mircea_popescu: incidentally : CORRECTLY DESIGNED BITCOIN SITES, SUCH AS MPEx, that use tx encoding in the payment ARE IMMUNE TO THIS, and many other bugs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform new men supermarket opens in a town, where women can come and simply buy themselves a boyfriend. first floor : "Here are guys who like beer and watching tv". 2nd floor : sensitive guys who only want to hug and hang out. 3rd floor : all the women, and a huge panel : This floor only exists to show you you can never be satisfied.
deadweasel: part of that was filmed in the George r brown convention center in houston,tx
mircea_popescu: KRS1 yup. prolly the policemen get paid regardless, just for making up charges or some shit.
KRS1: Do you guys remember Robocop moviee from the 1980's?
KRS1: what was I thinking of..money laundering isn't handled by the state anyway, only the charge could be filed but the prosecution is handled in federal court.
mircea_popescu: amply documented since before i made mpex cause i knew of it at the time
jurov: even after one of them confirms
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know the perfect man joke ?
jurov: everyone, upon stumbling on the malleable tx myself i can explain where is the problem exactly
asciilifeform: which is why the 'perfect dpr' owns no computer, neither do his friends, and is, in fact: a dentist. (whose name we will never learn.)
mircea_popescu: the proper way a police is run since about 500bc
mircea_popescu: nah, the entire thing is well... scare the malfeasants for a coupla days, they look dorky, who knows what info they have to share.
asciilifeform: but you set up the muppet theatre 'with the muppets you have, not the muppets you wish you had.'
mircea_popescu: second off, derpy mc derp, police officer of 88 iq is DEFINITELY not the firestarter there.
mircea_popescu: first off, the entire state of florida is not cool enough to issue one single such magical device per annum
asciilifeform: 'article 58' of the soviet penal code was also 'law,' used in this exact way.
asciilifeform: 'law' is a distinctly poor description of the mechanism at work here
mircea_popescu: the da hasn't passed on it for w/e reason, but it's hardly a case.
mircea_popescu: it's quite visible what happened there, mongoloid cops went to the da with their "investigation", da told them he won't prosecute
KRS1: Of the 50 states, I'll admit, Florida is different with reguard to legislation..but certainly not the worst. Has something to do with being part of the historical "deep south".
mircea_popescu: then the media frenzy of "the state of florida spent $195,000 taxpayer dollars to harass some random guy playing online, and got laughed out of court for it"
mircea_popescu: either that or they're getting all the WoW sword of x "money laundering" cases into their state,
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no way a judge actually even hears the case of 500 dollars "money laundering"
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the earlier money laundering bs
mircea_popescu: "BURN THE WITCH!!1"
mircea_popescu: "and then i said to him, we intend to break the us law, your honor, and he said i don't give a shit about this us you speak of"
dub: a messican and cunukistani, what were they even doing in gods great nation
kakobrekla: Espinoza, prosecutors allege, arranged such a deal with an undercover agent in early December in which that officer paid $500 for 0.403 BTC, in turn generating a profit of around $83.67 for the seller. Investigators then arranged for a second transaction to occur days later, that time purchasing 1 BTC for $1,000 and earning Espinoza around $167.56 through fees as a result.
dub: do they have maff in russia
Shakespeare: they mentioned Ripples after all
Shakespeare: "Okay, dogecoiners, you got us. It may surprise people who don’t even know about bitcoin to learn that there are number of alternative, electronic currencies out there. They include litecoin, Ripples, Mastercoin, Quark, the soon-to-come auroracoin (for Icelanders)…and dogecoin, a newcomer that started out just in December as something of a joke"
Shakespeare: "Michael Gronager, COO from Kraken, a U.S.-based exchange that currently specializes in trading euros for bitcoin, said attacks that exploit transaction malleability have grown rapidly from being almost non-existent in the bitcoin economy a couple of weeks ago to 4,000 false claims for non-payment on Sunday alone."
gribble: MtGox lag is 1488.827797 seconds. During this time, light travels 2.98359423544 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Ceres (in the main asteroid belt) (2.77 AU).
deadweasel: or loved one, or both, should that be the case
Apocalyptic: missed the link, thanks
ozbot: Chaos: Making a New Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: words in principle are meaningless, and cultural references idem could serve both a thesis and its anti
mircea_popescu: i say this to my slaves all the time.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise... this is art, that's how you know it : you only find out later hw deep it really was.
