mircea_popescu: "yes it's true telco gear is mostly openbsd box with nics glued on ; but it's also true that is mostly old ; replacing it, when it happens, is mostly with nobusisms baked by the chinese to order, and it's a tough racket."
asciilifeform: possible that my hands do not grow from correct place, or possible that if mircea_popescu had chinese gurl, she could steal the missing datashit..
asciilifeform: and recall, at one time asciilifeform burned 6mo+ to try and bring up realtek GB nic from 'raw iron', in the end did not even succeed in this
mircea_popescu: well yes, but the question before you is, "have i actually sat down, thought this through, and it dun work" or is it a case of "my first impulse was so and so and now i'm stuck with it like any 9 yo" ?
asciilifeform: usg.tor was precisely the 'faux-phuctor' they built to distract thinking folx from the very idea.
mircea_popescu: you know, the 2nd thing i know from watching you is that this conversation suddenly spinning in circles pretty well predicts you knew you were wrong re other call.
asciilifeform: even carrying in ordinary ip net, you gain the fact of '9000+' nodes that speak only to each other, and ddos of '9000' nodes, even if somehow all of'em were known to enemy, is impractical.
asciilifeform: i daren't to presume to know whether biznis-requisite, that's a 100% mircea_popescu-grade puzzler.
asciilifeform: the box that entirely displaces the traditional ip routing system, and instead worx on signed packets, at GB/s, ~can~ , i suspect, be made with off-the-shelf iron. but it is a different pill, i cannot argue that it directly replaces juniperism.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: arguably. at one time asic was too costly even for the telcos to deploy en masse, and it was possible to do without. sorta like in mining.
mircea_popescu: which is not coincidentally how everything works, bitcoin, the republic, the lordship, etcetera.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:29 asciilifeform: now what i ~have~ wanted to bake, for years nao, is a box with ~2~ jacks, that tests rsa sigs on specially-defined packets at line speed, and drops all the ones that dun pass. this is imho the Right Thing, for entirely curing the disease in question.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's research into finessing this problem, and 'yes bubble gum', so far reduces to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847428 hypothesis
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:36 mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuck you think juniper is ; but as a factual matter juniper is the result of exactly this conversation among dumber people ~15 years ago.
mircea_popescu: i suppose one possible conclusion would be that "yes, indeed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847453 ; but the time to do that was PRECISELY 15 years ago ; having smarter people doesn't compensate for being late, here as everywhere else".
asciilifeform: i dun disagree with mircea_popescu one bit, in re 'juniper/cisco Must Die'. but their death cannot be made from shoe string and bubble gum.
asciilifeform: rright, but in current (vs 20y ago) dc , they also incl. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847454 .
asciilifeform: if problem is defined in such a way that i can honestly say that i have from what to make it, and can be made to work to spec -- will make. otherwise not.
mircea_popescu: are you making the alt juniper or arent you ?
mircea_popescu: all these lofty considerations aside...
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 18:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we had any fab capacity to speak of, these'd be the priority items : 1) large homogeneous fpga 2) otp roms 3) 1+2
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:48 mircea_popescu: however, before you make dies you gotta know what you put in ; and i know of no other way to find out.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847498 << iirc i answered this in the past, but this thread makes it even moar obvious what the pill is : make a hypertrophied ice40 (i.e. homogeneous lattice of gates.) with these, can bake alt-juniper, alt-pc, crypto, pretty much anyffing you like.
asciilifeform: the miner asic derps, somehow pulled this off
asciilifeform: esp. if you're biznis genius and can talk'em into 'you get % of the winnings' in exch for discounts etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is almost certainly possible to razor a zero or even two, from the 'ratecard', if you can make friends in cn (or even tw, or kr)
mircea_popescu: however, before you make dies you gotta know what you put in ; and i know of no other way to find out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, part of the reason i've been working on getting some chinese ppls is that i entirely don';t believe single die fabbing is as expensive today as you think.
mircea_popescu: if it can process 100Gp/s rather than juniper's mahahahaybe 10Gp, nobody cares it eats a kw.
asciilifeform: well yes, i've wanted 1 for ages. but if you add up the cost of a dozen of these, you could instead get equiv fabbed into single die.
mircea_popescu: actually, i was thinking, the tiny ices you use could be an intermediate step -- think alf, instead of fabric-of-transistors, fabric-of-ice
mircea_popescu: that was the idea yes, acabinet.
asciilifeform: 1k of these will eat 5kWatt.
