asciilifeform: hey i dun go to mecca either, given as not being in the umma. but 'nobody goes to mecca' is a stretch imho
mircea_popescu: and yes, i'd make the same exact argument if fellow "wrote book" which was then "new york times best seller list"
asciilifeform: ~30k lamers, with, what, $5k tickets, and the entire 'journalism' set then spends next month printing nuffin but summaries of the talks
mircea_popescu: i ended up on the main floor a total of maybe twice, but in general you just meet people privately ; and in this particular context the teenaged bimbos desperate to "get started" were in the vast majority too ugly to meet the bar (which, back then, still existed, nobody paid uglies to fuck)
mircea_popescu: i never went ; but based on my limited experience with the few cons i ever went to, years ago in a different life, literally nobody listens in.
mircea_popescu: mod6 in which vein, http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/ "would have been good if retard had a gf"
mod6: anyway, that stuff is stale now he has posted since I've now update the vtree. would have been good if he'd have only linked thebitcoin.foundation, instead of making heathen copies of his own. he even renamed the 'V' files.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 15:08 mod6: ok sooo he did get a trb built from the guide and get it running. not sure why he never stopped in here. and ya, looks like he just grabbed everything and mirrored it on his site.
mircea_popescu: language was hastily (and ineptly) codified late 19th century with union, then there were two major wars (and two minor ones romania was a major actor in) and then 50 years of stalinist freeze during which no serious scholarship was produced. and hence they're too stupid and too lazy to even make a proper dictionary. so actually, romanian grammar still awaits its hero.
mircea_popescu: in fact, it's not clear to me the verbal tensions of romanian were ~EVER~ ennumerated.
mircea_popescu: AS WELL AS a ~homonymous~ conjunctive pluperfect with conditional-optative role, "sa fi stiut de dimineata, mincam" ie had i known then, i would have.
mircea_popescu: to continue for no apparent reasons the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830805 discussion : romanian has a conjunctive pluperfect with role of imperative ("de dimineata ne-au dat omleta dar eu am citit ziarul si acum mi-e foame" "~sa fi mincat~ atunci." ie in the morning they put out omelette but i was reading the newspaper and now im hungry -- you should have eaten then
mod6: ok sooo he did get a trb built from the guide and get it running. not sure why he never stopped in here. and ya, looks like he just grabbed everything and mirrored it on his site.
asciilifeform: mod6: http://edgecase.net/articles/2017-11-25_edgecase_datafeed_article_21_2017-11-25_stjohn_piano_compiling_bitcoind_trb_054_on_debian_711/rotor.tar.gz.asc , http://edgecase.net/articles/2017-11-25_edgecase_datafeed_article_21_2017-11-25_stjohn_piano_compiling_bitcoind_trb_054_on_debian_711/programmable-versionstring.vpatch , buncha others
mod6: warez the mirror at? agree, didn't see the links to it in articles. bunch of MP & trilema quotes tho.
asciilifeform: dredged up d00d via script that digs for refs to trb in heathendom. turns out, he hosts mirror of trb patches ( they dun seem to be discussed in articles tho, near as i can see )
asciilifeform: curious whether anybody knows him. or is 'wolf man'.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other shoelace-and-gum copies of tmsr artifacts, http://edgecase.net/pages/how_to_buy_edgecase_credits << d00d with a kinda blog, tried to copy mircea_popescu's old paid-articles scheme (spoiler : dunwork) -- ( http://edgecase.net has coupla possibly-interesting items, compiler-wranglings, translations of old lit, btc tx likbez of sorts, etc )
mircea_popescu: anyway, this whole "from the perspective of moronworld" discussion is such nonsense. who the fuck ever cared, seriously now.
asciilifeform: i dun disagree with mircea_popescu re subj ( with the perhaps obv diff that i dun have, outside of tmsr, cocaineyacht to retreat into, only the proverbial bottle )
mircea_popescu: in which spirit, the teflon-coatable noobs absolutely should be coated. fucking dipped in bronze, why not.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the world's salvation is work for the world's own hands. i feel no obligation towards it ; i feel an obligation towards my having a good time and that's all. if the world's ready to work i'll show it how and if it's not ready to work i'll just talk to my girls. the only thing with something to lose in the republic-world binome is the world.
mircea_popescu: depends altogether what you're doing.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.'
mircea_popescu: the chores we have are ~beneficial~ for the noob. HE gains by them. they're chores in the sense http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-16#509012 "eating is chore"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, what you call "chore" is mislabeled. my whips spend most of the day hanging. when they do work, the work they do, named "pain", is properly speaking education.
