mircea_popescu: that looks like a butterfly that snorted coffee grinds thinking they're lsd.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` he's the editor.
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: no code then ?
B007: Education is having the abilty to learn
Duffer1: there's no way to reasonably guess who will win, i don't think that bet will see much action :P
Duffer1: for us proles volatility is a threat atm, whether its more a threat than inflation is your choice, all eggs in one basket = bad
punkman1: "Dangers are sum like a kold bath, very dangerous while you stand stripped on the bank, but often not only harmless, but invigorating, if you pitch into them."
B007: the creater of Bitcoin I mean
B007: I wonder how the creater feels about all this
nubbins`: honestly, i'm waiting for the day when i show someone a concept and they just ask me what my fucking problem is before walking away
nubbins`: you know, i honestly wonder sometimes when people give me carte blanche for designing shirts for their band
nubbins`: all things are cyclical, some cycles take longer than others
mircea_popescu: and they thought surrealism was a 1920s thing. ha! i say.
nubbins`: he asked just in case you wondered whether he held his cock in btc or fiat
mircea_popescu: therefore.
nubbins`: i'm sure they thought so too when planning it
nubbins`: there were no smiles
nubbins`: team from bermuda (1 athlete, good for him!) wore red shorts for their uniform. outdoor stadium in russia in february.
nubbins`: it was easier when it was just the onion
jurov: you know the responsible dude was found dead already?
nubbins`: "the olympic rings"
nubbins`: we drank and counted the number of families that were condemned to death by their relatives fucking up their parts in the ceremony
nubbins`: pretty heavy on the russian beat-off tho
mircea_popescu: they just look like that.
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/gRxnT6j.jpg <<< this, for the record, is an actual living creature.
nubbins`: once in korea when hiking in the mountains i stumbled across a small park with 2.5m diameter hula hoops
mircea_popescu: nubbins off to further considerate.
nubbins`: this bears further consideration
jurov: he's saving stuff in the logs
mircea_popescu: thus therefore, infinite entropy.
mircea_popescu: jurov shit i gave the jig away ?
FabianB: benkay: with kinda i didn't mean the exchange itself, just dunno if ceo or whatever role
mircea_popescu: lol someone's watching the logs
benkay: don't think there's much 'kinda' about davout's operation.
FabianB: davout is the only one in this chan which kinda represents a fiat-btc exchange, no?
nubbins`: which of those two cares about the price?
benkay: that'd be the difference between an investor and a trader.
mircea_popescu: benkay im about the same way
benkay: no idea, i don't watch the price
mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/d82a6d16505851e5f4d7be3d2a2320e2/tumblr_mf20j4hXVT1rfc12eo1_400.gif << this could be the bitcoin-assets mascot.
deadweasel: need to bring this back, asap,, for the children
mircea_popescu: there was also a 400% and some 3xxish%
mircea_popescu: the natural time interval for btc is "two weeks" aka 2096 blocks. and there have been eve ndrops.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids: 20% was the lowest ROC i found << unless you normalized to some absurd time interval (month ?) 20% is not the lowest.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids: like the charts you can see on mpex.co already, i just dont think theyre portraying useful info << me either. what's one to do, no pics at all ?!
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids:now obviously small fry 100GH/s is nothing but i thought it was interesting << no, it's not interesting. the reason is the problem of herding cats.
mircea_popescu: one of the better paintings of the renaissance. all those people going "and what is THIS supposed to be then!"
BingoBoingo: Is this the real vexual? http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/02/08/sage_kotsenburg_wins_slopestyle_gold_medal_with_1620_japan_jump.html
mircea_popescu: i was wearing the juice!
kakobrekla: whats with you picking on the little people
ozbot: <xabbix> MagicalTux the only viable option for you guys to keep customers after - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: and you don't need to ask anyone her phone number, cause they give them consecutive numbers
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, wouldn't it be cool to live in one of these so called countries in europe or w/e ? when they have like 50 women total
mircea_popescu: wait, all slovene women had to wash in cold water after sex these past weeks ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So do I. Dogers are probably waiting for some sort of exchange-ish thing because grepping WoT and OTC is hard for them, because reading
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i always thought what ThickAsThieves was trying to accomplish with those coelho quotes is make it sound esl enough for the doge crowd.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Doge seems to be. If they can get the joke though the Doge users might start pumping Altcoin though.
kakobrekla: where are you pulling these numbers from
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo weren't they freefalling from 200 ?