mircea_popescu: but you can have 1k of these lined up.
asciilifeform: the ice40 tops out at 250MHz (and drops rapidly when you fill it up, from switch fabric propagation delay)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entirely so, but these won't http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847426
asciilifeform: thing needs to eat packets, parse fields, sort'em into tables, parallelize lookups ( and below all of this, do such things as driving the sdram , the nic PHYs , shuttle data b/w processors )
mircea_popescu: if i've learned anything about you over the years is that you're absolutely never right as to what anything costs.
asciilifeform: not with the currently available means, no
mircea_popescu: we have TWO metallic squares ; and ours have holes in them!
asciilifeform: there are no asics in fg..
asciilifeform: like e.g. hewlett-packard, (the late) sun micro, most folx.
mircea_popescu: and no, they don't own a special-nic-foundry.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuck you think juniper is ; but as a factual matter juniper is the result of exactly this conversation among dumber people ~15 years ago.
asciilifeform: cuz konsoomer off-the-shelf ic dun do it.
asciilifeform: i must repeat, that i'd be lying if i claimed that i knew how to build a box that throws packets at even 1/5th the rate of the cheapest juniper, out of off-the-shelf components.
asciilifeform: i admit i dun grasp, why, having already fronted 500k to usg.juniper, they would entertain a 'try my homemade router plz'
mircea_popescu: dude. you don't have the box.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's do a 0cost experiment, why dontcha float the idea to the dc people, see reaction.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what means 'test' here ? they'll put customer traffic through it instead of juniper ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, BingoBoingo you ARE making cozy with dc tech people rite ? taking them out to smoke & crimping them to pot or w/e it is they do socially there ?
mircea_popescu: so, you're paying good money to have BingoBoingo on the ground there ; what "on the ground means" is that he can go to dc and say "hey guise, will you test this box we make ? no charge". IF they agree, and IF you have made the tmsruniper, and IF indeed they come out of it thinking they're better off with that, THEN you can sell it for credit, and not need to do more wires. yes ?
asciilifeform: the 'allow allcomers but magically filter badness' juniper thing, imho is dead end.
asciilifeform: now what i ~have~ wanted to bake, for years nao, is a box with ~2~ jacks, that tests rsa sigs on specially-defined packets at line speed, and drops all the ones that dun pass. this is imho the Right Thing, for entirely curing the disease in question.
diana_coman: from a tech point of view the trouble with "better by delta" is that you are then stuck dealing with the remaining shit anyway; but sometimes it's still the way to go
mircea_popescu: more's like "cant steal ~half the gold from this bank until someone comes with a credible plan to also steal the bricks from the walls"
asciilifeform: trinque: am i thick, and mircea_popescu right ? how do i bake a 'sucks less than juniper' while being stuck with off-the-shelf nic ic ?
trinque: "can't steal and sell sov tanks because to hell with the communists" to my ears
asciilifeform: ( at least in the recent ones )
mircea_popescu: trinque can you believe these people ?!
mircea_popescu: better in that also. better in the sense that it'll use less wattage to do the same ~nothing.
trinque: better in that it liberates their cash into your hand so you can goto 10
mircea_popescu: you keep thinking in these absolute terms. sometimes relative terms are important.
asciilifeform: if you dun have this, you build a juniper whether wanted to or not.
mircea_popescu: (for the newly born : carload of moneys "know tricks". right.)
mircea_popescu: juniper w/o the carload of monkeys.
mircea_popescu: and without the hotglue gb nics and without the derpy fpga "we dunno how to use things".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so we're talking , approx, 'juniper but w/out the ftmeade magic key' ?
asciilifeform: the buyer's entire objective is to scratch a usg-kowtow itch by blowing those six figs on 'best practice' witch repellent.
mircea_popescu: this has the essential veblen good blessing, being a hardware box.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-23 06:28 mircea_popescu: do you understand the crystal ball problem ?
mircea_popescu: since you're not using any hot glue guns, the task is suprisingly easy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for all i know, they have a microshit antivirus also plugged in. should we then also attempt 'better one' of these as well ?
asciilifeform: it's an algorithmic problem ( i.e. fundamental ), rather than implementation.
mircea_popescu: possibly i didn't make it plain enough that SUCH AN ITEM ALREADY IS PLUGGED IN THERE ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, since we're apparently not selling the rockchip plant to pizarro : how about you build it and make it a "cyberflood master 9000" ?
asciilifeform: some of the fancier units have fpga for filtrations
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i know this, had the misfortune of buying'em, plugging in, fiddling.