mircea_popescu: if you add the SAME quality elements, you actually end up at a size past which the cost of addition exceeds the value of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not even sure i prefer 24 partizans to 12. the costs mount exponentially with size.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 01:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842311 << it's not easy to maintain phase in the absolute ; but it's radio, with error correction you can get out of the jam
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842399 << thread was re ordinary analogue voice radio, such that can be heard on konsoomer set. but even there, solvable, if nobody answers the riddle, i'll eventually say how
asciilifeform: aint much , but still a chore that there were no free hands to do until recently ( thx mats! for doing it )
asciilifeform: i can see mircea_popescu pov, and cannot actually find with waht to disagree, luzlily came not long ago from ww2 thread in ru planet where 'the surrenderees are in fact biologically defective' and also dun disagree there either
mircea_popescu: there's great value in getting rid of code. greater than in "acquiring" code. same is true of people. getting rid is a great boon.
mircea_popescu: in short, "teflon-coatable" noobs ~should~ be teflon coated. god knows i do everything i can to help the coating.
mircea_popescu: but the nonmarginal doesn't have the problem here discussed, as part of the definition of nonmarginal.
asciilifeform: the value of nonmarginal is >0 tho
mircea_popescu: the republic loses nothing / gains nothing whether adlai/framedragger/whatever is in or out.
asciilifeform: possibly mircea_popescu already succeeded, cuz i wasn't aware there was a field..
mircea_popescu: but the notion that anyone ever wanted a male is the most ridiculous nonsense ever. other than for steaks, xy has no use.
mircea_popescu: i don't hold it against the males that manage to make it
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:56 asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842367 << seriously, this is a major help. i really really REALLY don't want a buncha bois in here. i'd much prefer the field be mostly female, and mostly my slavegirls.
asciilifeform: ( and then ban orig from searchengines etc )
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:38 asciilifeform: next , naturally, will come the linkage from erry 'respectable' seekoority rag, then the 100mil google-microshit buyout, etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842349 <<< and the inexplicable "why is mp offering half a bitcent for the entire usg.tech directorate ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: we should never have permitted them online.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i pointed earlier, it aint the first rip, simply the most polished afaik to date
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy , d00d presented 'his' work at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840795 thing, and loox like even ripped our ui etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842317 << expect a lot of these. intellectual leadership essentially means, every hormonal teenager will tell the girls in his class, "oh, mp, we're opld friends"
mats: i thought the point is to make a mikrotik or huawei produce a broken key in its natural environment? to expand the db of factors?
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 23:03 jurov: asciilifeform: is it so easy to maintain the phase? i imagine that requires nanosecond precision clock or one central source with feed lines?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842311 << it's not easy to maintain phase in the absolute ; but it's radio, with error correction you can get out of the jam
a111: Logged on 2018-08-12 23:37 asciilifeform: the huawei crapola, for instance, i'm quite convinced at this point would be 100% breakable if anybody got hold of a unit and forced it to generate keys 24/7 for a coupla months
mats: asciilifeform: i think i found the crocs set in a google drive folder
asciilifeform: but not erry -- can (+ will) burn the originating usgola
asciilifeform: mats: not to mention, the orthogonal puzzler re mikrotik etc
mircea_popescu: a public service altogether.
asciilifeform: then realtime scans, etc
asciilifeform: then sks replay
asciilifeform: lobbes: near as i can tell, their angle of attack is a) make sure intelligent n00bz dun run the risk of finding way into tmsr b) in the slim chance they find, make sure they're adequately teflon-coated, and dun risk sticking
asciilifeform: unless i misparsed the sentence
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this one seems to be of the explicit, fwiw, kind
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:26 mircea_popescu: this chaining of knowledge, for your info, is the CORE of academia.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-17 00:56 asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842367<< that was a good reread, ty. I never thought of the 'unglue nascent Framedraggers' angle but that does seem to be worst effect of the disregarding of the knowledge-chain (http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637752)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course. most of the apparently functional parts of the empire are simply republican-tech-with-serials-filed-off, in this case "implicit" rather than explicit.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the interesting bit is that the enemy applies mircea_popescu's 'outsiders may NOT have ideas' thing quite well. 'oh, those terrorists made sonething? hiw cute. we'll take it and get $100 mil in grantola.'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:07 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: what original thing did they take from phuctor, may i ask?
asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr
asciilifeform: lobbes: it doesn't particularly need to 'do', it is part of the maintenance work for the parallel universe they (+ the herd of 'just wanters' , naturally )live in
lobbes: I mean, they can ersatz all day. It'll do ~0 from a human perspective
asciilifeform: i dun expect a usg.pseudo-v, item is prolly intrinsically incomprehensible to the subhuman-idcardcarriers . but whoknows.
asciilifeform: i was about to add 'next will be usg.clone pseudo-FUCKGOATS' but remembered , they already released several , all of course with whitening and voltage booster pissing oscillation into power rail , and afaik all 2 (3? 4?) of'em even less popular than FG ( because why to buy whitened turdrng, intel ships for free on-die )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
asciilifeform: next , naturally, will come the linkage from erry 'respectable' seekoority rag, then the 100mil google-microshit buyout, etc
mod6: these orcs straight up ripped off s.nsa
lobbes: I love how their 'demo' slide is blank.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta hilarious, imho, took usg 5 whole yrs to finally implement bernstein ( supposing thing even worx, i haven't found the giving shit to actually try it )
asciilifeform: shinohai: funny how they never bother to straight up and lift the popped mods from phuctor
asciilifeform: 'As part of the Kudelski Group, Kudelski Security embodies the same innovative spirit that has inspired the company since its creation in 1951' << didjaknow
a111: Logged on 2018-08-10 13:11 asciilifeform: ould be prosecuted if he stepped foot in the hotel again... "Sir, your speech has consequences so you better think about that in the future before you threaten," was another comment from the security team.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy , d00d presented 'his' work at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840795 thing, and loox like even ripped our ui etc
asciilifeform: jurov: nope, simply needs the nodes to pick up ~each other~. sorta 'firing squad problem', i will leave it as exercise
mod6: trinque: updated the Advertised Republican Node list with 161.0.121.250 - Cheers!
BingoBoingo: Precision clocks aren't too expensive if you aren't trying to fly them, but it's yet another thing to power
jurov: asciilifeform: is it so easy to maintain the phase? i imagine that requires nanosecond precision clock or one central source with feed lines?
asciilifeform: upstack, the thing i find extralulzy re the shortrange/fm 'pirates', is that for no apparent reason, they refuse to use the most obvious anti-df pill -- multiple geographically-dispersed antennae operating b/w pi and 2pi out of phase
asciilifeform: 'We expect that letters so addressed would more properly come from your company's International Bureau and then only after there's been some treaty of other discovered to which we are signators' << >> http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-163.0-163.589 ( & elsewhere lulz )
asciilifeform: '90.1 frequency in Austin' << yea definitely not the sw.
asciilifeform: ( it , funnily enuff, was the ~only thing that could be heard here ! )
asciilifeform: is the expected picture, yes
trinque: I switched to aggression midway, after waiting months, and from there took a few weeks
BingoBoingo: Well, that and the opportunity to run the printing press and spread bezzel to favored lizards bringing back a number of them along the way
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The fancy dope tends to cause less collateral damage when it works suddenly. When bottle takes suddenly usually a motor vehicle is involved
scriba: Logged on 2017-07-18: [05:45:01] <mircea_popescu> gotta cut the total male-years somehow, and chem cockcage prolly even cheaper than the steel item.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 13:28 asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170718/#143 << they're already 'eltsining' to death , with the good old bottle, no fancy dope needed necessarily
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/zOItL << openssh quasi-0day -- can enumerate machine users
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 00:18 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: recall the hypertrophies of 19th c railroad men. 'so, don't work on the railroad, then!' ( oblig http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1243116 )
ben_vulpes: the problem isn't your /posture/, kids, it's your /lifestyle/
ben_vulpes: haw someone just sent me an ad for a nylon "posture brace"; not that a brace is going to do anything for the lump of muscle developing at the base of millenial skulls from supporting their heads at a thirty-degree angle all day
BingoBoingo: Congrats trinque on what appears to be the sync of your Pizarro node
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform obtained and testing a LTC3108 , 'energy harvester', they've become cheapo
BingoBoingo: But you gotta sort em. Males are nothing but shells full of air for the noise making. Gotta eat the females
mircea_popescu: yes, this sort of thing happens, they have different periods so sometimes collide.
asciilifeform: i was here for the 17-yr collision of three species, was unspeakably loud, as in firing-range loud
trinque: sound like they oughta be able to eviscerate a man in swarm
mircea_popescu: but they totally are fucking alien.