mircea_popescu: just, the ripeness of its depth is not directly observable for bitcoin noobs
mircea_popescu: "have you a surgeon ? " "tis not in the bond"
mircea_popescu: portia ie athena points out to him that mere words without context decay into meaninglessness
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, he lost in that travesty of fiat justice at the end
mircea_popescu: who do you figure the hero was, portia ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shylock was the hero.
mircea_popescu: purely arbitrary what they chant.
mircea_popescu: you could just as well teach them to chant "ffmpeg" "awk" "youtube-dt" etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. nevertheless, insteaf of teaching the fucktarded horde to chant "white privilege" "global warming" "feed the hungry"
asciilifeform: or was that here in the channel
BingoBoingo: Shylock should have been the hero
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall your essay on 'the cost of linux' ?
mircea_popescu: but most of the world doesn't have linux cause they live in the poor world which gates helped.
Shakespeare: The motions of his spirit are as dull as night..
Shakespeare: Bill Gates: "Over the next 5 years I think digital money will catch on in India and parts of Africa and help the poorest a lot."
nubbins`: you append the name of each layer with a time in milliseconds
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform never because fuctards are more interested in "saving the world" in the shape of doing something or the other in africa
mircea_popescu: yet there's no search engine doing gif video encoding on teh fly
mircea_popescu: but the play itself is great.
mircea_popescu: mike_c the al pacino movie is almost ok
dub: the fuck is bing
nubbins`: was about to lel @ .aspx until i noticed the domain
Shakespeare: The devil hath power to assume a pleasing shape.
mike_c: too bad nobody seems to put on that play. watching the movie instead seems like a bad idea.
nubbins`: supposing there's a month where no collateral is needed, bondholders collect no interest?
mircea_popescu: it was in response to jurov's command. they wouldn't show in oix cause they're sales.
mircea_popescu: Feb 04 22:05:57 <mircea_popescu>nah cause they're sales see
mircea_popescu: at the end of the month the widest berth of that collateral need is taken as "the needed collatera" figure
mircea_popescu: whosoever buys an option must has the btc to pay for it. in the case of mpbot this goes into its collateral needs for the month
mircea_popescu: whosoever sells an option has first to create it, which takes collateral. in the case of mpbot this goes into its collateral needs for the month.
mike_c: right, but mpoe had to buy them, where did that money come from?
jurov: these options were covered by seller, not by mpoe
mike_c: mircea_popescu:nah cause they're sales see << maybe you were referring to something else
nubbins`: these things actually turned out to be a pretty good investment
nubbins`: did a course on them in uni
mike_c: oh, so it only triggers a capital need if the price moves adversely?
mike_c: you confused me the other day when you said the put sales didn't trigger a capital need by mpoe
mircea_popescu: anyway. this discussion is not really resolvable, hence the arguables early on
mike_c: it only matters if investor returns on JD are predictable. which 1) they are if there are a bunch of small bettors, 2) they are not if there are whales.
mike_c: yeah, but nobody cares what the rolls are, we care about investor returns.
davout: no, i'm saying there are fundamental differences in random values, and chaotic values
davout: whereas on chaotic values there is no distribution, no mean, no standard deviation etc
mircea_popescu: ok so there is one.
davout: what i'm trying to say is that the returns on JD are based on something random, on which you can use statistics to infer stuff, on the other hand, market prices are not random, but chaotic, hence it not being comparable
mike_c: the only concern for an investor would be that their computation method has an exploitable flaw
mircea_popescu: mike_c even sidestepping the whale issue. who told you that the way they compute is actually uniformly distributed ?
mircea_popescu: either show it or don't show it.
davout: mircea_popescu: because of the way it's computed
mike_c: and they are not uniformly distributed
moiety: Ik moet deze taal kennen. Ik ben geboren in Nederland. nokawa is the whale high roller man right?
davout: aren't they?
mircea_popescu: yes, the jd rolls.
davout: the JD rolls
mircea_popescu: davout how do you know it's uniformly distributed in the first place ?
davout: mircea_popescu: i'd argue it's easier to measure the risk on something random, uniformly distributed than on something chaotic
mjr_: mircea_popescu: does that include gox then?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there are.
mike_c: that's only one piece of the risk though, volatility on mpbor is so unpredictable.
mjr_: was wondering what the index was for options now
mircea_popescu: which of the two ?
mircea_popescu: arguably the jd risk is actually > mpbond risk
moiety: how are we all and am i speaking in the correct language today?
mircea_popescu: they can't put up with the notion that much smarter, much better people are there to lead them, so they end up with issues such as starting alt coins,
the20year3: In my brother's short 15 minute conversation with DHL ,the rep/head sure did seem to understand the massive benefit to acceptance
asciilifeform: aha. plenty of yellow mud left at Butugichag for these folks.