diana_coman: if I understand correctly asciilifeform's solution is essentially not as much kill the pest as make the whole thing pest-resilient
mircea_popescu: there's nothing saying pizarro isn't building its own dc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: serious floods are a problem not at the level of our rack, but upstream
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the rate this is going, i guess nsa will soon be in the business of producing flood-fighters ; considering what the "professional" crapola out there costs...
mircea_popescu: if the wrong "rules" of the administrative office get in the way, the only acceptable solutionb is to fucking burn it down.
mircea_popescu: code written to circumvent administrative failure is possibily the source of wank. 20yo who "fought idiot vice-principal" with code rathere than club.
asciilifeform: there is no way around this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another important fact to remember : ip rules inevitably slow traffic.
mircea_popescu: i suspect "iptables" is like "php implementation of ftp" : most people don't have their own isp.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman thinking logically : either this is a problem or it isn't. if it is a problem, then it should be handled upstream not by server.
diana_coman: I am very, very tempted but precisely for this reason still trying to make sure I'm not just preferring the easy way out here
mircea_popescu: ie, "the problem with iptables is that as defined can not exist" ?
asciilifeform: at one time asciilifeform burned 20-40min erry day manually banning . then got tired of this and went to properly optimize the phuctor db so that it doesn't give a damn re load, up to line speed.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, what did you use then? I'm not a huge fan of iptables in any way and this have-to-recompile-kernel doesn't help but I don't know of anything else that is better
asciilifeform: i ended up going back to it, largely to use the aws-ban script
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 14:34 mircea_popescu: well this promises to be a serio0us problem that can't be winged, but will require some thought ; in part because i don't directly see the difference ; and in part because i don't really think a machine without a functioning way to limit access to it is actually seaworthy.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847273 << at the time i built the 1st kernel for these particular iron, i was not using (believe or not) iptables, was quite disappointed with the 'whack-a-mole' approach to bandwidth conservation
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847272 << this is correct, there's a lengthy list of 'optionals' , and not only in iptables, but for just about errything
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'iron babel' of x86 means that there is not and never has been such a thing as 'general purpose kernel'. there exist of course the fraudulent imitations, of shituntu etc. where they roll in 500MB of ??? 'all possible modules' , but it is beneath contempt
asciilifeform: trinque: specifically i mean that kernel is built ~for the iron~ rather than 'for the userland'
mircea_popescu: yes, but... "here's one for amd with raid so and so and fg no external ssd" "here's one for the vibrating bulled you gotta wear per mp orders" "here's one for..." we'll catch our ears.
trinque: except that the product of the build isn't bootable without one, but build takes the kernel config as a parameter, so it can indeed be entirely separate
mircea_popescu: alright. it seems the logical cut here is to disentangle trinque from kernel talk. go ye and make cuntoo ; wtf will we do with the kernels, this is rapidly reverting to 1800s standards of engineering, "die with knowledge"
asciilifeform: ( i discovered the method quite early, in the days of mass FG tests, but did not know the sheer number of sad boxen / kernels afflicted, that turn out to need it )
a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 21:28 diana_coman: after reading around on this mess with the usb speeds, the summary + questions would be: 1. the dwc_otg seems actually specific to raspberry pi so I don't see how it's directly useful atm; am I missing something? 2. the manual/runtime pill so far relies on the companion mechanism to force a USB port down from "high speed" to "full speed" so basically from ehci to uhci/ohci; wouldn't it make more sense to blacklist ehci, xhci and whatever
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc i posted the config, lessee, :
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is entirely so, take a look at the kernel config list sometime, it is a riot of ???
mircea_popescu: the other idea being that apparently it's not even strictly speaking clear what "have iptables" means.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I have iptables atm; the idea was to have it by default on any new config/box/system
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you copy kernel from the 2nd smg box, you get iptables.
asciilifeform: yes, iirc it did not, given as it was a physical clone of mine, which at the time also did not.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: aah we're speaking of the april box
asciilifeform: or was simply 1 ~component~ of iptables absent ( there's somewhere like 50+ 'optionals' in the list )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 14:16 diana_coman: asciilifeform, trinque in case it helps, the kernel option I need to turn on in order to be able to run iptables on the smg machine is networking support/networking options/network packet filtering framework/core netfilter configuration/netfilter xtables support
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847258 << diana_coman i was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that i built smg box with iptables-able kernel. but was not ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, evidently the (undiagnosed ; are these people morons ?!) problem is that "anything could be a firewall rule", ie, this is a place where the scripting turns upon the whole machine state. which makes me suspoect there's a more fundamental error at work somewhere (possibly the very attempt to build a pantsuit net, allcomers-based, possibly something else), but until we get a fix on that...