BingoBoingo: If the Dogers push it past 1000 satoshis per I might part with my 31337
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly. So far the big liquidity providers are all selling though.
BingoBoingo: Apparently after I bought Altcoins at 150, the next buyer went at 180. Looks like Altcoin is growing up into a real, bubbly Altcoin.
Duffer1: the /me stuff really brought it home
mircea_popescu: and eventually we discovere dthe newly installed mod_security comes with rules now.
mircea_popescu: so then i screamed obscenities in a lengthy single breath of fifty eight minutes
mircea_popescu: but then people were wtf are you about, i see it
mircea_popescu: and so they wrote me a thing to go around it.
mircea_popescu: because motherfucking god almighty if it works today and it doesn't work tomorrow i wish the world entire to burn.
mircea_popescu: and they found nothing and i was livid with fury
mircea_popescu: and made the poor unfortunate junior dev read my entire installantion, in spite of it not having been modified, to find wtf
mircea_popescu: instead of taking me back to the publishing box with the pre-prepared html code referencing the image
mircea_popescu: for one day, when i went to add a new pair of tits, the "insert image" button simply redirected me to a random page of my blog
mircea_popescu: part and parcel of this being showing the people tits. until one day!
mircea_popescu: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes
ozbot: NOBS - Cryptocurrency Social Network - The Global Village
herbijudlestoids: dont take it literally, its just what they call it
mircea_popescu: that;s what they told you.
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: you got the queen and everything dontcha ?
mircea_popescu: australia is part of the uk no ?
Duffer1: isn't @live the microsoft system?
ThickAsThieves: solve the problems independently, as in
mircea_popescu: there you go.
ThickAsThieves: you cant start discerning between which ratings are meaningful or not yourself, thats the whole point of the damn system
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: i think the reputation ledger has value specifically because its business transactions
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: what im trying to say is, if the reputation ledge is built on the back of wotbook then its just a social graph.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the drivers of btctalk are scamming and derping.
herbijudlestoids: the existing WoT is a reputation ledger.
ThickAsThieves: well depends which part of the idea you mean
herbijudlestoids: so, not wotbook then
herbijudlestoids: right now the WoT is based on business transactions, youre proposing something where people just build a social graph
ThickAsThieves: thats not the problem at all
ThickAsThieves: asking the wrong guy
herbijudlestoids: and then host that elgg
ThickAsThieves: as far as the wot distribution problem, i think i have an idea, outside services that integrate with it
herbijudlestoids: i dont know cantonese or mandarin either :(
ThickAsThieves: pop in The Wall?
herbijudlestoids: i mean as a method of distributing the WoT
mircea_popescu: the only drawback is that it's not instantaneous, which makes it "unrevolutionary"
mircea_popescu: or else he won't, and if the people hate it enough wot will die out
herbijudlestoids: so users of ozwot can query both local and -otc wot members (and any others in the list i guess), but gribble users have to query two WoTs to get the same coverage
mircea_popescu: then once enough people actually want to rate someone in ozwot they'll keep bitching at nanotube who will eventually add a back flow.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user paypal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=paypal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=paypal | Rated since: Sat Aug 25 19:56:10 2012
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't particularly assign trust to the gateway
herbijudlestoids: right right, ok so gribble can at best assign trust to the ozwot guy rather than individuals within
herbijudlestoids: so if the -otc WoT goes down, then users of my WoT can still rate other users in the same web, and interrogate the local cache of the -otc WoT, but they cant push ratings around the graph (outside the local WoT)
herbijudlestoids: so all the extra bots are periphery
mircea_popescu: but i guess if you keep cloning the wot you may display more or less in sync results independently
herbijudlestoids: so lets say i want to run ozWoT, for cool oz kids like myself, and i clone the code off github (or wherever it lives) and setup my own gribblesque bot, users talking to my bot should be able to rate users through gribble and vice versa
herbijudlestoids: but only gribble is the arbiter for WoT right? like gribble connects to same backend as -otc website?
mircea_popescu: gribble is the bitcoin bot, run by nanotube, who's been kind enough to add it here.
mircea_popescu: assbot is the assets bot run by kakobrekla.