mircea_popescu: kiddos born in the "you can do anything" utopia have little idea just how much impact deeds and misdeeds actually have on their own future.
pankkake: "Someone who provides a very needed service for the community"
ThickAsThieves: "Even at a 10 billion dollar market cap — the peak achieved by Beanie Babies in 1999 — bitcoin is almost irrelevant in financial terms."
pankkake: well it would have shown "a woman with the morals of a man"
ThickAsThieves: "The only way to quickly buy bitcoins requires cash: a consuming, hastle-prone step." how you know an article is garbage
gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
ThickAsThieves: <the20year3> is this TAT's fund or someone else's? ---- it was referring to Dr Greg
asciilifeform: or, for the techno-trendiness points, 'mkponzi'
Dimsler_: can't way till hes out of the fucking picture
asciilifeform: they'll use that online 'alcoin generator', as soon as it gets a '100% premined' ticky-box in the menu.
asciilifeform: they'll simply 'repay' their chumps in 'goxcoin', as soon as mr. k gets gcc working on his box.
mircea_popescu: it was well managed in that the eventual final shock surprised/shocked no one
mircea_popescu: in a sense they had been slowly being decoupled from btc economy since april 2013.
diametric: gox will live on as people trade non-existent bitcoins internal to their platform.
nubbins`: the20year3, almost everyone
asciilifeform: pwned in the sense of certain people taking home astronomically-improbable winnings
asciilifeform: the otherwise-inconsequential 'tx id' shenanigans: is that how satoshidice was pwned?
benkay: i want my display on one six-axis arm, and my kb on another. then i want the controller to optimize positioning of kb and monitor indpendently to optimize my posture.
mircea_popescu: could even have the error ding as a vibration
nubbins`: then you better not stop walking :D
nubbins`: there ya go
asciilifeform: nubbins`: could be made to work. 'chording keyboard' in the handlebars.
asciilifeform: any 'teledildonics' experts here? what's the state-of-the-art in exercise-powered diddling machines
KRS1: I think I've seen all of these...moar plz.
asciilifeform: eventually the ball will go out of fashion, and they will move to those treadmill-plus-laptop gadgets or somesuch.
benkay: sitting on a ball isn't going to fix the health problem of being obese.
jurov: prolly i'll advise to rename themselves to coinslutants
asciilifeform: i imagine it came out of somewhere quasi-rational, sure. but it seems to have this other purpose now, as well.
mircea_popescu: they probably have an approved brand
jurov: If you are interested in becoming a Coinsultant, this is a right time for you. Coinsulting family is growing same as Crypto Currencies do. In case you consider yourself being the right one, please send us your CV at careers@coinsulting.net
mircea_popescu: jurov conveniently omitting to name any of those clients which they advised
jurov: Our firm Coinsulting Ltd. is first Crypto consulting agency specializing on compliance services for Bitcoin businesses. We advise our clients how to do their business legally all around the world. On March 22nd 2014, we are organizing a Bitcoin event in Shanghai, China called BTCrisis conference.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they be kids.
jurov: just got borderline lulzy spam from them
mircea_popescu: jurov ahaha they done got your nigger.txt one better
jurov: who tf names their company coinsulting?
mircea_popescu: now and again i take one of their guys, send him flying through three sheets of frozen glass, distribute the photos. it's really a lot of fun.
asciilifeform: if these folks had half a brain, they'd be pushing the 'altscam to rule them all' about now.
mircea_popescu: not coincidental that they're trying to cover for gox now.
mircea_popescu: not particularly accidental that they vouched for the bfl scam, not happenstance that they still are covering for vessenes' frauds
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'bitcoin magazine' gang?
mircea_popescu: diametric from the get-go the entire scamset (mtgox and bfl and pirate and etc) were working together under the guise of the foundation thing.
mircea_popescu: mike_c they been running that shit since about 2012
nubbins`: "...oh, they support doge"
nubbins`: asciilifeform, i groan at the number of exchanges that support altscams
diametric: they did not
deadweasel: did they ever implement litcoin?? Their saying they 'might' is involvment with altscams.
asciilifeform: can't wait to see what other 'bugs' in the protocol 'must be fixed!' before 'our children and the homeland are safe'
mircea_popescu: you should see the fucktarded "press".
mike_c: the blockchain is log.bitcoin-assets.com
mike_c: a centralized altcoin. there's an innovation for you.