mircea_popescu: diana_coman 's thing above serving as a "no less than" seeing how minigame is a major downstream adopter ; and the usual "more loc ?! fu!" as a "no more than" driver.
mircea_popescu: trinque kinda what i was thinking here, spend an hour thinking what'd make the cut, put it in, and that's it.
trinque: there is an extremely broad category of possible iptables/netfilter doodads with which to make a firewall, router, etc. I could certainly see use in defining a subset of what's available as standard.
mircea_popescu: well this promises to be a serio0us problem that can't be winged, but will require some thought ; in part because i don't directly see the difference ; and in part because i don't really think a machine without a functioning way to limit access to it is actually seaworthy.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, if "iptables" as a module requires recompilation in order for the scripting to work, it's exactly like a car which, upon turning the wheel, puts up an order for a new car via the useful app instead of turning the wheels.
mircea_popescu: it's my understanding that the point of adding scriptability to a program is exactly that : to permit changes in its functioning ("configuration") without requiring a whole recompile. much like the point of adding a steering wheel in a car is to permit the car to take arbitrary curves, as scripted at time of driving. rather than having to driver (how?) car back to factory get a new one with the differently inclined wheelbase.
trinque: but then the Linux kernel even has in-built TLS support these days (at least optional, for now)
trinque: or could otherwise just bundle every single module and driver.
trinque: sounds right to me; there are myriad other kernel options for various rule types for iptables
diana_coman: asciilifeform, trinque in case it helps, the kernel option I need to turn on in order to be able to run iptables on the smg machine is networking support/networking options/network packet filtering framework/core netfilter configuration/netfilter xtables support
deedbot: http://bingology.net/2018/08/02/selected-costs-associated-with-furnishing-casa-boingo-for-the-curious/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Selected Costs Associated With Furnishing Casa Boingo For The Curious
deedbot: http://bingology.net/2018/07/14/the-joy-of-morcilla-dulce/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - The Joy Of Morcilla Dulce
deedbot: http://bingology.net/2018/07/07/a-look-at-fraudball-the-terrible-spectator-sport/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - A Look At Fraudball, The Terrible Spectator Sport
deedbot: http://bingology.net/2018/06/29/the-moving-process-in-montevideo-continues/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - The Moving Process In Montevideo Continues
BingoBoingo: Well, a good chunk of it is the when of being around people
cazalla: i did get out of my head, i hear (and have read from your own account) what you're saying, went out on a few day trips with the locals and spoke to them etc
BingoBoingo: The socialization is of tremendous value
cazalla: they make the distinction where as i don't, but do you if i bring some taiwanese lass in here?
cazalla: and these taiwanese consider themselves seperate from the chinese, although they are of the same blood
cazalla: i guess i don't have the experience and it makes me feel uncomfortable chatting with someone under 18 even if it's benign, call it conditioning from the west
cazalla: i don't wanna be the white foreign guy hitting on young girls tbh
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i have any idea of what you want from the logs, but can we come up with some specifics so i have some kind of framework as to work with
cazalla: these girls are tiny little things, no ass, no chest, sweet though
mircea_popescu: ikr, trilema got one too. speaking of which asciilifeform we actually spent nothing this month huh! (booked the year colo in july tho paid on like 3rd)
BingoBoingo: Was actually published a few hours ago, but Freenode weather
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> ill speak to the new squeeze but she's pretty, not so smart, just as likely to bring me the opposite << What language does her mom speak?
cazalla: anyway, off to the gym, bbl
mircea_popescu: you seem in very entirely absent danger of being beaten to the punch, for some incomprehensible reason.
cazalla: yeah, i get that, but the taiwanese speak/read/write a different chinese to the mainlanders, as to how different it is i don't know
mircea_popescu: otherwise i could send my own heh.
mircea_popescu: i dun want some european transplant. born there to locals.
cazalla: i don't understand how large the difference between traditional v simplified chinese is or if it matters in this case
mircea_popescu: this is one of the places where a honest fail is worth some chunk of a flat success.
cazalla: worked with the flips so why not
mircea_popescu: the whole par is female adolescent non-dull.