trinque: I like the alien little buggers
trinque: we've got the cicadas up this way too, astonishingly loud
asciilifeform: they could even be synced to some migratory lifeform that hangs out where there ~are~ seasons
asciilifeform: i'd also look for the 'dying hdd bird'
mircea_popescu: gotta get it from the peasant guys rtho, supermarket fruit is ~ok.
diana_away: mircea_popescu: I guess I'll give it another try, I never liked papaya; I do like those tiny bananas
diana_away: although the diminutive toyota sort-of-cars are funy
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why stop there, i hear amoeba can live on <1cal/day
mircea_popescu: they'll be collected upon sometime after i fuck ivanka.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to get the fuck off usg's tax rolls, say
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, what;s the rush ?
asciilifeform: i was speaking of human timescales, rather than 'the king may die, the horse may die' ones
asciilifeform: iirc they also have variant where you sit in rented flat for 10y.
mircea_popescu: you register company, you have company receive some dough, which it can use however it pleases, such as buying you a dozen cars or a piece of real estate or w/e, then you use that for right of stay and eventually passport.
ben_vulpes: and while the uncleals are convinced it'll be highway maintenance that blows a crater in the usg budget, i have high hopes that the heavy metal poisoning from 'vape pen' use will eclipse it by a few orders of magnitude
asciilifeform: there's a reason, i guess, why eu passport is 800k.
asciilifeform: you'll find rusted tubs on the road that look like they belong in havana, owner changes hydraulic oil ~daily, but keeps the thing going , if he can't make rent he'll live in the tub, not having the tub is not option if you like eating
mircea_popescu: locals are lucky if they get 10-15k pa.
BingoBoingo: The problem with Mexico is the strong government that either might not like you or might decide to have fun with your holes
ben_vulpes: haven't even heard a peep about putting trans rights into the corporate handbook in at least three years!
ben_vulpes: less blue hair and fewer kilts as i move through the digestive tract
ben_vulpes: juarez is right there
mircea_popescu: i just hope the anus isn't mexico city
asciilifeform: aa the good sort of digested
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how come yer still in usa, anyway ? i thought you finally cut the tether a while back
mircea_popescu: possibry. they did not like anglos much.
mircea_popescu: iirc trilema even published some real estate paperwork from my stay there
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: just write that yer flying to get yer niece declitted, they'll wave you through..
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i mean the 'fly to terristostan, come home, get apprehended for aiding and abetting'
asciilifeform: ( iirc problem happens if you come out and then try back in )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that was always the case afaik.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pretty sure the brits do it too
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they'll have to shell out a mil or so for new passport, so what.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, lots of places have similar deals. The point is all those silicon valley pantsuits who thought they had an out. Waiting for their paper to carry them across the Pacific so they could retire to Pokemon Go and hobbit fucking in New Zealand, except... The window closed on them.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 15:15 asciilifeform: whole thing quite resembles the 'silver coin glued to the asphalt' everyone encounters in childhood
asciilifeform: hence the old thread where 'omfg , 20k usd for castle, why no one buys'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re qntra $item -- seems like they have similar laws in europistans, e.g. ro
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Imma prolly have to do that in light of the parallels to Brazillian history.
BingoBoingo: The whole crummel story is lulzy. Pan African runs over to Liberia in 1853 to raise a Christian Republic... Returns to the US in fear of the ascendant Liberian mulatto caste.
asciilifeform: as for uart, pretty sure that it's in the logs, posted a while back.
asciilifeform: ave1: if you're interested, i'll post the kernel loader at some pt, but you can easily write own, exercise.
asciilifeform: unfortunately yer still stuck with segments, there
asciilifeform: 'Note that even in REAL mode the 32bit registers are available.' << they are, with prefix opcode . i wrote various msdosisms that way.
