mircea_popescu: proofines = the quality of something which isn't proven but you'd like it to be.
asciilifeform: decimation: see, for example: the notion of 'formats.' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309)
asciilifeform: decimation: the rot goes far deeper.
ozbot: A Mathematical Proof Too Long To Check - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/02/18/1839237/a-mathematical-proof-too-long-to-check
decimation: I think guys like him and Vint Cerf see what the Internet has become and are sad
decimation: chokepoints in the graph
BingoBoingo: I remember when half of the failed grocers and restauranteurs tried to set up competing dial up ISPs
decimation: I always wondered how they would deal with constrained nodes
decimation: right. It seems to me that there is still space to compete in that market for bottom dollar text/email
asciilifeform: before the appearance of inexpensive/ubiquitous 'ip over cellular'
asciilifeform: they work - but no backhaul.
decimation: I wonder if they still work :)
asciilifeform: they still respond to signals! i once bought a ricochet modem just to determine this.
mircea_popescu: and perhaps the larger loss. as people today interact with him like with shakespeare, out of reinterpreted reinterpretations of copies
BingoBoingo: I imagine Satoshi is a lurker in this chan, never speaking, but simply logging the lols
decimation: this is true. I would rather have bitcoin as-is than no bitcoin
decimation: yeah. The end-to-end argument ( http://www.reed.com/dpr/locus/Papers/EndtoEnd.html ) was written in the early 80's and seems to have been ignored ever since
mircea_popescu: by the time they're done they will have collected enough tidbits (such as this one) to actually make an alt with a chance.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, bored young minds with the strength of oxen wishing to create an ACTUAL altcoin are well advised to try and specify bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: because they mostly don't exist standalone because people in gaming need and so make them
decimation: alas, youth is wasted on the young
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I feel bad for the youth who will be swindled into giving their flower to rank idiocy <<< unlike what other youth ?
decimation: no, but I find the overuse of TCP to be an annoyance. TCP was made by the devil to help people trick themselves
decimation: what I don't understand is why bitcoin network code uses TCP, yet includes optimization hacks to try to improve performance. Why not manage things properly at the application layer with UDP?
BingoBoingo: The simpler solution is to remember to grind spent but warm cigarette butts into the dirt when traversing a tinderbox.
nubbins`: the simpler explanation is "people are idiots and need explicit signage" rather than "good smoke / bad smoke"
nubbins`: meh. in the early days of canada's national parks, they had to put signs up reminding people not to toss lit cigarettes or tap pipe bowls onto the ground
decimation: It seems to me that there would be some value in having a multicast stream of blockchain updates
decimation: "Smoking tobacco is losing so it seems reasonable to ban smoking it even in your own car while driving through a brushfire zone. Smoking marijuana is winning, so it doesn't seem like the ban on smoking in Laurel Canyon applies to dope."
decimation: also: steve sailor makes the point that marygeewanna is 'good smoke' - need to remind people that it can start fires too: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/02/good-smoking-v-bad-smoking.html
asciilifeform: it's yet another idiot funnel for the public treasury (incl. grants) into the pockets of 'seekoority' hucksters.
decimation: ascii did you see the maryland "cyber center" link?
nubbins`: ah, even better then
asciilifeform: the point was not that diddled tomatoes in particular will replace smokable delights, but that the idiocy of prohibition could be technologically finessed
nubbins`: “Health Canada had valid concerns” about the authorized license applications they were receiving last year, says Mr. Kennedy. Many displayed a “lack of sophistication” about the medical marijuana industry, or had a “lack of capital,” he says. The department “was concerned about the ability of new licence holders to meet demand.”
BingoBoingo: Well there were K2 and the other products from Asian and pacific pharmaceutical manufacterer's after hours production
nubbins`: "Health Canada estimates that by 2024, the 'legal marijuana supply industry' may have annual revenues of $1.3-billion."
asciilifeform: and then THC-secreting genmod tomato is introduced, and people forget the idiot political crap.
kakobrekla: depends on the amount of '='
BingoBoingo: Some things are more finite than others.
mircea_popescu: basically what they do now, if you move usd to eur or w/e
chetty: It will be whatever paypal is giving +30% (their fee)
mircea_popescu: after paypal offers transparent exchanging into and from bitcoin to anyone with a paypal account we won't even KNOW what the exchange rate is anymore.
mircea_popescu: we are losing control over the thing.
mircea_popescu: and given the horridly ineptitude of the tech people + the horridly dishonest ineptitude of the "business" people involved in the "market" let's call it for lack of a better term of interfacing bitcoin and fiats
mircea_popescu: anyway, the greater strategic implication here is that given my lukewarm at best interest in the fiat side,
kakobrekla: i know the answer to that!!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You wrote before on the subject of stolen credentials like credit card numbers making a poor currency due to their short lifespan.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they of any sense'll treat their investments in coinbase/whatever exchange as having terms of 1 year tops.