cazalla: ill speak to the new squeeze but she's pretty, not so smart, just as likely to bring me the opposite
cazalla: the people who have taken jobs, came back claiming what they've brought back is what was wanted when it missed completely
cazalla: don't want to go out on the real estate rental pamphlet kind of way
cazalla: i'd rather come back with nothing if i wasn't certain whatever i found was up to par
cazalla: didn't have the keys
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 16:31 mircea_popescu: smoking nervously in the corner, cazalla mother[m] valentinbuza zineKing zx2c4 etc.
cazalla: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834665 << tbh figured you would have brought the hammer down long before
mircea_popescu: Anyone can program: my frustrations arise when they do it without proper specification, testing regime, documentation and after care. << it is deeply untrue that anyone can program.
trinque: will cut a release with the v-tronic portage shortly and we can see if that also breaks for ya.
trinque: ave1: couldn't reproduce your errors. all I had to do to re-run the cuntoo build was to fix the portage snapshot var.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: My though was make the bread more nutritionally complete.
trinque: deedbot may just be the most visible indication that freenode's shitting the bed. wouldn't have any indication when asciilifeform sent his last message to chan, for example.
mircea_popescu: too bad you didn't have the 549876598th ~random "error message" handled!
mircea_popescu: BURN THE INFIDEL DOG!
mircea_popescu: but alf! the intertubes!
PeterL: in US on the other hand, don't carry large amounts of cash when crossing the border or being pulled over by police
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the gall, usg talking of arbitrary detentions.
PeterL: then you fill it with a creamy potato soup and basically fall into a starch fueled happy coma after you're done eating
asciilifeform: re derp.gov, further lulz, https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Turkey.html >> 'Reconsider travel to Turkey due to terrorism and arbitrary detentions' << didjaknow !
PeterL: or she uses basically the same recipe to make two large pizzas, or about 8 bread bowl sized round loaves to stuff soup in
mircea_popescu: in my old age i barely dare a coupla slices a day. and no, they're not footwide slices either ;/
asciilifeform: seems like the only way to test is empirically
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i really wouldn't believe the spinsters one iota in this matter. sure as fuck nobody in turkey gave no "assurances" and in general their pretend-sovereign posture is fucking ridiculous, besides spurious.
PeterL: she does get the "randomly selected" additional security screening every time she goes through a US airport, we assume it is just because of "lives in turkey", but maybe she is on a terrorist watch list somewhere
asciilifeform: https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/12/276772.htm << from the reich's mouth; claims visas buyable
PeterL: unless she married somebody over there and never told anybody in the family, which I guess is possible
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844708 << my sister-in-law lives in Turkey (teacher at a foreign school), goes in and out every few months just fine, but she was living there before they tightened their border
mircea_popescu: i outright deny it is possible to build anything other than a ~model~ mosque in the new world.
mircea_popescu: well, if i said "i'm the only guy here to have read illuminated manuscript" and someone said they read beatrix potter's books i'd similarily point out that the term denotes items made before beatrix potter was invented.
PeterL: now you are moving the goal posts
a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 15:53 mircea_popescu: in fact, thinking about it, me and you might be the ONLY TO people present who've even ever been inside a mosque
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846578 << I have visited a mosque, it's actually the biggest in the US, in Dearborn MI
mircea_popescu: it has to be ; people are uprooting their households in search of glory, it'd be moronic to insult their toil through an overtolerant attitude towards complacency.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 13:22 mircea_popescu: the overarching point being that neither #trilema nor tmsr is a sort of dilbert-larping-zone, here for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845588 "salaried zek" element to gather after hours, smoke, and predictably if circularly discuss how-stupid-everyone-but-us-is.
Mocky: i don't have any complains, vague or otherwise. just stated what i saw. worked out for me in the end
mircea_popescu: i put in the more egregious ones, such as "timeout 260 seconds" coming BEFORE a message and such nonsense. but really...
trinque: somebody's going to have to give me logs then, instead of vague complaints
asciilifeform: Mocky: i've seen this before, sometimes i suspect trinque runs the thing on a 386...