nubbins`: closest i've had is shepherd's pie, which i suspect is not the same at all
punkman: ThickAsThieves: they aren't saying much, http://www.centralbank.gov.cy/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=13239
mod6: From the 4th Crusade?
mircea_popescu: okay, the first to name a 90 year old blind general that took part in actual field hostilities gets 1000 ALTs
mircea_popescu: "i live at 19, the career of the herpyderp poet". sounds like it's from the adventures of knownot
jcpham: good 'ol bestgox to save the day
punkman: mircea_popescu: they got pretty good reviews, http://www.yelp.com/biz/quimet-and-quimet-barcelona
mircea_popescu: also there are a bunch of terrines which you pretty much prefer canned...
punkman: but I gotta start writing again, maybe recipes will get me in the mood
punkman: I'm gonna make some octopus stew tomorrow, maybe blog the recipe
mircea_popescu: ^ great way to end the day
punkman: deadweasel, catching an octopus is just a great way to start the day
mircea_popescu: gotta prepare the lunch...
mircea_popescu: casts in the ocean
mircea_popescu: suddenly she opens the hatch, pulls out a fishing cane
deadweasel: lol, i see what you did there.
mircea_popescu: punkman you mean they cook already opened cans or do you mean they offer a selection of stuff like canned tennis balls etc ?
deadweasel: my body says no.. tried to eat store bought bacon this weekend, one bite, pitched it all in the garbage.
punkman: there's this restaurant in Barcelona that only serves food out of cans
deadweasel: ha, yes, fresh octo is excellent! spear fished some in greece at breakfast time, at them at lunch
mircea_popescu: deadweasel the difference being chiefly that you know the people who serve the prime beef, but not the others
mircea_popescu: that thing was the most objectionable piece of well used tyre
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: you're probaly right. the fresh shrimp aren't so bad, but I'll always prefer a grassfed beef cow.
ThickAsThieves: i enjoyed the olives in Cyprus
deadweasel: actual alloy, the most real metal of our time.
deadweasel: actualloy, the scallops I had in greece were excellent, I forgot about those.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel that's the problem with you wisconsin goodfolk. you obviously lack some of the tastebuds
mircea_popescu: scallops are iffy in that they're really no good preserved
ThickAsThieves: also your brain is way smarter then you when it comes to cravings
deadweasel: roaches of the sea. i tried lobster again sicne I'm in Maine, but still, no stars, no amazing flavour, nothing. just sea cockroach meat.
ThickAsThieves: just the smell
ThickAsThieves: the smell makes me not hungry
ThickAsThieves: the only seabugs i ever brang myself to eat were shrimp and perriwinkles
mircea_popescu: meat and fruit is an eastern combo, seeing how they had little choice in many places : either eat the figs or eat no veggies.
mircea_popescu: anyone know the beauty and wonder that is mincemeat pie ?
mike_c: bitcoinaverage had a button to remove gox price from inception. can't wait for them to die, it will be better than SR dying.
mircea_popescu: definitely sweeter than the glbse thing.
mircea_popescu: chsados-work very few people here actually traded there, afaik. but they seem to be having some sort of problem
ThickAsThieves: i have some altcoins there, that's about it
mircea_popescu: punkman they're being run upon.
punkman: btc-e goxed themselves too?
mircea_popescu: the funny thing is, of course, that
ThickAsThieves: they have issues too?
the20year3: With as much money as gox had coming in/going out , they should have had a full time seucrity team doing nothing but looking for weaknesses
ThickAsThieves: there are?
ThickAsThieves: "There are best practices to think about and account for by those who want to build companies. "
ThickAsThieves: <@gmaxwell> xiando: as far as mtgox's "proposal" having a stable-txid is handy, and sure we'll add that, in fact here is the code: https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commit/1173eef630783a822d9a709cfbc22ba91880231e
nubbins`: afaik i was doomed from the start
ThickAsThieves: guess who writes a great line like this "The news is only the latest in a nearly year-long series of shocks to hit the once seemingly unassailable exchange. "
ThickAsThieves: lol bloomberg called the iphone smashers jackasses
mike_c: i had some lulz yesterday reading the logs with people talking about how easy it is to get 9's on a system :)
mike_c: usaoscoin: this one works off the live option prices:
moiety: i like how the address is 'enjoy' ThickAsThieves
nubbins`: she was in the middle of writing a proposal that she had "temporarily" named "beat-off.doc"
Duffer1: i'd love to actually, but i have nothing to donate to help them see how it works hehe