mircea_popescu: this, prior to bitcoin was the most valuable and only valuable thing to keep on a server.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they hold ccs
BingoBoingo: I don't know if Paypal can make the jump from holding nothing of value on their servers to holding numbers of extreme value.
mircea_popescu: course their webwallet would have an exchange built in, which by now they're probably testing and which nobody will be either to compete with or outlaw.
mircea_popescu: lol so paypal wants to compete with bitcoin by making... yet another webwallet.
decimation: also for the lolz: http://cnsmaryland.org/2014/02/18/officials-boost-maryland-cybersecurity-center/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting how there is never a translation (of whatever quality) to english
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: S.POT, canada is outlawing personal growing for medical marijuana patients in april, and the entire system will move over to private growers. legal at federal level. country full of world-renowned growers. number of licensed users expected to grow tenfold over next decade. nice business to have established when across-the-board legalization eventually comes around.
asciilifeform: but the facts are, well... factual.
ThickAsThieves: from that Ebay vid: ""You can use digital currencies in the paypal digital wallet, that's in fact what PayPal is doing is building a digital wallet that can take multiple types of currencies." - John Donahue, CEO of eBay."
xeroblaze0: another gox announcement
jcpham: over 9000 by then
the20year2: ANyone have any short term estimates on BTC price, like for the week?
ozbot: EBay, PayPal Most Successful Together, Donahoe Says: Video - Bloomberg
CiPi: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/ebay-paypal-most-successful-together-donahoe-says-M8oKQ3F5Q3SBdIrbWSnzcw.html
ThickAsThieves: "thecoder behind Namecoin-QT and main dev of Huntercoin has passed away suddenly, aged 27 from a stroke"
mircea_popescu: maybe one in ten has the sense (or really, the looks) to actually do something worthwhile with her time.
ThickAsThieves: "Herbalife Ltd. reported fourth-quarter profits ... that exceeded analysts’ expectations. The results marked the 20th straight quarter the nutritional supplement maker’s profit figures have exceeded Wall Street’s estimates" ...this world...
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes, but i enjoy how clearly it's laid out there
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves gotta make fiddy bux somehow. to buy al lthe memes
jurov: just watch the orchestra video
mircea_popescu: The program accepts 16-18 year old male and female high school dropouts who are drug-free and not in trouble with the law.
mircea_popescu: The stated mission of the Youth Challenge Program is "to intervene in and reclaim the lives of at-risk youth to produce program graduates with the values, skills, education and self-discipline necessary to succeed as adults."
mircea_popescu: why so mean. so the guy likes his plugs warm.
jurov: i'd recommend it to acsiilifeform, too but no rectothermals are involved
mircea_popescu: "I agree with his final point. We've done the technical approach. It was a good effort, but if the theorising (I'm assuming that a lot of this is theorising?) is true, we can't build our way out of this problem. We have to shut down organisations and programmes like this by bringing them to the light of day, and the only approach to that is political."
jurov: how NSA leveraged failed startups tards and the like
Jere_Jones: Being realistic, he was 18 at the time so he's past 30 now.
Jere_Jones: Damn. Being generous would put him at 14 at the time. That would make him 27-ish now?
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones the ged was in 2001.
Jere_Jones: KFC and construction. Ah... the days of no responsibilities. Just touching breasts, thighs and legs...
ThickAsThieves: this is my tard, there are many tards like it, but this one is mine
Jere_Jones: I think I may be a tard. I am certain that I was a tard. I don't want to be a tard in the future.
mircea_popescu: everyone ends up in the same place anyway.
Jere_Jones: By recognizing that one is a tard? Isn't that the first step to nontardism?
mircea_popescu: i mean i don't mind telling people what to do, but i'm kind-of partial to telling them to do that which can be done.
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu Maybe add a part at the end of your latest post about not being a tard. "Steer clear of all tards. Don't be a tard. That is all."
mircea_popescu:
such as the bomb.
jurov: have you seen the recent slovak film about her?
pankkake: hahaha I love the last one
mircea_popescu: Petrina Ypsilanti the 3rd
mircea_popescu: he could at least have gone the whole distance and made he names funny.
davout: nicknock: it's in the contract
nicknock: how are the mpex fiat futures settled?
nicknock: heh, if i'd have the stash to "fuck with" it, i'd likely have lost it already
nicknock: mp :) i'd like to place some leveraged bets on the goxbtc / goxusd rate.
ThickAsThieves: "fuck with" in the hiphop sense
ThickAsThieves: the bitcoin software."