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the sad zoo, https://archive.is/twvyY ( for expert entomologists strictly )
lobbes: aite, here's the updated link >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/09/logbot_command_router_python-genesis/
lobbes: hmm looks like the system date was reset on teh rockchip on restart; fucked up the post url. one sec. will fix
mircea_popescu: anglos were thoroughly fucked up by french artillery there.
mircea_popescu: speaking of both artillery and teh anglo-jewishness, i find it funny there's so much hay about agincourt etc, but hardly ever mentioned teh equally lulzy battle of castillion.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-02 17:31 mircea_popescu: they didn't merely lose the sale ; but specifically sov-style she was "asked to leave".
mircea_popescu: certainly well the fuck more was possible than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846916 bullshit.
asciilifeform: interestingly the weak point was not the metals, then, but the pressure gasket. they had to use leather.
asciilifeform: their compressor was a thing resembling old school fire brigade pump, the kind with seesaw handle
asciilifeform: it is interesting to consider the austrian rifle -- was 'wunderwaffe' of its time, picture, <1s/shot , and iirc 50+ shots on one bottle, with ~= energy to musket of the time
asciilifeform: folx who fill diving tanks, use these.
asciilifeform: can use electric compressor, as mircea_popescu's photo, but these are finnicky & expensive, need regular oiling
mircea_popescu: a man divided upon himself can not stand. let people looking for mockybot gaze upon mockycock, it's good for them.
asciilifeform: ( btw modern air rifle, not the break-open type but the refinement of the austrian 1700s concept, where you pump for hour to fill the bottle, is mighty impressive item, i have one here for pest control, readily punches hole in several wooden planks laid together )
mircea_popescu: but do not fall into the trap of "this is for engineering and this is for fucking and this is for..."
Mocky: mircea_popescu, it's not new just sitting unused. I'll use blog, yes. If I find a use for the alternate, will be ready to go
mircea_popescu: i even saw ancient "invention", was pretty entertaining : barrel has holes cut, through which walls can fall in. as the projectile moves through barrel it clicks the supports walls fall behind it, leaving a chamber. low pressure (ordinary 50kg air compressor) resulting in common bullet shooting at supersonic speeds.
asciilifeform: expensive, but for same dough as the usg gigantic laser nonsense can get much bigger bang.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: giant artillery is a fertile field , imho ( take for instance the concept of evacuated barrel. impressive results even among basement aficionados with air rifles, in these )
mircea_popescu: Mocky need to identify with nickserv, they prolly put +r on ; why new domain i don't get it ?!
mircea_popescu: make a lengthy light barrel, do most of the acceleration towards the end, loose less energy to ^5 rule.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was this the shoot satellite guy ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-02 01:53 mircea_popescu: time to learn that there's a time to grease, if one aims to avoid anal rape lubed in own blood.
mircea_popescu: " he originally offered his services to the Byzantines, but emperor Constantine XI could not afford his high salary nor did he possess the materials necessary" <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846775 quite fucking EXACTLY.
mircea_popescu: the fall of the pantsuit citadel depends on technology transfer. ending the bullshit one impregnable fortress at a time.
mircea_popescu would like to point out at this juncture that the fellow known as orban was in fact very not hungarian, but a transylvanian fellow. from brasov.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of this in late byzantine artefactry, too, btw.
mircea_popescu: the thread goes on AND ON. recall the exploded power line ? or the papier mache heating element ?
mircea_popescu: this being the difference between us. i -- have tried. errything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because the self-same emissaries hold ridiculous goange in the head about how usa is something other than the garbage heap everyone urinates upon.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-02 17:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846877 << this is nothing. girl got sent (to major us metropolitan area) to scout for specific sex shop items. returned list of "best sex shops" in early stage. upon review of their "online store" it was discovered a) they are 100% cheap-ass white label crap, exactly indistinct from what douchebag would run and b) entirtely not representative of 1% of the stock of the brick and mortar store.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846913 << why wouldja send emissaries to usa to buy chinese plastic cocks. ( even i knew -- nothing else is sold there )
mircea_popescu: can't raise to the occasion.
mircea_popescu: Mocky o btw, you absolutely gotta try wearing the gelabeya or w/e they call it there.
Mocky: every time my little brother got really annoying!
Mocky: my grandma would always tell me my name means kindhearted friend/brother...
mircea_popescu: there, the republic has equipped you with a very useful book in dealing with the locals.
mircea_popescu: habibi, btw, means friend/brother.
hanbot: mircea_popescu hanbot also had a good chuckle when diana_coman's kiddo found the backseat stash: "i've found a thing!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, matches exactly my first encounter with the thing.
diana_coman: no, no,there was a bit more for 2nd evening :P
diana_coman: well, it was so good, we kept sipping it and then it would have been a pity to leave behind and then it's ugly to pack an opened bottle and so ...we finished it :P
diana_coman: ah, the rum diplomatico, YES!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it isn't any moar outrageous than the butane-filled refrigerator BingoBoingo found himself with << Well, butane is actually good refrigerant