BingoBoingo: Anything after that including Kim's husband has to fall into the general case
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's when Alexander Crummel died. Was a black nationalist who worked on making a black zion in Liberia, put skin into the game, mourned the results.
mircea_popescu: evidently made by the same people, too.
asciilifeform: i never wrote ave1-style article re subj, cuz depressingly loathesome crud, approx as interesting as ms winblowz api
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 16:38 mircea_popescu: the fact that anglotard english "does not have a cannonical body of works", the necessary result of "ameritards stole england's language but had no room in pocket for culture", resulted as it has in "no great american novel" makes it impossible for engl dept to see what classical lang dept did and do it one better.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842067 << But we do have cut offs for when the potential American canon ends. 1910 in the general case and 1898 in the African American case.
asciilifeform: well all it means is that the chip where i tested, does the out 0x64, ... from 1st shot
asciilifeform: ave1: re a20 'ret' -- pretty sure i nuked it when was cutting irrelevant cruft off the thing for orig publication
mircea_popescu: the fact that anglotard english "does not have a cannonical body of works", the necessary result of "ameritards stole england's language but had no room in pocket for culture", resulted as it has in "no great american novel" makes it impossible for engl dept to see what classical lang dept did and do it one better.
ben_vulpes: kids would rather sit around the table gabbling about whatever problems 0.00003% of the population have instead of sitting down and reading old shit about universals as what apply to 99.99% of the population
asciilifeform: 'not solved' is not quite it. sanding parquet is also 'solved problem' even with hands and sand paper. but i'd rather have electric cycler.
mircea_popescu: an' i betcha it's because they "don't feel" it "fair" to ~exclude~ anything. rendering any count impossible. which is very much the point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the probable "cause" for there not being sane dict for living langs, you realise, is that there IS such a thing as a cannonical body of greek, but "who is to say what anglovomit does not make the cut".
mircea_popescu: and the ada artifact.
mircea_popescu: the flagged whitaker's words.
mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as to say they set a standard.
mircea_popescu: (perseus incidentally makes the value of digital dict quite apparent ; they have linked word frequency counts, very good collations of multiple dict/thesauri etc)
ben_vulpes began the exercise as a form of entertainment during a road trip recently; "hey baby what do you think of this translation" "what does X mean in context of Y"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 15:56 mircea_popescu: italians naturally learn german, germans not so naturally. there's a fundamental problem with germanic languages ; and if one follows the tree, that problem is best realised in fino-ugric group.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841997 << the otherwise-invisible failure to implement anything even approaching intelligence augmentation (or even the statistical AI crap) is never so obvious as when translating works in other languages on the touchscreendevices: why does 'iBooks' waste all of this time animating between the french and english translations of the book i'm working on; how is there after
asciilifeform: i'ma guess it was re : inc dword [d_lba] , and it gets inc'd because it's the read position marker .
asciilifeform: the tricky part is not the baking of sane arch -- a latrine cleaner from calcutta could prolly come up with a better one than intel. the tricky bit is to avoid replay of the history.
mircea_popescu: tbh i don't think anyone at all familiar with the functioning of hardware init can propose the tradition is worth continuing with a straight face.
asciilifeform: 1 interesting detail is that you can get away with skipping certain parts of the incantation, on certain iron
ave1: I never looked into this in the 90s and now I have too learn
mircea_popescu: except i don't see the faulting code anymoar.
mircea_popescu: which i presume is WHY the gdr table is still 0 on 1st entry
mircea_popescu: aha. but i vaguely recall, from my days of doing this 2decades+ ago, that the way to put processor from real to protected mode or back was a triple fault
asciilifeform: ( it to this day is req'd , to turn on the 1MB addr line on pc ! because shitsandwich. )
a111: Logged on 2015-08-02 22:53 asciilifeform: for instance, the 'a20 gate' is almost certainly not actually implemented in your chipset
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is the whole talk-to-kbd the replacement triple-fault to switch modes or whart ?
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem with "happy" families is that they provide no intrinsic reason for offspring to "seek fortune" (as in the fairtyale trope).
Mocky: it did occur to me. went to the dominican republic some years ago for a summer, started learning spanish. but had no use for it back in the states
mircea_popescu: ~that~ would be the "lead poisoning" rather than some sort of mystical, unexaminable, forever-opressive miasma. it's just the simple thing, "hey, axototl, no tail ?" "yeah... no iodine where i live..."
mircea_popescu: tu quoque, have spent time and effort doing all sorts of things with your life, none of which are bad or wrong per se. yet it never occured to you "must learn language" in any effectual sense. this'd be a natural occurence though, wouldn't you say ? what disocurred it for you ? how come you went in all the rooms in the palace but one ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 14:55 mircea_popescu: there's this joke in romania that "if you hear a hungarian speaking foreing languages you're looking at a jew".
mircea_popescu: italians naturally learn german, germans not so naturally. there's a fundamental problem with germanic languages ; and if one follows the tree, that problem is best realised in fino-ugric group.
mircea_popescu: how do you explain most english speakers suffer from the turkish idiocy (or, manchuko idiocy, if you prefer), where they fail to learn other languages ?