ThickAsThieves: Asked why the company hadn't addressed customers' concern sooner, Mr. Karpelès responded in an email interview with The Wall Street Journal on Monday: "I assume you refer to the malleability issue. We sincerely apologize for this incident; however, please understand that we are NOT the developers of Bitcoin." He added, "We are very surprised that anyone could fault MtGox instead of
mircea_popescu: their power combined ~=> engine
davout: it's the "no-seriously-i-mean-it" PHP equality operator
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones omg noob. ~= is an operator and === is another operator.
mircea_popescu: fellow americans : is "Youth Challenge Program" some special for-tards thing over there ?
Jere_Jones: Their order matching engine must be completely whack.
Apocalyptic: <Devianttwo> which it looks like they are...
Apocalyptic: well, one of them
mircea_popescu: r and I then moved on to work for the Census (US Goverment) for about 1 month. Once I finished with that; I worked as a call agent from home which included taking orders for multiple different companies. I also helped run a company called FragCorner.net which was a game server hosting company for 5 years. I believe that my exceptional customer service record is one of my key qualities that I can bring to you're store.
mircea_popescu: I am applying to be a full-time employee at this location. Before moving to Lake City, FL; I worked as a cashier and many jobs in Ocean Springs, MS. This includes 2 years at KFC/Long John Silver as there head cashier. After moving here to Lake City, FL I worked as a DirecTV Technical Support agent at Sitel. I worked there for about a year before moving on to Walmart in Lake City, FL. I worked at Walmart for about a yea
mircea_popescu: and so are having a meltdown in their own chan
mircea_popescu: but srsly nao : the guy that made a lolexchange which only matches exact price
mircea_popescu: anyway kakobrekla you just don't understand the range of my interests!
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: so im currently tryign to buy facebook followers from the cryptotard in his irc channel
mircea_popescu: this dude either is usagi
mircea_popescu: we know it to be so because his homepage has an irc which also embeds webirc the same way
ozbot: Linkandzelda's Projects | The Home Of Everything I Do
mircea_popescu: Wallets are stored separate from the site, we backup often. We built from the ground up with security in mind
mircea_popescu: The trade engine will trade only with orders that match your desired trade rate. This means that if you submit an order with a rate of .10, it will only match with other orders with a rate of .10, not .12 or .08. There is no dynamic rate calculation present right now in the Crypto Rush trade engine.
mircea_popescu: o the same one hehe
mircea_popescu: "At present we experience difficulties with the e-mail server. The pool is transferred to a mode of service and will be postponed for other hosting."
Apocalyptic: mircea, yeah it's the new trend, everyone got to make one
ThickAsThieves: no one takes me up on them anyway
ThickAsThieves: maybe i'll go in there waiving bounties around
ThickAsThieves: they wanna be pitched
mircea_popescu: otherwise ... he can sit at home and solo mine every coin himself. "
mircea_popescu: which ill add without us miners the coin is nothing ... devs need to sell us, show us its worth out hardware, time, n electric
mircea_popescu: " tells you everything about the dev who I will guess could care less about how is coin appears to us miners.
mircea_popescu: you're the HJO.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves basically your role in the atc ecosystem is to be hijacked
ThickAsThieves: can you electrolysis the face?
mircea_popescu: dude, everyone i know *in that way* is shaved down there.
mircea_popescu: "Starting at 11, her polycystic ovary syndrome made her hair growth really dramatic, the Huffington Post reports. She tried shaving, bleaching, waxing twice a week but nothing quite worked. In school, she was bullied, called names like "beardo" and "she-male," because people seem to think it's okay to act like a complete fucking monster."
mircea_popescu: is jezebel the dyke site ?
ozbot: Meet the Woman Who Straight-Up Rocks a Beard
ThickAsThieves: http://jezebel.com/meet-the-woman-who-straight-up-rocks-a-beard-1525265585?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
mircea_popescu: anyway, no, the lawsky fellow is still wallowing in his own irrelevance.
ThickAsThieves: "Andreas discusses the value of decentralization IN ALL THINGS." oh noes
mircea_popescu: you'll be the poverty of me.
ozbot: Yes, it's official, Ben Lawsky has agreed to the Reddit AMA : Bitcoin
deadweasel: they are still happy
KRS-One: deadweasel: The important thing is that she was happy. As long as our parents are happy right?
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1y9mnx/yes_its_official_ben_lawsky_has_agreed_to_the/
deadweasel: my mom had a tennis coach for a while, pretty sure they were fucking
KRS-One: As long as he keeps the bushes trimmed =D
mircea_popescu: KRS-One ask the wife ? :D
deadweasel: because yards don't clip themselves
KRS-One: mircea_popescu: there sure isnt any I.T. here in Florida..I've got to get my ass to California at some point.
ThickAsThieves: so the US residents active in this channel are majority floridian? that can't be
deadweasel: KRS-One: The gulf is a cesspool, yes. but it's MY cesspool ^_^
mircea_popescu: obv the sum total would just be w/e modulo maxint
mircea_popescu: for the people who actually understand graphs and math shit like that, herbi, cads, etc :
KRS-One: I've been to Tampa, party town. Girls were nuts there.