mircea_popescu: it's fargo two and they'll shoot it all in la...
mircea_popescu: the code is already written tho.
mircea_popescu: than to have either world empire run by one man or world bureaucracy
herbijudlestoids: thats the way im visualising it in my head now
herbijudlestoids: they? it?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids well, technically, they'd have to talk to it, but yes.
mircea_popescu: and i wouldn't want to pgp sign it either
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: from what i understand the existing each "centralised" WoT can talk to other WoTs, and assign trust to them http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#490339
asciilifeform: hence the precaution, explained to all newcomers, of ignoring absolute scores and looking at the 'who'
asciilifeform: the wot as we have it now is perfectly sybil-able
asciilifeform: the 'trivial solution' would be, somewhat obviously: everybody pgp-signs all wot ops, and people simply mirror the results
mircea_popescu: the only thing is... it has to be done well, as opposed to just done so someone can go to conferences herpderping about 3d printed wots
Diablo-D3: you're just stating the problem wrong
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: but it sounds like the existing WoT is already distributable
Diablo-D3: asciilifeform: the easy way is to just use pgp ;)
herbijudlestoids: yea, i was proposing some things before mircea_popescu showed up, his log only starts from there
herbijudlestoids: the message i took away was that theres no real reason to change from the existing WoT, which i assumed wasnt distributed, because ThickAsThieves said he wanted a more distributedy WoT
herbijudlestoids: Diablo-D3: did i? lol i was in the conversation, was there a facet of me getting told that i missed
herbijudlestoids: Duffer1: i keep in contact with my ex boss...showed him some of the logs from this chan, he said and i quote "sounds like youve finally found some people who can keep you occupied"
herbijudlestoids: that bit of the conversation was with ThickAsThieves?
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: if that's me "getting it bad" then im happy to get it so, i prefer the discussion, or at the very minimum to be able to hear and consider new viewpoints
Duffer1: oh i was referring to the training process footnote hehe
kakobrekla: ah right, i commented just the comments havent read through
Duffer1: It’s just that you’re new here and haven’t gone through the training process.vi
mircea_popescu: pretty much the earlier log, with ample commentary
ozbot: On periphery and the peripheral. Ephemerides are also mentioned. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Pope
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Apocalyptic!~Apocalypt@unaffiliated/apocalyptic. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Apocalyptic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Apocalyptic | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Apocalyptic | Rated since: Mon Jul 15 09:32:50 2013
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Apocalyptc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Apocalyptc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Apocalyptc | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: tho, let them learn to otc.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> yes, but i feel dirty telling people to go to these sites << this is a problem.
Vexual: noome ghost hoas been in my fridge and just left the cheeze
ThickAsThieves: everywhere they go
Vexual: cant call it the altcoin zand hope for cryptsy
ThickAsThieves: yes, but i feel dirty telling people to go to these sites
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ThickAsThieves: are any of these altcoin exchanges from someone trustworthy?
ThickAsThieves: stare at it for a minute then try seeing
Perlboy: for me i'm just trying to understand the instrument, definitely the most complex i've seen in btc space
herbijudlestoids: ok foods ready, imma go back to my movie, hope the explanation doesnt burn your eyes Perlboy
mircea_popescu: oh. yeah, in retrospect, she did graphs for the mining diff complex hedge thing, not for this.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: you can just google short put to see the payoff graphs for it ;)
mircea_popescu: i think they help a lot, personally.
mircea_popescu: she included graphs for womenz and other visual thinkers.
Perlboy: mircea_popescu, let me go log read rather than waste more of your time..
ThickAsThieves: <kakobrekla> tat blockr will add atc --- you know them?
herbijudlestoids: Perlboy: i tried to explain it to nubbins yesterday (in depth) if you wanna look through the logs
mircea_popescu: Perlboy naked puts work like this : you make money by the price rising up to your strike. so in the 800-5k per interval, the puts slowly made money for the seller.
Perlboy: cause that's the way bugpowders response read.
Perlboy: mircea_popescu, appreciate the answer so thanks. So in summary someone gambled the price would goto 4000->5000 by end of February?
ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltcoin.org
herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: whats the link for altcoin again?
mircea_popescu: Perlboy bugpowder went and explained it to people on the forum ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=jvs9l9mqvr6d3hnql5bfs445b1&topic=449354.msg4959357#msg4959357 ) and it has been discussed here in public plus a bunch of kids with blogs wanted to "interview" me or w/e.
ThickAsThieves: just putting it out there
Vexual: if you want the real alt you dont wanna be in every marketplace
ThickAsThieves: "We'll add new features to blockr and then we'll proceed with second phase of adding coins. Blockr is modular and ATC doesn't seem to be problematic to add. We'll make a public announcement when phase II starts."
ThickAsThieves: "Unfortunatelly that's almost all that we've done. And there's so much more we want to do with blockr. So we made a decision to stop adding new coins for some time."
ThickAsThieves: "I'm not familiar how coinmarketcap.com works but I was certain I'd find you there. Did you not request to be added there?
ThickAsThieves: the staff
mircea_popescu: Vexual maybe they pay in kind.
mircea_popescu: and then we could have buck naked does X obscure town in kanuckistan, volume 75984576985
Vexual: yeah they don't pay for good ropework
mircea_popescu: Vexual you know there's a lot of aussie chicks into being roped up.
ThickAsThieves: i mean they havent done drugs and been in a porno
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if they have no business training at all.
mircea_popescu: it's remarkable how little people understand of what they're actually saying.
mircea_popescu: because all people are interested in bitcoin the way all women are interested in sucking it.
mircea_popescu: well, if you model the same way it's 50% vs 100%
mircea_popescu: so then .5 * 20 / .005 * 10000
ThickAsThieves: i bet straight guys visit the page more than anyone
herbijudlestoids: well the target audience is slightly larger mp, between 50% of the romanian population who are potentially interested (+ gay guys) versus what...0.5% of global pop interested in bitcoin?
Vexual: mp do you actually have a haerum, or is that a joke about the slaves email?
mircea_popescu: o wait. you're the guy that can make us the mesh dome anti-hypersonic-missile defense.
mircea_popescu: nubbins is the same way.
ThickAsThieves: i dont think they are in use anymore
ThickAsThieves: but the prints are quite nice
ThickAsThieves: the machines never run perfectly
ThickAsThieves: the paper runs a few inches away from ink wells
ThickAsThieves: they are these large format printers that use static (sorta like a xerox) to pattern a coated paper
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves their health monitor thing ?
Vexual: i would fix the fuck outta those laser printers
mircea_popescu: cause of conceptual confusion engendered by the "market"
mircea_popescu: like i dunno, spending all their money on facebook ads.
mircea_popescu: but in general concepts pose the larger problem. if they did try to take it they may end up doing something idiotic
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves maybe, on the hardware part of things,
mircea_popescu: wao-ender the trick in this discussion is the hidden axiom that "a bunch of people buying and selling isn't necessarily a market"
mircea_popescu: yeah but it's more the hopes and aspirations of a bunch of nuts and the creative effort of some geeks.
herbijudlestoids: seems quite useful for prosthetics and things like that
Vexual: when thers a 3d pixma ill but iy
mircea_popescu: the 3d printer market is composed of no market.
mircea_popescu: they can't.
ThickAsThieves: Xerox should take over 3d printer market while they can
mircea_popescu: they can't be trusted with defining what being nyc actually means, but they can be trusted to implement a very broken, ridiculous version of what they heard it may be like.
mircea_popescu: they wanna be just like nyc.
mircea_popescu: this is what the periphery does : words.
ThickAsThieves: why did they just like, throw in 3D printers into that statement
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they mean "mpex" and don't know how to say it.
mircea_popescu: Vexual that place where the government pays for kids airs.
mircea_popescu: he proceeds to try and prove to the world that no, i am wrong. indeed he is in hs.
mircea_popescu: actually from the same fuckwit
herbijudlestoids: think im gonna chuck some food in the oven, bbs
mircea_popescu: and i think exactly the same of friedcat and co, too. when i say it's a sad story this is what i mean.
herbijudlestoids: so that people can query whichever shits they want in web services?
mircea_popescu: because then if there are many idiots in the same boat it wouldn't have been a waste.
mircea_popescu: spend all their time making retarded websites encouraging little boys to waste their life similarly
mircea_popescu: meanwhile all the fuckwitted uk people who spend their time pretending to be women and pretending to be famous and important and into tech