Mocky: i can see that argument, but it completely sidesteps the "first language" claim
mircea_popescu: if you have $100, it's way better to buy two $40 pairs and a girl a drink than to blow the wad on a $100 pair of shoes.
mircea_popescu: but in general, you want multiple languages for the exact reason you want multiple women, or shoes. howsoever comfortable, howsoever good, useful, proper, right, you name it, if you always use the same pair of shoes they'll become unseemly.
Mocky: so then "first langauge" less an issue than "only language"? so multi fluency
mircea_popescu: contrary to what you might read into that, romanian also makes you fucking stupid. different kind, discussed at length on trilema though. divide & impera amirite, let the idiocy fight idiocy.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841925 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841926 aside from being unable to argue against (as *victim*), the observation seems to have limited usefulness: can't change someone's first language. you could stop speaking it and stop looking for signs of life among its speakers, but neither of you seem to be doing this!
mircea_popescu: "when you read a text and can distinguish the absurdities it contains from the actual sense, you may claim you have an anachronistic understanding of the matter ; but when you read the text and clearly see the ~necessity~ of the absurdities, their fundamentally-required-ness, and the circumstantialness of the sense, you may claim meaningful understanding of the item" as the witticism goes.
mircea_popescu: one of course has to even learn wtf alizarin is, in the process. but then again that is the entire method.
mircea_popescu: but to continue http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841967 : it's also a red thread particularly productive through the hermeneutic method. "why did the greeks care about the columns" type of inquiries work quite well, "why did someone like say heinrich caro dedicate a decade of his life to turkish red ?"
Mocky: sounds like a bill murrray, dan aykroyd "don't cross the streams" item
mircea_popescu: seemed lulzy at the time.
asciilifeform: oh hm the 'pirates' thing ?
mircea_popescu: it's very much a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712682 item ; in that it has organized a lot of the cognitive history of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries in technical fields.
mircea_popescu: if you teach your kid your second language the kid's gonna speak it with your accent, and if you teach them english they're gonna think english thoughts rather than "their" thoughts and so following.
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly clear, girly wasn't impaired, she just spoke what it happens to be she had heard. not of within, but of without, which is the point.
mircea_popescu: just about. anyway, i include the film in noob psychologists' training. which is how i reviewed recently.
asciilifeform: in 'vhs' anglostan there was proverb, 'lights are on but no one is home'
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER... none of them can remember his name. because, see, he can't have one, because, see, he fails most of the handshakes. but nobody notices, because... he speaks italian.
mircea_popescu: yet italian supports him mightily in his otherwise doomed quest to appear human to the other humans.
mircea_popescu: fellow in there ~seems~ to be functional human, but is throughout thorouigh nutcase. in this exact sense, "this cpu only has half the registers and can only nop ?!"
mircea_popescu: but it is notable because it includes, to my knowledge the best on film, model of the deffectively insane.
mircea_popescu: this is the case now, also. they however ~appear to~. you ever saw http://trilema.com/2017/il-merlo-maschio/ btw ?
mircea_popescu: hey. most of the "disputes" consist of ~same shit.
mircea_popescu: language isn't innate, but acquired, is the fundamental point really.
asciilifeform: this'd be, tho, if $chix spoke kr, and thereby 'thought like kr'
mircea_popescu: there.
asciilifeform: which theory
mircea_popescu: prior to this encounter only had theoretical model of such wonder via... what is it you call the theory ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, very amusing circumstance : ran into teen girly, daugther of korean mother, who only speaks english, but speaks it WITH ACCENT.
asciilifeform: i thought about giving the www ui a ru variant, but really even very basic 'year of eng in primary school' orc oughta be able to work it as-is
mircea_popescu: say the average page in english is obsolete in 6 days and in russian in 8 days ? well....
mircea_popescu: if you calculate the shelf life of pages by language space, as an average, you can actually meaningfully compare languages as cultural tools.
mircea_popescu is working on yet another fetlife lulzpiece.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathendom lint trap, https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=44356
mircea_popescu: mother is displeased with trinque 's comment.
trinque: the scandalize macroexpands to "tell mother", and if herr lizard admits to himself that it does nothing, suddenly he's standing all alone, very naked
trinque: the lizards don't have any other moves these days, than to "scandalize" and then pout impotently when it does nothing, or backfires
trinque: what of the desparate attempts to pin a "me too" to him?