KRS-One: There is Del Rey Beach
ThickAsThieves: Leisure Under the Table
mircea_popescu: s.bit doesn't have the same bite to it.
mircea_popescu: where the sluts live ? intl capital of sluttery ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake isn't that where the s lol
KRS-One: deadweasel: the doctors were giving out big time prescriptions and billing insurance for medical services. Typical caselod was probably 150%-200% of what it should have been without the unnecessary prescriptions.
pankkake: what's the relation with paris?
ThickAsThieves: all these people putting god knows what into themselves with offbrand ecig flavorings
mircea_popescu: and home of the dea.
KRS-One: florida was ground zero for the 'pill mill' thing where addicts went dr. shopping for any dr. who would prescribe pain killers then they'd resell them
KRS-One: aint that the truth
deadweasel: Florida, home of the DEA.
kakobrekla: s.pot will make the grounds for s.laughing
ThickAsThieves: either way, i'd invest
ThickAsThieves: i'm a supporter of legalization, but i think we're barely getting medical for cancer patients on the ballot this year
mircea_popescu: they never actually managed to collect
mircea_popescu: i tried to give them a domain for free back in 2012
ThickAsThieves: Safello, the Geek Tradegy
mircea_popescu: eh they suck at naming things what can i say.
ThickAsThieves: like Othello, but Safe?
mircea_popescu: i really enjoy reading teh forums these days.
mircea_popescu: Aside from the amount invested, this investment round is also notable for the number of investors involved. The firm lists 15 in its statement announcing the deal, which would mean an average of $40,000 each (although the investment is likely to be unevenly spread).
mircea_popescu: Safello, which also saw Blockchain.info CEO Nicolas Cary invest, is currently revamping its website, and promises a range of new services in the coming months.
mircea_popescu: Swedish bitcoin exchange Safello has secured a $600,000 investment that it hopes will push it into the wider European market. The exchange, which launched its service last August, can now count bitcoin luminaries Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver among its investors.
mircea_popescu: dt discussing the safello thing with gweedo, who thinks he is an investor.
mircea_popescu: never before has a whole culture been so thoroughly discriminated against by the forces of reality.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, by the time you manage to brush off all the idiocy you're 50 and ready to retire.
mircea_popescu: it's this incredible brainrot people in the us and over 30 have to fight with.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow dt magically doesn't understand what (one of) the appeal of mpex is.
mircea_popescu: ore time spent on the business."
mircea_popescu: "Having just gone through this from the other side of the fence I thought I would share some perspective. The reality is no successful startup founder wants hundreds or thousands of investors. Contrary to the silly games you see on "crypto exchanges" with startups issuing billions of shares to thousands of investors no founder wants that. Less is better when it comes to investors because it means less overhead and m
deadweasel: before the mustard is even mixed!
mircea_popescu: or bedding them
ThickAsThieves: or sating them at least
ThickAsThieves: lol the coelho is spreading!
mircea_popescu: with the selzer-salsa.
mircea_popescu: then you'll have to have 500 mixed bottles and people will argue over which was used.
Jere_Jones: You can already buy peanut butter and jelly mixed together.
Jere_Jones: It would speed up the hot dog line.
mircea_popescu: "hei guise, wouldn't it be cool if ketchup and mustard came in the same bottle ?"
mircea_popescu: his point re paralysis remains unscathed.
ThickAsThieves: “There is only one thing that makes a dream impossible to achieve: the fear of failure.”
deadweasel: i see what you did there, ThickAsThieves, and I agree.
mircea_popescu: do fail in such a manner as to advance the common truths
Jere_Jones: If I believe that I am incompetent, I won't act until I believe that I am, at least minimally, competent. Always thinking that I am totally incompetent would lead to paralysis. At some point I have to open up the editor and lay code down or I am useless.
mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform since oyu liked eminescu, here : http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/fulger.php afaik the best elegy in all poetry of THE WORLD
ThickAsThieves: the rest is being a chaotic pool of particles
deadweasel: so... like, was that it, or is there something after dead?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves never quote me on this or i'll kill you, but, the only reason this hjolds true is because us nuttery about "encouraging" people and so on and so forth. in other cultures the opposite holds true.
deadweasel: then, when you act, and fail, you'll be well ready to know exactly where and how you failed.
ThickAsThieves: maybe fruitful is the wrong word
deadweasel: then it's still best.
mircea_popescu: welcome to the splendid world of thought.
deadweasel: Jere_Jones: it's best to always think you're totally incompetent, until you are the expert in a field.
bones`: Jere_Jones, reducing the number of unknown unknowns is a good thing, but takes time
mircea_popescu: deadweasel quotation marks to be supplied by the parser.
deadweasel: Jere_Jones: you're doing it right then