct in the dec alpha sense. ( 0 made since, idk, '07 ? )
mircea_popescu: most of the vidcards are like are agp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was moar interesting than this, was a ~port~ rather than bus, dedicated thing
mircea_popescu: sure as fuck it isn't the level of mess of usb.
asciilifeform: and lol agp ( interesting q, did anybody ever make something other than a vga card for it ? or for that matter, a mb with >1 hole )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't capped, originally was 1:1 with cpu clock, then starting with 386 or so started being divide-by-4
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in resurrected vintage lulz : linus agreed ( https://archive.is/aFETR ) to merge the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1796987 shitshow into kernel .
asciilifeform: the added bonus would be that if run on a misconfigured system, it will do something moar informative than simply hang.
asciilifeform: ( theoretical lifetime of FG is anywhere from 30+ yrs , until electron migration nails the eeprom in the cpld , but nobody actually knows, tho fwiw this particular chip existed since 1997 iirc and no known failures , so lives at least this long )
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : i'd still recommend adding a timeout ( and log alarm if it ever actually times out ) to the FG reader in the s.mg routine -- it isn't physically impossible for the box to die